Quote from: armaghniac on Today at 03:30:49 PMQuote from: Snapchap on May 21, 2024, 04:59:26 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 21, 2024, 02:55:41 PMQuote from: johnnycool on May 21, 2024, 10:38:52 AMWestern standards laid bare for all to see:
I'm not sure the term "Western" is appropriate, every west European country and Canada, Australia and New Zealand support the ICC.
The USA don't.
Then the post should have referred to the USA and not to "Western".
Quote from: Lubo Moravcik on Today at 02:51:06 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on May 21, 2024, 11:15:17 PMQuote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 21, 2024, 09:58:47 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:30:43 PMQuote from: Lubo Moravcik on May 21, 2024, 09:15:30 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:45:33 PMThere is, as far as I'm aware, no evidence of this gang rape/mass rape thing. Its also pretty much accepted that Israel shot up a large amount of their own people. If they gave a damn about hostages they would gave negotiated their release, instead they carpet bombed civilian areas. You need to think of Israel as Nazis to understand the evil you are dealing with here.
I have no doubt that Israel wilfully murder and starve Palestinians - it's clear from their actions.
Though hasn't the ICC also accepted that Hamas fighters used sexual violence? I'd imagine they must have seen evidence before stating such.
Maybe they have, they've certainly said Hamas has a case to answer on it. But I've not seen any evidence from reliable sources and in fact some of the initial witnesses stating this were shown to be very unreliable. I would have thought it surely would've been out there for all to see if evidence was available. A bit like the weapons and tunnels in hospitals, none of it ever surfaced.
Israel's exaggerated reports of sexual violence are unbelievable but if the ICC are also citing it in their case agains the leadership of Hamas I'm inclined to think there must have been some level of truth in the original reports of rapes occurring.
The 'human shield' thing Israel use against Hamas I find ridiculous. Israel has never cared about harming civilians so what use are they as any type of shield.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/icc-has-no-evidence-7-october-rapes-documents-indicate
Sorry but "My office continues to investigate reports of sexual violence committed on Oct 7th' does not mean that it did not occur. Did Israel tell lies about the scale of it? I would say yes. Did rape occur? I'll wait for the ICC investigation to reach a conclusion on that.
The ICC seems to possess evidence that rape occurred in captivity, however the Electronic Intifada article is very causally dismissive of that:
"But does that mean that Khan possesses enough evidence of rapes and sexual violence against Israelis in captivity to warrant charges against Hamas leaders?
Obviously, we have not seen all the evidence that Khan claims to possess, but despite that we can fairly confidently assess that he does not."
I mean, come on, 'we can fairly confidently assess' - can you? How exactly?
Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:37:14 PMQuote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 09:31:21 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 09:24:27 PMQuote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 09:02:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 08:55:09 PMQuote from: J70 on May 21, 2024, 08:49:32 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 21, 2024, 06:00:32 PMQuote from: whitey on May 21, 2024, 05:32:33 PMWhy does he have to take a side? What about the side of justice?Quote from: Itchy on May 21, 2024, 04:29:09 PMHow do you square the fact that since old Genocide Joe came into Power the world has seen two new major conflicts in which he is stuck in the middle of?
Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a total piece of shit and not fit to hold any office. I just think Biden is also a piece of shit and I take great offence that he tries to draw a link to Ireland as if he is some part of us.
Biden (or the US for that matter) had no hand act or part in starting either of those wars.
Once they started he had to take a side
Arm a country committing genocide?
By the way it started long before last October.. but you know that.
Well yeah, but the current "new conflict" which Itchy accuses Biden of dragging the world into, began then. Had Hamas not did what they did that day, things would be proceeding as before with Israel maintaining the stranglehold on Gaza and working away at the theft of land in the West Bank.
After October 7, Biden had no choice but to support Israel. It's simply the only sustainable position for a mainstream politician in the US. The only debate is the lengths Israel is allowed to go. The Dems have limits, the GOP doesn't.
As for the other "new conflict", Biden is absolutely correct to support Zelensky and the Ukrainians. But if you're concerned about that, you won't have long to worry; it looks fairly likely Trump is going to win, and then the Ukraine will be cut loose to face their fate with presumably only the EU for support.
I assume you live in US? You'd actually know just by reading your post.
Biden loves a good war, if you listened to his bullshit speech in Ballina about the Mayo man who joined the yank army it'd make you sick. No difference worth talking about between him and Trump and America isn't a democracy. Sorry.
How about telling me what you disagree with instead of vacuous nonsense like that last sentence?
And yeah, I do live in the US and despite the American consensus on Israel, for which I share your disdain, there is a huge difference between them on policy (we'll not get into Trump's personal pathologies).
If there are two sheep in a field and all you hear all day is that one sheep is better than the other, you'll probably start believing it. You might even join in speaking on behalf of that sheep. Everyone else just sees two sheep in a field, eating the same grass and owned by the same Farmer.
You sound like someone who just likes to argue just for the sake of it.
I've already said, multiple times, that Biden has to follow the long-standing US broad consensus on Israel.
But believe it or not, the US, like most countries, has a multitude of other problems and policy areas outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
If you're saying there's no difference between Biden and Trump, or the Dems and GOP in general, on anything, then you haven't got a clue.
Biden has to support Israeli genocide because..... He has to. That's brilliant. Thanks for explaining the complex American political landscape.
I think you support democrats as they are "your team" and as a result you are making excuses for a Genocide supporting piece of shit.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 21, 2024, 04:59:26 PMQuote from: armaghniac on May 21, 2024, 02:55:41 PMQuote from: johnnycool on May 21, 2024, 10:38:52 AMWestern standards laid bare for all to see:
I'm not sure the term "Western" is appropriate, every west European country and Canada, Australia and New Zealand support the ICC.
The USA don't.
Quote from: statto on Today at 02:34:46 PMIs there any reason with games being played next week why the GAA can't confirm the dates and times of next weekends fixtures so that supporters can sort travel/accomodation if required. I understand last round of games are neutral and undecided but why could they not announce the venues/times for the first two rounds at one time.
Quote from: Blowitupref on Today at 02:38:43 PMQuote from: statto on Today at 02:28:59 PMQuote from: johnnycool on Today at 02:15:39 PMHope he isn't involved in any coverage across bbc/itv think everyone needs the summer off.Quote from: tonto1888 on Today at 12:47:03 PMwho decided England are favourites
Rio Ferdinand.
No summer off for him or a few others.
BBC
Presenters - Gary Lineker, Gabby Logan, Mark Chapman, Alex Scott
Commentators - Guy Mowbray, Robyn Cowen, Vicki Sparks, Steve Wilson, Steve Bauer, Jonathan Pearce (commentators), Jermaine Jenas, Danny Murphy, Martin Keown, James McFadden (co-commentators)
Pundits - Alan Shearer, Micah Richards, Rio Ferdinand, Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, Joe Hart, Ellen White, Ashley Williams, Cesc Fabregas, David Moyes, Rachel Corsie, Thomas Frank, James McFadden
ITV
Presenters - Mark Pougatch, Laura Woods
Commentators - Sam Matterface, Clive Tyldesley, Seb Hutchinson, Pien Meulensteen, Joe Speight (commentators), Lee Dixon, Ally McCoist, Andros Townsend (co-commentators)
Pundits - Roy Keane, Graeme Souness, Ian Wright, Eni Aluko, Gary Neville, Karen Carney, Ange Postecoglou, Danny Rohl, Christina Unkel (refereeing analyst)