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#31
GAA Discussion / Re: Donegal v Dublin AISF 31st Aug 2014
September 01, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
Yesterday was a great day for Gaelic football. Donegal were superb. I seen Ryan McHugh during comórtas peile na Gaeltachta and he was unstoppable, he was the same yesterday. Hopefully lads will stop complaining about Donegals style of football now. You're allowed to defend in Gaelic football, it's not against the rules and Donegals defending was outstanding. Their counter attacks were great to watch aswell, the speed of them was something else. Kerry v Donegal should be a great final, one we can all enjoy with two teams there on merit and competing fairly.

As for Dubl$n, the embarrassment for them is huge. Millions upon millions upon millions of resources have gone into their team, aig on board this year, all the players with their free cars and fuel, time off work, every championship game at home, they even had their own personal ref with them and they got destroyed by little, oul Donegal.  ;D Everything was laid out on a plate for them to win this All Ireland and they couldn't do it. It really is embarrassing but it's great for everyone that likes to see teams competing fairly win and the financial dopers lose.
#32
And straight away:

#33
Kerry were the better team overall and deserved their win, the ref made some dodgy decisions against both sides, will the Gooch be ready for a cameo in the final? Overall a cracking game with great performances from some players on both sides but especially Donaghy and Moran for Kerry.
#34
1. It may seem like I'm repeating myself over and over again but that's because the same excuses and deflection has been repeated over and over again by the Dubs.

2. I provide figures, stats and some wonderful looking tables to back up my case that Dubl$n have been bought success, the Dubs only reply is to say no they haven't, deflect and then do similar to what we see in Armaghniacs picture.

3. You can ignore me all you want here and you can ignore everyone else saying similar things to me elsewhere but the issue wont go away. More and more people are becoming aware of the extent of the financial doping the Dubs have partaken in over the last decade. The game is up!

4. I wouldn't take any money off any of them Laoislad, you wouldn't know where it was taken from or what was sniffed with it.
#35
Ah the usual excuses and whataboutery all over the last page, this time including a whole article full of it.  ;D What did we have? Other teams have built a centre of excellence for themselves, Kilkenny dominate hurling, why not split them? When Kerry dominated why weren't they split? The answer to these questions is simple.

None of these counties received millions upon millions of euro from GAA and public funds for almost a decade. The amount of All Irelands Dubl$n win is irrelevant. They have won 26 titles since 2009 however, which proves what money can buy. If the money has nothing to do with Dubl$ns success then why have they kicked up such a fuss about a suggestion to cut it?

The Dubs are very touchy about the whole funding subject, you're seeing more and more articles trying to defend it and their county board getting rattled. Why is this? Well it's very simple, it's either continue to deflect and make a load of excuses or they'll have to accept the reality. The reality is that they wouldn't have success without the tons of money flowing into their structures for a decade.

In fairness it is very difficult to face that sort of truth. It'll mean having to admit every title they've won for the last few years was done unfairly. That all the titles they've amassed were hollow victories, titles they've been bought not won. They'll have to come to terms with it though, the facts can't be denied.
#36
Admiring the current Dubs squad is similar to admiring Lance Armstrong at his best. Yes they're good, yes they're almost unbeatable but take away the doping (financial in Dubl$ns case) and they'd be just about competitive at the top level.
#37
Quote from: seafoid on August 27, 2014, 07:55:18 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-to-resist-any-cuts-to-central-gaa-funding-1.1908845

Dublin will be resisting any reduction in their central GAA funding for next year, claiming they're being penalised for their own success while other counties are already benefitting from the lucrative gate receipts they create.

County chairman Andy Kettle has confirmed that Dublin's funding allocation for 2015 is under review, and that they're the only county with a proposed cut: they're facing a reduced allocation in coaching and games development, while Fingal will no longer be recognised for their share of national hurling league funds.

"Last Friday week, a document was released to counties, indicating what funds were going to come to any particular county, like the GAA do every year," said Kettle. "We didn't get an awful lot of time to study the document, but our county secretary (John Costello) highlighted the fact that Dublin were the only county that had a potential cut.

"First of all it would be eating into our coaching and games development. And the system we have up and running at the moment, Dublin doesn't make a huge amount. If you look at Dublin accounts for the last number of years, it's barely breaking even. It's not as if we're building a war chest. So taking any funds from it will affect our bottom line.

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As usual the great Dont Matter is bang on the money. <-- Pun             Here's a recent quote:

Quote from: Dont Matter on August 12, 2014, 10:49:09 AM
the Dubs feel entitled to this money. If there's any talk of withdrawing the funds you'll here great stink coming out of them. They go on about saying the money isn't what has brought success but wait for the uproar when someone even suggests to take it away.

Look at this line from Kettle "Now it seems they can take a little bit off that, and give it to somebody else, which I don't accept." They actually think it's their money, that no one else should get any of it.
The sense of entitlement is unbelievable, he even brought up Dubl$n being treated like a Province on their own again, he feels it's outrageous that this has happened and now the GAA are "picking at the bit we have."  ;D
Yes the big, bad GAA are considering cutting back the "bit" of money that Dubl$n have, the money they received from......................the GAA!!!! Plus money taken from ordinary citizens who've nothing to do with the GAA.

The monster has been created and it's a greedy monster. We must destroy it before it destroys us.
#38
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on August 26, 2014, 12:49:50 PM
Headline in today's Indo.

