https://www.independent.ie/sport/ryle-nugent-announces-departure-from-rte-after-24-years-with-broadcaster-36644387.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/ryle-nugent-announces-departure-from-rte-after-24-years-with-broadcaster-36644387.html)
How will he be remembered from the GAA perspective?
I will mostly remember him as the RTE Head of Sport who lost all the sport.
He will be replaced internally.
Would Darragh Maloney be in the running?
Good riddance
Great. Might see some positive changes now GAA wise on the box next year.
It's a sad day for women's rugby.
U can't say he'd no interest in gaa. Made the phone call from upstairs for panel to change motm decision in 2015 after they selected Philly McMahon but uproar on social media about eye gouge of donaghmore
From a GAA perspective he's no loss at all, we'll see what the next person in will bring.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on February 26, 2018, 05:17:07 PM
From a GAA perspective he's no loss at all, we'll see what the next person in will bring.
LOI soccer, boxing, motorsport and basketball all suffered under him too.
I for one am happy he's gone. Whether or not the next fella will have the budget to bring in more sports is another thing.
Would it not be fair to say that RTE lost all of these sporting rights because of budget cuts? Surely RN would gladly have spent the full budget on retaining the 6 nations if it would have worked?
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 26, 2018, 05:35:29 PM
Would it not be fair to say that RTE lost all of these sporting rights because of budget cuts? Surely RN would gladly have spent the full budget on retaining the 6 nations if it would have worked?
Thats my thinking, TG4 do a great job on the league and id hate to see rte getting it just from a sense of sharing the coverage around. RTE have good coverage of the championship, how would people like to see them improve on what we already have? the only thing I can really think of at the minute is id like to see a Monday night highlights show where they show extensive highlights of the action with less "analysis" from all the games theyve footage from. Could maybe do a video or audio podcast type show where they can discuss the games in detail or a radio show
Was Nugent that interesting that this topic needs two threads? http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28486.0
Yes.
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 26, 2018, 05:35:29 PM
Would it not be fair to say that RTE lost all of these sporting rights because of budget cuts? Surely RN would gladly have spent the full budget on retaining the 6 nations if it would have worked?
Undoubtably. RTE actually pretty much lost all their rugby under him as well.
Ryle was a favourite football for lads to kick on here. I never had much issue with him, an obvious rugby centric individual but very few else would have tackled the 3 stooges on TSG. Their inane ramblings are box office gold for joe public.
Under Ryle Nugent Meath became a shadow of its former self. Even women have no fear of Meath now.
The Nugent years also saw brutal tankings of the soul of Irish sport, the Republic of Oireland soccer team.
Quote from: seafoid on February 26, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
Under Ryle Nugent Meath became a shadow of its former self. Even women have no fear of Meath now.
The Nugent years also saw brutal tankings of the soul of Irish sport, the Republic of Oireland soccer team.
That's sexist.
Even Louth shouldn't fear Meath .
I don't see what Ryle did to the GAA, at least nowhere close to what he did to rugby commentary.
RTE with only 2 channels is not equipped to provide a GAA broadcast service that the public demand. RTE have a mandate to the general public and have to spread around resources to different sports.
Like many people I like the diversity with GAA broadcasts. We are seeing more league matches broadcast in their entirety, TG4's excellent quality economy of scale broadcasts, plus eirsport Saturday nights under lights. The schedule of broadcasts can only increase in years to come. The standard of league football is competitive and compelling, the attendances and atmosphere are very good.
And Monaghan are still in div one, thank you Ryle.
Ah but what about Eugene McGee's mate who can't see any Leitrim NFL games on TV?
All i can say is, I admire Leitrim man's desire to follow his county in a visual manner, no matter how low the standard the county is competing at and without success. We can't put that on Ryle can we?
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2018, 12:01:41 AM
All i can say is, I admire Leitrim man's desire to follow his county in a visual manner, no matter how low the standard the county is competing at and without success. We can't put that on Ryle can we?
No that is Sky and their paywall's fault.
How many Leitrim games were shown live on
1 -RTÉ or other free to air Channels
2 -Sky or eirsport.
I would have no problem with any of that, but the reason the SKY deal exists is because RTE couldn't be trusted to pay the GAA what the games are worth. Selling games packages is a bit like selling a house - it is only worth what two competing bidders are prepared to pay. Until Sky entered the arena as serious contenders, RTE were their usual stagnant, complacent selves and they have upped their price and the quality of their coverage significantly since SKY came in. However, there is still a bad memory in the GAA of when RTE were the only player in town, and the GAA actually had to PAY RTE for the right to show the four games they used to show every year. Therefore, the GAA will not take any lessons from current RTE pundits who are complaining that there is a paywall for some games. The only reason that SKY is in the field is because RTE would not properly show the games, or pay the money they were worth. If you want a good up to date version of that story, just look at League Sunday - a rehash of games already shown by TG4 and Eir, no coverage of any other game, apart from a couple of cameras at the other 2 Div. 1 games, a bit of studio analysis and commentators who don't even go to the games, but do them from RTE. If they were serious about it, RTE would have 1 - Bid against Eir for the Saturday night package, but they didn't and 2 - Show how serious they are by sending a proper OB outfit to the 2 games on a Sunday not covered by TG4 and do a major fifteen minute segment on them, complete with analysis. But they don't... Goodbye Ryle.
