I back Seanie 100% on this. An outside manager (maybe paid) has come into Cavan and excluded a proven young Cavan county player from representing his county. This is wrong and GAA rules should allow this young man to ply his trade where he is working or living , even with out changing clubs.
If it is challenged in the DRA, he might just win it.
I can think of a few other examples where this has happened--Roscommon--Frankie Dolan, Cavan --Dermot Mc Cabe are just a few.
No way. I don't for one minute believe that Seanie Johnston is living in Straffan and commuting each morning to teach in Cavan and is willing to continue playing with Cavan Gaels.. The rule is clear. He hasnt a hope.
let him transfer to a Kildare club and then he can line out for the Lilywhites.
Even if McGeeney wants him there is no way Kildare Co Board or Clubs will tolerate a non native coming in and taking a jersey off a Kildare man if he is not playing in the County.
Another inter county prima donna?
I am with Give and Go on this one.
Living in Straffan and teaching in Cavan ?. How long has he been doing this commute ?.
Should he not just get an "address" closer to Cavan and save him a lot of diesel, time and effort commuting ?.
Ply his trade?
Quote from: Give and Go on January 18, 2012, 12:24:22 PM
No way. I don't for one minute believe that Seanie Johnston is living in Straffan and commuting each morning to teach in Cavan and is willing to continue playing with Cavan Gaels.. The rule is clear. He hasnt a hope.
let him transfer to a Kildare club and then he can line out for the Lilywhites.
Even if McGeeney wants him there is no way Kildare Co Board or Clubs will tolerate a non native coming in and taking a jersey off a Kildare man if he is not playing in the County.
Another inter county prima donna?
I am usually in the minority here by taking a liberal view, but I think that the bold above is fair enough.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
What's the story here? He lives in Kildare and wants to play for Kildare but wants to remain with Cavan Gaels?
Can't do that. Dean O'Neill tried this last year for Antrim. Played a couple of games before it was confirmed that he wasn't allowed.
Lived in Antrim, wanted to play for Antrim but wanted to remain at Omagh St Endas.
I think the real issue hardstation is that he doesn't even really live in Kildare. He teaches in Cavan, so it would seem to be a strange commute and life decision for a fella to work in Cavan, play with Cavan, play with Cavan Gaels and still live in Straffan? Now I know women do strange things to you, but even if that's a factor, I think you'd be looking at changing club as well.
Even the way he said it in the newspaper report made me think someone was giving him digs for the purposes of being a resident, he said 'I am now a resident in Kildare'. I know it's semantics but it just read as if it were an awkward phrase, deliberately chosen.
Then heffo's post on the other thread puts a comical tin hat on that idea anyway.
Reading his peice yesterday he seemed to be saying its his right to play inter county football while he is still young and able. But he wants to continue to play with the Cavan Gaels and to do so they will have to take the case to the DRA so that he can transfer to Kildare but stay with his club.
How realistic is it that he is living in Kildare?? Seems far fetched. Why if he wants to continue to play Intercounty so much didn't he look to a neighbouring county - Fermanagh, Longford, Monaghan, Leitrim.
Quote from: Bingo on January 18, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
Reading his peice yesterday he seemed to be saying its his right to play inter county football while he is still young and able. But he wants to continue to play with the Cavan Gaels and to do so they will have to take the case to the DRA so that he can transfer to Kildare but stay with his club.
How realistic is it that he is living in Kildare?? Seems far fetched. Why if he wants to continue to play Intercounty so much didn't he look to a neighbouring county - Fermanagh, Longford, Monaghan, Leitrim.
I suspect that's a leading question. :D
As I said in the other thread, sure Offaly is closer to Cavan than Kildare is.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
What's the story here? He lives in Kildare and wants to play for Kildare but wants to remain with Cavan Gaels?
Can't do that. Dean O'Neill tried this last year for Antrim. Played a couple of games before it was confirmed that he wasn't allowed.
Lived in Antrim, wanted to play for Antrim but wanted to remain at Omagh St Endas.
I think the real issue hardstation is that he doesn't even really live in Kildare.
That's neither here nor there though. Unless he changes club, he can't play for another county.
Antrim could cream off all the best students in Ulster who are living/studying in Belfast?
True. You're coming at it from the rule that Johnston is appealing against. You're 100% correct.
I'm just saying that even his appeal seems to be on tenous grounds, at best.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
What's the story here? He lives in Kildare and wants to play for Kildare but wants to remain with Cavan Gaels?
Can't do that. Dean O'Neill tried this last year for Antrim. Played a couple of games before it was confirmed that he wasn't allowed.
Lived in Antrim, wanted to play for Antrim but wanted to remain at Omagh St Endas.
I think the real issue hardstation is that he doesn't even really live in Kildare.
Antrim could cream off all the best students in Ulster who are living/studying in Belfast?
No they couldn't! Students are not eligible for IC transfers for this very reason.
Quote from: Bingo on January 18, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
How realistic is it that he is living in Kildare?? Seems far fetched. Why if he wants to continue to play Intercounty so much didn't he look to a neighbouring county - Fermanagh, Longford, Monaghan, Leitrim.
Well I think we all know the answer to that one. They are not good enough in his eyes. Apart from maybe Monaghan and he wasn't going to move there coming from Cavan.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:10:55 PM
Ah, he's appealing that rule.
Can't see that working out for him.
His case with the DRA is a real test case - HQ will be pulling out the big guns on this one.
He needs to transfer to a Kildare club and I heard a rumour he was doing so, with Celbridge, but then you hear so many rumours.
Personally as a Kildare supporter I'd rather we stuck with our own, but if he lives in Kildare and plays with a Kildare club then what can you do - and lord knows we lost out badly ourselves in the past on Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy.
If he doesn't fulfill the above criteria, I'd be shocked if he gets a transfer.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 PM
He needs to transfer to a Kildare club and I heard a rumour he was doing so, with Celbridge, but then you hear so many rumours.
Personally as a Kildare supporter I'd rather we stuck with our own, but if he lives in Kildare and plays with a Kildare club then what can you do - and lord knows we lost out badly ourselves in the past on Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy.
If he doesn't fulfill the above criteria, I'd be shocked if he gets a transfer.
I'd agree, but I don't think ye can use the 'lord knows we lost out' in the past argument :) Lacey, O'Dwyer, Murphy ?
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?
I'd cut off my big toe before I'd pay to watch a Cavan man playing for us.
Come on flourbags, you're better than this.
He teaches in Cavan and he lives in Cavan. Some kind person gave him an address in Straffan to use while communicating with Croke Park. This he did without informing his club or county board. Is anyone stupid enough to believe he drives from Kildare to Cavan to work every day.
In my opinion he is a player with a lot of ability but with a serious attitude problem. He is one of 4 big names dropped of the panel for the McKenna cup and the only one in the media whinging about it. He knows rightly why he was dropped too! He could dig in and play with his club and work his way back but no, Seanie is such a super star he should transfer to another county.
If thats his attitude Kildare are welcome to him but he may stay in Straffan because outside of the Cavan Gaels he will be a hate figure for a lot of people at home. Cavan have good young players coming through and they don't need this boy bringing them down with his attitude. I have no doubt his ego will win the day and he'll transfer away from Cavan Gaels too and probably work a new job down there. I just wish we could get Bernard Morris out of retirement to mark him whenever the two team meet again.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?
And what do you know about Johnstons behaviour in the senior panel last year - zero I guess! You think Andrews just dropped his best player for a bit of craic?
Utterly irrelevant to my argument. Andrews is entitled to do whatever he wants to make cavan as successful as they can be in the way he believes best. As is McGuiness. Seanie may have a reputation for being disruptive, but hes still a damn good player who has put a lot into his football. Are you saying that because he has had clashes with Andrews he should be banished from inter co football until (if and when) someone else comes along who he gets on with? Why? What possible benefit is it to our game to have one of the best forwards in Ulster not playing?
Cassidy too - a long successful career, good servant etc, thrown off the panel on a managers whim. Unlikely to play inter co football again. Fair?
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?
Letting him play "wherever the f**k he wants" would be catastrophic for the GAA.
Well in my day, it was the manager who picked the team. When did this change?
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career
Assuming this isn't a rhetorical question, it's the right of every manager to include or exclude as he sees fit?
Didn't he go play for St Brendans in Chicago in 2007 when Cavan needed him for the qualifiers?
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 12:36:30 PM
What's the story here? He lives in Kildare and wants to play for Kildare but wants to remain with Cavan Gaels?
Can't do that. Dean O'Neill tried this last year for Antrim. Played a couple of games before it was confirmed that he wasn't allowed.
Lived in Antrim, wanted to play for Antrim but wanted to remain at Omagh St Endas.
I think the real issue hardstation is that he doesn't even really live in Kildare.
That's neither here nor there though. Unless he changes club, he can't play for another county.
Antrim could cream off all the best students in Ulster who are living/studying in Belfast?
You sure, doesn't Ruairi McGrattan still play with his home club in Down yet he plays for Armagh hurlers? As for Johnston, what exactly has he done to be thrown off the panel? I agree that he should be able to transfer as this carry on should not be tolerated.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:34:13 PM
Utterly irrelevant to my argument. Andrews is entitled to do whatever he wants to make cavan as successful as they can be in the way he believes best. As is McGuiness. Seanie may have a reputation for being disruptive, but hes still a damn good player who has put a lot into his football. Are you saying that because he has had clashes with Andrews he should be banished from inter co football until (if and when) someone else comes along who he gets on with? Why? What possible benefit is it to our game to have one of the best forwards in Ulster not playing?
Cassidy too - a long successful career, good servant etc, thrown off the panel on a managers whim. Unlikely to play inter co football again. Fair?
Where would this stop? Lads get dropped off county panels every day of the week at this time of year. Should they all be allowed transfer to some other county that will have them? Hard cases make bad laws, and this one would be a disaster.
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 01:35:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?
Well in my day, it was the manager who picked the team. When did this change?
http://tribune.maithu.com/article/2008/oct/26/wary-rebels-rise-up-again/
Regardless of this situation. Any inter-county player should be able to tog out for any club or county team they want given 12 months written notice. That would not affect about 95% of players who would all stick to their home county allegiance.
As the GAA is an amateur sports body, he should be let play for whoever he wants.
Seen a lot of this on twitter and to be honest Johnston is making a dick of himself. From what I gathered he wants to stay at his home club but play for Kildare. Comes out with a sob story that he got a ten second phonecall saying he wasn't needed yet it seems he couldn't wait to declare for another county. I'd say there's a very good reason he isn't in the management's plans. If he is indeed living and playing club football in Kildare then by all means the transfer should go ahead but if he's pretending to have an address there, is working and playing in Cavan then he should stop whinging and either try getting back on the Cavan team or retire from intercounty.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
Yep, and I might start using my contacts in Kerry to get a few boys up to Offaly. Summer job on the bog, and a bit of ball. How bad.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 18, 2012, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?
And what do you know about Johnstons behaviour in the senior panel last year - zero I guess! You think Andrews just dropped his best player for a bit of craic?
Exactly. So, every time a player gets dropped (or decides he doesn't want to play with these bunch of stupid fockers anymore) he can just fcuk off and play for another county? No chance.
Like all the Fermanagh lads could have played for Cavan last year and then transfer back when Canavan was appointed?
Yeah, that'd be great.
And what did happen was great, wasnt it??! That situation never would or could arise anyway. I just dont understand how people can happily support players not being allowed to play, for little reason. They've put their life into their sport to reach the top level, they dont then deserve to be barred from playing it at that level for no good reason. IN other sports, its self regulating by a transfer system, if that isnt the case in gaa then there should be something in place to protect players rights in these incidents.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
;) :D
Would Bernard Brogan switch to Kildare/Meath if Gilroy dropped him after a bad year?
Would the Gooch switch to Cork/Limerick if he was dropped due to poor form?
Seanie should have just played away with the Gaels and bided his time,
Before the National league was over, and per usual when the shit has hit the fan once again with Cavan struggling,Andrews and co would have been beating down his door begging him to come back.
He's only 27 and would have been there for years after Andrews is gone.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
The Kerry lads who don't make the squad could move to Cork. This of course would upset some of the Cork lads, but they could then play for Limerick. Any Limerick lads annoyed by this could move to Tipp. Displaced Tipp footballers could move to Clare and the inevitably upset Clare boys could play for Waterford. The Waterford lads that lose their places could play Hurling. There!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
Yep, and I might start using my contacts in Kerry to get a few boys up to Offaly. Summer job on the bog, and a bit of ball. How bad.
Intersrting that this is exactly how they're trying to get hurling strengthened in weaker counties in the very self same GAA, unless I'm mistaken?
Obviously there cant be transfers willy-nilly. But everyone whos against it is quoting the worst possible un governed examples. It wouldnt be perfect, but its not perfect to have players who want to play, not playing. We are not them, so its easy to say they should shut up and put up, but players have a limited shelf life, and if they do have a difference of opinon its not right that they could never play at the top level again. Allowign transfers doesnt actually mean there would be many, it would be a control on managers behaviour too. If not transfers, then what, for I still think somethign needs to be done to protect the player.
Quote from: Richiej on January 18, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
The question everyone in Cavan seems to be avoiding is has there been a door left open for Seanie to knuckle down with his club and work his way back into the County set up this year??
Or has the door been closed on his return completely??
Only Andrews who made the origional decision in the first place can answer that question.......AND HE HAS NOT.
AND UNTIL HE DOES SEANIE WILL BE SLATED FOR WANTING A MOVE.
Why could Seanie not just play with the Gaels, and
1.Wait for Andrews to come knocking on his door asking him back,when the going gets tough in the spring
2.Wait for Andrews to get turfed out(which unless Cavan have a very good year this year,is likely to happen)
He's only 27 and he looks after himself, He could have 6/7 years left at IC level easily.
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
Regardless of this situation. Any inter-county player should be able to tog out for any club or county team they want given 12 months written notice. That would not affect about 95% of players who would all stick to their home county allegiance.
As the GAA is an amateur sports body, he should be let play for whoever he wants.
Wha' ??? You know what, these tubes from Antrim will win nathin'. I think I'll play for Kerry this year, then Tyrone in 2013, then the Dubs in 2014. Good chance of a few handy All Irelands ;)
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
Yep, and I might start using my contacts in Kerry to get a few boys up to Offaly. Summer job on the bog, and a bit of ball. How bad.
Intersrting that this is exactly how they're trying to get hurling strengthened in weaker counties in the very self same GAA, unless I'm mistaken?
Obviously there cant be transfers willy-nilly. But everyone whos against it is quoting the worst possible un governed examples. It wouldnt be perfect, but its not perfect to have players who want to play, not playing. We are not them, so its easy to say they should shut up and put up, but players have a limited shelf life, and if they do have a difference of opinon its not right that they could never play at the top level again. Allowign transfers doesnt actually mean there would be many, it would be a control on managers behaviour too. If not transfers, then what, for I still think somethign needs to be done to protect the player.
Exactly. It's a move to benefit the counties, not to facilitate players moving where they like. I don't think Kildare need strengthening with footballers from Cavan.
It's a balls of a situation for an individual player, but essentially what you are proposing is that ANY player can play for ANY county. That's just crazy talk. We can't all play intercounty football. Some people get dropped, it's a fact of life. Another immutable fact however, is that if you are good enough, and have a good attitude, you will get back in if you get your head down and work.
You can't just get dropped, throw the head and say feck this I'm going to Kildare/Cork wherever.
What is the actual rule on this? Collie Holmes was able to play for a club in Armagh but still play Tyrone, and lots of players have clubs in Dublin but play for their respective counties. But Johnston can't have a club in Cavan and play for Kildare? Because Cavan is his 'home' county? It's a tricky one on that basis. Hopefully he'll fail in his attempt. It doesn't matter how talented you are, no one has a god given right to play intercounty football. The GAA is bigger than Seanie Johnston and even though it'd be a shame not to see him play for a year or two, the consequences of changing the rules to suit him would be worse for the organisation in the long term. I have more sympathy for Kevin Cassidy whos career has been ended by over zealous manager, but that's the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately.
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
No. It does not. I presume ye are winding here at this stage. Inter county football is a 'representative' team. i.e. You represent the clubs in the county. That's the idea of it. County teams are not supposed to be autonomous entities with no ties to the clubs in the same county. Some people think the GAA is only about playing inter county, as if that's the raison d'etre of the association. It's not. Playing for your county is a great honour and a great achievement, and it is a target for everyone in the county to aim for. It's not some franchise that is skimming the best players from anywhere at all.
Quote from: hsthompson on January 18, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
What is the actual rule on this? Collie Holmes was able to play for a club in Armagh but still play Tyrone, and lots of players have clubs in Dublin but play for their respective counties. But Johnston can't have a club in Cavan and play for Kildare? Because Cavan is his 'home' county? It's a tricky one on that basis. Hopefully he'll fail in his attempt. It doesn't matter how talented you are, no one has a god given right to play intercounty football. The GAA is bigger than Seanie Johnston and even though it'd be a shame not to see him play for a year or two, the consequences of changing the rules to suit him would be worse for the organisation in the long term. I have more sympathy for Kevin Cassidy whos career has been ended by over zealous manager, but that's the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately.
I went through this myself, so I know how it used to be at least. Someone else can clarify if it is the same way. Your first membership is to your initial club. You are then entitled to play for the county your club plays in.
If you fill out an inter county transfer, due to work or whatever, to a new club, there is a section in the paperwork which specifically asks - Do you wish to declare for the county of your new club, or do you wish to retain your affiliation with your original county.
The thing is, you don't transfer counties per se. You transfer club. If, during the course of transferring to the new club, you wish to make yourself eligable for your new county, you may do so. The important point is that is only a SECONDARY aspect of the real transfer, which is between clubs.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on January 18, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
What is the actual rule on this? Collie Holmes was able to play for a club in Armagh but still play Tyrone, and lots of players have clubs in Dublin but play for their respective counties. But Johnston can't have a club in Cavan and play for Kildare? Because Cavan is his 'home' county? It's a tricky one on that basis. Hopefully he'll fail in his attempt. It doesn't matter how talented you are, no one has a god given right to play intercounty football. The GAA is bigger than Seanie Johnston and even though it'd be a shame not to see him play for a year or two, the consequences of changing the rules to suit him would be worse for the organisation in the long term. I have more sympathy for Kevin Cassidy whos career has been ended by over zealous manager, but that's the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately.
I went through this myself, so I know how it used to be at least. Someone else can clarify if it is the same way. Your first membership is to your initial club. You are then entitled to play for the county your club plays in.
If you fill out an inter county transfer, due to work or whatever, to a new club, there is a section in the paperwork which specifically asks - Do you wish to declare for the county of your new club, or do you wish to retain your affiliation with your original county.
The thing is, you don't transfer counties per se. You transfer club. If, during the course of transferring to the new club, you wish to make yourself eligable for your new county, you may do so. The important point is that is only a SECONDARY aspect of the real transfer, which is between clubs.
Correct.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
No. It does not. I presume ye are winding here at this stage. Inter county football is a 'representative' team. i.e. You represent the clubs in the county. That's the idea of it. County teams are not supposed to be autonomous entities with no ties to the clubs in the same county. Some people think the GAA is only about playing inter county, as if that's the raison d'etre of the association. It's not. Playing for your county is a great honour and a great achievement, and it is a target for everyone in the county to aim for. It's not some franchise that is skimming the best players from anywhere at all.
Well said AZ
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
Regardless of this situation. Any inter-county player should be able to tog out for any club or county team they want given 12 months written notice. That would not affect about 95% of players who would all stick to their home county allegiance.
As the GAA is an amateur sports body, he should be let play for whoever he wants.
Wha' ??? You know what, these tubes from Antrim will win nathin'. I think I'll play for Kerry this year, then Tyrone in 2013, then the Dubs in 2014. Good chance of a few handy All Irelands ;)
how many Antrim players are good enough to have this luxury.... ?? the more successful counties do trials too and the respective manager's would not be getting over excited about CJ and the likes coming on board when they have the players they already have at their disposal I'm sure :-\
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 01:19:28 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on January 18, 2012, 01:14:01 PM
He needs to transfer to a Kildare club and I heard a rumour he was doing so, with Celbridge, but then you hear so many rumours.
Personally as a Kildare supporter I'd rather we stuck with our own, but if he lives in Kildare and plays with a Kildare club then what can you do - and lord knows we lost out badly ourselves in the past on Larry Tompkins and Shay Fahy.
If he doesn't fulfill the above criteria, I'd be shocked if he gets a transfer.
I'd agree, but I don't think ye can use the 'lord knows we lost out' in the past argument :) Lacey, O'Dwyer, Murphy ?
Good players all three AZ, but nowhere near in the same class as the ones I've mentioned. In my opinion we still came out on the debit side and Cork would have two less All-Irelands if it wasn't for us!
Should also note that Niall Browne from Kildare plays for Clare and Declan Brennan from Kildare was on the Derry panel... neither of them were important parts of the Kildare set-up, but then Johnston is hardly an important part of the Cavan set-up any more. Just pointing out that transfers happen all the time - Smith to Cavan, Padden to Armagh, several Dublin hurlers etc, etc.
And this current case is not as bad as, say, Thomas Walsh being lured to Wicklow, at a time when he was Carlow's best player.
Though I'd reiterate, I'd prefer we didn't pursue Johnston if that's what we're doing, particularly if he doesn't really even live in Kildare, let alone play for a Kildare club. We have plenty of good footballers. True, Johnston on top form would add something, but that doesn't make it right.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
Doesn't help it in Fermanagh when you could have full Fermanagh panel without 1 Fermanagh man.
Course it does, the fans are happy and the Fermanagh players know where they need to get to to be considered good enough
Quote from: heffo on January 18, 2012, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: hsthompson on January 18, 2012, 01:59:24 PM
What is the actual rule on this? Collie Holmes was able to play for a club in Armagh but still play Tyrone, and lots of players have clubs in Dublin but play for their respective counties. But Johnston can't have a club in Cavan and play for Kildare? Because Cavan is his 'home' county? It's a tricky one on that basis. Hopefully he'll fail in his attempt. It doesn't matter how talented you are, no one has a god given right to play intercounty football. The GAA is bigger than Seanie Johnston and even though it'd be a shame not to see him play for a year or two, the consequences of changing the rules to suit him would be worse for the organisation in the long term. I have more sympathy for Kevin Cassidy whos career has been ended by over zealous manager, but that's the way the cookie crumbles unfortunately.
I went through this myself, so I know how it used to be at least. Someone else can clarify if it is the same way. Your first membership is to your initial club. You are then entitled to play for the county your club plays in.
If you fill out an inter county transfer, due to work or whatever, to a new club, there is a section in the paperwork which specifically asks - Do you wish to declare for the county of your new club, or do you wish to retain your affiliation with your original county.
The thing is, you don't transfer counties per se. You transfer club. If, during the course of transferring to the new club, you wish to make yourself eligable for your new county, you may do so. The important point is that is only a SECONDARY aspect of the real transfer, which is between clubs.
Correct.
And to use the example of Dean O'Neill, he is "resident" and works in Antrim but he never transferred from Omagh St Enda's to any Antrim club, therefore he was not eligible to play for Antrim but could still play for Tyrone. Collie Holmes transferred from the Moy in Tyrone to Armagh Harps but he did not transfer his county allegiance therefore was able to play for Tyrone.
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 02:24:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
Doesn't help it in Fermanagh when you could have full Fermanagh panel without 1 Fermanagh man.
Course it does, the fans are happy and the Fermanagh players know where they need to get to to be considered good enough
Yeah, some other county.
It's a kick up the hole he wants.
Managers get paid a lot of money to make these sort of big decisions! ;)
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 02:24:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
Doesn't help it in Fermanagh when you could have full Fermanagh panel without 1 Fermanagh man.
Course it does, the fans are happy and the Fermanagh players know where they need to get to to be considered good enough
FFS it's not the Premiership!
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
No. It does not. I presume ye are winding here at this stage. Inter county football is a 'representative' team. i.e. You represent the clubs in the county. That's the idea of it. County teams are not supposed to be autonomous entities with no ties to the clubs in the same county. Some people think the GAA is only about playing inter county, as if that's the raison d'etre of the association. It's not. Playing for your county is a great honour and a great achievement, and it is a target for everyone in the county to aim for. It's not some franchise that is skimming the best players from anywhere at all.
So the strong keep getting stronger and the weak can still hope for their odd day in the sun?? Maybe the GAA need to look at this "representative" basis of the county teams with a more liberal approach... I dont think we would see a mass exodus of any proud county man to another regardless of the rule change.
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 02:24:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
Doesn't help it in Fermanagh when you could have full Fermanagh panel without 1 Fermanagh man.
Course it does, the fans are happy and the Fermanagh players know where they need to get to to be considered good enough
FFS it's not the Premiership!
who said it was, and it never will be either but things evolve (well outside Antrim anyway)
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 18, 2012, 02:30:07 PM
Managers get paid a lot of money to make these sort of big decisions! ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D
So you are suggesting free market movement in a bid to encourage parity? It's a proposal certainly, but it is not something I would be in favour of. I'd prefer to see the weak get off their knees, like Tyrone did.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
So you are suggesting free market movement in a bid to encourage parity? It's a proposal certainly, but it is not something I would be in favour of. I'd prefer to see the weak get off their knees, like Tyrone did.
If you have free movement that will only make the strong stronger through.
With a few exceptions here and there, the money will centre around the existing strong counties and this will lead to better players from weaker counties joining the existing 'big counties'.
I see Philip Jordan has been very outspoken about this situation on twitter.
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 18, 2012, 02:46:26 PM
I see Philip Jordan has been very outspoken about this situation on twitter.
He could still do us a turn.
Judging by his comments,playing for anyone other than Moy and Tyrone would be completely out of the question ;)
Why wouldn't he want to transfer to the flourbags? Some of their achievements are unbelievable. They look in amazing shape in recent O'Byrne Cup games and they only started training on January 1st!!!!! Outstanding!
They are able to make enough money from a team boxing night to cover all costs. It covers everything!!!! Incredible! They give the money to the manager to keep safe.
Seanie would fit in nicely with the Lilies for sure. He managed to get a place in Straffan without paying rent!!!! Unbelievable!
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
They already started that a few years ago.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 18, 2012, 02:46:26 PM
I see Philip Jordan has been very outspoken about this situation on twitter.
Fair play to him.
We need more high-profile players to come out and say the same thing.
This notion that the players are somehow being exploited can only be debunked by the players themselves.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 18, 2012, 01:47:43 PM
Would Bernard Brogan switch to Kildare/Meath if Gilroy dropped him after a bad year?
Would the Gooch switch to Cork/Limerick if he was dropped due to poor form?
Seanie should have just played away with the Gaels and bided his time,
Before the National league was over, and per usual when the shit has hit the fan once again with Cavan struggling,Andrews and co would have been beating down his door begging him to come back.
He's only 27 and would have been there for years after Andrews is gone.
But I don't think Johnston has been dropped due to bad form, their last match was months ago and I am sure he performed better last year than alot of the players on the panel - as asked earlier, is the door open or closed?
If a precedent has been set then the powers that be are surely in an awkward position. As I mentioned earlier a Down County hurler (still playing for his club in Down) was able to transfer to Armagh. If this was allowed then so should Johnston's transfer.
QuoteAs I mentioned earlier a Down County hurler (still playing for his club in Down) was able to transfer to Armagh. If this was allowed then so should Johnston's transfer.
Is there not some scheme where players from stonger hurling counties can play for weaker counties?
Seanie is obviously not prepared to do what all the other lads on the Cavan panel ARE.
He's their best player so there is no logical reason for Andrews to leave him out unless he is a disruptive influence.
Quote from: nrico2006 on January 18, 2012, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 18, 2012, 01:47:43 PM
Would Bernard Brogan switch to Kildare/Meath if Gilroy dropped him after a bad year?
Would the Gooch switch to Cork/Limerick if he was dropped due to poor form?
Seanie should have just played away with the Gaels and bided his time,
Before the National league was over, and per usual when the shit has hit the fan once again with Cavan struggling,Andrews and co would have been beating down his door begging him to come back.
He's only 27 and would have been there for years after Andrews is gone.
But I don't think Johnston has been dropped due to bad form, their last match was months ago and I am sure he performed better last year than alot of the players on the panel - as asked earlier, is the door open or closed?
If a precedent has been set then the powers that be are surely in an awkward position. As I mentioned earlier a Down County hurler (still playing for his club in Down) was able to transfer to Armagh. If this was allowed then so should Johnston's transfer.
His form for Cavan was terrible in 2011,I doubt he would have been dropped if he had been playing like he did against Wicklow in 2010,but he was suffering from injury problems.
As to whether the door is open or closed.
I can't under any circumstances believe the door is entirely closed on him playing in 2012 for Cavan.
Players of Seanie's ability are in short supply in Cavan and Andrews/Hyland are on the hot seat after a disastrous year in the NFL and Championship in 2011, they would have came back for him(Lyng and co) in the Spring,when they started dropping points in the league.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 18, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
QuoteAs I mentioned earlier a Down County hurler (still playing for his club in Down) was able to transfer to Armagh. If this was allowed then so should Johnston's transfer.
Is there not some scheme where players from stonger hurling counties can play for weaker counties?
Yes there is. Not sure if that's the case here but you are correct.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
Yep, and I might start using my contacts in Kerry to get a few boys up to Offaly. Summer job on the bog, and a bit of ball. How bad.
Intersrting that this is exactly how they're trying to get hurling strengthened in weaker counties in the very self same GAA, unless I'm mistaken?
Jinxy, disruptive influence or not in the opinion of this particular manager, does he deserve to be forced out of top level football?? Does Kevin Cassidy?
Theres loads of players playing for counties other than their own anyway - hardstation should be able to name a few there ;)
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
Yep, and I might start using my contacts in Kerry to get a few boys up to Offaly. Summer job on the bog, and a bit of ball. How bad.
Intersrting that this is exactly how they're trying to get hurling strengthened in weaker counties in the very self same GAA, unless I'm mistaken?
Jinxy, disruptive influence or not in the opinion of this particular manager, does he deserve to be forced out of top level football?? Does Kevin Cassidy?
Theres loads of players playing for counties other than their own anyway - hardstation should be able to name a few there ;)
How do you know he's being forced out?
We only have one side of the story here.
Good players are very rarely forced out of inter-county football.
It's the managers call, no one has the god-given right to play for their county.
The team is bigger than any one individual.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:40:51 PM
So you are suggesting free market movement in a bid to encourage parity? It's a proposal certainly, but it is not something I would be in favour of. I'd prefer to see the weak get off their knees, like Tyrone did.
TYRONE is one of the biggest counties in Ireland!! :o but yeah, they were quare and weak back in the day :D
Mebbe you're not attending games these days in protest, I dunno.
And also, as I alluded to and nrico stated, an ex tyrone player did try out for fermanagh in the last few years.
Its only controversial when their original co still want them.
jinxy, yes, we have one side of the story - Andrews and his backers. As I said before, andrews is right to do what he feels is best for cavan. But why should players suffer for that. What about cassidy?
Yes, noone has a god given right to play inter co - they work their arse off to get there. Noone either should have a god given right to stop someones interco career if they're good enough. cassidy and Johnson would both get on their inter co teams.
The team is bigger than any one individual - be that player OR MANAGER. And that being so, does that mean the individual has no rights whatsoever? That if a manager falls out with them they have to wait 2/3 years (a long time in a short shelf life) of their career waiting for him to leave/be sacked? How is that benefitting anyone??
What?
We haven't got Andrews side of the story at all.
All we know is that Seanie Johnston said they had a 10 second conversation (which I find highly dubious) and that was that.
FFS, it takes longer than 10 seconds to get off the phone if it's a wrong number.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
Yep, and I might start using my contacts in Kerry to get a few boys up to Offaly. Summer job on the bog, and a bit of ball. How bad.
Intersrting that this is exactly how they're trying to get hurling strengthened in weaker counties in the very self same GAA, unless I'm mistaken?
Jinxy, disruptive influence or not in the opinion of this particular manager, does he deserve to be forced out of top level football?? Does Kevin Cassidy?
Theres loads of players playing for counties other than their own anyway - hardstation should be able to name a few there ;)
Who's forcing him out?
AFAIK, all players on the current Antrim county panel play for clubs in Antrim
Andrews is forcing him out AQMP.... is that not clear already? that's what part of this whole debate is about :-\
You can have all the opinions in the world but the rules are explicit on this issue. He cannot play for another county while playing CLub football for his home club. If he completes an inter county transfer to a county he is now resident in he can play for his new club and his new county or his home county. There are no other options.
Apart from submitting a motion to the next Cavan Convention seeking the rule to be changed, have it passed and onto the Clár at the 2013 Congress!
In the meantime he can drop into his local filling station in Straffan (only shop there) and buy a dummy to suck for the year.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
Mebbe you're not attending games these days in protest, I dunno.
And also, as I alluded to and nrico stated, an ex tyrone player did try out for fermanagh in the last few years.
Its only controversial when their original co still want them.
jinxy, yes, we have one side of the story - Andrews and his backers. As I said before, andrews is right to do what he feels is best for cavan. But why should players suffer for that. What about cassidy?
Yes, noone has a god given right to play inter co - they work their arse off to get there. Noone either should have a god given right to stop someones interco career if they're good enough. cassidy and Johnson would both get on their inter co teams.
The team is bigger than any one individual - be that player OR MANAGER. And that being so, does that mean the individual has no rights whatsoever? That if a manager falls out with them they have to wait 2/3 years (a long time in a short shelf life) of their career waiting for him to leave/be sacked? How is that benefitting anyone??
What I think you're missing here is a fundamental in the structure of any team sport. Outside of Cork ;) there is normally one manager and he/she picks the team. They then "live or die" by the decisions they make - I don't think you need to look far from Fermanagh for a recent example of that. What you advocate is carte blanche for a "have boots, will travel" bunch of soccer-esque prima donnas roaming from county to county looking for a gig...there I've said it!
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
Andrews is forcing him out AQMP.... is that not clear already? that's what part of this whole debate is about :-\
How so?
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
Andrews is forcing him out AQMP.... is that not clear already? that's what part of this whole debate is about :-\
How so?
He told him he doesnt want him being part of the Cavan senior football panel this campaign
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 06:28:49 PM
Quote from: AQMP on January 18, 2012, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
Andrews is forcing him out AQMP.... is that not clear already? that's what part of this whole debate is about :-\
How so?
He told him he doesnt want him being part of the Cavan senior football panel this campaign
You know that for sure? A lot of you boyos don't know much about this situation at all. Of course the door was not fully closed on him, it never is when a player is dropped. It wasn't even closed fully when he ran off to America in the middle of the championship a few years ago. The only one closing the door fully is the bold seanie. If that is his attitude kildare are welcome to him.
Quote from: Give and Go on January 18, 2012, 04:45:39 PM
You can have all the opinions in the world but the rules are explicit on this issue. He cannot play for another county while playing CLub football for his home club. If he completes an inter county transfer to a county he is now resident in he can play for his new club and his new county or his home county. There are no other options.
Apart from submitting a motion to the next Cavan Convention seeking the rule to be changed, have it passed and onto the Clár at the 2013 Congress!
In the meantime he can drop into his local filling station in Straffan (only shop there) and buy a dummy to suck for the year.
According to Aertel he lives in Straffan and works in Cavan Town :o ::)
Now I've often heard of people doing a long distance commute to work just so as they could continue to live in their home town .... but moving 90 or whatever miles away from your home town while still working in it ....
Maybe the family have shares in an oil company ;D
I am only going off the RTE website myles http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2012/0117/johnstons.html I don't know anything about Johnston apart from what I seen him doing on the field of play
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 07:06:54 PM
I am only going off the RTE website myles http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2012/0117/johnstons.html I don't know anything about Johnston apart from what I seen him doing on the field of play
Sammy - that report says he lives in Straffan. He doesn't and he never did. Just bullshit to help him transfer. Instead of living in his home town beside where he works we are expected to believe he moved 90 miles away to commute? Come on! The reports in the media are all from Seanie himself, the other side is not in the public domain.
Richie - Johnston was not told that he will
never be part of the set-up again, just that he wasn't been considered during pre season. Same was said to Lyng, Nesty, Sheridan etc. Where are their transfer requests??
Colm Parkinson was very good on Off the Ball.
The bit at the end was priceless.
Damian Lawlor: "Residency isn't enough"
Parkinson: "Especially when it's fake residency!" :D
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 07:48:21 PM
Colm Parkinson was very good on Off the Ball.
The bit at the end was priceless.
Damian Lawlor: "Residency isn't enough"
Parkinson: "Especially when it's fake residency!" :D
He's some man to talk.
Left his club for the bright lights in the big shmoke.
Decided he's not playing for Portlaoise anymore as long as their current managers are in charge because he was takin off in a match for being crap.
Left the Laois panel last year because he wasn't getting a game.
Always looking for publicity with his twitters.
The lads a clown and I've just mentioned stuff that he's done recently.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 01:23:56 PM
I'd cut off my big toe before I'd pay to watch a Cavan man playing for us.
Come on flourbags, you're better than this.
:D
and +1
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
No. It does not. I presume ye are winding here at this stage. Inter county football is a 'representative' team. i.e. You represent the clubs in the county. That's the idea of it. County teams are not supposed to be autonomous entities with no ties to the clubs in the same county. Some people think the GAA is only about playing inter county, as if that's the raison d'etre of the association. It's not. Playing for your county is a great honour and a great achievement, and it is a target for everyone in the county to aim for. It's not some franchise that is skimming the best players from anywhere at all.
So the strong keep getting stronger and the weak can still hope for their odd day in the sun?? Maybe the GAA need to look at this "representative" basis of the county teams with a more liberal approach... I dont think we would see a mass exodus of any proud county man to another regardless of the rule change.
What about the scenario where a team like Fermanagh has one top class player, but he knows he will never win anything with Fermanagh, so he decides to move to another county to have a better chance of winning something? Under your proposal, there's still plenty of scope for the weak to get weaker and the strong to get stronger.
But if this top class player had the dregs from Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh etc then that team would be stronger and the team would have a chance to succeed... As there is no money involved the same problems as professional sport would not be exactly the same imo
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
But if this top class player had the dregs from Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh etc then that team would be stronger and the team would have a chance to succeed... As there is no money involved the same problems as professional sport would not be exactly the same imo
Then it's no longer Fermanagh.
For me, this aspect of the GAA is far above the amateur/professional argument in terms of importance.
I'd have little interest in supporting Monaghan if it was made up of players from other counties.
I think its ridicilous what Johnston is playing at. Id be friendly with an x cavan trainer and when asked about Johnston his relpy was that he had serious attitude problems....didnt wanna train..wanted to be wrapped in cotton wool. Johnston would never make a Tyrone panel given his type of attitude...Id hardly think that mc geeney would take any shit from him...
That's a fair point too and a Fermanagh Ulster win with a Monaghan man in the ranks would take the shine of it... But it would still be an Ulster title :-\
With your comment in mind, I don't think too many GAA inter county players would play for another county anyhow
Why do people take any notice of Colm Parkinson?
I think he's funny.
An absolute spoofer, but still funny. :)
Quote from: hardstation on January 18, 2012, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 09:15:23 PM
That's a fair point too and a Fermanagh Ulster win with a Monaghan man in the ranks would take the shine of it... But it would still be an Ulster title :-\
With your comment in mind, I don't think too many GAA inter county players would play for another county anyhow
Players might play for another county to become an intercounty footballer.
Aye that's right.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 18, 2012, 01:12:27 PM
Quote from: Bingo on January 18, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
How realistic is it that he is living in Kildare?? Seems far fetched. Why if he wants to continue to play Intercounty so much didn't he look to a neighbouring county - Fermanagh, Longford, Monaghan, Leitrim.
Well I think we all know the answer to that one. They are not good enough in his eyes.
We were good enough last summer when we hammered the sh:te out of them below in Breffni ;D
I'm sure we could find somewhere on a ghost estate in Dromard or Aughnacliffe or Granard that could be a "real" address for Seánie - and he'd only have a half-hour drive into work ;).
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
I think he's funny.
An absolute spoofer, but still funny. :)
Nothing funny about him. An utter tool. Sure maybe Banty will get him to play for you.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 18, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
I think he's funny.
An absolute spoofer, but still funny. :)
Nothing funny about him. An utter tool. Sure maybe Banty will get him to play for you.
He's like the Kevin McGourty of Laois football :D
I would agree with Jinxy - as per the above not really one who can be taken seriously. A waste of talent!
Quote from: INDIANA on January 18, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
I think he's funny.
An absolute spoofer, but still funny. :)
Nothing funny about him. An utter tool. Sure maybe Banty will get him to play for you.
Nah, we don't do cast-offs.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 10:42:35 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 18, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 18, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
I think he's funny.
An absolute spoofer, but still funny. :)
Nothing funny about him. An utter tool. Sure maybe Banty will get him to play for you.
Nah, we don't do cast-offs.
In the 1952 all Ireland des and liam maguire played on the Cavan team, their younger brother brendan played with meath. Brendan made a bad decision!
If a county board and manager are willing to accept a player from another county and it's within the rules (in the future) then let the player and the county board deal with the morality of it between them. Sure half of Tyrone play for Derry.
If it's within the rules there is no morality issue as far as I'm concerned.
The thing is though, the transfer under discussion is clearly not within the rules.
According to Off the Ball tonight, the home club refused to back his DRA appeal so it's dead in the water.
Either he kisses and makes up with Val or I think he'll transfer to a club in Kildare and go the whole hog.
Play in Kildare if you like seanie, do your transfer and tell the club and county where to go. It's a bloody amateur game, they should really have no right to tell you where you can or cannot play.
Tell who where to go?
Cavan Gaels?
Can I just point out that apparently the reason Sean and Val had such a brief conversation is because Sean hung up the phone.
I'll pay for his petrol to get to Kildare. Oh no wait, he already lives there ;)
Personally, I think he has made a tool of himself.
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 18, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
QuoteAs I mentioned earlier a Down County hurler (still playing for his club in Down) was able to transfer to Armagh. If this was allowed then so should Johnston's transfer.
Is there not some scheme where players from stonger hurling counties can play for weaker counties?
there is such a scheme but can't see it having anything to do with this case as Armagh and Down would be around same level and Armagh beat Down in Championship last year
Johnston and Kildare are taking the piss. What exactly did Parkinson say that people object to? Johnston is clearly using a fake address to go gloryhunting. The whole thing is so transparent it's laughable. I sincerely hope he's told to go and feck off with himself.
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Could Fermanagh, for example, then just start picking players from Tyrone who can't get on the Tyrone panel?
why not?, them lads arent getting inter county football and if they wanted to tog out for Fermanagh, then does not that help the GAA overall?
Doesn't help it in Fermanagh when you could have full Fermanagh panel without 1 Fermanagh man.
HQ would need to introduce a policy like the 6+5 rule FIFA were looking at where you are only allowed 5 "foreigners" per team.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 19, 2012, 12:14:04 AM
According to Off the Ball tonight, the home club refused to back his DRA appeal so it's dead in the water.
Ain't dead in the water yet. Search for deep pockets around the Curragh continues - they have until today to appeal to DRA.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 19, 2012, 12:14:04 AM
If it's within the rules there is no morality issue as far as I'm concerned.
The thing is though, the transfer under discussion is clearly not within the rules.
According to Off the Ball tonight, the home club refused to back his DRA appeal so it's dead in the water.
Either he kisses and makes up with Val or I think he'll transfer to a club in Kildare and go the whole hog.
The rules are bollocks anyway - its already been pointed out that in hurling this is actively encouraged, so clearly its not like the top brass take them seriously themselves.
Its an amateur game, its an awful pity we devote such time to try getting some of its best proponents not to play. Its always weaker counties players too, isnt it?? ::)
It is a waste of talent if Johnson isnt playing inter co this year, but its not him who is wasting it - hes still looking to play
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Quote from: Jinxy on January 19, 2012, 12:14:04 AM
If it's within the rules there is no morality issue as far as I'm concerned.
The thing is though, the transfer under discussion is clearly not within the rules.
According to Off the Ball tonight, the home club refused to back his DRA appeal so it's dead in the water.
Either he kisses and makes up with Val or I think he'll transfer to a club in Kildare and go the whole hog.
It is a waste of talent if Johnson isnt playing inter co this year, but its not him who is wasting it - hes still looking to play
Johnson isn't the first bigshot to be dropped by a manager for a perceived bad attitude and won't be the last. The only difference with the other 99.9% who are dropped at the start of the year, get a kick up the hole and are back in the team half way through the league is that Johnson has decided he wants to transfer to a different county.
Yes, I got that. And why shouldnt he? Why should he kiss some managers arse to get back in his team? Why do you assume its always the players fault? Or why should he take the hit and sit it out for a year or two? Years are precious at this stage of his career...He wants to play, let him play. There'd be no floodgates opening like ppl are suggesting, its only ever gonna be a last resort for anyone.
Quote from: Richiej on January 19, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
5/6 experienced Cavan Senior players questioned Andrews last year over mistakes made, tactics employed in 2 heavy defeats to Donegal and Longford.
There was alot of stuff written on internet forums where Val publicly came out and said these "faceless " posters included some players.
Word got out in November that 6 players had been dropped by Andrews. This was denied by the Cavan PRO who stated that nobody was dropped because there was no panel to drop anybody. total lies as we know it now.
Johnston has been caught between" a rock and a hard stone" here. There has been no official word from the CB or Andrews stating that the door is not closed to Johnston. Maybe thats because it is closed.
Cavan Co Board are not interested in keeping the paying public up to date on any matter.
Donegal quickly put the rumours of Cassidy exclusion quickly to bed. But not Cavan. I think this Andrews and Co love to hear talk about themselves in the press. They cant get in the news for the right reasons so they may as well get in the news for the wrong ones!
Its all a mess. Hopefully Seanie will stick with the Gaels this year and continue to knock them over from all sides. Then Andrews will have no choice but ask him in. Its ironic that in the McKenna cup its Cavan Gaels forwards that are saving Andrews bacon this past 2 games.
Seanie will be back................Long after Andrews and his sidekick are long gone
Jesus, where do I start with that? Is that you Reillers?
1. Donegal quickly put the rumours of Cassidy exclusion quickly to bed -> Cassidy was excluded for breaking team rules - it was in the public domain before he was excluded, and was a news item for a few days. I don't see what this has to do with Johnson's situation.
2. Word got out in November that 6 players had been dropped by Andrews. This was denied by the Cavan PRO who stated that nobody was dropped because there was no panel to drop anybody. total lies as we know it now. -> Unless you were training throughout the winter against the rules, there should've been no panel in November. The panel is most counties during January & February is open-ended due to colleges having first pick on players, older players not returning to the panel until later etc - I'm sure Andrews will announce his panel for the NFL & the Championship.
3. Its ironic that in the McKenna cup its Cavan Gaels forwards that are saving Andrews bacon this past 2 games -> I must be missing something, but I can't see any irony in that.
4. Johnston has been caught between" a rock and a hard stone" here. There has been no official word from the CB or Andrews stating that the door is not closed to Johnston. Maybe thats because it is closed. -> Why doesn't he just stop this Kildare crap so, knuckle down and try and win back a place with Cavan, like every other player dropped in these circumstances?
5. Cavan Co Board are not interested in keeping the paying public up to date on any matter -> Paying public? Are you not members of the GAA up there?
Quote from: Richiej on January 19, 2012, 09:12:22 AM
5/6 experienced Cavan Senior players questioned Andrews last year over mistakes made, tactics employed in 2 heavy defeats to Donegal and Longford.
There was alot of stuff written on internet forums where Val publicly came out and said these "faceless " posters included some players.
Word got out in November that 6 players had been dropped by Andrews. This was denied by the Cavan PRO who stated that nobody was dropped because there was no panel to drop anybody. total lies as we know it now.
Johnston has been caught between" a rock and a hard stone" here. There has been no official word from the CB or Andrews stating that the door is not closed to Johnston. Maybe thats because it is closed.
Cavan Co Board are not interested in keeping the paying public up to date on any matter.
Donegal quickly put the rumours of Cassidy exclusion quickly to bed. But not Cavan. I think this Andrews and Co love to hear talk about themselves in the press. They cant get in the news for the right reasons so they may as well get in the news for the wrong ones!
Its all a mess. Hopefully Seanie will stick with the Gaels this year and continue to knock them over from all sides. Then Andrews will have no choice but ask him in. Its ironic that in the McKenna cup its Cavan Gaels forwards that are saving Andrews bacon this past 2 games.
Seanie will be back................Long after Andrews and his sidekick are long gone
Seanie?
Quote from: haranguerer on January 19, 2012, 08:41:31 AM
Yes, I got that. And why shouldnt he? Why should he kiss some managers arse to get back in his team? Why do you assume its always the players fault? Or why should he take the hit and sit it out for a year or two? Years are precious at this stage of his career...He wants to play, let him play. There'd be no floodgates opening like ppl are suggesting, its only ever gonna be a last resort for anyone.
Grand, provided he does it within the rules.
I'm not sure I understand your argument, Haranguerer. The rules are wrong or Seanie is right?
Quote from: mannix on January 19, 2012, 12:18:58 AM
Play in Kildare if you like seanie, do your transfer and tell the club and county where to go. It's a bloody amateur game, they should really have no right to tell you where you can or cannot play.
How would that work, exactly?
That's a puzzler alright.
the age old GAA mantra - lose your plae, work hard and regain it. if not you keep the head down - play well for your club and the next manager will give you a shot.
if Maurisce Fitzgerald could keep plugging away despite being publicly lauded when he was effectively dropped and only getting on for cameo roles (winning games for Kerry) for the latter part of the season - then any other player can do likewise .
as lets face it, most of these disaffected players are not if the same cosmos as Maurice Fitz let alone same ballpark.
No matter how good a player is, the team comes first and Maurice accepted that.
If this transfer goes through just because johnston aledgedly "has an address in Kildare" it will be open season for all the big counties to tap up players from the weaker counties.
If this is approved what is to stop McGeeney's tapping up more players not playing for their county this year eg. Kevin Cassidy & offering him a house for the summer if he will play for Kildare
Hope they remember which house their supposed to be living in... wasnt there a Wicklow import who gave an address of a still unbuilt apartment number in a block in Bray??
Quote from: Jinxy on January 19, 2012, 11:30:13 AM
That's a puzzler alright.
Not really. Give their county first call at them. If their county doesnt want them, and another does, then let them play for that other if they desire.
Nothings gonna be perfect here, but its better than depriving our best footballers of football at the highest level due to a fall out. The vast majority of footballers will not seek to transfer to another co, but will put the head down and try to get back on their co panel. For a few though, who have what they feel are irreconcilable differences, and the manager has made it clear he doesnt want them, this will be an option.
As for Mauice fitz, Hes an irrelevance to this argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think Maurice Fitz was ever put off the Kerry panel?? This isnt about team v individual. Val Andrews is perfectly entitled to do what he likes to advance Cavan football. As is Jim McGuinness. But so too should Seanie and Cassidy be allowed to do what they want to play the game they've devoted their lives to. Neither was dropped for tactical reasons, as m fitz was. Another thing, if M Fitz had been put off the panel entirely, I know I for one would have rather saw him play for someone else than not saw him play at all.
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2012, 11:26:49 PM
If a county board and manager are willing to accept a player from another county and it's within the rules (in the future) then let the player and the county board deal with the morality of it between them. Sure half of Tyrone play for Derry.
who?
Will you not just end up with lesser counties then made up of boys from the big counties who are very good footballers but just not good enough to make it?
No, that wouldnt happen for many reasons. If players havent been good enough for one team in that year, then they'll most likely work at it rather than throw their lot in with anohter county, especially if they are close, and perceive it to be a step down to play for the other county. There also isnt that much difference between the top 15 across the vast majority of teams - someone not makig the top 30 in one co is not likely to be that keenly sought by another. Geography also comes into it - its not gonna be worth anyones while moving somewhere just to play inter co, so it'll be restricted to neighbouring counties. At which point local rivalries come in too I suppose (no coincidence seanie s trying to move province)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2012, 12:57:42 PM
Hope they remember which house their supposed to be living in... wasnt there a Wicklow import who gave an address of a still unbuilt apartment number in a block in Bray??
The apt was built alright, Walsh just put the wrong address down on the form (easy mistake to make I suppose). Then he said he owned the apt. Then he said Ballymore properties (Wicklow sponsor at the time) owned it. Then he said he just lived there, resubmitted the transfer and he remembered the right address the second time around.
if Val dropped seanie because of form then imo hes an idiot,as sean is better than most players in the county when hes not even on form.
if Val dropped seanie because he feels hes disruptive,then imo hes an idiot,why would you make someone whos disruptive team captain.
the whole cassidy thing was cleared up in no time because mcguinness came out with the reason he was dropped straight away.andrews is complaining about faceless posters (and people are calling seanie a whinger),if he came out with a reason for dropping the players he did and they were reasonable he might earn a bit of respect.
seanie would have training in kildare 3/4 times a week and a match at the weekend,if he wins the appeal there wouldnt be much difference in him living in cavan and driving to kildare most nites and living in kildare and driving to cavan every morning.shows how determined he is to play intercounty football.
I wouldn't be a major fan of Val Andrews, I don't think he's been particularly successful with any team he's been with apart from a star studded Tralee IT team, but at the end of the day if he's the manager, then he's the manager, and Johnson needs to knuckle down and buy into that or not play with Cavan until Andrews is gone. Ultimately the greatest strength of the GAA is that you play for where you are from, for the parish and for the Jersey (I realise that this can also be a huge weakness and a stick to beat the organization with too). However even Johnson gets this on some level, as he doesn't want to leave Cavan Gaels, where he is from......
Quote from: haranguerer on January 19, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
As for Mauice fitz, Hes an irrelevance to this argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think Maurice Fitz was ever put off the Kerry panel?? This isnt about team v individual. Val Andrews is perfectly entitled to do what he likes to advance Cavan football. As is Jim McGuinness. But so too should Seanie and Cassidy be allowed to do what they want to play the game they've devoted their lives to. Neither was dropped for tactical reasons, as m fitz was. Another thing, if M Fitz had been put off the panel entirely, I know I for one would have rather saw him play for someone else than not saw him play at all.
not exactly the same but certainly not irrelvant.
If the likes of one of the best players of his generation coul dbe left of the team , then a decent (and he isnt much more than decent as he is marked out of the game all too often I believe) player needs to use the same humility and keep the head down and work for his place like everyone else.
Just like Maurice Fitz did.
Quote from: liihb on January 19, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
I wouldn't be a major fan of Val Andrews, I don't think he's been particularly successful with any team he's been with apart from a star studded Tralee IT team, but at the end of the day if he's the manager, then he's the manager, and Johnson needs to knuckle down and buy into that or not play with Cavan until Andrews is gone. Ultimately the greatest strength of the GAA is that you play for where you are from, for the parish and for the Jersey (I realise that this can also be a huge weakness and a stick to beat the organization with too). However even Johnson gets this on some level, as he doesn't want to leave Cavan Gaels, where he is from......
Cavan Gaels regularly win championships though.
If he played for a mid-ranking junior team I think he'd be gone like a hot snot.
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Quote from: haranguerer on January 19, 2012, 01:01:25 PM
As for Mauice fitz, Hes an irrelevance to this argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think Maurice Fitz was ever put off the Kerry panel?? This isnt about team v individual. Val Andrews is perfectly entitled to do what he likes to advance Cavan football. As is Jim McGuinness. But so too should Seanie and Cassidy be allowed to do what they want to play the game they've devoted their lives to. Neither was dropped for tactical reasons, as m fitz was. Another thing, if M Fitz had been put off the panel entirely, I know I for one would have rather saw him play for someone else than not saw him play at all.
not exactly the same but certainly not irrelvant.
If the likes of one of the best players of his generation coul dbe left of the team , then a decent (and he isnt much more than decent as he is marked out of the game all too often I believe) player needs to use the same humility and keep the head down and work for his place like everyone else.
Just like Maurice Fitz did.
This isnt an issue about not getting picked for the panel/team because not considered good enough, or suitable for that team in a tactical sense. If that was the case, then certainly the door would be open, and hard work and good perfromances would pressurise the manager into looking at his selection again. This is a clash. Seanie and Cassidy have both been dropped, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with their performances or style of play. Both are fully entitled to believe that they will not be selected irregardless of their performance.
Remember when Cavan went down to play Cork in the qualifiers a couple of years ago and were more worried about organising a night out than actually putting up some resistance during the game?
They would be one of a small number of counties known for indiscipline and a lack of professionalism in terms of their committment levels.
Are all the managers to blame for that or is there just a hard core of players who want to do things their way?
Some people have talked about Johnston maybe not being great. Johnston is a cracking forward. The reason he can be marked out of games is because he is Cavan's only forward and a defensive system is often adopted to do so. What chance, for example, does he have ploughin a lone furrow against Donegal? In my view he'd be as good as someone like Bernard Brogan if he got more spotlight.
Andrews doesn't seem to have had great success with Cavan. I don't understand why he's there to be honest.
In saying all that though the laws can't be changed for him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 19, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
Andrews doesn't seem to have had great success with Cavan. I don't understand why he's there to be honest.
You could say the same thing about every Cavan manager though since '97 couldn't you.
When Andrews goes, who's going to replace him? What will he do differently?
Well there is that heffo. One post says about the crap managers that Johnston has worked under. I'm not 100% but I think that pretty much reads every manager he ever worked under!
Is this not Andrews second tenure in Cavan though with the first being a disaster or am I mistaken on that? If so why reemploy him?
Not sure what they can do differently but they were in the AI u21 final recently and while they haven't won much at minor there have been several years where they've only been narrowly beaten by eventual all ireland champions. Surely that's bound to bring through some talent?
I find it hard to believe that all their attitudes are so bad they can't progress. Donegal before McGuinness were on the road to nowhere too. There are some handy enough footballers in Cavan.
Andrews first spell was not a disaster. We were in a league div 1 final and an ulster final. Cavan won ulster u21 and minor last yr. The young players are there, is the manager good enough - I don't know.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 19, 2012, 05:40:52 PM
Well there is that heffo. One post says about the crap managers that Johnston has worked under. I'm not 100% but I think that pretty much reads every manager he ever worked under!
Is this not Andrews second tenure in Cavan though with the first being a disaster or am I mistaken on that? If so why reemploy him?
Not sure what they can do differently but they were in the AI u21 final recently and while they haven't won much at minor there have been several years where they've only been narrowly beaten by eventual all ireland champions. Surely that's bound to bring through some talent?
I find it hard to believe that all their attitudes are so bad they can't progress. Donegal before McGuinness were on the road to nowhere too. There are some handy enough footballers in Cavan.
So when Andrews goes either this year or next and the next fella comes in, what does he do differently?
Clearly Andrews is setting his stall out on basing his team around the U21s from last year and some of the minors who've had a decent run. All things being equal clearly Johnson would be a huge part of that. For whatever reason, Andrews decided that Johnson's talent and experience either isn't worth it and any negatives he may bring outweight his talent or he wants to give him a kick up the hole.
Just as a case in point, Bernard Brogan was on course for an All Star and POTY in 2009 until Tom O'Sullivan got a hold of him and he didn't get a sniff in that game. Gilroy wasn't happy with his workrate and so didn't use him at all in the O'Byrne cup in 2010 and left him on the bench for the first four league games. He went on to be POTY in 2010.
Or a different example, Dessie Farrell was dropped abruptly off the Dublin panel by Tommy Lyons - the two had never seen eye to eye and Lyons felt Farrell was a negative presence in the panel. Farrell bitched privately about it but put his head down and was back playing championship later that year.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 19, 2012, 05:52:30 PM
Andrews first spell was not a disaster. We were in a league div 1 final and an ulster final. Cavan won ulster u21 and minor last yr. The young players are there, is the manager good enough - I don't know.
agree but he had 10 of McHughs panel from 97 in that team.
My only problem with Andrews is ive never yet seen him doing anything constructive in a game when things are going wrong and ive watched him closely.
Then listen to him doing an interview and you wonder were you watching the same game as him. plus the fact he hasnt proved himself anywhere at inter county level either at senior or more recently at minor level.
Thats my main problem with him
I wouldn't argue with you on a lot of that Richie but due to the state we are in no manager with a proven track record would touch us with a barge pole. Hence we get Andrews. While he is there he has to be given a chance.
In the 2010 League with Johnston absent we scored more than in the previous and subsequent campaigns with him present.
He was obviously dropped for a reason. A reason Andrews is under no obligation to release to the public. As was said elsewhere, his contract is with the County Board not the Cavan Public.
Johnston is coming out of this looking bad, 4 players were dropped and Johnston is the only one throwing a strop. Doubts remain about his residency in Kildare. He's either reacting badly to this or showing his true colours. Time will tell.
Andrews never does anything constructive? Did he not introduce a debutante last night who scored 5 points along with other players to overturn a 5 point margin?
Johnston had played under crap managers like Keogan, Carr and here he was again playing under another crap one
Ah yes Ritchie, consistency from one Forum to the other, sure it's always the management, eh. not to mention your outher hobby horse, the County Board.
Who was over the u-21's when they got to the all-ireland final?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 19, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
Who was over the u-21's when they got to the all-ireland final?
Terry Hyland
Heffo I don't think Johnston is right here by the way. I just wonder why when you're unsuccessful with a manager do you go back to him - it doesn't make any sense. Now I'm sure there are reasons and all that but even still.
There are ways to react to being dropped as you point out. It looks like he's going the wrong way but from the outside I thought his work rate always looked pretty good. IMO Cavan football needs him. I'm not well enough versed on the subject to really know the full ins and outs though.
Time all this nonsense was put to bed. Been dragging on for far too long.
Is anyone in Cavan talking about this publicly or is it all hushed rumours?
Haven't seen anyone in the papers come out and support Johnston. And why Andrews hasn't just said why he is dropped is beyond me.
One big mess.
So Andrews makes changes and the players are responsible for the victory. Andrews doesn't make changes and Andrews is responsible for defeat. Your bias and refusal to hear a good word said about Andrews or a bad word said about Johnston is staggering Richie..
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Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 19, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
Johnston had played under crap managers like Keogan, Carr and here he was again playing under another crap one
Ah yes Ritchie, consistency from one Forum to the other, sure it's always the management, eh. not to mention your outher hobby horse, the County Board.
we will leave the CB for another day lol..
Don't bother Richie you've posted enough nonsense on that topic over on Hogan Stand to last us all a lifetime. One question you might be able to answer mind, I'm delighted that 4 Gaels lads togged out last night and made a big contribution, any idea of the last time four of the club represented the County in a competitive senior fixture?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 19, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Heffo I don't think Johnston is right here by the way. I just wonder why when you're unsuccessful with a manager do you go back to him - it doesn't make any sense. Now I'm sure there are reasons and all that but even still.
There are ways to react to being dropped as you point out. It looks like he's going the wrong way but from the outside I thought his work rate always looked pretty good. IMO Cavan football needs him. I'm not well enough versed on the subject to really know the full ins and outs though.
Seriously though, who will take the job after Andrews? Genuinely like..
Every manager seems to be ran out of the place every couple of years as know-nothing spoofers, is Mickey Harte or Jack O'Connor going to replace Andrews?
Who takes cavan gaels? They're, relatively, successful.
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 18, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
But if this top class player had the dregs from Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh etc then that team would be stronger and the team would have a chance to succeed... As there is no money involved the same problems as professional sport would not be exactly the same imo
And you don't think that would become a factor if players had complete freedom of movement, transferring clubs and Counties to where free houses or jobs could be provided?
QuoteI just wonder why when you're unsuccessful with a manager do you go back to him - it doesn't make any sense. Now I'm sure there are reasons and all that but even still.
Wasn't it player power that got rid of Andrews the last time? Then Austin.
Richie - Kerrigan only had one term. Andrews left due to a defeated no confidence motion. Coleman was after Andrews then mcilhennon then keoghan and Carr. Austin was after mchugh and outed by the players. Sorry state the whole thing.
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
Rory Gallagher?
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
Kildare have a record that Harry Redknapp would be proud of:
Karl O'Dwyer (Kerry/Kildare)
Brian Lacey (Tipp/Kildare)
Brian Murphy (Cork/Kildare)
Cathal Sheridan (Meath/Kildare)
Garvan Ware (Carlow/Kildare)
John Divilly (Galway/Kildare)
Seámus Moynihan's older brother (Dónal?) also played for Leixlip & Kildare in the late 80s.
Larry Tompkins (Kildare/Cork)
Shay Fahy (Kildare/Cork)
Declan Brennan (Kildare/Derry)
Niall Browne (Kildare/Clare)
Jacko's son Aidan who was on the fringes of the Kerry team a while back played underage for Leixlip. Think he might have featured on a Kildare underage team at some stage.
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2012, 12:22:54 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
Kildare have a record that Harry Redknapp would be proud of:
Karl O'Dwyer (Kerry/Kildare)
Brian Lacey (Tipp/Kildare)
Brian Murphy (Cork/Kildare)
Cathal Sheridan (Meath/Kildare)
Garvan Ware (Carlow/Kildare)
John Divilly (Galway/Kildare)
Seámus Moynihan's older brother (Dónal?) also played for Leixlip & Kildare in the late 80s.
Larry Tompkins (Kildare/Cork)
Shay Fahy (Kildare/Cork)
Declan Brennan (Kildare/Derry)
Niall Browne (Kildare/Clare)
Jacko's son Aidan who was on the fringes of the Kerry team a while back played underage for Leixlip. Think he might have featured on a Kildare underage team at some stage.
Dermot Earley Snr (Roscommon/Kildare)
Never played for Kildare only managed us. David, Dermot jnr and Noelle have all represented Kildare.
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
The Armagh ones that I recall are;
John Donaldson Louth / Armagh
Billy Joe Padden Mayo / Armagh
John Murtagh Armagh / Louth
Conor Gough Armagh (Minors) / Down
There was also a big midfielder who plays for St Brigids who played for Armagh in the McKenna Cup (possibly 2008) then appeared for Antrim in the same competition a couple of years later. Darragh something possibly?
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Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 19, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: Richiej on January 19, 2012, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 19, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
Johnston had played under crap managers like Keogan, Carr and here he was again playing under another crap one
Ah yes Ritchie, consistency from one Forum to the other, sure it's always the management, eh. not to mention your outher hobby horse, the County Board.
we will leave the CB for another day lol..
Don't bother Richie you've posted enough nonsense on that topic over on Hogan Stand to last us all a lifetime. One question you might be able to answer mind, I'm delighted that 4 Gaels lads togged out last night and made a big contribution, any idea of the last time four of the club represented the County in a competitive senior fixture?
Your a fair hand at the auld nonsense yourself but sure arent you entitled to your opinion like the rest of us..
Anyway in answer to your question..................
2004 Against Down 7 gaels players played. That was the highest number i think. Elliott,E Reilly, Crotty, Collins, Lyng, Johnstone, Rabbitt,
Just another piece of useless info lol
So at the same time you as a proud Gaels man have a full time job on two internet fora railing about the treatment meted out to Jelly (and Michael Lyng) four of their clubmates have no problem togging out for the county. Suggests to me Richie that despite the best efforts of yourself and a small number of others to whip it up here, this is nothing like the issue on the ground that you're making it out to be. Perhaps you've been away from Terry Coyle for too long. By the way, absolutely delighted to see the Gaels lads coming through, long may it continue.
Didn't big Dave Kavanagh play for Kildare and then Offaly back in the 90s?
James O'Shea (Foilmore) played for Kerry and Cork (Blasphemy).
PJ Ward played with Westmeath and then Offaly.
Declan Darcy was Leitrim and then Dublin.
That's a couple off the top of my head.
Aidan short - armagh / antrim
Mark mccrory - armagh / antrim
David o'hare - armagh / derry
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 20, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
There was also a big midfielder who plays for St Brigids who played for Armagh in the McKenna Cup (possibly 2008) then appeared for Antrim in the same competition a couple of years later. Darragh something possibly?
Dara Edwards played a few games for Antrim right enough. Off the top of my head going back a few years we had
Liam Turbitt (Tyrone/Antrim)
Adrian McAulfied? (Down/Antrim)
Con Coleman (Galway/Antrim)
Mark McCrory (Armagh?/Antrim)
Aidan Morris (Tyrone/Antrim)
Andy Healy (Tipp/Antrim)
Aidan Shortt (Armagh/Antrim)
Martin O'Neill (Derry/Antrim/Notts Forest/Norwich/OWC/Celtic/Aston Villa/Sunderland) ;)
There's probably a load more. Going the other way there was
Stephen Mulvenna (Antrim/All Ireland Winner with Derry)
Andy McCallin (Antrim's only football All Star/Played a bit of football and hurling with Limerick I believe)
Ciaran Barr (Antrim/Dublin hurling)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2012, 09:44:53 AM
Didn't big Dave Kavanagh play for Kildare and then Offaly back in the 90s?
James O'Shea (Foilmore) played for Kerry and Cork (Blasphemy).
PJ Ward played with Westmeath and then Offaly.
Declan Darcy was Leitrim and then Dublin.
That's a couple off the top of my head.
Indeed he did.
The great Larry Stanley won All-Ireland medals with both Kildare in 1919 and Dublin in 1923. He was also regarded as one of the best high-jumpers in the world having beaten the Olympic champion at Wembley Stadium!
Quote from: AQMP on January 20, 2012, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on January 20, 2012, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
There was also a big midfielder who plays for St Brigids who played for Armagh in the McKenna Cup (possibly 2008) then appeared for Antrim in the same competition a couple of years later. Darragh something possibly?
Dara Edwards played a few games for Antrim right enough. Off the top of my head going back a few years we had
Liam Turbitt (Tyrone/Antrim)
Adrian McAulfied? (Down/Antrim)
Con Coleman (Galway/Antrim)
Mark McCrory (Armagh?/Antrim)
Aidan Morris (Tyrone/Antrim)
Andy Healy (Tipp/Antrim)
Aidan Shortt (Armagh/Antrim)
Martin O'Neill (Derry/Antrim/Notts Forest/Norwich/OWC/Celtic/Aston Villa/Sunderland) ;)
There's probably a load more. Going the other way there was
Stephen Mulvenna (Antrim/All Ireland Winner with Derry)
Andy McCallin (Antrim's only football All Star/Played a bit of football and hurling with Limerick I believe)
Ciaran Barr (Antrim/Dublin hurling)
More recently Dean O'Neil (Tyrone/Antrim) Was then found out not to be eligible to play at all
Willie McSorley (Armagh/Antrim)
Ryan Daly (Monaghan/Antrim)
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
Padden was the most high-profile one to leave Mayo in recent years but there were a few others.
Alan Costello plays for Sligo now but played senior for Mayo and Austin O'Malley was a county regular for years before switching allegiances to Wicklow.
Didn't Martin Carney, the analyst, play for Donegal and Mayo as well. And was there a lad in the late 80's team too? Finnerty or something?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
Didn't Martin Carney, the analyst, play for Donegal and Mayo as well. And was there a lad in the late 80's team too? Finnerty or something?
Pádraig Brogan might be the lad you're thinking of AZ.
Vinny Murphy lined out for the Kerry hurlers didn't he? Billy Sheehan played underage for Kerry. Thomas Walsh crossed the Carlow/Wicklow divide!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 20, 2012, 12:42:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
Didn't Martin Carney, the analyst, play for Donegal and Mayo as well. And was there a lad in the late 80's team too? Finnerty or something?
Pádraig Brogan might be the lad you're thinking of AZ.
Vinny Murphy lined out for the Kerry hurlers didn't he? Billy Sheehan played underage for Kerry. Thomas Walsh crossed the Carlow/Wicklow divide!
That's him DH. I think you're right about big Vinny too :)
Shane King played for Fermanagh then Down...
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/920000/images/_923645_shane300.jpg) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/radioulster/sundaysportsound/media/dbda7620001249ad8268437059b4ddbbshane_king_main.jpg)
Has anyone played for three counties?
Seanie is a poor mans Larry Reilly!!!
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 02:16:24 PM
Has anyone played for three counties?
Rory Gallagher played for Fermanagh & Cavan and played club football in Dublin, Cavan, Fermanagh & Antrim. Openly touted himself to Dublin - thankfully it went nowhere.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 20, 2012, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 19, 2012, 11:38:28 PM
As a matter of interest, have their been many inter-county footballers who have changed county allegience in the last 20 years (having played for both counties)? Antrim have a few although some hadn't played for their home county at senior level. Padden etc.
Padden was the most high-profile one to leave Mayo in recent years but there were a few others.
Alan Costello plays for Sligo now but played senior for Mayo and Austin O'Malley was a county regular for years before switching allegiances to Wicklow.
Not sure if these two were mentioned but Dan O'Neill & Seamie O'Donnell played for Mayo ( winning a national league ) before winning an all ireland with Louth in 1957
I know Stefan White played for Louth and Monaghan, did he play with Down at all during his spell with Burren?
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 02:16:24 PM
Has anyone played for three counties?
This fella? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZIX_nLFxI&feature=related)
(Apologies to all music lovers.)
Quote from: Hardy on January 20, 2012, 02:35:59 PM
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 02:16:24 PM
Has anyone played for three counties?
This fella? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmZIX_nLFxI&feature=related)
(Apologies to all music lovers.)
You're one evil hoor releasing thon pestilence on the board members >:(
Ban Hardy.....
(http://forum.football365.com/images/smilies/witchhunt.gif)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
Martin Carney, the analyst
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/chimplaugh.png)
3 seems to be the magic number.
Mickey Moran
Paidi O'Shea
John O'Mahoney
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 20, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
3 seems to be the magic number.
Mickey Moran
Paidi O'Shea
John O'Mahoney
John Maughan has 4:
Clare
Mayo
Fermanagh
Roscommon
Mickey Moran has managed 5 inter county teams that I can think of
Derry
Donegal
Leitrim
Mayo
Sligo
Quote from: Tubberman on January 20, 2012, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 20, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
3 seems to be the magic number.
Mickey Moran
Paidi O'Shea
John O'Mahoney
John Maughan has 4:
Clare
Mayo
Fermanagh
Roscommon
Tommy Carr:
Dublin
Roscommon
Cavan
Quote from: Breffni_Yank on January 20, 2012, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 20, 2012, 04:23:03 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 20, 2012, 04:20:44 PM
3 seems to be the magic number.
Mickey Moran
Paidi O'Shea
John O'Mahoney
John Maughan has 4:
Clare
Mayo
Fermanagh
Roscommon
Tommy Carr:
Dublin
Roscommon
Cavan
Westmeath minors (unfortunately)
Tommy Carr also played football for Tipperary and Dublin.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
Didn't Martin Carney, the analyst, play for Donegal and Mayo as well. And was there a lad in the late 80's team too? Finnerty or something?
He did & are you thinking of Padraig Brogan? the man who left Donegal in early 1992 missing out on Senior All Ireland.
Our current manager Des Newton as player with Roscommon,Donegal won Connacht & Ulster championship medals.
How many feckin times has Val Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndrews managed Cavan.
Jesus - his drone on the wireless is worse than Micky Ned's.
Quote from: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 02:16:24 PM
Has anyone played for three counties?
Aidan McCarron has played for Tyrone, New York and Fermanagh.
Mickey Rea played for Antrim didn't he, not sure if he ever made a Tyrone starting 15 although he might have got a run out in the McKenna cup before but doubt it.
I suppose Johnny Murtagh will join that elusive 'Club Trois' when he strips out for Louth then.
He will along with PJ Ward.
Did Gareth Mc Girr play for Antrim? I know he was with St Galls. He played senior with Tyrone.
'McGeeney would welcome Johnston on board.'
http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-would-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-would-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/)
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
'McGeeney would welcome Johnston on board.'
http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-would-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-wouldn-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/)
The last paragraph is where Johnston will fall short.
Did Aiden Morris he play for Tyrone?
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 21, 2012, 06:40:26 PM
Did Aiden Morris he play for Tyrone?
He did indeed, half back .
Antrim too so I guess he's in the 2 county club.
Liam Kearns has a right few as manager too.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 21, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
'McGeeney would welcome Johnston on board.'
http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-would-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-wouldn-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/)
The last paragraph is where Johnston will fall short.
I dunno.
He obviously wants him there.
The last paragraph is probably for the benefit of the other players who'd probably feel a bit miffed if he was parachuted in.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2012, 07:04:56 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 21, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 21, 2012, 02:37:08 PM
'McGeeney would welcome Johnston on board.'
http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-would-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/ (http://www.setanta.com/ie/Articles/2012/01/21/McGeeney-wouldn-welcome-Johnston-on-board/gnid-127099/)
The last paragraph is where Johnston will fall short.
I dunno.
He obviously wants him there.
The last paragraph is probably for the benefit of the other players who'd probably feel a bit miffed if he was parachuted in.
Y'er dead right about the last paragraph.
No doubt about it, the last bit is designed to placate any Kildare lads who might get the hump if Seanie was parachuted in.
Of course what he actually says makes perfect sense; Seanie will need to claim a place on merit if he is to make a name for himself as a flourbag.
IMO, McGeeney headhunted Johnston. Since the days of Mick O'Dwyer Kildare has been badly stuck for top class forwards and Seanie's arrival would take a lot of weight off Johnny Doyle's shoulders.
Now, if Dermot Earley is fit enough to play midfield this summer and so allow Doyle to move inside to link up with the 'blow in,' Geezer might be in with a realistic chance of going the full distance in September.
He has made a club transfer request according to morning news.
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
Did he get another "address" ;D
Wil St Kevin's be nearer his job in Cavan town?
Who is paying his travel bill?
Whole thing reflects badly on all involved.
I'm sure he has to prove now that he has an address in St Kevins or that he is living in the town? Will his K club address hold up for the transfer purposes?
This is the way it should have been done at the start.
Now Sean will have to fight for his position in the Kildare team.
Seanie will be a popular boy round Cavan Gaels.
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 24, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
This is the way it should have been done at the start.
Now Sean will have to fight for his position in the Kildare team.
+1
Fair is fair. He has moved club and county like many others have done.
+2 No issue with this from his point of view. This is what he should have done first off. Only Kildare will know if they promised him anything to tempt him to move, in terms of playing time or whatever, but that's a matter for Geezer and his team.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 24, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
This is the way it should have been done at the start.
Now Sean will have to fight for his position in the Kildare team.
+1
Fair is fair. He has moved club and county like many others have done.
+2 No issue with this from his point of view. This is what he should have done first off. Only Kildare will know if they promised him anything to tempt him to move, in terms of playing time or whatever, but that's a matter for Geezer and his team.
It's also a matter for Kildare County Board. They are responsible for the long term development of Kildare football and will be there when McGeeney has moved on. Is this their policy on how to develop players in the county ???
Quote from: hardstation on January 24, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on January 24, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
This is the way it should have been done at the start.
Now Sean will have to fight for his position in the Kildare team.
+1
Fair is fair. He has moved club and county like many others have done.
+3. Nothing more to see here. Good luck to him in his time in Kildare.
Most people who move club and County do so because they are working and living a long way from home.
More often than not they've got married and settled in the new club area /County and want to avoid the long trek home for training etc.
This does not appear to be the casewith Seanie J.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
I think you are right. If I were a betting man I would say he will be a failure in Kildare. His arrogance and self importance are his biggest flaws and they will come with him. I expect he will be a disruptive influence on your panel. Remember, this is a guy who walks out on his club just to play for a random county like Kildare to which he has absolutely no allegiance. I'm glad he is Kildares problem now (no offence to Kildare, a great GAA county) and Cavan are better off without him.
Would he even make Kildares 1st 15? he is going to look like a right bollocks if Geezer doesnt like what he sees
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Anyhow this leaves a bad taste in mine and many Kildare supporters mouths and DH sentiments are the exact same as mine.
If he makes it on to the Kildare Team I will give him my support but the Kildare crowd can be vicious (just ask Martin Lynch) and he will have to prove himself. It's like the Larry Tompkins saga in reverse.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Anyhow this leaves a bad taste in mine and many Kildare supporters mouths and DH sentiments are the exact same as mine.
If he makes it on to the Kildare Team I will give him my support but the Kildare crowd can be vicious (just ask Martin Lynch) and he will have to prove himself. It's like the Larry Tompkins saga in reverse.
The bright lights of Staplestown - I doubt he realises what he's letting himself in for!! :D
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 11:19:42 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Anyhow this leaves a bad taste in mine and many Kildare supporters mouths and DH sentiments are the exact same as mine.
If he makes it on to the Kildare Team I will give him my support but the Kildare crowd can be vicious (just ask Martin Lynch) and he will have to prove himself. It's like the Larry Tompkins saga in reverse.
The bright lights of Staplestown - I doubt he realises what he's letting himself in for!! :D
:)
But on serious note Kevin's would have some tidy young footballers coming through, look at Tom Barron for example has been playing minor and u/21, working his bollix off to make it and some lad from Cavan who will rarely play for Kevin's gets an opportunity ahead of him with Kildare all because of a fall-out with his Cavan manager and putting himself out there for any other county to pick him up. McGeeney has got this badly wrong. So annoying urghh!!
Quote from: Richiej on January 24, 2012, 11:05:02 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2012, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
I think you are right. If I were a betting man I would say he will be a failure in Kildare. His arrogance and self importance are his biggest flaws and they will come with him. I expect he will be a disruptive influence on your panel. Remember, this is a guy who walks out on his club just to play for a random county like Kildare to which he has absolutely no allegiance. I'm glad he is Kildares problem now (no offence to Kildare, a great GAA county) and Cavan are better off without him.
Come on Myles! Cavan posters really worried about Johnston walking out on the Gaels?? Give me a break!! Most posters on Cavan Thread dont like the Gaels so why are they so caring now about him walking out on his club??
I have no problem with the Gaels. I've supported them on their Ulster club campaigns and I know all the lads on the Cavan thread on Gaaboard are the same. You might be mixing us up with hoganstand?
QuoteWould he even make Kildares 1st 15? he is going to look like a right bollocks if Geezer doesnt like what he sees
Are you serious? Seanie Johnston is a class act. One of the best forwards about! Good free taker, both footed and fast. And i think geezer might know what he is like. He has already said he will have to prove his worth but we all know hes a class act.
Quote from: intheknowhow on January 24, 2012, 11:33:36 AM
QuoteWould he even make Kildares 1st 15? he is going to look like a right bollocks if Geezer doesnt like what he sees
Are you serious? Seanie Johnston is a class act. One of the best forwards about! Good free taker, both footed and fast. And i think geezer might know what he is like. He has already said he will have to prove his worth but we all know hes a class act.
He is a decent player, i wouldnt say he is a class act, he is the type of player who always has his wing mirrors clean, this will not sit with Geezers set up
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 11:28:09 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 11:19:42 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Anyhow this leaves a bad taste in mine and many Kildare supporters mouths and DH sentiments are the exact same as mine.
If he makes it on to the Kildare Team I will give him my support but the Kildare crowd can be vicious (just ask Martin Lynch) and he will have to prove himself. It's like the Larry Tompkins saga in reverse.
The bright lights of Staplestown - I doubt he realises what he's letting himself in for!! :D
:)
But on serious note Kevin's would have some tidy young footballers coming through, look at Tom Barron for example has been playing minor and u/21, working his bollix off to make it and some lad from Cavan who will rarely play for Kevin's gets an opportunity ahead of him with Kildare all because of a fall-out with his Cavan manager and putting himself out there for any other county to pick him up. McGeeney has got this badly wrong. So annoying urghh!!
That's what really irks me.
The u21s are flying in challenge matches by all accounts. They gave Wexford a good hiding in Hawkfield at the weekend without Dowling, Hurley and Fogarty. The likes of Cian Bolton, Reynolds and Mulhall aren't a million miles away from the standard required but they're not going to get a chance now that Johnston is on board. Some of the exciteable crowd on the Kildare forum are lsing the run of themselves completely thinking he's going to be the second coming of Larry Stanley. I'd be far more excited if Kevin Feely was to commit to football or if Paul Cribbin was returning home from Australia. They're the future of Kildare football.
Ultimately anything Kildare win with Seanie Johnston on the team will be tainted.
For shame. :(
Just out of interest what grade are St. Kevins?
Was told last week that Johnston has no intention of playing with the club he joins. He is still living in Cavan so will simply living the life of an 'inter-county' footballer which he clearly desperately wants
I have to say I find the choice of going to St Kevins intriguing - I thought he said he was living in Straffan?
Anyway, it's not exactly the kind of club a glory hunter would choose, which is a point in Johnston's favour. All that said, I remain of the belief that a lot of what Kildare have achieved is on the back of a large group of players buying into McGeeney's ethos and committing themselves wholeheartedly to the system. When that sense of spirit and commitment is so important, it's a huge move to introduce a new breed into the ecosystem.
Honestly, I was all set to place a decent sized bet on Kildare for the All Ireland this year. It's purely my opinion, but I would think twice on account of this.
Quote from: Breffni_Yank on January 24, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Just out of interest what grade are St. Kevins?
Was told last week that Johnston has no intention of playing with the club he joins. He is still living in Cavan so will simply living the life of an 'inter-county' footballer which he clearly desperately wants
They're senior but they wouldn't exactly be known as the most fashionable club in Kildare and they'd have no ambitions of actually winning the county championship.
Niall Carew (Kildare selector and only Kildare native in the management team) is a Kevin's man. People can draw their own conclusions from that...
Johnson will start every game for Kildare in the Championship i would imagine - whether he earns it or not for one very good reason - he is a reliable free taker and a left footed one at that. It will end the sight of Doyle / o'flaherty / kavanagh swinging the outside of the right boot at frees tight on the right hand side!
Quote from: Breffni_Yank on January 24, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Just out of interest what grade are St. Kevins?
Was told last week that Johnston has no intention of playing with the club he joins. He is still living in Cavan so will simply living the life of an 'inter-county' footballer which he clearly desperately wants
If he is still living in Cavan, how can he get a transfer to any club in Kildare or any other county. It is by no means certain that any transfer from Cavan Gaels to St. Kevin's will be passed by the relevant County Boards.
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 24, 2012, 11:52:45 AM
Johnson will start every game for Kildare in the Championship i would imagine - whether he earns it or not for one very good reason - he is a reliable free taker and a left footed one at that. It will end the sight of Doyle / o'flaherty / kavanagh swinging the outside of the right boot at frees tight on the right hand side!
He is right footed!
Sad times when a lad is willing to pass on a club career because he is so desperate to play for a fashionable county.
Everyone knows he won't be living in Kildare. I have a funny feeling the club will hardly see him.
Quote from: Onlooker on January 24, 2012, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Breffni_Yank on January 24, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
Just out of interest what grade are St. Kevins?
Was told last week that Johnston has no intention of playing with the club he joins. He is still living in Cavan so will simply living the life of an 'inter-county' footballer which he clearly desperately wants
If he is still living in Cavan, how can he get a transfer to any club in Kildare or any other county. It is by no means certain that any transfer from Cavan Gaels to St. Kevin's will be passed by the relevant County Boards.
Correct.
The whole thing makes me a little uncomfortable.
I could accept Bryan Murphy and Karl O'Dwyer playing for us because both were committed to living in Kildare and had been discarded by counties that always have strong football teams, with zero hope of ever playing for those counties again.. Murphy is committed to Kildare to this day, for example.
With SJ, it smacks a little more of taking advantage of an internal row in Cavan by poaching their most talented forward - and as Kildare people, we all know how bad that felt when Larry Tompkins went to Cork.
I'm not sure how I'll feel if he's starting in the championship. I wouldn't go as far as to say that anything we win would be tainted, but I would prefer to see 15 Kildare men on the pitch, particularly at a time when we're producing a lot of promising young players and have a strong U21 team.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on January 24, 2012, 12:45:39 PM
The whole thing makes me a little uncomfortable.
I could accept Bryan Murphy and Karl O'Dwyer playing for us because both were committed to living in Kildare and had been discarded by counties that always have strong football teams, with zero hope of ever playing for those counties again.. Murphy is committed to Kildare to this day, for example.
With SJ, it smacks a little more of taking advantage of an internal row in Cavan by poaching their most talented forward - and as Kildare people, we all know how bad that felt when Larry Tompkins went to Cork.
I'm not sure how I'll feel if he's starting in the championship. I wouldn't go as far as to say that anything we win would be tainted, but I would prefer to see 15 Kildare men on the pitch, particularly at a time when we're producing a lot of promising young players and have a strong U21 team.
It really is two fingers to someone like Ken Donnelly who has worked his arse off to get back from injury. No doubt that he's not as talented as Johnston but I think most right minded people within the county would prefer to see a lad like him getting a jersey because he would have earned it.
Big mistake - seems to be totally at odds with the ethos McGeeney seemed to be instilling in Kildare. I heard a Kildare player being interviewed on the radio on Sunday (didn't catch his name). I got the feeling he wasn't all that impressed. Just a feeling, but he said a couple of things that contributed to it - first, that the players didn't know much about it, second that he'd be grand with good new players coming in, but that everyone on the Kildare panel has to knuckle down, put in the graft, etc. - words to that effect - I'm paraphrasing. But why would he feel the need to say that if there wasn't a sense of the superstar being parachuted in?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
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Quote from: Denn Forever on January 24, 2012, 09:46:35 AM
This is the way it should have been done at the start.
Now Sean will have to fight for his position in the Kildare team.
+1
Fair is fair. He has moved club and county like many others have done.
+2 No issue with this from his point of view. This is what he should have done first off. Only Kildare will know if they promised him anything to tempt him to move, in terms of playing time or whatever, but that's a matter for Geezer and his team.
I don't necessarily think this should be the end of it. Without having any personal knowledge of the issue, it would appear that there is a huge level of scepticism as to whether Johnston's "residence" in County Kildare is anything more than a ruse to qualify him for a transfer. If this is the case then Cavan Gaels and the Cavan County Board have every right to oppose the transfer and if Johnston can't establish that he is genuinely living in Kildare than the transfer should not be sanctioned.
Is this the first transfer of the GAA's new January window? ;)
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2012, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
I think you are right. If I were a betting man I would say he will be a failure in Kildare. His arrogance and self importance are his biggest flaws and they will come with him. I expect he will be a disruptive influence on your panel. Remember, this is a guy who walks out on his club just to play for a random county like Kildare to which he has absolutely no allegiance. I'm glad he is Kildares problem now (no offence to Kildare, a great GAA county) and Cavan are better off without him.
You're forgetting he was forced to walk out on his club. Thats what this thread was about - should he be allowed to move co without transferrign club. And the vast majority said hell no. well, now he has moved club, as he has had to to play inter co football. Given that the vast majority said he couldnt transfer counties unless he did this, its a bit rich to give out when he does just this.
Quote from: NAG1 on January 24, 2012, 01:39:06 PM
Is this the first transfer of the GAA's new January window? ;)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And on a Bosman ruling as well. Bargain!
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2012, 10:58:27 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 24, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
St Kevins? This whole episode just gets more and more bizarre.
I'm very disappointed with the senior management over this and I think it could be a major error of judgement on McGeeney's part. I would prefer to see the likes of Dowling, Fogarty, Hurley or Eaton get a run instead of this lad and I think this could create serious disharmony within the squad. Plenty of lads on that Kildare panel have burst a gut over the past few seasons with little reward and they're not going to be pleased if they get usurped by some lad from Cavan who could be gone again by this time next year.
The whole thing stinks and it is not a good day for Kildare football. Why bother with developing young players through the underage structure if this is the route we're going to go down? We should have more faith in our own.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
>:(
I think you are right. If I were a betting man I would say he will be a failure in Kildare. His arrogance and self importance are his biggest flaws and they will come with him. I expect he will be a disruptive influence on your panel. Remember, this is a guy who walks out on his club just to play for a random county like Kildare to which he has absolutely no allegiance. I'm glad he is Kildares problem now (no offence to Kildare, a great GAA county) and Cavan are better off without him.
You're forgetting he was forced to walk out on his club. Thats what this thread was about - should he be allowed to move co without transferrign club. And the vast majority said hell no. well, now he has moved club, as he has had to to play inter co football. Given that the vast majority said he couldnt transfer counties unless he did this, its a bit rich to give out when he does just this.
He wasn't forced to walk out on his
club - bullshit of the highest order. He had a choice and he made it and now he can live with the consequences.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
Maybe but somebody set him up with an address and somebody is setting him up with a club and I doubt McGeeney organised those personally so you have to think he was onto somebody in officialdom to get those things done. Or has anybody said to McGeeney that fasttracking Johnstone into the Kildare setup might not look so good. Maybe they are just giving McGeeney a lot of free reign?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
Maybe but somebody set him up with an address and somebody is setting him up with a club and I doubt McGeeney organised those personally so you have to think he was onto somebody in officialdom to get those things done. Or has anybody said to McGeeney that fasttracking Johnstone into the Kildare setup might not look so good. Maybe they are just giving McGeeney a lot of free reign?
DH put it together earlier on, Niall Carew is McGeeney's right hand man, he's a St Kevins man too. He's not a Kildare official.
Seemingly SJ will be involved with the Kildare Juniors first of all...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
McGeeney will take any player that he thinks could help win games and possibly Leinster and AI championship. IMO Kildare possibly already have the players but again imo mcgeeney reckons that a high profile proven scoring forward like johnston might be the final piece - even though it could be more reputation that wins him handy frees or makes competition for places even keener.
most managers wouldnt turn that down.
Kildare might not have as many 'star' players as some of theother squads but they play a great team oriented brand of football. I dont think this will upset the balance - esp as its so early in the season.
St Kevins is some spot alright - a massive parish that houses donadea forrest, the bog, and the infamous coill dubh - that used to be somewhere between beruit and granard on the rough/bleak town scale!!Its quietened down these days, the locals are actually decent but nuts.
LB, you might as well extend that to Clogherinkoe and Johnstown Bridge - all lula's in that part of the world...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
Maybe but somebody set him up with an address and somebody is setting him up with a club and I doubt McGeeney organised those personally so you have to think he was onto somebody in officialdom to get those things done. Or has anybody said to McGeeney that fasttracking Johnstone into the Kildare setup might not look so good. Maybe they are just giving McGeeney a lot of free reign?
DH put it together earlier on, Niall Carew is McGeeney's right hand man, he's a St Kevins man too. He's not a Kildare official.
Seemingly SJ will be involved with the Kildare Juniors first of all...
How can Seanie Johnston play for Kildare Juniors if he played Senior Football for Cavan or Cavan Gaels last year.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
He wasn't forced to walk out on his club - bullshit of the highest order. He had a choice and he made it and now he can live with the consequences.
He wanted to stay with his club, did he not? Yet he also wanted to play intercounty football; naturally, hes good enough so of course he wants to play his sport at the highest level.
However, he couldnt both stay with his club and play intercounty football, that was made pretty clear too, so the rules
did force him out of his club. His choice was to play at the highest level or not, he made the right one, imo its just a pity it meant he had to leave his club.
Quote from: Onlooker on January 24, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
Maybe but somebody set him up with an address and somebody is setting him up with a club and I doubt McGeeney organised those personally so you have to think he was onto somebody in officialdom to get those things done. Or has anybody said to McGeeney that fasttracking Johnstone into the Kildare setup might not look so good. Maybe they are just giving McGeeney a lot of free reign?
DH put it together earlier on, Niall Carew is McGeeney's right hand man, he's a St Kevins man too. He's not a Kildare official.
Seemingly SJ will be involved with the Kildare Juniors first of all...
How can Seanie Johnston play for Kildare Juniors if he played Senior Football for Cavan or Cavan Gaels last year.
Kildare Juniors like many County Juniors allow senior players.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:53:02 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 01:58:02 PM
Anyone feel Kildare are being a bit too proactive in trying to recruit Johnstone here. McGeeney seems to be welcoming him with open arms more or less while mouthing a few platitudes like "he'll have to earn his spot", etc. It seems fairly obvious that there has been "transfer talks" for lack of a better word between McGeeney, Kildare officials and Johnstone. Maybe if they said well we'll consider him after he's been here for a while and played some football for his new club but the whole thing seems a fairly transparent attempt to get Johnstone straight into the Kildare squad asap. Just doesn't seem right really. A county with the population of Kildare shouldn't really have to entertain blow-ins no matter how tempting it is.
I think the fact that he didn't he have an established address tells me that Kildare officials weren't that heavily involved, it sounds like a conversation was had between SJ and KmcG. It then grew legs, I don't think they were proactive at all they are just been reactive to a player looking to join up with them and obviously from reading the Cavan thread their current county set-up is not ideal whereas everyone knows KmcG runs a super ship on a par with Dublin and Kerry. I just think KMcG has handled this all wrong and doesn't know the Kildare mind set at all. Haven't meet anyone bar a few internet warriors who think this is a good thing.
Maybe but somebody set him up with an address and somebody is setting him up with a club and I doubt McGeeney organised those personally so you have to think he was onto somebody in officialdom to get those things done. Or has anybody said to McGeeney that fasttracking Johnstone into the Kildare setup might not look so good. Maybe they are just giving McGeeney a lot of free reign?
DH put it together earlier on, Niall Carew is McGeeney's right hand man, he's a St Kevins man too. He's not a Kildare official.
Seemingly SJ will be involved with the Kildare Juniors first of all...
If the whole thing was being done properly then he'd be playing for Straffan what with him living there and all.........
Reflects very badly on the senior management. I can think of a number of individuals who will not be best pleased with all this.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
He wasn't forced to walk out on his club - bullshit of the highest order. He had a choice and he made it and now he can live with the consequences.
He wanted to stay with his club, did he not? Yet he also wanted to play intercounty football; naturally, hes good enough so of course he wants to play his sport at the highest level.
However, he couldnt both stay with his club and play intercounty football, that was made pretty clear too, so the rules did force him out of his club. His choice was to play at the highest level or not, he made the right one, imo its just a pity it meant he had to leave his club.
The rules forced him to make a decision. They did not force him to decide one way or the other - he did that for himself. If you, or anyone else, don't like the rules then put forward a motion at your club that a player from anywhere in Ireland should be allowed play for any county they feel like. If it is popular it will get to congress for a vote. Such a ridiculous motion of course wouldn't even get support at your club most likely.
Does the Gaels twitter mean that Seanie didn't even bother to tell them what he was doing?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 24, 2012, 03:38:01 PM
Quote from: Onlooker on January 24, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
How can Seanie Johnston play for Kildare Juniors if he played Senior Football for Cavan or Cavan Gaels last year.
Kildare Juniors like many County Juniors allow senior players.
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good question.
Maybe the rules have changed since , but it used to be that if you played club senior championship (irrespective of county) you couldnt play junior or intermediate if you switched clubs to another county - you had to play for the senior championship team.
The rule also was that you couldnt play for a county junior squad either if you had played senior club football.
maybe that changed.
Btw Dinny - i'll see your cloughs and Jtb and raise you ellistown,nurney ,grange and the two aces... Rathangan and monesterevin !!!!
My understading is that he'll be training and playing challenge matches with the juniors at first. Johnny Doyle and Mick Foley lined out for the Kildare juniors in a challenge match against the Cavan seniors at the weekend but neither would be eligible to play for the juniors come their championship.
Some quotes from today's edition of the
Leinster Leader:
- "The club will not stand in his way. Val Andrews has a lot to answer for. He should be man enough to meet (Johnston) face to face and thrash out any problems there were between the two."
Cavan Gaels' Secretary - "Seánie Johnston has chosen to transfer to St Kevins and we are delighted to have him. He will be a huge addition and will bring invaluable experience to the team."
St Kevin's PRO
Makes no odds to me where Johnston comes from. He wasnt wanted by his own county and now he wants to play with Kildare so lets have him, we need as many forwards as we can get. And for those who are against the move, you must remember that our manager is not from Kildare either, so whats the difference?
Quote from: LilySavage on January 24, 2012, 05:18:54 PM
Makes no odds to me where Johnston comes from. He wasnt wanted by his own county and now he wants to play with Kildare so lets have him, we need as many forwards as we can get. And for those who are against the move, you must remember that our manager is not from Kildare either, so whats the difference?
