Roscommon v Armagh

Started by illdecide, July 02, 2018, 10:06:15 AM

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Blowitupref

Roscommon team named. 3 changes from the Connacht final team with McDermott,Harney and Cathal Cregg coming into the side.

Colm Lavin (Eire Og)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Niall McInerney (St Brigids)
Sean McDermott (Western Gaels)
John McManus (Roscommon Gaels)
Peter Domican (St Brigids)
Conor Devaney (Kilbride)
Cathal Compton (Strokestown)
Tadgh O Rourke (Tulsk)
Ciarain Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Cathal Cregg (Western Gaels)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Donie Smith (Boyle)
Ultan Harney (Clann Na Gael)
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose


Rufus T Firefly

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Quote from: weareros on July 05, 2018, 05:25:40 PM
Was a great team. At the risk of irking our neighbours during their time of sorrow, they were the best team I ever saw never to win an All-Ireland. Three games in particular were thrown away: Armagh in 77, Dublin 79 and of course the All-Ireland in 1980. We were the architects of our own misfortune. Gay left an awful soft goal in that slipped through his hands in 77, Finneran should have started in 79, even then his goal of the year put us in a winning position. If we continued to play the type of football we did in semi-final win over Armagh, we would have beaten Kerry. Even O'Dwyer always maintained that is the one Kerry should have lost. Of course Ros got blamed for the foul fest. Kerry then were whiter than white and ref was too naive to see Spillane faking fouls, or catch their pulling and dragging on our forwards. We are a long time waiting to even get a schniff of Sam since.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but he let a howler in at the Canal goal in the 1980 semi-final - our third goal that day. You're not mixing up the two matches per chance?

If we were lucky in the first game in 1977 - and talk of Mickey Freyne's disallowed goal does bring back some memories in that regard - then we paid for it handsomely in the 1980 semi-final. Armagh were coasting in that match through the aerial dominance of Colm McKinstry who was having the game of his life and Brian Hughes at full forward who was roasting Pat Lindsay. Unfortunately the wheels came off big time - McKink went off injured in the third quarter and Brian Hughes went out to midfield and we totally lost our way and ended up in disarray - think we ended up beat by six points (2-20 to 3-11).

As a footnote, each side wore a change kit and both kits were absolutely class!   

seafoid

Would any of the Rossies have a video of the Finneran goal that could be posted on youtube?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Bisbee

Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 05, 2018, 11:30:45 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 05, 2018, 05:25:40 PM
Was a great team. At the risk of irking our neighbours during their time of sorrow, they were the best team I ever saw never to win an All-Ireland. Three games in particular were thrown away: Armagh in 77, Dublin 79 and of course the All-Ireland in 1980. We were the architects of our own misfortune. Gay left an awful soft goal in that slipped through his hands in 77, Finneran should have started in 79, even then his goal of the year put us in a winning position. If we continued to play the type of football we did in semi-final win over Armagh, we would have beaten Kerry. Even O'Dwyer always maintained that is the one Kerry should have lost. Of course Ros got blamed for the foul fest. Kerry then were whiter than white and ref was too naive to see Spillane faking fouls, or catch their pulling and dragging on our forwards. We are a long time waiting to even get a schniff of Sam since.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but he let a howler in at the Canal goal in the 1980 semi-final - our third goal that day. You're not mixing up the two matches per chance?

If we were lucky in the first game in 1977 - and talk of Mickey Freyne's disallowed goal does bring back some memories in that regard - then we paid for it handsomely in the 1980 semi-final. Armagh were coasting in that match through the aerial dominance of Colm McKinstry who was having the game of his life and Brian Hughes at full forward who was roasting Pat Lindsay. Unfortunately the wheels came off big time - McKink went off injured in the third quarter and Brian Hughes went out to midfield and we totally lost our way and ended up in disarray - think we ended up beat by six points (2-20 to 3-11).

As a footnote, each side wore a change kit and both kits were absolutely class!
Armagh had a white kit with orange trimmings, Rossies had similar gear to Tipperary.  Both Looked well.
1980 is up there with the most painful of memories as a long term Armagh supporter on a level equal to 2000 or 2005. Martin Murphy was sent off also during that implosion.  Before that we were flying, snipping away at the Rossies, seven points up and looking in no danger until that McKinstry injury.  We had Jim Loughran on the bench who was more than capable of coming on as a direct replacement for McKinstry at midfield, but we went with the most baffling  tactical switch-moving Hughes from full forward to midfield, a move that instantly changed the dynamic of the game.  We had a fair share of luck in 1977-but the 1980 team was probably the best we had until the 1999-2006 squad and really should have won that game

Bisbee

Quote from: giveballaghback on July 05, 2018, 11:09:13 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 05, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 05, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
The spirit of 77 would be enough to carry Armagh through to the Super 8s.  Only worry is whether we have the players of the same abilities?