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 11:46:45 AM
I would have no problem with any of that, but the reason the SKY deal exists is because RTE couldn't be trusted to pay the GAA what the games are worth. Selling games packages is a bit like selling a house - it is only worth what two competing bidders are prepared to pay. Until Sky entered the arena as serious contenders, RTE were their usual stagnant, complacent selves and they have upped their price and the quality of their coverage significantly since SKY came in. However, there is still a bad memory in the GAA of when RTE were the only player in town, and the GAA actually had to PAY RTE for the right to show the four games they used to show every year. Therefore, the GAA will not take any lessons from current RTE pundits who are complaining that there is a paywall for some games. The only reason that SKY is in the field is because RTE would not properly show the games, or pay the money they were worth. If you want a good up to date version of that story, just look at League Sunday - a rehash of games already shown by TG4 and Eir, no coverage of any other game, apart from a couple of cameras at the other 2 Div. 1 games, a bit of studio analysis and commentators who don't even go to the games, but do them from RTE. If they were serious about it, RTE would have 1 - Bid against Eir for the Saturday night package, but they didn't and 2 - Show how serious they are by sending a proper OB outfit to the 2 games on a Sunday not covered by TG4 and do a major fifteen minute segment on them, complete with analysis. But they don't... Goodbye Ryle.
Well put and largely what I think myself. And the argument about the ould guys who can't see the games is moot as there were very few games on TV up until recently. Easytiger might disagree with the points about sending OB units to other matches but I'm sure there's money wasted in RTE that could be better spent on things like this. RTE are reaping what they sowed and to be fair to Ryle the rot was in a long time before he took over.
If the TV rights were up for grabs this year, how much more would RTE be willing and able to pay given that they have lost the rugby and soccer?
Or, is it not that simple i.e. that money is gone or has been diverted elsewhere.
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 11:46:45 AM
I would have no problem with any of that, but the reason the SKY deal exists is because RTE couldn't be trusted to pay the GAA what the games are worth. Selling games packages is a bit like selling a house - it is only worth what two competing bidders are prepared to pay. Until Sky entered the arena as serious contenders, RTE were their usual stagnant, complacent selves and they have upped their price and the quality of their coverage significantly since SKY came in. However, there is still a bad memory in the GAA of when RTE were the only player in town, and the GAA actually had to PAY RTE for the right to show the four games they used to show every year. Therefore, the GAA will not take any lessons from current RTE pundits who are complaining that there is a paywall for some games. The only reason that SKY is in the field is because RTE would not properly show the games, or pay the money they were worth. If you want a good up to date version of that story, just look at League Sunday - a rehash of games already shown by TG4 and Eir, no coverage of any other game, apart from a couple of cameras at the other 2 Div. 1 games, a bit of studio analysis and commentators who don't even go to the games, but do them from RTE. If they were serious about it, RTE would have 1 - Bid against Eir for the Saturday night package, but they didn't and 2 - Show how serious they are by sending a proper OB outfit to the 2 games on a Sunday not covered by TG4 and do a major fifteen minute segment on them, complete with analysis. But they don't... Goodbye Ryle.
For the first Sky deal there was no difference between what they offered and what TV3 offered. Also RTE's primary package they want to purchase is the main one they currently have and they know there isn't a chance the GAA will sell that to Sky due to the heat they are getting at the moment. The only credible opponents RTE have for the main package is TV3 at the moment, not Sky. Agree that Sky have forced RTE to up their game and they are still nowhere near serious enough about their offerings.
I think TV3 would have offered stiffer competition to RTE than Sky does currently. As it stands now, Sky viewership in Ireland is a piddle, a fraction of what TV3 garnered.
Competition had already been a factor before Sky entered the fray and seeing as they aped the TV3 model,
Irish residents have not seen that much quality benefit since.
When RTE face Sky head to head, just how many of the Irish viewer with a choice will still choose the rte broadcast?
As UK residents already had access (Premier Sports) to all 100 championship games broadcast for GBP10 /month, they now have to pay triple that to get the same service.
During Ryle's time, RTE's big gain was with their share of the streaming rights via the GAAGO service.
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
I think the days of sporting events , apart from finals on mainstream TV are pretty much dead.
the colonization by soccer weeknights on RTE 2/TV3 is ridiculous . 3 or 4 hours of pure shite from teams most would not cross the road to watch followed by hours of filler by grumpy auld bastards phoning it in and even then people complain the right match was not on.
its very unfair to license payers with no interest what so ever in sport and shaktar V Maribor in particular
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
TV3 is not export quality.
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
Think of all the quality programming they're missing out on.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 27, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
Not true. I can get it perfectly. Indeed over half the population of the north can get it. Also coverage is there in much of Belfast but there are some reception blackspots.