That's the English Premiership mentality that sadly seems to be evident here. "Our own lads aren't good enough, lets get someone else from outside in so."
Have we no pride?
Kerry were a moderate enough team during the 1990s but you didn't see them turning to Vinnie Murphy who was available to them at the time. Likewise Dublin with the Gallaghers during the last decade (granted their hurlers seem to be governed by different rules). Recent results suggest that Meath are a bit behind Kildare and Dublin in Leinster but you don't see them turning to outside players in an effort to bridge the gap and more power to them. Showing faith in our own young players now will be far more beneficial in the long term.
Johnston is a quality player as anyone who saw him give Andrew McLoughlin a good roasting in 2008 in Newbridge wil testify. Is he that much better than Kavanagh, Smith, O'Flaherty, Conway or Callaghan though? You'd swear those lads couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo going on some of the nonsense you'd read. I certainly don't think he is half the forward that Johnny Doyle is. Is he willing to burst a gut for Kildare? The comments of Cavan posters suggest not.
As a Kildare supporter I hope this works out and is a success. I can't help but feel though that it really is showing the two fingers to a lot of the fringe players who have worked their way through the Kildare system. The younger lads might not be good enough, but how will we ever know if they're sitting on the bench when Johnston is out on the pitch? Johnston could be off playing for another club or county this time next year and maybe some of our own lads will have walked away from it by then.
I wonder what the transfer fee is? Seanie J seems to have agreed personnel terms anyway.
Let's hope McGeeney isn't the Harry Redknapp of the GAA world.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 24, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 24, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
He wasn't forced to walk out on his club - bullshit of the highest order. He had a choice and he made it and now he can live with the consequences.
He wanted to stay with his club, did he not? Yet he also wanted to play intercounty football; naturally, hes good enough so of course he wants to play his sport at the highest level.
However, he couldnt both stay with his club and play intercounty football, that was made pretty clear too, so the rules did force him out of his club. His choice was to play at the highest level or not, he made the right one, imo its just a pity it meant he had to leave his club.
The club comes first.
Always.
It's some joke if he transfers to St Kevins and doesn't play for them.
Was Cavan Gaels Johnston's original club or had he played for a smaller team in Cavan before that?
Always with Cavan Gaels.
This is a complete joke! Correct me if I'm wrong but Johnston is a teacher working in Cavan who plays with Cavan Gaels who wants to transfer to Kildare while staying living and working in Cavan?
Would love to understand how this is within the rules or the spirit of the rules the GAA operates around. It also shows that Kildare Gaa continue to have no shame in how they operate their senior county team.
Inter county transfers are questionable enough as it is. This makes a mockery .of the GAA! Johnston himself is nothing but a two faced mercenary!
No good will come of this, mark my words.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 24, 2012, 11:16:30 PM
This is a complete joke! Correct me if I'm wrong but Johnston is a teacher working in Cavan who plays with Cavan Gaels who wants to transfer to Kildare while staying living and working in Cavan?
Would love to understand how this is within the rules or the spirit of the rules the GAA operates around. It also shows that Kildare Gaa continue to have no shame in how they operate their senior county team.
Inter county transfers are questionable enough as it is. This makes a mockery .of the GAA! Johnston himself is nothing but a two faced mercenary!
Surely this cant be the case? If so how can it be sanctioned withing the rules as Hill 16 asks?
He lives and works in Cavan but he has now got a kildare address (we can only guess who organised that for him?). Maybe he is going to live there and drive to Cavan but I doubt it. Its not like VRT where the customs can do spot checks to see where someone is normally resident. The GAA have to take him at his word to some extent.
If he was the documentation to prove residency I don't see how kkb can turn this down. Those speculating that the address is bogus have no basis to support that assumption and nor can kkb if the boxes are ticked.
The only thing I'd wonder about is that if his address is in straffan, surerly kkb would have to dictate that this is where he should play?
This could very well become a more regular occurance at county level - particularly if destination countires are able to organise employment in the current climate.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2012, 08:17:00 AM
He lives and works in Cavan but he has now got a kildare address (we can only guess who organised that for him?). Maybe he is going to live there and drive to Cavan but I doubt it. Its not like VRT where the customs can do spot checks to see where someone is normally resident. The GAA have to take him at his word to some extent.
Oh ffs...its an amateur game for chissake. Theres enough mini hitlers running round without a crowd of pricks calling to your door to check you live where you said you did.
And its
not a ridiculous proposal to let anyone play wherever to f**k they want and it
will come in, whenever everyone cops on and realises that people deserve the right of free choice
So will he claim his mileage allowance for travelling to training from the school or from his new address in Straffen?
Will he be given Gym membership in Straffen or in Cavan?
He'll be transferring back to Cavan Gaels in the summer. The Kildare club transfer is just a marriage of convenience.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 25, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2012, 08:17:00 AM
He lives and works in Cavan but he has now got a kildare address (we can only guess who organised that for him?). Maybe he is going to live there and drive to Cavan but I doubt it. Its not like VRT where the customs can do spot checks to see where someone is normally resident. The GAA have to take him at his word to some extent.
Oh ffs...its an amateur game for chissake. Theres enough mini hitlers running round without a crowd of pricks calling to your door to check you live where you said you did.
And its not a ridiculous proposal to let anyone play wherever to f**k they want and it will come in, whenever everyone cops on and realises that people deserve the right of free choice
haranguerer, you obviously dont subscribe to the current ethos of the GAA which is entirely based on representing the parish/community and county. Maybe you feel that the notion of "belonging" to a particular locality or county is outdated and belongs with the dinosaurs. Thats your right. But I think you will find that a lot of people in the GAA do attach great importance to these ideals and believe that the association would lose something valuable if it abandoned them.
Personally, I have no gripe with soccer, but I find it very hard to have any real attachment to my local leinster senior league club who field a large section of paid players from Dublin city and other areas in their team. I would never like to see the GAA go down this road. If SJ and KE achieve their objective then I think it sets a precedent that will lead to the situation you espouse.
Paddy Power's view on the whole saga:
To play for Kildare during the League 2012 1/8
To start 1st championship match v Offaly in 2012 evens
To Win an All Ireland playing for Kildare 5/2
To Win an All Star in 2012 11/2
To play v Cavan in Championship 2012 11/2
To kiss the Kildare jersey during Championship 2012* 16/1
To be top scorer in Championship 2012 18/1
To be Footballer of the Year 2012 33/1
St Kevins to win Kildare Senior Championship 2012 50/1
I see the "whats the problem with Seanie Johnson" has been removed from the Hoganstand.com/cavan website. It was 11 or 12 pages long.
If he's not on the squad, then he mustn't be good enough! Yap up! Get the head down and try and play your way into his plans. Hate yaps like that.
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 25, 2012, 10:16:11 AM
Paddy Power's view on the whole saga:
To play for Kildare during the League 2012 1/8
To start 1st championship match v Offaly in 2012 evens
To Win an All Ireland playing for Kildare 5/2
To Win an All Star in 2012 11/2
To play v Cavan in Championship 2012 11/2
To kiss the Kildare jersey during Championship 2012* 16/1
To be top scorer in Championship 2012 18/1
To be Footballer of the Year 2012 33/1
St Kevins to win Kildare Senior Championship 2012 50/1
I'll lay 500/1 to any amount if anyone's interested!
If a man was so inclined, there'd be a few bob there for Seanie's mates to pick up on the 16/1 kiss. Doesn't impact the game in any way.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2012, 10:52:44 AM
If a man was so inclined, there'd be a few bob there for Seanie's mates to pick up on the 16/1 kiss. Doesn't impact the game in any way.
I'd vomit.
I would too if I had to kiss a Kildare jersey :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
I would too if I had to kiss a Kildare jersey :D
You're holding out for the Maroon...
Quote from: haranguerer on January 25, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 25, 2012, 08:17:00 AM
He lives and works in Cavan but he has now got a kildare address (we can only guess who organised that for him?). Maybe he is going to live there and drive to Cavan but I doubt it. Its not like VRT where the customs can do spot checks to see where someone is normally resident. The GAA have to take him at his word to some extent.
Oh ffs...its an amateur game for chissake. Theres enough mini hitlers running round without a crowd of pricks calling to your door to check you live where you said you did.
And its not a ridiculous proposal to let anyone play wherever to f**k they want and it will come in, whenever everyone cops on and realises that people deserve the right of free choice
If I was ridiculously good at soccer, could I play for Spain?
neil walsh of ladbrokes tweeted yesterday that they have seanie johnston to get an all star this year (with any team) priced at 16/1 which is massive compared to paddys 11/2.i still reckon it's a bit short.cant find it on the website but im sure if you phone them up they would give you those odds.
I have a timeshare in Malaga.
Quote from: fearglasmor on January 25, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
haranguerer, you obviously dont subscribe to the current ethos of the GAA which is entirely based on representing the parish/community and county. Maybe you feel that the notion of "belonging" to a particular locality or county is outdated and belongs with the dinosaurs. Thats your right. But I think you will find that a lot of people in the GAA do attach great importance to these ideals and believe that the association would lose something valuable if it abandoned them.
Personally, I have no gripe with soccer, but I find it very hard to have any real attachment to my local leinster senior league club who field a large section of paid players from Dublin city and other areas in their team. I would never like to see the GAA go down this road. If SJ and KE achieve their objective then I think it sets a precedent that will lead to the situation you espouse.
Dont talk shite - I dont subscribe to the ethos of the GAA!! :D This ethos you speak of in terms of only representing where you're from isnt actually the ethos at all. Read a bit, you'll see the ethos is promoting irish games and culture. look at the many many examples of players who have played for different counties. Now consider the amount who have played for different clubs. Now look at hurling - tons of examples of players playing for other counties/clubs. Do they all, and the clubs/counties that took them not subscribe to the ethos either??
The point is, its a f**king sport. We should be doing all we can to encourage everyone to play it, and helping them do so, not preventing it.
Who are we stopping playing gaelic football? ???
Quote from: haranguerer on January 25, 2012, 11:24:23 AM
Quote from: fearglasmor on January 25, 2012, 09:33:30 AM
haranguerer, you obviously dont subscribe to the current ethos of the GAA which is entirely based on representing the parish/community and county. Maybe you feel that the notion of "belonging" to a particular locality or county is outdated and belongs with the dinosaurs. Thats your right. But I think you will find that a lot of people in the GAA do attach great importance to these ideals and believe that the association would lose something valuable if it abandoned them.
Personally, I have no gripe with soccer, but I find it very hard to have any real attachment to my local leinster senior league club who field a large section of paid players from Dublin city and other areas in their team. I would never like to see the GAA go down this road. If SJ and KE achieve their objective then I think it sets a precedent that will lead to the situation you espouse.
Dont talk shite - I dont subscribe to the ethos of the GAA!! :D This ethos you speak of in terms of only representing where you're from isnt actually the ethos at all. Read a bit, you'll see the ethos is promoting irish games and culture. look at the many many examples of players who have played for different counties. Now consider the amount who have played for different clubs. Now look at hurling - tons of examples of players playing for other counties/clubs. Do they all, and the clubs/counties that took them not subscribe to the ethos either??
The point is, its a f**king sport. We should be doing all we can to encourage everyone to play it, and helping them do so, not preventing it.
nuff said
Quote from: hardstation on January 25, 2012, 11:26:40 AM
Can I play ladies football?
I only have a wee dick.
You'll fit right in so!
I'm here all week folks.
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Dinny Breen i have played against ST. Kevins and know some of them they have a very strong forward line. Mark Fitzharris, Barry Noone, Eoghan Carew and add Johnston to this. Then they have Gordon Kearney, Jason Brosnan, Mick Kenny and Tom Barron all these have represented Kildare at different levels.
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Dinny Breen i have played against ST. Kevins and know some of them they have a very strong forward line. Mark Fitzharris, Barry Noone, Eoghan Carew and add Johnston to this. Then they have Gordon Kearney, Jason Brosnan, Mick Kenny and Tom Barron all these have represented Kildare at different levels.
Johnston will very rarely be seen in the red and black if at all. If this whole thing had been handled properly then he'd be playing for Straffan what with him living there and all... ::)
It's not as if playing for a Junior club would have hindered hiis county prospects because it certainly hasn't for Rob or Peter Kelly. The Kevins/Niall Carew link is fairly damning and it reflects quite badly on the senior management.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Dinny Breen i have played against ST. Kevins and know some of them they have a very strong forward line. Mark Fitzharris, Barry Noone, Eoghan Carew and add Johnston to this. Then they have Gordon Kearney, Jason Brosnan, Mick Kenny and Tom Barron all these have represented Kildare at different levels.
Johnston will very rarely be seen in the red and black if at all. If this whole thing had been handled properly then he'd be playing for Straffan what with him living there and all... ::)
It's not as if playing for a Junior club would have hindered hiis county prospects because it certainly hasn't for Rob or Peter Kelly. The Kevins/Niall Carew link is fairly damning and it reflects quite badly on the senior management.
He will be back playing for Cavan Gaels very lively.
John Murtagh's transfer to Louth has been turned down it seems. Not looking good for Seanie Johnston playing for Kildare i would think.
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
Quote from: Onlooker on January 26, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
John Murtagh's transfer to Louth has been turned down it seems. Not looking good for Seanie Johnston playing for Kildare i would think.
Is he transferring to a club in louth?
Quote from: Onlooker on January 26, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
John Murtagh's transfer to Louth has been turned down it seems. Not looking good for Seanie Johnston playing for Kildare i would think.
The jockey?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: Onlooker on January 26, 2012, 11:20:13 AM
John Murtagh's transfer to Louth has been turned down it seems. Not looking good for Seanie Johnston playing for Kildare i would think.
The jockey?
I expected that one. It is the former Armagh footballer who plays for Parnells. I suppose he should have got a residence in Straffan!!.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
Haranguerer genuine question here (which you are under no obligation to answer).
Did you ever fall out with your home club?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
Haranguerer genuine question here (which you are under no obligation to answer).
Did you ever fall out with your home club?
No, I never have, not even in a minor way.
I am so vehement about this though, because to me it does a lot more harm than good. I dont see how an amateur organisation can restrict their players in such a way. I wouldnt like to see the situation whereby lads from anywhere were playing interco for anyone, I think ideally for me it would be like the international set up, play for any club you want, but only your own county.
Quote from: hardstation on January 26, 2012, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally. intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
Haranguerer genuine question here (which you are under no obligation to answer).
Did you ever fall out with your home club?
No, I never have, not even in a minor way.
I am so vehement about this though, because to me it does a lot more harm than good. I dont see how an amateur organisation can restrict their players in such a way. I wouldnt like to see the situation whereby lads from anywhere were playing interco for anyone, I think ideally for me it would be like the international set up, play for any club you want, but only your own county.
So, why are you arguing that SJ should be allowed to play for Kildare (i.e not his own county)?
Exactly. I'm confused.
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
was going to reply to heffo and say the same thing but it is more apt by responding to your post.
One precedent for the above scenario that you suggest is Rory Gallagher in 2007 (I think).
He transferred to Cavan for intercounty and they found him an address outside kilanaleck and his new club were Crosserlough. As far as I know he never played for them and maybe didnt even train with them - only the county.
meanwhile he was still living and working in Dublin.
Then when Cavan were dumped out of the championship - he transferred back to Dublin club st brigids in time to play the latter end of the championship (q-final maybe but def semi final and final - which they lost).
Johnston could do much the same.
I don't Johnston would be going back to the gaels at any stage this year, was the transfer request that he Play league football and championship football with St Kevins. If he is going to be playing with Kildare for more than one year he isn't going to Just leave St Kevins in July or August and then expect to go back playing for them the following year.
Gallagher played 5 or 5 games in the league with crosserlough btw before he headed back to brigids.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 26, 2012, 03:11:26 PM
I don't Johnston would be going back to the gaels at any stage this year,
We'll see so.
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_sportat7.xml
11 minutes in on the link for the 25th Jan. This puts it in perspective. The journalists is a local one in Cavan, Owen McConnon. A pretty reliable source...
The secret for all players is to know the rules. For those looking to transfer they should read Official Rules Part 1 , 'Player Elgibility'
Most guys looking to move don't know the rules, clearly Murtagh was misguided...
Seanie Johnston should also note the full text of Mc Geeny's comments , rather than headlines.
"He can come here, turn up, play, train and I've never stopped anybody who's wanted to play for Kildare. He has indicated that he wants to and we'll take him in with open arms but he's going to have his work cut out.
"There are a lot of fellas there who want their place too and if Seanie steps in here he's going to have to put up like everybody else."
Seanie was a Rose in Cavan? (Gaels) but he ain't no Lilly.
But fair play to him as the Dublin import has no right to end his career for Cavan.A decent manager would manage the player. In a few years Valerie will return to Dublin, just like Tommy Who
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
Haranguerer genuine question here (which you are under no obligation to answer).
Did you ever fall out with your home club?
No, I never have, not even in a minor way.
I am so vehement about this though, because to me it does a lot more harm than good. I dont see how an amateur organisation can restrict their players in such a way. I wouldnt like to see the situation whereby lads from anywhere were playing interco for anyone, I think ideally for me it would be like the international set up, play for any club you want, but only your own county.
I'm also confused now. ???
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Dinny Breen i have played against ST. Kevins and know some of them they have a very strong forward line. Mark Fitzharris, Barry Noone, Eoghan Carew and add Johnston to this. Then they have Gordon Kearney, Jason Brosnan, Mick Kenny and Tom Barron all these have represented Kildare at different levels.
Johnston will very rarely be seen in the red and black if at all. If this whole thing had been handled properly then he'd be playing for Straffan what with him living there and all... ::)
It's not as if playing for a Junior club would have hindered hiis county prospects because it certainly hasn't for Rob or Peter Kelly. The Kevins/Niall Carew link is fairly damning and it reflects quite badly on the senior management.
as far as i heard he will play a few league and championship games like the other seniors . That the same as saying if he went to sarsfields that Dermot Earley got him,abit stupid i think. He had to go to some team.
Quote from: hardstation on January 26, 2012, 02:39:34 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on January 26, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 26, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Right enough, given that many players who have played co football have then been able to move to whatever club they want and continue playing for the original co, is there anything in the rules to stop seanie playing a game or two for kildare, then transferring back to cavan gaels, and playing for them and Kildare as originally intended? Mebbe hes cute enough :D
Haranguerer genuine question here (which you are under no obligation to answer).
Did you ever fall out with your home club?
No, I never have, not even in a minor way.
I am so vehement about this though, because to me it does a lot more harm than good. I dont see how an amateur organisation can restrict their players in such a way. I wouldnt like to see the situation whereby lads from anywhere were playing interco for anyone, I think ideally for me it would be like the international set up, play for any club you want, but only your own county.
So, why are you arguing that SJ should be allowed to play for Kildare (i.e not his own county)?
Because the situation I envision is idealistic, and a good bit in the future, if at all.
Here and now, I think its right to let him play. The players have to have rights. Its an amateur game, and I dont see why anyone, least of all those who roll up on a sunday to watch a game, should have any say on whether or not someone who has busted their balls to reach the top level should be allowed to play or not. When you start paying his wages, then you can do that ;)
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:09:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Dinny Breen i have played against ST. Kevins and know some of them they have a very strong forward line. Mark Fitzharris, Barry Noone, Eoghan Carew and add Johnston to this. Then they have Gordon Kearney, Jason Brosnan, Mick Kenny and Tom Barron all these have represented Kildare at different levels.
Johnston will very rarely be seen in the red and black if at all. If this whole thing had been handled properly then he'd be playing for Straffan what with him living there and all... ::)
It's not as if playing for a Junior club would have hindered hiis county prospects because it certainly hasn't for Rob or Peter Kelly. The Kevins/Niall Carew link is fairly damning and it reflects quite badly on the senior management.
as far as i heard he will play a few league and championship games like the other seniors . That the same as saying if he went to sarsfields that Dermot Earley got him,abit stupid i think. He had to go to some team.
I'll believe it when I see it. A lad on the Kildare forum was suggesting that his cousin plays for Kevins which is fair enough but if he is supposed to be living in Straffan ( ::)) then Kevins isn't exactly the first club that would spring to mind. Even if he didn't want to play junior football with Straffan he could play with Celbridge who are in the same parish.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2012, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:09:35 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2012, 09:12:40 AM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 26, 2012, 08:39:55 AM
St Kevins? Some addition to them, outside Gordon Kearney they lack some quality up front.
Dinny Breen i have played against ST. Kevins and know some of them they have a very strong forward line. Mark Fitzharris, Barry Noone, Eoghan Carew and add Johnston to this. Then they have Gordon Kearney, Jason Brosnan, Mick Kenny and Tom Barron all these have represented Kildare at different levels.
Johnston will very rarely be seen in the red and black if at all. If this whole thing had been handled properly then he'd be playing for Straffan what with him living there and all... ::)
It's not as if playing for a Junior club would have hindered hiis county prospects because it certainly hasn't for Rob or Peter Kelly. The Kevins/Niall Carew link is fairly damning and it reflects quite badly on the senior management.
as far as i heard he will play a few league and championship games like the other seniors . That the same as saying if he went to sarsfields that Dermot Earley got him,abit stupid i think. He had to go to some team.
I'll believe it when I see it. A lad on the Kildare forum was suggesting that his cousin plays for Kevins which is fair enough but if he is supposed to be living in Straffan ( ::)) then Kevins isn't exactly the first club that would spring to mind. Even if he didn't want to play junior football with Straffan he could play with Celbridge who are in the same parish.
Why is that Kevins should have beaten Celbridge in the championship last year and with Seanie Johnston it will only make them beter! We will see in time if he plays much anyway!
Have Kildare supporters here no pride in themselves and their county? Johnston is a mercenary pure and simple. He picked Kildare presumably because they are competitive and because you have manager who'll obviously do anything at this point to win silverware. This is a sham and a disgrace if it goes through!
God knows in Dublin we suffered between 1996 and 2011 but we didn't stoop to poach players from other counties even when as with the Gallaghers they actually lived and played their football in Dublin. Winning with your own players is a thousand times better than winning with a chancer like Johnston in your team!
Also can't believe Cavan supporters are so relaxed about this. Cavan Gaels should run him out of the place if he gets away with this. You can be sure his chosen club in Kildare will see little or nothing of him.
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:01:53 PM
Have Kildare supporters here no pride in themselves and their county? Johnston is a mercenary pure and simple. He picked Kildare presumably because they are competitive and because you have manager who'll obviously do anything at this point to win silverware. This is a sham and a disgrace if it goes through!
God knows in Dublin we suffered between 1996 and 2011 but we didn't stoop to poach players from other counties even when as with the Gallaghers they actually lived and played their football in Dublin. Winning with your own players is a thousand times better than winning with a chancer like Johnston in your team!
Also can't believe Cavan supporters are so relaxed about this. Cavan Gaels should run him out of the place if he gets away with this. You can be sure his chosen club in Kildare will see little or nothing of him.
Declan Darcy, Ryan O'Dwyer, Ciaran Barr. Do you want me to go on? Does that mean Dublin supporters have no pride?
In hindsight I bet you think your post is a bit silly now.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Maybe you might know myles. Whats the story? Did he throw his toys out of the pram or was there something else in it?
Why is Val Andrews so quiet in all of this?
It's not like him.
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen.
Ach now, nobody would be saying that Seán Óg wasn't a Cork man.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
What information do you have that the rest of us don't that Johnston was poached from Cavan? Can you back up this accusation?
I don't care where Darcy was born. The fact remains that he played with Leitrim before Dublin.
Stop will ye. You're talking through you rear!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
Stop will ye. You're talking through you rear!
I'll take that as a no then.
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
What information do you have that the rest of us don't that Johnston was poached from Cavan? Can you back up this accusation?
I don't care where Darcy was born. The fact remains that he played with Leitrim before Dublin.
He was born and reared in Dublin though.
As a matter of fact he was playing with Aughawillan in Leitrim illegally as he wasn't living or working in the area.
Dublin was his home county.
Mup - you guys are so desperate to win anything you'd do/take any player from anywhere. Johnston will not live in Kildare. The address in Straffan is b*llox! And if you believe he will be committing to travelling from Cavan town where he will actually be living to play or train with St Kevin's you are as gullible as they come!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2012, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:47:37 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
What information do you have that the rest of us don't that Johnston was poached from Cavan? Can you back up this accusation?
I don't care where Darcy was born. The fact remains that he played with Leitrim before Dublin.
He was born and reared in Dublin though.
As a matter of fact he was playing with Aughawillan in Leitrim illegally as he wasn't living or working in the area.
Dublin was his home county.
That wasn't the point of my argument. He mentioned something about poaching players from other counties. Now I don't know know if Johnston was poached or not but Hill16 Blues seems to know. So I'm wondering does he know something the rest of us don't.
He was clearly poached.
I don't see how anyone could suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 07:01:44 PM
Mup - you guys are so desperate to win anything you'd do/take any player from anywhere. Johnston will not live in Kildare. The address in Straffan is b*llox! And if you believe he will be committing to travelling from Cavan town where he will actually be living to play or train with St Kevin's you are as gullible as they come!
I'm not arguing with that fact address his address. You said he was poached and I'm asking you to back up your statement. Thats it really.
Simples. Can you back up the fact that you said he was poached?
Quote from: Jinxy on January 28, 2012, 07:12:44 PM
He was clearly poached.
I don't see how anyone could suggest otherwise.
Ok thats fair enough. Now could you twll me how you know this is true?
You're obviously no Sherlock Holmes!
Let's see I'm inter county footballer who's very highly rated but has fallen out with county manager. Ok I'll pick another county to play with but sure that's not allowed unless I live and play in the other county. Don't want to do that as I'm teacher in Cavan, like my job and don't want to move club. Well what county and manager would be disparate enough to accept this sham and parachute me straight in. Hold on there a second why don't I phone Geezer. Hell 'welcome' me with open arms!
That's poaching / fraud / deceit or whatever you're having yourself!
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Maybe you might know myles. Whats the story? Did he throw his toys out of the pram or was there something else in it?
From what I hear it went as follows...
At the end of last season the entire co panel was disbanded, ie each player was told they were not automatically on next years panel.
When the pre-season started Andrews called in a number of players but omitted 6/7 who were there last season, including Johnston and the captain from the year before, Martin Cahill. (it should be noted that Johnston was dropped by his own club and stripped of the captaincy last summer too)
Andrews called these players out of courtesy to tell them they were not going to be involved (there is debate exactly what was said here, Johnston gave his side but Andrews has not said anything yet. Johnston claims he was told he would not be a Cavan player again. I'd say that is bull.)
Johnston starts looking for a transfer while staying with his club, which is against the rules, his request fails at croke park.
An appeal is said to have legal costs of up to 10k. My understanding is he went to Cavan Gaels to see if they would back him (financially) for this appeal, they said no. He then puts in for a club transfer.
Is that throwing out the toys, probably. But I think for Johnston being a county player is more important than trying to get back on the Cavan county panel or even winning Ulster with his own club. As I've said before, ye are very welcome to him. In Cavan we have good young players coming through and I expect in 10 years time we will have real heros playing for Cavan like we once did before and Johnstons legacy will be one of a quitter and a turn coat.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 07:18:18 PM
You're obviously no Sherlock Holmes!
Let's see I'm inter county footballer who's very highly rated but has fallen out with county manager. Ok I'll pick another county to play with but sure that's not allowed unless I live and play in the other county. Don't want to do that as I'm teacher in Cavan, like my job and don't want to move club. Well what county and manager would be disparate enough to accept this sham and parachute me straight in. Hold on there a second why don't I phone Geezer. Hell 'welcome' me with open arms!
That's poaching / fraud / deceit or whatever you're having yourself!
By your own admission that blows your poaching theory out of the water.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Maybe you might know myles. Whats the story? Did he throw his toys out of the pram or was there something else in it?
From what I hear it went as follows...
At the end of last season the entire co panel was disbanded, ie each player was told they were not automatically on next years panel.
When the pre-season started Andrews called in a number of players but omitted 6/7 who were there last season, including Johnston and the captain from the year before, Martin Cahill. (it should be noted that Johnston was dropped by his own club and stripped of the captaincy last summer too)
Andrews called these players out of courtesy to tell them they were not going to be involved (there is debate exactly what was said here, Johnston gave his side but Andrews has not said anything yet. Johnston claims he was told he would not be a Cavan player again. I'd say that is bull.)
Johnston starts looking for a transfer while staying with his club, which is against the rules, his request fails at croke park.
An appeal is said to have legal costs of up to 10k. My understanding is he went to Cavan Gaels to see if they would back him (financially) for this appeal, they said no. He then puts in for a club transfer.
Is that throwing out the toys, probably. But I think for Johnston being a county player is more important than trying to get back on the Cavan county panel or even winning Ulster with his own club. As I've said before, ye are very welcome to him. In Cavan we have good young players coming through and I expect in 10 years time we will have real heros playing for Cavan like we once did before and Johnstons legacy will be one of a quitter and a turn coat.
Thank yo Myles. Interesting to hear the story form a Cavan perspective.
Open your eyes will you! It's poaching regardless as to who made the first call.
You should be concerned about the kick in the teeth this is for your younger players coming through particularly if this stroke fails to come off.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 07:31:21 PM
Open your eyes will you! It's poaching regardless as to who made the first call.
You should be concerned about the kick in the teeth this is for your younger players coming through particularly if this stroke fails to come off.
There you go jumping to conclusions again. Point out where I wrote that I thought Johnstons switch to Kildare was a good thing. For whats it worths I don't think it is.
In fairness I don't think you give a fiddlers about the younger players in Kildare.
Great - we can agree on one thing!
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Maybe you might know myles. Whats the story? Did he throw his toys out of the pram or was there something else in it?
From what I hear it went as follows...
At the end of last season the entire co panel was disbanded, ie each player was told they were not automatically on next years panel.
When the pre-season started Andrews called in a number of players but omitted 6/7 who were there last season, including Johnston and the captain from the year before, Martin Cahill. (it should be noted that Johnston was dropped by his own club and stripped of the captaincy last summer too)
Andrews called these players out of courtesy to tell them they were not going to be involved (there is debate exactly what was said here, Johnston gave his side but Andrews has not said anything yet. Johnston claims he was told he would not be a Cavan player again. I'd say that is bull.)
Johnston starts looking for a transfer while staying with his club, which is against the rules, his request fails at croke park.
An appeal is said to have legal costs of up to 10k. My understanding is he went to Cavan Gaels to see if they would back him (financially) for this appeal, they said no. He then puts in for a club transfer.
Is that throwing out the toys, probably. But I think for Johnston being a county player is more important than trying to get back on the Cavan county panel or even winning Ulster with his own club. As I've said before, ye are very welcome to him. In Cavan we have good young players coming through and I expect in 10 years time we will have real heros playing for Cavan like we once did before and Johnstons legacy will be one of a quitter and a turn coat.
Thank yo Myles. Interesting to hear the story form a Cavan perspective.
Wouldn't necessarily describe that as a Cavan perspective more a Myles perspective although there is probably a bit of truth in there somewhere. Myles and I share a number of things in common as Cavanmen, we don't play the game, we don't live in the County and we are not involved on a day to day basis with clubs up there so a lot of what we have to say on a subject like this should be considered in that light. Interestingly there are a number of posters on the Cavan page who are currently playing club football who would not be clubmates of Sean Johnston who have voiced concerns about how the matter was handled on the management side which is worthy of note. They're not saying the player is by any way blameless in the matter either but would be off the view that it's not a black and white issue.
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 28, 2012, 08:29:59 PM
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Maybe you might know myles. Whats the story? Did he throw his toys out of the pram or was there something else in it?
From what I hear it went as follows...
At the end of last season the entire co panel was disbanded, ie each player was told they were not automatically on next years panel.
When the pre-season started Andrews called in a number of players but omitted 6/7 who were there last season, including Johnston and the captain from the year before, Martin Cahill. (it should be noted that Johnston was dropped by his own club and stripped of the captaincy last summer too)
Andrews called these players out of courtesy to tell them they were not going to be involved (there is debate exactly what was said here, Johnston gave his side but Andrews has not said anything yet. Johnston claims he was told he would not be a Cavan player again. I'd say that is bull.)
Johnston starts looking for a transfer while staying with his club, which is against the rules, his request fails at croke park.
An appeal is said to have legal costs of up to 10k. My understanding is he went to Cavan Gaels to see if they would back him (financially) for this appeal, they said no. He then puts in for a club transfer.
Is that throwing out the toys, probably. But I think for Johnston being a county player is more important than trying to get back on the Cavan county panel or even winning Ulster with his own club. As I've said before, ye are very welcome to him. In Cavan we have good young players coming through and I expect in 10 years time we will have real heros playing for Cavan like we once did before and Johnstons legacy will be one of a quitter and a turn coat.
Thank yo Myles. Interesting to hear the story form a Cavan perspective.
Wouldn't necessarily describe that as a Cavan perspective more a Myles perspective although there is probably a bit of truth in there somewhere. Myles and I share a number of things in common as Cavanmen, we don't play the game, we don't live in the County and we are not involved on a day to day basis with clubs up there so a lot of what we have to say on a subject like this should be considered in that light. Interestingly there are a number of posters on the Cavan page who are currently playing club football who would not be clubmates of Sean Johnston who have voiced concerns about how the matter was handled on the management side which is worthy of note. They're not saying the player is by any way blameless in the matter either but would be off the view that it's not a black and white issue.
Couple of things Anglocelt - I do still play the game (in a different county at a lower level no doubt), I have my contacts and many of my friends play for my home club. Just because you know nothing about what is going on at home doesn't mean I don't! I have yet to speak to a Cavan man who holds a view totally opposite to mine and that includes a few very pissed off Gaels men. I did say Andrews has not come out and given his side so unless he does how can we know how he handled it? I've held a view of Johnston's bad attitude (while giving him credit for having great skill) for a long time and you know well now I've been proven right. I held this view based on watching him moan at refs, his own players, kick out at opponents when things go against him like a spoilt child and when the going gets tough Seanie stops fighting for the team. I've watched enough football to know a lad who has an attitude issue. I'm confident this exit will be a good thing for Cavan football, just like when Fermanagh got rid of Rory Gallagher. Ask yourself this - why would a manager in his 2nd season drop the player with the most skill off his panel? Andrews has a lot to prove this year so are we expected to believe he just dropped him for no reason? Do you acknowledge that the Gaels also dropped him and took away his captaincy?
Sorry folks but as a long time watcher of postings on the Cavan section of this site I was rendered momentarily speechless at the inclusion of Myles, Cavan Perspective and Seanie Johnston in the same sentence. Please refer postings on Cavan thread this week for clarification on this. I can exclusively reveal that Ryanair are posting a bankruptcy order against Myles tomorrow on it's website for carrying excessive SJ baggage.
Finally, there is a rumor that Myles is appearing on next Tuesday's Newsnight Programme with Jeremy Paxman to offer the "Cavan Perspective" on Seanie Johnston. Interestingly, there will also be an interview with Nick Clegg of the BNP who will be offering a "UK perspective" on race relations. ;)
Amusing but all questions dodged. No harm, he'll be gone soon and we can start talking about proper Cavan men again.
Quote from: anglocelt39 on January 29, 2012, 12:04:20 AM
Sorry folks but as a long time watcher of postings on the Cavan section of this site I was rendered momentarily speechless at the inclusion of Myles, Cavan Perspective and Seanie Johnston in the same sentence. Please refer postings on Cavan thread this week for clarification on this. I can exclusively reveal that Ryanair are posting a bankruptcy order against Myles tomorrow on it's website for carrying excessive SJ baggage.
Finally, there is a rumor that Myles is appearing on next Tuesday's Newsnight Programme with Jeremy Paxman to offer the "Cavan Perspective" on Seanie Johnston. Interestingly, there will also be an interview with Nick Clegg of the BNP who will be offering a "UK perspective" on race relations. ;)
You mean Nick Griffin.
Nick Clegg is the leader of the Liberal Democrats.
Any player who would go golfing the morning of an Ulster Championship game or come into a dressing room and tell a couple of new young lads to get out of his seat can be done without and won't add much to any other team.
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:01:53 PM
Have Kildare supporters here no pride in themselves and their county? Johnston is a mercenary pure and simple. He picked Kildare presumably because they are competitive and because you have manager who'll obviously do anything at this point to win silverware. This is a sham and a disgrace if it goes through!
God knows in Dublin we suffered between 1996 and 2011 but we didn't stoop to poach players from other counties even when as with the Gallaghers they actually lived and played their football in Dublin. Winning with your own players is a thousand times better than winning with a chancer like Johnston in your team!
Also can't believe Cavan supporters are so relaxed about this. Cavan Gaels should run him out of the place if he gets away with this. You can be sure his chosen club in Kildare will see little or nothing of him.
Declan Darcy, Ryan O'Dwyer, Ciaran Barr. Do you want me to go on? Does that mean Dublin supporters have no pride?
In hindsight I bet you think your post is a bit silly now.
Declan Darcy was born, raised and lived in Dublin at all times. He declared for Leitrim as his parents were from there.
Both Ryan O'Dwyer and Ciaran Barr were living and working in Dublin before they went near the Hurlers.
Johnson was poached, the exact same offer was made to Shane Supple - 'move' to Kildare, we'll sort you out and you won't even have to move club.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
You won't find many Kildare people who will disagree with you on that point.
However, you do know that Dublin won a shed load of All-Irelands prior to the seventies when their team was full of outsiders? There were many Kildaremen that won AIs with the Dubs. Are all those titles devalued if it's a "thousand times better with your own countymen"?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
You won't find many Kildare people who will disagree with you on that point.
However, you do know that Dublin won a shed load of All-Irelands prior to the seventies when their team was full of outsiders? There were many Kildaremen that won AIs with the Dubs. Are all those titles devalued if it's a "thousand times better with your own countymen"?
Those players weren't sent unsolicited telegrams on their farms asking them to come play for Dublin for a couple of tons of turf and the prospect of a bit of glory by a full time manager.
Quote from: heffo on January 29, 2012, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 28, 2012, 06:42:54 PM
Mup - you might have a re-read of your own post and decide if you feel a bit silly! Darcy was born and bred in Dublin. Played for Leitrim as he had family background there and it was allowed by GAA to help weaker counties get stronger. He came back to Dublin few years later.
Dublin hurlers were in effect operating as weaker county in hurling till very recently and hence players that lived and played in Dublin were accepted onto county team. Johnston's setup with Kildare is a Sham pure and simple.
Stand 100% by my statement that it's thousand times better with your own countrymen. That will apply to my county hurling team if we ever manage to win Leinster or all Ireland hurling title. End of!
You won't find many Kildare people who will disagree with you on that point.
However, you do know that Dublin won a shed load of All-Irelands prior to the seventies when their team was full of outsiders? There were many Kildaremen that won AIs with the Dubs. Are all those titles devalued if it's a "thousand times better with your own countymen"?
Those players weren't sent unsolicited telegrams on their farms asking them to come play for Dublin for a couple of tons of turf and the prospect of a bit of glory by a full time manager.
Seánie must not have heard of the turf cutting ban around Staplestown!!
I heard Larry Stanley was promised free life entry to Copper Face Jacks when he joined the Dubs back in 1923.
Quote from: heffo on January 29, 2012, 11:19:12 AM
Ps, Mup = Jowly blogger Ewan McKenna
And what's your full name Heffo?
It's a fairly low act when you feel the need to resort to outing people's identities because you're losing the argument.
Quote from: stephenite on January 29, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 29, 2012, 11:19:12 AM
Ps, Mup = Jowly blogger Ewan McKenna
And what's your full name Heffo?
It's a fairly low act when you feel the need to resort to outing people's identities because you're losing the argument.
I wasn't losing any argument.
If it was an argument with our esteemed journo Mr McKenna i think it was made abundantly clear what is going on re Johnston and his new pal Geezer & the debt ridden Kildare county board - a debt principally caused it has to be said by Geezer & his merry band of expensive mercenaries!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 29, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
If it was an argument with our esteemed journo Mr McKenna i think it was made abundantly clear what is going on re Johnston and his new pal Geezer & the debt ridden Kildare county board - a debt principally caused it has to be said by Geezer & his merry band of expensive mercenaries!
Not the case at all. Kildare's debt is mainly as a result of the Hawkfield development. The senior footballers do a lot of their own fundraising. They each raised €3k last year and fitted out their own purpose built gym at the K Club themselves. A large proportion of the money to finance the senior team comes from Club Kildare, not the CB. No doubt team expenses have to be cut down (as they do in most counties) but Kildare's debt is at a manageable level for the time being. Whilst not excusing it, it pales into comparison to several other counties. I think Kildare have received more publicity because they are actively trying to clear their debt, however successful that will be.
As for Johnston, very few in Kildare want him. Personally think it is a big error of judgement from our senior management.
Word is that Cavan Co board are going to object. Cavan gaels are supposedly divided on the issue. There is a way to go in this yet. One thing for sure, there is no way back to Cavan for Johnston after this.
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: mup on January 28, 2012, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 28, 2012, 06:07:20 PM
Cavan fans are not relaxed and any I've talked to are happy to see the back of him and his rotten attitude. He won't do anything worth talking about with kildare either I'd wager.
Maybe you might know myles. Whats the story? Did he throw his toys out of the pram or was there something else in it?
From what I hear it went as follows...
At the end of last season the entire co panel was disbanded, ie each player was told they were not automatically on next years panel.
When the pre-season started Andrews called in a number of players but omitted 6/7 who were there last season, including Johnston and the captain from the year before, Martin Cahill. (it should be noted that Johnston was dropped by his own club and stripped of the captaincy last summer too)
Andrews called these players out of courtesy to tell them they were not going to be involved (there is debate exactly what was said here, Johnston gave his side but Andrews has not said anything yet. Johnston claims he was told he would not be a Cavan player again. I'd say that is bull.)
Johnston starts looking for a transfer while staying with his club, which is against the rules, his request fails at croke park.
An appeal is said to have legal costs of up to 10k. My understanding is he went to Cavan Gaels to see if they would back him (financially) for this appeal, they said no. He then puts in for a club transfer.
Is that throwing out the toys, probably. But I think for Johnston being a county player is more important than trying to get back on the Cavan county panel or even winning Ulster with his own club. As I've said before, ye are very welcome to him. In Cavan we have good young players coming through and I expect in 10 years time we will have real heros playing for Cavan like we once did before and Johnstons legacy will be one of a quitter and a turn coat.
Thank yo Myles. Interesting to hear the story form a Cavan perspective.
Myles, could you point out to me where you claimed to be giving the Cavan perspective. AC39 seems to have seen something I didn't! >:( ::)
LeoMc - indeed, I was asked for my take on it and I gave it. Anglocelt has a problem with my expressing of reservations on Johnston in the past. The crux of it being that while he has all the skills a forward could need it takes more than that to be mentioned in the same breath as greats such as gooch, canavan, Joyce etc. His constant statements to the media about what Cavan fans should be thinking and doing is another bugbear of mine. Anglocelt called this baggage, claims I have grudge against him etc while at the same time admitting he is away from home a long time and knows sweet fa about what's going on. I don't know Johnston, never met him and never played against him. I have no grudge. However, I've seen enough heartless gutless pathetic displays from Cavan over the last number of years to know that we need to start with a foundation of tough, hungry young men full of fight and ready to spill their blood for our proud county. Such a set-up can not co-exist with prima donnas, full of their own self importance and ready to walk away at the first sign of a fight for their place on the team. Anglo celt knows full well that Johnstons behaviour since being dropped completely vindicates Andrews decision. To be honest, I never thought he would be this bad but there you are. We are well rid. We'll soon see how he handles not being the center of the universe in kildare?
Quote from: heffo on January 29, 2012, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: stephenite on January 29, 2012, 07:49:43 PM
Quote from: heffo on January 29, 2012, 11:19:12 AM
Ps, Mup = Jowly blogger Ewan McKenna
And what's your full name Heffo?
It's a fairly low act when you feel the need to resort to outing people's identities because you're losing the argument.
I wasn't losing any argument.
Classy
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 29, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
If it was an argument with our esteemed journo Mr McKenna i think it was made abundantly clear what is going on re Johnston and his new pal Geezer & the debt ridden Kildare county board - a debt principally caused it has to be said by Geezer & his merry band of expensive mercenaries!
Not the case at all. Kildare's debt is mainly as a result of the Hawkfield development. The senior footballers do a lot of their own fundraising. They each raised €3k last year and fitted out their own purpose built gym at the K Club themselves. A large proportion of the money to finance the senior team comes from Club Kildare, not the CB. No doubt team expenses have to be cut down (as they do in most counties) but Kildare's debt is at a manageable level for the time being. Whilst not excusing it, it pales into comparison to several other counties. I think Kildare have received more publicity because they are actively trying to clear their debt, however successful that will be.
As for Johnston, very few in Kildare want him. Personally think it is a big error of judgement from our senior management.
DH, why educate these guys, they have no sense of perspective and base their opinions on the now with the usual hyperbolic reactions.
Funny enough the original Dinny Breen won 4 Dublin senior county medals with the Garda club in 1929, 1933, 1934 and 1935. Even though he was a Westmeath footballer at the time he was invited to play for Dublin. An invitation he declined but alas there was no media sensationalism and sports did not exist in the popular culture sense so this request from Dublin stirred no controversy and with no social media to try and manipulate our sense of tribal emotion no one actually cared. Dinny was flattered to be asked but he was a Westmeath man. Every county is littered with similar stories, some played for their new adoptive county some didn't and the world moved on and nobody cared.
If SJ ends up playing for Kildare so be it, he's not doing anything hundreds haven't done before. Do I agree with it no but will I get emotive and start calling people mercenaries and a disgrace? No because to me it's not that big a deal and people really do lose any sense of perspective.
What is interesting would be if we are all sit down in a pub and discuss this, it will all be reasoned and intelligent discussion, why are people so unreasoned with the written word and I include myself in that as I have often lapsed into keyboard warrior mode as well...
Quote... a Westmeath footballer ...
I could never quite put my finger on what it was, but thanks for that! :P
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 30, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
Quote... a Westmeath footballer ...
I could never quite put my finger on what it was, but thanks for that! :P
Why do you think AZ loves me so much..
Leave me out of this.
By the way heffo, that's not like you.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 29, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
LeoMc - indeed, I was asked for my take on it and I gave it. Anglocelt has a problem with my expressing of reservations on Johnston in the past. The crux of it being that while he has all the skills a forward could need it takes more than that to be mentioned in the same breath as greats such as gooch, canavan, Joyce etc. His constant statements to the media about what Cavan fans should be thinking and doing is another bugbear of mine. Anglocelt called this baggage, claims I have grudge against him etc while at the same time admitting he is away from home a long time and knows sweet fa about what's going on. I don't know Johnston, never met him and never played against him. I have no grudge. However, I've seen enough heartless gutless pathetic displays from Cavan over the last number of years to know that we need to start with a foundation of tough, hungry young men full of fight and ready to spill their blood for our proud county. Such a set-up can not co-exist with prima donnas, full of their own self importance and ready to walk away at the first sign of a fight for their place on the team. Anglo celt knows full well that Johnstons behaviour since being dropped completely vindicates Andrews decision. To be honest, I never thought he would be this bad but there you are. We are well rid. We'll soon see how he handles not being the center of the universe in kildare?
Ah indeed Myles, nice little midnight ramble there on your part which I have just spotted. I do indeed have a problem with your attitude towards Johnston, as an amateur sportsman and a private citizen as much as anything else. What you omitted to point out for the benefit of people on here is that a fair few other people on the Cavan Thread are becoming a bit tired of your spiteful, cowardly and personalised campaign against Sean Johnston as witnessed by the general response to Booj's excellent post last week. At least you've had the common sense to wind your neck in on the topic on the Cavan page, long may it continue. My own view is that there is no way back on to the panel for him as long as Val stays in charge and I think we're in agreement there. Where I do have a serious problem is the tone of some of your comments which you not utter from the Sidelines at Terry Coyle park without getting your arse handed back to you. As for your comment that I know FA about what's going on up there that's an important difference between us mate, I'm aware of my limitations.
Dinny - that all sounds fair and reasoned with the obvious exception that you are talking about a completely different time and generations ago . I can't say for sure but would guess lot of players at that time played for Dublin because travelling home for games, training etc was very difficult.
The other elephant you are deliberately ignoring is SJ as you call him acting in dishonest & deceitful way to play for county he does not live in and will not play club football in bar the odd games for show.
Are you going to state that's ok and you are quite happy to go along with it? I hope not.
It is most definitely a disgrace what is going on here!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 30, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Dinny - that all sounds fair and reasoned with the obvious exception that you are talking about a completely different time and generations ago . I can't say for sure but would guess lot of players at that time played for Dublin because travelling home for games, training etc was very difficult.
The other elephant you are deliberately ignoring is SJ as you call him acting in dishonest & deceitful way to play for county he does not live in and will not play club football in bar the odd games for show.
Are you going to state that's ok and you are quite happy to go along with it? I hope not.
It is most definitely a disgrace what is going on here!
Bull the only reason you care about this is because of who is doing it if a team from Connacht or Munster was doing this you wouldn't care less
Quote from: Go home ref on January 30, 2012, 08:13:33 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 30, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Dinny - that all sounds fair and reasoned with the obvious exception that you are talking about a completely different time and generations ago . I can't say for sure but would guess lot of players at that time played for Dublin because travelling home for games, training etc was very difficult.
The other elephant you are deliberately ignoring is SJ as you call him acting in dishonest & deceitful way to play for county he does not live in and will not play club football in bar the odd games for show.
Are you going to state that's ok and you are quite happy to go along with it? I hope not.
It is most definitely a disgrace what is going on here!
Bull the only reason you care about this is because of who is doing it if a team from Connacht or Munster was doing this you wouldn't care less
A team from Munster!!. Ah come on now, whatever about Seanie Johnston living in Straffan and working in Cavan, I doubt if he could convince anyone that he was living in Cork or Tralee, while working in Cavan. It is the obvious doubts as to where he is living that makes playing for Kildare very dodgy indeed and why so many people are so strongly opposed to the transfer going ahead.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 30, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Dinny - that all sounds fair and reasoned with the obvious exception that you are talking about a completely different time and generations ago . I can't say for sure but would guess lot of players at that time played for Dublin because travelling home for games, training etc was very difficult.
The other elephant you are deliberately ignoring is SJ as you call him acting in dishonest & deceitful way to play for county he does not live in and will not play club football in bar the odd games for show.
Are you going to state that's ok and you are quite happy to go along with it? I hope not.
It is most definitely a disgrace what is going on here!
It's not a disgrace far from it, it's another development in the culture of GAA. Every sport evolves, just because you or I do not agree with the process doesn't make it a disgrace, again a hyperbolic reaction to something that is only challenging the already unstable ethos of the GAA, same way as payment/incentive to players in the Dublin Club scene is doing the same.
By the way poaching a player to play for your county is the same whether it be the 30s 40s 90s etc etc. He was a Westmeath player and Dublin asked him to play for them, it's not as if had to be in Rochfortbridge for 6am sessions on a Wednesday and Friday. Did anyone care at the time, no and why should they same way the SJ drama doesn't particular interest me at the moment.
There'll be a gypsy curse on the flourbags if this goes through.
No Leinster title for at least 50 years.
I have a gypsy on speed-dial for this sort of thing.
Dinny - you're either being completely disingenuous or naieve pr both. This isn't the GAA evolving. This is a breach of current rules in using false address and goes against the spirit of what the GAA stands for today in terms of club & county. t's dishonest and in my view is a disgrace regardless of the county involved. The fact also that Johnston himself has acted in such a way towards his own club & county is also a disgrace but that's a matter for Johnston himself.
On other matter you reference for what it's worth I like majority of Dublin club members believe what's going on in some Dublin clubs in the chasing and otherwise of county players from other counties is wrong and to the detriment of Dublin GAA. DCB should act to stop this fully and properly.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 30, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
There'll be a gypsy curse on the flourbags if this goes through.
No Leinster title for at least 50 years.
I have a gypsy on speed-dial for this sort of thing.
You'll have no bother finding a gypsy in meath anyway ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 30, 2012, 07:55:07 PM
Dinny - that all sounds fair and reasoned with the obvious exception that you are talking about a completely different time and generations ago . I can't say for sure but would guess lot of players at that time played for Dublin because travelling home for games, training etc was very difficult.
The other elephant you are deliberately ignoring is SJ as you call him acting in dishonest & deceitful way to play for county he does not live in and will not play club football in bar the odd games for show.
Are you going to state that's ok and you are quite happy to go along with it? I hope not.
It is most definitely a disgrace what is going on here!
It's not a disgrace far from it, it's another development in the culture of GAA. Every sport evolves, just because you or I do not agree with the process doesn't make it a disgrace, again a hyperbolic reaction to something that is only challenging the already unstable ethos of the GAA, same way as payment/incentive to players in the Dublin Club scene is doing the same.
By the way poaching a player to play for your county is the same whether it be the 30s 40s 90s etc etc. He was a Westmeath player and Dublin asked him to play for them, it's not as if had to be in Rochfortbridge for 6am sessions on a Wednesday and Friday. Did anyone care at the time, no and why should they same way the SJ drama doesn't particular interest me at the moment.
Spot on Dinny - most of those against it havent even any consistency in their own arguments. Its an amateur sport, these lads are amateur players who do this in their spare time. The holier than thou attitude from dublin in particular is a joke!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2012, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 29, 2012, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on January 29, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
If it was an argument with our esteemed journo Mr McKenna i think it was made abundantly clear what is going on re Johnston and his new pal Geezer & the debt ridden Kildare county board - a debt principally caused it has to be said by Geezer & his merry band of expensive mercenaries!
Not the case at all. Kildare's debt is mainly as a result of the Hawkfield development. The senior footballers do a lot of their own fundraising. They each raised €3k last year and fitted out their own purpose built gym at the K Club themselves. A large proportion of the money to finance the senior team comes from Club Kildare, not the CB. No doubt team expenses have to be cut down (as they do in most counties) but Kildare's debt is at a manageable level for the time being. Whilst not excusing it, it pales into comparison to several other counties. I think Kildare have received more publicity because they are actively trying to clear their debt, however successful that will be.
As for Johnston, very few in Kildare want him. Personally think it is a big error of judgement from our senior management.
Funny enough the original Dinny Breen won 4 Dublin senior county medals with the Garda club in 1929, 1933, 1934 and 1935. Even though he was a Westmeath footballer at the time he was invited to play for Dublin. An invitation he declined but alas there was no media sensationalism and sports did not exist in the popular culture sense so this request from Dublin stirred no controversy and with no social media to try and manipulate our sense of tribal emotion no one actually cared. Dinny was flattered to be asked but he was a Westmeath man. Every county is littered with similar stories, some played for their new adoptive county some didn't and the world moved on and nobody cared.
Would a more appropriate comparison not be a player who played with Westmeath, played club football in Dublin and was asked by say Limerick to sign a form saying he was a 'resident' in Limerick so he could play for them?
The Cavan County Board has issued the following statement:
"Re: Inter-county Transfer Request
"During the January meeting of Cavan county board's management committee, the issue of an inter-county transfer request was discussed. The committee have decided that they will be unable to assist this particular process as they believe there is a doubt about compliance with rial 6.9 T.O. 2011."
Quote from: haranguerer on January 31, 2012, 08:33:53 AM
Spot on Dinny - most of those against it havent even any consistency in their own arguments. Its an amateur sport, these lads are amateur players who do this in their spare time. The holier than thou attitude from dublin in particular is a joke!
Personally I've no problem with what Seanie Johnston is doing. If he wants to leave his club, as a free amateur player he's entitled to do it. If he wants to leave Cavan, then fine also.
Its Kildare's actions that I'd question.
Funny that Dinny has two alternative arguments for saying what Kildare is doing is fine:
1. Dublin did it in the 30s and 40s, so its ok for Kildare to do it now.
2. The game is evolving so its ok for Kildare to pick lads who have no connection with the county and don't even work in the county.
I don't blame McGeeney either. He's under huge pressure to be successful. Its the Kildare County Board, and therefore Kildare clubs, and therefore every member of Kildare GAA clubs who should be ashamed of themselves for offering incentives to play for the county.
Imagine if other top counties copied the Kildare model. You'd soon enough have all the top players playing for the best 8 or so counties
hold your horses chief I am not stating what Kildare is doing is right I am mocking the hyperbolic reaction in social media circles. I used what Dublin did in the 30s to emphasise that point not to excuse Kildare. To bury your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that the GAA will have to change is the other point evolution is happening how the Gaa controls that evolution is what's important.
I do find it ironic that you talk about incentives in this matter, what are your opinions on the Dublin club scene maybe you should throw your online energy into that disease, an issue more worthy and a bigger problem than the SJ will he or won't he saga.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 31, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
I do find it ironic that you talk about incentives in this matter, what are your opinions on the Dublin club scene maybe you should throw your online energy into that disease, an issue more worthy and a bigger problem than the SJ will he or won't he saga.
I think every Dublin poster here has been very consistent about incentives offered to outside players to play for Dublin clubs - it's a scourge and needs to be stopped. John Costello's suggestion in his annual report was a very practical first step.
Quote from: shezam on January 31, 2012, 08:47:12 AM
The Cavan County Board has issued the following statement:
"Re: Inter-county Transfer Request
"During the January meeting of Cavan county board's management committee, the issue of an inter-county transfer request was discussed. The committee have decided that they will be unable to assist this particular process as they believe there is a doubt about compliance with rial 6.9 T.O. 2011."
Well done to Cavan County Board. At least someone is looking out for the ethos of the GAA. Hopefully Cavan Gaels will do the right thing and say the same.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 31, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: shezam on January 31, 2012, 08:47:12 AM
The Cavan County Board has issued the following statement:
"Re: Inter-county Transfer Request
"During the January meeting of Cavan county board's management committee, the issue of an inter-county transfer request was discussed. The committee have decided that they will be unable to assist this particular process as they believe there is a doubt about compliance with rial 6.9 T.O. 2011."
Well done to Cavan County Board. At least someone is looking out for the ethos of the GAA. Hopefully Cavan Gaels will do the right thing and say the same.
The Breffni County have cited Rule 6.9 of the GAA's official guide which relates to the 'permanent residence' of the player seeking the transfer, with Cavan questioning whether Johnston is in fact living in Kildare.
Quote from: shezam on January 31, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 31, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: shezam on January 31, 2012, 08:47:12 AM
The Cavan County Board has issued the following statement:
"Re: Inter-county Transfer Request
"During the January meeting of Cavan county board's management committee, the issue of an inter-county transfer request was discussed. The committee have decided that they will be unable to assist this particular process as they believe there is a doubt about compliance with rial 6.9 T.O. 2011."
Well done to Cavan County Board. At least someone is looking out for the ethos of the GAA. Hopefully Cavan Gaels will do the right thing and say the same.
The Breffni County have cited Rule 6.9 of the GAA's official guide which relates to the 'permanent residence' of the player seeking the transfer, with Cavan questioning whether Johnston is in fact living in Kildare.
Get away, you mean they don't believe he upped sticks for no apparent reason and commutes to Cavan town each day?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 31, 2012, 09:18:28 AM
hold your horses chief I am not stating what Kildare is doing is right I am mocking the hyperbolic reaction in social media circles. I used what Dublin did in the 30s to emphasise that point not to excuse Kildare. To bury your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that the GAA will have to change is the other point evolution is happening how the Gaa controls that evolution is what's important.
I do find it ironic that you talk about incentives in this matter, what are your opinions on the Dublin club scene maybe you should throw your online energy into that disease, an issue more worthy and a bigger problem than the SJ will he or won't he saga.
Its ironic that you find it ironic, given your lack of condemnation for Kildare's incentives!!
Parnells are pretty much despised across Dublin club football because of the way they are attracting mercenaries. Parnells havent broken any rules, but like Kildare GAA, seem to be morally corrupt. DCB are trying to figure out if they can do anything and have flown the proverbial kite by making the seemingly outlandish suggestion of stopping all such players playing for their native counties if they wish to come to Dublin (by making them declare for Dublin, but never picking them for Dublin) - but that was dealt with on another thread.
If there was a free transfer system like you suggest we should evolve to, Dublin would undoubtedly benefit the most, because I'm sure we could outdo even Kildare regarding the incentives we could offer. Thankfully we have no interest in going down that road.
And I don't think many hold the view that you do that "The GAA will have to change" just to allow Kildare have free reign.
Quote from: Hound on January 31, 2012, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 31, 2012, 08:33:53 AM
Spot on Dinny - most of those against it havent even any consistency in their own arguments. Its an amateur sport, these lads are amateur players who do this in their spare time. The holier than thou attitude from dublin in particular is a joke!
Personally I've no problem with what Seanie Johnston is doing. If he wants to leave his club, as a free amateur player he's entitled to do it. If he wants to leave Cavan, then fine also.
Its Kildare's actions that I'd question.
Funny that Dinny has two alternative arguments for saying what Kildare is doing is fine:
1. Dublin did it in the 30s and 40s, so its ok for Kildare to do it now.
2. The game is evolving so its ok for Kildare to pick lads who have no connection with the county and don't even work in the county.
I don't blame McGeeney either. He's under huge pressure to be successful. Its the Kildare County Board, and therefore Kildare clubs, and therefore every member of Kildare GAA clubs who should be ashamed of themselves for offering incentives to play for the county.
Imagine if other top counties copied the Kildare model. You'd soon enough have all the top players playing for the best 8 or so counties
The vast majority of Kildare GAA people that I have spoken too are staunchly against this lad playing for Kildare. If he was living and working in Kildare then there's no problem if he wants to give it a go - Brian Murphy, Brian Lacey and Karl O'Dwyer did it in the 90s and all three contributed greatly to Kildare GAA after their respective inter-county retirements, likewise Ryan O'Dwyer and Maurice O'Brien with the Dublin hurlers. However, that doesn't appear to be the case here.
It's the fact that he's going to play for St Kevins that has me very uneasy about the whole thing. He supposedly wanted to play for Celbridge (same parish as Straffan where we're led to believe Johnston has an address....) but they rightly wanted to promote their own young talent rather than go down this road. Niall Carew, the one Kildare native on the management team, is a St Kevins man so you can draw your own conclusions from that. This whole thing appears to have been pushed by the senior management and I can't imagine that there are many on the Kildare panel that are too happy with all this. It doesn't exactly show a lot of faith in our current forwards who have got us close enough to the top in recent seasons.
QuoteIts ironic that you find it ironic, given your lack of condemnation for Kildare's incentives!!
If you can show me evidence of these incentives of course I will condemn them, not interested in conjecture just facts.
QuoteIf there was a free transfer system like you suggest we should evolve to, Dublin would undoubtedly benefit the most, because I'm sure we could outdo even Kildare regarding the incentives we could offer. Thankfully we have no interest in going down that road.
Of course Dublin wouldn't be, they already hold all the competitive advantages, have the largest population, their club football championship is the highest standard in the country (aided by outside players), the have paid coaches in nearly all their clubs, they disproportionally have the highest sports capital grants and they receive the most in corporate sponsorship, not to mention they play all their games in Croke Park.
QuoteAnd I don't think many hold the view that you do that "The GAA will have to change" just to allow Kildare have free reign.
That's not what I am saying, the SJ saga and the payment of incentives in Dublin are challenges to the GAA, how the GAA deal with these things will lead to evolution, that is the nature of sport and evolution can't be held back. Rule 21 and 42, minimum wage in soccer, The Bosman, rugby turning professional, the Whip Ban in horse racing etc etc
And just to reiterate I am against SJ joining Kildare in this matter, just in case anyone is thinking that I am try to condone it whereas I am just fascinated by the hyperbolic reaction from the Dublin posters who should really be interested bystanders.
In fact the vitriol now aimed at Kildare GAA from Dublin forum posters particular those that reside on Reservoir Dubs is almost worthy of a study in itself. Social Media the destructive and negative views of a few, can they create and generate opinion in the Mass?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 10:48:22 AM
Quote from: Hound on January 31, 2012, 08:53:21 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 31, 2012, 08:33:53 AM
Spot on Dinny - most of those against it havent even any consistency in their own arguments. Its an amateur sport, these lads are amateur players who do this in their spare time. The holier than thou attitude from dublin in particular is a joke!
Personally I've no problem with what Seanie Johnston is doing. If he wants to leave his club, as a free amateur player he's entitled to do it. If he wants to leave Cavan, then fine also.
Its Kildare's actions that I'd question.
Funny that Dinny has two alternative arguments for saying what Kildare is doing is fine:
1. Dublin did it in the 30s and 40s, so its ok for Kildare to do it now.
2. The game is evolving so its ok for Kildare to pick lads who have no connection with the county and don't even work in the county.
I don't blame McGeeney either. He's under huge pressure to be successful. Its the Kildare County Board, and therefore Kildare clubs, and therefore every member of Kildare GAA clubs who should be ashamed of themselves for offering incentives to play for the county.
Imagine if other top counties copied the Kildare model. You'd soon enough have all the top players playing for the best 8 or so counties
The vast majority of Kildare GAA people that I have spoken too are staunchly against this lad playing for Kildare. If he was living and working in Kildare then there's no problem if he wants to give it a go - Brian Murphy, Brian Lacey and Karl O'Dwyer did it in the 90s and all three contributed greatly to Kildare GAA after their respective inter-county retirements, likewise Ryan O'Dwyer and Maurice O'Brien with the Dublin hurlers. However, that doesn't appear to be the case here.
It's the fact that he's going to play for St Kevins that has me very uneasy about the whole thing. He supposedly wanted to play for Celbridge (same parish as Straffan where we're led to believe Johnston has an address....) but they rightly wanted to promote their own young talent rather than go down this road. Niall Carew, the one Kildare native on the management team, is a St Kevins man so you can draw your own conclusions from that. This whole thing appears to have been pushed by the senior management and I can't imagine that there are many on the Kildare panel that are too happy with all this. It doesn't exactly show a lot of faith in our current forwards who have got us close enough to the top in recent seasons.
+1
Just to reiterate this all been handled badly and reflects badly on Kildare GAA.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 31, 2012, 11:12:51 AM
QuoteIts ironic that you find it ironic, given your lack of condemnation for Kildare's incentives!!
If you can show me evidence of these incentives of course I will condemn them, not interested in conjecture just facts.
QuoteIf there was a free transfer system like you suggest we should evolve to, Dublin would undoubtedly benefit the most, because I'm sure we could outdo even Kildare regarding the incentives we could offer. Thankfully we have no interest in going down that road.
Of course Dublin wouldn't be, they already hold all the competitive advantages, have the largest population, their club football championship is the highest standard in the country (aided by outside players), the have paid coaches in nearly all their clubs, they disproportionally have the highest sports capital grants and they receive the most in corporate sponsorship, not to mention they play all their games in Croke Park.
QuoteAnd I don't think many hold the view that you do that "The GAA will have to change" just to allow Kildare have free reign.
That's not what I am saying, the SJ saga and the payment of incentives in Dublin are challenges to the GAA, how the GAA deal with these things will lead to evolution, that is the nature of sport and evolution can't be held back. Rule 21 and 42, minimum wage in soccer, The Bosman, rugby turning professional, the Whip Ban in horse racing etc etc
And just to reiterate I am against SJ joining Kildare in this matter, just in case anyone is thinking that I am try to condone it whereas I am just fascinated by the hyperbolic reaction from the Dublin posters who should really be interested bystanders.
In fact the vitriol now aimed at Kildare GAA from Dublin forum posters particular those that reside on Reservoir Dubs is almost worthy of a study in itself. Social Media the destructive and negative views of a few, can they create and generate opinion in the Mass?
Really don't understand that one myself. Even during the mid 90s when the Dublin/Kildare rivalry on the field was quite fierce, I never had a bad experience with Dublin supporters. Maybe with so many of them living in Kildare these days the dynamics of the rivalry have changed somewhat?
I suppose it would be worse if they weren't talking about us!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 11:21:47 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 31, 2012, 11:12:51 AM
QuoteIts ironic that you find it ironic, given your lack of condemnation for Kildare's incentives!!
If you can show me evidence of these incentives of course I will condemn them, not interested in conjecture just facts.
QuoteIf there was a free transfer system like you suggest we should evolve to, Dublin would undoubtedly benefit the most, because I'm sure we could outdo even Kildare regarding the incentives we could offer. Thankfully we have no interest in going down that road.
Of course Dublin wouldn't be, they already hold all the competitive advantages, have the largest population, their club football championship is the highest standard in the country (aided by outside players), the have paid coaches in nearly all their clubs, they disproportionally have the highest sports capital grants and they receive the most in corporate sponsorship, not to mention they play all their games in Croke Park.
QuoteAnd I don't think many hold the view that you do that "The GAA will have to change" just to allow Kildare have free reign.
That's not what I am saying, the SJ saga and the payment of incentives in Dublin are challenges to the GAA, how the GAA deal with these things will lead to evolution, that is the nature of sport and evolution can't be held back. Rule 21 and 42, minimum wage in soccer, The Bosman, rugby turning professional, the Whip Ban in horse racing etc etc
And just to reiterate I am against SJ joining Kildare in this matter, just in case anyone is thinking that I am try to condone it whereas I am just fascinated by the hyperbolic reaction from the Dublin posters who should really be interested bystanders.
In fact the vitriol now aimed at Kildare GAA from Dublin forum posters particular those that reside on Reservoir Dubs is almost worthy of a study in itself. Social Media the destructive and negative views of a few, can they create and generate opinion in the Mass?
Really don't understand that one myself. Even during the mid 90s when the Dublin/Kildare rivalry on the field was quite fierce, I never had a bad experience with Dublin supporters. Maybe with so many of them living in Kildare these days the dynamics of the rivalry have changed somewhat?
I suppose it would be worse if they weren't talking about us!
Can't understand that either - wouldn't see any reason for it myself..
DINNY BREEn you never replied to my comment a few pages back about the other players!! And Donnellys Hollow what is wrong with him goig to Kevins? He had to go somewhere and thats bull about Celbridge, loads of clubs were quoted Straffan, Celbridge, Clane,Kevins even Nurney and Naas. And i said to a Kevins lads about your quote of the turf cutting ban which was funny !! He replied saying that there is no ban on the sheep shagging around the curragh in donnellys hollow haha you probably do be up there ha. :D :D
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
DINNY BREEn you never replied to my comment a few pages back about the other players!! And Donnellys Hollow what is wrong with him goig to Kevins? He had to go somewhere and thats bull about Celbridge, loads of clubs were quoted Straffan, Celbridge, Clane,Kevins even Nurney and Naas. And i said to a Kevins lads about your quote of the turf cutting ban which was funny !! He replied saying that there is no ban on the sheep shagging around the curragh in donnellys hollow haha you probably do be up there ha. :D :D
What?
Quote from: haranguerer on January 31, 2012, 08:33:53 AM
...I don't blame McGeeney either. He's under huge pressure to be successful. Its the Kildare County Board, and therefore Kildare clubs, and therefore every member of Kildare GAA clubs who should be ashamed of themselves for offering incentives to play for the county....
There has been a lot of rubbish talked on here. I presume Donnelly'sHollow and DinnyBreen agree that if Kildare GAA Board offered Johnson a financial incentive to transfer then that would be against the nature of the game and shameful. That in mind I can not believe the statement above. To imply some sort of universal guilt applies simply for someone being a supporter of their county is intemperate to say the least.
The rules are and should be quite simple. If Johnson uproots his life and moves to permanently reside in Kildare and plays for a Kildare club then he absolutely should be allowed to be eligible for the County team. If he does not reside there then he should not be eligible. Permanent residence should be established on the fact (like the revenue do). It is the home where he spends the most time.
But accusing Kildare supporters of being culpable of some shameful act is ridiculous
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
And Donnellys Hollow what is wrong with him goig to Kevins? He had to go somewhere and thats bull about Celbridge, loads of clubs were quoted Straffan, Celbridge, Clane,Kevins even Nurney and Naas.
"We have heard the rumours like anybody else but there has been no contact about any possible transfer. We would not be looking for it either.
"We have plenty of young players here in the club and we are concentrating on bringing them through," said a club source. http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx)
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
He replied saying that there is no ban on the sheep shagging around the curragh in donnellys hollow haha you probably do be up there ha. :D :D
Mature. Anyway, I don't live in Athgarvan anymore.
Quote from: PAULD123 on January 31, 2012, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on January 31, 2012, 08:33:53 AM
...I don't blame McGeeney either. He's under huge pressure to be successful. Its the Kildare County Board, and therefore Kildare clubs, and therefore every member of Kildare GAA clubs who should be ashamed of themselves for offering incentives to play for the county....
There has been a lot of rubbish talked on here. I presume Donnelly'sHollow and DinnyBreen agree that if Kildare GAA Board offered Johnson a financial incentive to transfer then that would be against the nature of the game and shameful. That in mind I can not believe the statement above. To imply some sort of universal guilt applies simply for someone being a supporter of their county is intemperate to say the least.
The rules are and should be quite simple. If Johnson uproots his life and moves to permanently reside in Kildare and plays for a Kildare club then he absolutely should be allowed to be eligible for the County team. If he does not reside there then he should not be eligible. Permanent residence should be established on the fact (like the revenue do). It is the home where he spends the most time.
But accusing Kildare supporters of being culpable of some shameful act is ridiculous
Absolutely.
If Johnston was living, working and playing his club football in Kildare I would have no objection to him declaring for ourselves but I would stilll prefer if we persisted with the young talent that is in the county.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
And Donnellys Hollow what is wrong with him goig to Kevins? He had to go somewhere and thats bull about Celbridge, loads of clubs were quoted Straffan, Celbridge, Clane,Kevins even Nurney and Naas.
"We have heard the rumours like anybody else but there has been no contact about any possible transfer. We would not be looking for it either.
"We have plenty of young players here in the club and we are concentrating on bringing them through," said a club source.
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx)
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
He replied saying that there is no ban on the sheep shagging around the curragh in donnellys hollow haha you probably do be up there ha. :D :D
Mature. Anyway, I don't live in Athgarvan anymore.
yes thats what i said many clubs were rumoured to be all the ones i named. And Celbridge were quoted as saying that after it was known he was going to Kevins! Yeah it was mature was suppose to get a laugh like your post about the turf was. Doesn't matter who he plays for once he commits to both Kevins and Kildare! It is probably bull about his house in Straffan but if he comes down and trains like everyone else i wish him the best then. Because he will get the transfer and we can look forward to him scoring the winning point in the Leinster Final
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
And Donnellys Hollow what is wrong with him goig to Kevins? He had to go somewhere and thats bull about Celbridge, loads of clubs were quoted Straffan, Celbridge, Clane,Kevins even Nurney and Naas.
"We have heard the rumours like anybody else but there has been no contact about any possible transfer. We would not be looking for it either.
"We have plenty of young players here in the club and we are concentrating on bringing them through," said a club source.
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx)
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
He replied saying that there is no ban on the sheep shagging around the curragh in donnellys hollow haha you probably do be up there ha. :D :D
Mature. Anyway, I don't live in Athgarvan anymore.
Thats a hell of a leap from the statement made above to them having told Johnson they wouldnt take him!!! It sounds like its a standard answer to a journos question.
Just to note also, one of the top forwards in the country transferring to your club isn't mutually exclusive to bringing on your own talent - quite the opposite I'd contend in fact.
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 03:14:49 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 31, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
And Donnellys Hollow what is wrong with him goig to Kevins? He had to go somewhere and thats bull about Celbridge, loads of clubs were quoted Straffan, Celbridge, Clane,Kevins even Nurney and Naas.
"We have heard the rumours like anybody else but there has been no contact about any possible transfer. We would not be looking for it either.
"We have plenty of young players here in the club and we are concentrating on bringing them through," said a club source.
http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx (http://www.kildare-nationalist.ie/tabId/205/itemId/13458/Celbridge-dismiss-talk-of-Johnston-move.aspx)
Quote from: kildare2012 on January 31, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
He replied saying that there is no ban on the sheep shagging around the curragh in donnellys hollow haha you probably do be up there ha. :D :D
Mature. Anyway, I don't live in Athgarvan anymore.
yes thats what i said many clubs were rumoured to be all the ones i named. And Celbridge were quoted as saying that after it was known he was going to Kevins! Yeah it was mature was suppose to get a laugh like your post about the turf was. Doesn't matter who he plays for once he commits to both Kevins and Kildare! It is probably bull about his house in Straffan but if he comes down and trains like everyone else i wish him the best then. Because he will get the transfer and we can look forward to him scoring the winning point in the Leinster Final
Read back through the thread my friend. The post about turf was in reply to a post by Heffo. I've absolutely no problem with Kevins nor do I have any sort of agenda against them but I do think that the Carew link is a little too convenient.
We're led to believe he has an address in Straffan so why is the transfer not to Straffan then?
yes i agree with you donnelly hollow that it could well be carew but i heard that johnston approached kevins!! And as i stated before if he went to Allenwood or Sarsfileds you could say it was Johnny Doyle and Dermot Earley who got them to go there. AND People would say that he had to go somewhere in the end of the day. And when this transfer goes through i wish him well seen as his county management dont want him
It's sad to see the flourbags tearing themselves apart over a Cavan man.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 31, 2012, 05:19:32 PM
It's sad to see the flourbags tearing themselves apart over a Cavan man.
:D classic case of killing two with one there,
Dinny - think you're vering towards paranoia if you think Dublin supporters criticising this is all about a dislike of all things Kildare. As I think has been shown re comments on Dublin club scene most of us are capable of having and voicing principles that we believe in. Amazingly that ability we have can be applied to issues re all counties including ourselves!
Would be interested and no doubt very amused at the reaction if the DCB were pulling a stroke like this. I am absolutely certain that we wouldn't get away with tagging it as a necessary step in the GAAs evolution! That's for sure!!!
I thought the Cavan PRO (Woods) came across well on off the ball earlier.
The newstalk lads were implying that the county board were just trying to make life difficult for Seanie.
If he doesn't live in Kildare, he doesn't live in Kildare.
That's not the county boards fault.
Eoin McDevitt brought up the allegation that Cavan breached the winter training ban a couple of years ago.
What's that got to do with anything? ???
Quote from: Jinxy on January 31, 2012, 09:25:03 PM
I thought the Cavan PRO (Woods) came across well on off the ball earlier.
The newstalk lads were implying that the county board were just trying to make life difficult for Seanie.
If he doesn't live in Kildare, he doesn't live in Kildare.
That's not the county boards fault.
Eoin McDevitt brought up the allegation that Cavan breached the winter training ban a couple of years ago.
What's that got to do with anything? ???
Absolutley right Jinxy. Declan Woods told it as it is. He does not live in Straffan and if he does he'll be able to produce utility bills etc to prove it. The boy back in the studio was a right dipshit, apparently if a player wants to move county they should just be allowed to. Sure why bother have a rule book at all. Seanie Johnston is going to really make this split an impossible thing to fix if he keeps pushing like this. If it goes wrong he could very easily find himself in limbo with no county willing to or able to play him.
I thought it was weird the way one of them said after the call, "They'll just prove he lives in Straffan and that'll be that".
As if this was just some petty effort to delay the whole thing by the Cavan county board.
HE DOESN'T LIVE IN STRAFFAN!
Quote from: Jinxy on January 31, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
I thought it was weird the way one of them said after the call, "They'll just prove he lives in Straffan and that'll be that".
As if this was just some petty effort to delay the whole thing by the Cavan county board.
HE DOESN'T LIVE IN STRAFFAN!
I know, what the hell was that supposed to mean. Sure why don't they get Johnstons agent to talk to Val and arrange a transfer fee and he can sign a 4 year contract with them. Going on about the training ban last year was a bit like the child who didn't get their way so they picked on something else they thought they could win. Suprised they didn't ask him about the time the players kicked out Liam Austin!
I like off the ball but they seem to be very player centred.
As in the rights of the individual trump everything else.
Maybe that's a shrewd move on their behalf given that they'll be looking for an interview off Seanie when the dust settles on this.
Seanie better hury up, transfer window closes in 1 hour.
Could Kildare be in danger of bringing us back to the bad old days of the GAA when objections were quite common after matches. If Kildare were to win a Championship match with Seanie Johnston in their team, could the defeated team lodge an objection on the grounds that Kildare fielded an illegal player. I doubt if it would happen, but they are taking a chance if they play him.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 31, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
I thought it was weird the way one of them said after the call, "They'll just prove he lives in Straffan and that'll be that".
As if this was just some petty effort to delay the whole thing by the Cavan county board.
HE DOESN'T LIVE IN STRAFFAN!
I heard he's living in Bill Clinton's place in the K Club...
Would love to be at GAA meet where the bould seanie comes in to try anf convince the lads that he's living in Kildare - has the makings of pure commedy! ;D
Quote from: Onlooker on January 31, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
Could Kildare be in danger of bringing us back to the bad old days of the GAA when objections were quite common after matches. If Kildare were to win a Championship match with Seanie Johnston in their team, could the defeated team lodge an objection on the grounds that Kildare fielded an illegal player. I doubt if it would happen, but they are taking a chance if they play him.
So it would be the defeated team who would be 'bringing us back to the bad old days'..... ???
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 31, 2012, 09:46:44 PM
Going on about the training ban last year was a bit like the child who didn't get their way so they picked on something else they thought they could win. Suprised they didn't ask him about the time the players kicked out Liam Austin!
Next week, OTB grill Declan on Cavan's culpability in the Jamesy Kernan incident.
Seanie Johnston walks into a bar, sits down and starts crying.
The barman asks, "What's wrong?"
Seanie looks at the barman through teary eyes and between sobs says, "I live with this cracker of a woman. She's a marvellous cook, a brilliant housekeeper, attends to all my wants and needs. Most of all, she's dynamite in the sack."
The barman stares at Seanie. "So what are you crying about?"
Seanie sobs, "I can't remember where I live!"
Quote from: heffo on January 31, 2012, 09:48:15 AM
Quote from: shezam on January 31, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 31, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: shezam on January 31, 2012, 08:47:12 AM
The Cavan County Board has issued the following statement:
"Re: Inter-county Transfer Request
"During the January meeting of Cavan county board's management committee, the issue of an inter-county transfer request was discussed. The committee have decided that they will be unable to assist this particular process as they believe there is a doubt about compliance with rial 6.9 T.O. 2011."
Well done to Cavan County Board. At least someone is looking out for the ethos of the GAA. Hopefully Cavan Gaels will do the right thing and say the same.
The Breffni County have cited Rule 6.9 of the GAA's official guide which relates to the 'permanent residence' of the player seeking the transfer, with Cavan questioning whether Johnston is in fact living in Kildare.
Get away, you mean they don't believe he upped sticks for no apparent reason and commutes to Cavan town each day?
Is it just me or have standards slipped? Used to be the poor unfortunate Nordies cried foul over double standards?
It's obviously free slather so I 'm happy to confirm that Heffo is the journalist Martin Breheny.
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 11:11:19 AM
Seanie Johnston walks into a bar, sits down and starts crying.
The barman asks, "What's wrong?"
Seanie looks at the barman through teary eyes and between sobs says, "I live with this cracker of a woman. She's a marvellous cook, a brilliant housekeeper, attends to all my wants and needs. Most of all, she's dynamite in the sack."
The barman stares at Seanie. "So what are you crying about?"
Seanie sobs, "I can't remember where I live!"
lol :D :D
I like Off the Ball, but I think McDevitt was way off the mark yesterday, especially around the training ban and then payment to managers. What would have been a much more pertinent question was the Rory Gallagher scenario with Cavan.
In fairness, I think Cavan have every right to query when one of their best players is on the way out, and I think the PRO handled it quite well.
McDevitt seems to be very deferential to certain individuals(any of the regular pundits from any sport), and then in an instance like last night tries to be the hard hitting reporter asking the difficult questions, but it doesn't work that well for him
Thats a Newstalk trait I'm afraid.
Full of pomposity and their own self importance.
They love to be 'one of the lads' and parading their 'inside knowledge' of the dressing room.
Anyone who has Parkinson and Brady as regular contributors can't be taken too seriously.
Yer man on the lunchtime show is another clown.
HOPE YE ARE READING THIS!!!!!!!!!! Put it on air tonight!!
QuoteKildare County Board president Seamus Aldridge has criticised the handling of Seanie Johnston's stalled transfer to the county.
The former Leinster chairman believes manager Kieran McGeeney was wrong to speak about the switch before it had been formalised.
He also questioned what the transfer, if successful, will mean to Kildare's up-and-coming footballers.
Aldridge's comments come as Cavan's management committee refused to support Johnstown's transfer from Cavan Gaels to St Kevin's, Staplestown.
They have raised doubts about the legitimacy of Johnston's claim that he is permanently living in Kildare, as is necessary for the switch to be granted.
Kildare chiefs are now likely to be asked by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to prove Johnston is residing in the county on a full-time basis.
Aldridge has no problem with the 27-year-old moving to Kildare providing everything is above board.
However, he believes McGeeney shouldn't have commented on Johnston making the transfer.
"If he's legal to come then he can come but if he's not, he shouldn't," said Aldridge. "I felt it was inappropriate for the team management to say anything on the subject before it has been made official."
McGeeney has stated he would welcome Johnston with "open arms" but warned the player will have to work hard to force his way into the team.
But Aldridge feels the optics of the possibility of the forward coming into the Kildare panel are wrong.
"If someone comes in like that, then you have the problem of the message sent to young players.
"What sort of signal is it going to send to them? It doesn't seem to be fulfilling the requirements of the GAA."
Aldridge appreciates Kildare have a history of transfers but points out Kerry's Karl O'Dwyer, son of former manager Mick, was a teacher in Rathangan and Brian Murphy, a Cork native, managed a factory in Naas.
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/johnston-transfer-row-escalates-182154.html#ixzz1l8QmQNQ7
I wouldn't have much grá for Seámus Aldridge but I agree with everything he says here. About time someone from within Kildare GAA articulated the views widely held by a large proportion of Kildare GAA members.
aldridge was the spokesperson trying to stop a move to a meath club by a couple of players in the early 90's. So at least he isnt completely hypocritical here. Still would have expected him to come out with a stronger view against the move given his past opinions..
Quote from: liihb on February 01, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
I like Off the Ball, but I think McDevitt was way off the mark yesterday, especially around the training ban and then payment to managers. What would have been a much more pertinent question was the Rory Gallagher scenario with Cavan.
In fairness, I think Cavan have every right to query when one of their best players is on the way out, and I think the PRO handled it quite well.
McDevitt seems to be very deferential to certain individuals(any of the regular pundits from any sport), and then in an instance like last night tries to be the hard hitting reporter asking the difficult questions, but it doesn't work that well for him
Yeah the rugby guy (McNaughton) he had on before Woods is a classic example.
He was bemoaning the fact that the Irish government stopped him touring South Africa during apartheid.
It struck me as an interesting thing to say given that black protesters were regularly being murdered in the townships at the time.
McDevitt had the perfect opportunity to question him further on this yet didn't.
The GAA is an easy target these days to be honest.
Quote from: Give and Go on February 01, 2012, 12:45:48 PM
Thats a Newstalk trait I'm afraid.
Full of pomposity and their own self importance.
They love to be 'one of the lads' and parading their 'inside knowledge' of the dressing room.
A pair of goms. How anyone can listen to their inane drivel for hours at a time, five nights a week is beyond me.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 01, 2012, 01:04:02 PM
QuoteKildare County Board president Seamus Aldridge has criticised the handling of Seanie Johnston's stalled transfer to the county.
The former Leinster chairman believes manager Kieran McGeeney was wrong to speak about the switch before it had been formalised.
He also questioned what the transfer, if successful, will mean to Kildare's up-and-coming footballers.
Aldridge's comments come as Cavan's management committee refused to support Johnstown's transfer from Cavan Gaels to St Kevin's, Staplestown.
They have raised doubts about the legitimacy of Johnston's claim that he is permanently living in Kildare, as is necessary for the switch to be granted.
Kildare chiefs are now likely to be asked by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to prove Johnston is residing in the county on a full-time basis.
Aldridge has no problem with the 27-year-old moving to Kildare providing everything is above board.
However, he believes McGeeney shouldn't have commented on Johnston making the transfer.
"If he's legal to come then he can come but if he's not, he shouldn't," said Aldridge. "I felt it was inappropriate for the team management to say anything on the subject before it has been made official."
McGeeney has stated he would welcome Johnston with "open arms" but warned the player will have to work hard to force his way into the team.
But Aldridge feels the optics of the possibility of the forward coming into the Kildare panel are wrong.
"If someone comes in like that, then you have the problem of the message sent to young players.
"What sort of signal is it going to send to them? It doesn't seem to be fulfilling the requirements of the GAA."
Aldridge appreciates Kildare have a history of transfers but points out Kerry's Karl O'Dwyer, son of former manager Mick, was a teacher in Rathangan and Brian Murphy, a Cork native, managed a factory in Naas.
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/johnston-transfer-row-escalates-182154.html#ixzz1l8QmQNQ7
I wouldn't have much grá for Seámus Aldridge but I agree with everything he says here. About time someone from within Kildare GAA articulated the views widely held by a large proportion of Kildare GAA members.
Takes a Towers man to say what needs to be said. ;)
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 02:07:40 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 01, 2012, 12:45:48 PM
Thats a Newstalk trait I'm afraid.
Full of pomposity and their own self importance.
They love to be 'one of the lads' and parading their 'inside knowledge' of the dressing room.
A pair of goms. How anyone can listen to their inane drivel for hours at a time, five nights a week is beyond me.
In fairness Hardy I do like them, they run a good show, and the cover all spectrum of sports in fairness to them. They are usually fairly good GAA supporters but the fact that most (not all!) GAA members believe you should play for where you come from seems to have slipped their mind. Also whoever mentioned Parkinson is right, total clown, and wouldn't be taken seriously in genuine GAA circles IMHO.
Wonder did any of them check this out
http://www.balls.ie/2012/02/01/no-wonder-seanie-johnston-hasnt-moved-to-straffan/
Seems like a right bit of traveling from Seanie
Seanie Johnston walks into a bar.
It's his local in Straffan.
The barman says, "You from around these parts?"
I listened back to the interview with Cavan PRO Declan Woods from Off The Ball last night (about half way through the second hour) and thought Woods produced a very reasoned and sensible argument as to why the transfer shouldn't go through if the player cannot prove he is living in Kildare. McDevitt produced a couple of bizarre arguments about winter training and payments to managers that he hadn't thought through at all to try and twist things in his favour. Only he knew what relevance those arguments had.
When the interview was over McDevitt and Murphy back in the studio went on a mini-rant about how Cavan were just bitter and implying Johnston was being victimised, the two clearly being in favour of him transferring, although I could have guessed that by McDevitt's tone during the interview anyway. Thought it was pathetic from the two Newstalk lads to be honest. I'd say they're clearly angling for "the big interview" with Johnston if the transfer goes ahead. I've generally been a big fan of their coverage over the years but they were, way, way off the mark here.
Murphy in particular for such a self-professed GAA man seems to be in favour of a lot of things that would undermine its ethos. You can be sure that getting interviews rather than objective coverage is at the heart of that attitude.
McDevitt stated that "Cavan are clearly trying to make it as difficult as possible for this transfer to go through". Yeah, there's a bloody good reason why they are. It's because it directly contravenes both the rules and the spirit of everything the GAA is about. This is not a legitimate transfer like, say, Billy Joe Padden going to Armagh. If Johnston is living in Straffan, and every person in Ireland with any interest in the GAA at this stage knows that he's not, then it shouldn't be too difficult for him to prove it, should it? Or have the forged electricity bills not come through yet?
If the Johnston transfer is allowed, it might not "open the floodgates" but it might well come to be seen as a sort of landmark case. I don't remember a previous inter-county transfer that has been motivated solely by glory-hunting. Something like this will certainly help to damage the club and county ethos.
How anybody can take the view that Johnston should do anything else but fook off with his whinging and try and play his way back onto the Cavan panel is beyond me. This guy's a piss taker of the highest order and Kildare should be ashamed of their part of this too.
Seanie Johnston walks into a bar.
He orders a pint and a short.
The barman says, "Seanie - are you sure you should be
drinking pints and small ones? Not good for your football",
Seanie says, "Football?"
Seanie Johnson walks into a bar.
It was being wielded by Myles "Take that ya treacherous h00r"
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 03:59:49 PM
If the Johnston transfer is allowed, it might not "open the floodgates" but it might well come to be seen as a sort of landmark case. I don't remember a previous inter-county transfer that has been motivated solely by glory-hunting. Something like this will certainly help to damage the club and county ethos.
It may seem a bit rich Cavan giving out about the rules being flaunted in this case when they were perfectly happy to break them when it suited them - I assume Mcdevitts point is along the lines of whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and while it is a bit of whataboutery, it is relevant in an argument like this.
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
And give over about the ethos of the gaa as if its sacrosanct.....not that long ago part of the the ethos of the gaa was not allowing any of its players to play foreign sports, much more recently its ethos was not to allow foreign games to be played n its pitches, and more recently still it was not to allow members of the security forces to play gaelic games. Thats all changed. So was the ethos incorrect, or were the changes incorrect?
Quote from: Hardy on February 01, 2012, 03:59:29 PM
Seanie Johnston walks into a bar.
It's his local in Straffan.
The barman says, "You from around these parts?"
:D
Quote from: LeoMc on February 01, 2012, 04:24:58 PM
Seanie Johnson walks into a bar.
It was being wielded by Myles "Take that ya treacherous h00r"
:D :D :D
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 03:59:49 PM
If the Johnston transfer is allowed, it might not "open the floodgates" but it might well come to be seen as a sort of landmark case. I don't remember a previous inter-county transfer that has been motivated solely by glory-hunting. Something like this will certainly help to damage the club and county ethos.
It may seem a bit rich Cavan giving out about the rules being flaunted in this case when they were perfectly happy to break them when it suited them - I assume Mcdevitts point is along the lines of whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and while it is a bit of whataboutery, it is relevant in an argument like this.
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
And give over about the ethos of the gaa as if its sacrosanct.....not that long ago part of the the ethos of the gaa was not allowing any of its players to play foreign sports, much more recently its ethos was not to allow foreign games to be played n its pitches, and more recently still it was not to allow members of the security forces to play gaelic games. Thats all changed. So was the ethos incorrect, or were the changes incorrect?
Why Kildare then?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 01, 2012, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 03:59:49 PM
If the Johnston transfer is allowed, it might not "open the floodgates" but it might well come to be seen as a sort of landmark case. I don't remember a previous inter-county transfer that has been motivated solely by glory-hunting. Something like this will certainly help to damage the club and county ethos.
It may seem a bit rich Cavan giving out about the rules being flaunted in this case when they were perfectly happy to break them when it suited them - I assume Mcdevitts point is along the lines of whats good for the goose is good for the gander, and while it is a bit of whataboutery, it is relevant in an argument like this.
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
And give over about the ethos of the gaa as if its sacrosanct.....not that long ago part of the the ethos of the gaa was not allowing any of its players to play foreign sports, much more recently its ethos was not to allow foreign games to be played n its pitches, and more recently still it was not to allow members of the security forces to play gaelic games. Thats all changed. So was the ethos incorrect, or were the changes incorrect?
Why Kildare then?
He lives in Straffan, haven't you been following the thread!!
Heard the Newstalk interview there. Woods actually spoke very well. Thought the Newstalk boys were way 'off the ball' ironically. Sounded completely biased and all they want is to see Seanie go too Kildare.
Eoin threw in a few fair unfair questions but Woods handled them well and stuck to this original talking point well. Fair play to him.
Completely take Declan's side in that interview. Fair play.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
Eoin Kelly has been told he won't be playing for Waterford this year. Thankfully he hasn't suddenly decided he wants to play for Galway as a result. Same with Kevin Cassidy. He hasn't suddenly thrown in his lot with Mayo. It says an awful lot about somebody that they immediately throw their toys out of the pram like this. I wouldn't want somebody like that on my team.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 31, 2012, 11:12:51 AM
And just to reiterate I am against SJ joining Kildare in this matter, just in case anyone is thinking that I am try to condone it whereas I am just fascinated by the hyperbolic reaction from the Dublin posters who should really be interested bystanders.
In fact the vitriol now aimed at Kildare GAA from Dublin forum posters particular those that reside on Reservoir Dubs is almost worthy of a study in itself. Social Media the destructive and negative views of a few, can they create and generate opinion in the Mass?
So basically your annoyed and fascinated that some Dublin supporters have the same opinion as you do on this controversey?
Why's he called 'Jelly'?
Does he like jelly?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 01, 2012, 09:52:13 PM
Why's he called 'Jelly'?
Does he like jelly?
Jelly really wanna know ?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 01, 2012, 09:52:13 PM
Why's he called 'Jelly'?
Does he like jelly?
Dunno but if this transfer goes through I think he'll be given a new nickname.
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
See 'solely'. If he had been called up for cavan, would he be now transferrign to Kildare?
If nobody owes any player a game at inter co level, then similarly no player owes anyone anything at inter co level. Its an amateur sport ffs.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
See 'solely'. If he had been called up for cavan, would he be now transferrign to Kildare?
If nobody owes any player a game at inter co level, then similarly no player owes anyone anything at inter co level. Its an amateur sport ffs.
[/b]
Taking that to it's logical conclusion, no rules should apply. And so a player can decide to switch allegiances during a competition; 'I was taken off today, feck them, I want to play with the winners in the next round'....
Grow up. He's illegal. End of story.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 01, 2012, 01:04:02 PM
QuoteKildare County Board president Seamus Aldridge has criticised the handling of Seanie Johnston's stalled transfer to the county.
The former Leinster chairman believes manager Kieran McGeeney was wrong to speak about the switch before it had been formalised.
He also questioned what the transfer, if successful, will mean to Kildare's up-and-coming footballers.
Aldridge's comments come as Cavan's management committee refused to support Johnstown's transfer from Cavan Gaels to St Kevin's, Staplestown.
They have raised doubts about the legitimacy of Johnston's claim that he is permanently living in Kildare, as is necessary for the switch to be granted.
Kildare chiefs are now likely to be asked by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to prove Johnston is residing in the county on a full-time basis.
Aldridge has no problem with the 27-year-old moving to Kildare providing everything is above board.
However, he believes McGeeney shouldn't have commented on Johnston making the transfer.
"If he's legal to come then he can come but if he's not, he shouldn't," said Aldridge. "I felt it was inappropriate for the team management to say anything on the subject before it has been made official."
McGeeney has stated he would welcome Johnston with "open arms" but warned the player will have to work hard to force his way into the team.
But Aldridge feels the optics of the possibility of the forward coming into the Kildare panel are wrong.
"If someone comes in like that, then you have the problem of the message sent to young players.
"What sort of signal is it going to send to them? It doesn't seem to be fulfilling the requirements of the GAA."
Aldridge appreciates Kildare have a history of transfers but points out Kerry's Karl O'Dwyer, son of former manager Mick, was a teacher in Rathangan and Brian Murphy, a Cork native, managed a factory in Naas.
Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/johnston-transfer-row-escalates-182154.html#ixzz1l8QmQNQ7
I wouldn't have much grá for Seámus Aldridge but I agree with everything he says here. About time someone from within Kildare GAA articulated the views widely held by a large proportion of Kildare GAA members.
I think that's complete BS from Aldridge. Not untypical from an administrator trying to deflect blame.
McGeeney has done nothing wrong. His job is to have Kildare win as many games as possible. The future, the youth, club players, etc. all pretty much irrelevant to his job spec - that's the KCB to look after. McGeeney was asked a question and answered it. And he did it in very general terms saying he'd accept anyone who's eligible, and he did even put in the proviso at the end that they'd have to work hard to displace anyone else.
The President of the Kildare County Board has come up with a statement saying "
If he's legal...".
According to the Cavan PRO, the KCB (and St Kevins) have already signed a statement declaring that he meets all the transfer requirements, including the residency part!
