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Re: Joint Papal / Queen visit in Northern Ireland in 2018
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2017, 03:25:42 PM »
QRadio would have access to sensational news like this!😂😂 Not being reported anywhere else.
QRadio is owned by the Irish News.  So they get their information from the same sources presumably.


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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2017, 04:22:07 PM »
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.

I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"


Some of your heroes in the hierarchy don't share your views. Nor does the Pope. Interesting article which highlights what a joke the whole organisation has become. I think this Pope is a good man who hasn't lost sight of the big picture....unlike the doctrine obsessed scholars who specialise in judging others.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis

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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2017, 05:58:35 PM »
Shock,horror,leader of the world's biggest institution is not universally popular🤤.Catholic doctrine deriving directly from the Apostles and is sacrosanct.

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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2017, 06:39:37 PM »
That's not quite true either Tony, is is?
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2017, 10:17:39 PM »
Shock,horror,leader of the world's biggest institution is not universally popular🤤.Catholic doctrine deriving directly from the Apostles and is sacrosanct.

I get faith and believing in something that might not be real, but if you think Catholic doctrine, that has been changed to suit its own needs and not been taken directly from the apostles then you are dumber than I give you credit for
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Re: Joint Papal / Queen visit in Northern Ireland in 2018
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2017, 11:09:56 PM »
Who'd win in a fight?

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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2017, 01:07:58 AM »
There has been changes in format but core doctrine has never changed nor can it be.

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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2017, 02:09:08 AM »
There has been changes in format but core doctrine has never changed nor can it be.

Cough - Vatican 2 - cough

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« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2017, 02:27:24 AM »
There has been changes in format but core doctrine has never changed nor can it be.
Of course it has. The council of Nicea was one example. What is current church policy on the ordination of eunuchs?

Why was there a schism between the Eastern and Western churches in 1054?
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« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2017, 04:30:59 AM »
Transubstantiation
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Remember mother church and her female leaders in the early days...
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« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2017, 05:36:46 AM »
Jesus often spoke about the need for a huge bureaucracy in Rome
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« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2017, 06:43:20 AM »
Of course the doctrine has evolved over the years since our understanding of the gospel message has increased and refined

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« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2017, 07:07:32 AM »
Magpie Seanie,it is the role of this and any other Pope to defend and promote Catholic doctrine,which is timeless and unchangeable.This Pope may be more unconventional than his immediate predecessors but I have detected no divergence from doctrine.

I do not know what is so hard to understand about the fact that the Church's mission is to save souls not win popularity,therefore it simply cannot change its scripture based stance on homosexuality,abortion etc just to be "compassionate" or "popular"


Some of your heroes in the hierarchy don't share your views. Nor does the Pope. Interesting article which highlights what a joke the whole organisation has become. I think this Pope is a good man who hasn't lost sight of the big picture....unlike the doctrine obsessed scholars who specialise in judging others.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/oct/27/the-war-against-pope-francis

Francis presents a considerable problem for those (the Guardian for the sake of argument) who have demonised the church for years (some of it justified) to promote their own agendas.
The pope could always be presented as a type of villian for their causes but Francis has turned that on its head by going deeper into the principles of the Catholic doctrine rather than the specifics and preaches a message and values that they also adhere too.
They're a bit flumaxed by this demonstrated perfectly by this article presenting a conspiracy theory that Francis is a renegade against the church and that they are hoping to get rid of  him ASAP. And hence the church at the root of it all is just as bad a bogeyman as it as always been. While Ive no doubt that there are those who oppose him I haven't heard any of it at all and in fact since he became pope there is frequent mention of him on the pulpit so I would say those who support him far outnumber those that do.

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« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2017, 07:31:54 AM »
Vatican 2 changed the way mass was celebrated,mass in Latin (still remember acting as Altar server during these) and a few other cosmetic changes for ecumenical purposes.It did not change core doctrine.

One must also remember that the Pope,being the proxy of Christ on earth,is constantly the receptacle of Divine inspiration and enlightenment,so any alterations he makes are divinely inspired

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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2017, 08:07:04 AM »
Vatican 2 changed the way mass was celebrated,mass in Latin (still remember acting as Altar server during these) and a few other cosmetic changes for ecumenical purposes.It did not change core doctrine.

One must also remember that the Pope,being the proxy of Christ on earth,is constantly the receptacle of Divine inspiration and enlightenment,so any alterations he makes are divinely inspired

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Marcial Maciel Degollado LC (March 10, 1920 January 30, 2008) was a Mexican Catholicpriest who founded the Legion of Christ and the Regnum Christi movement, serving as general director of the legion from 1941 to 2005. Throughout most of his career, he was respected within the church as "the greatest fundraiser of the modern Roman Catholic church" and as a prolific recruiter of new seminarians.[1] Late in his life, Maciel was revealed to have sexually abused boys and young men. After his death, it came to light that he had maintained relationships with at least two women, fathering as many as six children. He allegedly abused two of these as well.[2][3]
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