It's not available on the Sky platform ?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 27, 2018, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 27, 2018, 08:36:19 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 27, 2018, 08:24:02 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
Not true. I can get it perfectly. Indeed over half the population of the north can get it. Also coverage is there in much of Belfast but there are some reception blackspots.
It's not available on the Sky platform ?
Terrestrial only i.e. Saorview. Unless you can source yourself a southern Sky subscription.
I'm hit or miss with TV3 and indeed RTÉ from the South. Must be the atmospheric conditions.
RTÉ name Declan McBennett as Ryle Nugent's replacement as Head of Sport
https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/rt-name-declan-mcbennett-as-ryle-nugents-replacement-as-head-of-sport-36843735.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/rt-name-declan-mcbennett-as-ryle-nugents-replacement-as-head-of-sport-36843735.html)
Could to see a GAA man running the show for a change.
It might be no advantage.
It is possible that Ryle Nugent in wanting to be impartial was less inclined to bid heavily for rugby coverage.
Had he outbid TV3 for the 6 Nations, he'd have been accused of being D4 centric so-and-so.
McBennett will no doubt face similar accusations. If the Sunday Game panellists upgrade from tap water to Mi-wadi orange, it'll be because there's a pork-barrelling, gah head in charge of sport.
I sense most sports have a disgruntled fanbase when it comes to coverage. On League of Ireland forums, fans constantly fume over poor tv exposure. And that's despite all evidence pointing towards it having a small niche audience.
All that said, if he chops out some of the problematic Sunday Game pundits, he'd be making major inroads.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 26, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
It might be no advantage.
It is possible that Ryle Nugent in wanting to be impartial was less inclined to bid heavily for rugby coverage.
Had he outbid TV3 for the 6 Nations, he'd have been accused of being D4 centric so-and-so.
McBennett will no doubt face similar accusations. If the Sunday Game panellists upgrade from tap water to Mi-wadi orange, it'll be because there's a pork-barrelling, gah head in charge of sport.
I sense most sports have a disgruntled fanbase when it comes to coverage. On League of Ireland forums, fans constantly fume over poor tv exposure. And that's despite all evidence pointing towards it having a small niche audience.
All that said, if he chops out some of the problematic Sunday Game pundits, he'd be making major inroads.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/the-seasons-of-sundays-in-their-own-words-1.1476526
"And so it goes. From not being able to send two cameras to a game in the mid-'70s, 'The Sunday Game' now covers close to 100 games a year in some shape or form. The biggest complaint the staff hear is the same now as it was then.
PB: "Not enough coverage.
RTÉ never show our county."
ML: "Ye only show the big boys."
DC: "Ye're always anti-our county."
PB: "I can understand it in some ways.
"That's the way the media works, not just on The Sunday Game.
"It's the same in print, the same on radio – the big teams get the most coverage. There's very few counties in the country that we haven't shown live. We've done the Waterford footballers, the Tipperary footballers, Sligo, all of them."
DC: "It can be politically awkward because people take so much offence on behalf of their own county. I went to RTÉ from Kerry.
"The night before I came up for my interview, I was in a house with Mike Neeson who was the chairman of Dr Crokes at the time.
"And there were people making fun of what Anne Doyle said on the news or giving out about Michael Lyster said on The Sunday Game.
"And I remember thinking of that when I started on the show – that no matter how good you were or how even-handed you were, people were still going to take offence.
"They were still going to be annoyed. Kerry people would still think you were against them because you showed Tomás Ó Sé or Paul Galvin doing something they shouldn't have.
"Every county thinks you're against them"
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on April 26, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
It might be no advantage.
It is possible that Ryle Nugent in wanting to be impartial was less inclined to bid heavily for rugby coverage.
Had he outbid TV3 for the 6 Nations, he'd have been accused of being D4 centric so-and-so.
McBennett will no doubt face similar accusations. If the Sunday Game panellists upgrade from tap water to Mi-wadi orange, it'll be because there's a pork-barrelling, gah head in charge of sport.
I sense most sports have a disgruntled fanbase when it comes to coverage. On League of Ireland forums, fans constantly fume over poor tv exposure. And that's despite all evidence pointing towards it having a small niche audience.
All that said, if he chops out some of the problematic Sunday Game pundits, he'd be making major inroads.
I think that's a bit of a reach, to be fair.
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
Have no problem at all getting TV 3 in Mid Ulster and I like their TV AM morning show
People need to get off their backside and if their able and go and watch their favourite team ..... nothin' beat being there !!!!!!
Quote from: Real Talk on April 29, 2018, 08:11:52 PM
Quote from: Seany on February 27, 2018, 02:53:46 PM
Just one problem with TV3. Viewers in Ni cannot get that station, so Ireland's second city would not get to watch GAA games. Imagine the furore about that! Part of the GAA deal with BBC initially was that BBCNI would be able to get the games into areas not covered by RTE in the analogue days. Then, BBC did all the games, including the Ai and semi finals, regardless who was in it.
Have no problem at all getting TV 3 in Mid Ulster and I like their TV AM morning show
People need to get off their backside and if their able and go and watch their favourite team ..... nothin' beat being there !!!!!!
But what if their favourite team is knocked out early and they wanted to watch the remaining games?