In those circumstances, Aldridge has some brass neck trying to blame McGeeney.
I agree with that. McGeeney only responded to a reporter's question and did so in very reasponable terms.
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
See 'solely'. If he had been called up for cavan, would he be now transferrign to Kildare?
If nobody owes any player a game at inter co level, then similarly no player owes anyone anything at inter co level. Its an amateur sport ffs.
[/b]
Taking that to it's logical conclusion, no rules should apply. And so a player can decide to switch allegiances during a competition; 'I was taken off today, feck them, I want to play with the winners in the next round'....
Grow up. He's illegal. End of story.
Explain that one ::) Also, what has 'growing up' got to do with it?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
See 'solely'. If he had been called up for cavan, would he be now transferrign to Kildare?
If nobody owes any player a game at inter co level, then similarly no player owes anyone anything at inter co level. Its an amateur sport ffs.
[/b]
Taking that to it's logical conclusion, no rules should apply. And so a player can decide to switch allegiances during a competition; 'I was taken off today, feck them, I want to play with the winners in the next round'....
Grow up. He's illegal. End of story.
Explain that one ::) Also, what has 'growing up' got to do with it?
Simple.
There are clear rules about eligibility. You either are legal to play or not.
Growing up means to accept the rules you play under and not throw a hizzy it.
Any player who plays golf the day of an Ulster Championship game or comes into a dressing room and demands a few new young players get out of HIS place doesn't deserve to represent his county.
Too many of these prima donnas coming into the game with their fan clubs in tow.
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
See 'solely'. If he had been called up for cavan, would he be now transferrign to Kildare?
If nobody owes any player a game at inter co level, then similarly no player owes anyone anything at inter co level. Its an amateur sport ffs.
[/b]
Taking that to it's logical conclusion, no rules should apply. And so a player can decide to switch allegiances during a competition; 'I was taken off today, feck them, I want to play with the winners in the next round'....
Grow up. He's illegal. End of story.
Explain that one ::) Also, what has 'growing up' got to do with it?
Simple.
There are clear rules about eligibility. You either are legal to play or not.
Growing up means to accept the rules you play under and not throw a hizzy it.Any player who plays golf the day of an Ulster Championship game or comes into a dressing room and demands a few new young players get out of HIS place doesn't deserve to represent his county.
Too many of these prima donnas coming into the game with their fan clubs in tow.
What's the suspension for throwing a 'hizzy it?'
Quote from: everymanaman on February 02, 2012, 12:43:44 PM
What's the suspension for throwing a 'hizzy it?'
Apparently none. If you throw the toys out of the pram you just move on to a new club or County.
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Simple.
There are clear rules about eligibility. You either are legal to play or not.
Growing up means to accept the rules you play under and not throw a hizzy it.
Any player who plays golf the day of an Ulster Championship game or comes into a dressing room and demands a few new young players get out of HIS place doesn't deserve to represent his county.
Too many of these prima donnas coming into the game with their fan clubs in tow.
So, just to clarify, you'd be in favour of the rules been extended to ban players from playing golf on the morning of championship games, and telliing ones to move from their spot in the dressing room? Any others?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 03:17:59 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Simple.
There are clear rules about eligibility. You either are legal to play or not.
Growing up means to accept the rules you play under and not throw a hizzy it.
Any player who plays golf the day of an Ulster Championship game or comes into a dressing room and demands a few new young players get out of HIS place doesn't deserve to represent his county.
Too many of these prima donnas coming into the game with their fan clubs in tow.
So, just to clarify, you'd be in favour of the rules been extended to ban players from playing golf on the morning of championship games, and telliing ones to move from their spot in the dressing room? Any others?
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone.
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/goalkeeper-supple-opts-out-of-dublin-squad-3008851.html
Aye aye
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 03:25:50 PM
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Complete bollocks. Managers have tolerated, and will continue to tolerate, a lot more than someone playing golf on the morning of the championship. Just out of interest, what game is that alleged to have happened before (cue you trawling for Johnsons worst game in the last 3 years ;)? Jack O Connor lived in perpetual fear of Dara O Ses reaction to everything he did. The Gooch and Galvin dont lack self confidence or controversy, and I'm sure there'd be some stories about their behaviour at times, they've done aright. Mugsy McMenamin has certainly been colourful at times, hes still going strong, all of these under the highest regarded managers of their time. Just to point out too, McGourty would be there if he wanted, he was certainly never told he wouldnt be (I assume you're talking about Kevin). If you're talking about what managers will put up with, consider that CJ McGourty is there this year. Rory Gallagher is about 34, not sure he'd still have the legs. Still playing top level club football though, doing aright, and holds the record for scoring most in a championship match. If you mean they've failed because they havent won all-irelands, then is that you making an argumnet for transfers, given that it seems it was in all likelihood that this is becuase of where they were born rather than any reflection on their talent, gallagher may have transferred, but moving to cavan was never gonna give him a celtic cross.
This is all however, digressing. The point isnt that Johnson misbehaved in your view, or anyones view, so he should take his punishment of being dropped. The point is that players should be allowed to play. Whatever your personal opinion of Johnson, and how he carries himself, he is an excellent player, who has got to where he is through talent and hard work. If some manager chooses not to select him, then why should he not be allowed to ply his trade elsewhere? If Johnsons transfer doesnt go through, who wins, apart from bitter hoors who dont want to see him play anywhere else out of spite?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 03:25:50 PM
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Complete bollocks. Managers have tolerated, and will continue to tolerate, a lot more than someone playing golf on the morning of the championship. Just out of interest, what game is that alleged to have happened before (cue you trawling for Johnsons worst game in the last 3 years ;)? Jack O Connor lived in perpetual fear of Dara O Ses reaction to everything he did. The Gooch and Galvin dont lack self confidence or controversy, and I'm sure there'd be some stories about their behaviour at times, they've done aright. Mugsy McMenamin has certainly been colourful at times, hes still going strong, all of these under the highest regarded managers of their time. Just to point out too, McGourty would be there if he wanted, he was certainly never told he wouldnt be (I assume you're talking about Kevin). If you're talking about what managers will put up with, consider that CJ McGourty is there this year. Rory Gallagher is about 34, not sure he'd still have the legs. Still playing top level club football though, doing aright, and holds the record for scoring most in a championship match. If you mean they've failed because they havent won all-irelands, then is that you making an argumnet for transfers, given that it seems it was in all likelihood that this is becuase of where they were born rather than any reflection on their talent, gallagher may have transferred, but moving to cavan was never gonna give him a celtic cross.
This is all however, digressing. The point isnt that Johnson misbehaved in your view, or anyones view, so he should take his punishment of being dropped. The point is that players should be allowed to play. Whatever your personal opinion of Johnson, and how he carries himself, he is an excellent player, who has got to where he is through talent and hard work. If some manager chooses not to select him, then why should he not be allowed to ply his trade elsewhere? If Johnsons transfer doesnt go through, who wins, apart from bitter hoors who dont want to see him play anywhere else out of spite?
Thats a load of baloney!
A manager drops you and you want to play elsewhere, sure no team would last with that carry on. In effect then, only the first 15 matter; subs all want to play too so they should pack their bags and all move to Kildare!
Stop will ye...
You continue to miss the point, it must be deliberate, so theres little point in rising to it. I would point out however, that in the above scenario Kildare would have a panel of (32*10+15) roughly 335 people, which isnt allowed, so its fairly likely these subs would all keep moving until they were back where they started and no harm whatsoever would be done.
Quote from: heffo on February 02, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/goalkeeper-supple-opts-out-of-dublin-squad-3008851.html
Aye aye
Are you thinking he'd prefer the short grass?
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 02, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
http://www.herald.ie/sport/gaa/goalkeeper-supple-opts-out-of-dublin-squad-3008851.html
Aye aye
Are you thinking he'd prefer the short grass?
An aul rental agreement for an apt in Leixlip mightn't be the most unlikely thing he could sign this year.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 03:25:50 PM
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Complete bollocks. Managers have tolerated, and will continue to tolerate, a lot more than someone playing golf on the morning of the championship. Just out of interest, what game is that alleged to have happened before (cue you trawling for Johnsons worst game in the last 3 years ;)? Jack O Connor lived in perpetual fear of Dara O Ses reaction to everything he did. The Gooch and Galvin dont lack self confidence or controversy, and I'm sure there'd be some stories about their behaviour at times, they've done aright. Mugsy McMenamin has certainly been colourful at times, hes still going strong, all of these under the highest regarded managers of their time. Just to point out too, McGourty would be there if he wanted, he was certainly never told he wouldnt be (I assume you're talking about Kevin). If you're talking about what managers will put up with, consider that CJ McGourty is there this year. Rory Gallagher is about 34, not sure he'd still have the legs. Still playing top level club football though, doing aright, and holds the record for scoring most in a championship match. If you mean they've failed because they havent won all-irelands, then is that you making an argumnet for transfers, given that it seems it was in all likelihood that this is becuase of where they were born rather than any reflection on their talent, gallagher may have transferred, but moving to cavan was never gonna give him a celtic cross.
This is all however, digressing. The point isnt that Johnson misbehaved in your view, or anyones view, so he should take his punishment of being dropped. The point is that players should be allowed to play. Whatever your personal opinion of Johnson, and how he carries himself, he is an excellent player, who has got to where he is through talent and hard work. If some manager chooses not to select him, then why should he not be allowed to ply his trade elsewhere? If Johnsons transfer doesnt go through, who wins, apart from bitter hoors who dont want to see him play anywhere else out of spite?
An intresting Hybrid!
Mulligan has been shown the bench a few times (2005 up until the AIQF he wasn't in the picture) He knuckled down and fought his way back in. He didn't look for an apartment in Bundoran.
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 08:44:18 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 08:31:26 AM
Quote from: Sidney on February 01, 2012, 07:13:22 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 01, 2012, 04:36:31 PM
Whats that about johnsons move being solely about glory-hunting? I think the fact that he was told he wouldnt be playing for Cavan this year had a small part in it at least, do you not?
The last time I looked Seanie Johnston wasn't the manager of Cavan. If Val Andrews doesn't want to pick him, that's his decision. Nobody owes any player a game at inter-county level.
See 'solely'. If he had been called up for cavan, would he be now transferrign to Kildare?
If nobody owes any player a game at inter co level, then similarly no player owes anyone anything at inter co level. Its an amateur sport ffs.
[/b]
Taking that to it's logical conclusion, no rules should apply. And so a player can decide to switch allegiances during a competition; 'I was taken off today, feck them, I want to play with the winners in the next round'....
Grow up. He's illegal. End of story.
Explain that one ::) Also, what has 'growing up' got to do with it?
Simple.
There are clear rules about eligibility. You either are legal to play or not.
Growing up means to accept the rules you play under and not throw a hizzy it.
Any player who plays golf the day of an Ulster Championship game or comes into a dressing room and demands a few new young players get out of HIS place doesn't deserve to represent his county.
Too many of these prima donnas coming into the game with their fan clubs in tow.
It's a good thing there's no golf clubs in Straffan.
Quote from: LeoMc on February 02, 2012, 05:42:55 PM
An intresting Hybrid!
Mulligan has been shown the bench a few times (2005 up until the AIQF he wasn't in the picture) He knuckled down and fought his way back in. He didn't look for an apartment in Bundoran.
My bad! :D Christ, can you imagine that hoor on a night out!!!
Anyway, aye, he was shown the bench for bad form (and his all star that year was a joke). Last year he was very bad any time I saw him, was good to see him playing well in mck cup. THeres a massive difference however to being given the bench or roaded for bad form, and being told he wasnt going to play for Tyrone this year despite being in good form, and an automatic choice otherwise. This isnt an issue about seanie not wanting to knuckle down and get back on the panel -
that was an option not open to him
Nonsense.
He'd be in there if he had something to offer.
Talent on its own is never enough.
Obviously a bad apple in the barrell and maybe Val didnt want to contaminate the rest of them.
Don't see any outcry from the panel...
Quote from: LeoMc on February 02, 2012, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 03:25:50 PM
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Complete bollocks. Managers have tolerated, and will continue to tolerate, a lot more than someone playing golf on the morning of the championship. Just out of interest, what game is that alleged to have happened before (cue you trawling for Johnsons worst game in the last 3 years ;)? Jack O Connor lived in perpetual fear of Dara O Ses reaction to everything he did. The Gooch and Galvin dont lack self confidence or controversy, and I'm sure there'd be some stories about their behaviour at times, they've done aright. Mugsy McMenamin has certainly been colourful at times, hes still going strong, all of these under the highest regarded managers of their time. Just to point out too, McGourty would be there if he wanted, he was certainly never told he wouldnt be (I assume you're talking about Kevin). If you're talking about what managers will put up with, consider that CJ McGourty is there this year. Rory Gallagher is about 34, not sure he'd still have the legs. Still playing top level club football though, doing aright, and holds the record for scoring most in a championship match. If you mean they've failed because they havent won all-irelands, then is that you making an argumnet for transfers, given that it seems it was in all likelihood that this is becuase of where they were born rather than any reflection on their talent, gallagher may have transferred, but moving to cavan was never gonna give him a celtic cross.
This is all however, digressing. The point isnt that Johnson misbehaved in your view, or anyones view, so he should take his punishment of being dropped. The point is that players should be allowed to play. Whatever your personal opinion of Johnson, and how he carries himself, he is an excellent player, who has got to where he is through talent and hard work. If some manager chooses not to select him, then why should he not be allowed to ply his trade elsewhere? If Johnsons transfer doesnt go through, who wins, apart from bitter hoors who dont want to see him play anywhere else out of spite?
An intresting Hybrid!
Mulligan has been shown the bench a few times (2005 up until the AIQF he wasn't in the picture) He knuckled down and fought his way back in. He didn't look for an apartment in Bundoran.
That's because he doesn't like playing in the full back line.
Now Belmullet on the other hand..........
Quote from: Jinxy on February 02, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
It's a good thing there's no golf clubs in Straffan.
And we have the first suggestion for the 2012 GaaBoard Golf Classic.
I wonder will Seanie come again?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 03:25:50 PM
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Complete bollocks. Managers have tolerated, and will continue to tolerate, a lot more than someone playing golf on the morning of the championship. Just out of interest, what game is that alleged to have happened before (cue you trawling for Johnsons worst game in the last 3 years ;)? Jack O Connor lived in perpetual fear of Dara O Ses reaction to everything he did. The Gooch and Galvin dont lack self confidence or controversy, and I'm sure there'd be some stories about their behaviour at times, they've done aright. Mugsy McMenamin has certainly been colourful at times, hes still going strong, all of these under the highest regarded managers of their time. Just to point out too, McGourty would be there if he wanted, he was certainly never told he wouldnt be (I assume you're talking about Kevin). If you're talking about what managers will put up with, consider that CJ McGourty is there this year. Rory Gallagher is about 34, not sure he'd still have the legs. Still playing top level club football though, doing aright, and holds the record for scoring most in a championship match. If you mean they've failed because they havent won all-irelands, then is that you making an argumnet for transfers, given that it seems it was in all likelihood that this is becuase of where they were born rather than any reflection on their talent, gallagher may have transferred, but moving to cavan was never gonna give him a celtic cross.
This is all however, digressing. The point isnt that Johnson misbehaved in your view, or anyones view, so he should take his punishment of being dropped. The point is that players should be allowed to play. Whatever your personal opinion of Johnson, and how he carries himself, he is an excellent player, who has got to where he is through talent and hard work. If some manager chooses not to select him, then why should he not be allowed to ply his trade elsewhere? If Johnsons transfer doesnt go through, who wins, apart from bitter hoors who dont want to see him play anywhere else out of spite?
A few questions on the above post:
- How do you know he works hard? Undoubtedly he has talent but whether he works hard or not I don't know.
- Was the door completely closed on him for the whole season? If not then he could have worked hard to get back.
If a player isn't getting on and just moves it's a dangerous precedent to set. We're no playing soccer her and that is one of the great things about our game. Who we play for is part of our identity. What part of this guy's identity stems from Kildare?
(On the playing golf who really knows if it's true or not. Some rumours in internet land get listened to as gospel when they're far from true so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.)
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 02, 2012, 04:56:47 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on February 02, 2012, 03:25:50 PM
You're haranging me now.....
Lets clarify something for you apologists making a case for what Clive Woodward called a 'sapper'.
No manager worth his salt in the inter county game would tolerate that behaviour from pannelists, and I'm fairly sure players would have signed up to an agreed code of conduct.
He's another failed intercounty player who thought he was better than he was, that he was something special.
There's a handful of them out there and guess what? None of them play for the top teams. They wouldn't tolerate them.
Remember Mark Vaughan? Gone.
Colm Parkinson? Gone
Gourty, Gallagher.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Complete bollocks. Managers have tolerated, and will continue to tolerate, a lot more than someone playing golf on the morning of the championship. Just out of interest, what game is that alleged to have happened before (cue you trawling for Johnsons worst game in the last 3 years ;)? Jack O Connor lived in perpetual fear of Dara O Ses reaction to everything he did. The Gooch and Galvin dont lack self confidence or controversy, and I'm sure there'd be some stories about their behaviour at times, they've done aright. Mugsy McMenamin has certainly been colourful at times, hes still going strong, all of these under the highest regarded managers of their time. Just to point out too, McGourty would be there if he wanted, he was certainly never told he wouldnt be (I assume you're talking about Kevin). If you're talking about what managers will put up with, consider that CJ McGourty is there this year. Rory Gallagher is about 34, not sure he'd still have the legs. Still playing top level club football though, doing aright, and holds the record for scoring most in a championship match. If you mean they've failed because they havent won all-irelands, then is that you making an argumnet for transfers, given that it seems it was in all likelihood that this is becuase of where they were born rather than any reflection on their talent, gallagher may have transferred, but moving to cavan was never gonna give him a celtic cross.
This is all however, digressing. The point isnt that Johnson misbehaved in your view, or anyones view, so he should take his punishment of being dropped. The point is that players should be allowed to play. Whatever your personal opinion of Johnson, and how he carries himself, he is an excellent player, who has got to where he is through talent and hard work. If some manager chooses not to select him, then why should he not be allowed to ply his trade elsewhere? If Johnsons transfer doesnt go through, who wins, apart from bitter hoors who dont want to see him play anywhere else out of spite?
A few questions on the above post:
- How do you know he works hard? Undoubtedly he has talent but whether he works hard or not I don't know.
- Was the door completely closed on him for the whole season? If not then he could have worked hard to get back.
If a player isn't getting on and just moves it's a dangerous precedent to set. We're no playing soccer her and that is one of the great things about our game. Who we play for is part of our identity. What part of this guy's identity stems from Kildare?
(On the playing golf who really knows if it's true or not. Some rumours in internet land get listened to as gospel when they're far from true so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.)
Did Johnston work hard? - Not from what I've heard and from what I've seen on the pitch, if the ball coming in isn't perfect he prefers bitch and moan at his own players rather than fight harder for it.
Was the door completely closed? - It is becoming clear that it wasn't and that he was not told he wouldn't play with Cavan this year. It is he who has pretty much made sure he won't play for Cavan again this year or any year.
Johnston has no links to Kildare. However, he has links to McGeeney! This could have been in the making long before any call was made. I remember reading last year a pretty pathetic interview he gave, bemoaning how hard it was for him to watch his friends playing in Croke Park week in and week out while he wasn't. Seanie likes giving interviews to the media and feeling sorry for himself.
Also, with regards to the "10 second" phone call. Andrews had called some other players before Johnston to tell them they would not be in the panel. He asked one of these players for Johnstons number as he didn't have it (it has been said Johnston changed his number and didn't pass it to Andrews but I don't know if that is true or not). Before he got to call Johnston, this lad had him contacted to tell him the craic. Finally, the call lasted "10 seconds" because
Johnston hung up on Andrews.
Finally, how are the players taking it, have a look at this brief interview with James Reilly -
http://hoganstand.com/cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=161287
quote "I'm back at full tilt now and training is going fierce well at the moment. Val is an easy going sort of man, a bit like myself, he's been around the block and he knows what's what"
I have yet to hear a current player come out and declare things are bad without Johnston. I have yet to hear any of the other players dropped come out in the media whinging or trying to transfer clubs.
As for the fans, have a look at the poll results here
http://hoganstand.com/cavan/PollForm.aspx
Andrews is not being blamed by the vast majority, while the vast majority believe Johnston should not be transferring.
In any case, this is it for me on this issue. A team of Cavan men take the field on Sunday in the toughest start possible in Div 3. I wish them the best of luck. All true Cavan fans just want a team on the field that will give everything they have got for our proud GAA county. Once they do that the supporters will come back and we will start becoming a force again in time.
I'm not sure at all about both sides of this debate but I do know one thing - to use a hoganstand poll as a basis of understand an entire county's mindset is not credible
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 04, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
I'm not sure at all about both sides of this debate but I do know one thing - to use a hoganstand poll as a basis of understand an entire county's mindset is not credible
I don't have the means to get red sea to do a poll so Hoganstand will have to do.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 04, 2012, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 04, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
I'm not sure at all about both sides of this debate but I do know one thing - to use a hoganstand poll as a basis of understand an entire county's mindset is not credible
I don't have the means to get red sea to do a poll so Hoganstand will have to go.
Very reasonable comment there Duffleking, Myles is more than happy to slate the posters and administrators on HS when it suits him. By the way Myles, as the one poster I've ever seen actually get gate publicly from the Mods on Hoganstand (quite an achievement) did that exclude you from voting on polls on that site?
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the mods on HoganStand.
Not sure what their policy is but plenty of harmless posts of mine never saw the light of day over there for one reason or the other.
It makes you wonder when you see some of the ridiculous posts they actually do let through.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 04, 2012, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 04, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
I'm not sure at all about both sides of this debate but I do know one thing - to use a hoganstand poll as a basis of understand an entire county's mindset is not credible
I don't have the means to get red sea to do a poll so Hoganstand will have to go.
We'd save a fortune if we used them for every referendum.
We'd save even more if we used Hoganstand.
Quote from: anglocelt39 on February 04, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 04, 2012, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on February 04, 2012, 10:45:46 AM
I'm not sure at all about both sides of this debate but I do know one thing - to use a hoganstand poll as a basis of understand an entire county's mindset is not credible
I don't have the means to get red sea to do a poll so Hoganstand will have to go.
Very reasonable comment there Duffleking, Myles is more than happy to slate the posters and administrators on HS when it suits him. By the way Myles, as the one poster I've ever seen actually get gate publicly from the Mods on Hoganstand (quite an achievement) did that exclude you from voting on polls on that site?
It's got to the stage that I don't know the purpose of your pointless ramblings. Maybe you feel foolish that my pointing out Johnstons questionable attitude in the past is now proven correct and your ill-informed defence of him shown for bluster. You've admitted as much over on the Cavan thread. As for my "getting the gate" from Hoganstand, that's more bullshit. In my last post there I told the mod he was working to an agenda and said I'd no longer be posting. Unless, of course you are a mod over there and know better - I was never informed of being banned. Speaking of mods, did mods on this board not recently intervene with you and richie over on the Cavan thread? Something about Hoganstand again? The mods comment is still there but alas yours deleted. Maybe you could remind me on the jist of it. I voted "certainly not" on the Hoganstand poll this morning when I copied the link, as did the majority of voters.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
A few questions on the above post:
- How do you know he works hard? Undoubtedly he has talent but whether he works hard or not I don't know.
- Was the door completely closed on him for the whole season? If not then he could have worked hard to get back.
If a player isn't getting on and just moves it's a dangerous precedent to set. We're no playing soccer her and that is one of the great things about our game. Who we play for is part of our identity. What part of this guy's identity stems from Kildare?
No-one gets to the top of their sport without working hard these days, it may all be relative, but just to take a base example, Seanie has trained with cavan for the last number of years. Are you suggesting their training may not be hard, or that he was excused from the tough off season slog? He has undoubtedly worked hard, as has every other inter co footballer, including those who may seem not to be owing to their girth or whatever.
Again, as I've stated on the thread many times, there are some issues getting confused. Johnson wasnt left off the panel becuase of a lack of hard work, or not showing well in games, or anything else. Even Myles (used as the most vehement detractor) I think would have to agree that its a personal issue between himself and andrews, and andrews decision to drop him was made based on these issues. If Andrews thinks his decision was for the good of cavan football, then hes perfectly entitiled to make those calls - I have no real interest in whether he was right or wrong. Having made that call, it would appear reasonable for johnson to assume, even without being explicitly told, that he wasnt going to play for cavan this year, unless perhaps he gets a personality transplant. So, his choice is to waste the best years of his footballing life, or seek to play at the top level in any way he can. He chose the latter, and I think hes perfectly entitled to do so.
I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson, but let them play if they want to play. I'd just like to point out too that its a pretty damning indictment of our sport if as you say, one of the great things about it, is that its not another sport :-\
Quote from: haranguerer on February 05, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 04, 2012, 08:43:04 AM
A few questions on the above post:
- How do you know he works hard? Undoubtedly he has talent but whether he works hard or not I don't know.
- Was the door completely closed on him for the whole season? If not then he could have worked hard to get back.
If a player isn't getting on and just moves it's a dangerous precedent to set. We're no playing soccer her and that is one of the great things about our game. Who we play for is part of our identity. What part of this guy's identity stems from Kildare?
No-one gets to the top of their sport without working hard these days, it may all be relative, but just to take a base example, Seanie has trained with cavan for the last number of years. Are you suggesting their training may not be hard, or that he was excused from the tough off season slog? He has undoubtedly worked hard, as has every other inter co footballer, including those who may seem not to be owing to their girth or whatever.
Again, as I've stated on the thread many times, there are some issues getting confused. Johnson wasnt left off the panel becuase of a lack of hard work, or not showing well in games, or anything else. Even Myles (used as the most vehement detractor) I think would have to agree that its a personal issue between himself and andrews, and andrews decision to drop him was made based on these issues. If Andrews thinks his decision was for the good of cavan football, then hes perfectly entitiled to make those calls - I have no real interest in whether he was right or wrong. Having made that call, it would appear reasonable for johnson to assume, even without being explicitly told, that he wasnt going to play for cavan this year, unless perhaps he gets a personality transplant. So, his choice is to waste the best years of his footballing life, or seek to play at the top level in any way he can. He chose the latter, and I think hes perfectly entitled to do so.
I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson, but let them play if they want to play. I'd just like to point out too that its a pretty damning indictment of our sport if as you say, one of the great things about it, is that its not another sport :-\
No, I actually don't agree. He was dropped as he was a bad influence in the dressing room. There were also issues with his work ethic, anyone who watches him play would see that too. Whether it snowballed into a personal thing I don't know. However, its quiet clear Johnston is bending the truth to suit another agenda - ie to play for a team he thinks he can win an AI with - by talking about 10s phone calls and being removed of the cavan team for the whole season. Neither true as I outlined earlier.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 05, 2012, 02:39:00 PM
No, I actually don't agree. He was dropped as he was a bad influence in the dressing room.
Sounds a lot like a personal issue to me.
In terms of not been off it for the year (at least), I dont see how putting the head down and playing great stuff for cavan gaels was going to allow him not to be deemed a potential bad influence in the future so that he could be called back up
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Seanie Johnston has told Cavan officials to call up to his home in Straffan for tea!
The exiled Cavan footballer is currently trying to seal his inter county transfer to Kildare, but despite his club Cavan Gaels signing his transfer request, the Cavan County Board will not as they believe that he is still living in the Ulster county.
This is an allegation that Johnston strenuously denies and he has even begun training with his new club St Kevin's in Staplestown, but is unable to link up with the Kildare squad until his inter-county transfer is sorted.
Johnston was now attending a hearing at Croke Park to discuss the matter and he feels that he has no question to answer at this stage.
"I don't think there should be any problem, the fact I'm living down here and moved clubs," Johnston told the Anglo-Celt. "I was told that I had to move clubs, I've done that, so there should be no issue.
"I've said all along, all I want to do is play at club and county level. Hopefully, over the next few weeks I'll be able to do that. I wanted to be with Cavan but unfortunately I don't have that choice anymore. All I want to do is play.
"If I'm playing with Kildare and training six days a week, it's impossible to be living in Cavan. I'm living in Straffan. If anyone wants to come down for tea they're more than welcome."
He better have the custard creams ready!!!!
Quote from: haranguerer on February 05, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson,
You think what happens to Seanie Johnston is more important than the rules of the GAA.
Eh...whatever.
(http://www.leinsterleader.ie/webimage/1.3494971.1328614114!image/2344552581.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_595/2344552581.jpg)
05-02-2012 Former Cavan footballer Seanie Johnston (wearing hat) training Sunday morning with Kildare club St Kevins while he awaits approval of an intercounty move to Kildare.
Quote from: Ewan MacKenna blog: Kildare have gone too far
At the time it went largely unnoticed, if only because it was largely irrelevant. It was well over a decade ago when the footballers of Kilkenny placed a small advertisement that was buried deep within the Kildare Nationalist newspaper, offering club players the chance to call themselves intercounty. It was a plea from a side that didn't have the support of their own but drew little reaction from the few in the target market that noticed it. But who would have guessed all these years later that a county with such a rich footballing history as well as an impressive current-day panel would go to similar lengths to strengthen their own squad? However, if Kilkenny's ploy drew a blank face, and even a smile, Kildare's should draw concern and even ire.
We'll never know how much truth was behind the off-season rumours that hinted at Niall McNamee and Brendan Murphy leaving Offaly and Carlow respectively for their nearest of neighbours. But if that was mere smoke, since then there has been plenty fire. Most of the talk has been about Seánie Johnston but more troubling in recent days were the words of Shane Supple, the former third-choice Dublin goalkeeper. Speaking to John Fogarty in the Irish Examiner he said it was a year ago when he got a phone call and a question from Kildare manager Kieran McGeeney.
"No was the short answer," recalled Supple. "The call was about playing for them but there's only one county I'd be playing for. I shot it down quick enough."
Of all the people in the Gaelic games world, there is no reason to doubt Supple's words. He showed an honesty rarely seen in sport when leaving Ipswich Town to pursue a much less lucrative career back home and to hear of the Kildare manager's contact is at the very least disturbing on various levels. McGeeney may have been one of the most dedicated to ever play Gaelic football and is proving himself as a seriously talented manager, but none of that puts him above the moral codes which govern the sport. Legally, he and Kildare may not have broken any rules, but he's won neither himself nor his adopted county any friends, sympathy or good will with his actions. Indeed, the current management team may well be damaging the reputation of Kildare to such an extent that it will still be bruised and the county will still be open to ridicule long after those in charge have moved on.
Supple said no, but it seems that Kildare will at least have one import this season. Johnston has trained with the St Kevin's club in Staplestown and it seems likely he'll be lining out for the county side before long. But when it comes to this saga, too much talk has been about how his attitude and attributes will fit in with the team. That James Kavanagh and Alan Smith have regressed over the past two seasons and Kildare now need a skilful willow-the-wisp style player to do damage and profit off the brute strength and excellent hands of Tomás O'Connor is completely missing the issue. Right now Kildare just don't have that player, and just like everyone else, they should suck it up.
Of course, there is still a certain bitterness in Kildare going back a generation. Had Shay Fahy and Larry Tompkins not transferred to Cork it's likely they would have won an All Ireland. But leaving aside who was to blame back in the 1980s, Kildare people should therefore know better and know exactly what it's like to lose talent a county has harvested to a stronger side with far greater resources. They should know the bitterness it causes and they should know that in this case, they should not do unto others what was once done unto them.
The counterargument in all this is that a player of Johnston's quality is entitled to play football at the highest level and if his own county don't want him, he is well within his rights to look elsewhere. But given Supple's comments, it appears that is not what happened here. If McGeeney called Supple, it's not impossible to imagine that he was proactive in recruiting Johnston too. In fact the player here is too easy a target for criticism. But if, as it seems, players are being tapped up, where does all of this end?
Lots of good players fail to make their county teams and more are dropped off panels throughout the year. On top of that there's not a county in the country right now that doesn't need a quality player in at least two positions. But just as Kerry will have to get on without a full-back to release Marc Ó Sé, just as Cork could do with another forward to cover for injury, just as Dublin could do with a centre-back, and just as Down could do with Marty Clarke back, Kildare could do with a quality forward amongst others. But while the rest of those counties make the most of what is at their disposal, what Kildare are sadly doing is eroding the very foundations the intercounty game is built on. And if Kildare are allowed to set a precedent - that not only impedes on the development of other counties, but also impedes on the development, attitude and belief of their own players - then the championship we love will be no more.
Back in the mid-1990s when Kilkenny were looking for players, they didn't have a chance of winning and didn't have even the hope of a victory to taint. That's not the case with Kildare, who need to realise sometimes it's better to fall short than win at all costs.
Ewan MacKenna was a sports writer for the defunct Sunday Tribune and now contributes to the Irish Examiner. A former sports journalist of the year runner-up, he was ghost writer of 'The Gambler: Oisín McConville's Story,' 'Darragh: My Story' and has recently launched 'Kenny Egan: My Story'.
If you have any opinions, feel free to contact Ewan at Twitter.com/EwanMacKenna or ewanmackenna@hotmail.com
http://eircomsports.eircom.net/News/Ewan-MacKenna-blog-Kildare-have-gone-too-far.aspx (http://eircomsports.eircom.net/News/Ewan-MacKenna-blog-Kildare-have-gone-too-far.aspx)
Sums up the prevailing opinion of a lot of Kildare folk fairly well.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 02:38:01 PM
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05-02-2012 Former Cavan footballer Seanie Johnston (wearing hat) training Sunday morning with Kildare club St Kevins while he awaits approval of an intercounty move to Kildare.
Quote from: Ewan MacKenna blog: Kildare have gone too far
At the time it went largely unnoticed, if only because it was largely irrelevant. It was well over a decade ago when the footballers of Kilkenny placed a small advertisement that was buried deep within the Kildare Nationalist newspaper, offering club players the chance to call themselves intercounty. It was a plea from a side that didn't have the support of their own but drew little reaction from the few in the target market that noticed it. But who would have guessed all these years later that a county with such a rich footballing history as well as an impressive current-day panel would go to similar lengths to strengthen their own squad? However, if Kilkenny's ploy drew a blank face, and even a smile, Kildare's should draw concern and even ire.
We'll never know how much truth was behind the off-season rumours that hinted at Niall McNamee and Brendan Murphy leaving Offaly and Carlow respectively for their nearest of neighbours. But if that was mere smoke, since then there has been plenty fire. Most of the talk has been about Seánie Johnston but more troubling in recent days were the words of Shane Supple, the former third-choice Dublin goalkeeper. Speaking to John Fogarty in the Irish Examiner he said it was a year ago when he got a phone call and a question from Kildare manager Kieran McGeeney.
"No was the short answer," recalled Supple. "The call was about playing for them but there's only one county I'd be playing for. I shot it down quick enough."
Of all the people in the Gaelic games world, there is no reason to doubt Supple's words. He showed an honesty rarely seen in sport when leaving Ipswich Town to pursue a much less lucrative career back home and to hear of the Kildare manager's contact is at the very least disturbing on various levels. McGeeney may have been one of the most dedicated to ever play Gaelic football and is proving himself as a seriously talented manager, but none of that puts him above the moral codes which govern the sport. Legally, he and Kildare may not have broken any rules, but he's won neither himself nor his adopted county any friends, sympathy or good will with his actions. Indeed, the current management team may well be damaging the reputation of Kildare to such an extent that it will still be bruised and the county will still be open to ridicule long after those in charge have moved on.
Supple said no, but it seems that Kildare will at least have one import this season. Johnston has trained with the St Kevin's club in Staplestown and it seems likely he'll be lining out for the county side before long. But when it comes to this saga, too much talk has been about how his attitude and attributes will fit in with the team. That James Kavanagh and Alan Smith have regressed over the past two seasons and Kildare now need a skilful willow-the-wisp style player to do damage and profit off the brute strength and excellent hands of Tomás O'Connor is completely missing the issue. Right now Kildare just don't have that player, and just like everyone else, they should suck it up.
Of course, there is still a certain bitterness in Kildare going back a generation. Had Shay Fahy and Larry Tompkins not transferred to Cork it's likely they would have won an All Ireland. But leaving aside who was to blame back in the 1980s, Kildare people should therefore know better and know exactly what it's like to lose talent a county has harvested to a stronger side with far greater resources. They should know the bitterness it causes and they should know that in this case, they should not do unto others what was once done unto them.
The counterargument in all this is that a player of Johnston's quality is entitled to play football at the highest level and if his own county don't want him, he is well within his rights to look elsewhere. But given Supple's comments, it appears that is not what happened here. If McGeeney called Supple, it's not impossible to imagine that he was proactive in recruiting Johnston too. In fact the player here is too easy a target for criticism. But if, as it seems, players are being tapped up, where does all of this end?
Lots of good players fail to make their county teams and more are dropped off panels throughout the year. On top of that there's not a county in the country right now that doesn't need a quality player in at least two positions. But just as Kerry will have to get on without a full-back to release Marc Ó Sé, just as Cork could do with another forward to cover for injury, just as Dublin could do with a centre-back, and just as Down could do with Marty Clarke back, Kildare could do with a quality forward amongst others. But while the rest of those counties make the most of what is at their disposal, what Kildare are sadly doing is eroding the very foundations the intercounty game is built on. And if Kildare are allowed to set a precedent - that not only impedes on the development of other counties, but also impedes on the development, attitude and belief of their own players - then the championship we love will be no more.
Back in the mid-1990s when Kilkenny were looking for players, they didn't have a chance of winning and didn't have even the hope of a victory to taint. That's not the case with Kildare, who need to realise sometimes it's better to fall short than win at all costs.
Ewan MacKenna was a sports writer for the defunct Sunday Tribune and now contributes to the Irish Examiner. A former sports journalist of the year runner-up, he was ghost writer of 'The Gambler: Oisín McConville's Story,' 'Darragh: My Story' and has recently launched 'Kenny Egan: My Story'.
If you have any opinions, feel free to contact Ewan at Twitter.com/EwanMacKenna or ewanmackenna@hotmail.com
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Sums up the prevailing opinion of a lot of Kildare folk fairly well.
"Kildare people should therefore know better and know exactly what it's like to lose talent a county has harvested to a stronger side with far greater resources."
That's not strictly true, Cavan have already dumped Johnston so he isn't being "harvested". Also whilst that article is strongly critical of the Kildare management (who have been relatively successful) no-one seems to be decrying the Cavan management who have had little success but yet are fit to deem a widely recognised talent to the scrapheap. If Johnston wasn't an exile from the Cavan squad this wouldn't be an issue.
Quote from: Sidney on February 08, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 05, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson,
You think what happens to Seanie Johnston is more important than the rules of the GAA.
Eh...whatever.
:D What are you, a ten year old girl??!
For one thing, those rules dont matter a fcuk to the GAA and anyone on here when it matters, see the post re Kilkenny advertising for footballers, or consider the hurling lads actually encouraged to play for weaker counties.
For another, yes, I do think its important the GAA look after their players when considering the rules. Not much of an organisation if no-one takes part in its games.
Lastly, what rule is he currently breaking? ??? He invited you for tea, didnt he??
Quote from: haranguerer on February 08, 2012, 02:53:22 PM
Quote from: Sidney on February 08, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 05, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
I too would love to see everyone represent the place they're from, but its an amateur sport, and I think its more important that we dont cast aside players like johnson,
You think what happens to Seanie Johnston is more important than the rules of the GAA.
Eh...whatever.
:D What are you, a ten year old girl??!
For one thing, those rules dont matter a fcuk to the GAA and anyone on here when it matters, see the post re Kilkenny advertising for footballers, or consider the hurling lads actually encouraged to play for weaker counties.
For another, yes, I do think its important the GAA look after their players when considering the rules. Not much of an organisation if no-one takes part in its games.
Lastly, what rule is he currently breaking? ??? He invited you for tea, didnt he??
There seems to only be one ten year old girl on this thread and judging by your arguments it isn't too hard to guess who it is.
You've still never answered them...
Now he's providing tea. Not only is he trying to steal a Kildare player's place, but also wee Daniel's gig.
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
Quote from: Orchardman on February 08, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
We weren't that far off the Dublin team that played in three AIFs in the early to mid nineties with a very young team. Still don't know how we didn't hold out in '94 after Ken Doyle kicked us ahead in injury time only for Charlie Redmond to go up and get an equiliser from O'Leary's kickout. Tompkins and Fahy would have provided that bit of experience to compliment the likes of Ryan, Lynch, Rainbow and Buckley who were still very green at the time.
Had there been a backdoor back then I'm sure Kildare would have been making at least the 1/4 finals on a regular basis. I would say that the team in Dwyer's first spell in charge was at least the equal, if not slightly superior, to the team now under McGeeney - and that's without the two "Corkonians". We'll never know whether they would have landed an All-Ireland but I'm sure they would have won at least one Leinster in the early nineties.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on February 08, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
We weren't that far off the Dublin team that played in three AIFs in the early to mid nineties with a very young team. Still don't know how we didn't hold out in '94 after Ken Doyle kicked us ahead in injury time only for Charlie Redmond to go up and get an equiliser from O'Leary's kickout. Tompkins and Fahy would have provided that bit of experience to compliment the likes of Ryan, Lynch, Rainbow and Buckley who were still very green at the time.
Had there been a backdoor back then I'm sure Kildare would have been making at least the 1/4 finals on a regular basis. I would say that the team in Dwyer's first spell in charge was at least the equal, if not slightly superior, to the team now under McGeeney - and that's without the two "Corkonians". We'll never know whether they would have landed an All-Ireland but I'm sure they would have won at least one Leinster in the early nineties.
If there'd been a backdoor?
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on February 08, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
We weren't that far off the Dublin team that played in three AIFs in the early to mid nineties with a very young team. Still don't know how we didn't hold out in '94 after Ken Doyle kicked us ahead in injury time only for Charlie Redmond to go up and get an equiliser from O'Leary's kickout. Tompkins and Fahy would have provided that bit of experience to compliment the likes of Ryan, Lynch, Rainbow and Buckley who were still very green at the time.
Had there been a backdoor back then I'm sure Kildare would have been making at least the 1/4 finals on a regular basis. I would say that the team in Dwyer's first spell in charge was at least the equal, if not slightly superior, to the team now under McGeeney - and that's without the two "Corkonians". We'll never know whether they would have landed an All-Ireland but I'm sure they would have won at least one Leinster in the early nineties.
If there'd been a backdoor?
If Tompkins and Fahy had been available. Costliest flight home from America ever...
If you're working in Cavan five days a week it's impossible to be living in Kildare, Seanie.
Quote from: Seanie Johnston on February 08, 2012, 01:55:44 PM
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"If I'm playing with Kildare and training six days a week, it's impossible to be living in Cavan. I'm living in Straffan. If anyone wants to come down for tea they're more than welcome."
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 09, 2012, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 09, 2012, 12:28:06 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on February 08, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
We weren't that far off the Dublin team that played in three AIFs in the early to mid nineties with a very young team. Still don't know how we didn't hold out in '94 after Ken Doyle kicked us ahead in injury time only for Charlie Redmond to go up and get an equiliser from O'Leary's kickout. Tompkins and Fahy would have provided that bit of experience to compliment the likes of Ryan, Lynch, Rainbow and Buckley who were still very green at the time.
Had there been a backdoor back then I'm sure Kildare would have been making at least the 1/4 finals on a regular basis. I would say that the team in Dwyer's first spell in charge was at least the equal, if not slightly superior, to the team now under McGeeney - and that's without the two "Corkonians". We'll never know whether they would have landed an All-Ireland but I'm sure they would have won at least one Leinster in the early nineties.
If there'd been a backdoor?
If Tompkins and Fahy had been available. Costliest flight home from America ever...
i get what you mean, without the back door in those days a lot of good teams didn't progress due to meeting top teams in their province, though i'd imagine that if there was one in those days it easily would have been dominated by derry, down, donegal, dublin, meath and cork
Quote from: Plain of the Herbs on February 09, 2012, 08:01:02 PM
If you're working in Cavan five days a week it's impossible to be living in Kildare, Seanie.
Quote from: Seanie Johnston on February 08, 2012, 01:55:44 PM
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"If I'm playing with Kildare and training six days a week, it's impossible to be living in Cavan. I'm living in Straffan. If anyone wants to come down for tea they're more than welcome."
yea, what a clown he is, had to laugh at that one, living in kildare and working in cavan and trying to make it sound normal. granted there are the nice teaching holidays, but still...
It'd want to be a quick cup of tea.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on February 08, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
We weren't that far off the Dublin team that played in three AIFs in the early to mid nineties with a very young team. Still don't know how we didn't hold out in '94 after Ken Doyle kicked us ahead in injury time
Was that definitely Doyle? Thought it was Graham Dunne but I'm probably just remembering that Dunne scored four points from play that day but was never heard of again really after that.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on February 10, 2012, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 08, 2012, 11:38:12 PM
Quote from: Orchardman on February 08, 2012, 11:18:01 PM
was that not a bit far fetched to say kildare would have won an all ireland had larry tompkins and fahy stayed put instead of going to cork? how does he come to that conclusion, kildare wern't even winning leinsters or knocking on the door
We weren't that far off the Dublin team that played in three AIFs in the early to mid nineties with a very young team. Still don't know how we didn't hold out in '94 after Ken Doyle kicked us ahead in injury time
Was that definitely Doyle? Thought it was Graham Dunne but I'm probably just remembering that Dunne scored four points from play that day but was never heard of again really after that.
Dunne fisted a point to put us level and Ken kicked us ahead in the next attack IIRC. Ken had come on in the first half for Johnny McDonald when we were six points up or so. I don't think Dublin scored a point that day until something like the twenty-fifth minute. I think Charlie ended up with eight or nine of their total.
I'm tempted to drive over to Straffan for a look see.
I'd say the traffic is off the charts over there with all the Seanie watchers cruising around.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 03:46:33 PM
I'm tempted to drive over to Straffan for a look see.
I'd say the traffic is off the charts over there with all the Seanie watchers cruising around.
Good crew forming alright
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It seems Michael lyng (cavan gaels) and Dermot shierdan (mullahoran) , two of the 6 left of the panel along with johnston, are back with the county team. Were there not life time bans on these players too? I think its becoming very clear what sort of bucko Johnston is. He wasn't told he wouldn't play for Cavan this yr at all. He wanted away to play with a better team and that's where all this came from - nowhere else.
I doubt the majority of GAA people ever thought it was otherwise Myles.
Seanie wanted out and I've no doubt he made sure himself that he got out.
From talking to my own Cavan contacts there's not a lot of love for Seanie and there's not many that would be too pushed about having him back.
I wonder will Val Andrews give his version of events at some stage.
I doubt Andrews will give his side. Rightly or wrongly he is the manager. He doesn't have to tell anyone why he picks the panel he picks. He will be judged by the co board and the clubs on whether enough progress is being made at the end of the season. I'm not from Cavan town but I know any of my mates at home aren't impressed with him at all. He could have been one of Cavans greats but instead he'll be remembered as a glory hunting traitor. A sad legacy to leave behind.
From the current issue of Phoenix Magazine
QuoteSeanie Johnston Transfer Saga – By The Numbers
• 100 – Pages of guff written so far
• 4 million – People who can't believe the amount of coverage
• 20 – Championship games played by Johnston without scoring a goal
• 100,000 – Lilywhite fans sure he is new messiah
• 1 – Campaigns left before Kieran McGeeney calls it a day
• £93,100 – Harry Redknapp's cut if 'transfer'goes through
And . . .
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SEANIE JOHNSTON UPDATE
Meanwhile, Kildare football boss Kieran McGeeney says Seanie Johnston is the type of player who would fit perfectly into his team. The Cavan forward has never scored a championship goal and 'Geezer' feels that might suit the Lilywhites.
According to the manager, "Sure one more lad who couldn't hit a bull's arse with a shovel won't di us any harm.
"The beauty is that there will be no jealousy if he comes into the squad. The players are used to that kind of sharp-shooting. To be honest with you, the groundsman hasn't put up the nets for a while now, says it's a 'waste of his time'. I know how he feels."
Myles u seem to have a lot of information, d lads are back are they? It wud b v hard for mister lyng to be back after our manager told him he was not good enough for the championship only good enough for the league. Do you honestly think those lads would ever go near val Andrews again, most certainly not, they have some level of self respect left, rumours a few more are leaving cos of our present manager, shows what he is like putting miller back in the goals after him being back in the panel aweek and fintan Reilly training since October, v good management that, may aswel just come out and say We HAVE DONE NO WORK ON KICKOUTS THIS YR. can u not get ur kicks another way myles without personally abusing s fella who gave up 4 or 5 nights a week training and playing with Cavan since minor level and prob before
Quote from: sams the aim on February 10, 2012, 11:35:46 PM
Myles u seem to have a lot of information, d lads are back are they? It wud b v hard for mister lyng to be back after our manager told him he was not good enough for the championship only good enough for the league. Do you honestly think those lads would ever go near val Andrews again, most certainly not, they have some level of self respect left, rumours a few more are leaving cos of our present manager, shows what he is like putting miller back in the goals after him being back in the panel aweek and fintan Reilly training since October, v good management that, may aswel just come out and say We HAVE DONE NO WORK ON KICKOUTS THIS YR. can u not get ur kicks another way myles without personally abusing s fella who gave up 4 or 5 nights a week training and playing with Cavan since minor level and prob before
Have to say I would agree with that point. Very strange move. Does anybody know exactly what is going on? It still all just hear say
Quote from: sams the aim on February 10, 2012, 11:35:46 PM
Myles u seem to have a lot of information, d lads are back are they? It wud b v hard for mister lyng to be back after our manager told him he was not good enough for the championship only good enough for the league. Do you honestly think those lads would ever go near val Andrews again, most certainly not, they have some level of self respect left, rumours a few more are leaving cos of our present manager, shows what he is like putting miller back in the goals after him being back in the panel aweek and fintan Reilly training since October, v good management that, may aswel just come out and say We HAVE DONE NO WORK ON KICKOUTS THIS YR. can u not get ur kicks another way myles without personally abusing s fella who gave up 4 or 5 nights a week training and playing with Cavan since minor level and prob before
That's what I heard but it could be bad info I suppose. I never said I thought Andrews was a good manager, I have serious doubts about him. However, he is the manager this year and the man players must deal with. Its about playing for your county not playing for manager x or manager y, but maybe that is the problem with these lads as the county jersey is secondary to their own ego. I always liked lyng as a player but he was poor last year and its been a while since he starred for Cavan. Shierdan is a good tough player too but I think his versatility has worked against him as different managers have tried him in positions that are not suited to him. I'd like to see them both get another chance but if the manager decides not then I'll accept that. At least they didn't both run away to another county like the othe fella.
Myles ur ignoring every pt here us a manager that talks about hard work in training then brings a keeper back after a week and plays him after all d training they have done, v good man management that, now mc cutcheon has packed it in I heard cos he feels the manager has not got a clue and has a set on the older more experienced players see mc keever not getting a look in either disgraceful, see ur personal abuse dusnt stop, maybe in ur youth myles u played with Cavan and gave ur all on ur own to improve as an individual and therefore help d team? 7 pts scored last night but sure we can do without macky lyng Johnston and smith, great management that glad u have decided to back d manager in all this it's all making sense now ;D he has not got a clue maybe u cud be new manager myles if u did put so much into ur own career.
Here, you're not texting your 14 year old girlfriend, type properly FFS.
Quote from: sams the aim on February 11, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
Myles ur ignoring every pt here us a manager that talks about hard work in training then brings a keeper back after a week and plays him after all d training they have done, v good man management that, now mc cutcheon has packed it in I heard cos he feels the manager has not got a clue and has a set on the older more experienced players see mc keever not getting a look in either disgraceful, see ur personal abuse dusnt stop, maybe in ur youth myles u played with Cavan and gave ur all on ur own to improve as an individual and therefore help d team? 7 pts scored last night but sure we can do without macky lyng Johnston and smith, great management that glad. u have decided to back d manager in all this it's all making sense now ;D he has. not got a clue maybe u cud be new manager myles if u did put so much into. ur own career.
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Sure maybe make your boyfriend seanie the manager. I know he was a super captain so should be no problem. The reason we get people like Andrews to manage us is because no one in their right mind would touch us with a barge pole. Why? Well firstly there are the idiots like you for supporters, then there are the players that our past few managers have questioned their commitment. We are a young team and it will take time. Maybe their potential will attract a better quality of manager but their is no point now after 2 games to try and change it.
There is every point if it stops us going to division 4 ? Wud a bit of experience on d bench like the lads I named not have helped in a game like tonight?we have a management dropping some of our best players and now one of our best d last few years mc cutcheon has packed it in, manager obviously has a good set up, fermanagh got Canavan and had no underage success so dnt use that as an excuse, Cavan co board obviously no clue either
Quote from: Jinxy on February 11, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Here, you're not texting your 14 year old girlfriend, type properly FFS.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ; ;D
Brilliant.
Needed that humour after the shite tonight!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 10, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on February 10, 2012, 03:46:33 PM
I'm tempted to drive over to Straffan for a look see.
I'd say the traffic is off the charts over there with all the Seanie watchers cruising around.
Good crew forming alright
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3566/3404789273_d395be5700_m.jpg)
A real home from home.
Quote from: Jinxy on January 30, 2012, 09:34:58 PM
There'll be a gypsy curse on the flourbags if this goes through.
No Leinster title for at least 50 years.
I have a gypsy on speed-dial for this sort of thing.
I specifically told that gypsy to stop them winning a game in the CHAMPIONSHIP and she went and cursed them for the league instead.
It's hard to find a reliable gypsy nowadays.
http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/gaelicfootball/articles/2012/02/15/4009016-seanie-we-hardly-knew-ye--and-now-youre-gone/
Quote from: Despite overseeing relegation and his failure to deliver a Leinster title or even gain a championship victory over a blue-blood team like Dublin, Meath, Kerry, Galway or Tyrone in four years, McGeeney has been hailed as a messiah and his team have been regulary mentioned among the top four in the land, even though they're not even in the top flight of the league.
Ah here! Someone has missed the last two seasons.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 09:40:09 AM
http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/gaelicfootball/articles/2012/02/15/4009016-seanie-we-hardly-knew-ye--and-now-youre-gone/
That is brutal journalism
It's not the worst article in the world but he seems full of his own self worth and very offended that SJ sooner talk to the national press than himself plus why he needs to disparage Kildare to prove his point considering the inaccuracies it does some seem what subjective.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 17, 2012, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: Despite overseeing relegation and his failure to deliver a Leinster title or even gain a championship victory over a blue-blood team like Dublin, Meath, Kerry, Galway or Tyrone in four years, McGeeney has been hailed as a messiah and his team have been regulary mentioned among the top four in the land, even though they're not even in the top flight of the league.
Ah here! Someone has missed the last two seasons.
You're just jealous you're not a blue-blood team like us.
The facts are in the article and thats why i posted it. Whether its good journalism or not I don't know.
I'd also consider it quite ropey journalism where you report something as fact on the basis that you have one side of the story and can't get the other because the subject of the article isn't speaking to your publication. A lot of the "story" seems to be as much about the journalist(s) and their respective publication(s). Wish to christ this whole thing would go away.
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Its a good thing for Cavan that their best player in donkeys years in gone? Can't fathom this attitude at all. All it would have taken here is for the co. board or the manager to pick up the phone and say "look, don't do anything rash..get yourself into shape and you'll be back on the panel in no time". All this circus could have been avoided.
If Seanie hung up the phone on Andrews in this '10 second phone call' why is this being used as a stick to beat Andrews by Seanies supporters?
Was he supposed to ring him back?
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 17, 2012, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Its a good thing for Cavan that their best player in donkeys years in gone? Can't fathom this attitude at all. All it would have taken here is for the co. board or the manager to pick up the phone and say "look, don't do anything rash..get yourself into shape and you'll be back on the panel in no time". All this circus could have been avoided.
No. It's a good thing the most disruptive player is gone. How much shit do you allow a talented player away with before he starts having a negative effect on others? I have a low tolerance for this crap. And please, our best player? Highly debatable but I'm sure seanie thinks he is
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Erm, Myles you have a fair bit of research done on this topic so could you show me where the lad in question said he hung up the phone on Val after a 10 second phone call. I will await your response with interest. Could you name these sources of yours, were they the same ones that told you Lyng and Sheridan were back in the panel last week? By the way my initial post wasn't a go at you, after all you only posted an article on the subject, albeit a favorite one of yours. My comments were simply on the journalist in question and his rather strange method of gathering what is stated as fact, although in fairness he did lead with his chin in pointing out the pretty flimsy basis for supporting his assertions regarding that most famous of phone calls. This topic has finally bored the proverbial tits of me and I am NEVER posting on it again. Off to do something genuinely interesting now like watching the paint dry on my daughters toy mousetrap.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 17, 2012, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Its a good thing for Cavan that their best player in donkeys years in gone? Can't fathom this attitude at all. All it would have taken here is for the co. board or the manager to pick up the phone and say "look, don't do anything rash..get yourself into shape and you'll be back on the panel in no time". All this circus could have been avoided.
No. It's a good thing the most disruptive player is gone. How much shit do you allow a talented player away with before he starts having a negative effect on others? I have a low tolerance for this crap. And please, our best player? Highly debatable but I'm sure seanie thinks he is
What "disruptive" stuff did he get up to?
Quote from: anglocelt39 on February 17, 2012, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Erm, Myles you have a fair bit of research done on this topic so could you show me where the lad in question said he hung up the phone on Val after a 10 second phone call. I will await your response with interest. Could you name these sources of yours, were they the same ones that told you Lyng and Sheridan were back in the panel last week? By the way my initial post wasn't a go at you, after all you only posted an article on the subject, albeit a favorite one of yours. My comments were simply on the journalist in question and his rather strange method of gathering what is stated as fact, although in fairness he did lead with his chin in pointing out the pretty flimsy basis for supporting his assertions regarding that most famous of phone calls. This topic has finally bored the proverbial tits of me and I am NEVER posting on it again. Off to do something genuinely interesting now like watching the paint dry on my daughters toy mousetrap.
I won't be revealing my sources no. I believe it was me who told you all about him trying to get his club to gamble 10k on an appeal and then when they refused he went to change clubs - something that everyone now knows is true. I heard the rumour about Lyng and Shieridan from a friend, seems it was wrong but I believe I said it was just a rumour. I seem to recall you praising Fitzpatrick previously, has he become "bitter and twisted" because he doesn't agree with you. For something that bores the tits of you you seem to post a lot on it. One final question - do you honestly believe the call took 10 seconds - I mean what can you say in 10 seconds? That is spin from the player to discredit the manager and I think you know that.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 17, 2012, 08:12:21 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 17, 2012, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 17, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
We do have seanies story Anglo he told the indo and numerous national media organs, what is missing is Andrews story and I presume the celt has spoken with people in the know as to what happened. Funny, my sources tell me almost exactly what the celt printed. It done now anyway and its a good thing for Cavan that he's gone and hopefully we can bring these true Cavan men on to the next level.
Its a good thing for Cavan that their best player in donkeys years in gone? Can't fathom this attitude at all. All it would have taken here is for the co. board or the manager to pick up the phone and say "look, don't do anything rash..get yourself into shape and you'll be back on the panel in no time". All this circus could have been avoided.
No. It's a good thing the most disruptive player is gone. How much shit do you allow a talented player away with before he starts having a negative effect on others? I have a low tolerance for this crap. And please, our best player? Highly debatable but I'm sure seanie thinks he is
What "disruptive" stuff did he get up to?
There are 35 pages here, go and have a read of them.
Best player in Donkey's years....? Nowhere near as good as McCabe, and debatable whether he's as good as Larry or Jayo.
Quote from: Westside on February 18, 2012, 01:19:15 AM
Best player in Donkey's years....? Nowhere near as good as McCabe, and debatable whether he's as good as Larry or Jayo.
Ok, let me rephrase that...best player since McCabe retired. IMO he is better than Larry or Jason Reilly. He is certainly in the top 10 of Cavan players of the last 25 years anyway.
Better than Jason or Larry? Not a chance. He has/had the potential to be but he has never got there. Larry and Jason scored some amount, fought hard on the pitch and generally played at a higher level than Johnston. 25 years brings us back to 1988. Big stretch to put him in top 10 since then. Damian reilly, Stephen king, Ronan carolan, ciaran Brady, peter reilly, Larry reilly, Jason reilly, Dermot McCabe, fintan Cahill and Bernard morris are 10 of the top of my head. Top 10 for potential but if you talk about players who realised the potential I don't think so.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 18, 2012, 03:33:10 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 18, 2012, 01:19:15 AM
Best player in Donkey's years....? Nowhere near as good as McCabe, and debatable whether he's as good as Larry or Jayo.
Ok, let me rephrase that...best player since McCabe retired. IMO he is better than Larry or Jason Reilly.
He is in his arse!
Quote from: Jinxy on February 18, 2012, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on February 18, 2012, 03:33:10 AM
Quote from: Westside on February 18, 2012, 01:19:15 AM
Best player in Donkey's years....? Nowhere near as good as McCabe, and debatable whether he's as good as Larry or Jayo.
Ok, let me rephrase that...best player since McCabe retired. IMO he is better than Larry or Jason Reilly.
He is in his arse!
Will ya get away outa that, ya bad article ya!
Stop trying to torment yer poor befuddled neighbours and let them mourn the loss of Seanie in private.
Of course Seanie was big in Cavan and well-known throughout the rest of the country— eight and a half pages were put up here on the day the OP set the ball rolling.
I cannot recall any other topic generating as much interest and that includes the day Joe Sheridan got his codes mixed up and put the name of Martin Sludden into the history books.
At the moment the thread is 35 pages long with most of the posts coming from Cavan heads who keep on telling the rest of us that they don't miss the little hoor one bit and they'll keep on telling us this for 35 more if you don't stop egging them on. :D
I'm trying to keep Myles occupied in here.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 18, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
I'm trying to keep Myles occupied in here.
You are?
Jaysus, I'd never have guessed that. ;D ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on February 17, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
If Seanie hung up the phone on Andrews in this '10 second phone call' why is this being used as a stick to beat Andrews by Seanies supporters?
Was he supposed to ring him back?
. Andrews words to Seanie was "I won't be using you this year I'm going with something new" Seanie hung up. He heard the message there was no need to stay on the line. Andrews words to Mackey was " go find yourself" whatever that's suppose to mean. Don't know what was said to the others
Quote from: Richiej on February 18, 2012, 02:29:10 PMAndrews words to Mackey was " go find yourself" whatever that's suppose to mean.
Are you sure it was "find" he said?
Quote from: Hardy on February 18, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: Richiej on February 18, 2012, 02:29:10 PMAndrews words to Mackey was " go find yourself" whatever that's suppose to mean.
Are sure it was "find" he said?
:D
Quote from: Hardy on February 18, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: Richiej on February 18, 2012, 02:29:10 PMAndrews words to Mackey was " go find yourself" whatever that's suppose to mean.
Are you sure it was "find" he said?
Yes I'm sure it was" find" because rumour has it that Mackeys reply to Andrews was"do you not know I'm All Ireland hide and seek champion!!
I don't doubt that, he went missing without trace in enough games..
Johnston back training with Cavan Gaels apparently.
Bill Clinton must have found him squatting in his gaff at the K Club and booted him out....
Quote from: Richiej on February 18, 2012, 08:04:12 PM
Quote from: Hardy on February 18, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: Richiej on February 18, 2012, 02:29:10 PMAndrews words to Mackey was " go find yourself" whatever that's suppose to mean.
Are you sure it was "find" he said?
Yes I'm sure it was" find" because rumour has it that Mackeys reply to Andrews was"do you not know I'm All Ireland hide and seek champion!!
i seen mackey in HMV yesturday he bought this CD...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDSxJfbN3vs&ob=av2e
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2012, 12:16:42 AM
Johnston back training with Cavan Gaels apparently.
Bill Clinton must have found him squatting in his gaff at the K Club and booted him out....
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/johnston-fate-back-in-cavans-hands-3029049.html
Great the way the CCCC turned it back onto the Cavan Co Board , proper order too. Mc Cabe and Co can now see the proper documents, sign the transfer off and concentrate on their own manager and players and let Seanie Johnston go and do what he is good at.......play football
The Cavan Co Board should spend more time worrying about players who have left the panel of their own free wish than worrying where players go that were forced out.
QuoteGreat the way the CCCC turned it back onto the Cavan Co Board , proper order too. Mc Cabe and Co can now see the proper documents, sign the transfer off and concentrate on their own manager and players and let Seanie Johnston go and do what he is good at.......play football
Remind me, the Cavan Co. Board wanted documented proof that Johnson was living in Kildare.
Got what they wanted so everyone is happy? Hopefully this will bring an end to "Is he, will he" and everyone can play ball.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2012, 12:16:42 AM
Johnston back training with Cavan Gaels apparently.
Bill Clinton must have found him squatting in his gaff at the K Club and booted him out....
Seanies day...
Get up at 7am, half hour for the breakfast, 1.5 hrs drive from Straffan to Cavan for work
Work from 9 - 5
Drive
home to Straffan arrive at 6-30
No time for dinner, have to make training.
Drive back to training in Cavan, arrive at 8-00
Do extra laps for being late at training.
Training from 8-15 to 9-30
Get showered and have a rant about Val Andrews,depart home at 10
Arrive home at 11-30
Hit the sack at 12.
Sure is tough being a top class player these days ::)
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 23, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on February 23, 2012, 12:16:42 AM
Johnston back training with Cavan Gaels apparently.
Bill Clinton must have found him squatting in his gaff at the K Club and booted him out....
Seanies day...
Get up at 7am, half hour for the breakfast, 1.5 hrs drive from Straffan to Cavan for work
Work from 9 - 5
Drive home to Straffan arrive at 6-30
No time for dinner, have to make training.
Drive back to training in Cavan, arrive at 8-00
Do extra laps for being late at training.
Training from 8-15 to 9-30
Get showered and have a rant about Val Andrews,depart home at 10
Arrive home at 11-30
Hit the sack at 12.
Sure is tough being a top class player these days ::)
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=162589
add to all that training with the gaels too..........busy man our Seanie is!!
It's curiouser and curiouser it gets.
Any of the Cavan lads have the lowdown here?
Has Seanie given up on the bright lights of Straffan?
Don't know Jinxy, don't care either. If he does go back to Cavan gaels he will probably lose his deposit on his new rented house in straffan.
The brother spent last weekend in Belturbet visiting the in-laws. As he expected, there was plenty of talk about Seanie and Val and everybody, including his 90 plus mother-in-law had taken sides.
He was quite surprised at the number who backed Seanie. He claims everyone he spoke to reckoned Val was a total waste of space or worse.
Seanie got plenty of stick alright but nobody he talked to reckoned Val was up to it.
According to what he was told, Seanie and a few other players used Twitter to chat amongst themselves and in the process gave their opinions of Val and his management style.
Apparently, Val became aware of what was being posted about him and got to read the comments. Seems he wasn't too impressed.
The rest as they say is history.
I have no way of telling whether this really happened or not but I know a few of the buckos the bro met up with and they are all sound GAA men. Rory's supporters, the lot of them.
What has surprised me is that none of the Cavan lads on here have brought this story up to date. I'm not saying I know it's the truth but I'd bet that those who mentioned it to my brother did so in good faith.
But everyone can see what you say on Twitter can't they?
I doubt they'd be that dumb to use twitter to give out about Val.
Quote from: Jinxy on February 24, 2012, 11:41:16 PM
But everyone can see what you say on Twitter can't they?
I doubt they'd be that dumb to use twitter to give out about Val.
No, you can protect your tweets so only followers you manually approve can read them. The same happened to Alan Dillon and Peadar Gardiner and I think a couple of other Mayo lads when they started criticising John O'Mahony a few years ago.
It seems your tweets are public by default but I''m sure others know more about this than I do.
That is what I've heard - that there were a number of players who had been posting negative comments about andrews on the net, he found out and ditched the 6 of them (the no I heard) of whom seanie was one.
The issue about him training with cavan gaels isnt that relevant I reckon. |He didnt want to leave until he had to to qualify to play interco football elsewhere, and obviously retains his affinity with them (the slant that he threw the head up and left cavan gaels in bad humour because they wouldnt back an appeal at 10k is absolute bollocks, and its pretty low of the poster who said that to give it that spin) so obviously trains with them the odd time....well, either that or hes been told andrews is walkng shortly
I can't wait to see Seanie kicking points from all angles for Kildare. Because that will make Andrews look a bigger clown than he already looks.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
That is what I've heard - that there were a number of players who had been posting negative comments about andrews on the net, he found out and ditched the 6 of them (the no I heard) of whom seanie was one.
The issue about him training with cavan gaels isnt that relevant I reckon. |He didnt want to leave until he had to to qualify to play interco football elsewhere, and obviously retains his affinity with them (the slant that he threw the head up and left cavan gaels in bad humour because they wouldnt back an appeal at 10k is absolute bollocks, and its pretty low of the poster who said that to give it that spin) so obviously trains with them the odd time....well, either that or hes been told andrews is walkng shortly
He's already training with St. Kevins though isn't he?
My point is what would be strange about a player who had transferred to another club, if home (forget the ins and outs of the residency argument) goign along to a training session with his old club? It happens a lot.
Lads I don't think Johnston had a twitter account until after this whole thing started. Facebook perhaps but then the comments would be private unless he read them through a mutual friend's account.
Richie how will that make Val look like a bigger clown? Nobody is doubting Johnston is capable of kicking scores. What he does at Kildare is completely irrelevant to Val Andrews and to Cavan. Except the fact that him being there will prove what a little sell out he really is.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
My point is what would be strange about a player who had transferred to another club, if home (forget the ins and outs of the residency argument) goign along to a training session with his old club? It happens a lot.
Does it?
When they had no good reason for leaving that club in the first place?
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
My point is what would be strange about a player who had transferred to another club, if home (forget the ins and outs of the residency argument) goign along to a training session with his old club? It happens a lot.
Aside from the fact that he's ineligible to train with anyone aside from St Kevins and hence uninsured were he to suffer an injury, there's nothing 'strange' whatsoever about it. In fact this whole episode has been entirely straightforward.
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
Lads I don't think Johnston had a twitter account until after this whole thing started. Facebook perhaps but then the comments would be private unless he read them through a mutual friend's account.
Richie how will that make Val look like a bigger clown? Nobody is doubting Johnston is capable of kicking scores. What he does at Kildare is completely irrelevant to Val Andrews and to Cavan. Except the fact that him being there will prove what a little sell out he really is.
. Westside .... The whole thing started from comments on the hogstand. Val thought Seanie was badmouthing him anonymously , that's why Val took exception and told Seanie he wouldn't use him this year. A friend of Seanie who works in Cavan hospital is from Armagh and happens to be a personal friend of McGeeneys family tipped McGeeney off about the situation. That's how it all started. Seanie now has 2 options. Transfer lock stock n barrel to Kildare , kick them from all angles and make Val look stupid for dropping him or stand his ground , play for the Gaels and hope Val gets the boot or resigns this year. If he plays for the Gaels tomorrow we will know the option he took. Val started all this. He had no reason to drop Seanie . He wasn't the worst player last year. It's just Andrews looking for attention.. Well he will get plenty of attention of he don't start picking up league points
I find it very confusing that Seanie Johnston is training with Cavan Gaels, seeing as he is a member of the St. Kevin's club in Kildare and living in Straffan. Seanie is also on record in a recent interview as saying that "If I'm playing with Kildare and training six days a week, it's impossible to be living in Cavan."
But it seems he's training in Cavan...so by Seanie's own standards, doesn't that make it impossible for him to be living in Kildare?
My word, this is all very confusing. Oh, so confusing.
So you admit that the whole Kildare thing is a farce then Richie?? What kind of Gael are you that you'd want to see Johnston break the whole ethos of the GAA, leave Cavan and your beloved Gaels to go play with Kildare.
Also that's an extremely one sided version of events and ignores Johnston's terrible attitude on the field at times and the fact that he was not well liked by his teammates in the main. He'd also want to show a hell of a lot more than he has in Cavan's last 3 Championship games before he intends on "kicking them from all angles".
Johnston lacks class and a fair bit of common sense. That much is blatantly obvious from this whole saga. If Andrews goes I would imagine any manager would think twice about Johnston's role in the team given how quickly he abandoned Cavan this year.
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
If Andrews goes I would imagine any manager would think twice about Johnston's role in the team given how quickly he abandoned Cavan this year.
You mean the second time after he abandoned them. He accepted a nice little mid-season transfer to Brendans in Chicago ahead of Cavans qualfiers in 2007.
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
My point is what would be strange about a player who had transferred to another club, if home (forget the ins and outs of the residency argument) goign along to a training session with his old club? It happens a lot.
Aside from the fact that he's ineligible to train with anyone aside from St Kevins and hence uninsured were he to suffer an injury, there's nothing 'strange' whatsoever about it. In fact this whole episode has been entirely straightforward.
Wtf are you talking about?? Players are 'ineligible'to train with anyone but the club they're signed to?? Thousands of lads train every week with clubs that arent their own you eejit.
Jinxy, theres been no fall out with cavan gaels whatsoever despite what some are trying to claim. As I said, forgetting the residdency issue, its perfectly normal that a lad, if he was home for the weekend or whatever, would train with his home club, especially if its likely nhe wil return in the future.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 06:34:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 05:34:42 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 11:40:56 AM
My point is what would be strange about a player who had transferred to another club, if home (forget the ins and outs of the residency argument) goign along to a training session with his old club? It happens a lot.
Aside from the fact that he's ineligible to train with anyone aside from St Kevins and hence uninsured were he to suffer an injury, there's nothing 'strange' whatsoever about it. In fact this whole episode has been entirely straightforward.
Wtf are you talking about?? Players are 'ineligible'to train with anyone but the club they're signed to?? Thousands of lads train every week with clubs that arent their own you eejit.
I would've though my post was crystal clear and there is hardly a need to get personal.
I would suggest you check the Official Guide and then post an apology.
Should you require clarification on anything else don't hesitate to ask.
Apology? Why would I apologise - I meant eejit as a term of endearment you surely realised? ;)
Anyway, you state sarcastically (I presume, so already your post isnt exactly crystal clear, is it?) that theres nothing strange about him training for a club hes not signed for which, (in your crystal clear way) I take you to mean you actually DO think it strange.
I point out that thousands of lads train regularly with clubs that arent their own. I believe theres a thread on this very board seeking players from other clubs to come along to train with them. So it would appear its very commonplace, and thus not at all strange. I wont be so self righteous as to ask for an apology.
Also, to take you up on your offer of clarification, what is this about ineligibility to train with other clubs in the official guide? Shouldnt there be some sort of crackdown?? ???
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
Apology? Why would I apologise - I meant eejit as a term of endearment you surely realised? ;)
Anyway, you state sarcastically (I presume, so already your post isnt exactly crystal clear, is it?) that theres nothing strange about him training for a club hes not signed for which, (in your crystal clear way) I take you to mean you actually DO think it strange.
I point out that thousands of lads train regularly with clubs that arent their own. I believe theres a thread on this very board seeking players from other clubs to come along to train with them. So it would appear its very commonplace, and thus not at all strange. I wont be so self righteous as to ask for an apology.
Also, to take you up on your offer of clarification, what is this about ineligibility to train with other clubs in the official guide? Shouldnt there be some sort of crackdown?? ???
I'll take it from the top so.
Seanie Johnson (or any other player for that matter) is not permitted to train with any club of which he is not a member. If he's training with both clubs while living in Straffan (or has he moved back to Cavan now??) then if he got injured then he wouldn't be insured.
Therefore this is strange.
Westside........ And anyone else who wants to listen...... Val was interviewed after the Longford league game... He wished Seanie the best of luck. He never told the radio station the door wasn't closed.. Why not? Cos it was closed. Andrews is going to look a mug if Seanie performs for Kildare . I've a hunch he will stay with the Gaels out of loyality. There is no way he will move club for fun. Christ sake he's been there since he was 7. Gaels is probably most hated club in the county bit if your involved in that club you will also know it's the greatest family club you could be attached to .. Seanie knows that. He's steeped in temraditition , his grandfather won an all Ireland minor medal in 1938 so he don't take stupid inter county transfer chat lightly. I hope he stays with the Gaels .. Don't give a Fcuk if he never kicked a county ball again for Andrews..look at Sean Reilly,,, best fielder of a ball on the county.. You think he'd ever play for Andrews??? No chance.. Nor chesty either. Cavan football is bollaxed!!!!
Quote from: Richiej on February 25, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
I've a hunch he will stay with the Gaels out of loyality. There is no way he will move club for fun. Christ sake he's been there since he was 7. Gaels is probably most hated club in the county bit if your involved in that club you will also know it's the greatest family club you could be attached to .. Seanie knows that. He's steeped in temraditition
Did you not get the memo that he applied for a transfer to leave?
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:05:59 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 06:58:09 PM
Apology? Why would I apologise - I meant eejit as a term of endearment you surely realised? ;)
Anyway, you state sarcastically (I presume, so already your post isnt exactly crystal clear, is it?) that theres nothing strange about him training for a club hes not signed for which, (in your crystal clear way) I take you to mean you actually DO think it strange.
I point out that thousands of lads train regularly with clubs that arent their own. I believe theres a thread on this very board seeking players from other clubs to come along to train with them. So it would appear its very commonplace, and thus not at all strange. I wont be so self righteous as to ask for an apology.
Also, to take you up on your offer of clarification, what is this about ineligibility to train with other clubs in the official guide? Shouldnt there be some sort of crackdown?? ???
I'll take it from the top so.
Seanie Johnson (or any other player for that matter) is not permitted to train with any club of which he is not a member. If he's training with both clubs while living in Straffan (or has he moved back to Cavan now??) then if he got injured then he wouldn't be insured.
Therefore this is strange.
Two points.
Firstly, who says he is not a member of Cavan Gaels? Is there anything stopping someone from being a
member of two clubs?
Secondly, I would have thought what was 'strange' and what was 'normal' was defined, not by statute, but by general trends.
For e.g., there was an oft quoted law in the UK that apparently is technically still in force (or was until recently), whcih stated that a pregnant woman can relieve herself anwhere she wants, including in a policemans helmet. If you witnessed this taking place, would you not consider it strange, given that it very rarely happens, or rather would you consider it normal, purely because it is provided for in law?
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:20:55 PM
Quote from: Richiej on February 25, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
I've a hunch he will stay with the Gaels out of loyality. There is no way he will move club for fun. Christ sake he's been there since he was 7. Gaels is probably most hated club in the county bit if your involved in that club you will also know it's the greatest family club you could be attached to .. Seanie knows that. He's steeped in temraditition
Did you not get the memo that he applied for a transfer to leave?
. I don't think he will ever play club or county football in Kildare. And really that's no offence to any Kildare ppl. No way. They like us never won f.a. Seanie just ain't the type. His heart wouldn't be in it.
Quote from: Richiej on February 25, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
Westside........ And anyone else who wants to listen...... Val was interviewed after the Longford league game... He wished Seanie the best of luck. He never told the radio station the door wasn't closed.. Why not? Cos it was closed. Andrews is going to look a mug if Seanie performs for Kildare . I've a hunch he will stay with the Gaels out of loyality. There is no way he will move club for fun. Christ sake he's been there since he was 7. Gaels is probably most hated club in the county bit if your involved in that club you will also know it's the greatest family club you could be attached to .. Seanie knows that. He's steeped in temraditition , his grandfather won an all Ireland minor medal in 1938 so he don't take stupid inter county transfer chat lightly. I hope he stays with the Gaels .. Don't give a Fcuk if he never kicked a county ball again for Andrews..look at Sean Reilly,,, best fielder of a ball on the county.. You think he'd ever play for Andrews??? No chance.. Nor chesty either. Cavan football is bollaxed!!!!
Explain this one to me. ???
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Apology? Why would I apologise - I meant eejit as a term of endearment you surely realised? ;)
Anyway, you state sarcastically (I presume, so already your post isnt exactly crystal clear, is it?) that theres nothing strange about him training for a club hes not signed for which, (in your crystal clear way) I take you to mean you actually DO think it strange.
I point out that thousands of lads train regularly with clubs that arent their own. I believe theres a thread on this very board seeking players from other clubs to come along to train with them. So it would appear its very commonplace, and thus not at all strange. I wont be so self righteous as to ask for an apology.
Also, to take you up on your offer of clarification, what is this about ineligibility to train with other clubs in the official guide? Shouldnt there be some sort of crackdown?? ???
I'll take it from the top so.
Seanie Johnson (or any other player for that matter) is not permitted to train with any club of which he is not a member. If he's training with both clubs while living in Straffan (or has he moved back to Cavan now??) then if he got injured then he wouldn't be insured.
Therefore this is strange.
Is there anything stopping someone from being a member of two clubs?
Yes. The GAA rule book.
Quote from: Richiej on February 25, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:20:55 PM
Quote from: Richiej on February 25, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
I've a hunch he will stay with the Gaels out of loyality. There is no way he will move club for fun. Christ sake he's been there since he was 7. Gaels is probably most hated club in the county bit if your involved in that club you will also know it's the greatest family club you could be attached to .. Seanie knows that. He's steeped in temraditition
Did you not get the memo that he applied for a transfer to leave?
. I don't think he will ever play club or county football in Kildare. And really that's no offence to any Kildare ppl. No way.
There's gonna be some angry arabs in Kildare so gunning for him. Faking tenancy agreements and utilty bill connections - those mad sheiks aren't going to take this lying down.
Cavan co board tried to block Seanies transfer cos they wernt taking the rap for Andrews misgudgement ... Fine great... Reilly trying to save his skin bit he gone this year.Seanie ain't popular but he got ability and that will pul him through. He got a great name for looking after underage lads and is highly respected so if you wana pick holes, there more wholes I Andrews. ..
Quote from: Richiej on February 25, 2012, 07:40:27 PM
if you wana pick holes, there more wholes I Andrews. ..
Andrew mgt is an entirely seperate issue and if you want him removed you lobby your club Secretary to mandate your delegate to this effect.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 07:27:36 PMthere was an oft quoted law in the UK that apparently is technically still in force (or was until recently), whcih stated that a pregnant woman can relieve herself anwhere she wants, including in a policemans helmet. If you witnessed this taking place, would you not consider it strange, given that it very rarely happens, or rather would you consider it normal, purely because it is provided for in law?
That's the best and most apt analogy I've seen in a long time and I enjoyed it more than anything else that happened today.
The night is young, though.
This is brilliant.. Richie gets wind that Johnston is back training with the Gaels and all of a sudden Johnston is a model of loyalty. Despite the fact that he was training with the Kildare club and tweeting with his ex-Gaels teammates about how he wouldn't be playing with them this year and is producing tenency agreements and utility bills to prove he is living in Kildare in an attempt to move.
Yes Johnsotn is great with the young lads. One particular young lad on the panel told me about Johnston telling Carr to **** off before a league game in which he was told he wouldn't be on freetaking duties. A real role model the floury Seanie.
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 07:27:36 PM
Is there anything stopping someone from being a member of two clubs?
Yes. The GAA rule book.
Christ. You are exposing absolutely tons of shit the GAA should be cracking down on tonight, for I know a lot of lads that play football for one club and hurl for another - I'm pretty sure they're full members of both. Do you want to let them know?
Quote from: Westside on February 25, 2012, 08:29:21 PM
This is brilliant.. Richie gets wind that Johnston is back training with the Gaels and all of a sudden Johnston is a model of loyalty. Despite the fact that he was training with the Kildare club and tweeting with his ex-Gaels teammates about how he wouldn't be playing with them this year and is producing tenency agreements and utility bills to prove he is living in Kildare in an attempt to move.
Yes Johnsotn is great with the young lads. One particular young lad on the panel told me about Johnston telling Carr to **** off before a league game in which he was told he wouldn't be on freetaking duties. A real role model the floury Seanie.
Seanie is training with the Gaels because he is member of the Gaels and also players representitive elected at the AGM in Dec.
As far as im aware this hasnt changed simply because no transfer has gone through.
As for telling Tc to Fcuk off?? Well he probably just said what every other player and supporter want to say.
I wish someone would tell Andrews to Fcuk off....and more importantly i hope he heeds it when they do!
Richie, do you honestly think it is ok for a player to tell his manager to f**k off in a pre match team talk. If i was Cavan manager for that game the jersey would have veen given to someone else and seanie told to f**k off.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 26, 2012, 09:23:43 AM
Richie, do you honestly think it is ok for a player to tell his manager to f**k off in a pre match team talk. If i was Cavan manager for that game the jersey would have veen given to someone else and seanie told to f**k off.
Its ok if its seanie.
This was at the beginning of Carr's 2 years in charge at a league game.. I asked what Johnston was like as a teammate and his response was short but telling: "He does what he wants"
Worth noting that Seanie publicly supported TC staying on.. I suppose he liked getting his way.
Johnston is like Denis Glennon and Paddy Bradley. Talented players but what they add to a team with talent, they take away in poor attitude.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 07:27:36 PM
Is there anything stopping someone from being a member of two clubs?
Yes. The GAA rule book.
Christ. You are exposing absolutely tons of shit the GAA should be cracking down on tonight, for I know a lot of lads that play football for one club and hurl for another - I'm pretty sure they're full members of both. Do you want to let them know?
There is an exception for players playing different codes for different clubs.
Any further questions you need answered?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 26, 2012, 09:23:43 AM
Richie, do you honestly think it is ok for a player to tell his manager to f**k off in a pre match team talk. If i was Cavan manager for that game the jersey would have veen given to someone else and seanie told to f**k off.
Myles, I don't have any particular favourite in this row; neither Seanie nor Val strikes me as particularly mature adults.
Now, I don't claim to have any inside information on what's going on behind the scenes but, from what I can see and hear, Andrews is an even bigger plank than Johnston.
For starters, it seems Val found out what Seanie and others had to say about him on Twitter. (At least, that seems to be the general consensus here on this board and appears to be taken for granted on the ground in Cavan.)
Now, to my way of thinking that was a privileged 'conversation' amongst a number of his players. As other players have done, they didn't realise that their comments were available to the public.
So they were not meant for Val's ears or, in this case, eyes.
A case of virtual eavesdropping if you like.
If the players in question had been stirring up dissension or mutiny or whatever amongst their fellow players or seeking support in some way to do a Gaddafi on the f**ker, I'd accept his right to take pre-emptive action but it seems they were doing no more than what they would do if they met up on the street.
If players can't strongly disagree with their manager and I mean "disagree," not beat the crap outa him, things have come to a sorry pass.
After all, they are the ones who are giving up the most productive years of their lives in the cause of club and/or county and they are doing it at considerable expense to themselves.
Surely Val should accept that not all players have total confidence in him or are happy to let him carry on as he pleases.
You say it's not okay for a player to tell his manager to f**k off.
I would wonder why you are so definite about this. Given Val's record as manager to date, I'd wonder why loads more players haven't done the same already.
If Seanie was on his own, it could well be a case of him being a troublemaker but when it seems there is a group involved in a row with Val, I think you could well look elsewhere to find the reason for the present flare up.
Seanie is doing himself no favours with his claim to be resident in Straffan and he doesn't strike me as a level-headed, agreeable type of chap either.
But from what some who taught him tell me, he used to be a very popular young fella with no pretensions to grandeur whatever.
Maybe, just maybe, a look at Cavan's championship record and the list of managers since he started playing senior for the county could provide the reason for that.
Was the twitter stuff in full public view? If so then it's not ok to slag your manager on it with all and sundry able to see it...
I wouldn't be taking sides either as I don't think anyone has come out of this very well. Andrews looks like "a plank" and Johnston is pretty much on a par too.
Lar Naparka: Johnston didn't have a twitter account until December 2 months after being dropped, Mackey the same, Lyng doesn't have one and neither does Sheridan.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 26, 2012, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 26, 2012, 09:23:43 AM
Richie, do you honestly think it is ok for a player to tell his manager to f**k off in a pre match team talk. If i was Cavan manager for that game the jersey would have veen given to someone else and seanie told to f**k off.
Myles, I don't have any particular favourite in this row; neither Seanie nor Val strikes me as particularly mature adults.
Now, I don't claim to have any inside information on what's going on behind the scenes but, from what I can see and hear, Andrews is an even bigger plank than Johnston.
For starters, it seems Val found out what Seanie and others had to say about him on Twitter. (At least, that seems to be the general consensus here on this board and appears to be taken for granted on the ground in Cavan.)
Now, to my way of thinking that was a privileged 'conversation' amongst a number of his players. As other players have done, they didn't realise that their comments were available to the public.
So they were not meant for Val's ears or, in this case, eyes.
A case of virtual eavesdropping if you like.
If the players in question had been stirring up dissension or mutiny or whatever amongst their fellow players or seeking support in some way to do a Gaddafi on the f**ker, I'd accept his right to take pre-emptive action but it seems they were doing no more than what they would do if they met up on the street.
If players can't strongly disagree with their manager and I mean "disagree," not beat the crap outa him, things have come to a sorry pass.
After all, they are the ones who are giving up the most productive years of their lives in the cause of club and/or county and they are doing it at considerable expense to themselves.
Surely Val should accept that not all players have total confidence in him or are happy to let him carry on as he pleases.
You say it's not okay for a player to tell his manager to f**k off.
I would wonder why you are so definite about this. Given Val's record as manager to date, I'd wonder why loads more players haven't done the same already.
If Seanie was on his own, it could well be a case of him being a troublemaker but when it seems there is a group involved in a row with Val, I think you could well look elsewhere to find the reason for the present flare up.
Seanie is doing himself no favours with his claim to be resident in Straffan and he doesn't strike me as a level-headed, agreeable type of chap either.
But from what some who taught him tell me, he used to be a very popular young fella with no pretensions to grandeur whatever.
Maybe, just maybe, a look at Cavan's championship record and the list of managers since he started playing senior for the county could provide the reason for that.
They said the same thing about Josef Stalin.
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Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 07:27:36 PM
Is there anything stopping someone from being a member of two clubs?
Yes. The GAA rule book.
Christ. You are exposing absolutely tons of shit the GAA should be cracking down on tonight, for I know a lot of lads that play football for one club and hurl for another - I'm pretty sure they're full members of both. Do you want to let them know?
There is an exception for players playing different codes for different clubs.
Any further questions you need answered?
No, I actually (figuratively speaking) got up off my arse and checked the rules myself. As I thought, theres
nothing to stop someone being a member of two clubs, but having said that, a playing member cant be a member of a club he is ineligible to play for. So while technically the question I asked was answered incorrectly by yourself, in terms of the bigger issue, I was barking up the wrong tree.
The point still stands though, given that loads of lads train with clubs that they arent eligible to play for, him doing likewise isnt that strange of an issue surely.
Exactly. If he was peeing in a policeman's helmet, that'd be a different thing.
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Quote from: heffo on February 26, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Quote from: heffo on February 25, 2012, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 25, 2012, 07:27:36 PM
Is there anything stopping someone from being a member of two clubs?
Yes. The GAA rule book.
Christ. You are exposing absolutely tons of shit the GAA should be cracking down on tonight, for I know a lot of lads that play football for one club and hurl for another - I'm pretty sure they're full members of both. Do you want to let them know?
There is an exception for players playing different codes for different clubs.
Any further questions you need answered?
No, I actually (figuratively speaking) got up off my arse and checked the rules myself. As I thought, theres nothing to stop someone being a member of two clubs, but having said that, a playing member cant be a member of a club he is ineligible to play for. So while technically the question I asked was answered incorrectly by yourself, in terms of the bigger issue, I was barking up the wrong tree.
The point still stands though, given that loads of lads train with clubs that they arent eligible to play for, him doing likewise isnt that strange of an issue surely.
Just so I'm clear here, what you are saying is that a person can be a member of two different clubs, have voting rights in both clubs and be registered as a player with both clubs. Is that correct?
What would happen if Seanie did his cruciate while illegally training with whatever club he's not registered with? How would he get to Cavan town each morning for work? Who would pick up the bill as he wouldn't be insured...
Lar - he told Tommy Carr to f**k off not Andrews. He told him that because he gave free taking to another player. He disrupted the whole preperation for a match because he wasnt taking the frees. Now given that Westside just told you that seanie had no Twitter account and the "f**k off"was not to Andrews would you like to review your post? Btw, seanie also walked out on donal keoghan the manager before Carr.
You can not be registered as a player with different clubs,unless you play football for one club and hurling for the other. this would apply if for example your football club did not cater for hurling.
Quote from: JUst retired on February 26, 2012, 09:13:30 PM
You can not be registered as a player with different clubs,unless you play football for one club and hurling for the other. this would apply if for example your football club did not cater for hurling.
I posted that at the top of the page.
In your last post you asked for clarity,all I did was give it.
Quote from: JUst retired on February 26, 2012, 09:27:44 PM
In your last post you asked for clarity,all I did was give it.
It was a rhetorical question aimed at a teenage poster.
I had already posted the information you repeated.
You can play hurling for one club and football for the other even if the two clubs play both hurling and football.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 26, 2012, 09:07:17 PM
Lar - he told Tommy Carr to f**k off not Andrews. He told him that because he gave free taking to another player. He disrupted the whole preperation for a match because he wasnt taking the frees. Now given that Westside just told you that seanie had no Twitter account and the "f**k off"was not to Andrews would you like to review your post? Btw, seanie also walked out on donal keoghan the manager before Carr.
I was given out to years ago in the dressing-room before an underage match.
I was told I had to start passing to the other lads more often and stop going for my own score every time.
Did I tell the manager to "f**k off"?
No I didn't.
I just put my head down, said nothing and went out of my way not to pass to anyone during the game.
I was taken off with 15 minutes to go and THEN I told the manager to "f**k off".
You have to be able to take constructive criticism.
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Just so I'm clear here, what you are saying is that a person can be a member of two different clubs, have voting rights in both clubs and be registered as a player with both clubs. Is that correct?
What would happen if Seanie did his cruciate while illegally training with whatever club he's not registered with? How would he get to Cavan town each morning for work? Who would pick up the bill as he wouldn't be insured...
No, I CLEARLY said, you cant be a
player with both clubs. It was so clear that I can only assume you are deliberately misinterpreting. My post was a nod of the head towards humility, in recognising what you had been saying. However, given that you cant interpret simple english, I'm afraid I have to return to antagonism and ask you wtf (as I already have) about the numerous lads training with clubs that arent their own. If as you say they are uncovered, isnt this a massive issue within the GAA which should be pursued? Surely they should all be banned, or sanctions placed on the clubs?
Jinxy, major difference, seanie johnson does the business, you obviously didnt/dont, or you'd never have been taken off :)
Haranguerer - you are aware seanie was dropped last year and stripped of the captaincy. Thats a bit worse than being subbed. I think you are hyping up his ability a bit. He is not in the same tier as gooch or steven o neill yet.
Quote from: Westside on February 26, 2012, 04:59:41 PM
Lar Naparka: Johnston didn't have a twitter account until December 2 months after being dropped, Mackey the same, Lyng doesn't have one and neither does Sheridan.
Fair enough; I was only passing along what my brother picked up in Belturbet. I happen to know a couple of the individuals he was talking to and I wouldn't question their sincerity.
Seanie and his mates may not have used Twitter but those lads would have belived the source they got the story from.
An old friend, my ex-postman, is a dedicated Cavan supporter. Whether it's right or wrong he swears he got the story from a reliable source in the county. When you add in a number of non-Cavan GAA followers who say they heard the same, you can take iit for granted that this account is doing the rounds.
I suppose where a story is newsworthy and facts are few, rumours will spread like wildfire and this case is no exception.
Richie has come up with a variation on this tale. (#551) where he says the criticism was posted on Hoganstand but the basics are the same: Val saw what was posted; took exception and fired the lads in question.
Somehow or other, while I don't doubt Richie's sincerity, I'd believe the Twitter account before that one.
However, the second point he made in that post does have a ring of truth about it—McGeeney made the initial approach or otherwise Seanie's actions make no sense at all.
(Not that they are making much sense as it is.)
Quote from: mylestheslasher on February 26, 2012, 09:07:17 PM
Lar - he told Tommy Carr to f**k off not Andrews. He told him that because he gave free taking to another player. He disrupted the whole preperation for a match because he wasnt taking the frees. Now given that Westside just told you that seanie had no Twitter account and the "f**k off"was not to Andrews would you like to review your post? Btw, seanie also walked out on donal keoghan the manager before Carr.
There is doubt about it, Seanie is one rare tulip!
I had thought from the general gist of the 'conversation' that it was a spat between himself and Andrews that was in question and the fact that Richiej sometimes abbreviates his words meant I didn't pick up his reference to 'Tc.'
( I think he was the first one to mention Johnston effing the manager out of it.
I think many a Cavan player and follower had plenty of reason to eff Carr out of it too but that's another matter.)
I'd say Seanie probably has had flare ups with every manager he worked with.
You seem to have had a bizarre run of flaky managers in recent times but that doesn't take from the fact that Seanie appears t be very temperamental.
IMO, it's just unfortunate for Cavan's sake that the two of them are on the scene at the same time.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 27, 2012, 01:58:01 AM
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Just so I'm clear here, what you are saying is that a person can be a member of two different clubs, have voting rights in both clubs and be registered as a player with both clubs. Is that correct?
What would happen if Seanie did his cruciate while illegally training with whatever club he's not registered with? How would he get to Cavan town each morning for work? Who would pick up the bill as he wouldn't be insured...
No, I CLEARLY said, you cant be a player with both clubs. It was so clear that I can only assume you are deliberately misinterpreting. My post was a nod of the head towards humility, in recognising what you had been saying. However, given that you cant interpret simple english, I'm afraid I have to return to antagonism and ask you wtf (as I already have) about the numerous lads training with clubs that arent their own. If as you say they are uncovered, isnt this a massive issue within the GAA which should be pursued? Surely they should all be banned, or sanctions placed on the clubs?
Jinxy, major difference, seanie johnson does the business, you obviously didnt/dont, or you'd never have been taken off :)
There's no 'me' in team.
There's a funny rule with hurling and football clubs. You can be a member of a hurling club and play football for another club but not vice versa. Or something like that. Completely different rule though.
Quote from: haranguerer on February 27, 2012, 01:58:01 AM
Quote from: heffo on February 26, 2012, 05:51:52 PM
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Just so I'm clear here, what you are saying is that a person can be a member of two different clubs, have voting rights in both clubs and be registered as a player with both clubs. Is that correct?
What would happen if Seanie did his cruciate while illegally training with whatever club he's not registered with? How would he get to Cavan town each morning for work? Who would pick up the bill as he wouldn't be insured...
No, I CLEARLY said, you cant be a player with both clubs. It was so clear that I can only assume you are deliberately misinterpreting. My post was a nod of the head towards humility, in recognising what you had been saying. However, given that you cant interpret simple english, I'm afraid I have to return to antagonism and ask you wtf (as I already have) about the numerous lads training with clubs that arent their own. If as you say they are uncovered, isnt this a massive issue within the GAA which should be pursued? Surely they should all be banned, or sanctions placed on the clubs?
Jinxy, major difference, seanie johnson does the business, you obviously didnt/dont, or you'd never have been taken off :)
Yes haranguerer, its strange that some lads don't understand what ur saying here. Loads of lads train with clubs not their own. Aside from the seany case ( which is totally crazy, and if he's training with his own club more than the odd time then it does make him look even more silly) , lots of lads would train with teams in dublin for example, and then head home to mayo, donegal, wherever and play for their club, which they are a member of.
As well as that, and more to the point: lads may have transferred away from their home club to move to a club in dublin full time to play. If the guy happens to be home for the weekend, he may decide to train with his old buddies. When i played football in england, i trained with my club when at home, of course i would not have been insured though.
Ah lads its the GAA!! It isn't too hard for Seanie to go back to Straffan and say "I done me cruciate training with the Gaels can you sort my form for me?
