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What was the original thinking in moving it to the summer and what has changed?

The main point in the "why can't it work at county level when it works at club level" question, is one of culture.

The club championship has always been tiered and anyone growing up and coming into an adult club team is aware of this.

The intercounty championship has always been one tier and the same perception would apply.

Of course in 20, 30 or 40 years time we could look back and wonder how come we didn't have a tiered championship back in the 20th century. It made such sense

But in order for people to buy into a new culture, you need to listen to them and take on board what they want.

This proposal has ignored what the players' union has said. They specifically said that they wanted more meaningful games in the summer. Half of the teams in Tier 2 will still play two games. Another four will play just three.

This is very likely to fail when it needn't have.

It should be called the John Horan Cup. I think everyone, on both sides of the debate, would be happy with that.

Good effort Seanie, but your points are fairly easily challenged I feel. It gives I'd say less than half the teams a chance of a national championship. Half of those affected voted against it.

Thinking that it will evolve into extra games is hardly relevant. It certainly won't evolve in the next three years so half of those teams will still get only two games.

There were any amount of alternatives that had more merit than what we've ended up with. And that's before we get into the rush to get it through, the two player unions being against it and the fixture review committee being in the middle of their work.

Honestly don't understand the outcry at the introduction of a tier 2 competition. I can only think it's a lack of understanding of the proposal. When this poll was opened up I voted "undecided". After considering the actual proposals when they arrived I was in favour. And here's why:

1. Every county is still in the Tier 1 championship at the start of the year. If you make your provincial final, you continue on the road for Sam Maguire. Fermanagh and Laois were part of this "elite" group last year (2018). Clare/Tipp or Waterford will be in 2020.
2. Current Division 3 counties can get promoted next spring and "avoid" the tier 2 competition. The "reward" if they fail to win their province is a qualifier in a competition simply they cannot win.
3. The priority for any Division 4 county aiming to progress MUST be getting promoted out of Division 4. Why is it better for them to get a qualifier in a competition they cannot win than a game (or 2 or 3) in a championship they could do well in? I don't see that logic.
4. The winner of this competition is guaranteed to be in the Tier 1 championship the following season. A good incentive and opportunity to build on their success.

So the pathways to advance are there on several fronts. There's no reason why couties should be cut adrift forever. Here are the current Division 3 and 4 counties with their last provincial final appearance in brackets: Cork (2019), Derry (2011), Down (2017), Leitrim (2000), Longford (1968), Louth (2010), Offaly (2006), Tipperary (2016).  Antrim (2009), Carlow (1944), Limerick (2010), London (2013) , Sligo (2015), Waterford (1960), Wexford (2011), Wicklow (1897). 12 of the 16 have made a provincial final since the turn of the millenium. Several have been in Division 2 and higher in recent times.

I would share concerns about promotion etc but what coverage do these counties get in their current qualifier games, unless they draw a big gun?

Seanie, what issues do the introduction of the Tier 2 competition address and improve? Who benefits from this and in what way?

The Gaaboarders are a strange crew
Then again those in favour have no need to comment as their option won.

It was a very broad question and I don't think anyone would've envisaged what we got.

But "there's no pleasing some people" is a grand sweeping statement.

Does this mean the qualifiers can't begin until after the all the provincial semi finals are completed ? YES.
Could a team be waiting for over 6 weeks for a qualifier if they are in the top 2 divisions and get knocked out in a premilarily round game like the losers of the Donegal v Tyrone game in Ulster next year ? YES.

As far as I'm aware there will be a Prelim Round if needed weekend * 23 June.
Round 1 weekend * 30 June
Round 2 weekend* 7 July.

*Can't be bothered to check exact dates

I see it mentions byes if there are less than 16 teams. So if there's 15 teams there's a bye but if there's 14 there's two byes?

Also, when the Super 8s were introduced the championship was condensed with the view of facilitating club games for those teams knocked out. Now, as Ferm Gael, has pointed out, either Monaghan or Cavan will be sitting around as they used to do before the Super 8s.

Talk about making it up as you go along.

How do the qualifiers work now ?
I assume they are basically capped to 8 teams because the powers that be are assuming there will be 8 division 1 or 2 teams in the 4 provincial finals.
Does this mean the qualifiers can't begin until after the all the provincial semi finals are completed ?
Could a team be waiting for over 6 weeks for a qualifier if they are in the top 2 divisions and get knocked out in a premilarily round game like the losers of the Donegal v Tyrone game in Ulster next year ?

Good question and there are many more besides. 

Has it been thought through?

"What would you suggest" has nothing to do with what's been done, but for a start they could've waited for the fixtures review committee to finish their work. They could have listened to what the players from the lower divisions were saying through the GPA. The only relevant question at this stage is why they were in such a rush?

Half have a chance so?
In Tier 1 only 1 eighth or 1 sixteenth have a chance

In Tier one virtually no chance, in this set up very little chance.

Anything at all at all else?

Also have we any idea how both championships would work if one or more teams end up in the big boys' competition?

I'm awful confused. Can someone tell me what the perceived merits of this are? To save time, the one I've heard is to give teams a chance to enter a competition they can win. I'd say that doesn't realistically apply to about half the teams entering so let's forget that one.

Anything else?

Fair play to him for ringing Michael Lyster on the morning of the game 
A true gael and son of Derry.

Would the republic want to qualify?

Could there be another reason they entered the competition?

So a student socialising 3 nights a week is spending £120-180 a week to fund a recreational drug habit. Christ.

Students are socialising three nights a week?

Why are the draws not all being done on the one day like every other year?