I have been as critical of McGeeney as anyone else but he has brought this squad to a stage where they are reaching a level of maturity that has been stilted by playing Division 3 for too long.  He has been handicapped by the withdrawals of players for whatever reasons and by injuries, although they affect all teams.

They have the potential to beat Roscommon if McGeeney can resist his usual impulse in bigger games to change the style of play to supposedly deal with the opposition threat like in last year's Tyrone match.  Best to build on the current game plan and go for it against Roscommon, we would rather go down attacking than wilt against a reasonable but flaky Roscommon team with some amended defensive system.

Completely agree on that last point.

I hate defensive football but watching a mimic is worse than watching the real thing
The spirit of 77? you surely mean the luck and incompetent ref of 77 Mr. Collins of westmeath, Mickey Freyne had a perfect goal disallowed for square ball, Armagh got a penalty to bring them back into the game and the foul was clearly yards outside the area if it was a foul at all and if you think im doting just read Eugene McGees book "great all-ireland semi finals" and he says everything I have said here and of course we had the very sporting Armagh manager walking across the field and sledgeing the great Dermott Earley before he took a late 45 when the game was level, to the day he died Dermott would not say what O Neill said to him that day, more class than O Neill I would say.

Still sore about that then. Wasn't there a replay and a chance for the Rossies to right all those wrongs?

giveballaghback

Quote from: Bisbee on July 06, 2018, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 05, 2018, 11:09:13 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on July 05, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 05, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
The spirit of 77 would be enough to carry Armagh through to the Super 8s.  Only worry is whether we have the players of the same abilities?

I have been as critical of McGeeney as anyone else but he has brought this squad to a stage where they are reaching a level of maturity that has been stilted by playing Division 3 for too long.  He has been handicapped by the withdrawals of players for whatever reasons and by injuries, although they affect all teams.

They have the potential to beat Roscommon if McGeeney can resist his usual impulse in bigger games to change the style of play to supposedly deal with the opposition threat like in last year's Tyrone match.  Best to build on the current game plan and go for it against Roscommon, we would rather go down attacking than wilt against a reasonable but flaky Roscommon team with some amended defensive system.

Completely agree on that last point.

I hate defensive football but watching a mimic is worse than watching the real thing
The spirit of 77? you surely mean the luck and incompetent ref of 77 Mr. Collins of westmeath, Mickey Freyne had a perfect goal disallowed for square ball, Armagh got a penalty to bring them back into the game and the foul was clearly yards outside the area if it was a foul at all and if you think im doting just read Eugene McGees book "great all-ireland semi finals" and he says everything I have said here and of course we had the very sporting Armagh manager walking across the field and sledgeing the great Dermott Earley before he took a late 45 when the game was level, to the day he died Dermott would not say what O Neill said to him that day, more class than O Neill I would say.

Still sore about that then. Wasn't there a replay and a chance for the Rossies to right all those wrongs?
Now the thing about the replay oh yeah, ye had a keeper called Mcalinden who made 2 saves that day that were voted save of the season and 2nd save of the season that year and then proceeded to get lobed from 50 yds out on the cusack sideline by Jimmy Keaveney in the final, now for f... sake  all a long time ago and I was with that great Armagh team on several occasions after games with the Rossies, anyway back to the future, a brave team selected by McStay, should be a proper game between these 2 attack minded footballing teams, best of luck to all and may the best team win and safe travelling to all. supporters.

Maroon Manc

All the pressure on Roscommon as defeat would mean its been a poor season given their easy run to reach the super 8's and would suggest they've gone backwards.


seafoid

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 06, 2018, 03:51:02 PM
All the pressure on Roscommon as defeat would mean its been a poor season given their easy run to reach the super 8's and would suggest they've gone backwards.
I am not sure about that. 
Ros won't be afraid of Armagh and the Super 8 would be a great achievement vs last year.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 06, 2018, 03:51:02 PM
All the pressure on Roscommon as defeat would mean its been a poor season given their easy run to reach the super 8's and would suggest they've gone backwards.
Was beating Galway an easy passage? Kildare found out last year trying to beat Armagh in round 4 is not easy!

Rossfan

A bit worried about this one to be honest.
Good to see Seànie hadn't been dumped yet. No sub appearance v Leitrim or Galway suggested he was only making up numbers.
Good to see a defender at no 6 if he's played there.
Hoping for the best but not too confident.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

larryin89

Best of luck to our neighbours. Nice free flowing team .
Walk-in down mchale rd , sun out, summers day , game day . That's all .

seafoid

"Coherence or incoherence
Clarity or chaos. "John Trudell

Has to be the Rossies
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Syferus

Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 06, 2018, 03:51:02 PM
All the pressure on Roscommon as defeat would mean its been a poor season given their easy run to reach the super 8's and would suggest they've gone backwards.

Don't let anger cloud your judgement.