From my grasp of the situatiuon it would seem that he's a knob and Andrews is a knob and the whole situation is making Cavan a laughing stock! Is there nobody about who can take the bull by the horns and sort it out? It's a strong football county with a deep history and the whole affair is dragging their good name through the mud.
In fairness Screenexile Cavan have taken a firm stance that has not wavered. Andrews is the manager and can drop players and choose his team at his own discretion. They wish Seanie the best but will not rubber stamp a transfer that flies in the face of what the GAA is all about. Andrews has not got into a slagging match or given the press any comments about the saga at all. They have shown a united front and kept their own counsel. I would suggest Cavan County Board and Andrews have come out of this without any mud sticking - Apart from the obvious question of the wisdom of not asking the most talented forward in the county back into a newly formed squad.
Meanwhile McGeeny is poaching players, Kevin's are publicly welcoming a player that has not transferred and Johnston is showing his ego to the country.
When is the deadline for this transfer to be completed? Is it 01.03.12 or the end of March?
The CCCC have spoken.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=163614
Great, lock this thread and move the f*ck on.
He'll miss Straffan I'd say.
Wasn't getting his game with Kevin's either..
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 08, 2012, 12:16:07 PM
Great, lock this thread doors of your new house and move the f*ck on.
Is that a quote from the people of Straffan?
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Seán Brady hears the news.
Seánie's NEIGHbours celebrate the news.....
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"Right lads, no more questions about Seanie or I'm out of here."
Hope he doesn't lose his deposit on the gaff in Straffan.
Oh thats a pity, i was going to call into him for a cup of tea.
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"Right lads, no more questions about Seanie or I'm out of here."
Is it just me but doesn't that guy look like Martin O'Neill?
St Kevins chairman sticks his oar in.
Again.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/never-ending-story-kevins-expect-seanie-johnston-to-appeal-transfer-decision-377588-Mar2012/?utm_source=shortlink (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/never-ending-story-kevins-expect-seanie-johnston-to-appeal-transfer-decision-377588-Mar2012/?utm_source=shortlink)
What's with the photos of Seanie? I can't think of another footballer who strikes poses like that.
That's not a pose Hardy, it's solemn contemplation.
Antrim 2008: Johnston kisses wrist band after every score.
Fermanagh 2010: Johnston spends almost a minute and a half posing as he was (supposed to be) taking a free. Fixes jersey, pulls up socks, shuffles feet etc etc until finally referee takes the ball of him and calls for half time.
Seanie loves a bit of posing.
Shove what up Andrews nose? He doesn't want Johnston. He hasn't made a peep regarding the saga (Which surely he would if he was such an attention seeker?) So why would he care if Johnston tries to appeal this farce of a transfer request? Andrews will be focusing on the forwards he has chosen for the squad, not on what some player he has dropped is choosing to do with his spare time.
By the way Richie have you ever been a part of a football team? Because claiming Johnston should be forgiven for his poor attitude and included regardless would suggest that you have most certainly not.
I personally never want to see Johnston pull on the blue jersey again. He is in this game all for himself and I rather lose as a team than have the likes of him benefit. That being said, we all know his transfer is a joke and flies in the face of the ethos (and rules) of the GAA as he simply does not live in Kildare. So he can sit in his bedroom dreaming about being a county footballer and the good genuine footballers of Cavan can get on with the business of playing football.
btw - I also believe Andrews has handled this very well by pretty much refusing to comment on it. The only one running off to the media telling tales (half of them lies) is Mr Johnston.
Quote from: Richiej on March 10, 2012, 06:04:13 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 10, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
I personally never want to see Johnston pull on the blue jersey again. He is in this game all for himself and I rather lose as a team than have the likes of him benefit. That being said, we all know his transfer is a joke and flies in the face of the ethos (and rules) of the GAA as he simply does not live in Kildare. So he can sit in his bedroom dreaming about being a county footballer and the good genuine footballers of Cavan can get on with the business of playing football.
btw - I also believe Andrews has handled this very well by pretty much refusing to comment on it. The only one running off to the media telling tales (half of them lies) is Mr Johnston.
Andrews WILL have to explain his reasons to the clubs if he wants his 3rd year thats for sure.Because when this goes tits up this year clubs Will demand explainations about why players were dropped.
I would've thought that the last 42 pages would've made those reasons crystal clear.
Quote from: Richiej on March 10, 2012, 06:04:13 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 10, 2012, 05:56:28 PM
I personally never want to see Johnston pull on the blue jersey again. He is in this game all for himself and I rather lose as a team than have the likes of him benefit. That being said, we all know his transfer is a joke and flies in the face of the ethos (and rules) of the GAA as he simply does not live in Kildare. So he can sit in his bedroom dreaming about being a county footballer and the good genuine footballers of Cavan can get on with the business of playing football.
btw - I also believe Andrews has handled this very well by pretty much refusing to comment on it. The only one running off to the media telling tales (half of them lies) is Mr Johnston.
Myles i hope he never plays for Andrews again but as a gaels man i hope he doesnt leave the gaels as he will be a loss to them. Despite all his so called faults he does no where the posts are.
Andrews WILL have to explain his reasons to the clubs if he wants his 3rd year thats for sure.Because when this goes tits up this year clubs Will demand explainations about why players were dropped.
I couldn't care less if he plays for Cavan Gaels or not, they are not my club. I'll say this. Johnston went to the gaels looking for them to put up the cash to appeal croke parks initial refusal to allow him to transfer to Kildare without changing club. The gaels declined - i expect they have better things to spend 10k on. Johnston then, through his new adopted club, put in a transfer request without even informing Cavan Gaels - the action of a good clubman? Now you might say Cavan Gaels are behind the player since they sanctioned the transfer but thats not the whole story either. When the transfer request got to the Gaels, Cavan Co Board had already objected which meant it wasn't going to go ahead without an investigation anyway. The Gaels knew they could just agree to it and it wouldn't change anything. In light of all this, if Sean Johnston is the type of player you want around your club that's fine but I certainly wouldn't want him around the place.
Quote from: Richiej on March 10, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
I hope Seanie appeals his failed transfer request. If it's only just to shove it up Andrews nose it would be a good enough reason. Andrews the attention seeker who dropped 5/6 half decent forwards this year because some of them questioned his pathetic management. Johnston IS the best scoring forward in the county without a doubt. Whether he has an attitude problem or not he dies know where the posts are. And god knows who would blame him for having an attitude problem after some of the substandard co managers he has had the misfortune to have to listen to.
I would blame him.
Quote from: Richiej on March 10, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
As I said countless times Johnston knows where the post are. Off either foot and il tell you there not too many around Cavan can score like him. That's been proven since he been dropped. Andrews looked for attention by dropping him and others. Especially when he hasn't replaced them by anything better. We have been kicking 14 wife's in every game this year. Andrews hasn't the firepower to fix that problem.
Richie you are not addressing any of the other posts here just saying the same thing over and over. Do you honestly think that johnston can do whatever he likes just because "he knows where the posts are".
Quote from: Richiej on March 10, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
As I said countless times Johnston knows where the post are. Off either foot and il tell you there not too many around Cavan can score like him.... We have been kicking 14 wife's in every game this year. Andrews hasn't the firepower to fix that problem.
I agreed with Richie, this wife kicking has to stop and if we have to bring back Johnston to do it, so be it. Mna na hEireann, for one, will thank us.
Quote from: Richiej on March 10, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 10, 2012, 05:01:54 PM
Shove what up Andrews nose? He doesn't want Johnston. He hasn't made a peep regarding the saga (Which surely he would if he was such an attention seeker?) So why would he care if Johnston tries to appeal this farce of a transfer request? Andrews will be focusing on the forwards he has chosen for the squad, not on what some player he has dropped is choosing to do with his spare time.
By the way Richie have you ever been a part of a football team? Because claiming Johnston should be forgiven for his poor attitude and included regardless would suggest that you have most certainly not.
I noticed you commenting on every part of my post except the "best scoring forward in the county" bit. So does that mean we are in agreement that Seanie is the best scoring forward i the county???
Is it not a half decent managers job to be able to work with all sorts of personalities that have ability for the sake of the team??
If so was there a need to cast Seanie aside so quickly??
He's a brilliant corner forward on his day and if things are going well for him he can put on magical displays even at intercounty level. Nobody has ever denied this. But are you honestly so deluded that you believe talent is the only requirement to keep your place on a team?!
A good manager knows when a player needs a kick in the arse or an arm around the shoulder, a good manager knows how to manage personalities. Completely agree. However, a manager must also realise when a player needs to be gotten rid of for the greater good of the team. Andrews obviously felt this way and he is well entitled to drop Johnston or anyone else should he feel that need. He had dealt with Johnston for a year and presumably got a feel for the player and decided he didn't want him.
I am not convinced by Andrews and I don't think he will be with Cavan in the long term. However he is there now and he is acting in good faith for the best interests of the Cavan team so he would have my full support for dropping Johnston. Johnston's conduct after being dropped has justified the decision completely. A great Cavan player worth holding on to would not make an underhanded attempt to change counties simply to keep playing Intercounty. I would not want a player who would pull on another county's jersey to play for Cavan ever again. No matter whether he knows where the posts are or not. The GAA is about more than that.
Also Richie: If Andrews dropped 6 players looking for attention why did he then decide to keep completely silent on the issue even in the face of intense media focus? Surely if he was an attention seeker this would have been the perfect opportunity to get himself into the limelight? You're talking BS man..
http://www.balls.ie/2012/03/11/no-prizes-for-guessing-who-was-at-the-kildare-match-today/
Quote from: ExiledGael on March 11, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
http://www.balls.ie/2012/03/11/no-prizes-for-guessing-who-was-at-the-kildare-match-today/
Meanwhile real cavan men were down the road scoring 4-10 against tipp. Thats as close as seanie is ever going to get to playing with kildare.
Realistically even if Johnston got the transfer at this stage could he force his way onto the Kildare team for the Championship? Or is he looking at this long term and would be happy enough to get the transfer if he could play next year?
If McGeeney has any sense, he'll abandon the idea.
It would be too disruptive to bring him in now.
Quote from: ExiledGael on March 11, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
http://www.balls.ie/2012/03/11/no-prizes-for-guessing-who-was-at-the-kildare-match-today/
Looks like Brian Flanagan to his left.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 12, 2012, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on March 11, 2012, 08:11:21 PM
http://www.balls.ie/2012/03/11/no-prizes-for-guessing-who-was-at-the-kildare-match-today/
Looks like Brian Flanagan to his left.
I suppose it is not that far from Straffan so why wouldn't he!
I didn't know the Gardai were in the business of certifying where people live on a permanent basis. The less said about the banks the better. I still have a bank account open in my name at a Dublin address although I haven't lived there for 7 years. They refuse to change it to my real address until someday I am bothered enough to call into them with ID. Does this mean I can play with the Dubs in the meantime :)
Quote from: Westside on March 11, 2012, 11:56:10 PM
Realistically even if Johnston got the transfer at this stage could he force his way onto the Kildare team for the Championship? Or is he looking at this long term and would be happy enough to get the transfer if he could play next year?
No fear. As soon as McGeeney can get a flourbag to fit him, he will be in active contention for a place.
IMO, the whole saga would make no sense whatever if the initial move hadn't come from the Kildare county board. Seanie was headhunted.
With both Johnny Doyle and Dermot Earley rapidly approaching their sell by dates, McGeeney knows next year may well be too late to do the business.
I certainly agree Lar Naparka. McGeeney's comments in the paper make it quite clear that Kildare want Seanie Johnston and that even if it was McGeeney that made the first move, he clearly had the backing of the Kildare County Board or at least the Board officers. Seanie will be on the Kildare team if they can get the transfer through. He did not move to Straffan to sit on the bench wearing a No. 25 jersey. :) :) :)
What have the guards got to do with anything? ???
Paddy Heaney giving it a lash today.
Im getting more value out of richiej than Olly and that is saying something!
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
I think its time for County Boards who employ outside managers to pick their County Panels and say to the incoming Manager " here is our best 30 players who want to play county football, go manage them and get the best out of them"
We have an outside manager in Cavan who is suddenly an expert on players within the county after only attending the Club championship semis and Finals.
Outside managers should be given a list of players drawn up from within the county (by ppl constantly watching club football) and told to manage them and get the best out of them.............if they are able to
(http://i.imgur.com/qdgYU.gif)
I go away to England for one day and this endless farce is up and running again.
McGeeney has added enough fuel to keep it going for another few weeks at least. Can't believe he didn't have the sense to keep his trap shut and just let it die. The silence of the KCB is shameful. Who is actually running football in this county? High time that someone showed a bit of leadership and put an end to this before we become even more of a laughing stock.
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: hardstation on March 13, 2012, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
I think its time for County Boards who employ outside managers to pick their County Panels and say to the incoming Manager " here is our best 30 players who want to play county football, go manage them and get the best out of them"
We have an outside manager in Cavan who is suddenly an expert on players within the county after only attending the Club championship semis and Finals.
Outside managers should be given a list of players drawn up from within the county (by ppl constantly watching club football) and told to manage them and get the best out of them.............if they are able to
WTF? Ridiculous.
Well why should or how should a county managerlike Andrews who only goes to the odd club match be in a position to pick a county panel??
Andrews spent more time on RTE radio last summer commentating on the Dubs than he did watching the local club championship in Cavan.
Then he drops 3 players who played in latter stages of the Senior Club championship
and adds 2 players to the County panel who didnt even play club football with their club.
Ya couldnt even make it up if ya tried!!
He still has a number of players who were previously regarded as trouble makers on the squad. So its not a case that Andrews came in and dumped every player that had previous. He still has one player in his team who was seen going into a nightclub in Cavan Town on the thursday before an ulster championship game.
You know exactly why Johnson was dropped.
Kildare have a big pick of players. Loads of good young players as the posters from Kildare know.
And we all know Kildare doesn't need him. Dermot Earley played a match last week. thats bigger news for Kildare fans in my opinion.
Quote from: INDIANA on March 13, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: hardstation on March 13, 2012, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
I think its time for County Boards who employ outside managers to pick their County Panels and say to the incoming Manager " here is our best 30 players who want to play county football, go manage them and get the best out of them"
We have an outside manager in Cavan who is suddenly an expert on players within the county after only attending the Club championship semis and Finals.
Outside managers should be given a list of players drawn up from within the county (by ppl constantly watching club football) and told to manage them and get the best out of them.............if they are able to
WTF? Ridiculous.
Well why should or how should a county managerlike Andrews who only goes to the odd club match be in a position to pick a county panel??
Andrews spent more time on RTE radio last summer commentating on the Dubs than he did watching the local club championship in Cavan.
Then he drops 3 players who played in latter stages of the Senior Club championship
and adds 2 players to the County panel who didnt even play club football with their club.
Ya couldnt even make it up if ya tried!!
He still has a number of players who were previously regarded as trouble makers on the squad. So its not a case that Andrews came in and dumped every player that had previous. He still has one player in his team who was seen going into a nightclub in Cavan Town on the thursday before an ulster championship game.
You know exactly why Johnson was dropped.
Kildare have a big pick of players. Loads of good young players as the posters from Kildare know.
And we all know Kildare doesn't need him. Dermot Earley played a match last week. thats bigger news for Kildare fans in my opinion.
I didnt think any nightclubs were open in Cavan on a Thursday night during the summer.
Quote from: tommysmith on March 13, 2012, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on March 13, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: hardstation on March 13, 2012, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
I think its time for County Boards who employ outside managers to pick their County Panels and say to the incoming Manager " here is our best 30 players who want to play county football, go manage them and get the best out of them"
We have an outside manager in Cavan who is suddenly an expert on players within the county after only attending the Club championship semis and Finals.
Outside managers should be given a list of players drawn up from within the county (by ppl constantly watching club football) and told to manage them and get the best out of them.............if they are able to
WTF? Ridiculous.
Well why should or how should a county managerlike Andrews who only goes to the odd club match be in a position to pick a county panel??
Andrews spent more time on RTE radio last summer commentating on the Dubs than he did watching the local club championship in Cavan.
Then he drops 3 players who played in latter stages of the Senior Club championship
and adds 2 players to the County panel who didnt even play club football with their club.
Ya couldnt even make it up if ya tried!!
He still has a number of players who were previously regarded as trouble makers on the squad. So its not a case that Andrews came in and dumped every player that had previous. He still has one player in his team who was seen going into a nightclub in Cavan Town on the thursday before an ulster championship game.
You know exactly why Johnson was dropped.
Kildare have a big pick of players. Loads of good young players as the posters from Kildare know.
And we all know Kildare doesn't need him. Dermot Earley played a match last week. thats bigger news for Kildare fans in my opinion.
I didnt think any nightclubs were open in Cavan on a Thursday night during the summer.
During the boom? are you kidding me.
Tommy the Farnham which i presume is the nightclub that player was in as the Imperial doesn't open thursday nights has been open for thursday night for years... all year round, not that i ever head there as quite frankly its shite.
McGeeney obviously wants him bad.
Cavans results from last year in the league & champ
*edit* Roscommon 1-10, Cavan 2-20, johnston not playing
Offaly 1-12, Cavan 0-8 - Johnston 0-2, 1 free
Westmeath 0-12, Cavan 1-9 - johnston 1-3, 1 free
Limerick 2-14, Cavan 0-15 - Johnston 0-3, all frees
Wexford 1-14, Cavan 2-9 - johnston 0-1, free
Cavan 0-11, Louth 1-5 - johnston 0-1, on as a sub
Cavan 0-16, Tipperary 0-13 - johnston 0-9, 5 frees
Cavan 1-8, Donegal 2-14 - johnston 0-1, 1 free
Cavan 0-11, Longford 2-16 - johnston 0-3, 2 frees
Seanie Johnstons total for 2011 from play - 1-9
I think his brilliance may be a little over-stated on here. Sure Cavan scored 4-10 against Tipp this week without him.
Like it or not he's clearly an immediate upgrade in the forward line. A Seanie Johnston who's as fit and as focused as the current Kildare team will be a noticable improvement over the one playing in last year's league with a weaker team and a manager he didn't get on with. Removing politics the reason the person with the most intimate knowledge of the Kildare squad wants Johnston is because he feels they need help there. He's not wrong.
Sorry, I forgot 1 game from last year when cavan thumped Roscommon, added above. Johnston wasn't playing..
Richie - My mistake on Roscommon, thought it was last yr
When Cavan beat a team without Johnston you declare that team to be crap. When Johnston scores in the McKenna cup you declare it an achievement even though its no more than a glorified challenge game. Your worship of johnston seems to me seems greater than your support for the Cavan team and your anger at the current Cavan management gets greater every game that passes and with every improved performance. You are losing the plot so much on this you just declared that the county board should pick the panel - that is a lunatic of a statement and I defy you to tell me of any gaa, soccer or rugby team managed in that manner.
Johnston is gone, dropped and continues to make his pathetic attempts to declare for a county for which he has no connection to what so ever. How could any true Cavan man behave like this? You do know that John Joe O Reilly played with the army in the curragh but never switch county, in fact when he came back from the polo grounds he skipped the celebratorary parade in Cavan to play a club game in the curragh. That is a Cavan man. Johnston is making a total idiot out of himself, lying about where he lives and going watching a team he will never play for. Do you honestly think the GAA will let one player undermine the whole association and rules of the association? I don't know Johnston personally but I know he is the type of lad I would not let near any team I was in charge off. Seems Val Andrews, for all his faults, is in agreement with me on this and I suspect his right hand man Terry Hyland (the man who lead Cavan U21's to an AI final) also agrees. In the GAA circles I move in (ie not Cavan gaels) I have yet to meet one person that is sorry to see the back of him.
Seems to be a lot of negativity around this potential transfer for some reason. Cork won 2 All Irelands with two Kildaremen as their best players . I dont think anyone in Cork gave a sh1t. Kildare had 3 non-natives on panel who played in 98 AI Final, people didnt seem to mind that at the time. We are only talking about one player here and people seem to be hung up on fact that he wont sleep in a Kildare bed every night of his intercounty career. If hes training with McGeeney, he will be spending enough time in Kildare, 95% of his spare time , i would think. And he will probably move down anyway during summer .
Quote from: LilySavage on March 14, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
Seems to be a lot of negativity around this potential transfer for some reason. Cork won 2 All Irelands with two Kildaremen as their best players . I dont think anyone in Cork gave a sh1t. Kildare had 3 non-natives on panel who played in 98 AI Final, people didnt seem to mind that at the time. We are only talking about one player here and people seem to be hung up on fact that he wont sleep in a Kildare bed every night of his intercounty career. If hes training with McGeeney, he will be spending enough time in Kildare, 95% of his spare time , i would think. And he will probably move down anyway during summer .
All of the players you mentioned above had a justifiable reason for being in Cork & Kildare respectively though - the Johnson saga along with the approach to Supple and another high profile midfielder based in Kildare is another matter entirely.
Quote from: LilySavage on March 14, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
Seems to be a lot of negativity around this potential transfer for some reason. Cork won 2 All Irelands with two Kildaremen as their best players . I dont think anyone in Cork gave a sh1t. Kildare had 3 non-natives on panel who played in 98 AI Final, people didnt seem to mind that at the time. We are only talking about one player here and people seem to be hung up on fact that he wont sleep in a Kildare bed every night of his intercounty career. If hes training with McGeeney, he will be spending enough time in Kildare, 95% of his spare time , i would think. And he will probably move down anyway during summer .
Maybe the fact that he'll take the place of a Kildareman and that he's not even resident in the county is what gets most people?
Harking back to the loss of Tompkins and Fahy in the late 80s and gaining O'Dwyer, Murphy and Lacey in the mid 90s is pointless. That was then and this is now. While a lot of people were uneasy with the involvement of those three in the late nineties their eligibility and commitment could never be called into question. All three are still resident in the county and they all contributed to Kildare football even after their respective retirements - Karl with Grange, Lacey with Nurney and Murphy with Clane and the Kildare juniors. In Johnston's case, he cannot even convince the powers that be that he is resident in the county now never mind working here.
This has the potential to be quite divisive within the squad and the management should have had the good sense to drop it now before anymore damage is done. KCB should also have the balls to stand up to the management on this issue.
You think Karl O Dwyer just happened to get a teaching post in same county as his Dad was managing? Also whos to say that SJ wont refuse to be paid to train Kildare clubs when he finishes here either. I dont see much difference to be honest.
Quote from: LilySavage on March 14, 2012, 02:36:52 PM
You think Karl O Dwyer just happened to get a teaching post in same county as his Dad was managing? Also whos to say that SJ wont refuse to be paid to train Kildare clubs when he finishes here either. I dont see much difference to be honest.
He'll add nothing to your team in my opinion except strife, I can't believe why McGeeney is so keen. I also think if Kildare don't win something this year there is a chance McGeeney won't be there next year. Where will that leave Johnston??
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 14, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: LilySavage on March 14, 2012, 02:36:52 PM
You think Karl O Dwyer just happened to get a teaching post in same county as his Dad was managing? Also whos to say that SJ wont refuse to be paid to train Kildare clubs when he finishes here either. I dont see much difference to be honest.
He'll add nothing to your team in my opinion except strife, I can't believe why McGeeney is so keen. I also think if Kildare don't win something this year there is a chance McGeeney won't be there next year. Where will that leave Johnston??
He might leave lovely Straffan and move to another wee house somewhere convenient.
Richie, cavan v kildare in the backdoor this year. Johnston plays for kildare and andrews manages cavan. Honestly, who are you cheering for?
So Johnston realised faking the address wouldn't work so he actually has moved down for as long as it will take to get the transfer through? A pillar of integrity...
I always had a soft spot for Kildare and McGeeney but whether or not Johnston gets his transfer I sincerely hope they have no luck this year and that they get nowhere near a Leinster or All Ireland title.
How did a "so called push in the back" cost Kildare a Leinster title last year. If that free had not been given, the game with Dublin would have ended in a draw. How are you so sure that Kildare would have won the replay. Dublin were the better team in that match and were beating Kildare with 14 players until they were caught by a sucker punch of a goal. Neither Kildare not Johnston emerge from this charade with any credit, although in fairness to Kildare, a lot of their supporters do not like what McGeeney is trying to do.
Quote from: LilySavage on March 14, 2012, 02:36:52 PM
You think Karl O Dwyer just happened to get a teaching post in same county as his Dad was managing? Also whos to say that SJ wont refuse to be paid to train Kildare clubs when he finishes here either. I dont see much difference to be honest.
While I was always uneasy at Karl's involvement he was both living and working in the county and was thus eligible for selection. Johnston cannot satisfy Croke Park that he is living in the county and he is still employed in Cavan. He initially wanted to remain playing with Cavan Gaels while also playing for Kildare. Hardly suggests that he's fully committed to Kildare does it? When that was a non-runner the convenient move to Kevins became the plan of action. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and someone in the county board really needs to call a halt to it.
Quote from: Richiej on March 15, 2012, 12:16:41 AM
Quote from: Westside on March 14, 2012, 11:57:32 PM
I always had a soft spot for Kildare and McGeeney but whether or not Johnston gets his transfer I sincerely hope they have no luck this year and that they get nowhere near a Leinster or All Ireland title.
They could win a Lenister with or without Johnston. A so called push in the back cost them a Lenister title last year.
Johnston will get the transfer because he now playing it by the book which he wasnt doing earlier. So there no reason for it not to go through now.
McGeeney will use him as an impact sub this year and Johnston can be dangerous played that way as he showed with the Gaels last year.
Jesus you hear enough of this béal bocht crap from some Kildare fans without people from outside the county latching onto it. What cost us any chance was a combination of injuries and questionable team selection. Everyone bangs on about Kildare's lack of forwards yet we have one of the best scoring forwards in the country (twice the leading scorer in the championship) and we play him 70 yards from the opposition goal.
Agreed. Since it's impossible to enforce the spirit as well as the letter of the rule, you either have to accept technical compliance with the rule or tighten the rule. The rule as it stands allows people to move house to play for another entity, rather than facilitating playing for a new entity in the event of having to move house. You could toughen the qualification criteria - e.g. a minimum period of residence required, but I wouldn't be for that unless mercenary moving became widespread.
But you have to draw the line at lads taking the proverbial and pretending to live where they don't and for now we seem to be doing OK at that. (Though that Carlow lad who didn't know his address in Wicklow gave the rule the slip a few years ago. But you can live with the odd one.)
Quote from: Richiej on March 13, 2012, 10:12:49 AM
I think its time for County Boards who employ outside managers to pick their County Panels and say to the incoming Manager " here is our best 30 players who want to play county football, go manage them and get the best out of them"
We have an outside manager in Cavan who is suddenly an expert on players within the county after only attending the Club championship semis and Finals.
Outside managers should be given a list of players drawn up from within the county (by ppl constantly watching club football) and told to manage them and get the best out of them.............if they are able to
If they are picking the panel maybe they should pick the team too ::)
When will the DRA be sorted? Hopefully asap, reading about it in the papers every day is gone beyond boring.. Its amazing that it has 46 pages on this board, then again if was going to Dublin it would be 100.
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According to reports, #SeanieJohnston has failed to lodge appeal with #DRA thus ending his chances of playing with Kildare in 2012 #gaa
What would be the chances do you think that the Kildare county board or some associated group might be funding Mr Johnstons Kildare residence??? Just wondering!!!
Jinxy - whenever andrews is gone. The only prob for seanie is his replacement is likely to be terry hyland who was also part of this years setup so presumably was in favour of dropping him.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on March 26, 2012, 11:04:50 PM
Jinxy - whenever andrews is gone. The only prob for seanie is his replacement is likely to be terry hyland who was also part of this years setup so presumably was in favour of dropping him.
Then it is up to Sean J to prove (with the Gaels) that he is as good as Richie J says he is.
I heard he was at the Westmeath game last week aswell, and yet he didn't appeal the DRA. Don't think the sage is completely finished. Probaly be a done deal by the time Kildare play Offaly in the champinship ::)
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2012, 02:16:36 PM
I heard he was at the Westmeath game last week aswell, and yet he didn't appeal the DRA. Don't think the sage is completely finished. Probaly be a done deal by the time Kildare play Offaly in the champinship ::)
Unless they stick a Groucho Marx tache & glasses on him and play him, it's over.
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2012, 02:16:36 PM
I heard he was at the Westmeath game last week aswell, and yet he didn't appeal the DRA. Don't think the sage is completely finished. Probaly be a done deal by the time Kildare play Offaly in the champinship ::)
Unless they stick a Groucho Marx tache & glasses on him and play him, it's over.
Unfortunately not Heffo, seemingly this is sadly going to play on a bit longer
It's a pity that the same effort hasn't been made to try and persuade Kevin Feely to tog out for the senior footballers when available.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
It's a pity that the same effort hasn't been made to try and persuade Kevin Feely to tog out for the senior footballers when available.
What is the story there? I see he is playing regularly with Bohs, a paid gig. How do you compete with that?
QuoteI see he is playing regularly with Bohs, a paid gig
Depends on what you call paid Dinny - The Bowes are broke and not really paying anything substantial as in a couple of 20s a week I heard
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 30, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
It's a pity that the same effort hasn't been made to try and persuade Kevin Feely to tog out for the senior footballers when available.
What is the story there? I see he is playing regularly with Bohs, a paid gig. How do you compete with that?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Kildare/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160181 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Kildare/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160181)
He's still lining out for Athy and did for the u21s so he obviously wants to play football and clearly there's nothing in his Bohs contract that stops him from playing. If he just wants to stick solely to the soccer in the hope of maybe getting something in England then good luck to the lad and you wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity but I think he'd be a serious addition to Kildare and everything should have been done to get him on board. I'm sure he could have been accomodated as regards training. Hopefully we'll see him in the years to come because it would be a shame to lose both him and Paul Cribbin.
Quote from: Declan on March 30, 2012, 04:11:45 PM
QuoteI see he is playing regularly with Bohs, a paid gig
Depends on what you call paid Dinny - The Bowes are broke and not really paying anything substantial as in a couple of 20s a week I heard
Serious? Are they that broke? As far as I know he's on a soccer scholarship to DCU, open to correction. Maybe who pays the piper is calling the tune..
QuoteSerious? Are they that broke?
Yep - completely fecked by all accounts
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2012, 04:22:36 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 30, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on March 30, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
It's a pity that the same effort hasn't been made to try and persuade Kevin Feely to tog out for the senior footballers when available.
What is the story there? I see he is playing regularly with Bohs, a paid gig. How do you compete with that?
http://www.hoganstand.com/Kildare/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160181 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Kildare/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=160181)
He's still lining out for Athy and did for the u21s so he obviously wants to play football and clearly there's nothing in his Bohs contract that stops him from playing. If he just wants to stick solely to the soccer in the hope of maybe getting something in England then good luck to the lad and you wouldn't begrudge him the opportunity but I think he'd be a serious addition to Kildare and everything should have been done to get him on board. I'm sure he could have been accomodated as regards training. Hopefully we'll see him in the years to come because it would be a shame to lose both him and Paul Cribbin.
Yea but McGeeney's demands me it would be it would be either football or soccer. Agree he would be an awful loss.
Quote from: Declan on March 30, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
QuoteSerious? Are they that broke?
Yep - completely fecked by all accounts
I suppose not been a LOI fan I didn't realise it was that bad, failed move to stadium I assume.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on March 30, 2012, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 30, 2012, 04:11:45 PM
QuoteI see he is playing regularly with Bohs, a paid gig
Depends on what you call paid Dinny - The Bowes are broke and not really paying anything substantial as in a couple of 20s a week I heard
Serious? Are they that broke? As far as I know he's on a soccer scholarship to DCU, open to correction. Maybe who pays the piper is calling the tune..
He is yeah. They have some sort of linkup with Bohs. I think he has only got one more year to go on the scholarship now though but I wouldn't be certain. He was togging out for DCU's hurlers as well.
Quotefailed move to stadium I assume.
Yes and had borrowed against the promised monies that never materialised. Budget went from something like 2.5m a year on salaries to less than 200K - Lucky to be still in existence
Bohemians have practically an entire different squad from last season, they couldn't afford to hold on there players, Although 4 or 5 other clubs would be similar in LOI. Feely would probaly be better off sticking with Kildare as he wouldn't be earning a decent wage anytime soon unless he with Derry, Sligo or Shamrock Rovers. The failure to sale Dalymount was a big loss
Quote from: heffo on March 30, 2012, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 30, 2012, 02:16:36 PM
I heard he was at the Westmeath game last week aswell, and yet he didn't appeal the DRA. Don't think the sage is completely finished. Probaly be a done deal by the time Kildare play Offaly in the champinship ::)
Unless they stick a Groucho Marx tache & glasses on him and play him, it's over.
Don't be giving them ideas.
http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-podcasting/sport-podcasts/exclusive-seanie-johnston-on-that-transfer.html (http://www.kfmradio.com/kfm-podcasting/sport-podcasts/exclusive-seanie-johnston-on-that-transfer.html)
???
This thread will reach the hundred pages mark yet.
http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=165920 (http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=165920)
"Obviously I would love to see him playing for Kildare because he's a quality player and I would welcome him with open arms. Hopefully his transfer will go ahead now.
"But he knows himself he would have to work very hard to get into this Kildare team because we have a strong panel and there's a lot of competition for places.
"But he'd be a massive addition to us and hopefully he will get his transfer approved. He's still only 27 or 28 and he has a lot of years left playing football, so we'd be delighted to have him."
You know at this stage Cavan co board should just sign the bloody papers and let this traitorous mercenary f**k off to Kildare. We've got good dedicated young lads from last yrs u21's and minors and this years U21's that know what it means to be a Cavan man and have tremendous pride in the jersey. These lads are the future, Johnston is a sad reminder of the past and everything that was wrong with it. If Kildare are stupid enough to bring him into their panel then so be it. I for one don't wish him any success in his transfer, in fact I hope some young lad who deserves his shot gets on that Kildare team instead of him. Seanie Johnstons legacy is one of being a self obsessed traitor and thats clear to anyone with eyes in their heads.
I'm pretty sure the move will go through this time, i can't see the County board making any objections so it should be a formality. He has evidence as he said on the radio show of toll receipts etc commuting from Kildare to Cavan. Best of luck to him i wouldn't be totally in favour of it but there is no point holding a grudge. He is willing to work hard to get on the Kildare panel, he clearly wasn't going to play with Cavan any time soon, so he is entiled to show some ambition he will be finished in 5 ot 6 years so the chance arose and he went for it. Albeit not in great circumstances.
The best part of the interview is when he's asked "Why did you choose Kildare?" and he talks about admiring McGeeney and having friends from Kildare. Surely his answer should have been "Because I live in Kildare" This is an engineered transfer going against the ethos of the GAA. It should be denied to uphold the rules of the GAA as a whole and not because he can show the bare minimum of compliance.
If it does go through I wish himself and Kildare nothing but numerous defeats.
But sure he wasn't living in Kildare when the move first initially came about , as he teaches and lived in Cavan at the time,so he could hardly have said he was living in Kildare. If had been living in Kildare from the start the move would be gone through ages ago. Not sticking up for Johnston that is the facts.
"He wasn't living in Kildare when the move first initially came about" There should be no notion of a move coming about as long as he lives in Cavan!! My point is that he's openly admitting that his transfer is against the whole ethos of the GAA. You either play for the county where you are from, where your parents are from, or where you are in residence. He's openly admitting a transfer that he engineered completely based on meeting minimum requirements for the 3rd category.
In Fairness Cavan took in Rory Gallagher when he was suppose to be living in Kilnaleck when he wasn't. ( not that i'm saying johnston isn't living in kildare) He jumped ship from Fermanagh and we took him, he would later play for Fermanagh again to add to the irony. He played about 5 games with Crosserlough and left them as soon as Cavan exited the champinship and in time for the club champinship with St Brigids.
Cavan and Gallagher were wrong then. And Kildare and Johnston are equally as wrong now.
Myles he must have given u some roasting in a league game one day or dragged u down making it look like u were holding him ;D is that why u hate him so much. Mercenary? So he is getting paid for this your fully sure of that? Ah I suppose ur rite playing with Cavan from 15 to 27 sure der us nothing else to do in life, it's no comitment at all, did u give up much time to push yourself to make yourself better to play At the highest level you could?
Quote from: sams the aim on April 05, 2012, 11:26:55 PM
Myles he must have given u some roasting in a league game one day or dragged u down making it look like u were holding him ;D is that why u hate him so much. Mercenary? So he is getting paid for this your fully sure of that? Ah I suppose ur rite playing with Cavan from 15 to 27 sure der us nothing else to do in life, it's no comitment at all, did u give up much time to push yourself to make yourself better to play At the highest level you could?
Never played against him, never spoke to him and don't know him. What I do know is the negative body language, the lack of work rate, the shouting at refs and his own players when he isn't performing. The overstated injuries and the love of the media two of his other flaws. I've known guys on the county panel that would tell you the type of influence he is in there. I don't know if he is getting paid in monetary terms, maybe he gets fuel for his big journey to work every day or maybe he gets his rent looked after. The "pay" I'm talking about, in terms of my mercenary comment, if the lure of success with Kildare. Kildare offer him the hope of success and thats what makes him a mercenary. Its not that he just wants to be a county footballer, if it was he could go Longford, Leitrim, Westmeath, Fermanagh, Monaghan - neighbouring counties much closer to his work. However, he admitted himself that he "picked" Kildare. Thats what makes him a mercenary in my book. My own ability as a player is irrelevant, I was nowhere near county standard but I was committed and did my best. If I had Johnsons ability I would have used it in a positive way to bust my hole for Cavan because I love Cavan and I would never quit on them like he just did. I hope the gaels also prosper without him too, all the time they put into him and this is how he repays them. I really hope they go on and win a 1st Ulster club and I bet they will soon.
There is no guarantee he will walk onto the kildare team he will have to prove himself, he would know that himself. And if he does break into the team fair play, he will do well with quality players around him like Early and Mikey Conway. Cavan have some excellent young players coming through so we will survive without Johnston. I think a few on here should build a bridge and get over it, we have known about the possibility of Johnston leaving since November let him do what he wants he is no longer a Cavan player. My last post on this thread.
Quote from: Westside on April 05, 2012, 09:40:35 PM
The best part of the interview is when he's asked "Why did you choose Kildare?" and he talks about admiring McGeeney and having friends from Kildare. Surely his answer should have been "Because I live in Kildare" This is an engineered transfer going against the ethos of the GAA. It should be denied to uphold the rules of the GAA as a whole and not because he can show the bare minimum of compliance.
If it does go through I wish himself and Kildare nothing but numerous defeats.
Thats a bit sad now isn't it. I'm sure McGeeney et al will be gutted to hear it. ::)
Quote from: Declan on March 30, 2012, 04:26:38 PM
QuoteSerious? Are they that broke?
Yep - completely fecked by all accounts
of course they are. Have a look at their accounts, at the bottom of the spreadsheet, it says "Pat was here"
Oh so myles u are making judgements on someone's character over a football decision, make sense? So ur saying u have to be very talented to play county football, didn't think mr bellew or both mc nultys were that talented they still played
County football, what you are really saying is you didn't want to play county football enough and were not willing to make the same sacrifices that county footballers throughout the country make and you are one of these people who come out and say if I had their chance I would do x y and z but really you didn't work hard enough at your game or were not willing to.
Quote from: sams the aim on April 06, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Oh so myles u are making judgements on someone's character over a football decision, make sense? So ur saying u have to be very talented to play county football, didn't think mr bellew or both mc nultys were that talented they still played
County football, what you are really saying is you didn't want to play county football enough and were not willing to make the same sacrifices that county footballers throughout the country make and you are one of these people who come out and say if I had their chance I would do x y and z but really you didn't work hard enough at your game or were not willing to.
Cop on to yourself.
Quote from: sams the aim on April 06, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Oh so myles u are making judgements on someone's character over a football decision, make sense? So ur saying u have to be very talented to play county football, didn't think mr bellew or both mc nultys were that talented they still played
County football, what you are really saying is you didn't want to play county football enough and were not willing to make the same sacrifices that county footballers throughout the country make and you are one of these people who come out and say if I had their chance I would do x y and z but really you didn't work hard enough at your game or were not willing to.
I'd try and reply to you only I have no f**king idea what you are talking about. Pay more attention at school will ya!
Some collection of oddballs supporting Seanie in this thread.
Can I just point out that in their last four league games, Kildare have scored 7-69, equating to 22.5 points a game?
It looks to me as is their attacking system is working well and that they don't necessarily need to be bringing in a guy like Johnston, who would possibly require a rework of their tactics to suit him. Or to put it another way, my personal view as a bookie is that if Kildare bring this guy in, I see them as a lot less likely to win an AI, not more.
If kildare dont make a breakthrough this year then it is likely mcgeeney will walk. What will seanie do then?
I dunno, but he'll probably pose for a photograph anyway.
True, his agent Martin Brehony will probably write a soul searching piece in the indo making the case for him to transfer to Dr Crokes and lead the Kerry County team to all ireland glory.
Quote from: Hardy on April 07, 2012, 10:42:55 AM
I dunno, but he'll probably pose for a photograph anyway.
Staring off into the distance....
A photo in which he looks moody and troubled....
He just wants to play football.....
I hear Seanie is using these as part of his case:
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(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/01008/sean_1008412t.jpg)
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(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/7a/25/42/024e8fbe2b0eefa4e1219d3399ba5d2c0bd050f412/INPHO_00519192.jpg)
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It's great craic altogether that a teacher from Cavan town has got under so many peoples' noses. Bad school memories? ;)
Quote from: Syferus on April 08, 2012, 05:01:49 AM
It's great craic altogether that a teacher from Cavan town has got under so many peoples' noses. Bad school memories? ;)
Got under their noses?
Do you not mean got up their skin?
Obviously not too many teachers affected you? :D
Quote from: Sidney on April 08, 2012, 02:45:20 AM
I hear Seanie is using these as part of his case:
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(http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/01008/sean_1008412t.jpg)
(http://img.rasset.ie/00057a6f-642.jpg)
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/7a/25/42/024e8fbe2b0eefa4e1219d3399ba5d2c0bd050f412/INPHO_00519192.jpg)
(http://s1.jrnl.ie/media/2012/02/inpho_00519196-230x150.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_84aFdAuv8s0/TH6hsRf3IDI/AAAAAAAAADA/XncpRUJm4dw/s400/zoolander.jpg)
(http://parishofsport.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/cmo.jpg)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/northern-ireland/17679547?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Agreed. But...
I wouldn't wish andrews on the neighbouring parish
Heard it was called by the management so players could air their views.
Hoping to be surprised by their maturity.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 11, 2012, 10:09:42 PM
Heard it was called by the management so players could air their views.
Hoping to be surprised by their maturity.
Apparently I was wrong.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/default.stm
Cavan football is hit by a players revolt with most of the county squad understood to have called for the exit of manager Val Andrews. 33to 3 was the vote I hear.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 11, 2012, 10:09:42 PM
Heard it was called by the management so players could air their views.
Hoping to be surprised by their maturity.
You'd have to question the management's judgement if that is the case.
This must be a big relief for Seanie.
He can play for Cavan again!
Yay!
Heard Andrews walked last night - has it been officially confirmed?
If 33 votes to 3 is accurate then doesn't look like he had any choice. I've heard nothing yet to say he walked. We've been here before and it leaves a bad taste. I think it was a bad move although I have not found andrews to be making much headway.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 12, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
If 33 votes to 3 is accurate then doesn't look like he had any choice. I've heard nothing yet to say he walked. We've been here before and it leaves a bad taste. I think it was a bad move although I have not found andrews to be making much headway.
36 attended and that wasn't the full panel? I'd hate to see the training bill!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 12, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
If 33 votes to 3 is accurate then doesn't look like he had any choice. I've heard nothing yet to say he walked. We've been here before and it leaves a bad taste. I think it was a bad move although I have not found andrews to be making much headway.
Maybe one of the selectors will take over. Terry will be busy with the U21s so that leaves Stephen to take up the reins?
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2012, 09:55:31 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 12, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
If 33 votes to 3 is accurate then doesn't look like he had any choice. I've heard nothing yet to say he walked. We've been here before and it leaves a bad taste. I think it was a bad move although I have not found andrews to be making much headway.
Maybe one of the selectors will take over. Terry will be busy with the U21s so that leaves Stephen to take up the reins?
That would be one way to punish the players for their actions!
Revolting players in Cavan? What's new?
Which one of the players would like to take over?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 12, 2012, 12:09:51 AM
This must be a big relief for Seanie.
He can play for Cavan again!
Yay!
That will be big mileage for him, coming up from Straffen 3-4 times a week ::)
Leave Cavan town for Straffan at 4pm.
Back in Cavan for 7pm training, home in Straffan by 11pm.
It'll be tight, but all he wants to do is play football so I'm sure he'll figure something out.
Rumour has it he had to stop off for a meeting on his way home to Kildare as well.
Taut u were not commenting on him again myles ;)
Quote from: sams the aim on April 12, 2012, 02:39:58 PM
Taut u were not commenting on him again myles ;)
Just reading your posts from your profile here sams the aim.. You seem to be particularly interested in the subject of Sean Johnston, in fact every single one of your 31 posts over the 3 years you've contributed refer to him, insight into his mindset and injuries.
It's almost as if.......
Quote from: Westside on April 12, 2012, 02:57:58 PM
Quote from: sams the aim on April 12, 2012, 02:39:58 PM
Taut u were not commenting on him again myles ;)
Just reading your posts from your profile here sams the aim.. You seem to be particularly interested in the subject of Sean Johnston, in fact every single one of your 31 posts over the 3 years you've contributed refer to him, insight into his mindset and injuries.
It's almost as if.......
:) well spotted westside, some interestin reading through them posts lol
wouldnt like to be caught calling mccabe lazy.......(among other stuff)... :)
Sam might be the aim - but does it matter with which county?
He's gone...
http://www.anglocelt.ie/news/roundup/articles/2012/04/12/4010004-andrews-resigns-as-cavan-manaer/
Andrews resigns as Cavan manager
Val Andrews has resigned as manager of the Cavan senior football team with immediate effect, The Anglo-Celt can reveal.
Andrews stepped down this morning and, the Celt understands, moves are already afoot to appoint a new management team.
County board chairman Tom Reilly paid tribute to Andrews for his contribution over the past 18 months and for "his courageous decision to step aside for the good of Cavan football".
Reilly denied that the players took a vote on the manager at their meeting in Virginia on Tuesday night.
All parties were keen to avoid a drawn out situation, said Reilly.
"We have to be fair to Val, if he had prolonged this and took a stand, it would have made it very difficult for the board to take sides," he said.
Reilly thanked Andrews for making what he termed "a brave decision for the good of Cavan football and not for any individuals".
It had been reported that the players voted 33-3 in favour of asking Andrews to step down as manager. However, a source has stated that only 26 players were in attendance at the meeting.
A new management team is expected to be in place soon, with the county management committee set to discuss the issue tonight.
A statement from the county board said:
"Following Cavan's exit from the Allianz National football league the senior inter county panel informed the management and board that it was their wish to have a players meeting to analyse their own personal performances from said campaign. The players had the blessing of both management and board to have this meeting.
"A number of issues arose from the meeting and following a discussion with Val Andrews he has decided to tender his resignation as Cavan Senior team manager with immediate effect.
"This decision is yet another example of the genuine interest and love Val Andrews has for Cavan football. Val feels that for the over all well being of the team which he worked selflessly with, a speedy decision is necessary to afford Cavan County board every opportunity to make alternative arrangements for the up coming Ulster Senior football championship and in doing so he wishes the best for Cavan football.
"The Chairman and Officers of Cavan County Board who enjoyed a close relationship with Val would like to express our gratitude to him for his efforts in our County, and wish him and his Family health and good luck in the future."
This puts Seanie in a right pickle.
Surely there's no need to go through with the transfer now.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 12, 2012, 05:55:36 PM
This puts Seanie in a right pickle.
Surely there's no need to go through with the transfer now.
Hopefully
Well if he persists with it, it just goes to show that it was never for the reasons he stated.
Ok ok I'm him ;)Just admired his play from far away is all and saying it as I see it lads, and against v personal vendettas, what about new managers? Forde? Mc cabe?
What do you think Seanie should do now Sam?
I presume he's welcome to rejoin the squad.
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Seánie can't comment at present because he's busy practising normal, everyday, looking-at-the-camera photographs.
What?
Quote from: sams the aim on April 12, 2012, 06:11:03 PM
Ok ok I'm him ;)Just admired his play from far away is all and saying it as I see it lads, and against v personal vendettas, what about new managers? Forde? Mc cabe?
Far away!!!
Anyone who takes the trouble read your barely literate posts will see you're not so far away.
Anyway, new manager or not, Mr Johnson should be left where he is.
Who will this Seanie fella replace in the starting Kildare forwards?????????????????
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 12, 2012, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: sams the aim on April 12, 2012, 06:11:03 PM
Ok ok I'm him ;)Just admired his play from far away is all and saying it as I see it lads, and against v personal vendettas, what about new managers? Forde? Mc cabe?
Far away!!!
Anyone who takes the trouble read your barely literate posts will see you're not so far away.
Anyway, new manager or not, Mr Johnson should be left where he is.
But the question is where is he, Cavan/ Kildare. And if Tryone win the league final will he relocate himself to there.
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 12, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Who will this Seanie fella replace in the starting Kildare forwards?????????????????
The big question is who he'd replace if he goes back to Cavan?
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2012, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 12, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Who will this Seanie fella replace in the starting Kildare forwards?????????????????
The big question is who he'd replace if he goes back to Cavan?
Any one of six it wouldnt be rocket science.
Quote from: sams the aim on April 12, 2012, 06:11:03 PM
Ok ok I'm him ;)Just admired his play from far away is all and saying it as I see it lads, and against v personal vendettas, what about new managers? Forde? Mc cabe?
So are you going to go back to Cavan now that Andrews is gone?
I've read your post history too Seanie ;)
Posted this on January 18th and thankfully Andrews has gone and Seanie will return. At least Andrews knew when he wasn't wanted and went unlike a manager in the neighbouring County.
"I back Seanie 100% on this. An outside manager (maybe paid) has come into Cavan and excluded a proven young Cavan county player from representing his county. This is wrong and GAA rules should allow this young man to ply his trade where he is working or living , even with out changing clubs.
If it is challenged in the DRA, he might just win it.
I can think of a few other examples where this has happened--Roscommon--Frankie Dolan, Cavan --Dermot Mc Cabe are just a few"
Do Cavan people not realise what a bright future they may have in front of them, best youth set up in the last few years etc, to let a man who has been portrayed as totally self motivated ego driven Clift among them, could jeopardise the whole thing.
Quote from: samwin08 on April 12, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Posted this on January 18th and thankfully Andrews has gone and Seanie will return. At least Andrews knew when he wasn't wanted and went unlike a manager in the neighbouring County.
"I back Seanie 100% on this. An outside manager (maybe paid) has come into Cavan and excluded a proven young Cavan county player from representing his county. This is wrong and GAA rules should allow this young man to ply his trade where he is working or living , even with out changing clubs.
If it is challenged in the DRA, he might just win it.
I can think of a few other examples where this has happened--Roscommon--Frankie Dolan, Cavan --Dermot Mc Cabe are just a few"
It was rubbish when you wrote it in january and its still rubbish. It started bad and got worse, finishing up with the last line that makes no sense.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 12, 2012, 11:25:57 PM
Quote from: samwin08 on April 12, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
Posted this on January 18th and thankfully Andrews has gone and Seanie will return. At least Andrews knew when he wasn't wanted and went unlike a manager in the neighbouring County.
"I back Seanie 100% on this. An outside manager (maybe paid) has come into Cavan and excluded a proven young Cavan county player from representing his county. This is wrong and GAA rules should allow this young man to ply his trade where he is working or living , even with out changing clubs.
If it is challenged in the DRA, he might just win it.
I can think of a few other examples where this has happened--Roscommon--Frankie Dolan, Cavan --Dermot Mc Cabe are just a few"
It was rubbish when you wrote it in january and its still rubbish. It started bad and got worse, finishing up with the last line that makes no sense.
i believe the last line is a quote from you which may have been pasted in by mistake.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2012, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 12, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Who will this Seanie fella replace in the starting Kildare forwards?????????????????
The big question is who he'd replace if he goes back to Cavan?
Is that a serious question?
Quote from: Hardy on April 12, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
(http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu206/Hardyarse/seanie1.png)
Seánie can't comment at present because he's busy practising normal, everyday, looking-at-the-camera photographs.
What?
He's not happy with the fella that kicked that ball.
Quote from: Maguire01 on April 13, 2012, 05:21:44 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 12, 2012, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on April 12, 2012, 07:40:23 PM
Who will this Seanie fella replace in the starting Kildare forwards?????????????????
The big question is who he'd replace if he goes back to Cavan?
Is that a serious question?
It probably is coming from him.
Whats the difference in the situation with Johnson and Enda Williams?
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 23, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
Whats the difference in the situation with Johnson and Enda Williams?
Lower profile player and co. Sin e
What do people make of this?
Seems very odd to me.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/615625/ (http://www.sportsfile.com/id/615625/)
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 05:18:46 PM
What do people make of this?
Seems very odd to me.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/615625/ (http://www.sportsfile.com/id/615625/)
No real surprise here given the carry on all year.
I'd say it's quite deliberate now. He hasn't gone away you know.
Does he get a Division 2 medal?
little upstart will be put to the sword by the bould seamus kenny or ger brennan methinks ;)
Has Terry Hyland said anything in the media about the possibility of him returning?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
Does he get a Division 2 medal?
He looks to be part of the panel so why not ?.
Plus he's got 53 pages on this thread so far dedicated to him so he'd need to get something for his efforts.
That's taking the piss.
Are the Kildare county board paying his mileage if he's training with them?
Given our financial woes it can't do Kildare any harm to have a typically frugal Cavanman around the panel.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 07:17:57 PM
Are the Kildare county board paying his mileage if he's training with them?
His didn't 'move' for his health.
His image rights pay his bills.
Can this fool possibly make any bigger clown of himself?
I'll be honest Myles, I'd consider this type of behaviour extremely disrespectul to Cavan GAA people.
He knew full well someone would get a picture of him sitting amongst the subs and it didn't bother him in the slightest.
If he can't play, what was he doing in there?
Jinxy, I called Johnston's attitude on here years ago and some posters from cavan criticised me. Same said posters have now retired instead of manning up and admitting I was right all along. All seanie cares about is seanie and nothing else. He is an embarrassment and should never ever be given a cavan jersey again.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
I'll be honest Myles, I'd consider this type of behaviour extremely disrespectul to Cavan GAA people.
He knew full well someone would get a picture of him sitting amongst the subs and it didn't bother him in the slightest.
If he can't play, what was he doing in there?
Thats just stupid. If he is involved with the panel, travelled to the game with them, was about during the prematch etc, whats he gonna do, at sme point say right lads, I'm away, and go and pay in and sit on his own?
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Stop sounding so innocent.. Obviously he hasn't played for Kildare yet as he is still waiting for the transfer to go through.. He has been involved with the panel the last few months, if Croke Park weren't stuck in the 1940's they would grant the transfer long ago not letting it go into may. I said before i wouldn't comment on this thread put i had too after reading that bull
Rodney you dipstick.
Jinxie you Simpleton!" ;D
Did he go on hols with the team
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Are funds from the thousandaire club going to pay for any injuries he may incur training illegally with the Kildare Development panel? The GAA insurance sure as he'll won't
Kildare development squad training ?
He definitely hasn't gone away you know !
Quote from: heffo on April 29, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Are funds from the thousandaire club going to pay for any injuries he may incur training illegally with the Kildare Development panel? The GAA insurance sure as he'll won't
;D
'Insurance' - was there ever a more effective bogeyman? Brought into any gaa related argument as the 'nuclear' option, as noone actually has a f**king clue what the terms around it are.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 30, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
Quote from: heffo on April 29, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Are funds from the thousandaire club going to pay for any injuries he may incur training illegally with the Kildare Development panel? The GAA insurance sure as he'll won't
;D
'Insurance' - was there ever a more effective bogeyman? Brought into any gaa related argument as the 'nuclear' option, as noone actually has a f**king clue what the terms around it are.
I've a clear understanding of what the terms are. It's very straightforward.
Help me out then, for I dont - if you're a member of a gaa club, what are you covered for, and what are you not covered for?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 29, 2012, 09:51:25 PM
Jinxy, I called Johnston's attitude on here years ago and some posters from cavan criticised me. Same said posters have now retired instead of manning up and admitting I was right all along. All seanie cares about is seanie and nothing else. He is an embarrassment and should never ever be given a cavan jersey again.
Holy jaysus and ya give out about Sean's ego!!! ;D ;D
Why don,t they just give the man his transfer.What are the GAA trying to prove by delaying it.Thats what,s wrong with the GAA ,officals that have nothing better to do than try and block a man playing that was surplus to requirements in Cavan and go and better himself with playing for a better team.Its amateur after all.The quicker players can transfer or play for whatever team they wish the better.He is going to get enentually
Where would you start? :(
Quote from: Celt_Man on April 30, 2012, 05:17:55 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 29, 2012, 09:51:25 PM
Jinxy, I called Johnston's attitude on here years ago and some posters from cavan criticised me. Same said posters have now retired instead of manning up and admitting I was right all along. All seanie cares about is seanie and nothing else. He is an embarrassment and should never ever be given a cavan jersey again.
Holy jaysus and ya give out about Sean's ego!!! ;D ;D
Go on don't be a shite and tell us what you think yourself. ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Are Kildare fans not embarrassed by this? Sends a great message out to some of their younger players.
Seanie
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/615758/
Cavan Legends...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Joe_O'Reilly_(Gaelic_footballer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Higgins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gallagher_(Gaelic_footballer)
Is anyone sorry to see him go?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 30, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Are Kildare fans not embarrassed by this? Sends a great message out to some of their younger players.
Totally agree. Plenty of good young players in the county like Dowling and Feely while Fogarty showed yesterday that he's more than capable of holding his own at this level.
Have said before what I think of Johnston and his proposed move but that photo of him celebrating with the Kildare players is an embarrassment. McGeeneys behaviour re Johnston is a disgrace.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 23, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
Whats the difference in the situation with Johnson and Enda Williams?
Anyone?
Quote from: INDIANA on April 30, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 29, 2012, 10:06:51 PM
Why is he involved with the panel?
He doesn't play for Kildare.
Are Kildare fans not embarrassed by this? Sends a great message out to some of their younger players.
They'd be better off if they had a bit of faith in their own young lads like Fogarty.
Have to admit I had to google to find out who Enda Williams was. Williams born in Leitrim but appears as if he left when he was not getting a game. Can any Longford poster shed any more light.
Quote from: haranguerer on April 30, 2012, 10:20:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 23, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
Whats the difference in the situation with Johnson and Enda Williams?
Anyone?
From the Leitrim Observer
http://www.leitrimobserver.ie/sport/gaelic-games/leitrim-boost-with-williams-switch-1-3681577
Williams, who withdrew from the Longford panel last week, can transfer to Leitrim under the parentage rule but he is not expecting to line out with the Green & Gold next Sunday in Aughrim against Wicklow in a crunch Allianz NFL Division 4 encounter
From Shannonside website
http://www.shannonside.ie/sports-details.php?nid=1077
The Leitrim senior football team have received a major boost for the reminder of their Allianz league involementm and the upcoming Connacht and All Ireland championship campaigns.
The former Longford centre half back Enda Williams, who last week withdrew from the Longford Senior panel is expected to join up with the Leitrim squad early next week.
Williams,
who was born in Leitrim, can transfer back to his native county under the parentage rule. Speaking on the Shannonside local sports news this morning Leitrim joint manager Brian Breen confirmed the news and welcomed William's involvement with the Leitrim squad.
Enda Williams was a regular on the Longford team for a number of years but has failed to command a regular starting place on Glen Ryan's team in recent times after suffering an injury setback last season. Longford have now secured back to back promotions and will operate in Division 2 of the Allianz Football League next season. Brian Breen explained to Shannonside Sport that Williams still feels he has loads to offer at the highest level and the only county he considered playing with after leaving the Longford panel was Leitrim.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 30, 2012, 11:31:07 PM
Have to admit I had to google to find out who Enda Williams was. Williams born in Leitrim but appears as if he left when he was not getting a game. Can any Longford poster shed any more light.
What it says on the tin. Williams was the captain of the 2002 minors and was cheesed-off that he wasn't getting his game. Only immediate attractions in Leitrim football would be the regular foreign travel - London and New York.
Myles your remark about Is anyone sorry to see him go is a tad ironic considering you called him a traitor etc amongst other things in the previous 54 pages.. You clearly don't like the lad that is fair enough, but would it not be better if you were happy if he got his transfer as you wouldn't have to look at him in a Cavan jersey again. He is a amatuer player ffs get over it. Because johnston is probaly the only player ever to probaly swith counties from Cavan he gets crucified. Cavan had made lots of attempts in the past at getting Dublin based players, Nesty Smith was the only one we managed to get. Give the lad a break, he might have his faults regarding attidude at times but he was brillant player for Cavan for a long time, last year wasn't his best but it was shite in general for Cavan with 2 bad defeats against Donegal and Longford and a mediorce league.
Rodney,
-He is not the 1st player to transfer from Cavan but probably the 1st to transfer because he was simply dropped and to go to a county where he has no connections.
- I don't know Sean Johnston, but I know what he has done and while I'd like to have seen him react by digging in and fixing his flaws instead he has simply shown exactly the type of character he is, i.e. one we are better off withiout.
- I am happy he is never going to play for us again.
- I don't wish him well in his endeavors to play for Kildare because it is against the whole ethos of the GAA and there is no good reason he should be allowed play for them. He is a mercenary looking for glory in a foreign county. Couldn't be more wrong.
- Cavan tried to get lads with Cavan connections for the most part. One exception was Rory Gallagher and I was against that myself and it was a total waste of time.
- Was he that brilliant?? At times yes but at what cost to the rest of the team? I could count his brilliant championship performances on one hand. I'd need my other hand and toes to count the amount of games he quit trying in.
myles you say the ethos of the GAA-you are typical of a lot of GAA fans,jealous and bitter to seeing anyone trying to better himself or doing well.just cause the lad has a lot of talent dont be knocking him.he is amateur after all and not getting paid
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 01, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
you are typical of a lot of GAA fans,jealous and bitter to seeing anyone trying to better himself or doing well
Why can't he better himself while helping his county and giving a bit of leadership to a fine bunch of young players coming through?
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on April 30, 2012, 05:50:38 PM
Why don,t they just give the man his transfer.What are the GAA trying to prove by delaying it.Thats what,s wrong with the GAA ,officals that have nothing better to do than try and block a man playing that was surplus to requirements in Cavan and go and better himself with playing for a better team.Its amateur after all.The quicker players can transfer or play for whatever team they wish the better.He is going to get enentually
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 01, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
myles you say the ethos of the GAA-you are typical of a lot of GAA fans,jealous and bitter to seeing anyone trying to better himself or doing well.just cause the lad has a lot of talent dont be knocking him.he is amateur after all and not getting paid
Hoganstand.com is thattaway ------->
Quote from: heffo on May 01, 2012, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 01, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
you are typical of a lot of GAA fans,jealous and bitter to seeing anyone trying to better himself or doing well
Why can't he better himself while helping his county and giving a bit of leadership to a fine bunch of young players coming through?
He was told he wasnt wanted.
Quote from: tommysmith on May 01, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 01, 2012, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 01, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
you are typical of a lot of GAA fans,jealous and bitter to seeing anyone trying to better himself or doing well
Why can't he better himself while helping his county and giving a bit of leadership to a fine bunch of young players coming through?
He was told he wasnt wanted.
Happens week in week out all over the country - player is back in situ before end of league in 99% of these cases.
Quote from: heffo on May 01, 2012, 05:48:43 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on May 01, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 01, 2012, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 01, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
you are typical of a lot of GAA fans,jealous and bitter to seeing anyone trying to better himself or doing well
Why can't he better himself while helping his county and giving a bit of leadership to a fine bunch of young players coming through?
He was told he wasnt wanted.
Happens week in week out all over the country - player is back in situ before end of league in 99% of these cases.
I doubt it none of the others who were dropped from panel were called back before the league finished.
I am not standing up for him i'm just stating what happened.
why should he go back,the players nor county board didnt make a stand for him when he was clearly good enough for a poor cavan team after years of service,give the man his transfer and stop the shite
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 01, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
why should he go back,the players nor county board didnt make a stand for him
I don't know of any committee in the country at any level who would interfere in the selection process of a team manager.
As to why his team didn't intervene (at least publically), we'll have to wait for the biography..
I suppose Seanie should take it as a compliment that theres a long thread on his transfer, while theres shitloads that have happened before and since which hardly garner a mention.
Its a joke the lengths lads are going to to be shocked - 'he knew he'd be photgraphed with the kildare lads so it was deliberately provocative' - 'what does it say to young kildare lads' etc etc. Ffs - the lad wants to play ball at the highest level, hes got the talent, and hes clearly put it in to get there, so let him get on with it. Particularly amusing to see dubs going out of their way to become aggrieved - nothing to do with local rivalry at all, just standing up for the ethos of the gaa. Sure.
Good luck to Seanie, he doesnt owe Cavan a f**king thing.
I wonder does Seanie ever refer to himself in the 3rd person?
He seems like the sort who would.
"Hey photographer, come over here and take Seanie Johnstons picture".
"Hey you, number 12 blue, you're wasting your time shooting, just give it in to Seanie Johnston."
"Where did you get those boots? Seanie Johnston wants a pair".
"Laps? Seanie Johnston doesn't do laps".
Quote from: haranguerer on May 01, 2012, 07:02:10 PM
I suppose Seanie should take it as a compliment that theres a long thread on his transfer, while theres shitloads that have happened before and since which hardly garner a mention.
Its a joke the lengths lads are going to to be shocked - 'he knew he'd be photgraphed with the kildare lads so it was deliberately provocative' - 'what does it say to young kildare lads' etc etc. Ffs - the lad wants to play ball at the highest level, hes got the talent, and hes clearly put it in to get there, so let him get on with it. Particularly amusing to see dubs going out of their way to become aggrieved - nothing to do with local rivalry at all, just standing up for the ethos of the gaa. Sure.
Good luck to Seanie, he doesnt owe Cavan a f**king thing.
What he owes Cavan is irrelevant, he is bankrupt are far as Cavan are concerned. His legacy has been decided and in a county that always talks football it will be a pretty shitty legacy. I'm really looking forward to Cavan Gaels winning an Ulster Club without him. That will be funny.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 01, 2012, 07:02:10 PM
I suppose Seanie should take it as a compliment that theres a long thread on his transfer, while theres shitloads that have happened before and since which hardly garner a mention.
Its a joke the lengths lads are going to to be shocked - 'he knew he'd be photgraphed with the kildare lads so it was deliberately provocative' - 'what does it say to young kildare lads' etc etc. Ffs - the lad wants to play ball at the highest level, hes got the talent, and hes clearly put it in to get there, so let him get on with it. Particularly amusing to see dubs going out of their way to become aggrieved - nothing to do with local rivalry at all, just standing up for the ethos of the gaa. Sure.
Good luck to Seanie, he doesnt owe Cavan a f**king thing.
Been reading this thread with amusement the last while, whereas I see posters like mylestheslasher going a bit too far in his eternal repetitive stance on the Seanie issue it does stand up to scrutiny and I respect his point of view if not agreeing 100% of the time. You haranguer seem to lack the basics of the GAA with the constant references to allowing Seanie play at the highest level and Seanie should be able to play where he likes, catch a grip horseen, this is not the premiership. I'd venture that most posters here, as the majority of members of the GAA do, have a strong preference for this type of transferring not to be allowed and see it as a blight on our games.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on April 30, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
Seanie
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/615758/
Is anyone sorry to see him go?
(http://thethoughtsofphil.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/david-may.jpg?w=600)
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 01, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 01, 2012, 07:02:10 PM
I suppose Seanie should take it as a compliment that theres a long thread on his transfer, while theres shitloads that have happened before and since which hardly garner a mention.
Its a joke the lengths lads are going to to be shocked - 'he knew he'd be photgraphed with the kildare lads so it was deliberately provocative' - 'what does it say to young kildare lads' etc etc. Ffs - the lad wants to play ball at the highest level, hes got the talent, and hes clearly put it in to get there, so let him get on with it. Particularly amusing to see dubs going out of their way to become aggrieved - nothing to do with local rivalry at all, just standing up for the ethos of the gaa. Sure.
Good luck to Seanie, he doesnt owe Cavan a f**king thing.
What he owes Cavan is irrelevant, he is bankrupt are far as Cavan are concerned. His legacy has been decided and in a county that always talks football it will be a pretty shitty legacy. I'm really looking forward to Cavan Gaels winning an Ulster Club without him. That will be funny.
I think he'll be remembered as a poor mans Conor Mortimer.
Quote from: spuds on May 01, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
You haranguer seem to lack the basics of the GAA with the constant references to allowing Seanie play at the highest level and Seanie should be able to play where he likes, catch a grip horseen, this is not the premiership. I'd venture that most posters here, as the majority of members of the GAA do, have a strong preference for this type of transferring not to be allowed and see it as a blight on our games.
Lack the basics of the gaa? Good man. You certainly, along with a lot of the others so vehemently against the transfer certainly dont lack the basics of hypocrisy.
These transfers happen all the time, at every level. In this case, my issue isn't with any rules, including the transfer rule. Its with the application of these rules - they arent applied fairly. Not only are blind eyes turned most of the time, but the gaa actively encourage breaches - see players hurling for weaker counties. Club footballers told to transfer to bigger clubs if they want to be considered for the county. The GAA know that this transfer, if seanie wants it to, will go through - the first request was denied merely in the hope that with the passage of time and acceptance, the media interest would die down.
So we have a rule that noone really gives a f**k about, until, along comes Seanie, decent player, denied top level football at the whim of a manager, wants to transfer to a team that may have a shout at Sam, everyone suddenly remembers the ethos of the GAA. When yous said nothing as it happened with players that didnt matter so much (its reassuring to know you were 'very much against' gallagher moving to cavan Myles, clearly a man of principle. you were pretty quiet about it tho) its very hard to take yous seriously now.
You're right, its not the premiership, seanie isnt getting paid. He still has to go and do a days work, then go to try to play a sport he loves, and now he knows that he is going to get probably the worst abuse any player has ever had to endure in any game he ever plays again, and in all likelihood, have this thrown in his face for the rest of his life, because there are a crowd of arseholes who think gaa players owe them something. The more I listen to this indignant hypocritcal outrage, the more I hope he goes on and gets a f**king allstar
These hurling players are allowed some extra leeway as the hope is they will use their ability to help develop the hurling in these weaker counties. They are not going there to win all irelands or contend championships - they are allowed leeway to help develop the players who are there. That's an altogether different scenario and a bad example used to suit your argument.
In what world does no-one give a **** about this rule? Give specific examples. There have been various breaches in various scenarios - Cavan included. The big Carlow fellow to Wicklow was another reasonably high profile example. People didn't like Gallagher to Cavan or Walsh to Wicklow - the fact that there counties were lower profile are irrelevant. They are to me anyway.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 01, 2012, 10:48:09 PM
These hurling players are allowed some extra leeway as the hope is they will use their ability to help develop the hurling in these weaker counties. They are not going there to win all irelands or contend championships - they are allowed leeway to help develop the players who are there. That's an altogether different scenario and a bad example used to suit your argument.
In what world does no-one give a **** about this rule? Give specific examples. There have been various breaches in various scenarios - Cavan included. The big Carlow fellow to Wicklow was another reasonably high profile example. People didn't like Gallagher to Cavan or Walsh to Wicklow - the fact that there counties were lower profile are irrelevant. They are to me anyway.
Its not a bad example. A rule like this has to be absolute. Once you say, oh, thats different becuase that county hes going to is shite, or hes pretty shite himself, then the rule becomes subjective and therefore utterly useless.
'People didnt like' those transfers you mention. Fair enough. I didnt see much of a fuss about them though, did you? Which is why I'm reacting to this - I see it as sheer hypocrisy, given the 'barely a murmur' over all the other transfers, and I resent the fact that this player, who has done nothing wrong any more than hundreds of others, is being hung out to dry.
Why didn't he transfer to longford, leitrim, fermanagh etc. He could have lived there without the need to lie about his residence and still had a relatively easy commute. Answer, because he is a glory hunting mercenary. That's the difference.
Whatever about the moral rights and wrongs of Johnson's transfer, there is a fundamental rotten egg being conveniently ignored here. that is that whether we like it or not, Johnson meets all of the GAA's own criteria for a transfer from cavan to kevins but is now being denied by a systematic evasion of due process by croke park. cancelling meetings and deferring decisions is a very small approach to dealing with any issue.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 01, 2012, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: spuds on May 01, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
You haranguer seem to lack the basics of the GAA with the constant references to allowing Seanie play at the highest level and Seanie should be able to play where he likes, catch a grip horseen, this is not the premiership. I'd venture that most posters here, as the majority of members of the GAA do, have a strong preference for this type of transferring not to be allowed and see it as a blight on our games.
Lack the basics of the gaa? Good man. You certainly, along with a lot of the others so vehemently against the transfer certainly dont lack the basics of hypocrisy.
These transfers happen all the time, at every level. In this case, my issue isn't with any rules, including the transfer rule. Its with the application of these rules - they arent applied fairly. Not only are blind eyes turned most of the time, but the gaa actively encourage breaches - see players hurling for weaker counties. Club footballers told to transfer to bigger clubs if they want to be considered for the county. The GAA know that this transfer, if seanie wants it to, will go through - the first request was denied merely in the hope that with the passage of time and acceptance, the media interest would die down.
So we have a rule that noone really gives a f**k about, until, along comes Seanie, decent player, denied top level football at the whim of a manager, wants to transfer to a team that may have a shout at Sam, everyone suddenly remembers the ethos of the GAA. When yous said nothing as it happened with players that didnt matter so much (its reassuring to know you were 'very much against' gallagher moving to cavan Myles, clearly a man of principle. you were pretty quiet about it tho) its very hard to take yous seriously now.
You're right, its not the premiership, seanie isnt getting paid. He still has to go and do a days work, then go to try to play a sport he loves, and now he knows that he is going to get probably the worst abuse any player has ever had to endure in any game he ever plays again, and in all likelihood, have this thrown in his face for the rest of his life, because there are a crowd of arseholes who think gaa players owe them something. The more I listen to this indignant hypocritcal outrage, the more I hope he goes on and gets a f**king allstar
+1
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 01, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
He chose Kildare i'd imagine to prove and test himself.. He would know he would have to work hard to make the team and earn his place on a team of good players. There is no harm in that he has only a few years left, nothing wrong with wanting to test yourself at the top. There was never any chance he would have played for Longford,Fermanagh or Meath all being big rivals to Cavan..
Only Fermanagh would be a rival to Cavan FFS! I agree with the general consensus. What's stopping him transferring to Monaghan, Leitrim, Longford etc?? He's a gloryhunter and it goes against the basic spirit of our game for him to go to Kildare in search of an All Ireland. If I were on the Kildare panel I'd be sick about the situation. Born and bred Kildare and would commit everything for the cause yet this a$$hole to whom the Kildare jersey means nothing is going to put me on the bench or off the panel?? No way it should be scrapped!!! Let him go to Longford and help their players!
So Myles, Screen, just to be clear, its grand(ish) for him to transfer, as long as he transfers to someone unlikely to be around at the business end of the summer? What about the ethos of the GAA, the parish, cycling 40 mile to a match with your brother on the handlebars after making hay all day etc etc?? And yous say Seanie Johnson is making a clown of himself!!
Is it not admirable, that when he found himself in this situation, he didnt settle for being a big fish in a small pond, but decided to try himself somewhere he was unproven, his name would mean very little, and he'd have to really fight for his place? Going by the character assassination of him on this thread, that last sentence is barely recognisable from the seanie that ye lads know. Somethings amiss.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 01, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
He chose Kildare i'd imagine to prove and test himself.. He would know he would have to work hard to make the team and earn his place on a team of good players. There is no harm in that he has only a few years left, nothing wrong with wanting to test yourself at the top. There was never any chance he would have played for Longford,Fermanagh or Meath all being big rivals to Cavan..
He chose Kildare because a) he'll get on the team as they've no corner forwards, b) they've a reasonable shot at a Leinster and possibly an All-Ireland, c) he likes driving and d) ....... what other reasons could there possibly be?
Quote from: Jinxy on May 02, 2012, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 01, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
He chose Kildare i'd imagine to prove and test himself.. He would know he would have to work hard to make the team and earn his place on a team of good players. There is no harm in that he has only a few years left, nothing wrong with wanting to test yourself at the top. There was never any chance he would have played for Longford,Fermanagh or Meath all being big rivals to Cavan..
He chose Kildare because a) he'll get on the team as they've no corner forwards, b) they've a reasonable shot at a Leinster and possibly an All-Ireland, c) he likes driving and d) ....... what other reasons could there possibly be?
How 'bout:
e) He was approached by McGeeney and/or a member (or members) of the Kildare county board and was made an offer he couldn't refuse?
what harm if he was approached,he,s a damn good player.it,s happening all over the country at club level, especially in dublin.the majority of fans will not care about him being an outsider once he delivers on the field.i,d rather have him on my team
Seanie seems like the kind of player that you pass it to hoping for a return pass as you run by but he keeps it for himself to go for glory.
He will be bad for Kildare so in one way I hope he goes but I also have hopes that he never plays inter county football again.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 02, 2012, 08:25:56 AM
So Myles, Screen, just to be clear, its grand(ish) for him to transfer, as long as he transfers to someone unlikely to be around at the business end of the summer? What about the ethos of the GAA, the parish, cycling 40 mile to a match with your brother on the handlebars after making hay all day etc etc?? And yous say Seanie Johnson is making a clown of himself!!
Is it not admirable, that when he found himself in this situation, he didnt settle for being a big fish in a small pond, but decided to try himself somewhere he was unproven, his name would mean very little, and he'd have to really fight for his place? Going by the character assassination of him on this thread, that last sentence is barely recognisable from the seanie that ye lads know. Somethings amiss.
No, you're not being clear you are being an idiot. What I said was if "he just wants to play football " , then there are options closer to home (although equally against the rules), he went like the mercenary he is to a county miles away because he thinks he'll win something. I hope he wins nothing. Btw, you are one twisted individual and your posts on this are just bizarre and not rooted in any logic. You should pick a English premier league team and follow with gusto as they play by the rules you seem to like.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2012, 06:22:34 PM
Johnston knew Hugh Mcgrillan and a few other Kildare players from his time in DCU. Johnston and Mcgrillan were both on the team that won the sigerson in 2010. He also knew the Kildare trainer Julie Davis. She was trainer of Cavan when Donal Keoghan was manager. He also knew the Kildare selector Niall Carew through college football.. Carew manages Maynooth. He didn't just pick them for the craic..
And the thing about him being a glory hunting mercenary doesn't make sense. Kildare have won nothing of note the last 5/6 years till the league win last sunday. A few close defeats is all. They were actually lucky to get promotion in the final game needing a 3rd min injury time pen from Johnny Doyle to get a point and seal promotion - otherwise Galway were going up.. Glory hunting is if went to Dublin or down south to Cork or Kerry or even another Ulster team in Tyrone.
I think McGrillen was only in DCU for one year. They'd hardly know each other that well.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 02, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2012, 06:22:34 PM
Johnston knew Hugh Mcgrillan and a few other Kildare players from his time in DCU. Johnston and Mcgrillan were both on the team that won the sigerson in 2010. He also knew the Kildare trainer Julie Davis. She was trainer of Cavan when Donal Keoghan was manager. He also knew the Kildare selector Niall Carew through college football.. Carew manages Maynooth. He didn't just pick them for the craic..
And the thing about him being a glory hunting mercenary doesn't make sense. Kildare have won nothing of note the last 5/6 years till the league win last sunday. A few close defeats is all. They were actually lucky to get promotion in the final game needing a 3rd min injury time pen from Johnny Doyle to get a point and seal promotion - otherwise Galway were going up.. Glory hunting is if went to Dublin or down south to Cork or Kerry or even another Ulster team in Tyrone.
I think McGrillen was only in DCU for one year. They'd hardly know each other that well.
Johnson would have far more connection with players and mgt on the Dublin panel. Would've been handier for him for Cavan town too.
I think he would have more of a realistic chance of making the Kildare team over Dublin. Dublin have lots of scoring power when they have everyone fit.. A clinical forward is what Kildare have always been short although Fogarty looked good when he came on last week. Paul Gribbin would be a key player for them if he wasn't playing AFL.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
I think he would have more of a realistic chance of making the Kildare team over Dublin. Dublin have lots of scoring power when they have everyone fit.. A clinical forward is what Kildare have always been short although Fogarty looked good when he came on last week. Paul Gribbin would be a key player for them if he wasn't playing AFL.
But would he not want to test himself?
See how good he could be etc.
It's a moot point anyway as Gilroy wouldn't have him within 10 miles of the panel.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2012, 06:22:34 PM
Johnston knew Hugh Mcgrillan and a few other Kildare players from his time in DCU. Johnston and Mcgrillan were both on the team that won the sigerson in 2010. He also knew the Kildare trainer Julie Davis. She was trainer of Cavan when Donal Keoghan was manager. He also knew the Kildare selector Niall Carew through college football.. Carew manages Maynooth. He didn't just pick them for the craic..
And the thing about him being a glory hunting mercenary doesn't make sense. Kildare have won nothing of note the last 5/6 years till the league win last sunday. A few close defeats is all. They were actually lucky to get promotion in the final game needing a 3rd min injury time pen from Johnny Doyle to get a point and seal promotion - otherwise Galway were going up.. Glory hunting is if went to Dublin or down south to Cork or Kerry or even another Ulster team in Tyrone.
He wouldnt be an impact sub for Dublin. So he'd be wasting his time with us. But I'm sure in time he'll gravitate towards club football in dublin.
Assuming this does go through in the end it could be great. From Dublin point of view I really like the look of Michael Murphy from Donegal. We'll have him. Also like Karl Lacey would fit in nicely. Need a midfielder so maybe we'll make an offer to Aidan OShea from Mayo. Thanks Seanie this could be just what the stronger counties need! To hell with the rules and the traditions of the GAA and it's greater good!
I'll say it again - this breaks no rules
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 02, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
Btw, you are one twisted individual and your posts on this are just bizarre and not rooted in any logic. You should pick a English premier league team and follow with gusto as they play by the rules you seem to like.
Lols. You absolute bollocks - away and catch a grip of yourself.
If theres any part of my thinking you dont understand, then I'm more than happy to clarify. What is bizarre is the likes of the below post. Try to follow that one through on a logical basis. Contradiction central, and makes it clear you havent the slightest notion what you are on about.
Oh and great dig about the 'English premier league team' - it really hurts :'(
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 01, 2012, 03:01:02 PM
-He is not the 1st player to transfer from Cavan but probably the 1st to transfer because he was simply dropped and to go to a county where he has no connections.
- I don't know Sean Johnston, but I know what he has done and while I'd like to have seen him react by digging in and fixing his flaws instead he has simply shown exactly the type of character he is, i.e. one we are better off withiout.
- I am happy he is never going to play for us again.
- I don't wish him well in his endeavors to play for Kildare because it is against the whole ethos of the GAA and there is no good reason he should be allowed play for them. He is a mercenary looking for glory in a foreign county. Couldn't be more wrong.
- Cavan tried to get lads with Cavan connections for the most part. One exception was Rory Gallagher and I was against that myself and it was a total waste of time.
- Was he that brilliant?? At times yes but at what cost to the rest of the team? I could count his brilliant championship performances on one hand. I'd need my other hand and toes to count the amount of games he quit trying in.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 02, 2012, 09:31:00 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2012, 06:22:34 PM
Johnston knew Hugh Mcgrillan and a few other Kildare players from his time in DCU. Johnston and Mcgrillan were both on the team that won the sigerson in 2010. He also knew the Kildare trainer Julie Davis. She was trainer of Cavan when Donal Keoghan was manager. He also knew the Kildare selector Niall Carew through college football.. Carew manages Maynooth. He didn't just pick them for the craic..
And the thing about him being a glory hunting mercenary doesn't make sense. Kildare have won nothing of note the last 5/6 years till the league win last sunday. A few close defeats is all. They were actually lucky to get promotion in the final game needing a 3rd min injury time pen from Johnny Doyle to get a point and seal promotion - otherwise Galway were going up.. Glory hunting is if went to Dublin or down south to Cork or Kerry or even another Ulster team in Tyrone.
He wouldnt be an impact sub for Dublin. So he'd be wasting his time with us. But I'm sure in time he'll gravitate towards club football in dublin.
The funny thing is it's an ex-clubmate of mine (a Dub) who's now heavily involved in the Kildare supporters club that's putting up the accomodation for him.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 02, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
I'll say it again - this breaks no rules
Eh it does yeah.
1. He wasn't living in the address he gave - it was marked as 'not known at address' and returned to Croke Park.
2. He has to play Championship with St Kevins before he can play for Kildare.
Anyhoo I've heard HQ are pulling out all the stops to not let this through..whether it goes through or not is a different matter.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 03, 2012, 08:38:35 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 02, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
Btw, you are one twisted individual and your posts on this are just bizarre and not rooted in any logic. You should pick a English premier league team and follow with gusto as they play by the rules you seem to like.
Lols. You absolute bollocks - away and catch a grip of yourself.
If theres any part of my thinking you dont understand, then I'm more than happy to clarify. What is bizarre is the likes of the below post. Try to follow that one through on a logical basis. Contradiction central, and makes it clear you havent the slightest notion what you are on about.
Oh and great dig about the 'English premier league team' - it really hurts :'(
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 01, 2012, 03:01:02 PM
-He is not the 1st player to transfer from Cavan but probably the 1st to transfer because he was simply dropped and to go to a county where he has no connections.
- I don't know Sean Johnston, but I know what he has done and while I'd like to have seen him react by digging in and fixing his flaws instead he has simply shown exactly the type of character he is, i.e. one we are better off withiout.
- I am happy he is never going to play for us again.
- I don't wish him well in his endeavors to play for Kildare because it is against the whole ethos of the GAA and there is no good reason he should be allowed play for them. He is a mercenary looking for glory in a foreign county. Couldn't be more wrong.
- Cavan tried to get lads with Cavan connections for the most part. One exception was Rory Gallagher and I was against that myself and it was a total waste of time.
- Was he that brilliant?? At times yes but at what cost to the rest of the team? I could count his brilliant championship performances on one hand. I'd need my other hand and toes to count the amount of games he quit trying in.
OK then. You pretend you are a GAA legislator. Explain to me in what circumstances a player should be allowed to leave a county and play for another unrelated county - by unrelated I mean they have no family ties to such as a parent having been born there. Perhaps you think everyone should be allowed play for whoever they like - is that it?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/new-twist-in-johnston-saga-with-cccc-chief-expected-to-step-aside-3097492.html
Quote from: heffo on May 03, 2012, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 02, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
I'll say it again - this breaks no rules
Eh it does yeah.
1. He wasn't living in the address he gave - it was marked as 'not known at address' and returned to Croke Park.
2. He has to play Championship with St Kevins before he can play for Kildare.
Anyhoo I've heard HQ are pulling out all the stops to not let this through..whether it goes through or not is a different matter.
Is that a rule heffo? I know lads who played with Offaly before Senior Championship with their club. They would have played Junior/Intermediate with the club, but may not have reached the 'A' club team yet. And then they'd be on Senior squads for League/Challenge Matches with the county.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 03, 2012, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 02, 2012, 10:50:22 PM
I'll say it again - this breaks no rules
Eh it does yeah.
1. He wasn't living in the address he gave - it was marked as 'not known at address' and returned to Croke Park.
2. He has to play Championship with St Kevins before he can play for Kildare.
Anyhoo I've heard HQ are pulling out all the stops to not let this through..whether it goes through or not is a different matter.
Is that a rule heffo? I know lads who played with Offaly before Senior Championship with their club. They would have played Junior/Intermediate with the club, but may not have reached the 'A' club team yet. And then they'd be on Senior squads for League/Challenge Matches with the county.
It's the so-called 'Seanie Johnson' rule brought in at Congress last month
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 02, 2012, 09:49:54 PM
Assuming this does go through in the end it could be great. From Dublin point of view I really like the look of Michael Murphy from Donegal. We'll have him. Also like Karl Lacey would fit in nicely. Need a midfielder so maybe we'll make an offer to Aidan OShea from Mayo. Thanks Seanie this could be just what the stronger counties need! To hell with the rules and the traditions of the GAA and it's greater good!
Tyrone have a greater need. We'll see your 3 bedroom semi and raise you an En-suite and a twin cam.
Ah. But how does it impact players who would be young lads, say just out of Minor. They might be from a strong club like Tullamore, Rhode or whatever, and not have played Championship yet. Are they not allowed be part of a league panel for the Senior County squad, or if they have played underage for the county are they eligible as well?
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 02, 2012, 09:36:16 PM
Yeah obviously he would want to test himself, i don't think he will walk into the Kildare move if it does go through.. they still have very good forwards maybe not as quite as good as the dubs.. a cameo role from the bench is what i'd expect from Johnston this year with Kildare unless they pick a few up a few injuries he might get a start. The team that won the league will be the team with Fogarty included for champo.
I doubt very much if "a cameo role from the bench" is what Seanie Johnston had in mind when he went to all the trouble to play for Kildare. You could say that he has already had a role on the bench last Sunday in Croke Park.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 03, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
Ah. But how does it impact players who would be young lads, say just out of Minor. They might be from a strong club like Tullamore, Rhode or whatever, and not have played Championship yet. Are they not allowed be part of a league panel for the Senior County squad, or if they have played underage for the county are they eligible as well?
I don't have the rule to hand, but I'd imagine once you've played Championship at any grade with the club you're eligible.
Rory Gallagher transferred to a club in Cavan, played a few league games to allow him play county with Cavan and then transferred back to St Brigids in Dublin to play championship - new rule would eliminate this kind of thing.
Well considering he has missed a full league campaign a cameo role is probaly the best he would be aspiring for at this stage. Not that there would be a reason why he couldn't break into the team. CCC is a right c**k up now with one of the main men pulling out with having kildare connections - i don't know if thats a good thing or not for johnstons sake.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 03, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
CCC is a right c**k up now with one of the main men pulling out with having kildare connections - i don't know if thats a good thing or not for johnstons sake.
I can't see you've reached that conclusion at all.
It's standard practice for any individual with a conflict or potential conflict of interest to step aside for a given hearing.
Must be a slow news day in in the Indo.
Yes - a non-story. It reeks of Martin Breheny.
The transfer is wrong and it goes against every fiber of the GAA in my opinion.
If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
Seanie took the hump because he got dropped by a manager he knew wasnt going to make it past the season. He chose to go off glory hunting and flirt with Kildare.
Him sitting on the bench last week was a massive attention seeking act and I think that will have definitely put most Cavan people off wanting him back anyway.
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Who works in Naas?
About 20% of them.
Boom boom.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Who works in Naas?
Bily Joe Padden. Living, married and playing club football in Armagh.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
;D
Cavan would gladly take Dermot Early in a swap deal ???
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 03, 2012, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Who works in Naas?
Eh Billy Joe Padden
Quote from: spuds on May 03, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 03, 2012, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Who works in Naas?
Bily Joe Padden. Living, married and playing club football in Armagh.
Sean Johnson. Living and playing club football in Kildare.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 01:23:14 PM
Quote from: spuds on May 03, 2012, 12:55:46 PM
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Who works in Naas?
Bily Joe Padden. Living, married and playing club football in Armagh.
Sean Johnson. Living and playing club football in Kildare.
Yeah and a pig just flew by my office window.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 03, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
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If a player had genuinely moved to start a new life with a family or something I have no issue with it. No player should be forced to have to travel a few hours everytime he wants to play football like Billy Joe Padden was doing.
You do realise he works in Naas?
Stop being such a spoilsport Dinny!
The subs bench stunt might come back to bite him in the ass yet.
In a nutshell Johnston days were numbered when Terry Hyland got the Cavan job. When Val Andrews made the decision to drop Johnston he wasn't going to go back on it. And from what i heard Anthony Forde and Johnston never got on that well with the Gaels.. Forde is a selector under hyland. I think even if Terry Hyland did invite Johnston back into the panel if he has been playing with the Gaels he would have turned it down as it wasn't just Andews say that got him dropped in the first place. Cavan have some brillant young players coming though it will take a few years but their is a bright future ahead. Terry Hyland will do a great job hopefully and it would be good if Johnston does well with Kildare too.
Doesn't like hyland, doesn't like Andrews and doesn't like forde. Might be easier and quicker to list who he does like.
He seems to get on alright with the Kildare subs.
Give Andy Graham a few years and he'll be as good as Johnston.
Michael Lyng turned down an offer to return to the county panel last week. He has wasted his county career in my opinion. Class act on his day but never did it enough for Cavan. He was on of the 6 dropped with Johnston... And johnston wanting to continue his career somewhere else shows he has a bit of ambition. Jesus he could very easily just piss about and score 1-10 for the gaels every match with no county football. He hadn't a hope of playing with Cavan anytime soon so best of luck to him. I'm a fan of Hyland and think he will do well, its a pity about the circumstances over johnstons but such is life.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 03, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Doesn't like hyland, doesn't like Andrews and doesn't like forde. Might be easier and quicker to list who he does like.
I'd be willing to bet he doesnt like you ;D ;D ;D ;D
If Cavan happen to meet Kildare in the qualifiers, who would be marking Seanie?. Stranger things have happened.
Bernard Morris might be brought back for that one.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 03, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
Michael Lyng turned down an offer to return to the county panel last week. He has wasted his county career in my opinion. Class act on his day but never did it enough for Cavan. He was on of the 6 dropped with Johnston... And johnston wanting to continue his career somewhere else shows he has a bit of ambition. Jesus he could very easily just piss about and score 1-10 for the gaels every match with no county football. He hadn't a hope of playing with Cavan anytime soon so best of luck to him. I'm a fan of Hyland and think he will do well, its a pity about the circumstances over johnstons but such is life.
Has Lyng not been severely injury prone? I always assumed this was why he wasn't making it as much as he would be expected to as he was always a player with great potential.
Yeah Lyng had a fair amount of injuries when he first broke onto the County panel. He has a very serious injury which led to a operation which almost went wrong and could have killed him. That kept out for over a year, he had a few other minor injuries that kept him out for spells too. The last two years he has been fully fit more or less. He left the county panel twice before under keoghan and under tommy Carr just as he had been showing some form this was leading upto the championship. He is a brillant player when fully fit, i'd rate him as one of the best centre forwards in the country when he is at his best, sadly we never saw that enough when he played with cavan.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 03, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Doesn't like hyland, doesn't like Andrews and doesn't like forde. Might be easier and quicker to list who he does like.
found it..
1 Seanie Johnston
2 Seanie J
3 SEE 1 AND 2
Where is 'sams the aim' all of a sudden? :P
Might as well ask the man himself what the story is.....
Quote from: Dangleberrys on May 04, 2012, 12:27:24 PM
Where is 'sams the aim' all of a sudden? :P
Might as well ask the man himself what the story is.....
Learning how to spell + I don't the Kildare supporters club got the broadband line installed yet in his new house.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 03, 2012, 10:24:30 AM
OK then. You pretend you are a GAA legislator. Explain to me in what circumstances a player should be allowed to leave a county and play for another unrelated county - by unrelated I mean they have no family ties to such as a parent having been born there. Perhaps you think everyone should be allowed play for whoever they like - is that it?
Eh? ???
Myles, its an emotive issue, and I can respect that you dont want Seanie Johnson to play for Kildare. I also would probably rather he played for Cavan. But given that this option was denied to him, I'd by far rather he played for Kildare, than played for noone, and there have been no arguments put forward which have swayed my view of this. I also resent one player being picked on when loads of players transfer, and little is said - the double standards are breathtaking.
That parentage thing you refer to is a load of bollocks, and everyone knows it. It was hastily borrowed from international soccer presumably, to act as a loophole - the size of Ireland ffs most intercounty players would qualify for other counties, so the doomsday scenarios you and others are coming up with are already pretty much allowed.
Can you really not think of any reason why they havent happened, and are unlikely to happen, as long as the actual only real 'ethos' of the GAA remains in place? Perhaps you'd be better pursuing the travesty of breaches of that, than getting worked up about the transfer of a player you have said good riddance to a long time ago.
I'm only asking you to outline, in your opinion, what the rule book should say. In my opinion it should say no transfer to a county unless..
- Your work/family life brings you to this county.
- You have family links to this county
What do you think the rulebook should say. Its easy to knock the rules but lets have your version!
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 03, 2012, 10:24:30 AM
OK then. You pretend you are a GAA legislator. Explain to me in what circumstances a player should be allowed to leave a county and play for another unrelated county - by unrelated I mean they have no family ties to such as a parent having been born there. Perhaps you think everyone should be allowed play for whoever they like - is that it?
Eh? ???
Myles, its an emotive issue, and I can respect that you dont want Seanie Johnson to play for Kildare. I also would probably rather he played for Cavan. But given that this option was denied to him, I'd by far rather he played for Kildare, than played for noone, and there have been no arguments put forward which have swayed my view of this. I also resent one player being picked on when loads of players transfer, and little is said - the double standards are breathtaking.
That parentage thing you refer to is a load of bollocks, and everyone knows it. It was hastily borrowed from international soccer presumably, to act as a loophole - the size of Ireland ffs most intercounty players would qualify for other counties, so the doomsday scenarios you and others are coming up with are already pretty much allowed.
Can you really not think of any reason why they havent happened, and are unlikely to happen, as long as the actual only real 'ethos' of the GAA remains in place? Perhaps you'd be better pursuing the travesty of breaches of that, than getting worked up about the transfer of a player you have said good riddance to a long time ago.
He wouldnt be playing for no-one, he could of played for his club, like most county players that are dropped
no-one at the highest level then eddie, is that ok??
happy days
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
no-one at the highest level then eddie, is that ok??
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
:D Are you serious? You mean theres been proposals on how this should be handled and I've been knocking them???
By my count, theres two proposals:
(1) Let him play for Kildare
(2) Dont let him play for Kildare.
I'll go along with the first one.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
:D Are you serious? You mean theres been proposals on how this should be handled and I've been knocking them???
By my count, theres two proposals:
(1) Let him play for Kildare
(2) Dont let him play for Kildare.
I'll go along with the first one.
Fierce implications for letting contrived transfers like this through though...what if Gilroy steps down this year, Jim Gavin takes over and decides he'll welcome anyone who wants to play for Dublin?
Far more money and apartments floating around Dublin than other counties and it would be very easy to entice players to play for us..
Quote from: heffo on May 04, 2012, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
:D Are you serious? You mean theres been proposals on how this should be handled and I've been knocking them???
By my count, theres two proposals:
(1) Let him play for Kildare
(2) Dont let him play for Kildare.
I'll go along with the first one.
Fierce implications for letting contrived transfers like this through though...what if Gilroy steps down this year, Jim Gavin takes over and decides he'll welcome anyone who wants to play for Dublin?
Far more money and apartments floating around Dublin than other counties and it would be very easy to entice players to play for us..
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
the doomsday scenarios you and others are coming up with are already pretty much allowed.
Can you really not think of any reason why they havent happened, and are unlikely to happen, as long as the actual only real 'ethos' of the GAA remains in place? Perhaps you'd be better pursuing the travesty of breaches of that, than getting worked up about the transfer of a player you have said good riddance to a long time ago.
Well then you're getting into a whole other issue Heffo, as referrred to earlier, above. Contrived transfers wont become an issue unless there is payment, and in that case, that would be a much more pressing issue to deal with.
Jinxie or Jinxy whatever it is.. if that is you under the name Jinxie on hoganstand posting on the Cavan page on hogandstand about Johnston than you are bloody obsessed with the man.. Ask him out or just visit him in staffan and discuss the whole transfer and go off on a wee rant :-*
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 04, 2012, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
:D Are you serious? You mean theres been proposals on how this should be handled and I've been knocking them???