"Would this happen to Dublin? Fans react to decision to play Mayo-Kerry replay in Limerick"

What on earth has Dublin to do with this argument? More sloppy journalism – particularly since the article below the headline goes on to point out that the last time a semi-final was played outside of Croke Park Dublin were involved!

Priceless.

Dubl$n haven't played outside Croke Park in any championship match since 2006, Mayo and Kerry have to play an All Ireland semi final outside Croke Park. It's crazy.
#39
Mayo and Kerry have to go to Limerick, if it was Mayo v Donegal in the same situation they wouldn't be playing in Croke Park either. It would be the same if it was Kerry v Donegal but if it was any of those teams v Dubl$n there'd be zero chance they'd be playing anywhere else but Croke Park.
The boys in HQ have once again proven that money is far more important to them than the needs and wants of ordinary GAA men and women.
#40
Quote from: Johnnybegood on August 12, 2014, 12:09:49 PM
do Dublin own croke park?

They haven't played a championship football game away from Croke Park since 2006, all league home games played there, they get to choose their dressing room, which side of the pitch they warm up on, get to train there when others are not allowed, as J70 says they get a whole section of the stadium for their fans only.
#41
Quote from: Zulu on August 12, 2014, 11:54:17 AM
I'm not talking about facilities either. Cork had in the region of €10 million in the bank some of which they could have used to fund more GDA's yet they've decided to use it all on a stadium instead. That's a choice Cork have made but the money was there.

Of course investment in Dublin is about a return and so it should be, no point pissing money away on anybody. If other counties get a plan together, show why they need they money then it is there for them. But they also need to provide a return on this investment which is only right and proper.

Errr no, but by giving everyone the same you'll end up helping few if anyone. The idea is not to leave anyone behind but to build up everyone in stages. There has to be a plan when investing millions of euros otherwise their is no acceptability, no way of ensuring the money is being well spent and no way of tracking improvements. Why the hell would anyone argue that it's better to give both county A and B €100,000 each if it is quite clear county A use this money well while county B are pissing it away? Would it not make more sense to give more to the county using it well and providing a return on the investment and giving less to county B while telling them if you get your act together you'll get the money back?

Stadiums like Corks have to be done. It's not just GDA's that have Dubl$n where they are.

The aim should be to improve all counties equally, give everyone a fair chance to compete. A strategic programme manager and team should be appointed to every county. They formalise a plan and assess what's needed for the county they're assigned to. They go back to HQ with the report and the cost of implementing it. Obviously some counties will need more money and some less.
This way you'll have accountability, everyone will know where the money is going so it wont and can't be wasted, every county will have proper structures in place to produce talent and increase playing numbers in Gaelic Games and most of all it's FAIR for every county.
#42
Quote from: Zulu on August 12, 2014, 11:13:16 AM
Utter nonsense. Cork have 5 GDA's the last I heard (covering both football and hurling), yet have millions to pump into P Ui C. They might have more GDA's now but it certainly isn't enough to properly cater for Cork and the county board and some of their clubs have the money to address that if they wanted to. Other counties can afford and can apply for funding to get more GDA's if they want and put a plan in place to do so.

By the way, if Dublin can now afford to take on more of the financial burden and reduce Central council funding then of course they should do that. My view has always been that the GAA should help all counties maximise their potential but you can't do that by giving everyone the same amount. You target certain counties for particular attention and once they get to where Dublin is you move on. Most counties wouldn't need the same level of funding Dublin get to maximise their potential because they don't have to reach as big a population.

We're not talking about facilities, Cork are getting assistance for Páirc Uí Chaoimh just as Dubl$n got assistance for their home stadium Croke Park. Where will all the other counties get the money for these games development officers? How will they pay all the coaches? Does the GAA have money to cover everyone? Will ordinary citizens be happy to pay for these plans? The money isn't there, the GAA invest in Dubl$n because they get a return on the investment. It's a business move.

Your suggestion in the second paragraph is crazy. You want to improve certain counties but leave the rest behind, what are they meant to do? Just sit and watch other counties get special funding and see Gaelic Games destroyed in their county. Joke.
#43
A very good article there posted by the lily.

Biffo, the Dubs feel entitled to this money. If there's any talk of withdrawing the funds you'll here great stink coming out of them. They go on about saying the money isn't what has brought success but wait for the uproar when someone even suggests to take it away.

The commercial deals have increased hugely due to the success of their senior teams, their senior teams have gained success due to the money provided by every citizen in Ireland. Basically aig wouldn't have come in without our money.

The damage is done, the Dubs took the money and deep down they knew this day would come. They may enjoy their success now before the split takes place, the split is the only option. The only alternative to that is to let one county dominate for years, it would kill Gaelic Games.
#44
Quote from: Zulu on August 12, 2014, 03:14:18 AM
It isn't as simple as that. Dublin, due to its size, needs more money than Laois to just do the same things. There is no reason why many counties can't replicate a lot of what Dublin do at lower levels at least and that will go a long way towards producing better players at senior level.

Talking nonsense again. Strategic development officers, regional development officers, hurling development officers etc would cost the same amount in any county. It's just that only one county has the money to pay them and they get the money for that off all of us. How can anyone justify this? Ordinary citizens money is being pumped into one county alone while every other county is living off scraps. That's why no other county would be able to come close to replicating what Dubl$n do at lower levels. It IS as simple as that. Money buys success.
#45
Quote from: The Aristocrat on August 11, 2014, 11:33:53 PM
Yes we know we've been bought success but we don't care.

That's basically what you're saying.