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Title: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 27, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
 I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: beano on October 27, 2015, 09:32:33 PM
 I have to agree with this. We need to stop fooling ourselves and work hard. In the short term, we really need our u21 team to reach a leinster final. This grade is neglected and this is a shame as we have a chance of competing at this grade. A successful year at u21 would do wonders for the senior set up in the long run.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 28, 2015, 03:09:04 PM
there HAS been some good work done at underage level in the last 5-10 years and it is showing, in general. but it needs to be monitored and improved EVERY year. Laois seem to make 'bursts' every now and again to improve the underage set up but then it dies out after a couple of years. we need continuous monitoring and improvements/recommendations on a yearly basis. this must include our coaches aswell. are they doing their job properly, do they need help, do they need to be replaced. do the coaches need coaching? etc.

we have had some great results at underage level in recent years, this year was maybe a bad year but the 2/3 years before that had us competing and beating the likes of Tipp, Cork, Kilkenny, Clare. our Minors are lacking something, but not much. we SHOULD have beaten Kilkenny in O'Moore park 2 years ago in a semi final which would have set us up nicely to maybe win Leinster and who knows after that. our U21s got to the Leinster final in 2012 and were beaten well by Kilkenny. this year was a joke when it came to the u21s, cheddar couldnt possibly look after 2 teams fully so it was left to someone else, and they did F-all training etc, the interest wasnt even there from the players.

weve done some good work but the whole thing needs a kick in the arse and we need to up our game big time. county board need to stop sitting on their hands and get out and fight for more funding for us, travel the country to see what other underage set ups are like, do this with Cheddar and the new U21 and minor coaches. come up with new plans from that.

after that i would bring in all club representatives/secretaries/trainers/whoever and involve all hurling clubs in the new plans and try to lift the standard of hurling within the county. this is very important. club and intercounty teams need to all be developing and getting better side by side.

the hunger for success in this county is growing and growing, and it needs to be fed soon.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 28, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
in my opinion there needs to be a big shake up from county board down,....  there is a level of complacency in laois hurling that needs to change.... I dont understand why we dont look at other counties to see their training structures ( we might even learn something).  We need the attitude of "its not who you are but how you can hurl" brought in from juvenile right up and not be happy with beating 1 or 2 teams and NEARLY beating others.  I dont know if its a lack of confidence or what but we seem to believe what we.ve listened to for years.....sure its only laois.  Its time to change that thinking
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 03:33:45 PM
"The policy, approved by GAA Central Council last June on the back of a recommendation from the Football Review Committee and a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, will require all Inter-County management teams in both hurling and football to contain an Award 2 coach from 2016. All Club management teams must contain an Award 1 Coach. From 2018 the Head Coach in both cases must be qualified at the appropriate level."

the above is taken from - https://www.gaa.ie/coaching-and-games-development/news/1101142013-mandatory-coaching-standards-for-2016-announced-at-liberty-insurance-gaa-games-development-conference/

in light of the above, does anyone know the situation with coaching courses? i have contacted a few people, Ciaran Muldowney being one(hurling coaching contact on the Laois GAA website), and have got no reply from anyone. if they are going to bring in rules like the above then they need to have courses a lot more available than they are at present. they usually only run around this time of year but i cant get info on when the next one is etc.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 06, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Don't know if that's any use to you!


http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/368279/Award_1_Youth_Adult_Nov_Dec_2015_Heywood (http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/368279/Award_1_Youth_Adult_Nov_Dec_2015_Heywood)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 04:09:45 PM
fair play Redsetanta!
i didnt see that! Is that just for football??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 06, 2015, 04:20:44 PM
It does seem to be just football, award 1. I would be more interested in the hurling. Do you have to have the foundation course done first or is it possible to skip that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 08, 2015, 11:24:52 AM
First Laois meeting of the year on Friday.

Cheddar has work to do to get some of his most experienced players back on board for 2016.