By my count, theres two proposals:
(1) Let him play for Kildare
(2) Dont let him play for Kildare.
I'll go along with the first one.
Fierce implications for letting contrived transfers like this through though...what if Gilroy steps down this year, Jim Gavin takes over and decides he'll welcome anyone who wants to play for Dublin?
Far more money and apartments floating around Dublin than other counties and it would be very easy to entice players to play for us..
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 01:47:12 PM
the doomsday scenarios you and others are coming up with are already pretty much allowed.
Can you really not think of any reason why they havent happened, and are unlikely to happen, as long as the actual only real 'ethos' of the GAA remains in place? Perhaps you'd be better pursuing the travesty of breaches of that, than getting worked up about the transfer of a player you have said good riddance to a long time ago.
Well then you're getting into a whole other issue Heffo, as referrred to earlier, above. Contrived transfers wont become an issue unless there is payment, and in that case, that would be a much more pressing issue to deal with.
There has already been payment in kind in other IC transfers and if you just let anyone move anywhere and other counties relax their attitudes towards it then all hell will break loose.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
:D Are you serious? You mean theres been proposals on how this should be handled and I've been knocking them???
By my count, theres two proposals:
(1) Let him play for Kildare
(2) Dont let him play for Kildare.
I'll go along with the first one.
I've asked you a question and you won't answer it. You are a coward.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 04, 2012, 05:27:38 PM
Jinxie or Jinxy whatever it is.. if that is you under the name Jinxie on hoganstand posting on the Cavan page on hogandstand about Johnston than you are bloody obsessed with the man.. Ask him out or just visit him in staffan and discuss the whole transfer and go off on a wee rant :-*
That's not me Rodney you dipstick! :D
There are many jinxies about this country
Fair enough my bad, the fella on Hoganstand happened to be from Meath aswell. Ye both have a fascination with the transfer i'll give that. And this is definitely my last post on this thread, The sooner this transfer is sorted the better.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 04, 2012, 08:40:17 PM
Fair enough my bad, the fella on Hoganstand happened to be from Meath aswell. Ye both have a fascination with the transfer i'll give that. And this is definitely my last post on this thread, The sooner this transfer is sorted the better.
Now there's a coincidence.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 04, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 04, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Come on - lets see your proposal on how this should be handled instead of just knocking everyone elses!!!!
:D Are you serious? You mean theres been proposals on how this should be handled and I've been knocking them???
By my count, theres two proposals:
(1) Let him play for Kildare
(2) Dont let him play for Kildare.
I'll go along with the first one.
I've asked you a question and you won't answer it. You are a coward.
Myles, you're being a complete bollocks about this, or I suppose it may just be the case that you just are a complete bollocks and cant help it. I was more than polite earlier in saying I respected your view, but was against it but you turn round and come out with utter shite like this. Tell me, what proposals have there being?? What proposals have I knocked? Wtf are you talking about in general??! And how am I not answering by saying my proposal is to let him play for Kildare?? And what were you on about earlier when you said I pretend to be a gaa legislator?? I'm beginning to suspect you're either insane or on drugs, either way I probably shouldnt bother my arse answering you, but I'm curious as to what is going on in your head, if anything.
Quote from: heffo on May 04, 2012, 05:34:16 PM
There has already been payment in kind in other IC transfers and if you just let anyone move anywhere and other counties relax their attitudes towards it then all hell will break loose.
That may be, and for me that would be a much greater issue, and infintely more at odds with that great ethos we hold so dear.
It sounds like your argument is that none of these transfers should be allowed, because counties will offer players money to come play for them. But surely its the payments, which are wholly illegal, that should be clamped down on. If there are no payments, then the transfers will never become a problem.
Read my posts again. I just want you to tell me what the gaa rule governing inter county transfers should look like. The rule is not just for 1 player it must be for everyone. Now read your responses and I think its clear who the bollocks is.
Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).
What would you like it to look like?
Quote from: haranguerer on May 05, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).
What would you like it to look like?
fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?
Quote from: eddie d on May 05, 2012, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 05, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).
What would you like it to look like?
fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?
Moved to Straffan Eddie, at the start of all this.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 07, 2012, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: eddie d on May 05, 2012, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 05, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).
What would you like it to look like?
fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?
Moved to Straffan Eddie, at the start of all this.
No he didn't. Thats why 1st Cavan Co Board objected and 2nd Cavan Gaels objected. Tell me, were you in favour of him being allowed play with the Gaels and also with Kildare while living in Cavan town - his original attempt at a transfer, for which he wanted Cavan Gaels to fund his appeal against to the tune of 10k? I could go back to the start of the thread and check but you could save me the hassle.
Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....
"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"
So when you say the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 07, 2012, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: eddie d on May 05, 2012, 05:41:44 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 05, 2012, 05:00:46 PM
Its grand the way it was (see the effect the 'seanie johnson' rule has had in london - another ridiculously stupid ill thought out proposal rushed through).
What would you like it to look like?
fair point, but if you think the rules were grand before then, correct me if im wrong, you would have to agree the transfer couldnt go through because of johnston not living in the county he wants to switch to? maybe he has moved?
Moved to Straffan Eddie, at the start of all this.
hardly, i have been following this thread n papers,il re word it, maybe he has moved since page 50 of this thread? :)
lets say he hasn't, for arguments sake, would you agree to transfer or the rules?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 07, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....
"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"
So when you say the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.
well said.f**k the begrudgers
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 07, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....
"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"
So when you say the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.
The above is a reaction to two top players both being omitted from their counties teams. On reflection, if the gaa do want to place a control on this, playing club football in the county you seek to transfer to is a reasonable control - it demonstrates some permanence and intent.
With regard to the other - he had an address in straffan, he said thats where he was living. None of us can call him a liar without incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
Eddie, in the absence of a better system, I'd go by the rules. He knows what he'd have to do.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 08, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 07, 2012, 01:22:21 PM
Ah, It was easy to find. Page 2 of this thread on 18/01. Johnson had just had his attempt to transfer to Kildare denied while trying to convince the GAA that he lived in Straffan, worked in Cavan and trained/played with Cavan Gaels. You wrote....
"Let him play wherever to f**k he wants. Why should any manager be able to completely stop his inter -co career - its a joke! Same goes for Kevin Cassidy, his inter co career could conceivably be finished, over some jumped up p***k of a manager trying to form omerta. why should the players be made suffer?"
So when you say the rules are fine as they are you mean except where Sean Johnson is concerned.
The above is a reaction to two top players both being omitted from their counties teams. On reflection, if the gaa do want to place a control on this, playing club football in the county you seek to transfer to is a reasonable control - it demonstrates some permanence and intent.
With regard to the other - he had an address in straffan, he said thats where he was living. None of us can call him a liar without incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
Eddie, in the absence of a better system, I'd go by the rules. He knows what he'd have to do.
Cavan Co Board and Cavan Gaels expressed doubts over this and so the GAA had to consider this. When they did they rejected the transfer.
Would the registered letter that was sent to Johnston's Straffin address that bounced back to Croker because there was nobody by the name of Sean Johnston living at the address count as "incontrovertible evidence"....?
It would be evidence anyway. I've been curious about that though - did it actually happen? If a registered letter isnt signed for, it may be returned, or there may be a card left for it to be collected from the po. For it to be returned with 'not known at this address' means someone else must have been living there to inform the deliverer of this. I cant see how it could have been returned with this message any other way. Postmen cant know whos living where nowadays.
In the grand scheme of things its pretty irrelevant anyway. if you've told someone you're living in straffan, and they say you're not, then you either admit to being a liar, or prove yourself to be telling the truth. If this means latterly altering your circumstances to suit your story, i.e. moving into the address you said you were living in, then thats what you'll do, so any challenge is only going to be successful if the transferee is only half hearted about the whole thing anyway.
Yes there was a couple of guys living in the address who didn't know who Sean Johnston was and informed the postman of that. Thus the letter was returned saying he was not known at the address. You said we couldn't call him a liar without evidence. It appears we have such evidence. Now he obviously changed his circumstances since, realising that he wouldn't be able to fool Croke Park so easily. But at the time the initial contention that he was living in Straffan was a lie, based on the evidence of the registered letter.
So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.
Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 08, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
It would be evidence anyway. I've been curious about that though - did it actually happen?
It did happen - I posted it here and then it was posted in the papers a few days later. 100% happened.
Quote from: hardstation on May 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.
Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.
I don't understand. People live in the address which Johnston gave. Does he just turn up and say, "I live here now"?
It's an apartment owned by a Dublin guy who's lived in Kildare for a good while now and is heavily involved in the supporters club.
Quote from: hardstation on May 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.
Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.
I don't understand. People live in the address which Johnston gave. Does he just turn up and say, "I live here now"?
If I was Johnston's mate* and I lived in the apartment, I would have told the postman the same thing.
That would be quite funny.
* I don't know if the boys living there are Seanie's mates or not.
Has there being any new info in this the whole thing is getting boring now, is there a date for the decision?
Saturday 19 May 2012 7.00pm
MDY Construction Senior Football Championship Round 1
At Clane Leixlip V St. Kevin's
If it doesn't go through before Saturday week I guess he'll be off elsewhere for the summer. I don't think there'll be another round of championship fixtures before Kildare's campaign is over.
Would the Kildare championship always start as early DH, or was it brought forward this year?
Curious about the new rule - if a young player was injured or away say, and missed their (first) club championship would that leave them ineligible for county football for another year?
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 11:17:54 AM
Curious about the new rule - if a young player was injured or away say, and missed their (first) club championship would that leave them ineligible for county football for another year?
It only applies for those who have made an IC transfer.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
yea it would, it states that any player looking a transfer would have to play for their new club in the championship in order to play for the county they transfer to.
Quote from: hardstation on May 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.
Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.
I don't understand. People live in the address which Johnston gave. Does he just turn up and say, "I live here now"?
"This is Seanie Johnstons house now. Beat it!"
Quote from: eddie d on May 09, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
yea it would, it states that any player looking a transfer would have to play for their new club in the championship in order to play for the county they transfer to.
Ffs aye that much is obvious, but when the club championship is earlier in the year than the interco championship, its not a big ask at all. If he were moving to a lot of other counties, their club championship wouldnt be starting til after the interco championship, so you'd be ruled out for a full year in effect.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
it does because if seanie doesnt play club championsip in kildare in the next 8 days he cant play for kildare this year.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2012, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
it does because if seanie doesnt play club championsip in kildare in the next 8 days he cant play for kildare this year.
Could he not play the second round of the club championship and then subsequently turn out for Kildare?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 10, 2012, 02:49:32 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 10, 2012, 09:16:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
it does because if seanie doesnt play club championsip in kildare in the next 8 days he cant play for kildare this year.
Could he not play the second round of the club championship and then subsequently turn out for Kildare?
Very unlikely to be a second round until after Kildare's summer is over. That's been the way the last few years anyway and there's one less round in the Kildare County Championship this year.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: eddie d on May 09, 2012, 04:01:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 09, 2012, 11:40:33 AM
The 1st round was in May last year as well.
So the 'Seanie Johnson rule' was never likely to have an effect on the Seanie Johnson saga.
Unless I'm missing something, this suggests either complete ineptitude on behalf of those making the rule in that they didnt make themselves aware of this (unlikely, but possible), or that they knew the rule would have no effect, and merely introuduced it to be seen to be doing something.
yea it would, it states that any player looking a transfer would have to play for their new club in the championship in order to play for the county they transfer to.
Ffs aye that much is obvious, but when the club championship is earlier in the year than the interco championship, its not a big ask at all. If he were moving to a lot of other counties, their club championship wouldnt be starting til after the interco championship, so you'd be ruled out for a full year in effect.
if its so obvious then why did u put up that it wouldnt affect sj? ( sounded like u needed it spelt out)
I was assuming the DRA appeal would be complete, and his transfer through very soon (I dont see how they can stop it). Then, as the Kildare championship is so early, he just has to play a bit in that game and thats him. It has no great effect as opposed to if he was moving to almost any other Ulster co, where the championship wouldnt start til later in the summer, so he couldnt play interco til next year.
I could be wrong about the first bit though, but surely given the conditions in place, the DRA would be under an obligation to make a decision before the match in question. If they didnt it'd be sneaky as f**k imo - avoiding a headline by continually stalling. Does anyone know the current story for certain?
Seemingly there is a meeting tonight that Gaels are supposed to be attending. IMO (I'm not in the know) this transfer WILL go through.
Elsewhere, the GAA's Central Competition Controls Committee are to decide on Seanie Johnston's proposed transfer to Kildare club St Kevin's later this week. The CCCC met again on the issue yesterday and are understood to be close to a decision.
Last chance for him now before the Kevins v Leixlip match on Saturday night. There'll be some media circus descending on Clane if he does get it.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
Elsewhere, the GAA's Central Competition Controls Committee are to decide on Seanie Johnston's proposed transfer to Kildare club St Kevin's later this week. The CCCC met again on the issue yesterday and are understood to be close to a decision.
Last chance for him now before the Kevins v Leixlip match on Saturday night. There'll be some media circus descending on Clane if he does get it.
I predict that the transfer will go through, but he won't be played in the championship game against Leixlip. Unused sub.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 15, 2012, 01:41:00 PM
Elsewhere, the GAA's Central Competition Controls Committee are to decide on Seanie Johnston's proposed transfer to Kildare club St Kevin's later this week. The CCCC met again on the issue yesterday and are understood to be close to a decision.
Last chance for him now before the Kevins v Leixlip match on Saturday night. There'll be some media circus descending on Clane if he does get it.
Yeah, the papparrazzi will probably follow him home.
I hope they've change for the M3.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 09, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.
Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.
I don't understand. People live in the address which Johnston gave. Does he just turn up and say, "I live here now"?
"This is Seanie Johnstons house now. Beat it!"
Do you think he talks about himself in the third person?
Quote from: LeoMc on May 15, 2012, 04:36:42 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 09, 2012, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 09, 2012, 09:29:06 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 09, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
So he actually gave someone elses address in straffan, someone he didnt know??! Christ.
Well then, as my second paragraph contends, it doesnt make the blindest bit of difference anyway, he just moves to where he said he lived, and says he hadnt completed the move at the time of the application, but as he knew he was moving, thats the address he put.
I don't understand. People live in the address which Johnston gave. Does he just turn up and say, "I live here now"?
See the profile of the poster Samstheaim to answer that question.
"This is Seanie Johnstons house now. Beat it!"
Do you think he talks about himself in the third person?
KfmSport@KfmSport
BREAKING: Seanie Johnston will NOT play for Kildare this year, as CCCC won't meet until Monday night, despite having all paperwork required.
I genuinely believe he hung himself with his antics at the Division 2 final.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 16, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
I genuinely believe he hung himself with his antics at the Division 2 final.
Can't have done him any favours.
Think it's for the best and Kildare football is better off without him. The likes of Dowling and Fogarty have what it takes to cut it at this level and hopefully they will be afforded the opportunity to prove themselves now.
It seems the powers that be in croke park did not want this transfer to go ahead so used sneaky tactics like postponing meetings to prevent it. It will be annoying for kildare people who want the transfer to happen and of course for his few supporters in cavan but I think the cccc have done the gaa a service by making this carry on difficult.
Thing is if he went back to his club and played ball he might be playing for cavan on Sunday
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 16, 2012, 11:37:08 PM
It seems the powers that be in croke park did not want this transfer to go ahead so used sneaky tactics like postponing meetings to prevent it. It will be annoying for kildare people who want the transfer to happen and of course for his few supporters in cavan but I think the cccc have done the gaa a service by making this carry on difficult.
Thing is if he went back to his club and played ball he might be playing for cavan on Sunday
Don't think you'll find too many of them.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 01, 2012, 11:26:27 PM
Whatever about the moral rights and wrongs of Johnson's transfer, there is a fundamental rotten egg being conveniently ignored here. that is that whether we like it or not, Johnson meets all of the GAA's own criteria for a transfer from cavan to kevins but is now being denied by a systematic evasion of due process by croke park. cancelling meetings and deferring decisions is a very small approach to dealing with any issue.
Whether you approve or not of this transfer, this is a dispicable way for the supposed standard bearers of our game to conduct their business
IF that is the end of the transfer then it's a disgraceful way to end it. He has provided all the information needed that he was asked to provide. For or Against Seanie Johnston in the transfer, he was being messed out. They will probaly grant it Monday now when its too late. ::)
Johnston may look at this long term and push through the transfer in order to be eligible for next year. Although that is dependent on how Kildare fare out this year..
I don't think the transfer should have gone through but the GAA should have either given it to him, or denied it (based on grounds of the overriding ethos of the GAA or something) Not granting it by delaying tactics was a complete cop out.
Whatever it took to incovenience the situation. Was worth it. A year to think of how much he loves his club in Cavan or not
As duffleking says, no matter whether for or against the transfer, this is an incredible way for any organisation to run their affairs. The fact that many are against it and will be be pleased with the result shouldnt detract from the fact that its a disgrace, and exposes what a joke the GAA often is.
What price a draw in the Kevins Leixlip match btw? :D That'd really f**k them up, I'd say the ref could be under orders there...!
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 08:32:51 AM
this is an incredible way for any organisation to run their affairs. The fact that many are against it and will be be pleased with the result shouldnt detract from the fact that its a disgrace, and exposes what a joke the GAA often is.
Transfer submitted, exposed as a fraud, transfer rejected in a timely fashion. Nothing to see here.
Transfer resubmitted, all his 'housemates' get their story straight, CCCC don't discuss it early enough to suit a contrived transfer. Still nothing to see here as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: heffo on May 17, 2012, 08:44:24 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 08:32:51 AM
this is an incredible way for any organisation to run their affairs. The fact that many are against it and will be be pleased with the result shouldnt detract from the fact that its a disgrace, and exposes what a joke the GAA often is.
Transfer submitted, exposed as a fraud, transfer rejected in a timely fashion. Nothing to see here.
Transfer resubmitted, all his 'housemates' get their story straight, CCCC don't discuss it early enough to suit a contrived transfer. Still nothing to see here as far as I'm concerned.
Agree wholeheartedly. Few posters here think the organisation is here for wee Seanie to bend the rules.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 08:32:51 AM
As duffleking says, no matter whether for or against the transfer, this is an incredible way for any organisation to run their affairs. The fact that many are against it and will be be pleased with the result shouldnt detract from the fact that its a disgrace, and exposes what a joke the GAA often is.
What price a draw in the Kevins Leixlip match btw? :D That'd really f**k them up, I'd say the ref could be under orders there...!
Mightnt be the most perfect policing of the situation or as perfect as you could have done, but if guys act outside the ethos of the GAA, or try to manipulate the good faith of the organisation, I couldnt give one toss what you think this is great news, everyone with a modicum of intelligence has a fair idea on what is happening here, it may have happened before but this has been brazenly anti GAA. Today it appears to be about a fella not making his own county set up and taking the hump, but how long before we see the first Tevez type trying this crap ie "incentivised" transfers. Kildare County Team set up and Mc Geeney in particular deserve your double barrells. Wasnt Mc Geeney a pretty high profile GPA member, I wonder would they get involved in something like this, and why dont they nail their colours to the mast. Theres as many as 6 full timers in an office in Croke Park running the GPA. What is their view on this?
If sj is bending the rules why don't our cccc have the balls to trust their own system?
I couldn't care less about sj but I could care little more that the committee tasked with handling the discipline & organization of the games in my name have no integrity. Its one thing a particular player behaving like a mercenary or low down dirty scoundrel but its another for the cccc- under the direction I presume of liam O'Neill- to be no better than that.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 17, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
If sj is bending the rules why don't our cccc have the balls to trust their own system?
They did trust their own system - they adjudicated on the application and rejected it.
That's a nice comfort blanket to cling to but the reality is we wouldn't have this charade if sj hadn't learned something from that first application which has obviously made this second one uncomfortable for croke park. Its plainly a seperate application
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 17, 2012, 12:38:49 AM
IF that is the end of the transfer then it's a disgraceful way to end it. He has provided all the information needed that he was asked to provide. For or Against Seanie Johnston in the transfer, he was being messed out. They will probaly grant it Monday now when its too late. ::)
Sometimes, in order to do good it is necessary to do some small evil.
This was a necessary 'small' evil in my view.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 17, 2012, 10:14:36 AM
Its plainly a seperate application
The only difference this time around is that everyone on the Kildare side got their story straight and it was assisted by a fake lease courtesy of the Kildare supporters club.
There is a lot of talk of sneaky tactics here but is there any word on why the meeting was postponed?
IF SJ wants his transfer and has his paperwork in order then let him go and play club football in Kildare. He can put in the effort with his new club to make their championship team for next year instead of parachuting in at the last minute and depriving some lad from Straffen the chance to play this weekend.
I have to say I'm on the side of the Johnstonites on this one. I think the transfer is wrong, and an affront to what the ethos of the GAA is. I think that certain people in Kildare need to look at themselves, and my gut feel is that it's a sham arrangement designed to tick the boxes.
*However*, all that being said, if Johnston and Kildare have adhered to the applicable rules, and if he can show that he actually does live in Kildare now and that he is transferring club as well as county, then the transfer should be allowed through.
If he meets the rules you have no other choice. If the rules are not strong enough, then change the rules to stop it happening again.
This appears like a cop out. "The meeting won't happen until after the first game, sorry about that." Was the meeting originally fixed for this week?
I'm glad that what appears to be a mercenary transfer won't happen, but I think the GAA are totally wrong in how it has finished up.
If you say so heffo but how are we to know that?
County boards up and down the country who are already quangoesque in their behaviour have just been given license from the top to do as they please. We're already a big enough shambles in those areas
Quote from: LeoMc on May 17, 2012, 10:25:14 AM
IF SJ wants his transfer and has his paperwork in order then let him go and play club football in Kildare. He can put in the effort with his new club to make their championship team for next year instead of parachuting in at the last minute and depriving some lad from Straffen the chance to play this weekend.
He's not wanting to transfer to Straffan, St Kevins are a 20 min drive away from Straffan! He wanted initially to remain a Cavan Gaels player and declare for Kildare at the same time. When that was shot down this convenient move to St Kevins (same club as Niall Carew) emerged.
If the transfer goes ahead after the Kevins/Leixlip match in Clane on Saturday he can play away for the remainder of the county league and championship but he cannot play for Kildare this summer because he won't have played in the Kildare club championship. The second round of the county championship in Kildare won't be played until after the county team's campaign is over.
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
You would imagine Kildare County board would pressure Leixlip into changing the game to another date to accommodate the transfer. Obviously Leixlip would hardly agree to that as it would be of no benefit to them but its not just St Kevins Johnston wants to play for. If leixlip were happy with Johnston playing with Kildare they could possibly change it, highly unlikely at this stage though since the game is Saturday.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 17, 2012, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 17, 2012, 10:25:14 AM
IF SJ wants his transfer and has his paperwork in order then let him go and play club football in Kildare. He can put in the effort with his new club to make their championship team for next year instead of parachuting in at the last minute and depriving some lad from Straffen the chance to play this weekend.
He's not wanting to transfer to Straffan, St Kevins are a 20 min drive away from Straffan! He wanted initially to remain a Cavan Gaels player and declare for Kildare at the same time. When that was shot down this convenient move to St Kevins (same club as Niall Carew) emerged.
If the transfer goes ahead after the Kevins/Leixlip match in Clane on Saturday he can play away for the remainder of the county league and championship but he cannot play for Kildare this summer because he won't have played in the Kildare club championship. The second round of the county championship in Kildare won't be played until after the county team's campaign is over.
Seeing as McGeeney obviously wants to get Seanie on board would he not be able to exert his influence and have a second round of championship games scheduled as soon as Seanie's club transfer goes through? I don't think we've heard the last of Seanie for this summer anyway.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
AZ, firstly I am against SJ.
Now where was this ethos with Thomas Walsh, Niall Browne and more recently Enda Williams or Declan Brennan. Where was this ethos when Karl O'Dwyer played for Kildare or Larry Tompkins for Cork or Declan D'Arcy for Leitrim. Where was this ethos when half the Laois Senior Squad was playing in Dublin? It doesn't exist and is just a romantic notion that is pedaled out in cases like this.
Very well articulated. He has also the freedom to choose what he wants do to outside the GAA, ie play soccor for whoever he wants. Kildare Town FC might be the handy choice within his locality and there would be the added carrot of a few pound. Rugby as well let you pick your club and if hes prepared to really travel further than Straffan Australian rules might also be an opportunity. Theres so many great opportunities albeit outside GAA for a cub these days and particularly if you are prepared to travel. But sadly the GAA structure rightly or wrongly tries to stop opportunistic transfers so its the wrong organisation for some.
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 17, 2012, 11:28:16 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 17, 2012, 11:19:18 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 17, 2012, 10:25:14 AM
IF SJ wants his transfer and has his paperwork in order then let him go and play club football in Kildare. He can put in the effort with his new club to make their championship team for next year instead of parachuting in at the last minute and depriving some lad from Straffen the chance to play this weekend.
He's not wanting to transfer to Straffan, St Kevins are a 20 min drive away from Straffan! He wanted initially to remain a Cavan Gaels player and declare for Kildare at the same time. When that was shot down this convenient move to St Kevins (same club as Niall Carew) emerged.
If the transfer goes ahead after the Kevins/Leixlip match in Clane on Saturday he can play away for the remainder of the county league and championship but he cannot play for Kildare this summer because he won't have played in the Kildare club championship. The second round of the county championship in Kildare won't be played until after the county team's campaign is over.
Seeing as McGeeney obviously wants to get Seanie on board would he not be able to exert his influence and have a second round of championship games scheduled as soon as Seanie's club transfer goes through? I don't think we've heard the last of Seanie for this summer anyway.
The clubs will never agree to it now. The structure of the Kildare championship has changed this year and under the new system if you lose in the first and second round then you are gone. No club will want to risk being out of the county championship by mid-June. Lads would lose interest and the county league would turn into a farce.
Not a hope Leixlip will agree to delaying the match on Saturday and rightly so. They're warm favourites to beat Kevins as it stands so they'll hardly want to face them with Johnston in tow. The only hope he has is if there's a draw on Saturday night (replay would take place next Wednesday) but the CCCC would probably just postpone the meeting scheduled on Monday night again.
It's kind of ironic that the scheduling of the Kildare championship is preventing this from going through because it's largely down to McGeeney that it isn't run off while the county team are still involved in the All-Ireland.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
Ahem. :P
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
AZ, firstly I am against SJ.
Now where was this ethos with Thomas Walsh, Niall Browne and more recently Enda Williams or Declan Brennan. Where was this ethos when Karl O'Dwyer played for Kildare or Larry Tompkins for Cork or Declan D'Arcy for Leitrim. Where was this ethos when half the Laois Senior Squad was playing in Dublin? It doesn't exist and is just a romantic notion that is pedaled out in cases like this.
Most of those are wrong Dinny. But is it not better to enforce the rule and ethos rather than turn a blind eye to it? We all give out about this, and yet when it suits lads they are delighted.
If a fella moves to an area and transfers, I have no problem with that. That is by definition an attachment.
Karl O'Dwyer was living and working in Kildare I thought?
Juat because some lads try to flaunt the rules doesn't mean the rule or ethos is unworthy. Stand up for the rules I say.
But if a lad meets the rules, then let him off.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on May 17, 2012, 11:47:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
Ahem. :P
Born in Dublin, raised in Offaly :D
Quote from: J OGorman on May 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
Nonsense. The €300k was simply an advance on money that was going to be paid to KCB anyway. The players funded their trip to Portugal through their grant money and various other fundraising efforts. They also didn't go on a holiday last winter (unlike plenty of other county teams) so they could take that training trip to Portugal.
Although the money being spent on county teams these days is far too high, it is not the reason for KCB's financial issues. The repayments on the €3.5m centre of excellence at Hawkfield are the root cause of the current debt.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
AZ, firstly I am against SJ.
Now where was this ethos with Thomas Walsh, Niall Browne and more recently Enda Williams or Declan Brennan. Where was this ethos when Karl O'Dwyer played for Kildare or Larry Tompkins for Cork or Declan D'Arcy for Leitrim. Where was this ethos when half the Laois Senior Squad was playing in Dublin? It doesn't exist and is just a romantic notion that is pedaled out in cases like this.
Most of those are wrong Dinny. But is it not better to enforce the rule and ethos rather than turn a blind eye to it? We all give out about this, and yet when it suits lads they are delighted.
Of course it is but how can you talk about ethics in this case when it has been blatantly ignored for years, it is not ethos it's hypocrisy.
QuoteKarl O'Dwyer was living and working in Kildare I thought?
Oh you romantic, he moved to Kildare then got a job teaching, played intermediate and then moved to senior club, difference though he was discarded by Kerry and not rated as highly as SJ, Karl though has settled in Kildare can't see Seanie settling down somehow. Social media, the modern media and the internet has changed this kind of game and the GAA are playing catch up when for years it was easier to ignore.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 17, 2012, 11:51:46 AM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
Nonsense. The €300k was simply an advance on money that was going to be paid to KCB anyway. The players funded their trip to Portugal through their grant money and various other fundraising efforts. They also didn't go on a holiday last winter (unlike plenty of other county teams) so they could take that training trip to Portugal.
Although the money being spent on county teams these days is far too high, it is not the reason for KCB's financial issues. The repayments on the €3.5m centre of excellence at Hawkfield are the root cause of the current debt.
Stopping introducing facts DH, ignorance is a much better form of argument.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:58:01 AM
QuoteKarl O'Dwyer was living and working in Kildare I thought?
Oh you romantic, he moved to Kildare then got a job teaching, played intermediate and then moved to senior club, difference though he was discarded by Kerry and not rated as highly as SJ, Karl though has settled in Kildare can't see Seanie settling down somehow. Social media, the modern media and the internet has changed this kind of game and the GAA are playing catch up when for years it was easier to ignore.
How long was Karl with Rathangan for? I think Micko owned the garage on the Allen side of the village. He probably still does!!
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos.
And I'll also try to keep it simple. The bit in bold is a worthwhile ethos, and one certainly worth standing by. But it no longer exists, so theres nothing to stand by.
An ethos is a fundamental value. There can be very few reasons for changing a fundamental value, and no reasons whatsoever for the organisation which supposedly has at their core this fundamental value, to actually contradict it. By doing so, no matter about the reasoning behind it, they have demonstrated, that it actually isnt their ethos, and lost any credibility they may have had when they try to reclaim this ethos later, as in the SJ saga.
Any reasons for the contradiction of what may previously have been an ethos are irrelevant, the fact remains that it was to be a
fundamental value, and as such, something the organisation stood by in the face of all else.
Btw, hurling isnt any big 'bugbear' of mine - it should appear obvious that I've quoted it often purely because its just the most simple example for me to use, and doesnt involve getting into the ins and outs of individual cases (see what happened above with those cases dinny mentioned). You also appear to be saying, or at least implying in that paragraph that the ethos isnt as important as long as the traffic is from stronger to weaker counties. If this is the case, when you read it back I hope the ridiculousness of that isnt lost on you.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
AZ, firstly I am against SJ.
Now where was this ethos with Thomas Walsh, Niall Browne and more recently Enda Williams or Declan Brennan. Where was this ethos when Karl O'Dwyer played for Kildare or Larry Tompkins for Cork or Declan D'Arcy for Leitrim. Where was this ethos when half the Laois Senior Squad was playing in Dublin? It doesn't exist and is just a romantic notion that is pedaled out in cases like this.
Most of those are wrong Dinny. But is it not better to enforce the rule and ethos rather than turn a blind eye to it? We all give out about this, and yet when it suits lads they are delighted.
Of course it is but how can you talk about ethics in this case when it has been blatantly ignored for years, it is not ethos it's hypocrisy.
QuoteKarl O'Dwyer was living and working in Kildare I thought?
Oh you romantic, he moved to Kildare then got a job teaching, played intermediate and then moved to senior club, difference though he was discarded by Kerry and not rated as highly as SJ, Karl though has settled in Kildare can't see Seanie settling down somehow. Social media, the modern media and the internet has changed this kind of game and the GAA are playing catch up when for years it was easier to ignore.
Ethos is Ethos. There are thousands and thousands of players throughout the country. Most of them abide by this ethos, and in fact a lot of them go to huge lengths to stay with their home club. We are talking about a tiny, high profile, minority. They cannot set the ethos, the majority set the ethos.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:58:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:43:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
It'd be great, and I'd vastly prefer it, if the whole affair had never happened, and if Johnson was playing with Cavan this weekend. But it has happened, and its just a joke that an organisation the size of the GAA has to resort to tactics like this because they've realised they dont actually know what to f**k they're doing.
And all that talk about ethos is bollocks, so please either desist or explain how it tallies with countless other players who are allowed to transfer, and players from stronger hurling counties being actually encouraged to transfer!! It would actually be a good ethos, but the fact of the matter is, it isnt one! The whole things a balls, but this latest episode starts to comfirm suspicions that the whole organisation is a balls.
OK. I'll try and make it simple for you.
The ethos of the GAA is that you play for the club and county where you were born and raised. You are supposed to feel a sense of identity for those with whom you play, and those whom you represent.
In certain circumstances people may change their club, based on their residency, and in doing so may decide to also represent that county or may retain allegience to their initial county.
In all these cases there *must* be an attachment to the club and county they want to represent. Allowing 'Free Movement' is the antithesis of this ethos.
Now, your big bugbear. Hurling. You are absolutely right in that the programme to allow certain hurlers represent other counties *does* fly in the face of this ethos. It absolutely does. However, it was initiated as a programme to help the counties involved, which were certainly in the lower tiers and weaker counties. It was and is a special circumstance designed to spread the gospel of hurling. It is almost the opposite of the Seanie Johnston Saga because in this case a player from a 'weaker' county is joining a 'stronger' one, at least in perception.
So while the hurling is definitely an approved exception, the ethos is still very much as I described.
AZ, firstly I am against SJ.
Now where was this ethos with Thomas Walsh, Niall Browne and more recently Enda Williams or Declan Brennan. Where was this ethos when Karl O'Dwyer played for Kildare or Larry Tompkins for Cork or Declan D'Arcy for Leitrim. Where was this ethos when half the Laois Senior Squad was playing in Dublin? It doesn't exist and is just a romantic notion that is pedaled out in cases like this.
Most of those are wrong Dinny. But is it not better to enforce the rule and ethos rather than turn a blind eye to it? We all give out about this, and yet when it suits lads they are delighted.
Of course it is but how can you talk about ethics in this case when it has been blatantly ignored for years, it is not ethos it's hypocrisy.
QuoteKarl O'Dwyer was living and working in Kildare I thought?
Oh you romantic, he moved to Kildare then got a job teaching, played intermediate and then moved to senior club, difference though he was discarded by Kerry and not rated as highly as SJ, Karl though has settled in Kildare can't see Seanie settling down somehow. Social media, the modern media and the internet has changed this kind of game and the GAA are playing catch up when for years it was easier to ignore.
Ethos is Ethos. There are thousands and thousands of players throughout the country. Most of them abide by this ethos, and in fact a lot of them go to huge lengths to stay with their home club. We are talking about a tiny, high profile, minority. They cannot set the ethos, the majority set the ethos.
But surely it has to be absolute else the ethos no longer exists.
The second round is bound to be brought forward. I can't see McGeeney just giving up like that since the CCC decided they would leave the meeting till after the first round this Saturday. It's been going n for over six months and i don't think it will end that easily, he will be a Kildare player yet...
QuoteEthos (play /ˈiːθɒs/ or /ˈiːθoʊs/) is a Greek word meaning "character" that is used to describe the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, nation, or ideology.
Thanks wikipedia :)
I believe ethos is the correct word. It is the guiding belief that characterises the ideology of the GAA. That some choose to try to go against that ethos does not make it any less of a guiding principle.
But as I've said, if the rules have been met, the rules which are supposed to ensure this ethos is adhered to, then so be it.
I think 'spirit of the rules' might be a better phrase than 'ethos' to define what people are concerned about. Everybody understands the spirit of the club/county allegiance rule and the reasons for it as articulated by AZOffaly. The great majority of GAA members agree with it.
The hurling exception introduced to improve the standard of the game in weaker counties is in no way comparable to the chicanery indulged in by Johnston, Walsh and the like. It was a duly instituted rule, approved by the membership, to set aside temporarily the allegiance rule for a greater good. To try to use it as a precedent to justify a free-for-all in allowing people to play for whomever they want is ridiculous.
There are degrees of legitimacy apparent in the best-known cases of inter-county transfers, from fully legitimate to dodgy to downright barefaced taking the piss. The GAA has to hold the pass. The letter of the law is really the only weapon it has. The spirit of the law is what the chancers screw around with. It's disappointing to see an iconic figure like McGeeney aligning himself with the chancers and trying to buy success like that is really missing the whole point of what he's supposed to be doing.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 17, 2012, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 17, 2012, 11:58:01 AM
QuoteKarl O'Dwyer was living and working in Kildare I thought?
Oh you romantic, he moved to Kildare then got a job teaching, played intermediate and then moved to senior club, difference though he was discarded by Kerry and not rated as highly as SJ, Karl though has settled in Kildare can't see Seanie settling down somehow. Social media, the modern media and the internet has changed this kind of game and the GAA are playing catch up when for years it was easier to ignore.
How long was Karl with Rathangan for? I think Micko owned the garage on the Allen side of the village. He probably still does!!
3 years, in fairness he was living in Kildare Town when joined Towers won a county championship with us in 2003.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Ethos is Ethos. There are thousands and thousands of players throughout the country. Most of them abide by this ethos, and in fact a lot of them go to huge lengths to stay with their home club. We are talking about a tiny, high profile, minority. They cannot set the ethos, the majority set the ethos.
Its the GAAs ethos, not the individuals belonging to it. They set it, and they're reposnsible for maintaining it. Clearly, its not that important to them in some cases, so they cant claim it to be in others.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 17, 2012, 12:27:44 PM
The second round is bound to be brought forward. I can't see McGeeney just giving up like that since the CCC decided they would leave the meeting till after the first round this Saturday. It's been going n for over six months and i don't think it will end that easily, he will be a Kildare player yet...
Clubs would have to agree to that which they won't for the reasons I've outlined above.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 17, 2012, 12:27:44 PM
The second round is bound to be brought forward. I can't see McGeeney just giving up like that since the CCC decided they would leave the meeting till after the first round this Saturday. It's been going n for over six months and i don't think it will end that easily, he will be a Kildare player yet...
Rodney you plonker, that question has already been asked and DH has answered it here http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20986.msg1112245#msg1112245 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20986.msg1112245#msg1112245)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
QuoteEthos (play /ˈiːθɒs/ or /ˈiːθoʊs/) is a Greek word meaning "character" that is used to describe the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, nation, or ideology.
Thanks wikipedia :)
I believe ethos is the correct word. It is the guiding belief that characterises the ideology of the GAA. That some choose to try to go against that ethos does not make it any less of a guiding principle.
You seem to be missing the point entirely - it is the GAA themselves who have went against their ethos, or guiding principle, so that does indeed make it less of a guiding principle.
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
I think 'spirit of the rules' might be a better phrase than 'ethos' to define what people are concerned about. Everybody understands the spirit of the club/county allegiance rule and the reasons for it as articulated by AZOffaly. The great majority of GAA members agree with it.
The hurling exception introduced to improve the standard of the game in weaker counties is in no way comparable to the chicanery indulged in by Johnston, Walsh and the like. It was a duly instituted rule, approved by the membership, to set aside temporarily the allegiance rule for a greater good. To try to use it as a precedent to justify a free-for-all in allowing people to play for whomever they want is ridiculous.
There are degrees of legitimacy apparent in the best-known cases of inter-county transfers, from fully legitimate to dodgy to downright barefaced taking the piss. The GAA has to hold the pass. The letter of the law is really the only weapon it has. The spirit of the law is what the chancers screw around with. It's disappointing to see an iconic figure like McGeeney aligning himself with the chancers and trying to buy success like that is really missing the whole point of what he's supposed to be doing.
As mentioned before, there is a former Down hurler playing for Armagh. He still plays for his club in Down. This would not be anything to do with the weaker/stronger county situation. So if this was allowed why should Johnson's move not be? Simply because of his profile? I am sure that there are other examples of this happening too. I know a fella who plays for a club in Tyrone but played for Donegal last year.
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
The hurling exception introduced to improve the standard of the game in weaker counties is in no way comparable to the chicanery indulged in by Johnston, Walsh and the like. It was a duly instituted rule, approved by the membership, to set aside temporarily the allegiance rule for a greater good. To try to use it as a precedent to justify a free-for-all in allowing people to play for whomever they want is ridiculous.
In relation to the bit in bold - It may be 'morally' superior, but its still just as much a breach of an'ethos' which is my point - the whole ethos talk is absolute bullshit.
With regard to the enlarged bit - whos seeking to do that??
We will see then if it is moved or not then despite what you said.. What other County plays a first round game in the middle of May and the Second Round in August, the 13th i think is the date. That is ridiculous.. giving leeway for the county team is one way but winning one game and waiting 3 months gearing up for the second game doesn't make sense.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 17, 2012, 01:43:08 PM
We will see then if it is moved or not then despite what you said.. What other County plays a first round game in the middle of May and the Second Round in August, the 13th i think is the date. That is ridiculous.. giving leeway for the county team is one way but winning one game and waiting 3 months gearing up for the second game doesn't make sense.
Welcome to Kildare....
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 01:33:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
QuoteEthos (play /ˈiːθɒs/ or /ˈiːθoʊs/) is a Greek word meaning "character" that is used to describe the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, nation, or ideology.
Thanks wikipedia :)
I believe ethos is the correct word. It is the guiding belief that characterises the ideology of the GAA. That some choose to try to go against that ethos does not make it any less of a guiding principle.
You seem to be missing the point entirely - it is the GAA themselves who have went against their ethos, or guiding principle, so that does indeed make it less of a guiding principle.
Not missing the point at all. As I've said, the vast majority, thousands and thousands adhere and subscribe to this ethos. Just because a few high profile cases have been allowed to slip through does not change the way the 'GAA' (which is every member in the country) feel as a whole.
I have said that if the rules have been met, then the transfer should be allowed. If they feel it contravenes the spirit of the law, to use Hardy's phrase, then they need to tighten up the letter of the law.
There's no doubt that those in power can do things to suit themselves at various times, but that does NOT mean that the guiding principle should be abandoned.
Explain how Fergal McNulty can play club football for Urney in Tyrone but play county football for Donegal but Seanie Johnston can't play for Cavan Gaels and Kildare?
#menotunderstand
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 01:33:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
QuoteEthos (play /ˈiːθɒs/ or /ˈiːθoʊs/) is a Greek word meaning "character" that is used to describe the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, nation, or ideology.
Thanks wikipedia :)
I believe ethos is the correct word. It is the guiding belief that characterises the ideology of the GAA. That some choose to try to go against that ethos does not make it any less of a guiding principle.
You seem to be missing the point entirely - it is the GAA themselves who have went against their ethos, or guiding principle, so that does indeed make it less of a guiding principle.
Not missing the point at all. As I've said, the vast majority, thousands and thousands adhere and subscribe to this ethos. Just because a few high profile cases have been allowed to slip through does not change the way the 'GAA' (which is every member in the country) feel as a whole.
What ethos? There is nothing to subscribe to. And it isnt a 'few high profile cases' which have been allowed to slip through - there have been many, and many have been actively encouraged.
With regard to those in power doing what suits them, but this shouldnt change the guiding principle, nice thought, but of course it affects it. If they started paying players tomorrow I think that would affect the amateur ethos, dont you?
Graffiti from a different time stated 'When those who make the law, break the law, in the name of the law, there is no law'. Substitute 'ethos' for 'law' and it seems apt in this circumstance.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
The hurling exception introduced to improve the standard of the game in weaker counties is in no way comparable to the chicanery indulged in by Johnston, Walsh and the like. It was a duly instituted rule, approved by the membership, to set aside temporarily the allegiance rule for a greater good. To try to use it as a precedent to justify a free-for-all in allowing people to play for whomever they want is ridiculous.
In relation to the bit in bold - It may be 'morally' superior, but its still just as much a breach of an'ethos' which is my point - the whole ethos talk is absolute bullshit.
With regard to the enlarged bit - whos seeking to do that??
You, I thought:
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants....
:D
Seriously, haranguerer, I'm losing track of your argument. Should we have allegiance rules or not? Are you arguing against the letter of the rule or the whole principle? What's the point of mentioning the hurling derogation if it's not to use it as a precedent to abandoning all rules of allegiance? What do you think should have happened to Johnston's application when it was returned "not known at this address"?
Quote from: Hashtag on May 17, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Explain how Fergal McNulty can play club football for Urney in Tyrone but play county football for Donegal but Seanie Johnston can't play for Cavan Gaels and Kildare?
#menotunderstand
I don't know his circumstances but either
a) He is from Donegal, and has transferred clubs to Urney in Tyrone. or
b) He has been allowed play for Donegal due to a parentage exception.
Seanie had no attachment to Kildare at all. If he moves club, then all is kosher, because to move club, he'll have to prove he is living there.
Quote from: J OGorman on May 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
I've been saying this for years.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
I've been saying this for years.
It could be the last ingredient in the recipe for success. Teams people like don't win stuff.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Hashtag on May 17, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Explain how Fergal McNulty can play club football for Urney in Tyrone but play county football for Donegal but Seanie Johnston can't play for Cavan Gaels and Kildare?
#menotunderstand
I don't know his circumstances but either
a) He is from Donegal, and has transferred clubs to Urney in Tyrone. or
b) He has been allowed play for Donegal due to a parentage exception.
Seanie had no attachment to Kildare at all. If he moves club, then all is kosher, because to move club, he'll have to prove he is living there.
I think the fact that he is from Donegal is why, although I think he has always played with them. How is your fella McGrattan from Portaferry allowed to play hurling with Armagh?
over the years lots of mayo Players have played with dublin ( and others) and continued to play for mayo conor mortimer at the moment for example its a neccary part of living in a county with high migration rates
and if a player moves lock stock and barrel the he of course should be allowed to change county too but the CCCC are dead right not to go out of their way for some one who is doing his best to circumanvigate the rules . indeed i would be more upset if they held a special meeting to facillitate such chicanery .
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 02:14:29 PM
You, I thought:
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants....
:D
Seriously, haranguerer, I'm losing track of your argument. Should we have allegiance rules or not? Are you arguing against the letter of the rule of the whole principle? What's the point of mentioning the hurling derogation if it's not to use it as a precedent to abandoning all rules of allegiance? What do you think should have happened to Johnston's application when it was returned "not known at this address"?
Whether or not we have allegiance rules is irrelevant to this argument. I've pointed out that we for all intents and purposes dont actually have such rules, or at least they certainly arent enforced (which amounts to the same thing). In some cases (which is where the hurling came into it) breaking such 'rules' (described as a key ethos of the whole association no less) is actively encouraged. I never sought to use the hurling as a precedent for letting everyone go anywhere, rather I am pointing to it to demonstrate how ridiculous and redundant the 'ethos' 'argument' is in the SJ saga, and no matter how worthwhile the intention, its certainly relevant from that aspect. Its the hypocrisy of the whole thing which is galling - ones wringing hands about ethos etc etc when if it was someone transferring from westmeath to leitrim, or fermanagh to carlow there wouldnt be a word said.
Quote from: Hashtag on May 17, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Explain how Fergal McNulty can play club football for Urney in Tyrone but play county football for Donegal but Seanie Johnston can't play for Cavan Gaels and Kildare?
#menotunderstand
Does the Urney parish not extend into Donegal?
I don't think Cavan Gaels patch extends into Kildare.
Connor Gough played with Armagh Minors last year and since switched to Down. He played on the Armagh Minor team that was beaten by Cavan last year in the Minor final, he was involved with Down seniors this year in the Mckenna Cup and league. So much for ethos surrounding that transfer.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2012, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2012, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Hashtag on May 17, 2012, 01:58:53 PM
Explain how Fergal McNulty can play club football for Urney in Tyrone but play county football for Donegal but Seanie Johnston can't play for Cavan Gaels and Kildare?
#menotunderstand
I don't know his circumstances but either
a) He is from Donegal, and has transferred clubs to Urney in Tyrone. or
b) He has been allowed play for Donegal due to a parentage exception.
Seanie had no attachment to Kildare at all. If he moves club, then all is kosher, because to move club, he'll have to prove he is living there.
I think the fact that he is from Donegal is why, although I think he has always played with them. How is your fella McGrattan from Portaferry allowed to play hurling with Armagh?
He lives in Armagh and has done for a while. He traveled to Portaferry for club games but played intercounty for Armagh hurlers.
Not sure if it was using that rule where hurlers from stronger counties living in other counties could play for the county and also their home club.
I think there were a few Tipp lads playing for Kildare hurlers in the chrsity Ring a few years back, no sure now though.
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
I've been saying this for years.
It could be the last ingredient in the recipe for success. Teams people like don't win stuff.
Hmmm.... I dunno.
People didn't like us back in the day but they damn well respected us.
Do people respect Kildare?
'Hmmm.... I dunno.
People didn't like us back in the day but they damn well respected us.
Do people respect Kildare?'
Well given that Kildare have beaten Meath 5 times in past 2 years , Id say Banty and Big Joe and the lads might 'respect' them
Quote from: haranguerer on May 17, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 02:14:29 PM
You, I thought:
Quote from: haranguerer on January 18, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Let him play wherever to f**k he wants....
:D
Seriously, haranguerer, I'm losing track of your argument. Should we have allegiance rules or not? Are you arguing against the letter of the rule of the whole principle? What's the point of mentioning the hurling derogation if it's not to use it as a precedent to abandoning all rules of allegiance? What do you think should have happened to Johnston's application when it was returned "not known at this address"?
Whether or not we have allegiance rules is irrelevant to this argument. I've pointed out that we for all intents and purposes dont actually have such rules, or at least they certainly arent enforced (which amounts to the same thing). In some cases (which is where the hurling came into it) breaking such 'rules' (described as a key ethos of the whole association no less) is actively encouraged. I never sought to use the hurling as a precedent for letting everyone go anywhere, rather I am pointing to it to demonstrate how ridiculous and redundant the 'ethos' 'argument' is in the SJ saga, and no matter how worthwhile the intention, its certainly relevant from that aspect. Its the hypocrisy of the whole thing which is galling - ones wringing hands about ethos etc etc when if it was someone transferring from westmeath to leitrim, or fermanagh to carlow there wouldnt be a word said.
You haven't answered my questions at all. To say that "whether or not we have allegiance rules is irrelevant to the argument" doesn't make any sense. Even if it is irrelevant, humour me - should we or should we not regulate who can play where and for whom?
If you think we shouldn't, there's not much more to say. I couldn't disagree more and we would never agree.
If you think we should, it's a debate about what the rules should be and how they should be applied. If you're saying there's a problem of consistency, I'd agree. But that's not a justification for letting Seánie, or anyone else, play where they want until we reach 100% consistency in the application of the rules. On the contrary, that's a recipe for chaos.
I think you're grossly overstating the situation to say:
Quote...for all intents and purposes dont actually have such rules, or at least they certainly arent enforced (which amounts to the same thing).
I'd say we really only hear about the anomalies. There are lads transferring all over the place, week after week as they move house, change jobs, etc. I'd say 90% of them operate within the rules, live where they say they live and want to play wherever they move to, rather than moving (or pretending to move) to where they want to play. And, though I can't prove it, I'd say as many lads get refused for not meeting the requirement as get away with it.
You don't suspend all laws and empty the jails just because a minority of people get away with crimes.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2012, 04:39:13 PM
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 17, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
Quote from: J OGorman on May 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Bottom line, is McGeeney's approach to county football, or should I say, his uber professional approach not detrimental to both the GAA and Kildare? Kildare are fast becoming the most disliked team in the land. The county board is into the eyeballs giving McGeeney and his backroom team everything their hearts desire. They get a €300k handout from Croke Pk and a few days later jet off to Portugal (and no-one is buying the players paid for it cr&p). Seriously, what planet are these people living on?? The country's on its knees, unemployment is through the roof, most folk dont have the money to scratch their holes, yet a county team up to its oxters heads off for 10 days warm weather training, crazy. Added to that, this dubious transfer and approaches to other players, imo whats going in Kildare is completely against what the GAA should be about
Even if Kildare did win the All-Ireland, would it really be all worth it? County board bankrupt, reputation in tatters
What price a Sam Maguire?
I've been saying this for years.
It could be the last ingredient in the recipe for success. Teams people like don't win stuff.
Hmmm.... I dunno.
People didn't like us back in the day but they damn well respected us.
Do people respect Kildare?
I'd say Kildare are respectable enough but I doubt if anyone fears them. Fear is the thing.
Quote from: LilySavage on May 17, 2012, 04:58:37 PM
'Hmmm.... I dunno.
People didn't like us back in the day but they damn well respected us.
Do people respect Kildare?'
Well given that Kildare have beaten Meath 5 times in past 2 years , Id say Banty and Big Joe and the lads might 'respect' them
You'd want to be setting your sights a bit higher than that!
Quote from: Hardy on May 17, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
You haven't answered my questions at all. To say that "whether or not we have allegiance rules is irrelevant to the argument" doesn't make any sense. Even if it is irrelevant, humour me - should we or should we not regulate who can play where and for whom?
If you think we shouldn't, there's not much more to say. I couldn't disagree more and we would never agree.
If you think we should, it's a debate about what the rules should be and how they should be applied. If you're saying there's a problem of consistency, I'd agree. But that's not a justification for letting Seánie, or anyone else, play where they want until we reach 100% consistency in the application of the rules. On the contrary, that's a recipe for chaos.
I think you're grossly overstating the situation to say:Quote...for all intents and purposes dont actually have such rules, or at least they certainly arent enforced (which amounts to the same thing).
I'd say we really only hear about the anomalies. There are lads transferring all over the place, week after week as they move house, change jobs, etc. I'd say 90% of them operate within the rules, live where they say they live and want to play wherever they move to, rather than moving (or pretending to move) to where they want to play. And, though I can't prove it, I'd say as many lads get refused for not meeting the requirement as get away with it.
You don't suspend all laws and empty the jails just because a minority of people get away with crimes.
I didnt answer your question because you led on to them as though my answers had an effect on this issue - they dont. I wanted to keep it seperate because it is irrelevant in as much that this is a transfer in todays conditions, with the rules and precedents as they are at present - having a discussion about allegiance rules is very much like talking about whether or not the door should be closed after all the horses have bolted, and this particular discussion is about what we should do with the one we have left. This isnt a debate about what the rules should be and how they should be applied - this is a debate about SJs transfer.
You appear to be making the argument that just because there has been a lack of consistency doesnt mean the rules shouldnt be applied. On the contrary, inconsistent rules simply cant be enforcable. The (rightfully felt) sense of injustice by those who are treated differently from others makes a mockery of the entire rules, process, and organisation. How would you feel if you were in a line of cars travelling along at 50mph and you were the only one pulled in for speeding? Would an answer of 'yeah, well we know its not great, but we're just implementing it now' satisfy? Would it f**k. The rules must be made consistent
before they can be enforced properly - consistency must be the cornerstone of any set of rules. So, gven that a whole lot of stock hadnt been placed in the rules previously, the guiding principle in this issue should have been consistency.
In answer to your question (I already answered the hurling one, and the other two are pretty much covered together), I think there should be rules governing who can play where, and for whom. I think the basics of the rules we currently have are adequate. However, they need to be properly enforced. I think all those stupid bullshit get out clauses invented by the GAA which are plainly inconsistent should be got rid of. No hurlers playing for weaker counties, no parentage rule - its bad enough in international soccer, but in a country the size of Ireland its a joke. Transfers within counties should be particularly closely looked at - players are often encouraged by co mgt (and thus co boards) to leave small clubs for bigger ones to help their inter co prospects. Do you not think it funny its still mentioned as an oddity that some lad on a co team is from a junior club? Surely it'd be common enough if they werent transferring.
You're right, there are many transfers which go through fine, and probably a fair few which are rejected. But your analogy is inaccurate. It isnt a case of lads getting away with it, its a case of the same laws not being applied.
Of course, all of the above would still mean Seanie Johnsons transfer would still sail through. See? Irrelevant.
McGrattan the Armagh hurler has transfered to Cuchulainns in Armagh.
SEÁN MORAN
THE LONG-RUNNING request from former Cavan player Seán Johnston to transfer to the St Kevin's club in Kildare will be answered this morning. The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee is expected to deliver its decision on the matter, which has been running for a number of months.
Previous applications for the transfer had been turned down, most recently on the grounds that Johnston, whose move is opposed by both his club Cavan Gaels and the county, had not established a change of residence to Straffan in Kildare.
The transfer will not necessarily be approved if the change of residence has been demonstrated to the committee's satisfaction, as ethos-based objections to what would be effectively a move of convenience may still play a role in the determination.
The matter has become urgent since the new rule adopted at last month's congress, which requires any player looking to transfer to another county to have first played in that county's championship. St Kevin's are due to play this weekend against Leixlip and Johnston needs to take part in the match if he is to be available to Kieran McGeeney's Kildare team for the championship.
Despite rumours yesterday that the CCCC had deferred the matter until next week by which stage St Kevin's would have played, Croke Park sources confirmed last night that a final decision would be delivered today. It would still be open to Johnston to appeal an adverse finding and, if he wishes, take it to the GAA's independent arbitration body, the DRA.
Common sense that they would have the meeting before the game and let Johnston know either way if he is eligble or not, he can still go through the DRA if it doesn't go through.
It would make a fine subject for a Christy Moore song.
I think he will get his wish granted now. Cant wait to see how good he really is...
In the bigger picture, I think transfers should be decided at a club level first and foremost. The underlying reason to move from your club to another, should be the main issue and the reasons for doing so have to be proven and justified. Build the rules round that.
On that basis, this transfer should be refused. Thats in an ideal world.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 09:43:44 AM
SEÁN MORAN
THE LONG-RUNNING request from former Cavan player Seán Johnston to transfer to the St Kevin's club in Kildare will be answered this morning. The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee is expected to deliver its decision on the matter, which has been running for a number of months.
Previous applications for the transfer had been turned down, most recently on the grounds that Johnston, whose move is opposed by both his club Cavan Gaels and the county, had not established a change of residence to Straffan in Kildare.
The transfer will not necessarily be approved if the change of residence has been demonstrated to the committee's satisfaction, as ethos-based objections to what would be effectively a move of convenience may still play a role in the determination.
The matter has become urgent since the new rule adopted at last month's congress, which requires any player looking to transfer to another county to have first played in that county's championship. St Kevin's are due to play this weekend against Leixlip and Johnston needs to take part in the match if he is to be available to Kieran McGeeney's Kildare team for the championship.
Despite rumours yesterday that the CCCC had deferred the matter until next week by which stage St Kevin's would have played, Croke Park sources confirmed last night that a final decision would be delivered today. It would still be open to Johnston to appeal an adverse finding and, if he wishes, take it to the GAA's independent arbitration body, the DRA.
Common sense that they would have the meeting before the game and let Johnston know either way if he is eligble or not, he can still go through the DRA if it doesn't go through.
Has he trained with St Kevins or does he just walk onto that team?
I suppose a 1 minute cameo at the end is all that is required to meet the rules.
Quote from: Bingo on May 18, 2012, 11:29:09 AM
In the bigger picture, I think transfers should be decided at a club level first and foremost. The underlying reason to move from your club to another, should be the main issue and the reasons for doing so have to be proven and justified. Build the rules round that.
On that basis, this transfer should be refused. Thats in an ideal world.
I would have to agree, the club is the primary building block of the association. County should be secondary.
I don't like the fact that SJ can just walk out of (or get dropped from) one County panel and walk into another the same season. IMO it is sends out the wrong signals.
Had he spent this season out of County football before joining Kildare it would not stick in the craw so much.
Transfers are at club level, as far as I know, at least in the vast majority of cases.
The standard transfer is that you move from club a to club b. If you are an inter county transfer, you are asked to specify if you are ALSO transferring your county allegiance. You can choose to either represent the county of your new club, or represent your home county.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 18, 2012, 11:58:34 AM
Transfers are at club level, as far as I know, at least in the vast majority of cases.
The standard transfer is that you move from club a to club b. If you are an inter county transfer, you are asked to specify if you are ALSO transferring your county allegiance. You can choose to either represent the county of your new club, or represent your home county.
Yes, fully understand that but its in clear in this case he wants to move to play county football and the club is secondary. He should have to satisfy why he wants to move club, county not even be considered. Move club due to family, work, wife, issue with old club, whatever.
I'd like to see Seanie Johnson convince anyone why he wants to move from Cavan Gaels to St Kevins.
He apparently meets all of the GAA's criteria to move from cavan to this Kevin's club. Should there be extra criteria if you are a good player? Obviously even the cccc believe this to be the case when they won't meet to rule on it.
If this is so the transfer should be granted and all involved cursed.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 18, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
He apparently meets all of the GAA's criteria to move from cavan to this Kevin's club. Should there be extra criteria if you are a good player? Obviously even the cccc believe this to be the case when they won't meet to rule on it.
If this is so the transfer should be granted and all involved cursed.
Na, Just if you've been caught lying through your teeth during your original application.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 18, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
He apparently meets all of the GAA's criteria to move from cavan to this Kevin's club. Should there be extra criteria if you are a good player? Obviously even the cccc believe this to be the case when they won't meet to rule on it.
If this is so the transfer should be granted and all involved cursed.
Fine, if the two clubs sign a transfer that isn't an issue. Have the Gaels signed it? I think they may have.
My basis is hard to implement and its probably part of why the GAA are introducing this new championship rule - to prove you are a club player first.
This is a very rare case with county football been at the fore rather than club.
Gaels don't need to sign it. If he meets the criteria to move, that's it.
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 18, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
He apparently meets all of the GAA's criteria to move from cavan to this Kevin's club. Should there be extra criteria if you are a good player? Obviously even the cccc believe this to be the case when they won't meet to rule on it.
If this is so the transfer should be granted and all involved cursed.
Na, Just if you've been caught lying through your teeth during your original application.
While I agree with you on this, I don't think two wrongs will ever make a right.
Even if I think Seanie has been lying, the CCCC seems to be playing silly buggers here and that is wrong.
If it transpires that the only reason for the appeal hearing to be postpond was to deny him the chance to play for Kildare, the CCC is messing around with the rules- same as Johnston and the Kildare CB.
If his transfer has to be blocked, let this be because the rules don't allow it.
If this is not the case, his transfer can only be delayed, not blocked. He could be eligible to play next season.
In any event, I don't think the fun is over just yet.
My money is on S Kevin's lodging an appeal or threatening to go to court.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 18, 2012, 12:35:30 PM
Gaels don't need to sign it. If he meets the criteria to move, that's it.
Yeah, thinking about it that right. Maybe the clubs should be made to sign it or then it goes for approval. If genuine reasons for moving, i think a club will sign it.
I don't blame gaels if they didn't sign it, such that case arise.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 18, 2012, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 18, 2012, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 18, 2012, 12:16:50 PM
He apparently meets all of the GAA's criteria to move from cavan to this Kevin's club. Should there be extra criteria if you are a good player? Obviously even the cccc believe this to be the case when they won't meet to rule on it.
If this is so the transfer should be granted and all involved cursed.
Na, Just if you've been caught lying through your teeth during your original application.
While I agree with you on this, I don't think two wrongs will ever make a right.
Even if I think Seanie has been lying, the CCCC seems to be playing silly buggers here and that is wrong.
If it transpires that the only reason for the appeal hearing to be postpond was to deny him the chance to play for Kildare, the CCC is messing around with the rules- same as Johnston and the Kildare CB.
If his transfer has to be blocked, let this be because the rules don't allow it.
If this is not the case, his transfer can only be delayed, not blocked. He could be eligible to play next season.
In any event, I don't think the fun is over just yet.
My money is on S Kevin's lodging an appeal or threatening to go to court.
Yeah, cause they will be the big winners in this alright ;)
The CCCC have turned down the transfer based on Residency and Ethos rules.
Apparently after reading the rejection letter Seanie looked wistfully into the distance. Something like this:
(http://hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/johnston.jpg)
And now the appeals process commences..... ::)
Quote from: Westside on May 18, 2012, 02:54:59 PM
The CCCC have turned down the transfer based on Residency and Ethos rules.
Well if they met and rejected the transfer fair enough, at least people can't complain that they held up the meeting to miss the Kildare championship match. Of course, those who earlier were talking about how only the rules should be used (as opposed to getting a result by delaying meetings) will now accept the decision of the cccc who are after all, applying the rules to this case. Without doubt this is against the ethos of the GAA.
Sean Johnson must now realise he has acted very foolishly and like I said if he had the same attitude as 99% of county footballers he'd probably be lining up to face Donegal for his home county, instead he will be sitting on his arse at home watching the game on TV in the knowledge that a lot of Cavan people don't think too much of him at this point.
Hindsight is a great thing... if he wasn't dropped from the County panel in the first place this wouldn't be happening. Easy to say he could be playing this sunday since Andrews is gone, if Cavan weren't so poor during the league Val Andrews would still be Manager and he had no intention of getting Seanie Johnston back at any stage this year. i highly doubt Terry Hyland would have got him back in straight away either. What's done is done. He is a former Cavan player.
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Re: Seanie Johnston Switch and outside managers
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You are ignoring this user.
Have to say the level of reason and intelligence on this thread has increased noticeably of late
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You are ignoring this user.
Have to say the level of reason and intelligence on this thread has increased noticeably of late
Yawn. Another exciting contribution from grandfather know nothing.
??? Sorry miley all picture no sound, it's been great though :-*
Quote from: anglocelt39 on May 18, 2012, 08:06:24 PM
??? Sorry miley all picture no sound, it's been great though :-*
You read it plonker. Btw, you don't need sound to read a forum. Bit sad pretending to ignore someone as well as pretending to delete your account.
Delighted with ruling! Now Seanie, off you go with your tail between your legs ;D
On the upside Kildare is a grand spot to be living in during the Summer hols! So many places to see & so convenient to all other parts of the country. Now on your bike.........!
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 09:48:28 PM
Say's alot about the CCCC that they couldn't say they weren't granting the transfer to his face, instead sending out a Registred letter in the post ( Registered letter meaning he would recieve in inside 24 hours) He was up and down enough times to Croke Park and they hadn't the balls to say it to his face. More a panic reaction probaly,. as they were getting bad press be leaving it to Monday and took some of that away by letting him know 24 hours before the match. He will get the move from the DRA, whenever thats happens.
D'ya think so? I don't! Rejection on grounds of 'contrary to GAA ethos' is a valid reason.
As for the means of communicating the decision you obviously don't do irony. I think it's deliciously ironic that they sent a registered letter to Johnston considering this all started to go horribly wrong for him when previously sent registered letter from GAA was returned with Not Known at this Address. You gotta love it! ;D
Alot of hearsay about that letter being returned as him not living there.. if it was true or not i have no idea. it was a long time ago now. second week in Januray, i dont know what was going on then but he has been commuting up and down the last couple of months for his job in Cavan.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 10:04:36 PM
Alot of hearsay about that letter being returned as him not living there.. if it was true or not i have no idea. it was a long time ago now. second week in Januray, i dont know what was going on then but he has been commuting up and down the last couple of months for his job in Cavan.
Would he be able to claim legitimate mileage given he is not officially a Kildare player :P
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 10:04:36 PM
Alot of hearsay about that letter being returned as him not living there.. if it was true or not i have no idea
It is true. I posted it here and three days later it was reported in the national press.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 09:48:28 PM
Say's alot about the CCCC that they couldn't say they weren't granting the transfer to his face, instead sending out a Registred letter in the post
All CCCC correspondance is sent by registered post.
Would you have someone drive to Straffan (or is it Cavan town) as he's special?
Ah poor Seanie, wonder what he feels now about his walk about around Croke park with the Kildare chaps !
Could he have played junior B championship for St Kevins to satisfy requirements ?
Fair enough heffo, but they are going on a letter from Janurary. He had evidence since then. I'm deleting my account anyways off for oz next week, look forward to reading whatever happens to Johnston in the next few weeks! Good to get a break from the stuff on here too ???
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
Fair enough heffo, but they are going on a letter from Janurary. He had evidence since then.
They're not going on evidence from January.
They know he's living in an apartment provided by a prominent member of the Kildare supporters club.
They know it's a contrived transfer and a marriage of convenience. It's very easy to produce toll receipts, utility bills etc - it doesn't change the fundamentals of the issue.
Him celebrating on the pitch after the Div 2 final was very poor judgement by him and McGeeney. It went down like a lead balloon in Croke Park.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 18, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
Fair enough heffo, but they are going on a letter from Janurary. He had evidence since then. I'm deleting my account anyways off for oz next week, look forward to reading whatever happens to Johnston in the next few weeks! Good to get a break from the stuff on here too ???
Good boy! Don't forget to close the door behind you. Missing you already
Its a good job the forum wasnt round in the day when big Fahy and tompkins played for Cork, they were 2 of the main players that took them to 4 all ireland finals, think of the abuse then, Kildare have lost players in the past to other counties, due to work!! think i remember brogan of mayo playing for donegal, des newton not line out for donegal for a while, and Declan darcy ended up with dublin, should Johnston play for kildare, don think so but if he moved within the rules it makes the gaa bad if they try to hinder it. One of the tyrone lad lined out for antrim a few years ago to, Aidan Morris? Sean Doherty of dublin fame was a wicklow man, its not the first time this has happened though it is a big profile case, kildare are close to an all Ireland and johnston may be the different, McGeeney knows this and want him on the panel. Vinnie Murphy was close to playing for kerry only their pride stopped them picking a dub!!
Croke park are opening up a can worms by trying to make an example of this case.if all the evidence given is correct and meets the criteria then why not grant it.there is gonna be a court case sometime soon which will allow players to switch to club or county at will,like the bosman ruling in soccer years back.the GAA thinks it has a hold on a player and can dictate which team they have to play for even if they decide to transfer to a club or county where they now live
Shower of old men. Couldnt tie their laces without f**king it up. (CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC)
Quote from: LilySavage on May 19, 2012, 06:27:54 AM
Shower of old men. Couldnt tie their laces without f**king it up. (CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC)
How about you try winning something with your own players! That'd be a novel concept for Kildare after your liberal acquisition of players the last time you managed to win something - odwyer, Lacey Murphy etc etc.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 19, 2012, 01:26:13 AM
Its a good job the forum wasnt round in the day when big Fahy and tompkins played for Cork, they were 2 of the main players that took them to 4 all ireland finals, think of the abuse then, Kildare have lost players in the past to other counties, due to work!! think i remember brogan of mayo playing for donegal, des newton not line out for donegal for a while, and Declan darcy ended up with dublin, should Johnston play for kildare, don think so but if he moved within the rules it makes the gaa bad if they try to hinder it. One of the tyrone lad lined out for antrim a few years ago to, Aidan Morris? Sean Doherty of dublin fame was a wicklow man, its not the first time this has happened though it is a big profile case, kildare are close to an all Ireland and johnston may be the different, McGeeney knows this and want him on the panel. Vinnie Murphy was close to playing for kerry only their pride stopped them picking a dub!!
I couldnt care less if he transfers personally but it sets a dangerous precedent for the GAA if it allows someone to largely instigate a transfer based on exceptionally tenuous evidence that he moved county for work and residence purposes.
He wont land Kildare an all-ireland. That I'd be fairly confident in saying. He's a good player but he's no better then the O Flaherty's or James Kavanagh. But Kildare are creating a PR disaster for themselves in a year where some of their young players are making a name for themselves. This sends an appalling message out to them.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 19, 2012, 11:32:41 AM
I couldnt care less if he transfers personally but it sets a dangerous precedent for the GAA if it allows someone to largely instigate a transfer based on exceptionally tenuous evidence that he moved county for work and residence purposes.
Surely not as dangerous a precedent as not following your own rules?!
I just dont see how it was refused. Does anyone know the actual reasons given, and the evidence they had for these? Or do they have autonomy to make any decision they choose?
Quote from: haranguerer on May 19, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 19, 2012, 11:32:41 AM
I couldnt care less if he transfers personally but it sets a dangerous precedent for the GAA if it allows someone to largely instigate a transfer based on exceptionally tenuous evidence that he moved county for work and residence purposes.
Surely not as dangerous a precedent as not following your own rules?!
I just dont see how it was refused. Does anyone know the actual reasons given, and the evidence they had for these? Or do they have autonomy to make any decision they choose?
Can you explain what rules they did not follow. They cited two rules they felt were not satisfied didn't they. The only problem is here that some people don't like the rules and actively support a player who is trying to falsify a transfer. If you don't like the rules you can go to your club and propose a motion to alter them.
I've a feeling this will be futile, but anyway...
Which two rules did they cite? That one someone posted about ethos was a pisstake surely? In regard to the residency, he fulfilled it - have they proved he doesnt live there?
SJ fulfils all the requirements for a transfer. If they feel there is a problem with the way he has fulfilled those requirements, then its up to them to consult and if necessary, make changes to the rules in the future. But they cant legitimately reject a transfer which meets the requirements.
I've no idea what that is you're on about people not liking the rules etc etc. They've been fulfilled, so you must be referring to yourself and the CCC?
Heffo can you categorically provide proof that this so called registered letter from Croke Park was returned to sender. Because as far as I'm concerned its a load of cobblers.
Funnily enough why can't Dublin minors try and win something with their own? I see they have a lad that plays his minor club football in Meath on their panel. I don't care if he's Mick Deegans son, he's playing his football in Meath.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 19, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on May 19, 2012, 11:32:41 AM
I couldnt care less if he transfers personally but it sets a dangerous precedent for the GAA if it allows someone to largely instigate a transfer based on exceptionally tenuous evidence that he moved county for work and residence purposes.
Surely not as dangerous a precedent as not following your own rules?!
I just dont see how it was refused. Does anyone know the actual reasons given, and the evidence they had for these? Or do they have autonomy to make any decision they choose?
That's what really concerns me.
AFAIK, the CCCC has not given any reason for the unscheduled postponement of the latest hearing.
I know that they don't have to but that's missing the central point.
Is Seanie entitled to transfer or is he not according to the rules and procedures of the GAA?
I expect the hearing next week to authorise the move.
That will put Seanie out of contention for a place on the Kildare side this year but there's always next year and the year after....
That not what the player or the Kildare CB wanted but it's only a delaying tactic that will damage the credibility of the CCCC.
It's going to leave every case that comes before this body open to dispute and claims of partiality.
Lar, they had the meeting. They've said that the proposed transfer breaches their rules. They obviously changed their mind about postponing the meeting at least.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 19, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
I've a feeling this will be futile, but anyway...
Which two rules did they cite? That one someone posted about ethos was a pisstake surely? In regard to the residency, he fulfilled it - have they proved he doesnt live there?
SJ fulfils all the requirements for a transfer. If they feel there is a problem with the way he has fulfilled those requirements, then its up to them to consult and if necessary, make changes to the rules in the future. But they cant legitimately reject a transfer which meets the requirements.
I've no idea what that is you're on about people not liking the rules etc etc. They've been fulfilled, so you must be referring to yourself and the CCC?
Its in the papers. 6.1 and 6.9. You seem to know more about what evidence the cccc are looking at than they themselves. Care to elaborate how you know Johnson has satisfied the rules but the cccc are just ignoring rules?
Quote from: mup on May 19, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Heffo can you categorically provide proof that this so called registered letter from Croke Park was returned to sender. Because as far as I'm concerned its a load of cobblers.
Funnily enough why can't Dublin minors try and win something with their own? I see they have a lad that plays his minor club football in Meath on their panel. I don't care if he's Mick Deegans son, he's playing his football in Meath.
I think having just won the senior and u21 all Ireland's with 'our own' players and missed out on the minor all Ireland by the skin of our teeth we're doing rather all right on that score. Thanks for asking though!!!
Quote from: mup on May 19, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Funnily enough why can't Dublin minors try and win something with their own? I see they have a lad that plays his minor club football in Meath on their panel. I don't care if he's Mick Deegans son, he's playing his football in Meath.
I don't see it as funny at all and I'm surprised that a well researched person like yourself would seek to muddy the waters with such a weak point.
Donaghmore/Ashbourne played their club football at their own request in Dublin up to U12, Michael Deegan has played for Dublin since U12, was born in Dublin and moved to Meath a few years ago. Goes to school in Dublin, has never been asked by Meath to represent them and plays for Dublin under the 'parent' rule.
Can I assist you with any further clarification?
I don't see any problem in Michael Deegan playing for Dublin as he was born in Dublin and I understand that he lived there for a while. However, I don't think that he is playing for Dublin under the parentage rule, as I think that rule only applies to "weaker" counties. Mayhe heffo could confirm either way. Anyway, best of luck to the lad in his football career with Dublin. His father was a fine player.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2012, 12:54:37 PM
Lar, they had the meeting. They've said that the proposed transfer breaches their rules. They obviously changed their mind about postponing the meeting at least.
Fair enough, AZO.
I didn't know they had changed their mind about holding the meeting this coming week but the whole saga has gotten so messy now that it's hard to know what is going on.
I don't expect McGeeney and the CB to let it go at that.
Expect Seanie to front an appeal ASAP.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 19, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2012, 12:54:37 PM
Lar, they had the meeting. They've said that the proposed transfer breaches their rules. They obviously changed their mind about postponing the meeting at least.
Fair enough, AZO.
I didn't know they had changed their mind about holding the meeting this coming week but the whole saga has gotten so messy now that it's hard to know what is going on.
I don't expect McGeeney and the CB to let it go at that.
Expect Seanie to front an appeal ASAP.
KCB are split down the middle on SJ. They've been very quiet on the issue and it's clear that it's the senior management pushing this. Personally think someone within KCB (apart from Seámus Aldridge who has already spoke out against it) should have called a halt to this long ago and told the senior management to cop themselves on. I can't imagine Pádraig Ashe would have stood for it. The county is a laughing stock over this and there are plenty of forwards in Kildare capable of doing a job.
I'm off to watch our own county minors now. Them young lads are the future of Kildare football - not Seánie Johnston.
Fair play
Its time Kildare County Board distanced themselves from this, they could be seen to be above this caper whatever ways its adjudicated. I could never see what happened on League final day ever being allowed in other counties. From a simple team bonding principle I dont see the logic in Mc Geeney allowing a relative stranger to celebrate a league title win when he played no part whatsoever, regardless of what may his role be in the future. It suggests outside managers do not have 100% loyalty to a county, their own talent, their reputation and their ethos.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 19, 2012, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 19, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2012, 12:54:37 PM
Lar, they had the meeting. They've said that the proposed transfer breaches their rules. They obviously changed their mind about postponing the meeting at least.
Fair enough, AZO.
I didn't know they had changed their mind about holding the meeting this coming week but the whole saga has gotten so messy now that it's hard to know what is going on.
I don't expect McGeeney and the CB to let it go at that.
Expect Seanie to front an appeal ASAP.
KCB are split down the middle on SJ. They've been very quiet on the issue and it's clear that it's the senior management pushing this. Personally think someone within KCB (apart from Seámus Aldridge who has already spoke out against it) should have called a halt to this long ago and told the senior management to cop themselves on. I can't imagine Pádraig Ashe would have stood for it. The county is a laughing stock over this and there are plenty of forwards in Kildare capable of doing a job.
I'm off to watch our own county minors now. Them young lads are the future of Kildare football - not Seánie Johnston.
I think you are dead right on all counts.
It's fairly obvious that Seanie has been getting tacit support from the KCB but damage limitation should be the priority now.
Even if he turns out for the county now, his presence will only be a distraction for players and supporters alike.
Having said that, if SJ decides he wants to transfer to a club in Kildare and be considered for selection for Kildare, then its nothing to do with the co board.
Unless they have some say in what goes on re selection for the co team.
Which, if it was the case within kildare and elsewhere (i.e. Cavan), would interestingly have seen this whole situation never arise! ;D
Quote from: heffo on May 19, 2012, 01:03:57 PM
Quote from: mup on May 19, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Heffo can you categorically provide proof that this so called registered letter from Croke Park was returned to sender. Because as far as I'm concerned its a load of cobblers.
I've seen a copy of the returned letter from Croke Park, hence I posted it here before it was widely reported in the national media.
Interesting there has been no denial from the Kildare camp that it didn't happen.
Interesting that having seen such indisputable evidence as the returned letter itself you still felt it necessary to point out that it hadnt been denied #bullshit ;)
Did you see the letter or the envelope? :P
If quality contributors like Rodney are jumping ship I'm going to have to seriously consider my position.
Rodney - they have internet in Australia so no need to delete your account ;D
CHAPTER 6 – GAMES AND COMPETITIONS
PLAYING ELIGIBILITY/
TRANSFERS/DECLARATIONS
6.1
Transfers and Declarations - Association's Ethos
As the Gaelic Athletic Association is community centred,
based on the allegiance of its members to their local Clubs
and Counties, the Transfer and Declaration Rules in this
Official Guide and in County Bye-Laws reflect that ethos.
A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his
Home Club and County, as defined in these Rules.
Therefore, you cannot choose a new county, as Johnson has admitted to doing, without breaking this rule
This will be a doddle for Johnston at the DRA. Johnston will be able to demostrate how the GAA on many occasions in the past has allowed transfers like this to go through.
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Quote from: big balla on May 19, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
CHAPTER 6 – GAMES AND COMPETITIONS
PLAYING ELIGIBILITY/
TRANSFERS/DECLARATIONS
6.1
Transfers and Declarations - Association's Ethos
As the Gaelic Athletic Association is community centred,
based on the allegiance of its members to their local Clubs
and Counties, the Transfer and Declaration Rules in this
Official Guide and in County Bye-Laws reflect that ethos.
A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his
Home Club and County, as defined in these Rules.
Therefore, you cannot choose a new county, as Johnson has admitted to doing, without breaking this rule
Its not a rule, hence the last 5 words, and the rest of (6), which go on to define what your own county is, one of which options is, the county in which your club is in. I believe kevins is in kildare, so...
Btw heffo, you'll be glad to hear, your subjective opinions, being your opinions, can never be incorrect 8)
I was just asking re letter and envelope because if it was returned as 'not known at this address, that would obv be on the envelope rather than the letter ;)
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 19, 2012, 07:59:16 PM
And what am I the only person on here who slated the CCCC? Freedom of speech.. you must be involved with them if it bothers you that much, why did they send the letter to johnstons house yesterday? hoping that somebody else might have lived there.. glck adios au revoir. Bye GAA Board.
Bye bye Seanie, enjoy Oz.
Quote from: heffo on May 19, 2012, 03:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 19, 2012, 03:42:50 PM
Did you see the letter or the envelope? :P
You can believe what you like, I've rarely posted anything incorrect here (aside from my subjective opinions...)
Sorry mate your talking rubbish You saw nothing. Give Rupert Murdoch a ring he might have a job for you.
I'm the postman for that area and I can categorically state that this never happened.
Quote from: mup on May 20, 2012, 01:36:54 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 19, 2012, 03:57:41 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 19, 2012, 03:42:50 PM
Did you see the letter or the envelope? :P
You can believe what you like, I've rarely posted anything incorrect here (aside from my subjective opinions...)
Sorry mate your talking rubbish You saw nothing. Give Rupert Murdoch a ring he might have a job for you.
I'm the postman for that area and I can categorically state that this never happened.
I thought Heffo already outed you in a cowardly retreat from being caught out?
Hope seanie takes it all the way to the DRA and gets justice and have his transfer granted.that cccc must be full of tossers with nothing better to do than cause trouble.it will eventually be granted one way or another
Lads, gotta question that I'd like to see your opinions on. Firstly, I will clarify that I am split with the SJ case. I think anything he were to win with or for Kildare could not but be somewhat tainted. I believe there is nothing greater than winning something with a group of men who you've grown up with or soldiered with for years. If, in particular, an "outsider" were to be the primary reason you won though, to me, there would be something missing. And by "outsider", I mean someone who transferred to you only because they smelled a medal.
However, I do also resent an organisation trying to enforce a rule that in certain cases, restricts a player from fulfilling his ambition and/or potential and in cases affecting his actual love ofthe game and what he can get out of it. To explain what I mean, here's the question:
Take the example of a fello born into a small "weak" parish in a small "weak" county. Or indeed, even a strong county. It may not matter which. He loves the game to his fingertips and is blessed with talent. Is that fella to be resigned to playing with a club that will never get anywhere, never come close to a junior championship perhaps, never mind a senior, to playing with guys whose ambition is a million miles off his own and treat football as jst a bit of craic? If his county is relatively strong; then is that a substitute for a third of a yr playing drivel with a going-nowhere club, if it's a weak county then he's doubly f***ed. For someone like that, would they not at least be entitled to compete? In my opinion, I'd have no problem with this guy finding a way to move.
While it's not exactly the same as SJ's case (I wouldn't compare any county team to a junior club with no ambition, all county players have ambition) I think the fundamentals are the same, or at least incredibly similar and most importantly, both cases would be governed and judged by the same rules.
I think it's very easy to be romantic and talk about "ethos" not every case is identical, even though the particulars might be. And the gaa has to have a set of rules which are black and white, no? So is this guy supposed to accept the lot (and club) life (or bad luck) has given him? If you think so then having the same set of rules applied isn't a problem, but if like me, you don't agree, then there's a serious problem with the rules and how they could be implemented across a cross section of cases.
Was it not a case that seanie s own attitude originally got him removed from the squad, ie he didn't have the maturity to be a county footballer
Wispa, thats a great point to raise, and is another difficulty with the whole thing.
Quote from: Wispa on May 20, 2012, 02:42:04 AM... the gaa has to have a set of rules which are black and white, no? So is this guy supposed to accept the lot (and club) life (or bad luck) has given him? If you think so then having the same set of rules applied isn't a problem, but if like me, you don't agree, then there's a serious problem with the rules and how they could be implemented across a cross section of cases.
That reminds me of a vox pop among youngsters on the radio about the Leaving Cert points system during the week. The opinions were split between those who saw it as being as fair a system as could be devised and those who thought it was unfair because it favours people who are bright and discriminates against those who are not good at putting their heads down and studying!
The GAA has decided, by the consensus of its membership that its community based ethos should be reflected in its allegiance rules, as I term them for convenience. So be it, unless and until the membership decides otherwise. This has its consequences. It means that people can't decide to play for whomever they like or go chasing medals as they see fit. You can't have it both ways. So the answer to your question is yes - yer man obeys the rules and if he doesn't like them, there are avenues open to him and all who agree with him to attempt to have them changed.
The effectiveness, fairness and transparency with which the rules are administered is another debate, a valid one and the one we're having here. To state my position on that, I think the application of the rules is often farcical. I draw the line at saying that that means that Seánie should have been facilitated in a blatantly cynical attempt at medal-chasing because others got away with it. Let's work on the problem of effectiveness, fairness and transparency, but not by abandoning the rules in all cases because some cases are badly, or even corruptly handled.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 20, 2012, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 19, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
CHAPTER 6 – GAMES AND COMPETITIONS
PLAYING ELIGIBILITY/
TRANSFERS/DECLARATIONS
6.1
Transfers and Declarations - Association's Ethos
As the Gaelic Athletic Association is community centred,
based on the allegiance of its members to their local Clubs
and Counties, the Transfer and Declaration Rules in this
Official Guide and in County Bye-Laws reflect that ethos.
A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his
Home Club and County, as defined in these Rules.
Therefore, you cannot choose a new county, as Johnson has admitted to doing, without breaking this rule
Its not a rule, hence the last 5 words, and the rest of (6), which go on to define what your own county is, one of which options is, the county in which your club is in. I believe kevins is in kildare, so...
Btw heffo, you'll be glad to hear, your subjective opinions, being your opinions, can never be incorrect 8)
I was just asking re letter and envelope because if it was returned as 'not known at this address, that would obv be on the envelope rather than the letter ;)
of course it is a rule, it is rule 6.1 ya clab! the last fie words refer to the definition of home club or county, not that 6.1 is not a rule
surely this 6.1 rule has already been broken in the past??
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 20, 2012, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 19, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
CHAPTER 6 – GAMES AND COMPETITIONS
PLAYING ELIGIBILITY/
TRANSFERS/DECLARATIONS
6.1
Transfers and Declarations - Association's Ethos
As the Gaelic Athletic Association is community centred,
based on the allegiance of its members to their local Clubs
and Counties, the Transfer and Declaration Rules in this
Official Guide and in County Bye-Laws reflect that ethos.
A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his
Home Club and County, as defined in these Rules.
Therefore, you cannot choose a new county, as Johnson has admitted to doing, without breaking this rule
Its not a rule, hence the last 5 words, and the rest of (6), which go on to define what your own county is, one of which options is, the county in which your club is in. I believe kevins is in kildare, so...
Btw heffo, you'll be glad to hear, your subjective opinions, being your opinions, can never be incorrect 8)
I was just asking re letter and envelope because if it was returned as 'not known at this address, that would obv be on the envelope rather than the letter ;)
of course it is a rule, it is rule 6.1 ya clab! the last fie words refer to the definition of home club or county, not that 6.1 is not a rule
Right, if its a rule, explain to me how it could be breached? What bit did SJ breach?
Quote from: haranguerer on May 20, 2012, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 20, 2012, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 19, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
CHAPTER 6 – GAMES AND COMPETITIONS
PLAYING ELIGIBILITY/
TRANSFERS/DECLARATIONS
6.1
Transfers and Declarations - Association's Ethos
As the Gaelic Athletic Association is community centred,
based on the allegiance of its members to their local Clubs
and Counties, the Transfer and Declaration Rules in this
Official Guide and in County Bye-Laws reflect that ethos.
A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his
Home Club and County, as defined in these Rules.
Therefore, you cannot choose a new county, as Johnson has admitted to doing, without breaking this rule
Its not a rule, hence the last 5 words, and the rest of (6), which go on to define what your own county is, one of which options is, the county in which your club is in. I believe kevins is in kildare, so...
Btw heffo, you'll be glad to hear, your subjective opinions, being your opinions, can never be incorrect 8)
I was just asking re letter and envelope because if it was returned as 'not known at this address, that would obv be on the envelope rather than the letter ;)
of course it is a rule, it is rule 6.1 ya clab! the last fie words refer to the definition of home club or county, not that 6.1 is not a rule
Right, if its a rule, explain to me how it could be breached? What bit did SJ breach?
"A player is considered to owe allegiance and loyalty to his
Home Club and County"
To be fair to Johnston he wasn't chasing medals he was chasing football. The arguments on here seem to be about how Seanie left Cavan looking for glory. He was forced out of the team and coming to the final years of his prime playing career he felt he needed somewhere to go to make something of his undoubted talent.
If Andrews hadn't have been a bollix and Johnston was still on the Cavan panel we wouldn't have the current situation. If Johnston didn't feel the need to leave a struggling Cavan squad 4 years ago he would harbour the idea of doing so, especially when it appears a decent draft of young players look like changing their fortunes.
Best of luck down under Rodney you'll have a ball of a time. Will miss your contributions
I know its a vague enough rule, but they are gonna try and stop it going through and obviously feel that this is gonna do it. The assossiation has been running for longer than the career of SJ and the rules are there for the greater good. The allegiance to home club or county is what has helped make it so strong and, in my opinion, should be preserved.
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
I know its a vague enough rule, but they are gonna try and stop it going through and obviously feel that this is gonna do it. The assossiation has been running for longer than the career of SJ and the rules are there for the greater good. The allegiance to home club or county is what has helped make it so strong and, in my opinion, should be preserved.
The ethos of the GAA is changing and is going to continue to.if he says he,s living in Kildare and gave all the evidence to prove so,why have they stopped it,this decision was probably made by a bunch of clowns who never played the game and who get great perks for attending these meetings(good expenses,free meals,tickets etc)
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2012, 02:46:22 PM
To be fair to Johnston he wasn't chasing medals he was chasing football. The arguments on here seem to be about how Seanie left Cavan looking for glory. He was forced out of the team and coming to the final years of his prime playing career he felt he needed somewhere to go to make something of his undoubted talent.
If Andrews hadn't have been a bollix and Johnston was still on the Cavan panel we wouldn't have the current situation. If Johnston didn't feel the need to leave a struggling Cavan squad 4 years ago he would harbour the idea of doing so, especially when it appears a decent draft of young players look like changing their fortunes.
If that was truly the case why not transfer to Longford, Roscommon, Monaghan or somewhere closer to him like that? Kildare is an awful long way to go 'chasing football'.
Wispa makes excellent points for a sport which is based on sporting achievement as a priority which is the case in soccer or rugby. GAA is not like that. GAA is established as a community organisation. The prime requirement is to give your best for your community in any way. That ranges from the ladies making the tea, the dancers, the Irish language teachers and right up to the first team footballers/hurlers. The role of any individual is to give his best for his community. It is NOT to think himself too good for his community and clear off to somewhere else. Success on the field is second fiddle to effort. It is a bonus but that is all. each member of the GAA is equal and deserves nothing more than to contribute their best to their community.
Sadly GAA is becoming more like Wispa's vision. Where we think people should be allowed to go and play for the best team. This is all wrong. People have no right at all to anything, except to give their best for their community. Anything else would be a selfish betrayal.
However in Seannie Johnston's case while his club want him and he wants them, his county have rejected him. If you are rejected by your own community would it be fair to argue that you deserve the right to be accepted by another and to serve them?
He was dropped by the county team. His community in Cavan Gaels haven't rejected him. Loads of lads get dropped from County Panels and don't try to transfer out of the place. They play club ball, and if he's playing well enough Cavan would pick him.
If he genuinely moved to Kildare, I'd have no problem with him transferring club, and county, if he wanted to do that.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 08:45:37 AM
He was dropped by the county team. His community in Cavan Gaels haven't rejected him. Loads of lads get dropped from County Panels and don't try to transfer out of the place. They play club ball, and if he's playing well enough Cavan would pick him.
If he genuinely moved to Kildare, I'd have no problem with him transferring club, and county, if he wanted to do that.
Yes I did say that. That he is wanted by his club and he wants them. It is his county which is also a community that has rejected him. It's not that he is not good enough. If he is rejected does he not deserve to leave for another community? Just because others have chosen not to does not mean that they were correct. It is complicated because the county is larger than the club so he is half wanted and half not wanted. Personally I think he should just sort out his attitude problem and get back to playing with Cavan. But if Cavan don't want him and another county do then perhaps it is fair that he should be allowed.
He only tried to change clubs because he had to. If he could stay with Cavan Gaels and play for another county he would have.
Basically how would this be for a compromise. Any player should be required to play for his residence/birth county. That county should have first call. If they choose not to have him then he may be released to another county who want him. That way players would not have power to simply move, it would fully be the choice of the home county board.
On the face of it sounds ok, however what happens if a footballer messes about within the dressing room and then online criticising management rendering him unchoosable by that county, potentially in order to move county.. This is a hypothetical situation of course.
And how do you decide that 'the county' doesn't want him? Does getting dropped constitute not wanting him, or does it mean he's not in the *current* plans? What about those who get dropped and come back? What about those that haven't go picked at all yet?
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 21, 2012, 01:29:09 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
I know its a vague enough rule, but they are gonna try and stop it going through and obviously feel that this is gonna do it. The assossiation has been running for longer than the career of SJ and the rules are there for the greater good. The allegiance to home club or county is what has helped make it so strong and, in my opinion, should be preserved.
The ethos of the GAA is changing and is going to continue to.if he says he,s living in Kildare and gave all the evidence to prove so,why have they stopped it,this decision was probably made by a bunch of clowns who never played the game and who get great perks for attending these meetings(good expenses,free meals,tickets etc)
Now you measure your contribution up against these "bunch of clowns"
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/miscellaneous/Committees%202012%20-%202015%20%2828_04_2012%29.pdf
Seanie get back in the Cavan shirt ASAP please!!
Quote from: LeoMc on May 21, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 21, 2012, 01:29:09 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
I know its a vague enough rule, but they are gonna try and stop it going through and obviously feel that this is gonna do it. The assossiation has been running for longer than the career of SJ and the rules are there for the greater good. The allegiance to home club or county is what has helped make it so strong and, in my opinion, should be preserved.
The ethos of the GAA is changing and is going to continue to.if he says he,s living in Kildare and gave all the evidence to prove so,why have they stopped it,this decision was probably made by a bunch of clowns who never played the game and who get great perks for attending these meetings(good expenses,free meals,tickets etc)
Now you measure your contribution up against these "bunch of clowns"
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/miscellaneous/Committees%202012%20-%202015%20%2828_04_2012%29.pdf
Some heavy weights on the "Standing Committee on the Playing Rules"..
Quote from: LeoMc on May 21, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 21, 2012, 01:29:09 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
I know its a vague enough rule, but they are gonna try and stop it going through and obviously feel that this is gonna do it. The assossiation has been running for longer than the career of SJ and the rules are there for the greater good. The allegiance to home club or county is what has helped make it so strong and, in my opinion, should be preserved.
The ethos of the GAA is changing and is going to continue to.if he says he,s living in Kildare and gave all the evidence to prove so,why have they stopped it,this decision was probably made by a bunch of clowns who never played the game and who get great perks for attending these meetings(good expenses,free meals,tickets etc)
Now you measure your contribution up against these "bunch of clowns"
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/miscellaneous/Committees%202012%20-%202015%20%2828_04_2012%29.pdf
My point proven,there not doing it for the good of their health.great perks as I say.give me the man that cuts the field anyday over these ego driven suits
I think we have a classic case of the unstoppable force meeting the immovable mass here.
Am I right in saying that the core problem is Seanie's assertion that he meets all the requirements necessary to allow him to transfer to St Kevins?
He claims he has done so while the CCCC has ruled that he has not.
To put it simply, differences of opinion over Residency and Ethos appear to be the main issue.
IMO, the former is objective and the latter subjective in nature.
In more intelligible English, there should be no problem in deciding the credibility of his claim that he is a resident of Kildare.
I think he has provided the proof. He hhas met the letter of the law if not the spirit.
While I don't believe him, he seems to have, on paper at least, provided evidence to back his claim.
If I was a member of the CCCC, I'd have to say "Yes" even if it stuck in my craw to vote in his favour. Under the rules of the association, he has proved his claim.
I think he has shown a complete lack of cop on in the way he went about seeking his transfer. He didn't seems to understand that he had to move clubs before he could qualify as a county player. That's a fundamental mistake and so is the fact that he didn't have evidence to hand to prove he was actually residing in Kildare.
I don't think he conferred with his contacts in Kildare before he made his initial move.
I doubt that McGeeney & co. realised he was going to show up for the celebrations after the victory over Tyrone.
If he had any oil in his lamp he should have realised that he was being his own worst enemy all along. But I feel he has fulfilled the requirements necessary to qualify under the Residency rule.
Ethos is another matter and eaves itself open to interpretation. I think he has contravened the regulations here but that really depends on the credibility of his claim to be residing in Straffan.
It's impossible to predict what is going to happen next but I feel the controversy is going to continue for a while longer.
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 21, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on May 21, 2012, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 21, 2012, 01:29:09 AM
Quote from: big balla on May 20, 2012, 02:53:42 PM
I know its a vague enough rule, but they are gonna try and stop it going through and obviously feel that this is gonna do it. The assossiation has been running for longer than the career of SJ and the rules are there for the greater good. The allegiance to home club or county is what has helped make it so strong and, in my opinion, should be preserved.
The ethos of the GAA is changing and is going to continue to.if he says he,s living in Kildare and gave all the evidence to prove so,why have they stopped it,this decision was probably made by a bunch of clowns who never played the game and who get great perks for attending these meetings(good expenses,free meals,tickets etc)
Now you measure your contribution up against these "bunch of clowns"
http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/miscellaneous/Committees%202012%20-%202015%20%2828_04_2012%29.pdf
My point proven,there not doing it for the good of their health.great perks as I say.give me the man that cuts the field anyday over these ego driven suits
And how was it proven?
And maybe you will measure your contribution to the GAA against that of these "ego driven suits"
There are quite a few names I am not familiar with but of the ones I do know there are many years of service at club, county and national level, as players, as administrators, as board rep's.
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Ego driven suit. ;D
He is though, to be fair. Sure he thinks he's Kevin Heffernan.
Feck the lot of yis!
I've seen your Golf clubs Heffo, no way you paid for them.
I'm against this transfer on principle but find it fascinating that Croke Park will move heaven and earth to stop a player transferring to Kildare when they batted scarcely an eyelid when Thomas Walsh transferred to Wicklow, for example. Didn't hear too much talk of ethos then.
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Walter Mitty more like
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Walter Mitty more like
Lots of lads on here know my name and can confirm it's on that list..
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 06:08:19 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Walter Mitty more like
Lots of lads on here know my name and can confirm it's on that list..
Yea sound job. So am I.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 08:07:21 AM
Quote from: trileacman on May 20, 2012, 02:46:22 PM
To be fair to Johnston he wasn't chasing medals he was chasing football. The arguments on here seem to be about how Seanie left Cavan looking for glory. He was forced out of the team and coming to the final years of his prime playing career he felt he needed somewhere to go to make something of his undoubted talent.
If Andrews hadn't have been a bollix and Johnston was still on the Cavan panel we wouldn't have the current situation. If Johnston didn't feel the need to leave a struggling Cavan squad 4 years ago he would harbour the idea of doing so, especially when it appears a decent draft of young players look like changing their fortunes.
If that was truly the case why not transfer to Longford, Roscommon, Monaghan or somewhere closer to him like that? Kildare is an awful long way to go 'chasing football'.
For a lad that's "chasing football" he hasn't played a game since the Ulster Club with the Gaels last October
That's cos he's "chasing football" IN KILDARE.
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 06:08:19 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Walter Mitty more like
Lots of lads on here know my name and can confirm it's on that list..
Yea sound job. So am I.
I can confirm Mups name is on there
MDY Construction Senior Football Championship Round 1
Leixlip 1-10 St. Kevin's 0-09
Will Seánie be up for the relegation battle come the Autumn?
Sorry people but I refuse to believe that a person on a Croke Park Committe could come onto a public forum and have no problem slating the transfer.
I dont believe the GAA would run its business in such a fashion. God help us all if that was the case.
Quote from: mup on May 22, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Sorry people but I refuse to believe that a person on a Croke Park Committe could come onto a public forum and have no problem slating the transfer.
I dont believe the GAA would run its business in such a fashion. God help us all if that was the case.
I have no involvement in CCCC, nor any input into this or any other IC transfer.
As a member of the GAA, I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion on this contrived transfer and McGeeneys broader transfer policy.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 21, 2012, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 06:08:19 PM
Quote from: mup on May 21, 2012, 05:57:33 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 21, 2012, 02:24:46 PM
That's funny. 'My Point Proven' :D Lads who never played the game :)
I'm on one of those committees and I can't wait to see these 'perks' we're supposedly getting. Happy days. I thought I was giving my time for nothing and getting there at my own expense.
Walter Mitty more like
Lots of lads on here know my name and can confirm it's on that list..
Yea sound job. So am I.
I can confirm Mups name is on there
Quote from: mup on May 22, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Sorry people but I refuse to believe that a person on a Croke Park Committe could come onto a public forum and have no problem slating the transfer.
I dont believe the GAA would run its business in such a fashion. God help us all if that was the case.
Now I'm confused?
Mup, Based on your last reply I'm assuming your original "Yea sound job, so am I" was an "Aye Right" sort of answer?
Yea sorry. Prob should have used a smiley.
Quote from: mup on May 22, 2012, 09:40:05 AM
Yea sorry. Prob should have used a smiley.
No worries, though you did a great job of outing Haranguerer who has confirmed you are on the list ;D
I also forgot to use a smiley. ;D There ;)
He is also SJs postman
Quote from: heffo on May 22, 2012, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: mup on May 22, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Sorry people but I refuse to believe that a person on a Croke Park Committe could come onto a public forum and have no problem slating the transfer.
I dont believe the GAA would run its business in such a fashion. God help us all if that was the case.
I have no involvement in CCCC, nor any input into this or any other IC transfer.
As a member of the GAA, I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion on this contrived transfer and McGeeneys broader transfer policy.
But as you proclaim yourself to be a member of the hierarchy surely you should have the wit to show more restraint.
The talk was that SJ and co were fucked off the cavan panel due mainly to comments they made on internet boards. Comments which I'm sure any 'normal' member could make without reproach, but which, in their position, were perhaps ill-advised.
Its deliciously ironic that you've been giving out about the lad and his attitude (as typified by aforementioned posts), and yet here you are...
A member of the hierarchy? heffo has claimed to be a member of the GAA, just like all the rest of us (or at least most of us). In that sense we are all members of the hierarchy.
He also happens to sit on one of the many many voluntary committees that the organisation has. Sure I'm on the committee of my local club, am I not allowed comment on games involving other clubs?
As long as you don't be a keyboard warrior, I don't see an issue. I always use the guideline, 'don't say here what you wouldn't say in person in a pub'. You won't go too far wrong if you follow that principle, and I don't think heffo has said anything outrageous that a member of the GAA isn't entitled to. Just because you are a member of the GAA doesn't mean you can't have, and voice, an opinion.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 22, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 22, 2012, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: mup on May 22, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Sorry people but I refuse to believe that a person on a Croke Park Committe could come onto a public forum and have no problem slating the transfer.
I dont believe the GAA would run its business in such a fashion. God help us all if that was the case.
I have no involvement in CCCC, nor any input into this or any other IC transfer.
As a member of the GAA, I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion on this contrived transfer and McGeeneys broader transfer policy.
But as you proclaim yourself to be a member of the hierarchy surely you should have the wit to show more restraint.
The talk was that SJ and co were fucked off the cavan panel due mainly to comments they made on internet boards. Comments which I'm sure any 'normal' member could make without reproach, but which, in their position, were perhaps ill-advised.
Its deliciously ironic that you've been giving out about the lad and his attitude (as typified by aforementioned posts), and yet here you are...
Thats the first i heard of that one.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 22, 2012, 11:10:50 AM
I also forgot to use a smiley. ;D There ;)
He is also SJs postman
Good man. ;)
Quote from: tommysmith on May 22, 2012, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 22, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 22, 2012, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: mup on May 22, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Sorry people but I refuse to believe that a person on a Croke Park Committe could come onto a public forum and have no problem slating the transfer.
I dont believe the GAA would run its business in such a fashion. God help us all if that was the case.
I have no involvement in CCCC, nor any input into this or any other IC transfer.
As a member of the GAA, I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion on this contrived transfer and McGeeneys broader transfer policy.
But as you proclaim yourself to be a member of the hierarchy surely you should have the wit to show more restraint.
The talk was that SJ and co were fucked off the cavan panel due mainly to comments they made on internet boards. Comments which I'm sure any 'normal' member could make without reproach, but which, in their position, were perhaps ill-advised.
Its deliciously ironic that you've been giving out about the lad and his attitude (as typified by aforementioned posts), and yet here you are...
Thats the first i heard of that one.
Me too and I've certainly never posted same.
I'm not, nor have I ever claimed to be a member of the 'hierarchy'.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
The brother spent last weekend in Belturbet visiting the in-laws. As he expected, there was plenty of talk about Seanie and Val and everybody, including his 90 plus mother-in-law had taken sides.
He was quite surprised at the number who backed Seanie. He claims everyone he spoke to reckoned Val was a total waste of space or worse.
Seanie got plenty of stick alright but nobody he talked to reckoned Val was up to it.
According to what he was told, Seanie and a few other players used Twitter to chat amongst themselves and in the process gave their opinions of Val and his management style.
Apparently, Val became aware of what was being posted about him and got to read the comments. Seems he wasn't too impressed.
The rest as they say is history.
I have no way of telling whether this really happened or not but I know a few of the buckos the bro met up with and they are all sound GAA men. Rory's supporters, the lot of them.
What has surprised me is that none of the Cavan lads on here have brought this story up to date. I'm not saying I know it's the truth but I'd bet that those who mentioned it to my brother did so in good faith.
Seriously, are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing even I who couldn't give a shit anymore about this saga remember the above allegation.
Mr Johnson is now officially a St Kevin's player so I suppose that makes him a Kildare player >:(
Now what level of championship does SJ have to play to be eligible for Kildare? If he plays Senior B would he be? Kevins are football only, if he played in the hurling championship would he be eligible?
The next round of the KSFC won't be till after Kildare get knocked out.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 08:35:24 AM
Mr Johnson is now officially a St Kevin's player so I suppose that makes him a Kildare player >:(
any links?how did they reject the transfer and grant it less than a week later?
Won the appeal apparently. Bad form out of the CCCC if the rules had been met. No matter how it sticks in the craw, the rules are the rules.
Yet another plank in my argument about rewriting the rulebooks if the GAA are not able, or not willing, to enforce them.
I'm told he's going to play hurling for someone in Kildare and will thus be eligible
What?
He's going to play Hurling championship in Kildare.
Excellent. Has he ever hurled before? I'm sure the lads he plays with will be delighted to have him line out with them in a Championship match.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
Excellent. Has he ever hurled before? I'm sure the lads he plays with will be delighted to have him line out with them in a Championship match.
This is getting better and better ;D ;D
What a farce. He seems to little regard for the GAA and its clear its all about him and his ego. Maybe McGeeneys as well, as no doubt he wants him badly.
I hope he gets a good welcome to the game of hurling for however long he actually plays. What club would actually facilitate that if its true?
Are Kildare people actually happy with this at any level?
I'm guessing a run out in the last 3 minutes of the game.
So he will play in the hurling championship.
Not play in the football championship( club ) .
Then he will play for Kildare and then sometime in the summer transfer back to Cavan Gaels.
Joke
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 09:50:22 AM
Excellent. Has he ever hurled before? I'm sure the lads he plays with will be delighted to have him line out with them in a Championship match.
Not that I know of..
Seanie is now famous or infamous, whatever you decide yourself.
Who's next on the KDBTSC ( Kildare Disaffected But Talented County Sub Committee ) ?.
About time. Strange how people dont appear to be overly worked up about Billy Joe Paddens transfer to Armagh, he works in Kildare or Billy Sheahans transfer to Laois. He lives and works in Dublin. Johnston spends enough time in Kildare now and is not wanted by his own county.
This is going to reach the level of Monty Python-esque farce if he plays hurling for some junior team! If he's registered, just let him play football for f*ck sake. I don't agree with this transfer because of the dangerous precedent it sets, but if its going ahead then fine, just don't make our organisation more ridiculous by making him line out in a hurling game.
Out of curiosity, will he now begin to train with the hurlers or the footballers ?.
What about a wee bit of handball ?. Surely this might be a bit handier played than the hurling ?. Sure you could get a wee match sorted anytime at the local alley ? Would that qualify him ?.
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
About time. Strange how people dont appear to be overly worked up about Billy Joe Paddens transfer to Armagh, he works in Kildare or Billy Sheahans transfer to Laois. He lives and works in Dublin. Johnston spends enough time in Kildare now and is not wanted by his own county.
Maybe its just me (or because he is fairly shit anyway) but that transfer was a complete joke..worse than the Johnson one. Sheahan barely shows his face in Emo (his alleged Club) from one year to the next I'm told.
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
About time. Strange how people dont appear to be overly worked up about Billy Joe Paddens transfer to Armagh, he works in Kildare or Billy Sheahans transfer to Laois. He lives and works in Dublin. Johnston spends enough time in Kildare now and is not wanted by his own county.
Was just going to say what Ciarrai Thuaidh said. Sheahan's one was at least as bad as Seanie's. I thought Billy Joe had fairly serious ties with Armagh though?
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
About time. Strange how people dont appear to be overly worked up about Billy Joe Paddens transfer to Armagh, he works in Kildare .
Padden worked in Armagh for four years, has lived there for five and is married to an Armagh woman. He also spent three years commuting to training in Mayo at a time when he was out of the Mayo team more often than he was in.
Can't see the comparison myself...
I dont believe there was as much of an outcry when Larry Tompkins, the greatest footballer of his era, transferred to Cork after he fell out with Kildare Co Board? Sick of arguing this point. The transfer has been granted. No rules have been broken. Seems like 'True Gaels' just want to argue for arguments sake. And Heffo, I presume you are a Dub, dont even talk about GAA transfers. Half the All Irelands you have were won by players who didnt come from Dublin.
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
I dont believe there was as much of an outcry when Larry Tompkins, the greatest footballer of his era, transferred to Cork after he fell out with Kildare Co Board?
By that stage he had already won a hatful of New York County championships with Donegal - hardly the same as this situation.
As for transfers in Dublin, the day the Dublin footballers develop a transfer policy such as the one McGeeney has I'll keep schtum. Until then I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion, just as you can defend the policy.
'As for transfers in Dublin, the day the Dublin footballers develop a transfer policy such as the one McGeeney has I'll keep schtum. Until then I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion, just as you can defend the policy.'
Deal!
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
I dont believe there was as much of an outcry when Larry Tompkins, the greatest footballer of his era, transferred to Cork after he fell out with Kildare Co Board? Sick of arguing this point. The transfer has been granted. No rules have been broken. Seems like 'True Gaels' just want to argue for arguments sake. And Heffo, I presume you are a Dub, dont even talk about GAA transfers. Half the All Irelands you have were won by players who didnt come from Dublin.
Lily, bringing in all the other bad cases still does not detract from the farce that this Seanie Johnston case is. By blaming laws and bad cases people are going down the John Gilligan road of trying all means possible to get the laws that be to work out for them. McGeeney and Kildare Co. board after all the hard work done over the last few years are a laughing stock. I cannot imagine most Kildare fans being too pleased either.
Is there a losers round in the Championship that means Seanie will get to play for Kevins??
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
This is funny now.
Seanie Johnston will always be Seanie Johnston but what a complete fcukin jokeshop Kildare GAA have become.
Forgive my ignorance on the lad, but is he that good to be going through all this pish for him?
Lmao! SJ isnt the joke, the GAA and their committees are, trying to uphold rules that dont exist. What a bunch of clowns!
I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) ;D
Quote from: johnneycool on May 24, 2012, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 24, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
This is funny now.
Seanie Johnston will always be Seanie Johnston but what a complete fcukin jokeshop Kildare GAA have become.
Forgive my ignorance on the lad, but is he that good to be going through all this pish for him?
Hes a player that wants a transfer - its him who has to go through the pish, and it is absolute pish!
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2012, 11:03:33 AM
Is there a losers round in the Championship that means Seanie will get to play for Kevins??
Yes. Even if they lose the next round there would be more games to decide who gets relegated.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
I dont believe there was as much of an outcry when Larry Tompkins, the greatest footballer of his era, transferred to Cork after he fell out with Kildare Co Board?
By that stage he had already won a hatful of New York County championships with Donegal - hardly the same as this situation.
As for transfers in Dublin, the day the Dublin footballers develop a transfer policy such as the one McGeeney has I'll keep schtum. Until then I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion, just as you can defend the policy.
How is it different, Tompkins and Fahy playing for a county at the far end of the country? I don't remember anyone saying that Cork's two All-Irelands were tainted, or that the team contravened the ethos of the GAA.
Btw, I assume you boycotted Dublin games when Brian Murphy was on the panel?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2012, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
The brother spent last weekend in Belturbet visiting the in-laws. As he expected, there was plenty of talk about Seanie and Val and everybody, including his 90 plus mother-in-law had taken sides.
He was quite surprised at the number who backed Seanie. He claims everyone he spoke to reckoned Val was a total waste of space or worse.
Seanie got plenty of stick alright but nobody he talked to reckoned Val was up to it.
According to what he was told, Seanie and a few other players used Twitter to chat amongst themselves and in the process gave their opinions of Val and his management style.
Apparently, Val became aware of what was being posted about him and got to read the comments. Seems he wasn't too impressed.
The rest as they say is history.
I have no way of telling whether this really happened or not but I know a few of the buckos the bro met up with and they are all sound GAA men. Rory's supporters, the lot of them.
What has surprised me is that none of the Cavan lads on here have brought this story up to date. I'm not saying I know it's the truth but I'd bet that those who mentioned it to my brother did so in good faith.
Seriously, are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing even I who couldn't give a shit anymore about this saga remember the above allegation.
Hah???
I take it that's not directed at me personally but rather to the individuals here with a constipation of ideas and a diarrhoea of expression who are giving it welly.
I am a retired individual so I just don't have the time to sit my my keyboard all day. ;D
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
I dont believe there was as much of an outcry when Larry Tompkins, the greatest footballer of his era, transferred to Cork after he fell out with Kildare Co Board?
By that stage he had already won a hatful of New York County championships with Donegal - hardly the same as this situation.
As for transfers in Dublin, the day the Dublin footballers develop a transfer policy such as the one McGeeney has I'll keep schtum. Until then I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion, just as you can defend the policy.
How is it different, Tompkins and Fahy playing for a county at the far end of the country? I don't remember anyone saying that Cork's two All-Irelands were tainted, or that the team contravened the ethos of the GAA.
Btw, I assume you boycotted Dublin games when Brian Murphy was on the panel?
What a load of crap!
For one thing communication at that stage was useless and their certainly were no discussion boards for ordinary GAA folk to air their views on that occasion. Just because you can name other examples of this same thing happening doesn't mean that all cases were wrong!!!
The whole thing is a farce and Seanie Johnston needs to look at his behaviour in the first place. I would imagine he would have had to do something pretty drastic for Andrews to kick him off the panel when he's in his prime. Ultimately Andrews has paid the ultimate penalty and still even the current Cavan manager won't have him back. . . surely that says it all about the whole affair??!!
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: LilySavage on May 24, 2012, 10:14:25 AM
I dont believe there was as much of an outcry when Larry Tompkins, the greatest footballer of his era, transferred to Cork after he fell out with Kildare Co Board?
By that stage he had already won a hatful of New York County championships with Donegal - hardly the same as this situation.
As for transfers in Dublin, the day the Dublin footballers develop a transfer policy such as the one McGeeney has I'll keep schtum. Until then I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion, just as you can defend the policy.
How is it different, Tompkins and Fahy playing for a county at the far end of the country? I don't remember anyone saying that Cork's two All-Irelands were tainted, or that the team contravened the ethos of the GAA.
Btw, I assume you boycotted Dublin games when Brian Murphy was on the panel?
Afaik the reason Brian Murphy played for the Dubs was because he played underage for a Dublin team............ I think it was a vocational schools team. Think he was a Kerry guy.
Not too pushed either way on the SJ case.......... matter imo solely for Kildare GAA people to make their own minds up on. Up to 2/3 years ago Kildare underage teams were top notch but seem somehow to have fallen back a tad.
Big big year ahead for McGeaney and Kildare.
Quote from: Rawhide on May 19, 2012, 11:23:52 PM
This will be a doddle for Johnston at the DRA. Johnston will be able to demonstrate how the GAA on many occasions in the past has allowed transfers like this to go through.
As predicted, Regardless of your opinion on this, emotions are irrelevant, its about the rules. IMO members of the CCC should be suspended for abusing their power, and discriminating against a player who infact met the criteria with ease. This was a black and white easy call that showed how corrupt some parts of the GAA can be.
Justice at last,f**k the begrudgers.glad he kept appealing it and didn't quit when the losers on the cccc denied him the opportunity to play.i suppose it became a matter of principle
Quote from: Rawhide on May 24, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
Quote from: Rawhide on May 19, 2012, 11:23:52 PM
This will be a doddle for Johnston at the DRA. Johnston will be able to demonstrate how the GAA on many occasions in the past has allowed transfers like this to go through.
As predicted, Regardless of your opinion on this, emotions are irrelevant, its about the rules. IMO members of the CCC should be suspended for abusing their power, and discriminating against a player who infact met the criteria with ease. This was a black and white easy call that showed how corrupt some parts of the GAA can be.
Meanwhile back in a hotel somewhere in Kildare, the KDBTSC ( Kildare Disaffected But Talented County Sub Committee ) are lining up their next big signing.
We're going well now.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) ;D
Come again??
Tommy Callaghan @TommyCallaghan1
Seanie Johnston finally gets his move. Now await next developments but playing another round of SFC will not be one of these developments
The result of this episode is a bad result for the GAA in general as it sets a precedent that any player who is annoyed he is not getting selected can manufacture a transfer to another county. Indeed any player who just decides they want to improve their chances of winning something can move onto a new county. Sean Johnson can now move back to Cavan Town to live and continue to play with Kildare. The rules to stop this sort of abuse of the GAA should be tightened in some way but granted that will not be easily done.
As for Sean Johnson, good riddance I say. Let him go glory hunting but any medal he wins will mean nothing because no true sportsman likes mercenaries like him. It is sad that a great GAA county like Kildare have got themselves involved in this type of thing. I have always had great time for Kildare and their supporters. However, I hope they win nothing and that Johnson wins nothing and good luck to him living with the legacy that no other Cavan player in the history of our proud GAA heritage had ever had to live with – that of a turn coat. He's not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as any of our greats. I many ways I'm glad it's over and we get rid of this negative influence out of Cavan football.
Cavan Gaels seem okay with it.
Cavan Gaels GAA @cavangaelsGFC
Cavan Gaels would like to wish Sean Johnston the best of luck,he has being a great servant to our great club for many years.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 24, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2012, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
The brother spent last weekend in Belturbet visiting the in-laws. As he expected, there was plenty of talk about Seanie and Val and everybody, including his 90 plus mother-in-law had taken sides.
He was quite surprised at the number who backed Seanie. He claims everyone he spoke to reckoned Val was a total waste of space or worse.
Seanie got plenty of stick alright but nobody he talked to reckoned Val was up to it.
According to what he was told, Seanie and a few other players used Twitter to chat amongst themselves and in the process gave their opinions of Val and his management style.
Apparently, Val became aware of what was being posted about him and got to read the comments. Seems he wasn't too impressed.
The rest as they say is history.
I have no way of telling whether this really happened or not but I know a few of the buckos the bro met up with and they are all sound GAA men. Rory's supporters, the lot of them.
What has surprised me is that none of the Cavan lads on here have brought this story up to date. I'm not saying I know it's the truth but I'd bet that those who mentioned it to my brother did so in good faith.
Seriously, are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing even I who couldn't give a shit anymore about this saga remember the above allegation.
Hah???
I take it that's not directed at me personally but rather to the individuals here with a constipation of ideas and a diarrhoea of expression who are giving it welly.
I am a retired individual so I just don't have the time to sit my my keyboard all day. ;D
Pretty sure it was aimed at the people who said they didnt hear about the online allegations
Not a good day for Kildare football.
No individual is bigger than Kildare football - be they Johnston or McGeeney.
I hope the clubs stand their ground on this one and not allow the second round of the county championship to be rescheduled. I know in my own club 5 of our senior panel are off to the States within the next week and a few more are off to Europe for the soccer. Why should the clubs suffer just to accomodate Johnston?
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corrchoill on 30 June.
I can't see a proud hurling club like Coill Dubh agreeing to that to be honest. The whole thing has been a joke from day one but that would just top the lot if he came on in that for the last 30 seconds.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2012, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corrchoill on 30 June.
I can't see a proud hurling club like Coill Dubh agreeing to that to be honest. The whole thing has been a joke from day one but that would just top the lot if he came on in that for the last 30 seconds.
But then he'd miss the Offaly game :D
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
weekend of June 30th and July 1st
Who'd have him, Coill Dubh (closest club to St Kevins) Celbridge and Ardclough (Straffan would be in the middle of these two) would be the three nearest him. Can't imagine someone like Noel Casey in Coill Dubh accommodating Seanie.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Hurling in Kildare scheduled for late June/Early July - Pre-Leinster final.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2012, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corrchoill on 30 June.
I can't see a proud hurling club like Coill Dubh agreeing to that to be honest. The whole thing has been a joke from day one but that would just top the lot if he came on in that for the last 30 seconds.
But then he'd miss the Offaly game :D
Sure we can have big Willie Heff deputise for him in that one.
Feck it, now there's a transfer I'd support. Big Willie Heffernan to a county that would appreciate his attributes. The man is a natural BIFFO.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2012, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corrchoill on 30 June.
I can't see a proud hurling club like Coill Dubh agreeing to that to be honest. The whole thing has been a joke from day one but that would just top the lot if he came on in that for the last 30 seconds.
As an aside tactically it would make more sense to start him and then then take him off immediately but what would coach would sacrifice a substitute just to please some guy from Cavan and another guy from Armagh although Coill Dubh should beat Eire Og with something to spare.
Now that would be embarrassing for all.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
weekend of June 30th and July 1st
Who'd have him, Coill Dubh (closest club to St Kevins) Celbridge and Ardclough (Straffan would be in the middle of these two) would be the three nearest him. Can't imagine someone like Noel Casey in Coill Dubh accommodating Seanie.
Yeah it's a complete non-runner.
The county is a complete laughing stock as it is without having him line out in a club hurling match. He'll have to knuckle down with Kevin's and write off this inter-county season. I suppose we can look forward to him doing his John Terry act with the panel for the summer like after the Tyrone match.
All neutral goodwill for Kildare has just gone out the window. Personally think he is an over-rated footballer anyway. Will he start for them?
When's the transfer window close for 2012/2013 season ? Will there be one before the National League and another one for after the National league ?.
There might be lads who show up well for their counties in the national league who Kildare might want to sign, now that there's apparently no problem with address or anything else to hinder them.
Will RTE be doing the transter window countdown clock ?.
Quote from: orangeman on May 24, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
When's the transfer window close for 2012/2013 season ? Will there be one before the National League and another one for after the National league ?.
There might be lads who show up well for their counties in the national league who Kildare might want to sign, now that there's apparently no problem with address or anything else to hinder them.
Will RTE be doing the transter window countdown clock ?.
Orangeman I agree with you on principle but people acting like this is a watershed transfer are deluding themselves. Zero difference between this and Thomas Walsh's transfer to Wicklow from Carlow, to name just one example.
People acting as if Kildare have broken some ethos that has been taboo up to now, when the fact is that the vast majority of counties have done something similar in the past.
Personally I'd favour a rule where once you've played minor or above for your county, you can never transfer, full stop.
A great boost for Kildare hurling!
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
weekend of June 30th and July 1st
Who'd have him, Coill Dubh (closest club to St Kevins) Celbridge and Ardclough (Straffan would be in the middle of these two) would be the three nearest him. Can't imagine someone like Noel Casey in Coill Dubh accommodating Seanie.
Coill Dubh is who I'm told he'll 'tog out' for.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2012, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corrchoill on 30 June.
I can't see a proud hurling club like Coill Dubh agreeing to that to be honest. The whole thing has been a joke from day one but that would just top the lot if he came on in that for the last 30 seconds.
But then he'd miss the Offaly game :D
And the first round of the Qualifiers?
QuoteNow that would be embarrassing for all
I think the whole saga is a complete embarrassment for all involved
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
weekend of June 30th and July 1st
Who'd have him, Coill Dubh (closest club to St Kevins) Celbridge and Ardclough (Straffan would be in the middle of these two) would be the three nearest him. Can't imagine someone like Noel Casey in Coill Dubh accommodating Seanie.
Coill Dubh is who I'm told he'll 'tog out' for.
Makes sense I suppose as Niall Carew would be a member there having played hurling for them for years.
Rumour on the Kildare forum "that the original transfer was blocked due to an objection by unnamed party.....as this objection was made before the 'Seanie Johnston Rule' was passed, apparently he is now free to play with Kildare without having to play championship with Kevins"
Any truth in that?
Who needs soap operas?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 24, 2012, 12:33:15 PM
DH, heffo was saying that he could play hurling to become eligible. Is there hurling scheduled?
weekend of June 30th and July 1st
Who'd have him, Coill Dubh (closest club to St Kevins) Celbridge and Ardclough (Straffan would be in the middle of these two) would be the three nearest him. Can't imagine someone like Noel Casey in Coill Dubh accommodating Seanie.
Coill Dubh is who I'm told he'll 'tog out' for.
Makes sense I suppose as Niall Carew would be a member there having played hurling for them for years.
Rumour on the Kildare forum "that the original transfer was blocked due to an objection by unnamed party.....as this objection was made before the 'Seanie Johnston Rule' was passed, apparently he is now free to play with Kildare without having to play championship with Kevins"
Any truth in that?
Who needs soap operas?
No truth as far as I know. Transfer was passed last night due to semantics and the absence of a certain keyword in correspondance from two other parties with an interest.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 02:11:51 PM
Makes sense I suppose as Niall Carew would be a member there having played hurling for them for years.
I hope Coill Dubh stand their ground and don't allow themselves to be used as a pawn in this. There's enough lip service paid to hurling in this county without it being used as a convenient stepping stone to enable a lad to be eligible to play football for Kildare.
Just on Twitter, Coffey would be the sports editor of the Kildare Nationalist.
Brendan Coffey @coffeybrendan
Seanie Johnston will have to play at least 2 mins with Coill Dubh in the #KildareSHC in order to be eligible to play with Kildare #GAA
Jaysus, he'd want to shine in those two minutes or there's no chance Willie Sunderland will pick him.
Ger Gilroy@gergilroy
@coffeybrendan some hero corner back will try and crack his shins, before muttering "that's hurling" in his ear...
;D
At least Twitter is showing the funny side
Daragh Ó Conchúir @RebelDevil71
@gergilroy @coffeybrendan like the Grange lad that nailed me from behind (jesus that sounds dodgy) + said 'put that in your f**king paper'!!
Didn't Peter Canavan register as a Killyclogher hurler to make him eligible for Tyrone football minors when his club Glencull were not recognised by the GAA? Not exactly the same scenario I know...
Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301)
(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?
(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?
(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 03:07:08 PM
Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301)
(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?
(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?
(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.
1. Third transfer application received by Croke Park on 02.04.12 - I've had lads moving from Dublin to other provinces who's transfer has taken longer. Once received by Croke Park it goes to Cavan County Secretary and from there to Cavan Gaels who have ten days to consider it. Third transfer application rejected by CCCC on 17.5.12 - fairly reasonable turnaround in my opinion.
2. See my previous post and the absence of a keyword from Cavan CB & Cavan Gaels. CCCC were not satisfied that he met the criteria for residency or for ethos. There were also questions marks over another issue which remain unresolved.
3. Quite simple, the rule that is now if force. If it were a competition that had already started by May 14th then it would be old rule, but clearly he must go by the rules in play now.
Will ya pass on my details to these fellas and I can clear things up for them before they go to print.
He would hardly be interested the truth wouldnt make as good a story.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 03:07:08 PM
Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301)
(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?
(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?
(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.
1. Third transfer application received by Croke Park on 02.04.12 - I've had lads moving from Dublin to other provinces who's transfer has taken longer. Once received by Croke Park it goes to Cavan County Secretary and from there to Cavan Gaels who have ten days to consider it. Third transfer application rejected by CCCC on 17.5.12 - fairly reasonable turnaround in my opinion.
2. See my previous post and the absence of a keyword from Cavan CB & Cavan Gaels. CCCC were not satisfied that he met the criteria for residency or for ethos. There were also questions marks over another issue which remain unresolved.
3. Quite simple, the rule that is now if force. If it were a competition that had already started by May 14th then it would be old rule, but clearly he must go by the rules in play now.
Will ya pass on my details to these fellas and I can clear things up for them before they go to print.
Fair enough, paper doesn't refuse ink though.
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship... are you really trying to tell me it just happened to go through a few days too late for him to play club championship?
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.
I thought Meath did a pretty good job of doing that this year themselves by getting relegated to Div. 3. ;)
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
Quote from: mup on May 24, 2012, 04:53:01 PM
I thought Meath did a pretty good job of doing that this year themselves by getting relegated to Div. 3. ;)
Useless as we are at the moment, at least we've never resorted to hiring mercenaries to play for us.
You'll win shag all with him and continue your long and proud tradition of winning shag all.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
In fairness it does look like they wanted him to miss the kildare championship.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.
Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.
Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?
Yes I honestly believe that.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) ;D
Come again??
You said you'd never heard of events as summarised in Lar narparkas post (and located by Dinny), despite the fact you're clearly all over the thread, and this was a very prominent post, commented on by quite a few other posters. I assume it must have been memory loss, for a committee member such as yourself would not stoop to lies ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2012, 04:40:28 PM
The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.
Do you not have another managerial fiasco to be occupying yourself with?
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.
Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?
Yes I honestly believe that.
If Croke Park didn't want him to play for Kildare then why did they not just reject the appeal? Naw - just delay it a bit, that'll really sicken them.... ::)
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 03:07:08 PM
Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301)
(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?
(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?
(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.
1. Third transfer application received by Croke Park on 02.04.12 - I've had lads moving from Dublin to other provinces who's transfer has taken longer. Once received by Croke Park it goes to Cavan County Secretary and from there to Cavan Gaels who have ten days to consider it. Third transfer application rejected by CCCC on 17.5.12 - fairly reasonable turnaround in my opinion.
2. See my previous post and the absence of a keyword from Cavan CB & Cavan Gaels. CCCC were not satisfied that he met the criteria for residency or for ethos. There were also questions marks over another issue which remain unresolved.
3. Quite simple, the rule that is now if force. If it were a competition that had already started by May 14th then it would be old rule, but clearly he must go by the rules in play now.
Will ya pass on my details to these fellas and I can clear things up for them before they go to print.
Lmao at you parading your inside committee knowldege round here, when it seems clear you're talking complete shite for the most part.
(1) 2 months for a transfer reasonable? On what planet??
(2) Cavan Gaels objected? Are you sure?
(3) Its about a transfer rule - what competition are you talking about? If the championship, the whole point is that this rule may not apply.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) ;D
Come again??
You said you'd never heard of events as summarised in Lar narparkas post (and located by Dinny), despite the fact you're clearly all over the thread, and this was a very prominent post, commented on by quite a few other posters. I assume it must have been memory loss, for a committee member such as yourself would not stoop to lies ;)
I think your comments are a little unfair.
Since day one when I first started posting on this topic most of the factual stuff I've posted has been derided as lies by various posters but all were subsequently proven true.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2012, 05:01:27 PM
Quote from: mup on May 24, 2012, 04:53:01 PM
I thought Meath did a pretty good job of doing that this year themselves by getting relegated to Div. 3. ;)
Useless as we are at the moment, at least we've never resorted to hiring mercenaries to play for us.
You'll win shag all with him and continue your long and proud tradition of winning shag all.
Sure didn't ye sign someone from an American Club there recently.
Last time I looked I thought I saw a Div 2 Trophy in the cabinet. Not much but better than 'winning shag all'.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 03:07:08 PM
Leinster Leader posing some interesting questions
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301 (http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/still-questions-to-be-answered-over-johnston-s-delayed-transfer-1-3879301)
(1) Why has a decision been delayed until now when this transfer was originally lodged with Croke Park on 22 March?
(2) One of the reasons given at an earlier appeal as to why the transfer request was held up was that Cavan Gaels and Cavan Co. Board were objecting to the move but now it transpires that neither Cavan Gaels or Cavan Co. Board lodged an objection within the ten day period allowed for such objections. So why was the transfer not granted once all other criteria was met?
(3) When Johnston's appeal was lodged (and heard initially) it was held under the old rule and prior to Congress changing the rule re a player must play with his club in the local championship prior to playing with the county, so with the transfer having now been granted does it come under the original rule (when the initial hearings were held) or under the new rule which only came into operation on Monday 14 May.
1. Third transfer application received by Croke Park on 02.04.12 - I've had lads moving from Dublin to other provinces who's transfer has taken longer. Once received by Croke Park it goes to Cavan County Secretary and from there to Cavan Gaels who have ten days to consider it. Third transfer application rejected by CCCC on 17.5.12 - fairly reasonable turnaround in my opinion.
2. See my previous post and the absence of a keyword from Cavan CB & Cavan Gaels. CCCC were not satisfied that he met the criteria for residency or for ethos. There were also questions marks over another issue which remain unresolved.
3. Quite simple, the rule that is now if force. If it were a competition that had already started by May 14th then it would be old rule, but clearly he must go by the rules in play now.
Will ya pass on my details to these fellas and I can clear things up for them before they go to print.
Lmao at you parading your inside committee knowldege round here, when it seems clear you're talking complete shite for the most part.
(1) 2 months for a transfer reasonable? On what planet??
(2) Cavan Gaels objected? Are you sure?
(3) Its about a transfer rule - what competition are you talking about? If the championship, the whole point is that this rule may not apply.
I'm not parading anything.
I'm not going to repeat myself ad nauseum. See my previous post and how accurate my posts have been since day one. I'll let others be the judge on that.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2012, 04:40:28 PM
The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.
Do you not have another managerial fiasco to be occupying yourself with?
He has a point in fairness. Some people in the county need to have a serious look at themselves.
If he turns out for Coill Dubh at the end of June (McGeeney surely hasn't the power to demand another round of football championship?), who will make way for him? Moolick? Smith? Dowling? Fogarty? Brophy and Hurley (both Sigerson All-Stars this season Brophy for the second year in succession) have already been let go from the panel. These young lads are far more important to Kildare's future than Johnston.
We're not in that strong a position that we can afford to let these young lads drift away and this saga sends out completely the wrong signal to them. We haven't heard the end of this by a long shot and I can see it coming back to bite us on the arse at some stage.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 24, 2012, 04:40:28 PM
The Flourbags are actually disgracing themselves at this stage.
Do you not have another managerial fiasco to be occupying yourself with?
You know I'm right.
Ok Donnellys Hollow may I ask you this?
Remember '98 and the three 'outsiders' we had. I'm sure then we had three Kildare men lose their place on the panel to those same three outsiders. I don't that has done a whole lot of harm to Kildare football. Our underage set up has improved hugely over the past 4/5 years. These were the kids who saw Kildare reach an AI in '98 and spawned their interest in putting on the white jersey.
The outsiders in that case didn't do any harm at all to the future of Kildare football.
Quote from: mup on May 24, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
Ok Donnellys Hollow may I ask you this?
Remember '98 and the three 'outsiders' we had. I'm sure then we had three Kildare men lose their place on the panel to those same three outsiders. I don't that has done a whole lot of harm to Kildare football. Our underage set up has improved hugely over the past 4/5 years. These were the kids who saw Kildare reach an AI in '98 and spawned their interest in putting on the white jersey.
The outsiders in that case didn't do any harm at all to the future of Kildare football.
You could counter that by pointing to the example of John Divily in the middle of the last decade. Look at how Mick Foley's development was delayed because we had Divily doing such a sterling job in the no 6 shirt. We'd be far better off blooding Dowling or Fogarty (like we did in the league final) and having them benefit from the experience rather than turning to an outsider. Who's to say whether Johnston will be around in two or three years time?
'98 was all well and good but I fail to see how O'Dwyer, Lacey and Murphy are relevant to this argument. Different times and all that. You'd have think Kildare football would have moved on from where we were twelve years ago now that we've finally got our underage structures in decent shape.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.
Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?
Yes I honestly believe that.
OK, fair enough, though I'd say you're in the vast minority. Maybe I'm paranoid.
Quote from: mup on May 24, 2012, 05:49:17 PM
Ok Donnellys Hollow may I ask you this?
Remember '98 and the three 'outsiders' we had. I'm sure then we had three Kildare men lose their place on the panel to those same three outsiders. I don't that has done a whole lot of harm to Kildare football. Our underage set up has improved hugely over the past 4/5 years. These were the kids who saw Kildare reach an AI in '98 and spawned their interest in putting on the white jersey.
The outsiders in that case didn't do any harm at all to the future of Kildare football.
It's not really about whether it's good or not for Kildare football - I don't agree with the transfer because it's not what the GAA should be about.
However, I also don't agree with the hypocrisy and anti-Kildare bias whereby people carry on as if this is the first inter-county transfer in history, and who don't bat an eyelid when Laois, Offaly, Wicklow or Cork do the same.
And I certainly don't agree with Meath men calling us a 'disgrace'.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) ;D
Come again??
You said you'd never heard of events as summarised in Lar narparkas post (and located by Dinny), despite the fact you're clearly all over the thread, and this was a very prominent post, commented on by quite a few other posters. I assume it must have been memory loss, for a committee member such as yourself would not stoop to lies ;)
I think your comments are a little unfair.
Since day one when I first started posting on this topic most of the factual stuff I've posted has been derided as lies by various posters but all were subsequently proven true.
Except the post agreeing you'd never heard the above!
Ach, its all just a bit of craic Heffo, sure doesnt it add to the pantomime ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
I'll reduce it to one question in plain English.
Do you honestly believe that Croke Park did not intentionally delay this transfer to stop Seanie Johnston lining out for St Kevin's last weekend?
Yes I honestly believe that.
If Croke Park didn't want him to play for Kildare then why did they not just reject the appeal? Naw - just delay it a bit, that'll really sicken them.... ::)
Because there was absolutely no basis to do so, as evidenced by the fact they went so far as to introduce new laws during the process which themselves were flawed ;D f**king inept hoors! Actually, it'll save a lot of time if you just read the thread!
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 06:37:18 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:31:48 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 05:24:28 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 12:12:36 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:14:43 AM
I hope your committee is more adept Heffo (btw, did Dinny refresh your memory ok?) ;D
Come again??
You said you'd never heard of events as summarised in Lar narparkas post (and located by Dinny), despite the fact you're clearly all over the thread, and this was a very prominent post, commented on by quite a few other posters. I assume it must have been memory loss, for a committee member such as yourself would not stoop to lies ;)
I think your comments are a little unfair.
Since day one when I first started posting on this topic most of the factual stuff I've posted has been derided as lies by various posters but all were subsequently proven true.
Except the post agreeing you'd never heard the above!
Ach, its all just a bit of craic Heffo, sure doesnt it add to the pantomime ;)
Genuinely don't recall and certainly never posted about it.
Did hear from a very good source a different story about a phone call on speaker in the car and the other party not knowing there was another person in the car.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
Surely it has been established that each of those three applications were incorrectly rejected?
There is a serious charge here of malicious misuse of authority and procedure,one that has been highlighted on this forum from an early stage.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 24, 2012, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:59:20 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 24, 2012, 04:16:24 PM
Come off it, we all know Croke Park stalled this so that Kevin's would already have played championship...
Really?
How long in your experience does the average inter-provincial transfer take? One that isn't contrived now...
Yes really. Are you honestly telling me that it couldn't have gone through last week? That the timing of the first round of the Kildare club championship had nothing to do with it? That Cavan Gaels or Cavan did lodge an objection, contrary to number two above?
You're trying to paint this as just a normal inter-provincial transfer that took the normal amount of time, that Croke Park simply processed it as they usually would. We both know that from day one it has not been viewed that way.
I'm struggling to understand your questions.
Are you asking or stating that both Cavan parties made an objection? I've stated twice in the last few hours what happened there.
I'll be clear, this transfer, the third such application was processed in a normal amount of time.
Surely it has been established that each of those three applications were incorrectly rejected?
How so?
The first was rejected as he gave an address he wasn't living at and wasn't planning on transferring clubs.
Why was the second rejected and why was it illegally so?
The third was allowed through by the CHC on a technicality...
Whatever about other counties and transfers this sets a very bad precedent for tha GAA. This is the first time a high profile player has moved from weaker county to strong county where there is no connection with county he moves to i.e does not work there and is only living there as a means to an end. As a Dublin supporter I would not accept this if we went after or took a player in on that basis.
In essense now there is nothing to stop under the counter deals being done to persuade talented players moving to strong teams. Whether Johnstons move is technically within the rules or not doesn't matter. It is not right. Think it also reflects very poorly on Kildare and shows McGeaney and the Kildare county board have no shame in how they're going about their business. If he qualifies to play via hurling game that will top it all off. Will turn a lot of people against Kildare when he eventually does put on a jersey he has no right to wear. Shocking way also to treat the decent underage players that Kildare have coming through.
Will be really interesting to see if Johnston stays with Kildare after McGeaney goes which could in fact be this year. if Kildare don't win anything this year it's hard to see how the KCB can afford to keep mortgaging the county's future to pay him and his entourage.
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 24, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
In essense now there is nothing to stop under the counter deals being done to persuade talented players moving to strong teams.
Ehhhh...amateur status??
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on May 24, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
In essense now there is nothing to stop under the counter deals being done to persuade talented players moving to strong teams.
Ehhhh...amateur status??
Yeah right! Open your eyes! Do you believe there arent already incentives/inducements being offered around club transfers?
And you can be pretty sure a certain mercenary isn't being left out of pocket as he does his 275km round trip to teach in Cavan each day.
Well there we go! I find it incredibly interesting that you are perfectly willing to accept payments, or at least shrug and say 'sure theres nothing we can do', which is completely against the 'ETHOS OF THE GAA', but are crying like f**k about a transfer which fulfils the GAAs own rules (and doesnt even run contrary to any ethos, real or imagined).
Stop the payments, and would there be any problem with players moving willy nilly? No, which would invalidate any of the 'greater good' arguments. Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees!!
(Btw, just to clarify I'm certain SJs transfer isnt motivated by money. Do you or anyone else on here think it is?)
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
Well there we go! I find it incredibly interesting that you are perfectly willing to accept payments, or at least shrug and say 'sure theres nothing we can do', which is completely against the 'ETHOS OF THE GAA', but are crying like f**k about a transfer which fulfils the GAAs own rules (and doesnt even run contrary to any ethos, real or imagined).
Stop the payments, and would there be any problem with players moving willy nilly? No, which would invalidate any of the 'greater good' arguments. Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees!!
(Btw, just to clarify I'm certain SJs transfer isnt motivated by money. Do you or anyone else on here think it is?)
What a pile of sh1te you continue to write every time you post on this topic. Heffo somehow has the patience to engage with you. I certainly don't!
You're able to come on and say you're against transfers and its a disgrace etc etc, but havent a word to say about payments to players, which is much more integrally against what the gaa stands for?
And you're saying I'm talking shite?? Its not the patience you're lacking, its the ability to think at all logically
wish they give this man the transfer or this thread will go on forever, easily gotta hit a 100 pages, can we not talk about something else
Quote from: ludermor on May 24, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 24, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 22, 2012, 12:25:57 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
The brother spent last weekend in Belturbet visiting the in-laws. As he expected, there was plenty of talk about Seanie and Val and everybody, including his 90 plus mother-in-law had taken sides.
He was quite surprised at the number who backed Seanie. He claims everyone he spoke to reckoned Val was a total waste of space or worse.
Seanie got plenty of stick alright but nobody he talked to reckoned Val was up to it.
According to what he was told, Seanie and a few other players used Twitter to chat amongst themselves and in the process gave their opinions of Val and his management style.
Apparently, Val became aware of what was being posted about him and got to read the comments. Seems he wasn't too impressed.
The rest as they say is history.
I have no way of telling whether this really happened or not but I know a few of the buckos the bro met up with and they are all sound GAA men. Rory's supporters, the lot of them.
What has surprised me is that none of the Cavan lads on here have brought this story up to date. I'm not saying I know it's the truth but I'd bet that those who mentioned it to my brother did so in good faith.
Seriously, are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing even I who couldn't give a shit anymore about this saga remember the above allegation.
Hah???
I take it that's not directed at me personally but rather to the individuals here with a constipation of ideas and a diarrhoea of expression who are giving it welly.
I am a retired individual so I just don't have the time to sit my my keyboard all day. ;D
Pretty sure it was aimed at the people who said they didnt hear about the online allegations
Ah, sure I know damn well it was.
I'm just trying to give Jinxy a hand to make a hundred pager out of this topic since the Ballagh one fizzled out. The Rossies have no fight left in them at all. ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 24, 2012, 11:55:36 PM
wish they give this man the transfer or this thread will go on forever, easily gotta hit a 100 pages, can we not talk about something else
Do you live in the clouds?
Who is this upstart gonna replace in the starting 15 ???? ..................................... guarantee this bucko johnson gets sent off vs meath or dublin ;)....................................the bould seamus kenny ger brennan or phily mcmahon will bend his ear
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on May 25, 2012, 10:21:57 AM
Who is this upstart gonna replace in the starting 15 ???? ..................................... guarantee this bucko johnson gets sent off vs meath or dublin ;)....................................the bould seamus kenny ger brennan or phily mcmahon will bend his ear
Assuming Earley and Hugh Lynch are not ready for 70 minutes and Padraig O'Neill starts midfield with Flynn (which is a big assumption) that leaves Doyle, Callaghan, Conway, Eoghan O'Flaherty, Kavanagh and O'Connor as highly probable starters; so I wouldn't take it for granted that Johnston will start at all, though he might end up playing Doyle at midfield which creates a slot. I reckon if Johnston is eligible and in good form he will end up pushing Smith, Padraig Fogarty and Fionn Dowling down the pecking order. Though McGeeney tends to base his team selections on who's going well in training so it could be any six from all the players I've named.
Also, I would imagine that Ger Brennan will be shorter odds to get sent off than anyone else, with the possible exception of Diarmuid Connolly.
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
Well there we go! I find it incredibly interesting that you are perfectly willing to accept payments, or at least shrug and say 'sure theres nothing we can do', which is completely against the 'ETHOS OF THE GAA', but are crying like f**k about a transfer which fulfils the GAAs own rules (and doesnt even run contrary to any ethos, real or imagined).
Stop the payments, and would there be any problem with players moving willy nilly? No, which would invalidate any of the 'greater good' arguments. Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees!!
(Btw, just to clarify I'm certain SJs transfer isnt motivated by money. Do you or anyone else on here think it is?)
Seanie?? Is that you??!
What are you on about showing outrage for pay for play? It's been debated at length on this forum with very few people coming out in favour of it. As I have also said there is nobody on here defending the transfers of Tomkins, Walsh etc. so why are you trying to say people keep defending it?
The Johnson situation stinks to high heaven. The manager who dropped him isn't there any more . . . what possible reason is there that he's not playing for Cavan again?!!
There can only be 2 reasons for it:
1. He's a complete disruption to the team and the current management team don't want him either.
2. He's a mercenary who sees that Cavan are 4/5 years away from making a serious challenge and has decided to turn his back on his County for glory elsewhere.
Whether the rules are wrong or blah blah blah there is something inherently wrong with someone turning their back on the people who made him the footballer he is today. Were I one of his previous coaches I would feel physically sick at the thought of him being allowed to transfer to Kildare when I'd invested so much time and effort into somebody who was going to help get Cavan Football out of the doldrums!
In fairness the the present manager was part of the management team who got rid of him and some would say was the one that wanted him gone from the panel.
Its done, lets not waste any more words on this glory hunter
Hyland did say when asked about Johnston that if Johnston was playing for Cavan Gaels that they would of course see how he was going but that Johnston had gone fairly far down the road of playing for Kildare.
I wonder what our poster Samstheaim thinks of all this.......
I agree. There was one outstanding issue though whether it comes to light or not remains to be seen.
Quote from: screenexile on May 25, 2012, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on May 24, 2012, 11:18:54 PM
Well there we go! I find it incredibly interesting that you are perfectly willing to accept payments, or at least shrug and say 'sure theres nothing we can do', which is completely against the 'ETHOS OF THE GAA', but are crying like f**k about a transfer which fulfils the GAAs own rules (and doesnt even run contrary to any ethos, real or imagined).
Stop the payments, and would there be any problem with players moving willy nilly? No, which would invalidate any of the 'greater good' arguments. Talk about not being able to see the wood for the trees!!
(Btw, just to clarify I'm certain SJs transfer isnt motivated by money. Do you or anyone else on here think it is?)
Seanie?? Is that you??!
What are you on about showing outrage for pay for play?
If you're going to stick your oar in, at least try to ensure you've the context correct.
The pay for play issue only arose in this context because the SJ transfer has been held up as this precedent which will release floodgates and players will get money hand over fist to go to counties everywhere.
The point was that those wringing their hands over the SJ saga and the ethos of the GAA are seemingly oblivious to the fact that in the scenario they envisage as now inevitable, there is a much bigger issue than SJs transfer, which they dont seem too bothered about. It seems incredibly short sighted, or inconsistent, I'm not sure which.
Seanie Johnston going back with Cavan was never going to happen,why would he,he got no support from the players at the time when he was treated appallingly by management.he carried them on his own for years and he got treated like that.better off well away
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 25, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
Its done, lets not waste any more words on this glory hunter
Keep you powder dry Myles. This one has legs to run yet.
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 25, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Seanie Johnston going back with Cavan was never going to happen,why would he,he got no support from the players at the time when he was treated appallingly by management.he carried them on his own for years and he got treated like that.better off well away
Yes - let us all rejoice that this man has been released from the shackles of oppression that bound him. Hallelujah! ::)
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 25, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Seanie Johnston going back with Cavan was never going to happen,why would he,he got no support from the players at the time when he was treated appallingly by management.he carried them on his own for years and he got treated like that.better off well away
Where did he carry them to? Was he driving the bus?
Maybe the fact that the players never even whimpered tells its own tale.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 25, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 25, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Seanie Johnston going back with Cavan was never going to happen,why would he,he got no support from the players at the time when he was treated appallingly by management.he carried them on his own for years and he got treated like that.better off well away
Yes - let us all rejoice that this man has been released from the shackles of oppression that bound him. Hallelujah! ::)
The ties that bind still oppress him Seanie. He isn't free yet. Watch this space.
This watershed moment may well come to be known as the "holiday home rule" Some of the counties most likely to benefit include Donegal and Sligo. A simple surfing holiday can technically get you a transfer.*
*Its important to point out that 99 % of GAA players would never be surfers. Water is way too cold.
In the middle of all of this let's not forget that this is not ALL Seanie's doing and let's not reserve ALL of the criticism for the way Seanie had conducted himself throughout this debacle.
Let's not forget about the input the manager, the county board officials and the significant role the KDBTSC ( Kildare Disaffected But Talented County Sub Committee ) have had in all of this.
Seanie couldn't have got this transfer through without the encouragment of the above named.
Plus he couldn't have got his ass on those nice Recaro seats in Croke Park on league finals day without having been invited in.
Let's not forget the weak county board officials who knew fine well that this transfer was a bogus one and who just went along with it as a means to an end and did and said what was necesary to get it through.
The manager, the county board officials and the KDBTSC ( Kildare Disaffected But Talented County Sub Committee ) must feel that they've done a great job and maybe allowed themselves a wee celebratory drink last night.
Congratulations and well done to all.
Would he start for Kildare? And is there pressure on McGeeney now to stick with him after all the fuss?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 25, 2012, 12:57:08 AM
Quote from: ludermor on May 24, 2012, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 24, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
The brother spent last weekend in Belturbet visiting the in-laws. As he expected, there was plenty of talk about Seanie and Val and everybody, including his 90 plus mother-in-law had taken sides.
He was quite surprised at the number who backed Seanie. He claims everyone he spoke to reckoned Val was a total waste of space or worse.
Seanie got plenty of stick alright but nobody he talked to reckoned Val was up to it.
According to what he was told, Seanie and a few other players used Twitter to chat amongst themselves and in the process gave their opinions of Val and his management style.
Apparently, Val became aware of what was being posted about him and got to read the comments. Seems he wasn't too impressed.
The rest as they say is history.
I have no way of telling whether this really happened or not but I know a few of the buckos the bro met up with and they are all sound GAA men. Rory's supporters, the lot of them.
What has surprised me is that none of the Cavan lads on here have brought this story up to date. I'm not saying I know it's the truth but I'd bet that those who mentioned it to my brother did so in good faith.
Seriously, are you all just arguing for the sake of arguing even I who couldn't give a shit anymore about this saga remember the above allegation.
Hah???
I take it that's not directed at me personally but rather to the individuals here with a constipation of ideas and a diarrhoea of expression who are giving it welly.
I am a retired individual so I just don't have the time to sit my my keyboard all day. ;D
Pretty sure it was aimed at the people who said they didnt hear about the online allegations
Ah, sure I know damn well it was.
I'm just trying to give Jinxy a hand to make a hundred pager out of this topic since the Ballagh one fizzled out. The Rossies have no fight left in them at all. ;D
They're nearly as bad as the Tyrone crowd.
Quote from: rrhf on May 25, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
This watershed moment may well come to be known as the "holiday home rule" Some of the counties most likely to benefit include Donegal and Sligo. A simple surfing holiday can technically get you a transfer.*
*Its important to point out that 99 % of GAA players would never be surfers. Water is way too cold.
Balax. The Washingbay would've cleaned up the talent years ago.
Everyone shhhhhhhhhhh. Let he of Croke Park Committee have his say. He's mad to get it.
Go ahead heffo... ;D
Are you called mup because you're too thick to spell Muppet?
Depends. Only if you're too thick to spell mylestheslasherisaw***er :P
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 05:44:51 PM
Everyone shhhhhhhhhhh. Let he of Croke Park Committee have his say. He's mad to get it.
Go ahead heffo... ;D
I believe I've had my say since day one and have been fairly spot on.
It's regrettable you're unable to discuss your point and try to drag the discussion down to a juvenile level.
Jeez man wheres your sense of humour?
But in fairness you're bursting to tell someone so you might as well spit it out now.
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 10:05:59 PM
Jeez man wheres your sense of humour?
But in fairness you're bursting to tell someone so you might as well spit it out now.
I'm not bursting to tell anyone.
I'm sure it will come out in due course.
Ps - it's not 'Croke Park committees it's 'Central' committees.
Well your two posts up above tell me otherwise.
If you do happen to be a member of one of those committees then I don't think its right that you should be broadcasting what you on a website. In fact its wrong that you know at all to be honest given that you claim not to be a member of the CCCC. As the bould Hamlet might say 'Something is rotten in the GAA'. Or something similar.
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
If you do happen to be a member of one of those committees then I don't think its right that you should be broadcasting what you on a website.
Come again? Speaka the English?
of course he start if fit, been outta county training along time and couldnt be anywhere near the fitness required at present, but hes a serious threat at corner forward from what i seen of him playing on what was a bad cavan team in recent times, having played kildare 3 or 4 times in the few years they rdepend alot on johnny doyle and james cav, so am not sure why people think hes not good enough to start. might as well keep this thread rolling to the 100 mark and call it a day, question now asked is why the transfer was delayed in the first place?
Quote from: Bingo on May 25, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 25, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Seanie Johnston going back with Cavan was never going to happen,why would he,he got no support from the players at the time when he was treated appallingly by management.he carried them on his own for years and he got treated like that.better off well away
Where did he carry them to? Was he driving the bus?
Maybe the fact that the players never even whimpered tells its own tale.
How exactly did he carry Cavan? By heading to America for the summer and skipping the qualifiers a few years back?
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
As the bould Hamlet might say 'Something is rotten in the GAA'. Or something similar.
That Shakespeare fella was way ahead of his time.
There is indeed something rotten in the GAA and in my opinion is currently living in an apartment provided FOC by a member of the Kildare Supporters club.
Quote from: heffo on May 25, 2012, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
As the bould Hamlet might say 'Something is rotten in the GAA'. Or something similar.
That Shakespeare fella was way ahead of his time.
There is indeed something rotten in the GAA and in my opinion is currently living in an apartment provided FOC by a member of the Kildare Supporters club.
+1
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
Well your two posts up above tell me otherwise.
If you do happen to be a member of one of those committees then I don't think its right that you should be broadcasting what you on a website. In fact its wrong that you know at all to be honest given that you claim not to be a member of the CCCC. As the bould Hamlet might say 'Something is rotten in the GAA'. Or something similar.
I'm not a member of the CCCC or anything near it and as I've already stated as a member of the GAA I'm perfectly entitled to voice my opinion on this issue.
Quote from: big balla on May 25, 2012, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 25, 2012, 10:23:31 PM
Quote from: mup on May 25, 2012, 10:17:55 PM
As the bould Hamlet might say 'Something is rotten in the GAA'. Or something similar.
That Shakespeare fella was way ahead of his time.
There is indeed something rotten in the GAA and in my opinion is currently living in an apartment provided FOC by a member of the Kildare Supporters club.
+1
+2.
Us Ros lads should probably be keeping our heads down these days but this whole saga is a disgraceful exploitation of GAA rules.
FFS if he was teaching in Dublin or Wickla or the like there might be some decency in it ...but for a man from Cavan Town who is a teacher in Cavan Town to be living in Straffan ::) ::) ::) ::)
Then he joins a club miles away from Straffan -- where there is a club - more of these ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I never said you were a member of Cccc.
Do you think you have right to come onto forum and mention things that perhaps shouldnt be known in public? Its akin to a Fine Gael back bencher coming on here telling us whats coming up in the budget.
Im just not comfortable with the fact that the hallowed halls of Croke Park are just one big gossip shop.
Quote from: big balla on May 25, 2012, 10:22:14 PM
Quote from: Bingo on May 25, 2012, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 25, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Seanie Johnston going back with Cavan was never going to happen,why would he,he got no support from the players at the time when he was treated appallingly by management.he carried them on his own for years and he got treated like that.better off well away
Where did he carry them to? Was he driving the bus?
Maybe the fact that the players never even whimpered tells its own tale.
How exactly did he carry Cavan? By heading to America for the summer and skipping the qualifiers a few years back?
He was consistently cavans best play by far these past 10 years or so.is it again the law to go away for a summer and maybe enjoy himself,that's another thing that's against the ethos of the GAA and frowned upon.
Best player in the last 10 years!? Consistently!? You sir are deluded. Johnston is behind Larry Reilly, Jason Reilly and Dermot McCabe in terms of impact and talent over the past decade.
Quote from: Westside on May 26, 2012, 01:06:24 AM
Best player in the last 10 years!? Consistently!? You sir are deluded. Johnston is behind Larry Reilly, Jason Reilly and Dermot McCabe in terms of impact and talent over the past decade.
Think your the one that's deluded.behind larry and Jason Reilly,your having a laugh,not even in the same league
He's not fit to lace either Jason or Larrys boots.
Both in their prime were far superior players.
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 26, 2012, 02:15:48 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 26, 2012, 01:06:24 AM
Best player in the last 10 years!? Consistently!? You sir are deluded. Johnston is behind Larry Reilly, Jason Reilly and Dermot McCabe in terms of impact and talent over the past decade.
Think your the one that's deluded.behind larry and Jason Reilly,your having a laugh,not even in the same league
Judging by your user name and comments I'm guessing you watch more premier league than cavan gaa. Johnson wouldn't even figure in my top 15 cavan players in my life time. I'd take McCabe with 1 leg ahead of him and Larry was just way better. Johnston played as many crap games as he did great ones and bulked up a lot of his score tallies with frees.
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/107662/
I think this answers the question. Hero.
Seanie is another one of these lads who gets better the less he plays.
I was just thinking of all this from a Kildare perspective and I have to say McGeeney is taking an incredible, maybe even a bizarre, risk. He has to deliver something this year or he is gone. Its Leinster or bust I'm thinking. He has pissed of a lot of Kildare followers head hunting players, if he manages to get championship matches moved or johnston onto a hurling team then he will have pissed off even more. The knives will be out for him if it all goes badly. Where does that leave Johnston next year?
Then if Johnston doesn't get his run out for St Kevins, he sits on his arse till next season. Who knows who will be in charge next season down there.
It all seems like a really stupid exercise from all involved.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 26, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
I was just thinking of all this from a Kildare perspective and I have to say McGeeney is taking an incredible, maybe even a bizarre, risk. He has to deliver something this year or he is gone. Its Leinster or bust I'm thinking. He has pissed of a lot of Kildare followers head hunting players, if he manages to get championship matches moved or johnston onto a hurling team then he will have pissed off even more. The knives will be out for him if it all goes badly. Where does that leave Johnston next year?
Then if Johnston doesn't get his run out for St Kevins, he sits on his arse till next season. Who knows who will be in charge next season down there.
It all seems like a really stupid exercise from all involved.
Val?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 26, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
I was just thinking of all this from a Kildare perspective and I have to say McGeeney is taking an incredible, maybe even a bizarre, risk. He has to deliver something this year or he is gone. Its Leinster or bust I'm thinking. He has pissed of a lot of Kildare followers head hunting players, if he manages to get championship matches moved or johnston onto a hurling team then he will have pissed off even more. The knives will be out for him if it all goes badly. Where does that leave Johnston next year?
Then if Johnston doesn't get his run out for St Kevins, he sits on his arse till next season. Who knows who will be in charge next season down there.
It all seems like a really stupid exercise from all involved.
Unless the intellect of the average Kildare supporter has dropped considerably, you are not.
kinda think he better than the reillys myself, larry reilly was a speed merchant and was hard to handle but faded in latter yrs when the legs went, Jason o`reilly was dangerous and had a good goal threat, overall johnston would be more gifted though he didnt give cavan what reillys did but still say he wasa better foobtaller, McCabe would be cavan best footballer of the past 25yrs but was really a midfielder and comparsion between midfielders and corner forwards cant really be done, sure the forward never score if the midfielder or defender didnt set up plays for them
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 26, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
I was just thinking of all this from a Kildare perspective and I have to say McGeeney is taking an incredible, maybe even a bizarre, risk. He has to deliver something this year or he is gone. Its Leinster or bust I'm thinking. He has pissed of a lot of Kildare followers head hunting players, if he manages to get championship matches moved or johnston onto a hurling team then he will have pissed off even more. The knives will be out for him if it all goes badly. Where does that leave Johnston next year?
Then if Johnston doesn't get his run out for St Kevins, he sits on his arse till next season. Who knows who will be in charge next season down there.
It all seems like a really stupid exercise from all involved.
Myles, let that codger go where he will.
There is no point in raising your blood pressure or disturbing your sleep any more.
Seanie is past history now for Cavan GAA fans.
You captured the mood of the general public perfectly when you wrote an analysis of the reasons why the massacre at Loughinisland ought to be commemorated.
I think it was one of the most memorable posts I have read on this board.
Hard to credit it came from the same individual who is ranting away here.
You can and have done much better.
After all, Seanie is a free agent. He can't be forced to play for Cavan or any other county against his will. I doubt that he will be a positive addition to McGeeney's squad given the extra baggage he brings with him but that's another story.
BTW, is Seanie a son of the late Brian Johnston, the former county manager?
I knew poor Brian well when he was the Wicklow manager and he was one hell of a decent man.
I lost contact when Brian moved to Cavan and don't know what any of his family is doing now
Quote from: Jinxy on May 26, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
He's not fit to lace either Jason or Larrys boots.
Both in their prime were far superior players.
I wont disagree with that.
Good man Larry.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 26, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 26, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
I was just thinking of all this from a Kildare perspective and I have to say McGeeney is taking an incredible, maybe even a bizarre, risk. He has to deliver something this year or he is gone. Its Leinster or bust I'm thinking. He has pissed of a lot of Kildare followers head hunting players, if he manages to get championship matches moved or johnston onto a hurling team then he will have pissed off even more. The knives will be out for him if it all goes badly. Where does that leave Johnston next year?
Then if Johnston doesn't get his run out for St Kevins, he sits on his arse till next season. Who knows who will be in charge next season down there.
It all seems like a really stupid exercise from all involved.
Myles, let that codger go where he will.
There is no point in raising your blood pressure or disturbing your sleep any more.
Seanie is past history now for Cavan GAA fans.
You captured the mood of the general public perfectly when you wrote an analysis of the reasons why the massacre at Loughinisland ought to be commemorated.
I think it was one of the most memorable posts I have read on this board.
Hard to credit it came from the same individual who is ranting away here.
You can and have done much better.
After all, Seanie is a free agent. He can't be forced to play for Cavan or any other county against his will. I doubt that he will be a positive addition to McGeeney's squad given the extra baggage he brings with him but that's another story.
BTW, is Seanie a son of the late Brian Johnston, the former county manager?
I knew poor Brian well when he was the Wicklow manager and he was one hell of a decent man.
I lost contact when Brian moved to Cavan and don't know what any of his family is doing now
Ah c'mon Lar.
Next thing you'll be telling us cows have 4 stomachs.
Which is equally relevant to this topic.
Lar - I thought I made myself clear here, I couldn't care less, from a cavan perspective, where Sean Johnston goes as long as its not near a cavan jersey. However, I think its a bad move for the GAA transfer like this to be allowed happen. I also thought most Kildare people were against the move but maybe not, maybe they would stoop to this level gladly to win. Unfortunately, in time they will find out that it wasn't worth it.
I didn't realise Stevie G and Mup were kildare fans, but if they are the average intellect of a Kildare fan on here is dropping very low indeed.
Finally Dougal - Sean Johnstons greatest moment in a Cavan jersey, 20 minutes as a sub where he won a game in the qualifiers against Wicklow. In fairness it was an incredible display of point scoring. I've never doubted his ability, go back on the Cavan page to the time that happened and you'll find me praising the skill he has. However, he was dropped for that game because he didn't bother his arse train with the team after they were put out of Ulster. He wasn't injured - I heard him give an interview to Northern Sound after the game where he said he wasn't playing and that the interviewer would have to ask Tom Carr why. You could also go back to the year before down in Aughrim where Wicklow beat Cavan easily, Johnston that day didn't bother his hole, probably because it was a wet horrible day. The point is there is no doubt he possesses great skill but that is not enough if your attitude is dung. Anyway, it seems that this is Kildares problem to worry about now.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=53.7890
Belfast Telegraph today:
Cavan chairman Tom O'Reilly said: "Obviously the Central Appeals Committee has made its decision and we have to accept that. But I must say I am really disappointed that Seanie did not dig in and stay with us. He could have won his place back in the panel.
"There are counties closer to Kildare that he could have joined if he was so keen to leave but obviously he had reasons for wanting to move there. For our part, we are now hopeful of getting a decent run in the qualifiers following that defeat by Donegal last Sunday.
"We have young players coming through in our side and we have to move on."
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/johnston-may-have-to-wait-to-make-kildare-bow-16163798.html#ixzz1vzWMl3fj
Atta boy myles. You've been found out so you resort to insults. Indeed it is for us to worry about it so mind your own business.
You captured the mood of the general public perfectly when you wrote an analysis of the reasons why the massacre at Loughinisland ought to be commemorated.
I think it was one of the most memorable posts I have read on this board.
Hard to credit it came from the same individual who is ranting away here.
You can and have done much better.
Yeah Lar I'd have to agree that Myles has shown himself capable of intelligent and coherent posts. For whatever reason on the subject of Seanie he seems to assume a cross between a rabid dog and that old bore that you try to avoid in every local pub, the fella with the one yarn that has to be recycled again, and again and again to everybody unfortunate enough to stray into his path.
Christ lads does every debate need to descend into shots at the poster? Can ye not just discuss the issue and if you believe it's been discussed to death then stay off the thread. This Myles v AC39 is tiresome childish bullshit to have to trawl through. Give it a rest please.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 26, 2012, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on May 26, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 26, 2012, 12:41:12 PM
I was just thinking of all this from a Kildare perspective and I have to say McGeeney is taking an incredible, maybe even a bizarre, risk. He has to deliver something this year or he is gone. Its Leinster or bust I'm thinking. He has pissed of a lot of Kildare followers head hunting players, if he manages to get championship matches moved or johnston onto a hurling team then he will have pissed off even more. The knives will be out for him if it all goes badly. Where does that leave Johnston next year?
Then if Johnston doesn't get his run out for St Kevins, he sits on his arse till next season. Who knows who will be in charge next season down there.
It all seems like a really stupid exercise from all involved.
Myles, let that codger go where he will.
There is no point in raising your blood pressure or disturbing your sleep any more.
Seanie is past history now for Cavan GAA fans.
You captured the mood of the general public perfectly when you wrote an analysis of the reasons why the massacre at Loughinisland ought to be commemorated.
I think it was one of the most memorable posts I have read on this board.
Hard to credit it came from the same individual who is ranting away here.
You can and have done much better.
After all, Seanie is a free agent. He can't be forced to play for Cavan or any other county against his will. I doubt that he will be a positive addition to McGeeney's squad given the extra baggage he brings with him but that's another story.
BTW, is Seanie a son of the late Brian Johnston, the former county manager?
I knew poor Brian well when he was the Wicklow manager and he was one hell of a decent man.
I lost contact when Brian moved to Cavan and don't know what any of his family is doing now
Ah c'mon Lar.
Next thing you'll be telling us cows have 4 stomachs.
Which is equally relevant to this topic.
Ah, yes indeed but you could have gone further and admitted that she has only one anal orifice to handle the combined output from those four stomachs.
One has to admit that she does that rather well.
(All of which is as relevant to this topic as the point you are making.)
Anyone care to tell me if Seanie is Brian Johnston's son?
Quote from: Westside on May 26, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
This Myles v AC39 is tiresome childish bullshit to have to trawl through. Give it a rest please.
Myles won last february and the other fellow threw the toys out of the pram and said he was deleting his account, but he cant help himself always has to get his oar in.
Quote from: tommysmith on May 26, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
Quote from: Westside on May 26, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
This Myles v AC39 is tiresome childish bullshit to have to trawl through. Give it a rest please.
Myles won last february and the other fellow threw the toys out of the pram and said he was deleting his account, but he cant help himself always has to get his oar in.
He didn't ignore me for too long, was it even a week?
Quote from: Westside on May 26, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
Christ lads does every debate need to descend into shots at the poster? Can ye not just discuss the issue and if you believe it's been discussed to death then stay off the thread. This Myles v AC39 is tiresome childish bullshit to have to trawl through. Give it a rest please.
Did u not just answer your own problem there pal?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 26, 2012, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: Stevie g 8 on May 26, 2012, 02:15:48 AM
Quote from: Westside on May 26, 2012, 01:06:24 AM
Best player in the last 10 years!? Consistently!? You sir are deluded. Johnston is behind Larry Reilly, Jason Reilly and Dermot McCabe in terms of impact and talent over the past decade.
Think your the one that's deluded.behind larry and Jason Reilly,your having a laugh,not even in the same league
Judging by your user name and comments I'm guessing you watch more premier league than cavan gaa. Johnson wouldn't even figure in my top 15 cavan players in my life time. I'd take McCabe with 1 leg ahead of him and Larry was just way better. Johnston played as many crap games as he did great ones and bulked up a lot of his score tallies with frees.
Take your head out of your ass and don't be such a d**k the whole time myles.so if we watch other sports we cannot have an opinion on GAA.you obviously have a massive problem with seanie Johnston,maybe it's jealousy I dunno but get over yourself.i saw him play with Cavan and Cavan Gaels plenty of times and always thought he was a fine player who sometimes won games single handedly and was by far better than them other players you mentioned.he was surplus to requirements for the Cavan team and was approached to play for Kildare and decided to give it a go as he still has plenty to offer at the top level
Ok Steven gerrard no 8. Care to tell me a few cavan games he won single handedly that you were at.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 27, 2012, 09:22:04 AM
Ok Steven gerrard no 8. Care to tell me a few cavan games he won single handedly that you were at.
I haven't seen too many Cavan games in recent years but I was in Newbridge when he almost destroyed Kildare single-handedly in a qualifier in 2008. Took an injury-time James Kavanagh goal to win it.
Wasn't he also instrumental in 2010, coming off the bench when Cavan were seven points and two men down against Wicklow. Think he kicked six points during a cameo. That's heroic stuff.
Not saying he's the greatest forward in the country but to say he's a bad or below average player simply isn't true.
I'm sure he's had plenty of bad days too but it can't often have been easy being corner-forward on a struggling team - let's face it, Cavan have been muck for a decade and are only coming out of the doldrums now.
Who said he was bad or below average?
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Best player in the last 10 years!? Consistently!? You sir are deluded. Johnston is behind Larry Reilly, Jason Reilly and Dermot McCabe in terms of impact and talent over the past decade.
Think your the one that's deluded.behind larry and Jason Reilly,your having a laugh,not even in the same league
Judging by your user name and comments I'm guessing you watch more premier league than cavan gaa. Johnson wouldn't even figure in my top 15 cavan players in my life time. I'd take McCabe with 1 leg ahead of him and Larry was just way better. Johnston played as many crap games as he did great ones and bulked up a lot of his score tallies with frees.
Take your head out of your ass and don't be such a d**k the whole time myles.so if we watch other sports we cannot have an opinion on GAA.you obviously have a massive problem with seanie Johnston,maybe it's jealousy I dunno but get over yourself.i saw him play with Cavan and Cavan Gaels plenty of times and always thought he was a fine player who sometimes won games single handedly and was by far better than them other players you mentioned.he was surplus to requirements for the Cavan team and was approached to play for Kildare and decided to give it a go as he still has plenty to offer at the top level
Interesting ;)
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 27, 2012, 05:08:01 PM
Who said he was bad or below average?
Plenty of people, not saying you, but I've heard the phrase 'all this fuss over an average player' a lot the past week. He may not be a world-beater but he's well above average.
Sure we've plenty of above average players as it is. No need for another one. Fionn Dowling gave two Kildare defenders a hard time of it for Suncroft against Celbridge last weekend and young Mellett from Naas was excellent against the Sash. They're some of the lads we should be focussing on.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
Sure we've plenty of above average players as it is. No need for another one. Fionn Dowling gave two Kildare defenders a hard time of it for Suncroft against Celbridge last weekend and young Mellett from Naas was excellent against the Sash. They're some of the lads we should be focussing on.
What will happen these lads now? Will they be cast by the wayside? That would be a pity aright.
Still odds against that Johnston will play for Kildare at all this summer IMO. No more club championship until after Kildare are out and the hurling thing is a complete non-runner and won't take place until the start of July anyway.
There was a vote on The Sunday Game tonight about the Johnston saga being against the ethos of the GAA. 52% agreed and 48% disagreed. But the three panelists were all against it. I thought the general public opinion would have been against but it seems its a lot more divided than i thought
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
Sure we've plenty of above average players as it is. No need for another one. Fionn Dowling gave two Kildare defenders a hard time of it for Suncroft against Celbridge last weekend and young Mellett from Naas was excellent against the Sash. They're some of the lads we should be focussing on.
Quit that talking sense, Fionn is a serious talent and after his injuries is coming back into form, hopefully he'll get a chance against the Biffos.
Bottom brick, that's a blast from the past. Same man or coincidental use of same user name?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on May 27, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
Bottom brick, that's a blast from the past. Same man or coincidental use of same user name?
Coincidence I'm afraid Myles, hope I can live up to my namesake's reputation!
Quote from: bottom brick on May 27, 2012, 11:00:19 PM
There was a vote on The Sunday Game tonight about the Johnston saga being against the ethos of the GAA. 52% agreed and 48% disagreed. But the three panelists were all against it. I thought the general public opinion would have been against but it seems its a lot more divided than i thought
You're using Twitter as a barometer for general public opinion?
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Quote from: bottom brick on May 27, 2012, 11:00:19 PM
There was a vote on The Sunday Game tonight about the Johnston saga being against the ethos of the GAA. 52% agreed and 48% disagreed. But the three panelists were all against it. I thought the general public opinion would have been against but it seems its a lot more divided than i thought
You're using Twitter as a barometer for general public opinion?
No, RTE are. Im against the move myself but havent seen any other polls. Maybe samwin08 could put a poll up on this thread? Although Im fairly sure most people on here are also against it
If we had a show of hands on gaaboard to see how many posters have twitter accounts it would probably be in single figures.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 27, 2012, 11:50:30 PM
If we had a show of hands on gaaboard to see how many posters have twitter accounts it would probably be in single figures.
Fair enough, you seem to have it all sussed out ::)
I do.
Actual accounts?
I use twitter regularly to check scores etc. but I don't have an account.
I'd imagine there's a fair number of people on here with Twitter accounts - sure some of the players have several thousand followers.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
Sure we've plenty of above average players as it is. No need for another one. Fionn Dowling gave two Kildare defenders a hard time of it for Suncroft against Celbridge last weekend and young Mellett from Naas was excellent against the Sash. They're some of the lads we should be focussing on.
I agree with you, I wish the transfer never happened and I don't think it's right.
But I'm also making three points:
1) Johnston is a better player than some people make out
2) Croke Park have made a special case of this and are not being even-handed.
3) People pretending this transfer is a new departure or something are a joke. Look at two men slating Johnston on Sunday Game: Tony Davis, who owes his two All-Ireland medals to two Kildare men, and Colm Parkinson, who of course played for Parnells for the love of it. You couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 28, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
I agree with you, I wish the transfer never happened and I don't think it's right.
But I'm also making three points:
1) Johnston is a better player than some people make out
2) Croke Park have made a special case of this and are not being even-handed.
3) People pretending this transfer is a new departure or something are a joke. Look at two men slating Johnston on Sunday Game: Tony Davis, who owes his two All-Ireland medals to two Kildare men, and Colm Parkinson, who of course played for Parnells for the love of it. You couldn't make it up.
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
But a key point is if rules were not followed strictly in the past, its no excuse not to be following them properly now (but I think there's only be one intercounty transfer before Seanie that was so flagrantly against the ethos of the association - the Walsh Wicklow/Carlow saga).
If Seanie had played it by the book from the get-go, i.e. move clubs and move residence, the transfer would have gone through without a hiccup.
The stupidity of trying to create a new rule by trying to stay with Cavan Gaels while transferring and then the arrogance of thinking just giving an address without actually moving in, really got the GAA's goat up.
If Kieran McGeeney was manager of Armagh, would he have tried the same stunt of getting Seanie to transfer to them? Or would pride in the jersey see him take a different stance?
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
Sure we've plenty of above average players as it is. No need for another one. Fionn Dowling gave two Kildare defenders a hard time of it for Suncroft against Celbridge last weekend and young Mellett from Naas was excellent against the Sash. They're some of the lads we should be focussing on.
I agree with you, I wish the transfer never happened and I don't think it's right.
But I'm also making three points:
1) Johnston is a better player than some people make out
But he is not as good as some other people are making out!
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Quote from: Hardy on May 28, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
It's amazing that we're still discussing Larry Tompkins in Kildare after twenty five years!!
Joe Brolly has criticised Cavan forward Seanie Johnston's club transfer that will allow him to line out for the Kildare footballers.
Brolly, speaking on The Sunday Game Live yesterday, said he feels it is a "damaging development" that is against the spirit of Gaelic Games.
He said: "You've got on one hand Seanie's self-interests and the lack of loyalty to his club. But that is not really the big story, there has been plenty of boys like that over the years."
Brolly continued: "We're sitting in the debris of the Celtic Tiger where people were materialistic, where success was everything and money was everything and personal advancement was everything.
"Then you have the GAA which is supposed to be community and parish and all of that. The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this.
"The transfer has obviously been set up. He has been given an address of convenience. He has walked away from his club."
Brolly added: "I just think all of those things is not anything to do with what the GAA is about. It is a damaging development.
"It gives you an insight into the way Kildare are currently arranging their games. It is not good, it is a very bad sign."
Colm O'Rourke also believes that the move could lead to further problems down the line and that the transfer system should be reviewed.
The former All-Ireland winner stated: "I would say there are a lot of ordinary Kildare GAA people who would not be happy with this development.
"The whole thing smells a bit.
"People have moved clubs and counties for generations and I have made the argument in the past that tying a player to a club when he is not happy with that club should not happen.
"There should be some possibility of release. This seems to be a little bit mercenary in nature. People are a bit worried about it.
"I'm surprised Kildare have allowed themselves to get involved in all of this.
"I would have thought Seanie Johnston would have been better off, with the manager as it turned out gone, staying and fighting for his place on the Cavan team."
Are the sections in bold for people who cant read the article to make up their own mind or are they part of the original article?
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
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Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
But the tide is turning DH, people are just pissed off with how it's been handled by the GAA and articles and comments like the above and others on Kildare's finances are creating rightly or wrongly a siege mentality in the county.
They are two simple truths yet everyone has an opinion regardless
1. It has not been disclosed by the Cavan Management or SJ why he was omitted from the Cavan squad.
2. It has not been disclosed by the Kildare Management or SJ how he ended requesting a transfer to Kildare.
Instead all we have is conjecture which as I far as I know is not enough to find anybody guilty of anything but is enough to send some posters into a rabid response.
From Jerome Quinn on Twitter
Agreed with Joe Brolly on Seanie J but I've always wondered how Joe lives in Bredagh in Down but played for St Brigid's in Antrim
Where is RichieJ , i miss his contributions.
Quote from: ludermor on May 28, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
Where is RichieJ , i miss his contributions.
Straffan. ;D
I hope someone signs Leighton Glynn soon. One of my favourite players but his current county is a bit bwallllllls. Want to see him on the biggest stage.
Sign him up.
I'm all for the transfer of Seanie Johnston. He wasn't getting picked for his own county but had aspirations to play county football. What was he suppose to do? Sit at home and regret it in later life. Hope he produces the goods on the big day now.
Kildare have come up short in the last few years, maybe he is the little bit extra they need.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 28, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 27, 2012, 10:56:11 PM
Sure we've plenty of above average players as it is. No need for another one. Fionn Dowling gave two Kildare defenders a hard time of it for Suncroft against Celbridge last weekend and young Mellett from Naas was excellent against the Sash. They're some of the lads we should be focussing on.
I agree with you, I wish the transfer never happened and I don't think it's right.
But I'm also making three points:
1) Johnston is a better player than some people make out
2) Croke Park have made a special case of this and are not being even-handed.
3) People pretending this transfer is a new departure or something are a joke. Look at two men slating Johnston on Sunday Game: Tony Davis, who owes his two All-Ireland medals to two Kildare men, and Colm Parkinson, who of course played for Parnells for the love of it. You couldn't make it up.
I wonder did that gobshite Parkinson ever express his opinion to Billy Sheehan the great Laois man who "lives in Laois"
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Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
In my book there is very little difference between Tompkins' transfer to Cork and Johntson's to Kildare. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be nice to see both wrongs treated the same. Instead Kildare is painted as having an 'anti-GAA' ethos while Larry and Cork are great lads.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on May 28, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
In my book there is very little difference between Tompkins' transfer to Cork and Johntson's to Kildare. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be nice to see both wrongs treated the same. Instead Kildare is painted as having an 'anti-GAA' ethos while Larry and Cork are great lads.
Exactly I didnt hear Tony Davis complaining about his mate Tompkins the Seanie Johnston thing is being used by those who hate McGeeney and Kildare to have a dig at us they dont give a f**k about the "GAA ethos" that they bang on about I hope Seanie lifts the Leinster and All -Ireland this year and shoves it down each and everyone of their throats
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Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
But the tide is turning DH, people are just pissed off with how it's been handled by the GAA and articles and comments like the above and others on Kildare's finances are creating rightly or wrongly a siege mentality in the county.
They are two simple truths yet everyone has an opinion regardless
1. It has not been disclosed by the Cavan Management or SJ why he was omitted from the Cavan squad.
2. It has not been disclosed by the Kildare Management or SJ how he ended requesting a transfer to Kildare.
Instead all we have is conjecture which as I far as I know is not enough to find anybody guilty of anything but is enough to send some posters into a rabid response.
It definitely seems to be the case but in truth this siege mentality thing is a load of old nonsense. Whatever happened to just going out and playing football? For all that people may think Mick O'Dwyer's philosophy on football is outdated nowadays, the man was lightyears ahead of his time when it came to dealing with the media.
The Kildare management will be providing enough rope to hang themselves if they keep going down this road. The clubs are cranky enough as it is because of the lack of access to county panelists and the way in which the club championships are put on hold for the county team. I haven't come across many voices in favour of this transfer in my own club and I'd say it's a similar story in every other club in the county bar Kevin's.
Go home ref - if your opinion is the opinion of the majority of kildare supporters then I think Johnston has picked the perfect county to suit his own sense of self importance.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 28, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on May 28, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
In my book there is very little difference between Tompkins' transfer to Cork and Johntson's to Kildare. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be nice to see both wrongs treated the same. Instead Kildare is painted as having an 'anti-GAA' ethos while Larry and Cork are great lads.
So Tomkins was living AND working in Cork but travelling home to Kildare for games and matches. The County Board wouldn't pay for his travel (I'm guessing this would have been pretty expensive 25 years ago with flying) so he decided to play football for the county where he lives AND works.
Seanie Johnston is kicked off the panel in his own County with the most likely reason being he is a destructive influence on the panel and then throws his lot in with a county to which he neither lives NOR works in. . . maybe it's just me but are these not 2 complete polar opposites of reasons to transfer to another County?!
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Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 28, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on May 28, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
In my book there is very little difference between Tompkins' transfer to Cork and Johntson's to Kildare. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be nice to see both wrongs treated the same. Instead Kildare is painted as having an 'anti-GAA' ethos while Larry and Cork are great lads.
So Tomkins was living AND working in Cork but travelling home to Kildare for games and matches. The County Board wouldn't pay for his travel (I'm guessing this would have been pretty expensive 25 years ago with flying) so he decided to play football for the county where he lives AND works.
Seanie Johnston is kicked off the panel in his own County with the most likely reason being he is a destructive influence on the panel and then throws his lot in with a county to which he neither lives NOR works in. . . maybe it's just me but are these not 2 complete polar opposites of reasons to transfer to another County?!
KCB wouldn't fully reimburse Tompkins for flights home from America. He was not living or working in Cork at the time.
It's only a bit of whatabouttery anyway. It happened over a quarter of a century ago and it has no relevance to the Johnston case and neither do the likes of O'Dwyer, Lacey, Murphy, Divilly etc.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 01:04:40 PM
From Jerome Quinn on Twitter
Agreed with Joe Brolly on Seanie J but I've always wondered how Joe lives in Bredagh in Down but played for St Brigid's in Antrim
What? This doesn't make any sense, Jerome.
If I want to play for a club in Down I don't have to move to Down.
Normally you'd need an address in the county and parish alright, but a caravan would do.
Brolly lives on the Ravenhill road and in Down ,yet chose to play for St Brigids in Antrim. Don't know how the parish rule works in the Antrim end of Belfast, but would you not need an address in the catchment area of the club?
Quote from: screenexile on May 28, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 28, 2012, 01:50:10 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 11:29:10 AM
Quote from: Hardy on May 28, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 28, 2012, 10:54:09 AM
Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
In my book there is very little difference between Tompkins' transfer to Cork and Johntson's to Kildare. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be nice to see both wrongs treated the same. Instead Kildare is painted as having an 'anti-GAA' ethos while Larry and Cork are great lads.
So Tomkins was living AND working in Cork but travelling home to Kildare for games and matches. The County Board wouldn't pay for his travel (I'm guessing this would have been pretty expensive 25 years ago with flying) so he decided to play football for the county where he lives AND works.
Seanie Johnston is kicked off the panel in his own County with the most likely reason being he is a destructive influence on the panel and then throws his lot in with a county to which he neither lives NOR works in. . . maybe it's just me but are these not 2 complete polar opposites of reasons to transfer to another County?!
No, you've got that completely wrong.
Tompkins moved to Cork AFTER he fell out with Kildare. When DH talks about a falling out over flights, he's referring to flights home from the US, where Tompkins was playing in the mid-80s. He got the hump after that and was persuaded to move to Cork when he came home from America.
So you had a talented forward that fell out with his own county, courted/was courted by a county with more of a chance of success - and one he had no family connection to, or reason to play for - AFTER that falling out, and then transferred to them.
Pretty much the same as SJ, in other words. The only difference is that Johnston still works in Cavan, whereas Tompkins took a job in Cork after he decided to move there. But he was still brought to Cork to play football because they (primarily Castlehaven) saw an opportunity when things went sour between Larry and his native county.
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"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
But the tide is turning DH, people are just pissed off with how it's been handled by the GAA and articles and comments like the above and others on Kildare's finances are creating rightly or wrongly a siege mentality in the county.
They are two simple truths yet everyone has an opinion regardless
1. It has not been disclosed by the Cavan Management or SJ why he was omitted from the Cavan squad.
2. It has not been disclosed by the Kildare Management or SJ how he ended requesting a transfer to Kildare.
Instead all we have is conjecture which as I far as I know is not enough to find anybody guilty of anything but is enough to send some posters into a rabid response.
if you can remember on kfm seanie johnson stated his reasons for coming to kildare. you just listen to paper talk. and fact is he lives in straffan and has been seen there many a times
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Lads who move counties for genuine reasons (say work or family reasons) and decide to throw their lot in with their new county of residence is a lot different to Johnston (though I admit I can't remember what the circumstances were around Fahy and Tompkins).
Just relying on memory here, but I think Tompkins was in the States when he got an offer to come home to a job in Cork and a place on the team. Now I imagine he wouldn't have been offered the job if he wasn't a footballer, but it's hard to see anything wrong with an emigrant seizing the chance to come home. Whatever about the spirit, he complied completely with the letter of the rule. He actually lived in Cork. And, in case there are any lingering doubts about an address of convenience, he still does.
Fahy was in the army and stationed in Cork, as I remember. No issue there.
I'm off now to scrub my hands after typing a defence of Corkies.
Tompkins was flying home regularly to play for Kildare, he fell out with the County Board in particular Seamus Aldridge over reimbursements of flights, that is when Castlehaven and Cork GAA stepped in. Tompkins threw his lot in with Cork because of a falling out, while not the same as SJ, it is still another county approaching a player to play for them. It would like Conor Mortimor been approached by Dublin GAA because Parnells pay him to play football now.
In my book there is very little difference between Tompkins' transfer to Cork and Johntson's to Kildare. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it would be nice to see both wrongs treated the same. Instead Kildare is painted as having an 'anti-GAA' ethos while Larry and Cork are great lads.
So Tomkins was living AND working in Cork but travelling home to Kildare for games and matches. The County Board wouldn't pay for his travel (I'm guessing this would have been pretty expensive 25 years ago with flying) so he decided to play football for the county where he lives AND works.
Seanie Johnston is kicked off the panel in his own County with the most likely reason being he is a destructive influence on the panel and then throws his lot in with a county to which he neither lives NOR works in. . . maybe it's just me but are these not 2 complete polar opposites of reasons to transfer to another County?!
No, you've got that completely wrong.
Tompkins moved to Cork AFTER he fell out with Kildare. When DH talks about a falling out over flights, he's referring to flights home from the US, where Tompkins was playing in the mid-80s. He got the hump after that and was persuaded to move to Cork when he came home from America.
So you had a talented forward that fell out with his own county, courted/was courted by a county with more of a chance of success - and one he had no family connection to, or reason to play for - AFTER that falling out, and then transferred to them.
Pretty much the same as SJ, in other words. The only difference is that Johnston still works in Cavan, whereas Tompkins took a job in Cork after he decided to move there. But he was still brought to Cork to play football because they (primarily Castlehaven) saw an opportunity when things went sour between Larry and his native county.
Fair enough I seem to have got it wrong I'll hold my hands up. . . in fairness to it though 2 wrongs don't make a right!
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Fair enough I seem to have got it wrong I'll hold my hands up. . . in fairness to it though 2 wrongs don't make a right!
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Yeah that's true
Quote from: kildare2012 on May 28, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
But the tide is turning DH, people are just pissed off with how it's been handled by the GAA and articles and comments like the above and others on Kildare's finances are creating rightly or wrongly a siege mentality in the county.
They are two simple truths yet everyone has an opinion regardless
1. It has not been disclosed by the Cavan Management or SJ why he was omitted from the Cavan squad.
2. It has not been disclosed by the Kildare Management or SJ how he ended requesting a transfer to Kildare.
Instead all we have is conjecture which as I far as I know is not enough to find anybody guilty of anything but is enough to send some posters into a rabid response.
if you can remember on kfm seanie johnson stated his reasons for coming to kildare. you just listen to paper talk. and fact is he lives in straffan and has been seen there many a times
When Killian Whelan asked him "Why Kildare?" in the interview you refer to, Johnston answered that he chose Kildare because he thought they had good setup and that he knew Davis and Carew from his college days. Would the obvious answer not have been: because I live in Straffan?
He may well be living in Straffan but why didn't he transfer to their club then? McGeeney doesn't have any problem picking players from junior or intermediate clubs if he thinks they're up to it e.g. Rob Kelly (Straffan), Peter Kelly (Two Mile House), Emmet Bolton (Eadestown). Instead of joining the local club, Johnston's transfer is to a club that is a twenty minute drive away from Straffan and also happens to be the club of the one Kildare native selector. I may be wrong, but I doubt there are too many lads living in Straffan that ply their trade with Kevin's.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: kildare2012 on May 28, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
But the tide is turning DH, people are just pissed off with how it's been handled by the GAA and articles and comments like the above and others on Kildare's finances are creating rightly or wrongly a siege mentality in the county.
They are two simple truths yet everyone has an opinion regardless
1. It has not been disclosed by the Cavan Management or SJ why he was omitted from the Cavan squad.
2. It has not been disclosed by the Kildare Management or SJ how he ended requesting a transfer to Kildare.
Instead all we have is conjecture which as I far as I know is not enough to find anybody guilty of anything but is enough to send some posters into a rabid response.
if you can remember on kfm seanie johnson stated his reasons for coming to kildare. you just listen to paper talk. and fact is he lives in straffan and has been seen there many a times
When Killian Whelan asked him "Why Kildare?" in the interview you refer to, Johnston answered that he chose Kildare because he thought they had good setup and that he knew Davis and Carew from his college days. Would the obvious answer not have been: because I live in Straffan?
He may well be living in Straffan but why didn't he transfer to their club then? McGeeney doesn't have any problem picking players from junior or intermediate clubs if he thinks they're up to it e.g. Rob Kelly (Straffan), Peter Kelly (Two Mile House), Emmet Bolton (Eadestown). Instead of joining the local club, Johnston's transfer is to a club that is a twenty minute drive away from Straffan and also happens to be the club of the one Kildare native selector. I may be wrong, but I doubt there are too many lads living in Straffan that ply their trade with Kevin's.
yeah but he said he knew carew so asked him could he join kevins which is 5mins away
Quote from: kildare2012 on May 28, 2012, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: kildare2012 on May 28, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 01:01:50 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 28, 2012, 12:24:11 PM
"The most disappointing thing for me is the way the Kildare Gaels have embraced this."
That's a rather sweeping generalisation from Brolly. Plenty of people in Kildare are against this move.
But the tide is turning DH, people are just pissed off with how it's been handled by the GAA and articles and comments like the above and others on Kildare's finances are creating rightly or wrongly a siege mentality in the county.
They are two simple truths yet everyone has an opinion regardless
1. It has not been disclosed by the Cavan Management or SJ why he was omitted from the Cavan squad.
2. It has not been disclosed by the Kildare Management or SJ how he ended requesting a transfer to Kildare.
Instead all we have is conjecture which as I far as I know is not enough to find anybody guilty of anything but is enough to send some posters into a rabid response.
if you can remember on kfm seanie johnson stated his reasons for coming to kildare. you just listen to paper talk. and fact is he lives in straffan and has been seen there many a times
When Killian Whelan asked him "Why Kildare?" in the interview you refer to, Johnston answered that he chose Kildare because he thought they had good setup and that he knew Davis and Carew from his college days. Would the obvious answer not have been: because I live in Straffan?
He may well be living in Straffan but why didn't he transfer to their club then? McGeeney doesn't have any problem picking players from junior or intermediate clubs if he thinks they're up to it e.g. Rob Kelly (Straffan), Peter Kelly (Two Mile House), Emmet Bolton (Eadestown). Instead of joining the local club, Johnston's transfer is to a club that is a twenty minute drive away from Straffan and also happens to be the club of the one Kildare native selector. I may be wrong, but I doubt there are too many lads living in Straffan that ply their trade with Kevin's.
yeah but he said he knew carew so asked him could he join kevins which is 5mins away
But isn't that the whole problem? He isn't transferring to a club because he's found himself in Kildare through work or whatever, he's transferring there because he knows Carew.
Also 5 mins? What route are you driving? http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Straffan,+Co.+Kildare&daddr=Staplestown,+Kildare&hl=en&sll=53.312486,-6.608105&sspn=0.027742,0.084543&geocode=FeZ7LQMdFyub_ylnqlxgDXpnSDGwijGXqccACg%3BFVrCLQMdNb-Y_ymnzW4L_3xnSDEQhDGXqccACg&gl=ie&mra=ls&t=m&z=13 (http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Straffan,+Co.+Kildare&daddr=Staplestown,+Kildare&hl=en&sll=53.312486,-6.608105&sspn=0.027742,0.084543&geocode=FeZ7LQMdFyub_ylnqlxgDXpnSDGwijGXqccACg%3BFVrCLQMdNb-Y_ymnzW4L_3xnSDEQhDGXqccACg&gl=ie&mra=ls&t=m&z=13)
I love reading the Geezerites on the Kildare Forums, they're like devoted disciplines who refuse to countenance the simple suggestion that McGeeney got this one wrong and badly at that.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
I love reading the Geezerites on the Kildare Forums, they're like devoted disciplines who refuse to countenance the simple suggestion that McGeeney got this one wrong and badly at that.
Ah but remember the Crofton years Dinny....
One of them was having a go at us on there last week!
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
I love reading the Geezerites on the Kildare Forums, they're like devoted disciplines who refuse to countenance the simple suggestion that McGeeney got this one wrong and badly at that.
Ah but remember the Crofton years Dinny....
One of them was having a go at us on there last week!
I saw the thread about Heffo alright but have given up on the transfers one, it was just going around in circles. The funny thing is I only expect Kildare to reap the rewards of McGeenys work after he as left, he has a particular young team and our underage structures are on par with Dublin if not talent wise. I fully expect another Kildare forum favourite Glen to step into the breach and push us on again, he'll probably bring Michael Quinn down with him.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
I love reading the Geezerites on the Kildare Forums, they're like devoted disciplines who refuse to countenance the simple suggestion that McGeeney got this one wrong and badly at that.
Ah but remember the Crofton years Dinny....
One of them was having a go at us on there last week!
I saw the thread about Heffo alright but have given up on the transfers one, it was just going around in circles. The funny thing is I only expect Kildare to reap the rewards of McGeenys work after he as left, he has a particular young team and our underage structures are on par with Dublin if not talent wise. I fully expect another Kildare forum favourite Glen to step into the breach and push us on again, he'll probably bring Michael Quinn down with him.
Quote from: "Fair play to ohtoo and mup in standing up for Kildare even though he dosen't agree with the transfer. There are a couple of other Kildare lads on there who should grow a pair and do the same."
http://kildaregaa.boardonly.com/t899p810-transfers-in-the-gaa (http://kildaregaa.boardonly.com/t899p810-transfers-in-the-gaa)
:o
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
I love reading the Geezerites on the Kildare Forums, they're like devoted disciplines who refuse to countenance the simple suggestion that McGeeney got this one wrong and badly at that.
Ah but remember the Crofton years Dinny....
One of them was having a go at us on there last week!
I saw the thread about Heffo alright but have given up on the transfers one, it was just going around in circles. The funny thing is I only expect Kildare to reap the rewards of McGeenys work after he as left, he has a particular young team and our underage structures are on par with Dublin if not talent wise. I fully expect another Kildare forum favourite Glen to step into the breach and push us on again, he'll probably bring Michael Quinn down with him.
Quote from: "Fair play to ohtoo and mup in standing up for Kildare even though he dosen't agree with the transfer. There are a couple of other Kildare lads on there who should grow a pair and do the same."
http://kildaregaa.boardonly.com/t899p810-transfers-in-the-gaa (http://kildaregaa.boardonly.com/t899p810-transfers-in-the-gaa)
:o
Thats telling ye two now!
Yes Kildare GAA is great and the rest of you are all a shower of wankers and are in no way entitled to your opinion, no matter how informed and objective.
Looks like civil war in Kildare.
Our forces are at a heightened state of readiness at the border crossings in Maynooth and Kilcock lest it spillover.
All fleeing refugees will be met with cold steel and a hail of half-empty mineral bottles.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2012, 05:27:28 PM
Looks like civil war in Kildare.
Our forces are at a heightened state of readiness at the border crossings in Maynooth and Kilcock lest it spillover.
All fleeing refugees will be met with cold steel and a hail of half-empty mineral bottles.
The artillery up in Kells from 1997 are being redeployed south to Walterstown, Kilcloon, Blackhall, Longwood and Enfield so?
;)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
I love reading the Geezerites on the Kildare Forums, they're like devoted disciplines who refuse to countenance the simple suggestion that McGeeney got this one wrong and badly at that.
Ah but remember the Crofton years Dinny....
One of them was having a go at us on there last week!
Good God man all talk of those years should be strictly forbidden
Dinny, this is not a dig and I don't know the full story so forgive me if I'm wrong. Did your own club not 'bring in' a couple of outsiders from a neighbouring club in recent years?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2012, 05:27:28 PM
Looks like civil war in Kildare.
Our forces are at a heightened state of readiness at the border crossings in Maynooth and Kilcock lest it spillover.
All fleeing refugees will be met with cold steel and a hail of half-empty mineral bottles.
The artillery up in Kells from 1997 are being redeployed south to Walterstown, Kilcloon, Blackhall, Longwood and Enfield so?
;)
There's a rumour about that Seanie initially tried to transfer to us but was politely rebuffed from a distance of about 30 yards after approaching on foot waving a white flag.
Quote from: mup on May 28, 2012, 06:08:33 PM
Dinny, this is not a dig and I don't know the full story so forgive me if I'm wrong. Did your own club not 'bring in' a couple of outsiders from a neighbouring club in recent years?
If you mean did we facilitate the transfer of players from another club to our own in recent seasons well then the answer is yes, the same thing that happens at club level every day of the week across the country. They had there own reasons for wanting to join Towers and they certainly weren't contrived, there is no parish rule in Kildare and the transfers were sanction under Kildare GAA by-laws governing such transfers. As a rule of thumb in Kildare a player can seek a transfer if wants to play at a higher level and the transfer is generally granted. But I guess you know all that are just trying to play the hypocrite card but surely you can see the difference between those type of local transfers compared to this national inter-county transfer.
It was a genuine question. Im not living in the county anymore and I know there was one high profile transfer. I dont know the bye laws in Kildare.
But I know of inter club transfers where Im living where the players have been tapped up. It drives me mad that people consider the Sj saga to be the end of the Gaa as we know it yet its happening at local levels (and inter county) for year.
Why is the sh1t only hitting the fan now?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: mup on May 28, 2012, 06:08:33 PM
Dinny, this is not a dig and I don't know the full story so forgive me if I'm wrong. Did your own club not 'bring in' a couple of outsiders from a neighbouring club in recent years?
If you mean did we facilitate the transfer of players from another club to our own in recent seasons well then the answer is yes, the same thing that happens at club level every day of the week across the country. They had there own reasons for wanting to join Towers and they certainly weren't contrived, there is no parish rule in Kildare and the transfers were sanction under Kildare GAA by-laws governing such transfers. As a rule of thumb in Kildare a player can seek a transfer if wants to play at a higher level and the transfer is generally granted. But I guess you know all that are just trying to play the hypocrite card but surely you can see the difference between those type of local transfers compared to this national inter-county transfer.
Very hard to know where the line is drawn though Dinny. All the things you and others are saying about Johnston - that he has no connection to the place and that his arrival stunts homegrown players' development - could also be said of the type of club transfers you're talking about.
I've said it a hundred times - I believe this transfer is wrong - but don't cod yourself that there's this never-before-broken-ethos that Johnston is the first to break.
Boys switch clubs all over the country because they've had a falling out or they want a chance to win things or both. It is less common on the inter-county scene but it has still happened all over the shop. Johnston's problem is he's been honest about that while the likes of Billy Sheehan and Thomas Walsh weren't.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on May 28, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 06:48:25 PM
Quote from: mup on May 28, 2012, 06:08:33 PM
Dinny, this is not a dig and I don't know the full story so forgive me if I'm wrong. Did your own club not 'bring in' a couple of outsiders from a neighbouring club in recent years?
If you mean did we facilitate the transfer of players from another club to our own in recent seasons well then the answer is yes, the same thing that happens at club level every day of the week across the country. They had there own reasons for wanting to join Towers and they certainly weren't contrived, there is no parish rule in Kildare and the transfers were sanction under Kildare GAA by-laws governing such transfers. As a rule of thumb in Kildare a player can seek a transfer if wants to play at a higher level and the transfer is generally granted. But I guess you know all that are just trying to play the hypocrite card but surely you can see the difference between those type of local transfers compared to this national inter-county transfer.
Very hard to know where the line is drawn though Dinny. All the things you and others are saying about Johnston - that he has no connection to the place and that his arrival stunts homegrown players' development - could also be said of the type of club transfers you're talking about.
I've said it a hundred times - I believe this transfer is wrong - but don't cod yourself that there's this never-before-broken-ethos that Johnston is the first to break.
Boys switch clubs all over the country because they've had a falling out or they want a chance to win things or both. It is less common on the inter-county scene but it has still happened all over the shop. Johnston's problem is he's been honest about that while the likes of Billy Sheehan and Thomas Walsh weren't.
Good one!
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2012, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on May 28, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2012, 05:27:28 PM
Looks like civil war in Kildare.
Our forces are at a heightened state of readiness at the border crossings in Maynooth and Kilcock lest it spillover.
All fleeing refugees will be met with cold steel and a hail of half-empty mineral bottles.
The artillery up in Kells from 1997 are being redeployed south to Walterstown, Kilcloon, Blackhall, Longwood and Enfield so?
;)
There's a rumour about that Seanie initially tried to transfer to us but was politely rebuffed from a distance of about 30 yards after approaching on foot waving a white flag.
No Cavan men. Only Leitrim men. :P
And only if we get them young enough to civilize them.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 28, 2012, 08:16:12 PM
And only if we get them young enough to civilize them.
Haha. Well yas certainly 'civilised' Colm. I'd say he's some crack, the jawskin.
QuoteI've said it a hundred times - I believe this transfer is wrong - but don't cod yourself that there's this never-before-broken-ethos that Johnston is the first to break.
I agree with this and have discussed the hypocrisy at length already, I think I touched on it back in January, Christ this saga is dragging. AZ has the right idea, the GAA need to bite the bullet and rip up the rule book and start afresh, it's a complete farce.
Has he played a game for St Kevins yet?
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on May 29, 2012, 12:31:51 PM
Has he played a game for St Kevins yet?
He doesn't know where the pitch is. ;)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on May 28, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
QuoteI've said it a hundred times - I believe this transfer is wrong - but don't cod yourself that there's this never-before-broken-ethos that Johnston is the first to break.
I agree with this and have discussed the hypocrisy at length already, I think I touched on it back in January, Christ this saga is dragging. AZ has the right idea, the GAA need to bite the bullet and rip up the rule book and start afresh, it's a complete farce.
Of all the parties involved in this dispute, Seanie seems to have fared out best of all.
He got his transfer, as he was always going to ,and having to shack down in Straffan won't unduly interfere with his job.
Cavan is 77 miles approx. from Straffan and the M3 covers most of the route. I'd say he should make the journey easily in under 90 minutes most of the time.
His summer holidays are coming up so he will probably remain in Kildare most of the time.
But when he returns to work, his football commitments are going to ease off and I expect him to stay with his mammy a lot of the time.
Moving to Straffan is not going to be a big deal after all.
Geezer & Co. have got their man alright but when he eventually gets onto the panel, he may be more of a distraction than anything else.
AZ is right; the GAA has fared out worst of all. The rule book is in serious need of a complete revamp.
Ye thought it was all over, didn't ye ?
http://hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=170219
Quote from: Ard-Rí on May 31, 2012, 04:35:16 PM
Ye thought it was all over, didn't ye ?
http://hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=170219
In fairness to heffo he said it wasn't over!!
The CCCC have been informed by the CAC to ratify the transfer, seemingly will be done and dusted once and for all on Tuesday.
(http://i41.servimg.com/u/f41/17/21/40/40/myphot10.jpg)
How do you know?
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 01, 2012, 04:37:15 PM
The CCCC have been informed by the CAC to ratify the transfer, seemingly will be done and dusted once and for all on Tuesday.
(http://i41.servimg.com/u/f41/17/21/40/40/myphot10.jpg)
Surely it should read, "Welcome to Straffan" ?.
This is the new GAA and you're welcome to it.
Not sure if white is his colour. :-\
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
They've to catch him first
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
It'll be the first time in my life I'll cheer for meath, I feel dirty.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 01, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
It'll be the first time in my life I'll cheer for meath, I feel dirty.
I'm sure I speak for everyone in Kildare when I say that I'm devestated with that news.
Quote from: mup on June 01, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 01, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
It'll be the first time in my life I'll cheer for meath, I feel dirty.
I'm sure I speak for everyone in Kildare when I say that I'm devestated with that news.
You don't speak for everyone in kildare. You can't even spell for kildare.
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Quote from: mup on June 01, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 01, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
It'll be the first time in my life I'll cheer for meath, I feel dirty.
I'm sure I speak for everyone in Kildare when I say that I'm devestated with that news.
You don't speak for everyone in kildare. You can't even spell for kildare.
kildare??Jaysus, myles, I never heard of that place.
Where is it? ;D
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
Not onreally. Conforming to Stereotype?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 01, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
It'll be the first time in my life I'll cheer for meath, I feel dirty.
I'd like to see Colm Coyle in his prime whispering sweet nothings into Seanies ear.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 01, 2012, 08:39:25 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 01, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
It'll be the first time in my life I'll cheer for meath, I feel dirty.
I'd like to see Colm Coyle in his prime whispering sweet nothings into Seanies ear.
Are the boys that are there too soft to do it? Maybe McHugh was right?
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Are the boys that are there too soft to do it? Maybe McHugh was right?
Maybe. But maybe not.
Quote from: Hardy on June 01, 2012, 05:09:26 PM
This is the new GAA and you're welcome to it.
Drama!! ::)
Comedy was what I meant.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
A Meath man gets the idea to resort to dangerous filth to take out a talented northern forward in a bid to achieve success by cheating.
Haven't I heard rumours about that before?
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 02, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 01, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
God I hope our boys kill him if/when they get the chance.
A Meath man gets the idea to resort to dangerous filth to take out a talented northern forward in a bid to achieve success by cheating.
Haven't I heard rumours about that before?
sorry i thought seanie was a kildare man. Jaysus i'm confused already.
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 02, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
talented northern forward. I though Seanie was a kildare man now. Maybe he doesnt know what county he's from
Quote from: INDIANA on June 02, 2012, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 02, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
talented northern forward. I though Seanie was a kildare man now. Maybe he doesnt know what county he's from
Hes a Cavan man living in Kildare now simples
Quote from: Go home ref on June 02, 2012, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 02, 2012, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 02, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
talented northern forward. I though Seanie was a kildare man now. Maybe he doesnt know what county he's from
Hes a Cavan man living in Kildare now simples
He is no cavan man, he is a mercenary - simples.
Quote from: Go home ref on June 02, 2012, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on June 02, 2012, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 02, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
talented northern forward. I though Seanie was a kildare man now. Maybe he doesnt know what county he's from
Hes a Cavan man living in Kildare now simples
I heard he has dual nationality
I wonder will he be in using the gym in breffni like he did earlier in the year despite being off the panel. He has the neck to try it.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 02, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
It's a joke Ard-Ri, a reference to the Peter Canavan injury in 1996
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 02, 2012, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 02, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
Bid to achieve success?? What are you on about ...
It's a joke Ard-Ri, a reference to the Peter Canavan injury in 1996
Quite well aware, there's ne'er a man in Meath forgot the turban bandage. I was just making the point that if we cripple Seánie, there'll be no question of doing it in order to achieve success. Success is beyond our current panel. Tongue in cheek, don't ya know ;)
I'd never like to see a lad crippled playing football.
A chinese burn and a dead leg would be quite sufficient.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 02, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
I'd never like to see a lad crippled playing football.
A chinese burn and a dead leg would be quite sufficient.
Fair play to ya, Jinxy, keep'er lit, you're almost there! ;D ;D
Only four more pages to hit the 100 mark and that'll be no bother to ya.
So anyway, when can we expect to see him in Kildare colours?
Realistically.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 02, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
I wonder will he be in using the gym in breffni like he did earlier in the year despite being off the panel. He has the neck to try it.
Sure he lives in Kildare now, why would he be anywhere near Breffni?
I don't think the Kildare lads have a gym.
They don't believe in that sort of stuff.
It's rumoured this evening that the CCCC have granted the transfer
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/all-sides-diminished-by-absurd-transfer-mess-3126397.html
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 05, 2012, 06:10:19 PM
It's rumoured this evening that the CCCC have granted the transfer
It's gone through.
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Quote from: big balla on June 05, 2012, 06:15:09 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/all-sides-diminished-by-absurd-transfer-mess-3126397.html
A fine piece in the Indo and makes a change from their previous "poor seanie" bullshit pedalled by brehony.
To be honest Myles, regardless of what twitter polls and such like may say, I've yet to encounter an honest to goodness GAA man who approves of this transfer.
Honest to goodness. Don't give me that bull. They want to sell papers. Where were the honest to goodnaess GAA men when Carlow lost Thomas Walsh?
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
Honest to goodness. Don't give me that bull. They want to sell papers. Where were the honest to goodnaess GAA men when Carlow lost Thomas Walsh?
That got plenty of coverage at the time, but dont get us wrong, Kildare are bigger fish - they won the O'Byrne cup last year and Div 2 this year - hence more attention than a transfer between two Div 4 counties.
I genuinely think ye'll regret this and it'll work out as more hassle than it was worth.
Quote from: heffo on June 05, 2012, 07:24:41 PM
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
Honest to goodness. Don't give me that bull. They want to sell papers. Where were the honest to goodnaess GAA men when Carlow lost Thomas Walsh?
That got plenty of coverage at the time, but dont get us wrong, Kildare are bigger fish - they won the O'Byrne cup last year and Div 2 this year - hence more attention than a transfer between two Div 4 counties.
I genuinely think ye'll regret this and it'll work out as more hassle than it was worth.
It shouldn't be that way. The rules should be for every county no matter what Division. Its wrong, wrong, wrong that the media are giving this so much air time while not giving a fiddlers for the likes of Carlow.
And for whats its worth I agree with you regarding being more hassle than its worth.
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 05, 2012, 07:24:41 PM
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
Honest to goodness. Don't give me that bull. They want to sell papers. Where were the honest to goodnaess GAA men when Carlow lost Thomas Walsh?
That got plenty of coverage at the time, but dont get us wrong, Kildare are bigger fish - they won the O'Byrne cup last year and Div 2 this year - hence more attention than a transfer between two Div 4 counties.
I genuinely think ye'll regret this and it'll work out as more hassle than it was worth.
It shouldn't be that way. The rules should be for every county no matter what Division. Its wrong, wrong, wrong that the media are giving this so much air time while not giving a fiddlers for the likes of Carlow.
And for whats its worth I agree with you regarding being more hassle than its worth.
Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant attention from the media, not from the CCCC.
IMO, the CCCC gave this far more attention as Thomas Walsh was working in Dublin and it was believable he lived in Greystones.
It was unbelievable that someone working in Cavan and paying rent in Cavan (up to a week or so ago anyway) would also pay rent and commute that distance.
Thats the distinction in my view.
Both contrived though.
This is the first where a strongish county has taken a weak countys player though..
Why should how strong or weak a county is make a difference. It should have nothing got to do with it.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
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Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 07:49:44 PM
Why should how strong or weak a county is make a difference. It should have nothing got to do with it.
Did you read my post or just intentionally ignore it?
You wrote that this was the first time that a stronger county took form a weaker on. I assumed that this was one of the reasons the CCCC took their time with it. And I'm questioning why that should be?
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
Honest to goodness. Don't give me that bull. They want to sell papers. Where were the honest to goodnaess GAA men when Carlow lost Thomas Walsh?
Did you agree with the Thomas Walsh transfer?
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 08:29:02 PM
You wrote that this was the first time that a stronger county took form a weaker on. I assumed that this was one of the reasons the CCCC took their time with it.
Why would you assume that. I'm just a person on the internet with an opinion. I'm a fair bit younger than the average member of CCCC.
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
Celebrating, that chap is on a par with C Parkinson
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
So you were against it.
That's interesting.
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
They were all over it. Did you have your head in a hole?
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
So you were against it.
That's interesting.
For the record yes I was.
Quote from: heffo on June 05, 2012, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
They were all over it. Did you have your head in a hole?
I must have been. I don't recall the Sindo having articles about it even week for a few months. Maybe I had other things on my mind at the time.
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 05, 2012, 09:17:35 PM
Quote from: mup on June 05, 2012, 09:05:31 PM
Thats not the issue. Wherre were the media when he transferred? Where were they when Billy Sheehan transferred?
They were all over it. Did you have your head in a hole?
I must have been. I don't recall the Sindo having articles about it even week for a few months. Maybe I had other things on my mind at the time.
You must have is right. That transfer was submitted three times and dragged on for three and a half months. You're not very informed are you?
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
To be honest Myles, regardless of what twitter polls and such like may say, I've yet to encounter an honest to goodness GAA man who approves of this transfer.
Likewise. I have not met any cavan supporter that backs his move either. Most are happy to see the back of him. I wouldn't have any friends in cavan Gaels so possibly he may have supporters in there.
I remember the Thomas Walsh affair pretty well.
It got a lot of coverage at the time but it's understandable that the Seanie Johnston issue would get more coverage as you're dealing with a higher profile player and a much higher profile county.
That equates to greater public interest, more papers sold etc.
But the media coverage is incidental really.
The essential question is, is this right or is it wrong?
Which is a different question to, is this legal or is it illegal?
Mup, if you were against the Thomas Walsh transfer you should be against the Seanie Johnston transfer as it ticks all the same boxes and then some.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 05, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
To be honest Myles, regardless of what twitter polls and such like may say, I've yet to encounter an honest to goodness GAA man who approves of this transfer.
Likewise. I have not met any cavan supporter that backs his move either. Most are happy to see the back of him. I wouldn't have any friends in cavan Gaels so possibly he may have supporters in there.
I dunno, myles. He seems to have a fair few supporters on this board and I'm guessing they are mostly from Cavan.
I know a number of the Rory's supporters in the Belturbet area and it's fair to say opinion was divided when I last went for a pint in the Shoes.
TBH, I felt that any support for him was down to the fact that many perceived that he was harshly treated by the county board and by Val Andrews.
Right now, I'd agree that the vast majority of the Cavan folks I know don't like the way he went about getting himself a flour bag but not all objected to his right to move..
10/06/12
Keadeen Hotel Senior Football League Div 2 Round 9 All Games @ 3-00pm
Kilcock v St Kevin's
Forget about the soccer match, the rugby in New Zealand, Kerry and Cork, Tyrone and Armagh, Longford and Wexford, even Carlow and Meath. The seminal event of the sporting weekend, if not the sporting year, will take place in Kilcock this Sunday. There'll be a bumper commemorative supplement in the Sindo to mark the occasion no doubt.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 05, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 07:10:33 PM
To be honest Myles, regardless of what twitter polls and such like may say, I've yet to encounter an honest to goodness GAA man who approves of this transfer.
Likewise. I have not met any cavan supporter that backs his move either. Most are happy to see the back of him. I wouldn't have any friends in cavan Gaels so possibly he may have supporters in there.
I dunno, myles. He seems to have a fair few supporters on this board and I'm guessing they are mostly from Cavan.
I know a number of the Rory's supporters in the Belturbet area and it's fair to say opinion was divided when I last went for a pint in the Shoes.
TBH, I felt that any support for him was down to the fact that many perceived that he was harshly treated by the county board and by Val Andrews.
Right now, I'd agree that the vast majority of the Cavan folks I know don't like the way he went about getting himself a flour bag but not all objected to his right to move..
I don't believe any of the regular cavan contributors on here have declared they support him. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 05, 2012, 11:18:20 PM
10/06/12
Keadeen Hotel Senior Football League Div 2 Round 9 All Games @ 3-00pm
Kilcock v St Kevin's
Forget about the soccer match, the rugby in New Zealand, Kerry and Cork, Tyrone and Armagh, Longford and Wexford, even Carlow and Meath. The seminal event of the sporting weekend, if not the sporting year, will take place in Kilcock this Sunday. There'll be a bumper commemorative supplement in the Sindo to mark the occasion no doubt.
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When will Kevins be out in the championship next?
Heard a rumour they're going to throw a wig on Seanie and have him tog out for the ladies.
No need for a wig. He could grow a nice moustache and he'd pass for a woman from out Staplestown direction!
They're drawn against Sarsfields in the losers round whenever that will take place. I hope he's ready for the relegation battle.
Interesting to see how he gets on against Kilcock on Sunday. They'll be half tempted to get Davy Dalton out of retirement for that one.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 11:42:20 PM
When will Kevins be out in the championship next?
Well last year the second round wasn't played until after Kildare had lost to Donegal.
The more I think about it, due to eligibility issues (I don't believe he'll play a hurling match) and match fitness, we may not see Johnston in a Kildare jersey this year. With the circus around it I think that would be better for him and Kildare...
In an ideal world I wouldn't like to see him in a Kildare jersey any year but sure it's done now.
To get back on-topic again..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/johnston-gets-kildare-green-light-as-saga-finally-ends-3130548.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/johnston-gets-kildare-green-light-as-saga-finally-ends-3130548.html)
Johnston gets Kildare green light as saga finally ends
Seanie Johnston has finally been deemed eligible to transfer to Kildare after the most protracted inter-county GAA transfer saga came to an end last night.
The GAA's Central Competitions Controls Committee (CCCC) felt they had no option but to rubberstamp Johnston's transfer from Cavan Gaels to St Kevin's in Kildare after a decision from the Central Appeals Committee (CAC) made almost two weeks ago.
The CAC had upheld Johnston's transfer request -- which had been turned down by the CCCC for a second time on the grounds of residency -- on the basis that an objection from his club or county had not been received within the 10 days required in accordance with rule 6.10b of the Official Guide.
The CCCC had sought clarification. With no recourse to the Disputes Resolution Authority, the avenue they wanted to take to test the residency and ethos position they took, the CCCC felt they could not challenge the decision.
Johnston has been attempting to move to St Kevin's for six months. He has been training with Kildare for several weeks but must now play a championship match with St Kevin's before he can play for the Lilies.
No Kildare SFC matches have been fixed, although the draws for the second round were made last week. Clubs are under the impression there will be none played until the county team's championship business is over.
There has been suggestions that local bye-laws would allow him to play with Coill Dubh, a hurling club with a link to St Kevin's.
- Colm Keys
Irish Independent
So either he takes up hurling for 5 minutes or he doesn't play for Kildare this year.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 06, 2012, 02:02:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 05, 2012, 11:42:20 PM
When will Kevins be out in the championship next?
Well last year the second round wasn't played until after Kildare had lost to Donegal.
The more I think about it, due to eligibility issues (I don't believe he'll play a hurling match) and match fitness, we may not see Johnston in a Kildare jersey this year. With the circus around it I think that would be better for him and Kildare...
In an ideal world I wouldn't like to see him in a Kildare jersey any year but sure it's done now.
Once he missed the Leixlip match any chance he had was gone. The Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corrchoill match is surely not an option. I don't want to see the guy lining out for Kildare but at least it's finally resolved and we can get back to talking football.
Will he hurl? Is there hurling fixed?
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 06, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
Will he hurl? Is there hurling fixed?
Three weeks from this weekend. I can't see it to be honest. The county is enough of a laughing stock over this as it is without having that charade. His only hope would be if Sarsfields agreed to bring the second round match forward as a stand alone fixture but that would be very unlikely. Parachuting him straight into the match day panel at this stage could also cause more trouble than it is worth if a lad who has put in the slog during the league was to miss out.
In saying all that though, it is unlikely this was pursued for so long just to have him sitting in the stands. We'll probably be hearing plenty more about this before the summer is out.
Will they try and hook him up with a teaching job in Kildare for next year?
If he does hurl Cúltec should sponsor him one of those new synthetic hurls. Great publicity, and he probably doesn't have one of his own :D
Quote from: Jinxy on June 06, 2012, 02:04:58 PM
So either he takes up hurling for 5 minutes or he doesn't play for Kildare this year.
Well Jinxy in a bid to help you take this over 100 pages let's look at the dates.
June 17 Kildare v Offaly (in a bid to offend Biffos I'm gonna assume Kildare win this)
July 1 Kildare v Meath
If Kildare win: July 22 Leinster final
If Kildare lose: Qualifiers on July 21 and 28.
All-Ireland quarters are on August bank holiday.
So assuming Kildare make the All-Ireland quarters one way or another, the longest break we'll have is three weeks, and that's if we beat Meath.
Given that Geezer has never been happy with club championship games being that close to inter-county games I'll be absolutely shocked if there's club games arranged for any of those breaks. Even if Geezer was willing to make an exception clubs would not be happy at all with short notice/lack of time with their players.
Plus, say Kildare do beat Meath, and I'm wrong and club games are arranged, it would also be a new departure for him to start a player in a Leinster final that hasn't played a minute of inter-county all year.
I'd also be surprised if we'd be willing to go through the charade of him hurling for Coill Dubh.
So I'd be very doubtful about whether Seanie will start for Kildare this year, and I think that's another point that a lot of coverage is missing.
Of course I could be wrong and maybe Geezer views Johnston as so important that he will do anything to have him available, but that would go against his track record of picking people on form/fitness etc.
The big question now for me is how long-term Johnston views this move to be - would he take a teaching post in Kildare, for example?
People go on as if this year is McGeeney's last throw of the dice or something but apart from Doyle and Earley, it's a young Kildare side, and Geezer is only in the first year of a three-year term. Maybe he views Johnston as a long-term thing?
fair play to you boys for getting to 100 pages thats some going
Not yet
Now
Nope
Not even now?
Nearly there.
(http://unknownjim.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/finish-line1.jpg)
Might go back and delete all my posts out of spite
Too late.
What's done is done.
We'll get her to 200 yet.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling-debut-not-on-cards-as-kildare-wait-on-johnston-196423.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling-debut-not-on-cards-as-kildare-wait-on-johnston-196423.html)
The Éire Óg/Corrchoill lads will be gutted.
keep her rollin lol, knew seanie was a sure thing back round pg87 or so!!
The one that got away...
http://gaabeotg4.com/2012/06/06/laochra-gael-declan-browne-ep10-teaser-laochragael-tg4-gaa/ (http://gaabeotg4.com/2012/06/06/laochra-gael-declan-browne-ep10-teaser-laochragael-tg4-gaa/)
It's only a matter of time until Kildare develop some sort of mind control device to target players in weaker counties.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 06, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
It's only a matter of time until Kildare develop some sort of mind control device to target players in weaker counties.
ye could be in bother when that happens
Sure we can't even control our own minds.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 06, 2012, 08:01:53 PM
Sure we can't even control our own minds.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on June 06, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Too late.
What's done is done.
We'll get her to 200 yet.
No bother to ya, boy. I know you'd keep her going. No stopping ya now until we hit the 200 mark. ;D
(PS I'm gettiing a bit bored with this Seanie fella, whoever he is. Why don't we get back to the Ballagh thread. I have at least a hundred pages of insults to hop of them bloody Rossies all by meself.)
I dunno Lar.
We'll need a new angle.
Hopefully St. Kevins have a challenge match lined up with Derrytresk.
It's only on p30 in my viewing thing. 8)
Trust a Mayo man to be awkward.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 06, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
It's only a matter of time until Kildare develop some sort of mind control device to target players in weaker counties.
As one of the weaker division 3 counties ye must be seriously worried by that
I'm half tempted to offer Cian Ward just to see what Geezer does to him.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 06, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
It's only a matter of time until Kildare develop some sort of mind control device to target players in weaker counties.
Is that technology not available already in Kildare ?.
(http://s1.jrnl.ie/media/2011/03/inpho_00496849-390x285.jpg)
"Look into my eyes...."
It's working:
(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/6a/74/d7/88f61542ac6625c2a7395122b9/INPHO_00002099.jpg)(http://www.inpho.ie/cache/inpho/87/65/fd/cd43931dd11e825e44ad605b95/INPHO_00016502.jpg)
Look at the blank expression in the picture on the right compared with the sheer exuberance and joy evident in the first picture.
He's clearly been brainwashed.
Quote from: Jinxy on June 07, 2012, 12:53:47 PM
Look at the blank expression in the picture on the right compared with the sheer exuberance and joy evident in the first picture.
He's clearly been brainwashed.
It Looks like he has been hypnotised allright . He aged a lot in the couple of years that he was playing for Meath he must have found it stressfull.
Probably just post-traumatic stress disorder from marking the Meath full-back line of the late 90s in training.
Any of the Cavan lads know the origin of his nickname , Jelly.
Something to do with throwing wobblers I'd imagine.
Quote from: Onlooker on June 08, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
Any of the Cavan lads know the origin of his nickname , Jelly.
No idea. Maybe Kildare can give him a new nickname?
I know the names the Cavan supporters will be using if he ever plays against us.
QuoteCormac O'Malley@cormacpro
Kildare SFL Div 2 Kilcock 1-3 St Kevins 1-5. Halftime. Seanie Johnston with 0-3 on his debut.
Retweeted by KfmSport
QuoteCormac O'Malley@cormacpro
SFL Div 2 Kilcock 1-8 St Kevins 1-11. Result. Seanie Johnston 0-5 on his debut for St Kevins, Mark Fitzharris with 1-2 as well for Kevins.
Retweeted by Ger Gilroy
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 08, 2012, 11:57:44 AM
Quote from: Onlooker on June 08, 2012, 11:24:21 AM
Any of the Cavan lads know the origin of his nickname , Jelly.
No idea. Maybe Kildare can give him a new nickname?
I know the names the Cavan supporters will be using if he ever plays against us.
You are some craic myles :D
Sunday game analysts are saying Seanie is now eligible after making his debut today for St. Kevins.
Surely it's the championship he was to play in in order to qualify ?
He won't play for Kildare this year. The second round of the club championship won't take place until the county team are knocked out.
Heard he played a game and scored 5 points
He played County League Div 2. He cannot play for Kildare until he has played county championship which will not take place until the county team's campaign is over. The boys on the Sunday Game completely jumping the gun.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2012, 02:08:54 AM
He played County League Div 2. He cannot play for Kildare until he has played county championship which will not take place until the county team's campaign is over. The boys on the Sunday Game completely jumping the gun.
Ah, so still no Seanie for this year then?
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 11, 2012, 02:11:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2012, 02:08:54 AM
He played County League Div 2. He cannot play for Kildare until he has played county championship which will not take place until the county team's campaign is over. The boys on the Sunday Game completely jumping the gun.
Ah, so still no Seanie for this year then?
Hard to see when he's going to get the chance to become eligible. Unbelievable incompetence from The Sunday Game and they should make a correction.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 11, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 11, 2012, 02:11:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2012, 02:08:54 AM
He played County League Div 2. He cannot play for Kildare until he has played county championship which will not take place until the county team's campaign is over. The boys on the Sunday Game completely jumping the gun.
Ah, so still no Seanie for this year then?
Hard to see when he's going to get the chance to become eligible. Unbelievable incompetence from The Sunday Game and they should make a correction.
They did say after the break that it was only league and that league didn't qualify.
Somebody must have phoned in.
Quote from: orangeman on June 11, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 11, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
Quote from: Armaghgeddon on June 11, 2012, 02:11:36 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 11, 2012, 02:08:54 AM
He played County League Div 2. He cannot play for Kildare until he has played county championship which will not take place until the county team's campaign is over. The boys on the Sunday Game completely jumping the gun.
Ah, so still no Seanie for this year then?
Hard to see when he's going to get the chance to become eligible. Unbelievable incompetence from The Sunday Game and they should make a correction.
They did say after the break that it was only league and that league didn't qualify.
Somebody must have phoned in.
Well that's something (I didn't see the show, was told about it) but to accuse Kildare county board of 'manipulating' fixtures when that's a run of the mill game that would have been scheduled months ago is still extremely shoddy...
They presented it as if a last minute decision had been made to squeeze a club championship game in in order to make Seanie eligible. Whelan actually said the Kildare CB had manipulated the fixture to do so. What planet are they on, I know they are Dubs but did they honestly think a club championship knockout game like that can be pushed through just like that? Either way, in going out of their way to report on this particular matter, they should have at least gotten their facts right. Shoddy for sure.
Quote from: LilySavage on June 12, 2012, 10:46:43 AM
Either way, in going out of their way to report on this particular matter, they should have at least gotten their facts right. Shoddy for sure.
Thats the only concern you have surrounding this saga?
Christ weeps...
Shoddy for sure ! ;)
The confusion over Johnston made the Sunday Game presenter and panellists look ridiculous the other night. Its about time that they abandoned the tradition of having amateur volunteers panellists on the Sunday Game. I think it would improve the programme if they hired professional panellists who would be paid a decent wage and expenses. At least they would have an incentive to get their facts right unlike the poor volunteers who are there now, doing their best but sadly making a bit of a hames of it.
It was the "professional" presenter who made a hames of it. What do you mean by "professional panellists"? I'm sure they get paid as it is. That makes them professionals in this context.
Being a panellist is a good number. They are not volunteers!
Quote from: Give and Go on June 12, 2012, 11:56:27 AM
Being a panellist is a good number. They are not volunteers!
That was my point - my career in the irony business is in doubt. The Sunday Game presenter and panellists are extremely well paid but their uninformed, ill-prepared opinions are only as useful as an average pub bore.
Quote from: cornafean on June 12, 2012, 11:18:24 AM
The confusion over Johnston made the Sunday Game presenter and panellists look ridiculous the other night. Its about time that they abandoned the tradition of having amateur volunteers panellists on the Sunday Game. I think it would improve the programme if they hired professional panellists who would be paid a decent wage and expenses. At least they would have an incentive to get their facts right unlike the poor volunteers who are there now, doing their best but sadly making a bit of a hames of it.
They are paid handsomely for their services and are also provided a hotel room to prepare and rest before the broadcast. They also have the services of a renowned rule book expert at their disposal.
Clearly some of them are more prepared than others.
Surely they have a researcher who could have checked it out beforehand. A quick glance at the fixtures on the Kildare website or even on here would have confirmed that it was a county league game and not championship.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
Surely they have a researcher who could have checked it out beforehand. A quick glance at the fixtures on the Kildare website or even on here would have confirmed that it was a county league game and not championship.
They do indeed, would imagine someone tweeted Des Cahill and he thought he'd be ahead of the possee..
Quote from: heffo on June 12, 2012, 12:44:25 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
Surely they have a researcher who could have checked it out beforehand. A quick glance at the fixtures on the Kildare website or even on here would have confirmed that it was a county league game and not championship.
They do indeed, would imagine someone tweeted Des Cahill and he thought he'd be ahead of the possee..
It was a woeful blunder. Lads have got the sack for much less.
Quote from: cornafean on June 12, 2012, 11:18:24 AM
The confusion over Johnston made the Sunday Game presenter and panellists look ridiculous the other night. Its about time that they abandoned the tradition of having amateur volunteers panellists on the Sunday Game. I think it would improve the programme if they hired professional panellists who would be paid a decent wage and expenses. At least they would have an incentive to get their facts right unlike the poor volunteers who are there now, doing their best but sadly making a bit of a hames of it.
Am i right in reading the replies to this ;D ;D Some people couldn't wait to jump in and tell people what they know without realising the pisstake of this post. Brillant work lads ;D ;D
Quote from: LilySavage on June 12, 2012, 10:46:43 AM
They presented it as if a last minute decision had been made to squeeze a club championship game in in order to make Seanie eligible. Whelan actually said the Kildare CB had manipulated the fixture to do so. What planet are they on, I know they are Dubs but did they honestly think a club championship knockout game like that can be pushed through just like that? Either way, in going out of their way to report on this particular matter, they should have at least gotten their facts right. Shoddy for sure.
Whelan actually said "If its true" then the Kildare CB had manipulated the fixture list. Which would have been correct had it been true. But obviously it wasn't true.
I like Des Cahill, but he was the one clearly at fault here. Thought he had the big scoop and went full steam. You could see that both McStay and Whelan had doubt and were surprised, but they'd no reason to believe Des got it wrong.
Des's limitation as a journalist were highlighted the other week when they talking about Seanie first. You had Colm Parkinson giving out yards about transfers, yet Des hadn't the balls to ask him about his transfer to Parnells (even if to give Parkinson the chance to highlight the differences/similarities). Des would be well aware of the controversy in Dublin GAA circles of the coincidence of Parnells coming into a lot of money and then suddenly becoming an attractive club for intercounty players.
Think it exposes a lack of knowledge, especially on Cahill's part. Anyone following this even half closely would know that it's very unlikely that a round of the Kildare SFC will be played any time soon.
Quote from: cornafean on June 12, 2012, 12:01:53 PM
Quote from: Give and Go on June 12, 2012, 11:56:27 AM
Being a panellist is a good number. They are not volunteers!
That was my point - my career in the irony business is in doubt. The Sunday Game presenter and panellists are extremely well paid but their uninformed, ill-prepared opinions are only as useful as an average pub bore.
Ah! It's not you - it's a malfunction in my irony detector.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 12, 2012, 01:48:20 PM
Think it exposes a lack of knowledge, especially on Cahill's part. Anyone following this even half closely would know that it's very unlikely that a round of the Kildare SFC will be played any time soon.
And mightn't need to be played if the Leinster Leader is to be believed.
'And mightn't need to be played if the Leinster Leader is to be believed.'
Why?
Quote from: LilySavage on June 12, 2012, 03:52:25 PM
'And mightn't need to be played if the Leinster Leader is to be believed.'
Why?
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/johnston-s-transfer-was-decided-under-old-rule-but-confusion-reigns-1-3939750
QuoteCentral Competitions Control Committee secretary Patrick Doherty has confirmed that Seanie Johnston's transfer from Cavan Gaels to St Kevin's was decided under the old rule as it was submitted before the annual Congress, writes Ruth Chambers.
However, it is not clear if Johnston is yet eligible to line out for the Lilies because of the fact that the London County Board brought forward their championship in order to ensure their players were eligible to play for the exiles in the Connacht Championship, after a ruling from the Ard Chomhairle. This was despite the fact that their transfer requests were too submitted before Congress.
The Leinster Leader has learned that the Kildare County Board have been asked to write to the Ard Chomhairle to look for a ruling on the matter. Ard Chomhairle are due to meet this Saturday.
Johnston made his debut for his new club St Kevin's last Sunday and scored five points against Kilcock in the SFL encounter.
Quote from: LilySavage on June 12, 2012, 03:52:25 PM
'And mightn't need to be played if the Leinster Leader is to be believed.'
Why?
Article in it claiming that the county board have been asked to write to Croke Park for clarification on whether Johnston is subject to the new rule given that the transfer was submitted prior to congress. Think it said there was a meeting on Saturday night.
Haven't got the paper in front of me but I'm sure it's online somewhere.
Quote from: tommysmith on June 12, 2012, 03:58:52 PM
Quote from: LilySavage on June 12, 2012, 03:52:25 PM
'And mightn't need to be played if the Leinster Leader is to be believed.'
Why?
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/sport/gaelic-games/johnston-s-transfer-was-decided-under-old-rule-but-confusion-reigns-1-3939750
QuoteCentral Competitions Control Committee secretary Patrick Doherty has confirmed that Seanie Johnston's transfer from Cavan Gaels to St Kevin's was decided under the old rule as it was submitted before the annual Congress, writes Ruth Chambers.
However, it is not clear if Johnston is yet eligible to line out for the Lilies because of the fact that the London County Board brought forward their championship in order to ensure their players were eligible to play for the exiles in the Connacht Championship, after a ruling from the Ard Chomhairle. This was despite the fact that their transfer requests were too submitted before Congress.
The Leinster Leader has learned that the Kildare County Board have been asked to write to the Ard Chomhairle to look for a ruling on the matter. Ard Chomhairle are due to meet this Saturday.
Johnston made his debut for his new club St Kevin's last Sunday and scored five points against Kilcock in the SFL encounter.
That's the one.
Can Seanie will play a championship hurling match in Kildare to make him eligable for Kildare senior footballers.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 12, 2012, 04:12:49 PM
Can Seanie will play a championship hurling match in Kildare to make him eligable for Kildare senior footballers.
Apparently he can if he plays for 3 minutes or more but it won't happen.
QuoteApparently he can if he plays for 3 minutes or more but it won't happen.
I spose it would be a bridge too far in cute hoorism
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 12, 2012, 04:41:30 PM
QuoteApparently he can if he plays for 3 minutes or more but it won't happen.
I spose it would be a bridge too far in cute hoorism
I'd say they'd be more concerned for his physical well-being. Kildare club hurling can be rather agricultural and I speak from personal experience!
Darragh Ó Sé's perspective, in today's Irish Times:
THE MIDDLE THIRD: Seánie Johnston has made a difficult personal decision to switch to Kildare – we should let him get on with it and focus on more important matters in the GAA
WHEN THE Seánie Johnston affair started away back in early spring, the one thing I thought for sure about it was it would be sorted out by the time the serious stuff started. But here we are – in the last week of June, no less – and it's still an issue.
Kildare play Meath on Sunday and, if the last few games are anything to go by, you can be sure Seánie will be there in Croke Park alongside the Kildare panel. In amongst the players he's been training with for months now but not allowed to take his place.
At this stage of the game, that's crazy stuff.
The first thing everyone needs to do when it comes to Johnston is to stop pretending this is the first time in the history of the GAA this has happened.
He isn't breaking any new ground here, he's not bending any rules that haven't been bent and broken before. To hear some people talking, you'd swear he was going to rip every root of the GAA out of the ground before the summer is out. This isn't a big deal – it's a player changing his club and county to play intercounty football. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
I feel he deserves a lot of sympathy. Or if you can't go as far as sympathy, then he at least deserves a bit of understanding.
Think about the decision he's made. Peel back all the layers of it and think what it must be like for him personally to up and leave his own place and his own people to go and play for someone else when he knows it won't be a popular move.
Whatever you think about his motives, you have to admit it's a very brave thing to do.
Wind the tape on to Christmas time five or six years down the road when all of this is over and he's back to being Seánie Johnston, a local teacher above in Cavan. You know and I know that when he walks into his local bar even then, there'll be fellas going quiet in the corner having just discussed him. You think Seánie doesn't know that as well? Of course he does, yet he has decided to be a man about it and plough on. That takes guts.
This is like a puppy – it's not just for Christmas, it's for life. In 10 years' time, 20 years' time, this is something that will be thrown back at him and maybe even at his family. So there's no way he'd be doing it lightly, there's no way he'd be doing it without having thought it through.
I don't know him but I do feel sorry for him. I think there's been a small bit of a witch-hunt against him.
I don't understand why he's taken such stick about it. I could maybe see it if this was him taking the easy way out but there's nothing easy in what he's put himself through. Look at all the hoops he's had to jump through, look at all the committees that have had their say on his situation. He even has a rule change at Congress nicknamed in his honour! No player wants that.
The easy way out would have been to shrug his shoulders away back before Easter and say: "Ah, this is too much hassle, we'll leave it so." But instead he did everything the committees asked of him in changing address and getting two clubs and two county boards to sign off on the move.
On top of all that, he's done everything Kieran McGeeney and the Kildare management have asked of him – and since they're one of the fittest teams in the country, we can take it that wasn't easy either.
Surely by now he has done enough to show he's serious for the rest of us in the GAA to say: "Fair enough, lad, away you go."
Everybody's situation is different. For me, I could never have done it but then that's okay for me to say because the situation never arose.
I moved to Tralee a good number of years ago and there was an hour's driving over and back to the club but it never occurred to me to go looking for a change. I'm not holding myself up as some sort of paragon of virtue, just pointing out it was never an option. I would never have left An Ghaeltacht to go to a club in Tralee and nobody would ever have thought to bring it up with me.
Even now, I'd love to be heading back there a couple of times a week for training and for games but my time is done. Mick O'Dwyer used to be gentle with men who'd put on a few pounds over the winter by saying, "I see you're getting strong anyway . . ."
Well, my strength is my weakness at this stage and the tight jerseys that are in vogue now have finished me off altogether. But I still go back there to watch matches and I always will.
Isn't that the case with 99 per cent of players in the GAA? And won't that always be the case? Fellas move away from home, they leave for work or women or whatever but the draw of home almost always brings them back.
If they want to leave to play intercounty football or hurling, then that shouldn't be a big deal. It will only apply in a tiny number of cases because the vast, vast majority of players will want to play with the people they grew up with and the county they feel is home.
I had a conversation about this one night with P Sé. "Just out of interest," I said. "Would you have ever moved and gone somewhere else to play?"
"Ah no," he said. "I found it hard enough to be told I was useless by my own fellas. I would never have handled it from outsiders!"
We can sometimes be too paranoid about what the GAA can and can't offer. We should be more confident about it and instead of focusing on the tiny minority of cases where fellas move, we should leave them off and let them enjoy the experience.
This won't open the floodgates, purely because the tradition is so strong and the pull of the place you grew up doesn't leave most people.
It's like when people go mad worrying about losing young fellas to rugby or soccer or Aussie Rules. When I hear people calling it a crisis, I just think we should stand up for ourselves a bit more and have a bit more faith in what we have to offer. I remember when I was a teenager coming through and playing for the club, I had the novelty of playing against Currow and marking Mick Galwey, with him just back from a Lions tour.
Even these days, if Currow are having a fund-raiser and they ask Mick down to help out, he's the first man through the door. The GAA lost him to rugby along the way but we never really lost him at all.
Long after Seánie Johnston has finished playing, long after the rest of us have forgotten about the whole saga, the GAA will still thrive and most players will still tog out in the same dressingrooms they grew up in.
With all the attention his case has got and all the predictions about the floodgates opening if he ends up a Kildare player, you'd think there must be hundreds of applications going to the GAA every year from fellas in the same situation as him. There aren't.
People do move clubs all the time and they go through far less hassle than Seánie has. I was in Croke Park a couple of weeks ago and I ran into Colm Parkinson.
It was soon after he was on The Sunday Game that night when they'd been talking about the Seánie Johnston case.
I thought he was great on the show and they should have him on a lot more often because he's at least some way honest about what he sees on the pitch and he's not afraid of offending people. But when it came to what he was saying about Seánie, I was killed laughing.
"You're some boy to be giving out," I said. "Of all people. You left your own club and went to play for one in Dublin, when Portlaoise is less than an hour down the road. And you're cribbing about Seánie Johnston going and hour and a half down the country? Give a guy a break."
I know Colm was living and working in Dublin at the time and I wasn't saying he was breaking any rules or anything like that. But surely a bit of sympathy for Johnston's situation wasn't too much to ask for?
Let's be honest about this. If Johnston had moved to Longford or Leitrim, there wouldn't be one word said about it. It might have made the papers for a week or two in the winter and nobody would have passed any remarks. Just like nobody minded too much when Austin O'Malley and Thomas Walsh went to Wicklow or when Billy Joe Padden went to Armagh. But because he moved to Kildare, people are up in arms.
If Johnston had looked to transfer to Kildare five years ago, it wouldn't have been a big deal either. But the fact Kildare are very close to making a breakthrough has given them a bigger profile and it has put some noses out of joint. He's been made trudge down every last avenue in search of this thing, just to make an example out of him.
People forget there's a person involved here trying to live his life.
You can bang on about protecting the integrity of the GAA all you like but at the heart of this is a very good footballer who has had to make big changes in his living arrangements and commuting habits just to try to play for an intercounty team.
He didn't dream this up in the back of a taxi on the way home from a disco – he has done everything that's been asked of him. For him to then take flak from all quarters as if he was a threat to the GAA is way over the top. We have loads of things to worry about in the GAA these days. Seánie Johnston shouldn't be one of them. I wish him well.
What a load of ould horse droppings.
Yerra never mind the rules; sure there's more to life than abiding by the rules.
Excellent article
Quote from: Hardy on June 27, 2012, 05:37:01 PM
What a load of ould horse droppings.
Yerra never mind the rules; sure there's more to life than abiding by the rules.
100% correct. He doesn't seem to know even the basics of the issue. In fact there is so much bullshit in it that I couldn't be bothered spend the night pointing it out. On the positive Celt man developed an opinion on it so its not all bad!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 27, 2012, 07:03:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 27, 2012, 05:37:01 PM
What a load of ould horse droppings.
Yerra never mind the rules; sure there's more to life than abiding by the rules.
100% correct. He doesn't seem to know even the basics of the issue. In fact there is so much bullshit in it that I couldn't be bothered spend the night pointing it out. On the positive Celt man developed an opinion on it so its not all bad!
Dry up Myles
I don't really know the facts that lead to Seanie transferring to Kildare KIldare but, as that hasn't stopped every dog in the street from wuffing his opinions, I won't let that particular fact stop me giving mine.
I think Val Andrews has a lot to answer for.
If what I heard is true, Val went far outside his remit by dropping Johnston and several others when he found out that they had been using Twitter to have a go at him.
Okay, the hoors should have had more sense than they appear to have and that even by having a private account, they couldn't stop Val from seeing what they had tweeted.
They obviously weren't fans of Val but any player who doesn't call his manager a bollicks from time to time isn't worth his place on any team. The tweets were meant to be private but, somehow, Val got wind of them and decided to drop them as a result.
In doing that, I feel he was going outside his remit when he took on the Cavan gig. It's inconceivable that the Cavan CB allowed him the freedom to drop any player who criticised him behind his back. If that was the case, he soon wouldn't be able to field a team for a seven-a-side tournament.
Seanie being dropped for loss of form is one thing but if he got shafted because his manager didn't like what he had to say about him in private is quite another matter.
If that was indeed the case, I think he was entitled to try his luck elsewhere.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2012, 11:06:48 PM
I don't really know the facts that lead to Seanie transferring to Kildare KIldare but, as that hasn't stopped every dog in the street from wuffing his opinions, I won't let that particular fact stop me giving mine.
I think Val Andrews has a lot to answer for.
If what I heard is true, Val went far outside his remit by dropping Johnston and several others when he found out that they had been using Twitter to have a go at him.
Okay, the hoors should have had more sense than they appear to have and that even by having a private account, they couldn't stop Val from seeing what they had tweeted.
They obviously weren't fans of Val but any player who doesn't call his manager a bollicks from time to time isn't worth his place on any team. The tweets were meant to be private but, somehow, Val got wind of them and decided to drop them as a result.
In doing that, I feel he was going outside his remit when he took on the Cavan gig. It's inconceivable that the Cavan CB allowed him the freedom to drop any player who criticised him behind his back. If that was the case, he soon wouldn't be able to field a team for a seven-a-side tournament.
Seanie being dropped for loss of form is one thing but if he got shafted because his manager didn't like what he had to say about him in private is quite another matter.
If that was indeed the case, I think he was entitled to try his luck elsewhere.
Lar - tweet story is a load of bollix for a start.
Secondly suppose this is correct - Have you ever managed a team? Are you telling me if you were over a team and a bunch of players were slagging you off on twitter and facebook or whatever that you would allow that to go ahead unpunished? You are seriously suggesting that? You don't think lads doing that type of thing would have an effect in overall team discipline and completely undermines your position. You have to deal with that sort of thing hard, kick them off the panel immediately is the only course of action.
Great article
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 27, 2012, 11:18:52 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2012, 11:06:48 PM
I don't really know the facts that lead to Seanie transferring to Kildare KIldare but, as that hasn't stopped every dog in the street from wuffing his opinions, I won't let that particular fact stop me giving mine.
I think Val Andrews has a lot to answer for.
If what I heard is true, Val went far outside his remit by dropping Johnston and several others when he found out that they had been using Twitter to have a go at him.
Okay, the hoors should have had more sense than they appear to have and that even by having a private account, they couldn't stop Val from seeing what they had tweeted.
They obviously weren't fans of Val but any player who doesn't call his manager a bollicks from time to time isn't worth his place on any team. The tweets were meant to be private but, somehow, Val got wind of them and decided to drop them as a result.
In doing that, I feel he was going outside his remit when he took on the Cavan gig. It's inconceivable that the Cavan CB allowed him the freedom to drop any player who criticised him behind his back. If that was the case, he soon wouldn't be able to field a team for a seven-a-side tournament.
Seanie being dropped for loss of form is one thing but if he got shafted because his manager didn't like what he had to say about him in private is quite another matter.
If that was indeed the case, I think he was entitled to try his luck elsewhere.
Lar - tweet story is a load of bollix for a start.
Secondly suppose this is correct - Have you ever managed a team? Are you telling me if you were over a team and a bunch of players were slagging you off on twitter and facebook or whatever that you would allow that to go ahead unpunished? You are seriously suggesting that? You don't think lads doing that type of thing would have an effect in overall team discipline and completely undermines your position. You have to deal with that sort of thing hard, kick them off the panel immediately is the only course of action.
I've been careful to point out that I don't know all the facts and I feel that no one on this topic knows them either.
But can you tell me categorically that the tweet story is a load of bollix?
That's what I was told by an assload of Cavan supporters and I've no reason to doubt their word. Nobody so far has come up with another, more credible one.
I have indeed managed a team, several in fact, and I'm quite sure that every player involved with me called me a bollicks from time to time .If they didn't I'd feel I wasn't doing my job.
Whatever they might have to say about me in private wouldn't bother me one little bit.
But I wouldn't use subterfuge to hack into a private conversation to spy on what they were saying.
Jerome Quinn is stating that Johnston is "reportedly" set to play in Kildare hurling championship on Saturday. Make of that what you will.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on June 28, 2012, 08:53:39 AM
Jerome Quinn is stating that Johnston is "reportedly" set to play in Kildare hurling championship on Saturday. Make of that what you will.
That Jerome Quinn fella is fairly on the ball
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20986.1155
That twitter thing is a load of crap.
Seanie Johnson V Val Andrews had nothing to do with twitter and anyone from Cavan that thinks that is not up to speed with what is going on in Cavan GAA circles.
Anyway that arguement is old , is he really going to get a few lashs to the back of the legs with a hurl this week :D.
Myles would pay good money to see that!
I cannot believe this nonsense is still ongoing. The hurling thing is pure speculation as yet but I suppose nobody will know until Saturday night in Clane whether it is happening or not. I would lose all respect for Coill Dubh if they allowed themselves to be abused in such a way especially after these comments were made only a few weeks ago:
Quote14 June 2012
However, Coill Dubh secretary and PRO Leonie Delaney emphatically dismissed suggestions Johnston will line out for their hurling team to become eligible for the county's footballers.
Coill Dubh's senior trainer is Trevor Carew, brother of Kildare selector Niall, who is also a member of both clubs.
But Delaney believes people arereading too much into that connection and insists Johnston is unlikely to play for Coill Dubh against Eire Óg-Corrachoill.
"Seánie Johnston hasn't been at [hurling] training and it's just pure speculation that he will play," saidDelaney.
"There are close links between the clubs but my own view is that it's just other people's desperation to see him play for Kildare.
"Our trainer Trevor is a brother of Niall Carew but it's too easy to make assumptions."
Delaney is also unequivocal in her opposition to Johnston turning out for Coill Dubh in just over two weeks' time.
After last winning the Sean Carey Cup back in 2003, they are determined to add to their collection of 10 SHC titles.
"We're a successful hurling club and wouldn't want anything to reflect badly on that.
"We're taking this championship very seriously. It hasn't gone well for us in recent years. It's been nine years since we last won it.
"The inclusion of Seánie Johnston wouldn't be seen to help our case," she added.
Last week, St Kevin's vice-chairman John Noone also slammed the Johnston hurling rumours as "speculation".
"The first I saw of it was on Facebook when some bright spark came up with the idea."
However, he added: "The transfer has gone through for St Kevin's and everything else is up to Kildare — that's the way we'd be looking at it."
Johnston played his first game for St Kevin's in a Division 2 league fixture against Kilcock on Sunday when he kicked five points.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0614/sport/kildare-explore-seanie-loophole-197353.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0614/sport/kildare-explore-seanie-loophole-197353.html)
We'll have to wait until Saturday night to see whether they're true to their word and he makes no appearance in Clane. It's really ridiculous to have this hanging over the Kildare panel before a big match on Sunday.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 11:13:49 AM
I cannot believe this nonsense is still ongoing. The hurling thing is pure speculation as yet but I suppose nobody will know until Saturday night in Clane whether it is happening or not. I would lose all respect for Coill Dubh if they allowed themselves to be abused in such a way especially after these comments were made only a few weeks ago:
Quote14 June 2012
However, Coill Dubh secretary and PRO Leonie Delaney emphatically dismissed suggestions Johnston will line out for their hurling team to become eligible for the county's footballers.
Coill Dubh's senior trainer is Trevor Carew, brother of Kildare selector Niall, who is also a member of both clubs.
But Delaney believes people arereading too much into that connection and insists Johnston is unlikely to play for Coill Dubh against Eire Óg-Corrachoill.
"Seánie Johnston hasn't been at [hurling] training and it's just pure speculation that he will play," saidDelaney.
"There are close links between the clubs but my own view is that it's just other people's desperation to see him play for Kildare.
"Our trainer Trevor is a brother of Niall Carew but it's too easy to make assumptions."
Delaney is also unequivocal in her opposition to Johnston turning out for Coill Dubh in just over two weeks' time.
After last winning the Sean Carey Cup back in 2003, they are determined to add to their collection of 10 SHC titles.
"We're a successful hurling club and wouldn't want anything to reflect badly on that.
"We're taking this championship very seriously. It hasn't gone well for us in recent years. It's been nine years since we last won it.
"The inclusion of Seánie Johnston wouldn't be seen to help our case," she added.
Last week, St Kevin's vice-chairman John Noone also slammed the Johnston hurling rumours as "speculation".
"The first I saw of it was on Facebook when some bright spark came up with the idea."
However, he added: "The transfer has gone through for St Kevin's and everything else is up to Kildare — that's the way we'd be looking at it."
Johnston played his first game for St Kevin's in a Division 2 league fixture against Kilcock on Sunday when he kicked five points.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0614/sport/kildare-explore-seanie-loophole-197353.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0614/sport/kildare-explore-seanie-loophole-197353.html)
We'll have to wait until Saturday night to see whether they're true to their word and he makes no appearance in Clane. It's really ridiculous to have this hanging over the Kildare panel before a big match on Sunday.
The whole handling is farcical so I think it would be an appropriate ending.
I'm sure McGeeney is quite happy that again people are more interesting talking about SJ than his team, the less hype the better.
Kildare for Sam 2012.
Do kildare have many other dual players ?
The auld hurling story was brought to your attention a few weeks ago on this thread by myself. If it happens it will be a bad day for all concerned!
Is this the article that has generated all this talk and rumour today?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html)
If so, it looks like a crock of sh*te to me.
QuoteCoill Dubh face Eire Og Corrachoill in Clane at 4.0 on Saturday in the second of two preliminary-round fixtures down for decision at the venue.
And an appearance by the former Cavan footballer would clear him to play for Kieran McGeeney's side against Meath in their Leinster SFC semi-final clash in Croke Park the following day.
Tell us something we don't know. This was known weeks ago. See the posts on this thread from 24 May where the first mention of Coill Dubh v Éire Óg/Corra Choill was made. It just reads like lazy journalism from some hack who needed to fill a few column inches.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 28, 2012, 02:44:39 PM
The auld hurling story was brought to your attention a few weeks ago on this thread by myself.
It was alright Shamrock - get up the yard!
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=20986.1155
Quote from: Ard-Rí on June 28, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
Kildare for Sam 2012.
With Seanie on board they can capture Liam as well maybe in 2013.
Sorry Heffo :-X
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
Is this the article that has generated all this talk and rumour today?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html)
If so, it looks like a crock of sh*te to me.
I'm told again he'll feature Saturday.
Quote from: heffo on June 28, 2012, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
Is this the article that has generated all this talk and rumour today?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html)
If so, it looks like a crock of sh*te to me.
I'm told again he'll feature Saturday.
Tommy Callaghan of the Leinster Leader seems to think it will go ahead too. Crazy carry on. If he does feature it is completely taking the piss.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 09:03:00 PM
Quote from: heffo on June 28, 2012, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 02:52:14 PM
Is this the article that has generated all this talk and rumour today?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/hurling-runout-set-to-give-johnston-lilies-green-light-3152607.html)
If so, it looks like a crock of sh*te to me.
I'm told again he'll feature Saturday.
Tommy Callaghan of the Leinster Leader seems to think it will go ahead too. Crazy carry on. If he does feature it is completely taking the piss.
Agreed yes. But that situation wouldn't have arose if the CCCC hadn't taken the piss in the first place.
It would make a mockery of that hurling team if this goes ahead. How much lower are kildare willing to sink to facilitate this rotten transfer.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:28:06 PM
It would make a mockery of that hurling team if this goes ahead. How much lower are kildare willing to sink to facilitate this rotten transfer.
As low as the CCCC did when the transfer was delayed to coincide with St Kevins championship game. As a matter of interest why do you consider it low? Does it go against the rules of the GAA?
FFS the rule is only a few shorts months old and despite the so called expertise within the organisation they failed to see a possible loophole when implementing the rule. Who are the real fools in all of this?
I don't expect you to agree with me but I'm just throwing ot out there. Loopholes have been used before - ask Frank Murphy.
I consider it low because this hurling team have I presume been training for this game all year and I guess there are players fighting for their place and it seems they are going to gift a place on their team to a mercenary who hasn't put one minute into their cause, just to keep mcgeeney happy. That is a sad state of affairs if true and I'd be disgusted if it happened in cavan no matter who the player in question is.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
I consider it low because this hurling team have I presume been training for this game all year and I guess there are players fighting for their place and it seems they are going to gift a place on their team to a mercenary who hasn't put one minute into their cause, just to keep mcgeeney happy. That is a sad state of affairs if true and I'd be disgusted if it happened in cavan no matter who the player in question is.
I can't argue with your point. Its an awful pity its coming to this. But if this does happen I'm sure Coill Dubhs team and management have agreed.
On the plus side it's great to see such nationwide publicity surrounding the start of the hurling championship. I just can't see Seanie having enough of an impact to wrest the Sean Carey Cup away from Celbridge and deny them a famous four in a row. They looked in fine fettle against Ardclough in the league final in Clane last week.
Does he not just have be on the field of play for 2 or 3 minutes? Easy enough done I'd say.
Not if you are in a tight game and have 4 subs on already and someone gets injured with 10 minutes to go and you are looking at a lad who is trying to figure out which end of the hurl to hold.
It won't be a tight game in all likelihood, Seanie or no Seanie.
Éire Óg/Corrachoill wouldn't be near the level Coill Dubh are at. They only won one match out of seven in the league.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 28, 2012, 10:39:52 PM
It won't be a tight game in all likelihood, Seanie or no Seanie.
Éire Óg/Corrachoill wouldn't be near the level Coill Dubh are at. They only won one match out of seven in the league.
Aw there is no fun in that.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 27, 2012, 04:48:57 PM
Darragh Ó Sé's perspective, in today's Irish Times:
THE MIDDLE THIRD: Seánie Johnston has made a difficult personal decision to switch to Kildare – we should let him get on with it and focus on more important matters in the GAA
WHEN THE Seánie Johnston affair started away back in early spring, the one thing I thought for sure about it was it would be sorted out by the time the serious stuff started. But here we are – in the last week of June, no less – and it's still an issue.
Kildare play Meath on Sunday and, if the last few games are anything to go by, you can be sure Seánie will be there in Croke Park alongside the Kildare panel. In amongst the players he's been training with for months now but not allowed to take his place.
At this stage of the game, that's crazy stuff.
The first thing everyone needs to do when it comes to Johnston is to stop pretending this is the first time in the history of the GAA this has happened.
He isn't breaking any new ground here, he's not bending any rules that haven't been bent and broken before. To hear some people talking, you'd swear he was going to rip every root of the GAA out of the ground before the summer is out. This isn't a big deal – it's a player changing his club and county to play intercounty football. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
I feel he deserves a lot of sympathy. Or if you can't go as far as sympathy, then he at least deserves a bit of understanding.
Think about the decision he's made. Peel back all the layers of it and think what it must be like for him personally to up and leave his own place and his own people to go and play for someone else when he knows it won't be a popular move.
Whatever you think about his motives, you have to admit it's a very brave thing to do.
Wind the tape on to Christmas time five or six years down the road when all of this is over and he's back to being Seánie Johnston, a local teacher above in Cavan. You know and I know that when he walks into his local bar even then, there'll be fellas going quiet in the corner having just discussed him. You think Seánie doesn't know that as well? Of course he does, yet he has decided to be a man about it and plough on. That takes guts.
This is like a puppy – it's not just for Christmas, it's for life. In 10 years' time, 20 years' time, this is something that will be thrown back at him and maybe even at his family. So there's no way he'd be doing it lightly, there's no way he'd be doing it without having thought it through.
I don't know him but I do feel sorry for him. I think there's been a small bit of a witch-hunt against him.
I don't understand why he's taken such stick about it. I could maybe see it if this was him taking the easy way out but there's nothing easy in what he's put himself through. Look at all the hoops he's had to jump through, look at all the committees that have had their say on his situation. He even has a rule change at Congress nicknamed in his honour! No player wants that.
The easy way out would have been to shrug his shoulders away back before Easter and say: "Ah, this is too much hassle, we'll leave it so." But instead he did everything the committees asked of him in changing address and getting two clubs and two county boards to sign off on the move.
On top of all that, he's done everything Kieran McGeeney and the Kildare management have asked of him – and since they're one of the fittest teams in the country, we can take it that wasn't easy either.
Surely by now he has done enough to show he's serious for the rest of us in the GAA to say: "Fair enough, lad, away you go."
Everybody's situation is different. For me, I could never have done it but then that's okay for me to say because the situation never arose.
I moved to Tralee a good number of years ago and there was an hour's driving over and back to the club but it never occurred to me to go looking for a change. I'm not holding myself up as some sort of paragon of virtue, just pointing out it was never an option. I would never have left An Ghaeltacht to go to a club in Tralee and nobody would ever have thought to bring it up with me.
Even now, I'd love to be heading back there a couple of times a week for training and for games but my time is done. Mick O'Dwyer used to be gentle with men who'd put on a few pounds over the winter by saying, "I see you're getting strong anyway . . ."
Well, my strength is my weakness at this stage and the tight jerseys that are in vogue now have finished me off altogether. But I still go back there to watch matches and I always will.
Isn't that the case with 99 per cent of players in the GAA? And won't that always be the case? Fellas move away from home, they leave for work or women or whatever but the draw of home almost always brings them back.
If they want to leave to play intercounty football or hurling, then that shouldn't be a big deal. It will only apply in a tiny number of cases because the vast, vast majority of players will want to play with the people they grew up with and the county they feel is home.
I had a conversation about this one night with P Sé. "Just out of interest," I said. "Would you have ever moved and gone somewhere else to play?"
"Ah no," he said. "I found it hard enough to be told I was useless by my own fellas. I would never have handled it from outsiders!"
We can sometimes be too paranoid about what the GAA can and can't offer. We should be more confident about it and instead of focusing on the tiny minority of cases where fellas move, we should leave them off and let them enjoy the experience.
This won't open the floodgates, purely because the tradition is so strong and the pull of the place you grew up doesn't leave most people.
It's like when people go mad worrying about losing young fellas to rugby or soccer or Aussie Rules. When I hear people calling it a crisis, I just think we should stand up for ourselves a bit more and have a bit more faith in what we have to offer. I remember when I was a teenager coming through and playing for the club, I had the novelty of playing against Currow and marking Mick Galwey, with him just back from a Lions tour.
Even these days, if Currow are having a fund-raiser and they ask Mick down to help out, he's the first man through the door. The GAA lost him to rugby along the way but we never really lost him at all.
Long after Seánie Johnston has finished playing, long after the rest of us have forgotten about the whole saga, the GAA will still thrive and most players will still tog out in the same dressingrooms they grew up in.
With all the attention his case has got and all the predictions about the floodgates opening if he ends up a Kildare player, you'd think there must be hundreds of applications going to the GAA every year from fellas in the same situation as him. There aren't.
People do move clubs all the time and they go through far less hassle than Seánie has. I was in Croke Park a couple of weeks ago and I ran into Colm Parkinson.
It was soon after he was on The Sunday Game that night when they'd been talking about the Seánie Johnston case.
I thought he was great on the show and they should have him on a lot more often because he's at least some way honest about what he sees on the pitch and he's not afraid of offending people. But when it came to what he was saying about Seánie, I was killed laughing.
"You're some boy to be giving out," I said. "Of all people. You left your own club and went to play for one in Dublin, when Portlaoise is less than an hour down the road. And you're cribbing about Seánie Johnston going and hour and a half down the country? Give a guy a break."
I know Colm was living and working in Dublin at the time and I wasn't saying he was breaking any rules or anything like that. But surely a bit of sympathy for Johnston's situation wasn't too much to ask for?
Let's be honest about this. If Johnston had moved to Longford or Leitrim, there wouldn't be one word said about it. It might have made the papers for a week or two in the winter and nobody would have passed any remarks. Just like nobody minded too much when Austin O'Malley and Thomas Walsh went to Wicklow or when Billy Joe Padden went to Armagh. But because he moved to Kildare, people are up in arms.
If Johnston had looked to transfer to Kildare five years ago, it wouldn't have been a big deal either. But the fact Kildare are very close to making a breakthrough has given them a bigger profile and it has put some noses out of joint. He's been made trudge down every last avenue in search of this thing, just to make an example out of him.
People forget there's a person involved here trying to live his life.
You can bang on about protecting the integrity of the GAA all you like but at the heart of this is a very good footballer who has had to make big changes in his living arrangements and commuting habits just to try to play for an intercounty team.
He didn't dream this up in the back of a taxi on the way home from a disco – he has done everything that's been asked of him. For him to then take flak from all quarters as if he was a threat to the GAA is way over the top. We have loads of things to worry about in the GAA these days. Seánie Johnston shouldn't be one of them. I wish him well.
I usually like what Darragh has to say but I wouldn't agree with him on this at all - the whole point of a lot of the objections are that he's moving to a county which is considered a "contender". If he had moved to a weaker county (and considering the low ebb of Cavan at the minute it mightn't be that easy to find one!!) then there would obviously no motive for him other than football.
If anything he'll start the game and be taken off after a few minutes.
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 28, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
Does he not just have be on the field of play for 2 or 3 minutes? Easy enough done I'd say.
I'm sure that he could be subbed at first break in play or come on with 30 seconds to go.
Quote from: nrico2006 on June 29, 2012, 08:24:14 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on June 28, 2012, 10:16:33 PM
Does he not just have be on the field of play for 2 or 3 minutes? Easy enough done I'd say.
I'm sure that he could be subbed at first break in play or come on with 30 seconds to go.
Hope the Ref is in on it and doesn't blow up early. ;D
Quote from: mup on June 29, 2012, 08:13:06 AM
If anything he'll start the game and be taken off after a few minutes.
I think the same.
I can't see him not starting given the amount of time and effort and I'd say money as well to get him so close to the county panel. His Kildare buddies won't let a mere technicality stand in the way.
Starting him and then whipping him off before he gets injured is the only logical way to meet the requirements.
Sure Seanie probably probably won't be even there . He will be number 88 in the programme , some lad of similar build to Seanie who has been practising his cavan accent the past 2/3 weeks will be sitting on the bench wearing a helmet for the whole game and with 2 minutes to go will be brought on, problem solved. Meanwhile the real seanie is training away with Footballers.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 29, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
Sure Seanie probably probably won't be even there . He will be number 88 in the programme , some lad of similar build to Seanie who has been practising his cavan accent the past 2/3 weeks will be sitting on the bench wearing a helmet for the whole game and with 2 minutes to go will be brought on, problem solved. Meanwhile the real seanie is training away with Footballers.
Now that is a mouthfull.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
I consider it low because this hurling team have I presume been training for this game all year and I guess there are players fighting for their place and it seems they are going to gift a place on their team to a mercenary who hasn't put one minute into their cause, just to keep mcgeeney happy. That is a sad state of affairs if true and I'd be disgusted if it happened in cavan no matter who the player in question is.
Rory Gallagher. Crosserlough. 2008?
Quote from: boojangles on June 29, 2012, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
I consider it low because this hurling team have I presume been training for this game all year and I guess there are players fighting for their place and it seems they are going to gift a place on their team to a mercenary who hasn't put one minute into their cause, just to keep mcgeeney happy. That is a sad state of affairs if true and I'd be disgusted if it happened in cavan no matter who the player in question is.
Rory Gallagher. Crosserlough. 2008?
Yes - Didn't like that either but there were some differences to what we are talking about at the moment - i.e. parachuting a player into hurling match so that he qualifies to play for his new county in football. At the end of the day I couldn't give a shit what Sean Johnson or Kildare or McGeeney does, it has no effect on Cavan. As far as I am concerned SJ is not even a Cavan man anymore. However, making a general comment this is bad form towards this hurling clubs players if this is true. Booj - would you like some bucko being dropped into a Drumalee team for a few minutes in your opening championship game and then to be never seen again as he goes off playing hurling? I doubt you or your team mates would be too impressed.
I doubt you give a hoot about any lad missing a few minutes of a club hurling game in Kildare myles :)
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
At the end of the day I couldn't give a shit what Sean Johnson or Kildare or McGeeney does
You clearly could.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 29, 2012, 01:00:14 PM
Quote from: boojangles on June 29, 2012, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
I consider it low because this hurling team have I presume been training for this game all year and I guess there are players fighting for their place and it seems they are going to gift a place on their team to a mercenary who hasn't put one minute into their cause, just to keep mcgeeney happy. That is a sad state of affairs if true and I'd be disgusted if it happened in cavan no matter who the player in question is.
Rory Gallagher. Crosserlough. 2008?
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Yes - Didn't like that either but there were some differences to what we are talking about at the moment - i.e. parachuting a player into hurling match so that he qualifies to play for his new county in football. At the end of the day I couldn't give a shit what Sean Johnson or Kildare or McGeeney does, it has no effect on Cavan. As far as I am concerned SJ is not even a Cavan man anymore. However, making a general comment this is bad form towards this hurling clubs players if this is true. Booj - would you like some bucko being dropped into a Drumalee team for a few minutes in your opening championship game and then to be never seen again as he goes off playing hurling? I doubt you or your team mates would be too impressed.
Cavan - who don't have a senior Hurling team.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on June 29, 2012, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 28, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
At the end of the day I couldn't give a shit what Sean Johnson or Kildare or McGeeney does
You clearly could.
Eh no I don't. That is as long as he never attempts to play for cavan again.
Expect a bumper crowd at that hurling game tomorrow. RTE will have a sideline reporter. Hope Kildare Hulring makes a packet from the game.
Val Andrews on newstalk at 2pm till 3pm - Ewan MacKenna and Ger Gilroy, two Kildare men will sure to ask him about SJ as seemingly SJ will play in the hurling championship today.
Dinny SJ WILL start today for Coill Dubh. Nothing more certain.
A player as fit as Seanie Johnston would be wasted at corner forward on a club hurling team. He would be much better playing at midfield or in the half forward line.
G Myles who are you to say Seanie Johnston ain't a cavan man at heart any more, he played county football for cavan for a few years, alot more than i think you did, the fact he playing in kildare now make him any less of a cavan man that you, hes ended up at Kildare, he ain't the first man to transfer about, Rory Gallagher done the rounds as has plenty of others, Kildare in with a serious shout this year and i think this has annoyed people more as he could make a difference!!I guy who played for my local team played Derry minor one year, Tyrone U-21 the following year after transferring down the road, thought he was wrong but didn't stop me talking to him,
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
G Myles who are you to say Seanie Johnston ain't a cavan man at heart any more, he played county football for cavan for a few years, alot more than i think you did, the fact he playing in kildare now make him any less of a cavan man that you, hes ended up at Kildare, he ain't the first man to transfer about, Rory Gallagher done the rounds as has plenty of others, Kildare in with a serious shout this year and i think this has annoyed people more as he could make a difference!!I guy who played for my local team played Derry minor one year, Tyrone U-21 the following year after transferring down the road, thought he was wrong but didn't stop me talking to him,
+1
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
G Myles who are you to say Seanie Johnston ain't a cavan man at heart any more, he played county football for cavan for a few years, alot more than i think you did, the fact he playing in kildare now make him any less of a cavan man that you, hes ended up at Kildare, he ain't the first man to transfer about, Rory Gallagher done the rounds as has plenty of others, Kildare in with a serious shout this year and i think this has annoyed people more as he could make a difference!!I guy who played for my local team played Derry minor one year, Tyrone U-21 the following year after transferring down the road, thought he was wrong but didn't stop me talking to him,
In my opinion mercenary traitors like sj leave their cavan passport at the county borders when move. If you disagree and if Steven gerrard no 8 disagree fair enough.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 30, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
G Myles who are you to say Seanie Johnston ain't a cavan man at heart any more, he played county football for cavan for a few years, alot more than i think you did, the fact he playing in kildare now make him any less of a cavan man that you, hes ended up at Kildare, he ain't the first man to transfer about, Rory Gallagher done the rounds as has plenty of others, Kildare in with a serious shout this year and i think this has annoyed people more as he could make a difference!!I guy who played for my local team played Derry minor one year, Tyrone U-21 the following year after transferring down the road, thought he was wrong but didn't stop me talking to him,
Eh...if you piss off and desert your county like Johnston did at the first hint of not getting your way in order to try and play for an All-Ireland contending county you have no connection to whatsoever, yes it certainly
does make you less of a Cavan man. A lot less.
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seanie's at the match
https://twitter.com/EamonnDonohoe/status/219069723864858624
and togged out.
https://twitter.com/EamonnDonohoe/status/219079096624361472/photo/1
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Well there you have it. A county split down the middle, any neutral goodwill towards us totally eroded, the reputation of Kildare GAA badly damaged, the county's hurling championship demeaned and a poor signal sent out to all the young footballers in the county. To all who have facilitated this transfer, I hope it's worth it.
Fair play DH. On the ball as usual.
Drama much DH? ::)
This is as f**king hilarious as it is brilliant, the legislators in the gaa really are gobshites, and cute strokes like this are exactly what they deserve.
starts corner forward,now the big question is will he start against meath tomorrow?
I assume this hurling club are being looked after in some way for allowing themselves to be whored like this?
Brilliant!
Not going to do us any favours but a brilliant farcical ending to a farcical situation.
Sad and farcical end to the transfer saga. Why does something tell me that this is going to backfire on Kildare. :( :( :(
He only lasted 45 seconds I hope he wasn't injured.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 30, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
He only lasted 45 seconds I hope he wasn't injured.
;D
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 30, 2012, 04:29:20 PM
He only lasted 45 seconds I hope he wasn't injured.
Kildare hurling must be tough if he had to go off that soon in the game.!!
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear ...
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Once is enough i a thread to see that, he look like he is going on a egg and spoon race.
Quote from: heffo on May 24, 2012, 09:43:45 AM
I'm told he's going to play hurling for someone in Kildare and will thus be eligible
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Coill Dubh 0-9 Eire Og 1-5 h/t
Looks like they could be strapping Seanie up and throwing him back on..
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 30, 2012, 04:22:59 PM
I assume this hurling club are being looked after in some way for allowing themselves to be whored like this?
The word "prostituted" is entirely appropriate to what Coill Dubh have done to themselves here.
+ 1
we deserve evry bit of bad luck we get.
hurling chairman should resign.
the co board and mgmt can't say they have notthing to do with this farce now!
i'm actually sickened by all this shite.
Any truth in rumour he scored a point before being subbed off?
I may actually have to cheer for meath against kildare after this complete farce.
For a mayo man, that's a grave situation!
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 30, 2012, 05:31:45 PM
we deserve evry bit of bad luck we get.
hurling chairman should resign.
the co board and mgmt can't say they have notthing to do with this farce now!
i'm actually sickened by all this shite.
+1
A sad day for Kildare GAA. The really galling thing about it is that we don't need the guy. Plenty of good young forwards around desperate for a chance.
so now to make the kildare team all ya need to do is build a rep with a 'weaker' county and get straight into the set-up.
the likes of podge fogarty is an idiot playing for U16, minors and 21s while appearing in county finals for his club.
what if next year geezer is gone (hear its likely) and seanie is doin well. what if he is dropped. wait and see he'll be playin club football in dublin in no time and not playing for cavan or kildare.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 30, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
I may actually have to cheer for meath against kildare after this complete farce.
For a mayo man, that's a grave situation!
Ah now calm down, you'd never resort to that? :P
The gaa though they were pulling a fast one changing rules so he couldn't with Kildare this year but this will put the smile on the other side of there face.classic
they did go into a grey area but so much BS surrounding this it's a joke. no one was a winner in this and the ke hurling chairman should stand down in protests if he had a pair. that just made a mockery of the county's top level hurling.
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Is he eligible to play tomorrow? What about the 13 day rule or does that only apply to the same code?
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 30, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
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Well there you have it. A county split down the middle, any neutral goodwill towards us totally eroded, the reputation of Kildare GAA badly damaged, the county's hurling championship demeaned and a poor signal sent out to all the young footballers in the county. To all who have facilitated this transfer, I hope it's worth it.
Seriously embarrassing stuff for Kildare. Clearly no-one in Kildare has the balls to stand up to McGeeney.
Financial issue hasn't gone away and will be rearing it's head soon.
Best of luck to Kildare + Seanie tomorrow. I've no more to say on the issue. I hope it will be worth it.
I hope Seanie 'Christy Ring' Johnson gets a good auld fashioned Meath welcome if he comes on tomorrow.
lads the kildare 'success' has come at such a high cost. financially we are fooked and now morally i feel we are bankrupt.
as was said co board are too scared to come at geezer, the last chair left as he wasnt able to get any leeway.
as a kildare man i can honestly say im really pissed off all day, genuinely in a bad mood.
Inter-county GAA in my book is a representative scenario similar to international soccer. While I don't think that representing one county should bar you for life from ever representing another county, I certainly think that an "idle period" of, say two full seasons should be required. This would mean that for somebody like Johnston who last played for their native county in 2011, the earliest they would be able to play for their new county would be January 2014.
It would certainly put a stop to oppurtunist, gloryhunting inter-county transfers like Johnston's.
What's Seanie going to do when McGeeney/Davis up and leave Kildare (most likely) at the end of this year???
Pick another up and coming county to transfer to?
Quote from: hardstation on June 30, 2012, 09:05:01 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on June 30, 2012, 09:01:36 PM
What's Seanie going to do when McGeeney/Davis up and leave Kildare (most likely) at the end of this year???
Pick another up and coming county to transfer to?
Why wouldn't he continue with Kildare?
I said this on this thread a while ago. It is very possible that things won't work out for kildare and the fallout will be mcgeeney leaving, a post mortum on the big debt they've run up and now how they made a mockery of hurling by parachuting in a player. Will kildare want a bit of sj if this were to transpire, doubt it.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 30, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
I may actually have to cheer for meath against kildare after this complete farce.
For a mayo man, that's a grave situation!
You're not the only one. Come on the Royals. Hopefully we may see a resurgence of the Meath of the 1980s, 1990s for tomorrow anyway.
According to Rte news he was jeered by the crowd when taken off.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on June 30, 2012, 09:28:15 PM
According to Rte news he was jeered by the crowd when taken off.
Well after his performance today is it any wonder??
I hope to God he goes off on one when he does play. In the end if Kildare win even a Leinster with help from Johnston all history will eventually record is Kildare 2012 champions. I'm glad the whole transfer debacle is completely over now and the focus can at least be on what he does on the field.
Ah, sure it will give the Red Tops something to write about for the next week!
I suppose the way the GAA has gone training, tactics, Statistics, Psychologists, dietitions, etc. There is a get ahead, win at all costs (and boy is it costing) evolution. Why should we be surprised? It's just another factor to get ahead!
Wonder what club the programme will have him as. I guess officially he is Coill Dubh Hurling at the stage.
I see McGeeney has come out and said if Seanie wants to make the Kildare team he'll have to give up the hurling and focus on the football..
Quote from: Tubberman on June 30, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
I may actually have to cheer for meath against kildare after this complete farce.
+1 Farcical, this will blow up in Kildare's face yet, feel for the decent Kildare supporters.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 30, 2012, 05:37:00 PM
I may actually have to cheer for meath against kildare after this complete farce.
For a mayo man, that's a grave situation!
Could always be worse. You could be from Cavan and having to cheer for Meath.
Well for the first time in my life I'll be cheering for Meath and I would love nothing better than Kildare to lose consistently until they actually go back to the ethos of the GAA....
Youse bandwaggoning, glory hunting new Meath supporters can f*** the hell off.
Sure didn't Canavan do the same in the late 80s for Killyclogher hurling team to make him eligible for Tyrone. No one knows where Peter came from. There's speculation that he was left behind after Duffy's circus. Others believe he's a Brazilian soap star.
Quote from: Hardy on July 01, 2012, 06:05:58 AM
Youse bandwaggoning, glory hunting new Meath supporters can f*** the hell off.
I just want you to win so Kildare get screwed and we then give you a hiding in the final....
Wherever the GAA is going it is being steered there by Croke Park.
This calamitous scenario was created by some half wit on Jones' road who thought he could gerrymander the rules to circumvent the official guide.
I could never support Meath
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 30, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
I see McGeeney has come out and said if Seanie wants to make the Kildare team he'll have to give up the hurling and focus on the football..
Very Good :)
Quote from: rrhf on July 01, 2012, 08:46:50 AM
I could never support Meath
I'm lifting my ban on supporting meath today, after which I'm going to power wash myself and then back to normal on Monday.
Hope the rest of the world is anti Kildare. It was something else last year. I love every bit of this. Amazing how people can be influenced by the media. Work away people because we dont care.
Supporting Meath is like joining the Mob. You can't just resign when you decide you're finished with it.
Quote from: mup on July 01, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Hope the rest of the world is anti Kildare. It was something else last year. I love every bit of this. Amazing how people can be influenced by the media. Work away people because we dont care.
I'm sure the rest of the world are foaming at the mouth about kildare. As we speak their are protest marches in outer Mongolia. ::)
Quote from: mup on July 01, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Hope the rest of the world is anti Kildare. It was something else last year. I love every bit of this. Amazing how people can be influenced by the media. Work away people because we dont care.
I hope Kildare hammer Meath out the gate
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on June 30, 2012, 09:01:36 PM
What's Seanie going to do when McGeeney/Davis up and leave Kildare (most likely) at the end of this year???
Pick another up and coming county to transfer to?
He's gonna hurl for Antrim...after yesterday he'll probably get a game
Quote from: mup on July 01, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Hope the rest of the world is anti Kildare. It was something else last year. I love every bit of this. Amazing how people can be influenced by the media. Work away people because we dont care.
Whatsup mup?? You seem in horrid bad form at the moment.
Of course the media can influence people. That's what they are there for, isn't it?
I'd say most media heads would do a 1800 turn if they felt there would be more in it for them to do so.
I think much of the bad press Kildare got last year is down to fears of professionalism creeping into the setup there. They has been widely perceived as willing to buy success.
That may have been open to debate up until the present but I don't think there can be any doubt right now. McGeeney and his allies were always going to get their man if both he and Seanie wanted this badly enough. The slipshod nature of the regulations ensured this.
I'm fairly sure that they will get their wish at some stage of the proceedings today but bringing him on may backfire on the Lilywhites as the hype generated is likely to knock them off their stride. Only time will tell but my fifty cent is going on Meath today because of the Seanie factor.
Feck it, I'm behind Meath for the present game at any rate. While Seanie may have had good reason to give Andrew the two fingers, the way he went about getting himself a flour bag doesn't appeal to me.
C'mon, the Royals!!
(Oh f**k, there's goes my breakfast. ;D)
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 01, 2012, 08:04:54 AM
Wherever the GAA is going it is being steered there by Croke Park.
This calamitous scenario was created by some half wit on Jones' road who thought he could gerrymander the rules to circumvent the official guide.
That's nonsense in my view.
The rules were changed for good reason. The ethos of the GAA was clearly being undermined by this transfer. The rules around inter county transfers are designed to allow that if someone moves county for work or personal reasons, they may have the option to switch county allegiance. However, where somebody who lives and works in their home county, to switch address purely for the purposes of playing for a different county, that's a completely different scenario, clearly against the ethos, and anyone who can't see that is an idiot (stand up Darragh O'Shea).
But ethos is very hard to rule on, as it relies on people being honest. So the GAA were absolutely 100% correct to tighten up the rules. Timing wasn't great, as it should have been done after the Walsh/Wicklow/Carlow affair, but better late than never, and they probably didn't go far enough in that they should have made it code specific - although I guess they underestimated how far down the ethos chain Kildare were prepared to plummet.
The one minute hurling farce is a huge embarrassment for Kildare GAA and thus the whole GAA. Be interesting to see how this plays in the media. It's a huge potential stick for the anti-GAA brigade to hit us with, but the media have been slow on this whole story, and only for the GAA themselves making an issue of the initial lies re the address, this would not have been a media story at all, in general it seems the media would love to have an inter county transfer market
The media have and continue to be complicit in anything that seeks to undermine the amateur ethos of the GAA. Full time GAA correspondents see it as in their best interests to support the evolution to a full time professionalism.
Quote from: Hound on July 01, 2012, 01:05:17 PM
It's a huge potential stick for the anti-GAA brigade to hit us with, but the media have been slow on this whole story, and only for the GAA themselves making an issue of the initial lies re the address, this would not have been a media story at all, in general it seems the media would love to have an inter county transfer market
You've managed to contradict yourself completely in one sentence, quite an achievement
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2012, 12:56:54 PM
Of course the media can influence people. That's what they are there for, isn't it?
Really??!!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2012, 12:56:54 PM
Quote from: mup on July 01, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Hope the rest of the world is anti Kildare. It was something else last year. I love every bit of this. Amazing how people can be influenced by the media. Work away people because we dont care.
Whatsup mup?? You seem in horrid bad form at the moment.
Of course the media can influence people. That's what they are there for, isn't it?
I'd say most media heads would do a 1800 turn if they felt there would be more in it for them to do so.
thats a f**king serious turn! Though i would pay to see the the head of the likes of Roy Curtis do a 1800 turn
I'd have to say that I've had it with this team, not just for the recent cheating but for all the things they've been up to over the years. They are the absolute epitome of what is wrong with the GAA, cheaters, gym monkeys and thugs. Anyone who can support them is an absolute crook.
But enough about Meath, looking forward to seeing Kildare play.
Whelan and brolly not holding back on the Sunday game!
Quote from: ludermor on July 01, 2012, 01:23:07 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 01, 2012, 12:56:54 PM
Quote from: mup on July 01, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Hope the rest of the world is anti Kildare. It was something else last year. I love every bit of this. Amazing how people can be influenced by the media. Work away people because we dont care.
Whatsup mup?? You seem in horrid bad form at the moment.
Of course the media can influence people. That's what they are there for, isn't it?
I'd say most media heads would do a 1800 turn if they felt there would be more in it for them to do so.
thats a f**king serious turn! Though i would pay to see the the head of the likes of Roy Curtis do a 1800 turn
Arra, jus checking to see if anyone bothers to read the shite I write! ;D
(I find it hard goin' at times myself.)
@ryanjfeeney: Cavan fans bring the roof down in Brewster when Meath vs Kildare result was announced #GAA #gaa2012 wonder why?
Sounds like the news has given Cavan a serious boost in Enniskillen!
Ho ho ho.
Seanie got a big cheer in Brewster today.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 01, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
Ho ho ho.
Seanie got a big cheer in Brewster today.
couldn't believe the result being announced in Brewster park today as Cavan were second best until the players heard and afterwards to a man they were like men possessed fair play to them
Quote from: trasna man on July 01, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 01, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
Ho ho ho.
Seanie got a big cheer in Brewster today.
couldn't believe the result being announced in Brewster park today as Cavan were second best until the players heard and afterwards to a man they were like men possessed fair play to them
Where ye flag waving today Trasna Man at the game?are you a Seanie backer or a Seanie giver Trasna?
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Quote from: trasna man on July 01, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 01, 2012, 05:25:09 PM
Ho ho ho.
Seanie got a big cheer in Brewster today.
couldn't believe the result being announced in Brewster park today as Cavan were second best until the players heard and afterwards to a man they were like men possessed fair play to them
Where ye flag waving today Trasna Man at the game?are you a Seanie backer or a Seanie giver Trasna?
aye flag waving good sporting ole game some crack if cavan get kildare jesus would love to see it
Ill book the Doire Trasna mini-bus and me and ye will make a weekend of it, if the draw turns out to place Kildare and Cavan. That a deal?
Quote from: theticklemister on July 01, 2012, 09:26:43 PM
Ill book the Doire Trasna mini-bus and me and ye will make a weekend of it, if the draw turns out to place Kildare and Cavan. That a deal?
i will speak to paddy to get the bus sorted
The situation is quite farcical, but the kildare county board exploited a loophole in the rules, kinda in a way the transfer was delayed on purpose until the Kildare 1st round championship was played by croke park, and the committee was happy they pulled a fast one delaying Johnston playing to next year! but alias they got round it and nobody coming out of this smelling like roses, a quick transfer although wrong would have been best all round as he would have got it sooner or later once residency was proven
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 01, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
The situation is quite farcical, but the kildare county board exploited a loophole in the rules, kinda in a way the transfer was delayed on purpose until the Kildare 1st round championship was played by croke park, and the committee was happy they pulled a fast one delaying Johnston playing to next year! but alias they got round it and nobody coming out of this smelling like roses, a quick transfer although wrong would have been best all round as he would have got it sooner or later once residency was proven
i don't agree if he was working in kildare i would understand the request but he is a teacher in cavan town while every player would love an AI medal i wouldn't sellout my county for one
I see that Seanie Johnson boy dropping a few sliothars during the warm up for the hurling game.............he'll never make it as a hurler if he keeps that up!
Trasna man.........ye are a joy to behold there when ye are in full swing. A fantastic bit of flag waving altogether. Ye deserve to get to Croke Park after todays performance. Incedentally Tomas O Connors point ( when he cleary was still in the square when the ball arrived) was giving ok by 1. The ref mick collins 2. The two umpires and 3.martin carney. Carney has replays and everything and still didn't know the rules. Even sean cavanagh said the other week that he didn't know that ye were not allowed in the square from a dead ball.
It wouldn't happen in yer watch I tell ye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you think he will make an appearance for Kildare in the game v Cavan or would that be rubbing salt in the wound?
Would a few of the Cavan backs look to open a few new wounds?
all aboard the breffni bus ;D
Collect me at Pairc Brid Trasna man! Get the hotel booked!!!
Cavan, cavan, cavan!!!!!!
'Cavan v Kildare!! The revenge of the the common gael for the minute and a half hurling cameo' Jarlath Burns
'Cavan v Kildare!! The revenge of the the common gael for the minute and a half hurling cameo' Jarlath Burns
If Burns said this, i sincerely hope he never makes GAA President. Hope that clown never makes GAA President. Populist trash.
Cavan county board have just announced that 10% of all proceeds from ticket receipts will be donated to Seanie's extraordinary diesel bill due to his very long commute.
Lads lost in all of this is the plight of Cavan Gaels who have lost a player, who obviously put his own ego before his Club, the very ethos of the GAA. Comparisons with Peter Canavan can't be made, Peter needed to be a member of a Club to represent Tyrone, as he was obviously wishing to return to his own Club it was easier to become a member of a Hurling Club as the rules allow for. The whole Seanie Johnson thing stinks to high heavan and the only mistake the GAA have made in my opinion is in allowing the transfer. The Kildare CB, McGeeney, Kildare hurling and the two Kildare Clubs involved have absolutely no respect for the GAA, its ethos nor it's traditions. Glad to see Meath put them out. McGeeney for Armagh...I hope not. I had great admiration for him as a player, but if he is behind this fiasco he could struggle for a job when the envitable happens.
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 02, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Lads lost in all of this is the plight of Cavan Gaels who have lost a player, who obviously put his own ego before his Club, the very ethos of the GAA. Comparisons with Peter Canavan can't be made, Peter needed to be a member of a Club to represent Tyrone, as he was obviously wishing to return to his own Club it was easier to become a member of a Hurling Club as the rules allow for. The whole Seanie Johnson thing stinks to high heavan and the only mistake the GAA have made in my opinion is in allowing the transfer. The Kildare CB, McGeeney, Kildare hurling and the two Kildare Clubs involved have absolutely no respect for the GAA, its ethos nor it's traditions. Glad to see Meath put them out. McGeeney for Armagh...I hope not. I had great admiration for him as a player, but if he is behind this fiasco he could struggle for a job when the envitable happens.
How in the name of god have Kildare hurling got anything to do with this? It was Coill Dubh and Johnston who made a complete mockery of our hurling championship. Have a look at any Kildare hurlers twitter accounts and you'll see how they feel about this. I played hurling in Kildare for many years and got great enjoyment out of it. To see the way that it was demeaned on Saturday was one of the main reasons that I can't say I was overly bothered to see the footballers lose yesterday.
Celbridge drew with Confey in an excellent game prior to Johnston's 45 second cameo yet there was five times the crowd out on the side pitch in Clane watching Coill Dubh warming up than watching the fine match on the main pitch. That replay is on in Leixlip tomorrow night but something tells me it won't attract the same media circus that the double header on Saturday did. ::)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 02, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 02, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Lads lost in all of this is the plight of Cavan Gaels who have lost a player, who obviously put his own ego before his Club, the very ethos of the GAA. Comparisons with Peter Canavan can't be made, Peter needed to be a member of a Club to represent Tyrone, as he was obviously wishing to return to his own Club it was easier to become a member of a Hurling Club as the rules allow for. The whole Seanie Johnson thing stinks to high heavan and the only mistake the GAA have made in my opinion is in allowing the transfer. The Kildare CB, McGeeney, Kildare hurling and the two Kildare Clubs involved have absolutely no respect for the GAA, its ethos nor it's traditions. Glad to see Meath put them out. McGeeney for Armagh...I hope not. I had great admiration for him as a player, but if he is behind this fiasco he could struggle for a job when the envitable happens.
How in the name of god have Kildare hurling got anything to do with this? It was Coill Dubh and Johnston who made a complete mockery of our hurling championship. Have a look at any Kildare hurlers twitter accounts and you'll see how they feel about this. I played hurling in Kildare for many years and got great enjoyment out of it. To see the way that it was demeaned on Saturday was one of the main reasons that I can't say I was overly bothered to see the footballers lose yesterday.
Celbridge drew with Confey in an excellent game prior to Johnston's 45 second cameo yet there was five times the crowd out on the side pitch in Clane watching Coill Dubh warming up than watching the fine match on the main pitch. That replay is on in Leixlip tomorrow night but something tells me it won't attract the same media circus that the double header on Saturday did. ::)
Point taken, but surely the Hurling Board would have been involved?
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 02, 2012, 12:20:06 PM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 02, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 02, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Lads lost in all of this is the plight of Cavan Gaels who have lost a player, who obviously put his own ego before his Club, the very ethos of the GAA. Comparisons with Peter Canavan can't be made, Peter needed to be a member of a Club to represent Tyrone, as he was obviously wishing to return to his own Club it was easier to become a member of a Hurling Club as the rules allow for. The whole Seanie Johnson thing stinks to high heavan and the only mistake the GAA have made in my opinion is in allowing the transfer. The Kildare CB, McGeeney, Kildare hurling and the two Kildare Clubs involved have absolutely no respect for the GAA, its ethos nor it's traditions. Glad to see Meath put them out. McGeeney for Armagh...I hope not. I had great admiration for him as a player, but if he is behind this fiasco he could struggle for a job when the envitable happens.
How in the name of god have Kildare hurling got anything to do with this? It was Coill Dubh and Johnston who made a complete mockery of our hurling championship. Have a look at any Kildare hurlers twitter accounts and you'll see how they feel about this. I played hurling in Kildare for many years and got great enjoyment out of it. To see the way that it was demeaned on Saturday was one of the main reasons that I can't say I was overly bothered to see the footballers lose yesterday.
Celbridge drew with Confey in an excellent game prior to Johnston's 45 second cameo yet there was five times the crowd out on the side pitch in Clane watching Coill Dubh warming up than watching the fine match on the main pitch. That replay is on in Leixlip tomorrow night but something tells me it won't attract the same media circus that the double header on Saturday did. ::)
Point taken, but surely the Hurling Board would have been involved?
I don't know how they could have been involved in any way. Johnston was legitimately registered with Coill Dubh so it was purely a matter for those two parties.
what sort of eejit manages Coill Dubh hurlers and let that happen? What did the players think?
Surely there would have been some sort of objection from within the hurlers in the club to be used in such a manner.
did the hoor even touch leather?
(he may have touched cloth ;) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfGHEpRpnQM
Few clips of him strutting his stuff!
Yeah hardstation I saw that on TSG game also. All the players having a laugh. The club has totally neglected everything that is good in the GAA. I'm sure the club committee had a meeting in prior to them being asked to play Johnson in game, am I corrected? Are they all a load of spineless hoors down there that no one in that committee stood up and challenged this???? Or was it 'pushed' through?
Quote from: johnneycool on July 02, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
what sort of eejit manages Coill Dubh hurlers and let that happen? What did the players think?
Surely there would have been some sort of objection from within the hurlers in the club to be used in such a manner.
did the hoor even touch leather?
(he may have touched cloth ;) )
The Coill Dubh manager is a brother of one of the Kildare selectors.
from Paddy Power:
Seanie Johnston Specials
Kildare v Cavan
2/1 To Start The Match
Evens To come on as a sub
15/2 1st Goalscorer
10/1 To sit with the Cavan management and players during the match
16/1 To kiss the Kildare Badge
20/1 To be Red Carded
80/1 To outscore Cavan
500/1 To wear a hurling helmet during the match
2012 Specials
7/1 To be Kildare's Top Championship scorer
16/1 To win an All Star
100/1 To win footballer of the year
10,000/1 To win hurler of the year
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 02, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on July 02, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
what sort of eejit manages Coill Dubh hurlers and let that happen? What did the players think?
Surely there would have been some sort of objection from within the hurlers in the club to be used in such a manner.
did the hoor even touch leather?
(he may have touched cloth ;) )
The Coill Dubh manager is a brother of one of the Kildare selectors.
Football selector?
The best part of the SG Live sequence was when Joe said that if you needed someone to score 2-10 against Antrim in a friendly then Sean was your man!
Quote from: Applesisapples on July 02, 2012, 02:01:02 PM
The best part of the SG Live sequence was when Joe said that if you needed someone to score 2-10 against Antrim in a friendly then Sean was your man!
Thought that was petty and out of line myself...
So the championship nicely heating up now
Quote from: hardstation on July 02, 2012, 02:24:42 PM
Wouldn't score 2-10 against us if we played every week from now to Christmas.
8 Points wasn't a bad return in this game . . .
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Quote from: screenexile on July 02, 2012, 02:29:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 02, 2012, 02:24:42 PM
Wouldn't score 2-10 against us if we played every week from now to Christmas.
8 Points wasn't a bad return in this game . . .
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2008/0516/231930-antrim_cavan/
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2009/0627/251126-antrim_cavan/
Two from play and two frees in 09. I was at this game and after a lively first 10 mins Colin Brady had him in his pocket.
The possibilities with this draw are endless....
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kildare-hurling-chief-lashes-transfer-farce-3159206.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kildare-hurling-chief-lashes-transfer-farce-3159206.html)
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on July 05, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kildare-hurling-chief-lashes-transfer-farce-3159206.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/kildare-hurling-chief-lashes-transfer-farce-3159206.html)
On seeing this I said fair play to him for speaking out against this farce as had heard no other officials making any complaints, but then he tries to absolve Coill Dubh from any blame by stating that they were only bending to pressure and then complains that
Quote"Some of the requests made to that individual (Johnston) were completely above and beyond what has even been asked of anybody else who has ever wished to transfer. Some of the requests that were asked of him were wrong, there was no need for them."
::)
That's just preparing the ground, there will a Curragh version of 'The night of the long knives' soon enough I'd expect, the clubs are quite angry across both codes and there will be some blood letting, will be interesting to see who's left standing...
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 05, 2012, 11:53:39 AM
That's just preparing the ground, there will a Curragh version of 'The night of the long knives' soon enough I'd expect, the clubs are quite angry across both codes and there will be some blood letting, will be interesting to see who's left standing...
It's inevitable.
Plenty of "dúirt bean liom go ndúirt bean léi" going on at the moment.
Once SJ makes his debut for Kildare could he transfer back too Cavan Gaels and player for them in this years Cavan championship?
As he has only played championship hurling he should still be able to play!
Speculation is rife that Seanie Johnston will return to his home club Cavan Gaels in the coming weeks.
Johnston's transfer to Kildare last year dominated most of the headlines throughout the year, but the former Cavan captain eventually made the switch to the Lilywhites and linked up with club side St Kevin's.
Johnson missed out on the opening round of this year's Kildare SFC through injury and thus is eligible to make the switch back to his native club Cavan Gaels.
His return would be a huge boost to the former champions as they look to put in a strong bid for championship honours, having been knocked out at the quarterfinal stage by Killygarry last year.
It's a bit cat that after all the protestations now Cavan are trying to poach an established Kildare IC player. Lordsaveusandhelpus.
Be surprised if Johnston is is recalled by Terry next year. New team now, and there is far more competition for places.
Be a good asset for Cavan Gaels nonetheless, with himself and Martin Dunne.
This is as farcical as the guys going to the US. Time the GAA stood up to players transferring on the basis of where they are most likely to succeed. Johnston threw a hissy fit and should just suck it up. What has happened to the Club/parish/county ethos?
Seanie, find a Rossie uncle on the family tree or something and we'll hook you up and save you from these heathen Ulster men.
Well, mainly just the Armagh lads.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2013, 12:48:06 PM
Seanie, find a Rossie uncle on the family tree or something and we'll hook you up and save you from these heathen Ulster men.
Well, mainly just the Armagh lads.
I did say where they are most likely to suceed! ;D
If Jamie Clarke moved to Kildare, they'd probably give him a stud farm ad a helicopter.
No big issue here.
Seanie just making a few more headlines and all he wants to do is play ball.
It's no ig deal what club or county Seanie plays for.
He's doing it for the love of the game, same as the rest.
Leave him be.
He is transferring to Cavan Gaels (not the Cavan senior team) and this has been rumoured in Cavan for a long time. Perhaps he will try and get back playing with Cavan but I seriously doubt it. He has burnt his bridges. Cavan management have worked extremely hard to build a team with a strong work rate and a sense of togetherness, Seanie is all about himself and is not a fit for this model.
I think it clearly shows now why Seanie transferred in the first place and where he was always resident, if any of you haven't figured it out yet.
The big question is............wait for it..................Who is he going to play Hurling for? :P
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 24, 2013, 01:57:36 PM
He is transferring to Cavan Gaels (not the Cavan senior team) and this has been rumoured in Cavan for a long time. Perhaps he will try and get back playing with Cavan but I seriously doubt it. He has burnt his bridges. Cavan management have worked extremely hard to build a team with a strong work rate and a sense of togetherness, Seanie is all about himself and is not a fit for this model.
I think it clearly shows now why Seanie transferred in the first place and where he was always resident, if any of you haven't figured it out yet.
He didn't nail down a place with Kildare, that's more of a reason. 9 Championship games Kildare have played in Johnstons time there and he didn't start one.
He is probably hoping to eventually get back on the Cavan Senior team. I can't see it though , with the new players coming through. Will more then likely be eligible in a few weeks for the Club Championship against my own Club in the first round.
A talented player but seems like his best days were 3/4 years ago.
Straffan or Cavan ?
2 nice addresses.
Hard to choose.
Quote from: rodney trotter on July 24, 2013, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on July 24, 2013, 01:57:36 PM
He is transferring to Cavan Gaels (not the Cavan senior team) and this has been rumoured in Cavan for a long time. Perhaps he will try and get back playing with Cavan but I seriously doubt it. He has burnt his bridges. Cavan management have worked extremely hard to build a team with a strong work rate and a sense of togetherness, Seanie is all about himself and is not a fit for this model.
I think it clearly shows now why Seanie transferred in the first place and where he was always resident, if any of you haven't figured it out yet.
He didn't nail down a place with Kildare, that's more of a reason. 9 Championship games Kildare have played in Johnstons time there and he didn't start one.
He is probably hoping to eventually get back on the Cavan Senior team. I can't see it though , with the new players coming through. Will more then likely be eligible in a few weeks for the Club Championship against my own Club in the first round.
A talented player but seems like his best days were 3/4 years ago.
With regards to the bit in bold I meant his original transfer.
I would say he has burned his bridges with the Cavan senior team but his initial request was to transfer IC and remain with Cavan Gaels. He is only just jumping through the required hoops to get there after is original request was turned down.
Quote from: LeoMc on July 24, 2013, 04:20:09 PM
his initial request was to transfer IC and remain with Cavan Gaels. He is only just jumping through the required hoops to get there after is original request was turned down.
That's what he and the other gang of approached IC players were told - come join us on our odyssey and you can stay with your current club
"Gang"? Who?
Only one fish got hooked but now he's in steaming hot oil, being readied to eat with chips and onion rings. Some humble pie will be eaten later.
The other little fishies are still swimming in the water, come back here but be ready for the slaughter.
It's Dublin players we all should be poaching anyways.
Quote from: Syferus on July 24, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
It's Dublin players we all should be poaching anyways.
No one can match their current wages.
Personally I'm delighted he hasn't been a success with Kildare and I hope it serves as a warning to others who decide to believe their own hype. Far away hills are not always greener! Cavan remain in the championship, with a great shot at reaching an All-Ireland quarter final. He would be there too only for his ego. As for a return to Cavan team, even if they did lose their minds and decide to let him back, who would they drop? We already have a carbon copy in Dunne.
One thing that a lot of people don't realise is that Dunne works very hard. In not in SJ make up, I don't think Cavan need him anymore. He sure made a stupid decision leaving and there will be a queue of hard men in club football waiting to welcomed him back.
Seanie made his bed, now he has to drive to Straffan and lie in it.
Was only a matter of time before he ended up back at the Gaels I suppose. Would be an awful lot of bridges for him to cross before he would be considered for a re-entry to the Cavan senior panel. First he would have to knuckle down at a Cian Mackey rate with his club and shed the apparent individual/me fein streak. second the panel would want to be 100% behind him coming back in if he did prove himself worthy of it in a football sense. The positive thing is that we have a pile of young lads who are available and willing to play now as well as any number of 25 years plus blokes who should be looking at what Mackey and Flanagan are achieving this year and maybe pushing themselves forward for next year if they are so inclined. In short its not a case that we are now begging Seanie or anybody else to tog out for the County, I'm confident those days are gone for the moment. I'd have great faith in Terry's ability to make the right call on Seanie.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on July 24, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
Speculation is rife that Seanie Johnston will return to his home club Cavan Gaels in the coming weeks.
Johnston's transfer to Kildare last year dominated most of the headlines throughout the year, but the former Cavan captain eventually made the switch to the Lilywhites and linked up with club side St Kevin's.
Johnson missed out on the opening round of this year's Kildare SFC through injury and thus is eligible to make the switch back to his native club Cavan Gaels.
His return would be a huge boost to the former champions as they look to put in a strong bid for championship honours, having been knocked out at the quarterfinal stage by Killygarry last year.
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He blames Hyland for being dropped in the first place, whether he was just using that as a tool so not to do a U-turn after Andrews left is another thing.
Quote from: tommysmith on July 24, 2013, 10:04:50 PM
He blames Hyland for being dropped in the first place, whether he was just using that as a tool so not to do a U-turn after Andrews left is another thing.
Does anyone care what he thinks at this stage anyway. He stuck up two fingers to Cavan Gaels, Cavan and the GAA to get what he wanted. He would want to beg forgiveness and even then as Anglo says the whole panel would want to be 100% behind him. I think there is zero chance of that given he togged out in Breffni against us. Im not sure he is even good enough anymore either. Best to leave him where he is and stick with the young lads as we have been doing very well this year.
I've no doubt he's still on very good terms with McKeever, Ronan Flanagan, Sheridan and Mackey but does anyone see the likes of Feargal Flanagan or McDermott or Gearoid welcoming him back in? Not a prayer. His days with Cavan are finished, for good. Too much baggage, too much media attention. If he comes back the best he can hope to achieve in his football career will be a shot at an Ulster Club title, and it's unlikely he'll get it.
I recall Barry Reilly making some jokes on twitter about his loyalty. Since Barry was captain of one of our u21 teams I'd say his opinion would be typical of the young lads.
How is he going to survive club football though, I'm thinking he is going to get some abuse.
Watch the youtube footage of Kildare v Cavan last year and how the (usually placid and well mannered) McDermott reacts when Johnston scores the free, that'll tell you all you need to know.
I agree about the Club Itchy, do Cavan Gaels really want to give their opposition more motivation? They have an wealth of options and more and more coming through each year, they don't need Johnston. Will the people around the club be loyal to him because of his great past contributions ? Perhaps..
I'd say if was able to survive the abuse from people over his transfer to Kildare he would be able for any abuse eplaying for the Gaels. Fairly thick skinned.
Joe O Connor wants him back - the Gaels manager.
Any club team in the country would be mad not to accept a player of Johnston's talent if he wants to join. Whatever about county level it's unquestionable he's more than good enough to make an impact for a club. Doesn't matter how many 'options' a club has, Johnston is still going to make any club team in the country at a canter.
That's true, the Gaels haven't really been setting the world alite this year in the League. Knocked out of the Championship last year at the Quarter Finals stages by Killygarry by 1pt. Johnston would have made the difference.
He is still a class Footballer for Club level anyways.
Looks like Seanie is on his way back to the gaels according to twitter!
After the great service he gave St Kevins surely no one should question his right to move back to is former club.
Seems Cavan Gaels would stoop to any low to win, even by allowing this guy back in their ranks. Well I suppose that is their perogative but I wish them no success, its a pity that they will probably be keeping one of their up and coming young players off the team.
I don't think SJ will be back playing for Cavan. Don't think he could swallow his pride to do that and I don't think anyone on the panel (bar a few) want him near it. This was always his plan, to use St Kevins for his own manipulation of the GAA to suit himself. Afterall, his original attempts was to stay with teh Gaels and play for Kildare and when he needed the big bucks to take this case and the Gaels wouldnt back him, he left them too. I presume everyone can now see he was never a resident of Straffan or Kildare.
However, I think he is making one big mistake. Leaving St Kevins after doing what he did and the hurling farce, surely even the most ardant Kildare fan will admit that none of this whoring of their clubs was worth it as he brought them nothing additional and they won nothing in his time. So what happens if McGeeney leaves now, SJ is playing in Cavan. Will the new manager want or need him - I doubt it.
Seanie will have to live with the decisions he has made.
He's made a fool of himself as past few years with club and county and instead of being remembered for his outstanding footballing ability he will most likely be remembered for the Straffan and the hurling and his lack of principle.
Let him be and I hope the media circus surrounding him now stops.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 07, 2013, 08:55:27 AM
Seems Cavan Gaels would stoop to any low to win, even by allowing this guy back in their ranks. Well I suppose that is their perogative but I wish them no success, its a pity that they will probably be keeping one of their up and coming young players off the team.
I don't think SJ will be back playing for Cavan. Don't think he could swallow his pride to do that and I don't think anyone on the panel (bar a few) want him near it. This was always his plan, to use St Kevins for his own manipulation of the GAA to suit himself. Afterall, his original attempts was to stay with teh Gaels and play for Kildare and when he needed the big bucks to take this case and the Gaels wouldnt back him, he left them too. I presume everyone can now see he was never a resident of Straffan or Kildare.
However, I think he is making one big mistake. Leaving St Kevins after doing what he did and the hurling farce, surely even the most ardant Kildare fan will admit that none of this whoring of their clubs was worth it as he brought them nothing additional and they won nothing in his time. So what happens if McGeeney leaves now, SJ is playing in Cavan. Will the new manager want or need him - I doubt it.
Ah come off it. Johnston was with the club since he was a baby. He clearly never wanted to leave them in the first place. It's incredible sour grapes to be attacking a club for taking one of their own back.
QuoteAh come off it. Johnston was with the club since he was a baby. He clearly never wanted to leave them in the first place.
Why did he leave them in first place then?
Quote from: armaghniac on August 07, 2013, 11:50:10 AM
QuoteAh come off it. Johnston was with the club since he was a baby. He clearly never wanted to leave them in the first place.
Why did he leave them in first place then?
Because of the enchanting Geeze and the big smoke in Newbridge, obviously. If he could have stayed put and played for Kikdare there's little doubt he'd have done it.
It's fair game attacking the original transfer but him returning to his original club? Nah.
Just makes the flourbags more of a laughing stock than they already were.
Quote from: Syferus on August 07, 2013, 12:01:17 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on August 07, 2013, 11:50:10 AM
QuoteAh come off it. Johnston was with the club since he was a baby. He clearly never wanted to leave them in the first place.
Why did he leave them in first place then?
Because of the enchanting Geeze and the big smoke in Newbridge, obviously. If he could have stayed put and played for Kikdare there's little doubt he'd have done it.
It's fair game attacking the original transfer but him returning to his original club? Nah.
Really, thats why he left? Wow I thought it was because he just wanted to play football and he was told he would never play for Cavan again etc etc. You are right he did want to stay put and play for Kildare but as you know that is clearly against the rules of the GAA. So he faced a choice between his Ego and his club and guess which won? Anyway it looks like he got what he wished in the end but as the saying goes be careful what you wish for as I think Seanie is going to get some abuse on the club scene (he is lucky Anthony Gaynor is suspended for a year!)
I'm not sure that even if he were committed and made up with the players/fans/management that he would add anything to our panel. His best days are behind him and the mass defence does not suit a player like him. Its too big of a risk to Cavan to let him in and possibly disrupt what is a very tight set-up.
There was an article in one of the Sunday papers quoting I think an ex-Cavan county Chairman who referred to 'cancerous' elements who were in the dressing room but are now gone - who was he referring to?
Quote from: heffo on August 07, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
There was an article in one of the Sunday papers quoting I think an ex-Cavan county Chairman who referred to 'cancerous' elements who were in the dressing room but are now gone - who was he referring to?
Val Andrews I'd say.
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 07, 2013, 02:32:17 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 07, 2013, 02:14:21 PM
There was an article in one of the Sunday papers quoting I think an ex-Cavan county Chairman who referred to 'cancerous' elements who were in the dressing room but are now gone - who was he referring to?
Val Andrews I'd say.
You're such a cad. Witty to boot.
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Word on the street up towards the top of the town is that SJ is looking for an apology of the Gaels for how they mishandled and mistreated him during the transfer saga. Anyway Joe O C would walk on coals to get him back so expect this major impasse will get sorted
Apology for what. Not wasting club members money on a case that was going to lose. Doesn't sound like he is coming back a reformed character. Can't see him ever playing for Cavan again.
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2013, 07:52:09 PM
Apology for what. Not wasting club members money on a case that was going to lose. Doesn't sound like he is coming back a reformed character. Can't see him ever playing for Cavan again.
Cavan Senior team would be better off without him. To much baggage and unwanted attention. Seanie is the Past, And Cavan football should be all about the future.
Quote from: From the Bunker on August 07, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 07, 2013, 07:52:09 PM
Apology for what. Not wasting club members money on a case that was going to lose. Doesn't sound like he is coming back a reformed character. Can't see him ever playing for Cavan again.
Cavan Senior team would be better off without him. To much baggage and unwanted attention. Seanie is the Past, And Cavan football should be all about the future.
You're only saying that 'cause ye couldn't manage the Thriller. Terry Hyland is a more wily man than Jamesy.
#bringseanieback
if cavan want to undo every bit of good done this year- then just invite him back
Quote from: INDIANA on August 07, 2013, 09:04:54 PM
if cavan want to undo every bit of good done this year- then just invite him back
There is very little chance of that.
I see in the Celt he is playing soccer now with Cavan Town, what an insult to St Kevin's.
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2013, 11:14:15 PM
I see in the Celt he is playing soccer now with Cavan Town, what an insult to St Kevin's.
Hurler, footballer and soccer player - a handy boy to be fair.
Anglo celt running a poll on this at the moment
http://www.anglocelt.ie/
Doesn't look like too many want him back and even less think he was in the right at the start. Think this is a total non runner thankfully.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Anglo celt running a poll on this at the moment
http://www.anglocelt.ie/
Doesn't look like too many want him back and even less think he was in the right at the start. Think this is a total non runner thankfully.
Winning titles isn't a popularity contest :-X
Really hard for me to look at Cavan this year and think a more humble Seanie wouldn't be a serious addition to the panel.
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Anglo celt running a poll on this at the moment
http://www.anglocelt.ie/
Doesn't look like too many want him back and even less think he was in the right at the start. Think this is a total non runner thankfully.
Winning titles isn't a popularity contest :-X
Really hard for me to look at Cavan this year and think a more humble Seanie wouldn't be a serious addition to the panel.
Your problem Syferus is you know nothing what so ever about Cavan football yet for some reason you spend a lot of time commenting on it. What would a player who coudn't even make a poor Kildare team bring extra to Cavan. You think we would have beat Kerry if he was playing? If ye think he is so good get him an apartment in Roscommon.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2013, 08:19:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Anglo celt running a poll on this at the moment
http://www.anglocelt.ie/
Doesn't look like too many want him back and even less think he was in the right at the start. Think this is a total non runner thankfully.
Winning titles isn't a popularity contest :-X
Really hard for me to look at Cavan this year and think a more humble Seanie wouldn't be a serious addition to the panel.
Your problem Syferus is you know nothing what so ever about Cavan football yet for some reason you spend a lot of time commenting on it. What would a player who coudn't even make a poor Kildare team bring extra to Cavan. You think we would have beat Kerry if he was playing? If ye think he is so good get him an apartment in Roscommon.
We're happy enough with our team of stars, Myles. The difference here is Seanie is a Cavan man and an ex-Cavan player.
That 'poor' Kildare team hammered Cavan a year ago and finished in the top three in D1. Would Dean Rock make the Cavan team? Ted Furman? Paul Kerrigan? Being on the bench on a better team isn't an indication of whether a player can't start or contribute for another county.
The only think that would stop Seanie having some role with Cavan is politics and his own attitude, we all know that well enough.
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Anglo celt running a poll on this at the moment
http://www.anglocelt.ie/
Doesn't look like too many want him back and even less think he was in the right at the start. Think this is a total non runner thankfully.
Winning titles isn't a popularity contest :-X
Really hard for me to look at Cavan this year and think a more humble Seanie wouldn't be a serious addition to the panel.
Perhaps you have mastered the art of personality transplants in Roscommon but we're behind the times here in Cavan.. How do you propose we make Seanie more humble? Electro-Shock therapy?
We have had talent players on the panel in the past, almost as talented as Johnston, that for one reason or another didn't have the requisite mentality to be a proper addition. Johnston is just another more high profile member of that club. All us Cavan lads have seen him play a lot more that you have Syferus, do you not wonder that there isn't one among us that would have him back?
Quote from: Syferus on August 09, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 09, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Anglo celt running a poll on this at the moment
http://www.anglocelt.ie/
Doesn't look like too many want him back and even less think he was in the right at the start. Think this is a total non runner thankfully.
Winning titles isn't a popularity contest :-X
Really hard for me to look at Cavan this year and think a more humble Seanie wouldn't be a serious addition to the panel.
I don't think he'd be any addition. He was poor for Kildare
He was rubbish for kildare. Seemed to try to bulk himself up and forgot about the football side of things.
About 4 years ago brilliant but on current form rubbish.
Sure we took Rory back after he played for Cavan.
What club did he play for? How long did he stay for?
He played with a neighbour club of mine Crosserlough, played 5 league games and was gone in July after Cavan were out of the Championship, back to St Brigids Dub for the Club championship. A tool if ever there was one.
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
30 next year.
Feel kinda sorry for him though! All the trouble and the insults and for what purpose?
surely there must be some way for the man to redeem himself with Cavan.
It would be up to Seanie to prove himself at Club level. If players aren't happy to have him back on the panel then there is no point talking about it. The Club transfer hasn't gone through yet.
Brilliant player on his day, had a couple of good performances in the League for Kildare against Kerry, Cork and Mayo. The rest were below par by all accounts, and he didn't start 1 championship game for Kildare out of the 8 games over the 2 seasons.
Word is he wants the Gaels to apologise to him. If that is his attitude after all that's happened then reconciliation with Cavan players, management and fans has no chance.
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 11:03:10 PM
Word is he wants the Gaels to apologise to him. If that is his attitude after all that's happened then reconciliation with Cavan players, management and fans has no chance.
If that's his attitude, then I cant see his return, or should I say attempted return being successful.
He has to understand that he upset a lot of Cavan Gael supporters
It takes a man to admit he was wrong and apologise accordingly. He cant move on if he holds a grudge
There was a bad vibe in that camp and it wasn't only Johnston but some others changed there ways. There was also a problem with Cavan Gaels lads in general but the young Gaels seem as commuted as anyone. I'd hate to risk it all for the sake of 1 player, and one whose best days are behind. It should be said to that Johnson hasn't said a word about trying to play for Cavan, maybe he doesn't want to either.
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 09, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back. As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway).
Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.
The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.
He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on August 09, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back. As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway).
Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.
The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.
He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.
James Reilly made it any easy decision for him not to be selected by missing trainings and not attending a bonding session in Athlone before the Championship. McKeever went to New York for a wedding and then lost his place in the team, he was also carrying a knock before the championship.
It wasn't to do with his age.
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Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 09, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back. As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway).
Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.
The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.
He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.
James Reilly made it any easy decision for him not to be selected by missing trainings and not attending a bonding session in Athlone before the Championship. McKeever went to New York for a wedding and then lost his place in the team, he was also carrying a knock before the championship.
It wasn't to do with his age.
Well if you want to talk about missing training Gilsenan went on a bender to Vegas for 10 days after the Armagh game and also misses training sessions regular enough. So i would think it has alot to do with age.
Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 09, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back. As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway).
Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.
The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.
He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.
Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
If Seanie was a Mayo player, I'd probably be very thick about it if he shagged off to Kildare or any other county. The way Kildare flouted the rules to let him play for McGeeney was a bloody disgrace no matter what ones thinks of Seanie and his reasons for deserting to them.
But, while the way he was able to move would be unacceptable to me under any circumstances, I don't know what his reasons for leaving the Cavan panel were.
At face value, it seems he just wouldn't get on with the manager and/or the rest of the squad- his track record of dissent is there for the record and goes back a long time.
But if he was a Mayo player and the likes of, say, Aidan O'Shea or Andy Moran came out and said he should be allowed back onto the panel again, I'd really want to know the reason for his departure in the first place.
There must be two sides to this particular story and the public is only getting one of them.
Same goes for his demand for an apology from the Gaels; seems a most unusual move to me.
Anyone got an idea why he's laying down his conditions before he's consider returning?
QuoteDo you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
I do.
He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2013, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 09, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back. As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway).
Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.
The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.
He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.
Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
If Seanie was a Mayo player, I'd probably be very thick about it if he shagged off to Kildare or any other county. The way Kildare flouted the rules to let him play for McGeeney was a bloody disgrace no matter what ones thinks of Seanie and his reasons for deserting to them.
But, while the way he was able to move would be unacceptable to me under any circumstances, I don't know what his reasons for leaving the Cavan panel were.
At face value, it seems he just wouldn't get on with the manager and/or the rest of the squad- his track record of dissent is there for the record and goes back a long time.
But if he was a Mayo player and the likes of, say, Aidan O'Shea or Andy Moran came out and said he should be allowed back onto the panel again, I'd really want to know the reason for his departure in the first place.
There must be two sides to this particular story and the public is only getting one of them.
Same goes for his demand for an apology from the Gaels; seems a most unusual move to me.
Anyone got an idea why he's laying down his conditions before he's consider returning?
because in his own head he thinks he's gooch cooper
Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
QuoteDo you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
I do.
He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.
Hardly 10k was it? Just standard DRA fee no?
Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
QuoteDo you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
I do.
He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.
Anyone observing the Cavan thread will be used to a lot of stuff which Tommy "knows" about team selections, injuries and player departures to the USA which tend to be proved nonsensical with the passage of time, probably best to treat anything he posts with a lot of scepticism at the very least.
Quote from: heffo on August 10, 2013, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 12:42:21 PM
QuoteDo you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
I do.
He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.
Hardly 10k was it? Just standard DRA fee no?
It was going to have to be taken to the high court. Apologies it was the DRA.
http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2012/02/20/4009063-johnston-saga-timeline/print
QuoteThe Cavan county board write to every player who had been involved in the senior team in 2011 to thank them for their efforts and inform them that the panel was being disbanded. Val Andrews contacts a handful of players via telephone "as a mark of respect". Johnston is contacted and, it is understood, ends the phone call after a period of silence. He would later tell the Irish Independent that all he got was a 10-second call after eight years of service. "I wasn't looking for anything special but after nine seasons with the county I might have been entitled to a little more compassion," he would later say.
November 24
The Anglo-Celt break the story that Johnston has met with Kieran McGeeney.
It is understood that the original contact may have involved a member of the Kildare back-room team, although well-placed sources in Kildare continue to insist that that they were approached. A Cavan county board officer states that the board has heard nothing official and that, in what by this stage already looked set to be a high profile case, Johnston would have to prove his residency beyond any doubt before the board would sign off on any transfer.
December
Johnston applies in writing to the CCC in Croke Park to request permission to play football for Kildare without leaving his home club Cavan Gaels. This is refused. Having originally given a postal address in Croke Park, he requests that all correspondence is via email.
December 1
Kieran McGeeney's right-hand man, Niall Carew, denies that the wheels are in motion on the move. "Any player, whether they are inside the county or outside, if he wants to come in, we'll give him a go, but for now there is nothing happening," said Carew.
December 17
Johnston is elected as the Cavan Gaels players' representative on the club committee at the AGM, which appears to suggest that he will not be leaving the club.
January 12
Johnston appears before the Central Appeals Committee in Croke Park appealing against the decision not to allow him to declare for Kildare. The appeal is turned down.
January 16
On his official twitter page, Johnston comments: "Honesty is d best policy". The following day, under the heading "Let me go" he breaks his silence and insists that he now lives in Straffan, Co Kildare in a revealing interview to the Irish Independent during which he states, "I'm 27 now and I want to continue playing inter-county football but I don't want to leave my club. It's hugely important to me. But I'm resident in Kildare now and I'm surplus to requirements in Cavan."
January 21
The Cavan Gaels club executive refuses to take a case on behalf of Johnston to the Disputes Resolution Authority. Had they lost, the club could have incurred fees of up to €10,000.
January 21
McGeeney lays out the welcome mat for Johnston in an interview on local radio.
"If he wants to play for Kildare, the same as anybody else wants to play for Kildare, I've an open door policy," McGeeney said on KFM.
"He can come here, turn up, play, train and I've never stopped anybody who's wanted to play for Kildare. He has indicated that he wants to and we'll take him in with open arms but he's going to have his work cut out.
January 24
The Leinster Leader reveals that Johnston will seek to move to St Kevin's of Staplestown, an intermediate club based eight miles from Straffan and the home club of Carew. The club secretary and Kildare secretary Kathleen O'Neill sign the form and return it to Croke Park.
January 30
Cavan county board object to the transfer on the grounds that there is some doubt over the player's permananent residence in Kildare. The following day, St Kevin's chairman Martin Murray is quoted as saying that Johnston is "committed" to the Kildare club and is critical of the Cavan county board. "Seanie is committed to playing football with Kevin's and Kildare and we at Kevin's are committed to taking him on" said Murray. "Cavan county board have pulled something out of the hat and we'll have to go down the Croke Park route now.
February 1
The Cavan Gaels committee meet, seven days after receiving the papers and two days after the Cavan county board's meeting, and decide not to object.
February 5
Johnston trains with St Kevin's and, afterwards, makes his second public comment, telling freelance reporter Daragh Ó Conchuir that he has moved residence to Kildare and that "there should be no issue". He also issues an invite to any doubters to "come down for tea, they're more than welcome".
Quote from: tommysmith on August 10, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on August 10, 2013, 10:35:18 AM
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Quote from: rodney trotter on August 09, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: anglocelt39 on August 09, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 09, 2013, 10:44:50 PM
From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.
Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday
Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.
In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back. As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway).
Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.
The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.
He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.
James Reilly made it any easy decision for him not to be selected by missing trainings and not attending a bonding session in Athlone before the Championship. McKeever went to New York for a wedding and then lost his place in the team, he was also carrying a knock before the championship.
It wasn't to do with his age.
Well if you want to talk about missing training Gilsenan went on a bender to Vegas for 10 days after the Armagh game and also misses training sessions regular enough. So i would think it has alot to do with age.
Not in McKeever's case, they didn't decide to not select because they suddenly realised he was 29. After playing great football during the league.
Miller was beginning to be a liability in nets so hardy a surprise he wasn't selected.
Ok you have a different opinion than me.
More obvious than anything else.
Looks like he's back.. On the same night Cavan Gaels are knocked out of the Championship!
Quote from: Westside on August 31, 2013, 09:00:59 PM
Looks like he's back.. On the same night Cavan Gaels are knocked out of the Championship!
Gaels are still in the championship back door. When did you hear the transfer went through, there has been no word of that.
Ah right I thought they were out. Don't have any solid details rodney just the word on the street!
Quote from: Westside on August 31, 2013, 09:15:20 PM
Ah right I thought they were out. Don't have any solid details rodney just the word on the street!
I was at game and no word about him.
Though they were out myself, they were poor tonight and Castlerahan fully deserved the win.
Nah they are def still in the Championship (backdoor). Oisin O Connell and Ronan Flanagan had great games for Casterahan. Mackey was very lively too.
Just checked and not transfer has gone through for Johnston.
Saw it on Twitter there that he has been granted a transfer back to Cavan Gaels
that dickhead looks out for no one only numero uno. Any Cavan man worth his salt would disown the f**ker without hesitation
I remember his cameo with the hurling club in Kildare, that your man never passed him the sliotar is one life's great tragedies, would love to have seen what happend
Quote from: tommysmith on August 31, 2013, 10:33:54 PM
Just checked and not transfer has gone through for Johnston.
Tommy, type mistake in your post. Are you saying it has not gone through?
The Gaels obviously have no self respect or respect for the players they already have. SJ should stick to playing soccer with that fine club in Cavan.
Quote from: qubdub on September 01, 2013, 04:21:59 AM
that d**khead looks out for no one only numero uno. Any Cavan man worth his salt would disown the f**ker without hesitation
Recent survey in the local paper in Cavan showed their is little support for his return. A minority were willing to forgive and forget but 60% were against his return. I think something below 10% believed he was right to leave in the first place.
For me SJ would have to apologise to the Cavan public for his behaviour and then close his gob and play with his club and see what happens. The chances of either him apologising or closing his gob are as remote as me winning an all star.
Quote from: Itchy on September 01, 2013, 09:40:34 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on August 31, 2013, 10:33:54 PM
Just checked and not transfer has gone through for Johnston.
Tommy, type mistake in your post. Are you saying it has not gone through?
The Gaels obviously have no self respect or respect for the players they already have. SJ should stick to playing soccer with that fine club in Cavan.
As of Friday it hasn't gone through.
I'd imagine it will Monday if all this talk is true.
Quote from: stephenite on September 01, 2013, 05:21:08 AM
I remember his cameo with the hurling club in Kildare, that your man never passed him the sliotar is one life's great tragedies, would love to have seen what happend
That whole Hurling bs only came about because the CCC didn't grant his transfer earlier. And as a result missed the first round of the Kidare club championship. He had lodged the transfer 6/7 months before the Hurling game.
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McGeeney is as much to blame for the orginal transfer as anyone else
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 01, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: stephenite on September 01, 2013, 05:21:08 AM
I remember his cameo with the hurling club in Kildare, that your man never passed him the sliotar is one life's great tragedies, would love to have seen what happend
That whole Hurling bs only came about because the CCC didn't grant his transfer earlier. And as a result missed the first round of the Kidare club championship. He had lodged the transfer 6/7 months before the Hurling game.
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McGeeney is as much to blame for the orginal transfer as anyone else
We all know the history, still would've been priceless to see what happened if he got the pass
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Hope he likes playing in defence as that's where all of Cavan's forwards are ago fat the minute
Quote from: theticklemister on January 14, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Hope he likes playing in defence as that's where all of Cavan's forwards are ago fat the minute
I suppose we have to guess where the punctuation goes so I am going with this:
Hope he likes playing in defence as that's where? all of Cavan's forwards are ago fat the minute!
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Well I hope the Author of that piece wont mind if I disagree with a few things in it. First of all the only evidence of this come back is the fact that someone asked Hyland about a return after the match and Terry said he hadn't spoke to the player and the last he heard 6 weeks ago was Johnston needed an operation. Terry has never said Johnston was blacklisted and has said that even before his move to Kildare so there is nothing new in this. That is evidence No 1. Evidence No 2 is Johnston tweeted something about a Cavan match like -"need more scores from play". That's it!!
I also object to the suggestion in the piece that there is only a small hardcore of supporters against his return. The Anglo Celt itself ran a poll on the subject and it was 60% against or something like that. I also object to the idea that "Cavan fans are good fans when they are winning" - that's just a silly cliche in my opinion, and i don't care what former footballer said it. Cavan fans have had feck all to cheer about until recent times and coincidentally since Johnston was removed from the panel.
Sean Johnston was a very talented player and also a very disruptive influence, courting national media and moaning at his fellow players. It seems his ability as a player grows the less he plays!! In any case, he is not the player he was 5 years ago and I seriously doubt his attitude or ability to love himself has changed one bit. He has never showed any remorse for what he did. It would be suicide to let this guy into the panel and if it comes to pass then you won't see me or all the "hardcore" supporters like me watching Cavan again until he is gone.
Saying that I seriously doubt this will happen.
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Quote from: theticklemister on January 14, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Hope he likes playing in defence as that's where all of Cavan's forwards are ago fat the minute
I suppose we have to guess where the punctuation goes so I am going with this:
Hope he likes playing in defence as that's where? all of Cavan's forwards are ago fat the minute!
Damn iPhone and its auto correct!!!!!!
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 14, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Well I hope the Author of that piece wont mind if I disagree with a few things in it. First of all the only evidence of this come back is the fact that someone asked Hyland about a return after the match and Terry said he hadn't spoke to the player and the last he heard 6 weeks ago was Johnston needed an operation. Terry has never said Johnston was blacklisted and has said that even before his move to Kildare so there is nothing new in this. That is evidence No 1. Evidence No 2 is Johnston tweeted something about a Cavan match like -"need more scores from play". That's it!!
I also object to the suggestion in the piece that there is only a small hardcore of supporters against his return. The Anglo Celt itself ran a poll on the subject and it was 60% against or something like that. I also object to the idea that "Cavan fans are good fans when they are winning" - that's just a silly cliche in my opinion, and i don't care what former footballer said it. Cavan fans have had feck all to cheer about until recent times and coincidentally since Johnston was removed from the panel.
Sean Johnston was a very talented player and also a very disruptive influence, courting national media and moaning at his fellow players. It seems his ability as a player grows the less he plays!! In any case, he is not the player he was 5 years ago and I seriously doubt his attitude or ability to love himself has changed one bit. He has never showed any remorse for what he did. It would be suicide to let this guy into the panel and if it comes to pass then you won't see me or all the "hardcore" supporters like me watching Cavan again until he is gone.
Saying that I seriously doubt this will happen.
I think the point he is making is that the climate has never been better for a possible return. He must've got a whiff of something. As regards the fans, Cavan fans are as fickle as any other. If he was back scoring every week it would all be forgotten
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 14, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Well I hope the Author of that piece wont mind if I disagree with a few things in it. First of all the only evidence of this come back is the fact that someone asked Hyland about a return after the match and Terry said he hadn't spoke to the player and the last he heard 6 weeks ago was Johnston needed an operation. Terry has never said Johnston was blacklisted and has said that even before his move to Kildare so there is nothing new in this. That is evidence No 1. Evidence No 2 is Johnston tweeted something about a Cavan match like -"need more scores from play". That's it!!
I also object to the suggestion in the piece that there is only a small hardcore of supporters against his return. The Anglo Celt itself ran a poll on the subject and it was 60% against or something like that. I also object to the idea that "Cavan fans are good fans when they are winning" - that's just a silly cliche in my opinion, and i don't care what former footballer said it. Cavan fans have had feck all to cheer about until recent times and coincidentally since Johnston was removed from the panel.
Sean Johnston was a very talented player and also a very disruptive influence, courting national media and moaning at his fellow players. It seems his ability as a player grows the less he plays!! In any case, he is not the player he was 5 years ago and I seriously doubt his attitude or ability to love himself has changed one bit. He has never showed any remorse for what he did. It would be suicide to let this guy into the panel and if it comes to pass then you won't see me or all the "hardcore" supporters like me watching Cavan again until he is gone.
Saying that I seriously doubt this will happen.
I think the point he is making is that the climate has never been better for a possible return. He must've got a whiff of something. As regards the fans, Cavan fans are as fickle as any other. If he was back scoring every week it would all be forgotten
The same fellow was that stuck for quotes for the paper he started quoting what lads here were saying and then when piss was taken out of him here he lost run of himself a took a page out in a match program to slag us off.
Wouldnt read anything into it.
Well I for one hope he never plays for Cavan again. The free kick he took against us was too much
Quote from: tommysmith on January 14, 2015, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 14, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Well I hope the Author of that piece wont mind if I disagree with a few things in it. First of all the only evidence of this come back is the fact that someone asked Hyland about a return after the match and Terry said he hadn't spoke to the player and the last he heard 6 weeks ago was Johnston needed an operation. Terry has never said Johnston was blacklisted and has said that even before his move to Kildare so there is nothing new in this. That is evidence No 1. Evidence No 2 is Johnston tweeted something about a Cavan match like -"need more scores from play". That's it!!
I also object to the suggestion in the piece that there is only a small hardcore of supporters against his return. The Anglo Celt itself ran a poll on the subject and it was 60% against or something like that. I also object to the idea that "Cavan fans are good fans when they are winning" - that's just a silly cliche in my opinion, and i don't care what former footballer said it. Cavan fans have had feck all to cheer about until recent times and coincidentally since Johnston was removed from the panel.
Sean Johnston was a very talented player and also a very disruptive influence, courting national media and moaning at his fellow players. It seems his ability as a player grows the less he plays!! In any case, he is not the player he was 5 years ago and I seriously doubt his attitude or ability to love himself has changed one bit. He has never showed any remorse for what he did. It would be suicide to let this guy into the panel and if it comes to pass then you won't see me or all the "hardcore" supporters like me watching Cavan again until he is gone.
Saying that I seriously doubt this will happen.
I think the point he is making is that the climate has never been better for a possible return. He must've got a whiff of something. As regards the fans, Cavan fans are as fickle as any other. If he was back scoring every week it would all be forgotten
The same fellow was that stuck for quotes for the paper he started quoting what lads here were saying and then when piss was taken out of him here he lost run of himself a took a page out in a match program to slag us off.
Wouldnt read anything into it.
Get over yourself Tommy, papers quote social media and stuff every single day. I never understood why people got so excited about that.
Does Seanie play for Kildare? Does Seanie play for the Gaels? Does Seanie play for Cavan?
No. Seanie plays for Seanie and Seanie alone, end of. Wouldn't have him near the squad and I don't believe Hyland is that stupid, despite the diplomatic stuff he has no choice but say in the papers when he's asked.
Quote from: big balla on January 14, 2015, 09:02:40 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 14, 2015, 08:36:34 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 14, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on January 14, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
I see the local paper in Cavan has a piece saying that Johnston could be back yet! Dont know how the players would react to it but maybe they wouldn't care as long as he helps them win games. I would like to see him back playing his best stuff for Cavan again. He got MOM forbthe county final this year, though I wouldnt have given it to him to be fair.
Well I hope the Author of that piece wont mind if I disagree with a few things in it. First of all the only evidence of this come back is the fact that someone asked Hyland about a return after the match and Terry said he hadn't spoke to the player and the last he heard 6 weeks ago was Johnston needed an operation. Terry has never said Johnston was blacklisted and has said that even before his move to Kildare so there is nothing new in this. That is evidence No 1. Evidence No 2 is Johnston tweeted something about a Cavan match like -"need more scores from play". That's it!!
I also object to the suggestion in the piece that there is only a small hardcore of supporters against his return. The Anglo Celt itself ran a poll on the subject and it was 60% against or something like that. I also object to the idea that "Cavan fans are good fans when they are winning" - that's just a silly cliche in my opinion, and i don't care what former footballer said it. Cavan fans have had feck all to cheer about until recent times and coincidentally since Johnston was removed from the panel.
Sean Johnston was a very talented player and also a very disruptive influence, courting national media and moaning at his fellow players. It seems his ability as a player grows the less he plays!! In any case, he is not the player he was 5 years ago and I seriously doubt his attitude or ability to love himself has changed one bit. He has never showed any remorse for what he did. It would be suicide to let this guy into the panel and if it comes to pass then you won't see me or all the "hardcore" supporters like me watching Cavan again until he is gone.
Saying that I seriously doubt this will happen.
I think the point he is making is that the climate has never been better for a possible return. He must've got a whiff of something. As regards the fans, Cavan fans are as fickle as any other. If he was back scoring every week it would all be forgotten
The same fellow was that stuck for quotes for the paper he started quoting what lads here were saying and then when piss was taken out of him here he lost run of himself a took a page out in a match program to slag us off.
Wouldnt read anything into it.
Get over yourself Tommy, papers quote social media and stuff every single day. I never understood why people got so excited about that.
Yeah but his reaction was priceless !!!
Seanie would be better to stay where he is, too much baggage.
I see Seanie has transferred again this time to Co.Cavan Golf Club...... seems to have won a lot of silverwear last year and also won the Golfer of the Year award. Could be signed up by Horizon to replace our Rory !
Quote from: Western Blue on January 16, 2015, 06:49:09 PM
I see Seanie has transferred again this time to Co.Cavan Golf Club...... seems to have won a lot of silverwear last year and also won the Golfer of the Year award. Could be signed up by Horizon to replace our Rory !
Can't see it. Caroline would be too tall for Seanie.
Seanie's ankles are in a bad way from what i hear,so even if he were to asked back, he would be in no condition to play.
Paul fitz was getting ahead of himself with the article. Johnston won't be back for Gaels until April, was no approach made to ask him back
Well on that note it's oblivion for this thread.
:'(
Quote from: muppet on January 16, 2015, 09:32:00 PM
Quote from: Western Blue on January 16, 2015, 06:49:09 PM
I see Seanie has transferred again this time to Co.Cavan Golf Club...... seems to have won a lot of silverwear last year and also won the Golfer of the Year award. Could be signed up by Horizon to replace our Rory !
Can't see it. Caroline would be too tall for Seanie.
Well both Seanie and Rory had recent identity conflictsconflicts so there is always that.
Lads, could we not get him a job, apartment, girlfriend or some sheep in Tyrone. With Stevie O gone we need a new God for Ciaran McKeever to fall in love with and stop courting big Sean Can.
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 17, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
Lads, could we not get him a job, apartment, girlfriend or some sheep in Tyrone. With Stevie O gone we need a new God for Ciaran McKeever to fall in love with and stop courting big Sean Can.
Id say you could DEFINITELY get him a boyfriend on the Tyrone panel! ;) ::)
And dunno if Seanie wud go down as easy as Big Sean, diving cheat (shouldn't use thd word "big"as that infers that hes a big strong physical man, not a big girl who dives about and cries. Remember few back Nicholas Walsh made him leave the pitch in tears LOL!) But the Sean's defo have fair bit in common in that they cry to officials and love running to the media!
Think Cavan cud do without him, think they'll be dark horses next year, hopefully they'll take the Farney prima donnas 8)
Quote from: orange on January 17, 2015, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 17, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
Lads, could we not get him a job, apartment, girlfriend or some sheep in Tyrone. With Stevie O gone we need a new God for Ciaran McKeever to fall in love with and stop courting big Sean Can.
Id say you could DEFINITELY get him a boyfriend on the Tyrone panel! ;) ::)
And dunno if Seanie wud go down as easy as Big Sean, diving cheat (shouldn't use thd word "big"as that infers that hes a big strong physical man, not a big girl who dives about and cries. Remember few back Nicholas Walsh made him leave the pitch in tears LOL!) But the Sean's defo have fair bit in common in that they cry to officials and love running to the media!
Think Cavan cud do without him, think they'll be dark horses next year, hopefully they'll take the Farney prima donnas 8)
Big, brave boy you are. Nicholas Walsh lowered himself to the level of a sewer rat that day. For all this talk of what the GAA is and isn't about with transfers and outside managers etc, it definitely isn't about carrying out the dirty act Walsh did.
But maybe that's accepted in Armagh.
Quote from: orange on January 17, 2015, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 17, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
Lads, could we not get him a job, apartment, girlfriend or some sheep in Tyrone. With Stevie O gone we need a new God for Ciaran McKeever to fall in love with and stop courting big Sean Can.
Id say you could DEFINITELY get him a boyfriend on the Tyrone panel! ;) ::)
And dunno if Seanie wud go down as easy as Big Sean, diving cheat (shouldn't use thd word "big"as that infers that hes a big strong physical man, not a big girl who dives about and cries. Remember few back Nicholas Walsh made him leave the pitch in tears LOL!) But the Sean's defo have fair bit in common in that they cry to officials and love running to the media!
Think Cavan cud do without him, think they'll be dark horses next year, hopefully they'll take the Farney prima donnas 8)
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Quote from: Max Payne on January 17, 2015, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: orange on January 17, 2015, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 17, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
Lads, could we not get him a job, apartment, girlfriend or some sheep in Tyrone. With Stevie O gone we need a new God for Ciaran McKeever to fall in love with and stop courting big Sean Can.
Id say you could DEFINITELY get him a boyfriend on the Tyrone panel! ;) ::)
And dunno if Seanie wud go down as easy as Big Sean, diving cheat (shouldn't use thd word "big"as that infers that hes a big strong physical man, not a big girl who dives about and cries. Remember few back Nicholas Walsh made him leave the pitch in tears LOL!) But the Sean's defo have fair bit in common in that they cry to officials and love running to the media!
Think Cavan cud do without him, think they'll be dark horses next year, hopefully they'll take the Farney prima donnas 8)
Big, brave boy you are. Nicholas Walsh lowered himself to the level of a sewer rat that day. For all this talk of what the GAA is and isn't about with transfers and outside managers etc, it definitely isn't about carrying out the dirty act Walsh did.
But maybe that's accepted in Armagh.
Oh how brave you are slabbering about mckeever, on a cavan issue?? Lets face it BIG sean is a yap and god forbid if you touch him, afterall even if you do legimately tackle him he'll fall like a bag of shite, real manly stuff!! ;D
You have an issue with Walsh cos he was sent to do a man marking job, which he done, but because the ref didnt listen to the fairy's whining, what did he do?!? Yip thats right, Cry like a baby!!! Lol
Oh and kneeing people on the ground, grabbing boys by the balls, and sticking digits up opposition orifices :'( are tactics reserved purely for footy in the HARTEland! Stand by for the denials lol (sticky fingers Ricey & Gormley ;)) And thats really brave manly stuff!! :P
Walsh let himself and Cavan down that day. They annihilated us in the replay and went on to win the All Ireland.
Speaking of fingers in orifices I recently heard a good one from a Galway legend about McGeeney fishhooking him coming out of the dressing rooms before a league game. Not much wonder they're now the scummiest team in the country. And their support in the stand isn't a whole lot better from my experience.
Quote from: Westside on January 17, 2015, 12:48:42 PM
Walsh let himself and Cavan down that day. They annihilated us in the replay and went on to win the All Ireland.
Speaking of fingers in orifices I recently heard a good one from a Galway legend about McGeeney fishhooking him coming out of the dressing rooms before a league game. Not much wonder they're now the scummiest team in the country. And their support in the stand isn't a whole lot better from my experience.
Doesnt take away from the fact that BIG Sean cried like a baby cos he didnt get his own way! Nd you wud have been hammered the 1st day if Walsh didn't do it! And poor Seans still yapping and whinging, it's getting pityful at this stage he should have retired gracefully last year, but stubbornance made him hang around for another Mckenna Cup triumph! 8)
I'd like to hear that 1 about mcgeeney alrite, 1 thing about him is if he needed to say something or do something he wouldn't be sneaky bout it! Nd hes big mates with Joyce and a lot of them boys over there!
Scummy team lol, this coming from a team thats hated for playing 15 men behind the ball and still cant win lol! You obviously still hurting cos we stood behind your flag and youse were found out to be gutless c***ts, crying cos Dunne was "targeted" yet the yella wee whoe hit somebody lying on the ground! ;)
This wasn't Joyce and he certainly didn't see McGeeney as a mate! Nothing sneaky about fishooking a lad outside a dressing room well before you get within the sights of the referee? Interesting. And now he's whinging about protection for Jamie.. Hope he's worth the money you're shelling out for him.
Cavanagh can retire gracefully whenever he likes and will go down as one of Tyrone and Ulster's greatest. I suppose you're constant need to attack him shows the inferiority complex that perhaps gives rise to the bitterness displayed by your countymen.
Also, what word is c***ts? There's only 5 letters in that word shouldn't be too hard to spell even for an Armagh man.
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Anyone know a good therapist?
Quote from: orange on January 17, 2015, 11:49:18 AM
Quote from: Max Payne on January 17, 2015, 10:42:09 AM
Quote from: orange on January 17, 2015, 09:08:07 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 17, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
Lads, could we not get him a job, apartment, girlfriend or some sheep in Tyrone. With Stevie O gone we need a new God for Ciaran McKeever to fall in love with and stop courting big Sean Can.
Id say you could DEFINITELY get him a boyfriend on the Tyrone panel! ;) ::)
And dunno if Seanie wud go down as easy as Big Sean, diving cheat (shouldn't use thd word "big"as that infers that hes a big strong physical man, not a big girl who dives about and cries. Remember few back Nicholas Walsh made him leave the pitch in tears LOL!) But the Sean's defo have fair bit in common in that they cry to officials and love running to the media!
Think Cavan cud do without him, think they'll be dark horses next year, hopefully they'll take the Farney prima donnas 8)
Big, brave boy you are. Nicholas Walsh lowered himself to the level of a sewer rat that day. For all this talk of what the GAA is and isn't about with transfers and outside managers etc, it definitely isn't about carrying out the dirty act Walsh did.
But maybe that's accepted in Armagh.
Oh how brave you are slabbering about mckeever, on a cavan issue?? Lets face it BIG sean is a yap and god forbid if you touch him, afterall even if you do legimately tackle him he'll fall like a bag of shite, real manly stuff!! ;D
You have an issue with Walsh cos he was sent to do a man marking job, which he done, but because the ref didnt listen to the fairy's whining, what did he do?!? Yip thats right, Cry like a baby!!! Lol
Oh and kneeing people on the ground, grabbing boys by the balls, and sticking digits up opposition orifices :'( are tactics reserved purely for footy in the HARTEland! Stand by for the denials lol (sticky fingers Ricey & Gormley ;)) And thats really brave manly stuff!! :P
I hope your going on Wednesday night to see big sean in action. In your opinion is he the greatest woman ever to play the game?
Big Francie didn't think he was a woman the day he ran into him in croke park in 2005.
Would Francie know a woman if he saw wan
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 19, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
Would Francie know a woman if he saw wan
actually Francie's bird used to be my account manager.
lovely girl too.
not sure if he married her or not in the end.
It's a pity Seanie J can't monetize his fascinating personality- like becoming a baddie in pro wresting or something.
I think orange must have monetized the use of the exclamation mark, he's rather free with its usage and either he's on commission or lives his life teetering constantly on the verge of orgasm.
So it looks like the bold Seanie is back with Cavan. Live and let live.
Quote from: heffo on December 16, 2015, 08:45:21 AM
So it looks like the bold Seanie is back with Cavan. Live and let live.
Easy for you to say Heffo
Quote from: Old yeller on December 16, 2015, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: heffo on December 16, 2015, 08:45:21 AM
So it looks like the bold Seanie is back with Cavan. Live and let live.
Easy for you to say Heffo
Easy to say what?
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
Quote from: Old yeller on December 16, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on December 16, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on December 16, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for anumber ofa years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
With all the bad feeling it will create among fans and possibly the players themselves I dont see how it will be worth it in the long run. Hyland's entire reign has been geared towards building a team for the future, how does bringing back a 31 year old ,who Hyland helped get rid of in the first place, help? We are definitely short on scoring forwards, there is no doubt about that. There are other options though, getting Eugene Keating back would be a far greater use of the managements time. Hyland's last year in charge, a lot of pressure on after a terrible year last year, it seems like a bit of a hail mary to me
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on December 16, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
Quote from: Esmarelda on December 16, 2015, 08:55:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Quote from: Old yeller on December 16, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 16, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
Indeed, what is the motivation for such a reckless decision. Desperation can be the only answer.
I can't see Johnston making hay at intercounty level now that defences are even more packed than when he played before. Remember, kildare were crying out for scoring forwards back when Seanie decided that kicking up an almighty fuss, dividing the county, engaging in months of political chicanery with the GAA top brass, becoming a farcical temporary hurler with a solitary ESB bill to his name and relishing the arrogant kicking of a point for his new team in front of his own people, was ALL somehow preferable to hashing out his differences with Val Andrews, being a proper team player and knuckling down and playing his way back on to the panel like others also dropped at the time.
He didn't set the world alight with kildare and McGeeney obviously didn't like what he saw once he got him under his eye and under his thumb.
The simple truth as I see it is that the lad's a big time Charlie with notions of himself, he has nothing to offer except copious amounts of baggage and this is a massive backwards step for a desperately out-of-ideas Terry Hyland. Who knows, maybe advancing age and the cold hand of encroaching retirement has altered Seanie's world view and he's a different man, but nothing he has done up to now suggests that's likely.
If it all somehow works out, good luck to all involved, but I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on December 17, 2015, 03:32:29 AM
I can't see Johnston making hay at intercounty level now that defences are even more packed than when he played before. Remember, kildare were crying out for scoring forwards back when Seanie decided that kicking up an almighty fuss, dividing the county, engaging in months of political chicanery with the GAA top brass, becoming a farcical temporary hurler with a solitary ESB bill to his name and relishing the arrogant kicking of a point for his new team in front of his own people, was ALL somehow preferable to hashing out his differences with Val Andrews, being a proper team player and knuckling down and playing his way back on to the panel like others also dropped at the time.
He didn't set the world alight with kildare and McGeeney obviously didn't like what he saw once he got him under his eye and under his thumb.
The simple truth as I see it is that the lad's a big time Charlie with notions of himself, he has nothing to offer except copious amounts of baggage and this is a massive backwards step for a desperately out-of-ideas Terry Hyland. Who knows, maybe advancing age and the cold hand of encroaching retirement has altered Seanie's world view and he's a different man, but nothing he has done up to now suggests that's likely.
If it all somehow works out, good luck to all involved, but I won't hold my breath.
Wouldn't it be mad ifvCavan won the All Ireland with SJ scoring the winning point?
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Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
No it isn't and I don't particularly like SJ either. But either Hyland selects his panel or he doesn't; just as you can't half dig a hole or half turn a light on, Hyland can't half pick his side. Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission.
It's tough but that's the way it is.
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Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
No it isn't and I don't particularly like SJ either. But either Hyland selects his panel or he doesn't; just as you can't half dig a hole or half turn a light on, Hyland can't half pick his side. Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission.
It's tough but that's the way it is.
Your point of view is perfectly valid but that's not what you said initially. You said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him."
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Wouldn't it be mad ifvCavan won the All Ireland...
Fixed that for you there Seafoid :P
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Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
No it isn't and I don't particularly like SJ either. But either Hyland selects his panel or he doesn't; just as you can't half dig a hole or half turn a light on, Hyland can't half pick his side. Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission.
It's tough but that's the way it is.
Your point of view is perfectly valid but that's not what you said initially. You said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him."
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I don't follow you here. Sure I said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score." I did
not state that that the ability t score must be the only criterion to go by.
I also said ". Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission."
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Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
No it isn't and I don't particularly like SJ either. But either Hyland selects his panel or he doesn't; just as you can't half dig a hole or half turn a light on, Hyland can't half pick his side. Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission.
It's tough but that's the way it is.
Your point of view is perfectly valid but that's not what you said initially. You said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him."
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I don't follow you here. Sure I said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score." I did not state that that the ability t score must be the only criterion to go by.
I also said ". Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission."
Well I don't want to split hairs over interpretation but you did follow it up with "everything else should be noise" which suggests that his ability to score is all that matters. I accept your explanation however.
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Any buckeen willing to put the effort to play county football deserves respect. Cavan's forwards have been in a slumber for a years - it's hard to make a case Seanie doesn't have the skills to be a part of the current Cavan panel. Good on Hyland for being the bigger man.
When was the last time you saw him play? He hasnt played fir Cavan since 2011 and barely kicked a ball for his club since either.
I've seen the Cavan forwards play yearly in the intervening years. Ye couldn't beat us with the deck stacked in your favour this year (we were hardly going great guns - losses to Sligo and Fermanagh sandwiched that match) because ye had no one who could consistently take their scores, and you played your second best midfielder as a FF to no effects such was your desperation to manufacture a cutting edge.
Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him.
+1
Believe it or not, Syf I totally agree with you!
I find that position very narrow-minded.
So his ability to score is all that matters? His work-rate, his influence over the team, his attitude? All irrelevant. What I don't understand is why Hyland decided to bring him back now rather than any of the previous few years.
No it isn't and I don't particularly like SJ either. But either Hyland selects his panel or he doesn't; just as you can't half dig a hole or half turn a light on, Hyland can't half pick his side. Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission.
It's tough but that's the way it is.
Your point of view is perfectly valid but that's not what you said initially. You said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score. The rest should be noise for him."
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I don't follow you here. Sure I said "Hyland should run the rule over anyone with the potential to help Cavan score." I did not state that that the ability t score must be the only criterion to go by.
I also said ". Now if he sees something in Seanie that would be to Cavan's advantage, he is entitled to select him without seeking anybody else's permission."
Well I don't want to split hairs over interpretation but you did follow it up with "everything else should be noise" which suggests that his ability to score is all that matters. I accept your explanation however.
You're doing a bad job reading that Lar 'quote'..
124 pages. Deeply felt.
But Cavan are treading water.
A great county with as many all irelands as MGHU and Ros combined
Deep in the DNA is that killer instinct.
Best of luck to him.
Wouldn't it be ironic if he helps Cavan to an AI title and gets an All Star award.
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Wouldn't it be ironic if he helps Cavan to an AI title and gets an All Star award.
Ros v Cavan AISF in Sept. Just need to win the province and beat a qualifier. Deadly. Ros to win of course.
He had a cracking game today...
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He had a cracking game today...
Seanie being clapped off the field in Breffni brought this story full circle. Good to see everyone moving on.
There won't be a cow milked in Straffan tonight.
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He had a cracking game today...
Seanie being clapped off the field in Breffni brought this story full circle. Good to see everyone moving on.
Ironically against the Manager who orchestrated his move away!
That bit of hurling he played sharpened him up no end.
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That bit of hurling he played sharpened him up no end.
;D ;D ;D
Seanie being clapped off the field in Breffni brought this story full circle. Good to see everyone moving on.
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Some people who don't want him playing don't attend, that's part of the reason. Armagh out numbered Cavan in Breffni. Its hard to stay away but don't want to see that turncoat in my county jersey.
Grow up.
He wasn't on the Cavan panel when he got the "offer"
Grow up? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What if Diarmud Murtagh or Senan Kilbride pulled that stunt? Although they are better players than this tool. He was being dropped, didn't give them the chance, and looked for glory elsewhere. Still worked in Cavan all that time. Never apologised for his actions either.
Support your team and all who are chosen to play for them or are on the panel.
I've always supported my county and travel to all McKenna Cup, League and Championship. haven't seen this team since 2015. had to give away my McKenna cup pass at Christmas once I heard the news.
I still support but wont attend. His actions in the media and in Breffni Park in the qualifiers wont be forgotten.
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 11:42:42 AM
I've always supported my county and travel to all McKenna Cup, League and Championship. haven't seen this team since 2015. had to give away my McKenna cup pass at Christmas once I heard the news.
I still support but wont attend. His actions in the media and in Breffni Park in the qualifiers wont be forgotten.
I was in Breffni that day, a minority of Cavan supporters were an embarrassment to their fellow supporters and the Cavan players and a disgrace to themselves with some of the vile abuse Seanie Johnston got. If Seanie is capable of putting that behind him he is obviously a more honourable man than someone who chooses to stay away.
That day in Breffni I wouldn't boo or say anything about him. I actually told people beside me to be quiet. That would be too much.
Honourable? Lying to the GAA and to the media to attain a transfer honourable (come to my house for tea!!), then having the guile to go to Cavan Gales to ask them to pay the transfer expenses? At least he only got travelling expenses from Straffan to Newbridge.
Honourable? I missed the apology.
Apologise for what exactly? Succeeding in manipulating rules to allow himself to play inter-county football? Everyone knows it was a sham, but the GAA deemed he was allowed play, should the GAA not be apologising as well for facilitating it? SJ was ill advised and your ire should be at Kieran McGeeney and the Kildare supporters club, McGeeney thought he saw an opportunity to bring in a quality forward to the Kildare set-up and being focused on winning and success didn't see the bigger picture. That bigger picture is that transfer set Kildare back by at least two years, hindsight is a wonderful thing but SJ like all players is focused purely on himself, he made mistakes no doubt, apologise though what kind of self-entitlement demands that?
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 12:36:38 PM
That day in Breffni I wouldn't boo or say anything about him. I actually told people beside me to be quiet. That would be too much.
Honourable? Lying to the GAA and to the media to attain a transfer honourable (come to my house for tea!!), then having the guile to go to Cavan Gales to ask them to pay the transfer expenses? At least he only got travelling expenses from Straffan to Newbridge.
Honourable? I missed the apology.
What expenses, surely you don't mean that he was looking expenses off Cavan Gaels to travel back and forth to training for Kildare county team??
Apologise for the brazen lies to suit himself.
He was about to be dropped of the panel, he was informed by a club man. Val Andrews rang and he hung up on him after obscenities. Then tell media he was dropped after a 4 second phone call! He fceking hung up!!!
He wasn't the first lad to every be dropped off a panel but he threw his toys out of the pram straight away. Then with the public lies to facilitate the transfer that has been mentioned once or thrice in this forum.
The final nail in the coffin was the way the had to get his point in Breffni, no matter what, albeit a free. Rub salt into the supporters that cheered him on for years!
I initially responded to the remark "that the story of this person has come full circle, I am not the only person staying away because of this tool". To a lot of Cavan people it will never be full circle. Again I reiterate, I always support my County, but will not attend a Cavan game with him on the panel.
I know a good few people staying away for the same reasons.
Armagh outnumbered Cavan in Breffni on the 29th.
Some balls on Seanie to come back. Cavan97 smacks of a troll so I'd be careful if I were ye and not get wound up.
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 12:36:38 PM
That day in Breffni I wouldn't boo or say anything about him. I actually told people beside me to be quiet. That would be too much.
Honourable? Lying to the GAA and to the media to attain a transfer honourable (come to my house for tea!!), then having the guile to go to Cavan Gales to ask them to pay the transfer expenses? At least he only got travelling expenses from Straffan to Newbridge.
Honourable? I missed the apology.
So what you're saying is your weren't man enough to express your opinion in an environment where you were publically known but you're more than happy to call him a 'tool' behind a pseudonym on a GAA forum. Top marks for that.
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
Apologise for the brazen lies to suit himself.
He was about to be dropped of the panel, he was informed by a club man. Val Andrews rang and he hung up on him after obscenities. Then tell media he was dropped after a 4 second phone call! He fceking hung up!!!
He wasn't the first lad to every be dropped off a panel but he threw his toys out of the pram straight away. Then with the public lies to facilitate the transfer that has been mentioned once or thrice in this forum.
The final nail in the coffin was the way the had to get his point in Breffni, no matter what, albeit a free. Rub salt into the supporters that cheered him on for years!
I initially responded to the remark "that the story of this person has come full circle, I am not the only person staying away because of this tool". To a lot of Cavan people it will never be full circle. Again I reiterate, I always support my County, but will not attend a Cavan game with him on the panel.
I know a good few people staying away for the same reasons.
Armagh outnumbered Cavan in Breffni on the 29th.
You've made that point a few times now which is very debatable anyway. But lets say it is true, surely your not implying that hundreds/thousands of Cavan fans stayed away because Seanie Johnston is back playing with Cavan.
Johnston clearly has a brazen neck on him to do what he did but I doubt both Cavan county team and particularly Cavan Gaels would be so welcoming to bring him back if he had the attitude that you are suggesting he has.
No I'm not a troll, I just don't think it should be seen as all sweet in the garden with supporters is all.
As not saying anything in Breffni park, at the time I felt I didn't want to acknowledge him and react. Would you rather I booed and hurled abuse? Okay you might say what have I being doing here and yes that's true. I called him a tool and I acknowledge that. That was inappropriate. I was reacting to other posts. After Breffni, It really did hurt supporters at the time but that was okay because Cavan moved on and developed without him and it was only when he was brought back on the panel that I decided to not attend.
In the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people feel move on, others he as dead right to do what he did, others it was a mistake get over it.
I wont attend, other people wont attend. No big news story there. But he's not going to be wholeheartedly embraced back by everyone. There is no full circle in this story for everyone.
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 01:25:42 PM
No I'm not a troll, I just don't think it should be seen as all sweet in the garden with supporters is all.
As not saying anything in Breffni park, at the time I felt I didn't want to acknowledge him and react. Would you rather I booed and hurled abuse? Okay you might say what have I being doing here and yes that's true. I called him a tool and I acknowledge that. That was inappropriate. I was reacting to other posts. After Breffni, It really did hurt supporters at the time but that was okay because Cavan moved on and developed without him and it was only when he was brought back on the panel that I decided to not attend.
In the end of the day everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some people feel move on, others he as dead right to do what he did, others it was a mistake get over it.
I wont attend, other people wont attend. No big news story there. But he's not going to be wholeheartedly embraced back by everyone. There is no full circle in this story for everyone.
He didn't want to play for Cavan for what could be seen as frivolous reasons and you now don't want to support Cavan for probably equally frivolous reasons.
You have a lot in common with Seanie. ;)
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Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 12:36:38 PM
That day in Breffni I wouldn't boo or say anything about him. I actually told people beside me to be quiet. That would be too much.
Honourable? Lying to the GAA and to the media to attain a transfer honourable (come to my house for tea!!), then having the guile to go to Cavan Gales to ask them to pay the transfer expenses? At least he only got travelling expenses from Straffan to Newbridge.
Honourable? I missed the apology.
What expenses, surely you don't mean that he was looking expenses off Cavan Gaels to travel back and forth to training for Kildare county team??
The expenses remark may be that when SJ originally went looking for a move he tried and failed to transfer to Kildare while staying with Cavan Gaels. It failed and he want to go the legal route with it which was I think 10k estimated cost which SJ wanted to get the Gaels to pay for. They refused so he went to plan B, a pretend move to Straffan and a transfer to another club.
I don't want to dig this all up again. However, I think a lot of what Cavan97 says is true. There are a large minority staying away. I know of about 7/8 people in my circle of friends who cannot bring themselves to watch him. These are the hard core supporters that go to games when others don't, the sunshine boys couldnt care less if Cavan started Jack the Ripper at Full Forward as long as they were winning. Whether SJ apologised or not to his team mates or manager we may never know, I certainly got the feeling he regrets what he did. Maybe that the same and maybe it isnt.
I dont particularly like the guy and I certainly do not like what he did and what he put Cavan GAA through. I have nothing but contempt for Kildare and McGeeney for their part in this and I look forward to seeing both beaten this year and for many years to come, especially their sad supporters with their "Seanie is a lillie" posters! However, its time to move on. Terry Hyland dropped Johnston. Johnston went back to Hyland to try and rejoin the panel this year- not the other way around as some are saying, whatever was agreed Hyland let him rejoin. If Terry is happy as the man on the inside who is 100% Cavan to the core and the man who knows the whole truth of the matter, then I respect his decision to let SJ return and I say move on.
I understand the pain Cavan97 but trust in Terry I say.
Quote from: Itchy on June 09, 2016, 01:44:51 PM
I don't want to dig this all up again. However, I think a lot of what Cavan97 says is true. There are a large minority staying away. I know of about 7/8 people in my circle of friends who cannot bring themselves to watch him. These are the hard core supporters that go to games when others don't, the sunshine boys couldnt care less if Cavan started Jack the Ripper at Full Forward as long as they were winning. Whether SJ apologised or not to his team mates or manager we may never know, I certainly got the feeling he regrets what he did. Maybe that the same and maybe it isnt.
I dont particularly like the guy and I certainly do not like what he did and what he put Cavan GAA through. I have nothing but contempt for Kildare and McGeeney for their part in this and I look forward to seeing both beaten this year and for many years to come, especially their sad supporters with their "Seanie is a lillie" posters! However, its time to move on. Terry Hyland dropped Johnston. Johnston went back to Hyland to try and rejoin the panel this year- not the other way around as some are saying, whatever was agreed Hyland let him rejoin. If Terry is happy as the man on the inside who is 100% Cavan to the core and the man who knows the whole truth of the matter, then I respect his decision to let SJ return and I say move on.
I understand the pain Cavan97 but trust in Terry I say.
A great man to knife through the defence.
Interesting take on things and understandable in many ways. Its all well and good posters from other counties criticising Cavan97 for his stance but its impossible to know how you would react until it happened one of your own. Whatever way you look on it, it was a blatant act of betrayal
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
Apologise for the brazen lies to suit himself.
He was about to be dropped of the panel, he was informed by a club man. Val Andrews rang and he hung up on him after obscenities. Then tell media he was dropped after a 4 second phone call! He fceking hung up!!!
He wasn't the first lad to every be dropped off a panel but he threw his toys out of the pram straight away. Then with the public lies to facilitate the transfer that has been mentioned once or thrice in this forum.
The final nail in the coffin was the way the had to get his point in Breffni, no matter what, albeit a free. Rub salt into the supporters that cheered him on for years!
I initially responded to the remark "that the story of this person has come full circle, I am not the only person staying away because of this tool". To a lot of Cavan people it will never be full circle. Again I reiterate, I always support my County, but will not attend a Cavan game with him on the panel.
I know a good few people staying away for the same reasons.
Armagh outnumbered Cavan in Breffni on the 29th.
If you don't go to Cavan games how do you know Armagh out numbered Cavan? Did you do a quick head count while watching on tv? I read in one of the papers the day after the game that Cavan sold over twice as many tickets as Armagh for the game.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Interesting take on things and understandable in many ways. Its all well and good posters from other counties criticising Cavan97 for his stance but its impossible to know how you would react until it happened one of your own. Whatever way you look on it, it was a blatant act of betrayal
I'll never forgive Cathal Sheridan for transferring to Kildare.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 09, 2016, 12:51:34 PM
Apologise for what exactly? Succeeding in manipulating rules to allow himself to play inter-county football? Everyone knows it was a sham, but the GAA deemed he was allowed play, should the GAA not be apologising as well for facilitating it? SJ was ill advised and your ire should be at Kieran McGeeney and the Kildare supporters club, McGeeney thought he saw an opportunity to bring in a quality forward to the Kildare set-up and being focused on winning and success didn't see the bigger picture. That bigger picture is that transfer set Kildare back by at least two years, hindsight is a wonderful thing but SJ like all players is focused purely on himself, he made mistakes no doubt, apologise though what kind of self-entitlement demands that?
Two years is probably being conservative. There are other issues at play also but it's fair to say that this embarrassing episode was the catalyst for a lot of the upheaval off the field in Kildare in recent times.
It's good to see him back playing for his native county now but I can see how it's still a sore point for many in Cavan and Kildare (and maybe some in Armagh too!).
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Interesting take on things and understandable in many ways. Its all well and good posters from other counties criticising Cavan97 for his stance but its impossible to know how you would react until it happened one of your own. Whatever way you look on it, it was a blatant act of betrayal
I'll never forgive Cathal Sheridan for transferring to Kildare.
I'll never forgive Cathal Sheridan for transferring to Meath.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 09, 2016, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 09, 2016, 12:51:34 PM
Apologise for what exactly? Succeeding in manipulating rules to allow himself to play inter-county football? Everyone knows it was a sham, but the GAA deemed he was allowed play, should the GAA not be apologising as well for facilitating it? SJ was ill advised and your ire should be at Kieran McGeeney and the Kildare supporters club, McGeeney thought he saw an opportunity to bring in a quality forward to the Kildare set-up and being focused on winning and success didn't see the bigger picture. That bigger picture is that transfer set Kildare back by at least two years, hindsight is a wonderful thing but SJ like all players is focused purely on himself, he made mistakes no doubt, apologise though what kind of self-entitlement demands that?
Two years is probably being conservative. There are other issues at play also but it's fair to say that this embarrassing episode was the catalyst for a lot of the upheaval off the field in Kildare in recent times.
Not least McGeeney offering John Fogarty outside for asking about Shane Supple
I agree completely with Itchy and yellowcard on this.
It's a bit much hearing lads coming on and criticising Cavan97 for having the feelings he has. Try to put yourself in his shoes. Johnston is back and it seems (unless I missed something) that it's swept under the carpet as if to suggest what happened was all ok. Has anyone on the Cavan side addressed what happened? I don't think it was ok and the blame lies with the Kildare management and Johnston himself.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be back on the Cavan panel but I'm guessing that true Cavan supporters are the ones best positioned to make that call.
Cavan97 seems to respect both sides and is voting with his feet which I respect in turn.
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 09, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
I agree completely with Itchy and yellowcard on this.
It's a bit much hearing lads coming on and criticising Cavan97 for having the feelings he has. Try to put yourself in his shoes. Johnston is back and it seems (unless I missed something) that it's swept under the carpet as if to suggest what happened was all ok. Has anyone on the Cavan side addressed what happened? I don't think it was ok and the blame lies with the Kildare management and Johnston himself.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be back on the Cavan panel but I'm guessing that true Cavan supporters are the ones best positioned to make that call.
Cavan97 seems to respect both sides and is voting with his feet which I respect in turn.
Is he respecting the rest of the Cavan team and management by boycotting them?
Quote from: muppet on June 09, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 09, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
I agree completely with Itchy and yellowcard on this.
It's a bit much hearing lads coming on and criticising Cavan97 for having the feelings he has. Try to put yourself in his shoes. Johnston is back and it seems (unless I missed something) that it's swept under the carpet as if to suggest what happened was all ok. Has anyone on the Cavan side addressed what happened? I don't think it was ok and the blame lies with the Kildare management and Johnston himself.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be back on the Cavan panel but I'm guessing that true Cavan supporters are the ones best positioned to make that call.
Cavan97 seems to respect both sides and is voting with his feet which I respect in turn.
Is he respecting the rest of the Cavan team and management by boycotting them?
I don't see how not attending a game is disrespecting anyone. Is that what you're suggesting?
Quote from: Cavan97 on June 09, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
Apologise for the brazen lies to suit himself.
He was about to be dropped of the panel, he was informed by a club man. Val Andrews rang and he hung up on him after obscenities. Then tell media he was dropped after a 4 second phone call! He fceking hung up!!!
He wasn't the first lad to every be dropped off a panel but he threw his toys out of the pram straight away. Then with the public lies to facilitate the transfer that has been mentioned once or thrice in this forum.
The final nail in the coffin was the way the had to get his point in Breffni, no matter what, albeit a free. Rub salt into the supporters that cheered him on for years!
I initially responded to the remark "that the story of this person has come full circle, I am not the only person staying away because of this tool". To a lot of Cavan people it will never be full circle. Again I reiterate, I always support my County, but will not attend a Cavan game with him on the panel.
I know a good few people staying away for the same reasons.
Armagh outnumbered Cavan in Breffni on the 29th.
they certainly did not
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Interesting take on things and understandable in many ways. Its all well and good posters from other counties criticising Cavan97 for his stance but its impossible to know how you would react until it happened one of your own. Whatever way you look on it, it was a blatant act of betrayal
I'll never forgive Cathal Sheridan for transferring to Kildare.
I'd not forgiven, but forgotten.
I never thought he would be back. When it was announced he was back in training I thought it was a sign of desperation from Terry. As things unfolded though it looks like Johnston approached Terry, what would be required of him was plainly set out and agreed upon. As it turns out he is a useful cog in the best Cavan panel we have had in years. His attitude on the field has completely changed and if he's play acting as a lad who just wants to contribute and help bring the younger players along, he's doing it very well.
I think he is and always will be the type of guy who wants the limelight, he's arrogant, but I think he has grown up a bit. As long as he keeps contributing and Terry is happy that his presence is causing no disruption then I have no issue with him being back. Itchy's right, we have to trust Terry on this one and to be fair, it's already proven to be a good decision.
For those staying away because of his presence, I wonder what they think they are achieving. Who are they sticking it to? Do they watch the game on TV or is that not allowed either? Do they hope we win or lose? The team is full of lads that have given us some fantastic games and victories and performances both individually and as a team at underage and senior level. I believe they deserve my support even if one among them isn't entirely to my liking. If Cavan went on to win Ulster at some point with Johnston in the side, would it be worth missing it because Johnston once kicked a meaningless free against us in a Kildare jersey one day?
Quote from: Hardy on June 09, 2016, 03:27:44 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on June 09, 2016, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 09, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Interesting take on things and understandable in many ways. Its all well and good posters from other counties criticising Cavan97 for his stance but its impossible to know how you would react until it happened one of your own. Whatever way you look on it, it was a blatant act of betrayal
I'll never forgive Cathal Sheridan for transferring to Kildare.
I'd not forgiven, but forgotten.
He would runaway.
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 09, 2016, 02:55:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 09, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 09, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
I agree completely with Itchy and yellowcard on this.
It's a bit much hearing lads coming on and criticising Cavan97 for having the feelings he has. Try to put yourself in his shoes. Johnston is back and it seems (unless I missed something) that it's swept under the carpet as if to suggest what happened was all ok. Has anyone on the Cavan side addressed what happened? I don't think it was ok and the blame lies with the Kildare management and Johnston himself.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be back on the Cavan panel but I'm guessing that true Cavan supporters are the ones best positioned to make that call.
Cavan97 seems to respect both sides and is voting with his feet which I respect in turn.
Is he respecting the rest of the Cavan team and management by boycotting them?
I don't see how not attending a game is disrespecting anyone. Is that what you're suggesting?
Choosing not to attend is simply not supporting them. I think he was saying he didn't attend in protest, which would be a boycott. Maybe I simply picked him up wrong and he doesn't go for other reasons.
Well some lads aren't attending as they can't stomach seeing him in a Cavan jersey. Not sure that's a protest or "sticking it" to anyone.
Quote from: muppet on June 09, 2016, 06:32:33 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 09, 2016, 02:55:42 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 09, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 09, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
I agree completely with Itchy and yellowcard on this.
It's a bit much hearing lads coming on and criticising Cavan97 for having the feelings he has. Try to put yourself in his shoes. Johnston is back and it seems (unless I missed something) that it's swept under the carpet as if to suggest what happened was all ok. Has anyone on the Cavan side addressed what happened? I don't think it was ok and the blame lies with the Kildare management and Johnston himself.
I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be back on the Cavan panel but I'm guessing that true Cavan supporters are the ones best positioned to make that call.
Cavan97 seems to respect both sides and is voting with his feet which I respect in turn.
Is he respecting the rest of the Cavan team and management by boycotting them?
I don't see how not attending a game is disrespecting anyone. Is that what you're suggesting?
Choosing not to attend is simply not supporting them. I think he was saying he didn't attend in protest, which would be a boycott. Maybe I simply picked him up wrong and he doesn't go for other reasons.
Sure we all have our reasons for not going to watch Cavan.
If any Cavan man, woman or child won't go see their county play because they don't like one of the players they are misguided at best and simpletons at worst.
Quote from: Syferus on June 09, 2016, 08:29:02 PM
If any Cavan man, woman or child won't go see their county play because they don't like one of the players they are misguided at best and simpletons at worst.
You'd know all about simpletons, no finer example than yourself exists on this board.
Quote from: Itchy on June 09, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
Well some lads aren't attending as they can't stomach seeing him in a Cavan jersey. Not sure that's a protest or "sticking it" to anyone.
I really believe that if you cared that deeply about Cavan football that it would sicken you to see Seanie back in the Cavan jersey, you would stomach seeing him in the jersey to be a part of supporting this side. I can't see how you could be so attached to something yet you would walk away from it when one small facet of it isn't to your liking. Each to their own I suppose but I find it a bizarre mindset.
Armagh had a huge crowd in Breffni in 2013 too, probably as much as Cavan. I don't think an argument can be made that the attendance at Cavan games has been in any way materially affected by Johnston's presence.
Quote from: Westside on June 09, 2016, 05:55:10 PM
I never thought he would be back. When it was announced he was back in training I thought it was a sign of desperation from Terry. As things unfolded though it looks like Johnston approached Terry, what would be required of him was plainly set out and agreed upon. As it turns out he is a useful cog in the best Cavan panel we have had in years. His attitude on the field has completely changed and if he's play acting as a lad who just wants to contribute and help bring the younger players along, he's doing it very well.
I think he is and always will be the type of guy who wants the limelight, he's arrogant, but I think he has grown up a bit. As long as he keeps contributing and Terry is happy that his presence is causing no disruption then I have no issue with him being back. Itchy's right, we have to trust Terry on this one and to be fair, it's already proven to be a good decision.
For those staying away because of his presence, I wonder what they think they are achieving. Who are they sticking it to? Do they watch the game on TV or is that not allowed either? Do they hope we win or lose? The team is full of lads that have given us some fantastic games and victories and performances both individually and as a team at underage and senior level. I believe they deserve my support even if one among them isn't entirely to my liking. If Cavan went on to win Ulster at some point with Johnston in the side, would it be worth missing it because Johnston once kicked a meaningless free against us in a Kildare jersey one day?
My feelings as well. Initially I thought Hyland was in desperation but it looks more like it was actually Seanie who was the desperate one when he went back cap in hand, presumably contrite, to ask to come back. He could see the last few years of his ability slipping down the hour glass, I think, and with the maturity that added years bring, I think he genuinely has copped himself on quite a bit.
He certainly doesn't play like the Johnny Big Balls/tantrum thrower/superstar/me me me me player he always struck me as, as the Kildare saga and his arrogance back then all too vividly illustrated. Like the post says, if Terry brought him back it must have been on acceptable terms and after ascertaining that Seanie is a different man these days.
I fully respect Cavan97's opinion on it though. It wasn't so much what Johnston did as the way he did it - for some, his new demeanour is enough to allow us to move on, for some others, it's not. And that's fair enough by me.
Quote from: Westside on June 09, 2016, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 09, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
Well some lads aren't attending as they can't stomach seeing him in a Cavan jersey. Not sure that's a protest or "sticking it" to anyone.
I really believe that if you cared that deeply about Cavan football that it would sicken you to see Seanie back in the Cavan jersey, you would stomach seeing him in the jersey to be a part of supporting this side. I can't see how you could be so attached to something yet you would walk away from it when one small facet of it isn't to your liking. Each to their own I suppose but I find it a bizarre mindset.
Armagh had a huge crowd in Breffni in 2013 too, probably as much as Cavan. I don't think an argument can be made that the attendance at Cavan games has been in any way materially affected by Johnston's presence.
What I find bizarre is how you and others find it bizarre. Are you all telling me that there is no situation where you wouldn't support your county?
What if your county ended up being something like Parnells? Imagine if a wealthy Roscommon/Mayo/Other businessman created imaginary jobs for eight-ten lads from Dublin or Kerry and you had half the team lining out for your county that had no connection. Come the end of the summer they were gone.
Now I know that's hypothetical and some people love the argument that they don't deal in hypotheticals but the point is that surely you can see that each person has a point where they say enough is enough?
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 10, 2016, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Westside on June 09, 2016, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 09, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
Well some lads aren't attending as they can't stomach seeing him in a Cavan jersey. Not sure that's a protest or "sticking it" to anyone.
I really believe that if you cared that deeply about Cavan football that it would sicken you to see Seanie back in the Cavan jersey, you would stomach seeing him in the jersey to be a part of supporting this side. I can't see how you could be so attached to something yet you would walk away from it when one small facet of it isn't to your liking. Each to their own I suppose but I find it a bizarre mindset.
Armagh had a huge crowd in Breffni in 2013 too, probably as much as Cavan. I don't think an argument can be made that the attendance at Cavan games has been in any way materially affected by Johnston's presence.
What I find bizarre is how you and others find it bizarre. Are you all telling me that there is no situation where you wouldn't support your county?
What if your county ended up being something like Parnells? Imagine if a wealthy Roscommon/Mayo/Other businessman created imaginary jobs for eight-ten lads from Dublin or Kerry and you had half the team lining out for your county that had no connection. Come the end of the summer they were gone.
Now I know that's hypothetical and some people love the argument that they don't deal in hypotheticals but the point is that surely you can see that each person has a point where they say enough is enough?
Obviously in the circumstance you have mentioned, it would be hard to have the same gra for your team. But that's a million miles away from the current situation. Johnston is one man among a team of players that any true Cavan supporter would have a great fondness for given what they've done for us over the last 5 years. He has shown nothing but the right attitude since coming back and the ego he has shown in the past isn't visible any longer.
If the people staying away are long term Cavan fans (who have only now decided to stop because of Seanie) they have gone out to support lads who have been at Oxegen the weekend of a Championship game, lads who went out and drank for days after a rare first round Championship win, teams comprised mainly of lads who just wanted to get some Cavan gear and then put in the minimum effort required. That's all ok but Johnston's return as one member of a motivated, hungry, proud team is now where the line is drawn?
You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to call it bullshit.
Quote from: Westside on June 10, 2016, 07:26:15 PM
Quote from: Esmarelda on June 10, 2016, 10:49:18 AM
Quote from: Westside on June 09, 2016, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on June 09, 2016, 06:41:48 PM
Well some lads aren't attending as they can't stomach seeing him in a Cavan jersey. Not sure that's a protest or "sticking it" to anyone.
I really believe that if you cared that deeply about Cavan football that it would sicken you to see Seanie back in the Cavan jersey, you would stomach seeing him in the jersey to be a part of supporting this side. I can't see how you could be so attached to something yet you would walk away from it when one small facet of it isn't to your liking. Each to their own I suppose but I find it a bizarre mindset.
Armagh had a huge crowd in Breffni in 2013 too, probably as much as Cavan. I don't think an argument can be made that the attendance at Cavan games has been in any way materially affected by Johnston's presence.
What I find bizarre is how you and others find it bizarre. Are you all telling me that there is no situation where you wouldn't support your county?
What if your county ended up being something like Parnells? Imagine if a wealthy Roscommon/Mayo/Other businessman created imaginary jobs for eight-ten lads from Dublin or Kerry and you had half the team lining out for your county that had no connection. Come the end of the summer they were gone.
Now I know that's hypothetical and some people love the argument that they don't deal in hypotheticals but the point is that surely you can see that each person has a point where they say enough is enough?
Obviously in the circumstance you have mentioned, it would be hard to have the same gra for your team. But that's a million miles away from the current situation. Johnston is one man among a team of players that any true Cavan supporter would have a great fondness for given what they've done for us over the last 5 years. He has shown nothing but the right attitude since coming back and the ego he has shown in the past isn't visible any longer.
If the people staying away are long term Cavan fans (who have only now decided to stop because of Seanie) they have gone out to support lads who have been at Oxegen the weekend of a Championship game, lads who went out and drank for days after a rare first round Championship win, teams comprised mainly of lads who just wanted to get some Cavan gear and then put in the minimum effort required. That's all ok but Johnston's return as one member of a motivated, hungry, proud team is now where the line is drawn?
You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm entitled to call it bullshit.
Well I have no idea what these incidents you're talking about relate to; whether they're factual, rumour or anything else.
All I'm saying is that people are entitled to look at what Johnston clearly did and make an informed decision. You're absolutely entitled to call it bullshit, that hardly needed to be said.
Let's say these incidents are factual (they are) would you consider it, in your own opinion, to be bizarre to stick with the team through that and then call it quits when Johnston comes back?
Quote from: Westside on June 11, 2016, 01:40:22 AM
Let's say these incidents are factual (they are) would you consider it, in your own opinion, to be bizarre to stick with the team through that and then call it quits when Johnston comes back?
Hard to make a call on it having not experienced any of the incidents, including the Johnston one.
However, drinking and disciplinary issues can be one-off mistake a young lad can make.
The Johnston saga seemed to me to be a case of repeated and determined efforts to go against the ethos of the game and to embarrass everyone involved. The lease in his name, the cup of tea comment, the fact that he was living and working in Cavan, the hurling and finally kicking the point against his own team.
Having just typed that out then I can actually answer your question "No", nothing comes close to his behaviour and I would see it as unique and I wouldn't blame anyone for turning away.
Westside, a lot of those incidents were rumour and no one knew for sure the truth of it. Quite a few never heard a word about it - it's not exactly the type of thing you read in the paper. Therefore there is no comparison to SJ. Personally I think your hard line on those not currently going to watch the team is very poor form considering many of those guys, like Cavan97, are season ticket holders/hardcore support.
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2016, 10:18:17 AM
Westside, a lot of those incidents were rumour and no one knew for sure the truth of it. Quite a few never heard a word about it - it's not exactly the type of thing you read in the paper. Therefore there is no comparison to SJ. Personally I think your hard line on those not currently going to watch the team is very poor form considering many of those guys, like Cavan97, are season ticket holders/hardcore support.
No one who stops supporting their county team for such a ridiculous reason is anything close to hardcore support.
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2016, 10:18:17 AM
Westside, a lot of those incidents were rumour and no one knew for sure the truth of it. Quite a few never heard a word about it - it's not exactly the type of thing you read in the paper. Therefore there is no comparison to SJ. Personally I think your hard line on those not currently going to watch the team is very poor form considering many of those guys, like Cavan97, are season ticket holders/hardcore support.
No one who stops supporting their county team for such a ridiculous reason is anything close to hardcore support.
Syphillis - you are a moron, what you say is irrelevant.
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2016, 12:05:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 11, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Quote from: Itchy on June 11, 2016, 10:18:17 AM
Westside, a lot of those incidents were rumour and no one knew for sure the truth of it. Quite a few never heard a word about it - it's not exactly the type of thing you read in the paper. Therefore there is no comparison to SJ. Personally I think your hard line on those not currently going to watch the team is very poor form considering many of those guys, like Cavan97, are season ticket holders/hardcore support.
No one who stops supporting their county team for such a ridiculous reason is anything close to hardcore support.
Syphillis - you are a moron, what you say is irrelevant.
The truth hurts Itchy, it's ok. I've heard some strange things but trying to say someone who does the above is a hardcore supporter is Tony Ferron levels of cognitive dissonance.
Anyone who stays away from Cavan games because of one player are not hardcore supporters.
Syphillis - you are a moron, what you say is irrelevant.
Would love to hear the conversation between SJ and McCarron ( if they're marking each other ) in the Tyr-Cavan game !!!
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 11, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Would love to hear the conversation between SJ and McCarron ( if they're marking each other ) in the Tyr-Cavan game !!!
Anyone know where you could pick up one of those long-distance eavesdropping microphone yokes at short notice?
Quote from: twohands!!! on June 11, 2016, 01:28:33 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 11, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Would love to hear the conversation between SJ and McCarron ( if they're marking each other ) in the Tyr-Cavan game !!!
Anyone know where you could pick up one of those long-distance eavesdropping microphone yokes at short notice?
You don't think he's got that and worse in Cavan club football? He doesn't care, one thing he has is thick skin.