Paul O' Shea from Abbeyleix has been confirmed as Laois minor manager for 2016. Can't say I know much about him to be honest.
Shane Corby and Tony Doran are the U21 managers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on November 08, 2015, 08:18:29 PM
Never heard of Paul O Shea before, hurling circles are small in laois so it seems a strange appointment. He has a good bunch of players to work with anyway and let's hope they do well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 09, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
"The policy, approved by GAA Central Council last June on the back of a recommendation from the Football Review Committee and a proposal from the National Games Development Committee, will require all Inter-County management teams in both hurling and football to contain an Award 2 coach from 2016. All Club management teams must contain an Award 1 Coach. From 2018 the Head Coach in both cases must be qualified at the appropriate level."

the above is taken from - https://www.gaa.ie/coaching-and-games-development/news/1101142013-mandatory-coaching-standards-for-2016-announced-at-liberty-insurance-gaa-games-development-conference/

in light of the above, does anyone know the situation with coaching courses? i have contacted a few people, Ciaran Muldowney being one(hurling coaching contact on the Laois GAA website), and have got no reply from anyone. if they are going to bring in rules like the above then they need to have courses a lot more available than they are at present. they usually only run around this time of year but i cant get info on when the next one is etc.

From recollection, the time I did my course they were on in January and February. This makes perfect sense to me as it is the time of the year when club mentors for the coming season are confirmed. I was talking to Ciaran at the U13 finals last Saturday and he confirmed that there will be two Award One courses and a number of foundation courses as well as a workshop this winter/spring. The dates for these are not confirmed yet but they will be sent to clubs as soon as they are known. Keep in contact with your club secretary, he/she should be able to give you this info when it comes out. From my dealings with the two hurling officers I cant keep speak highly enough of them. They are a constant source of help, advice and information and any time I ask them to come out to our club they are always available, often til very late at night or on a Saturday and I put a lot of our success in recent years down to the help we get from them. I think hurling in Laois is on a very good road and we have a lot to be thankful for.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 09, 2015, 04:48:41 PM
thanks 'zooming' ill keep my ear to the ground so.
for anyone who has already done the courses, did you find them good/helpful??

not sure who Paul O'Shea is but i do know Abbeyleix have done some great work at underage level in the last number of years, maybe he was part of that?
best of luck to all.
as for the seniors, i didn't think they would be missing many this year? and hopefully Darren Maher can come back in, senior player of the year, it would be a shame to have that accolade and not be part of the set up for 2016.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on November 10, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
thanks 'zooming' ill keep my ear to the ground so.
for anyone who has already done the courses, did you find them good/helpful??

not sure who Paul O'Shea is but i do know Abbeyleix have done some great work at underage level in the last number of years, maybe he was part of that?
best of luck to all.
as for the seniors, i didn't think they would be missing many this year? and hopefully Darren Maher can come back in, senior player of the year, it would be a shame to have that accolade and not be part of the set up for 2016.
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It's a while ago since I did it but it's 7 nights and contains a lot of good content. Some of the tutors are very good too, we had the likes of Brendan Hayden who was brilliant. Pat Critchley and Ciaran Muldowney did two nights each and they were good. Its a good course but its a big commitment.

with regard to Paul I have to say I was surprised. He has been an excellent coaching co-ordinator in our club.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Jimmy P on November 12, 2015, 10:29:49 AM
Unconfirmed retirements from the senior panel: Tommy Fitzgerald , John A Delaney , Dayne Peacock , Joe Fitzpatrick
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 12, 2015, 10:41:27 AM
John A and Tommy would be huge losses; words couldn't do justice to the gaping hole Joe Fitzpatrick would leave...

Those lads owe us nothing and I thank them for what they have done but I seriously hope we haven't seen the last of them in a Laois jersey!

I don't believe Zane Keenan was at the first meeting either though he could have been involved with the Shinty squad maybe? I understand he was exceptional over in Scotland.
I understand Darren Maher, Joe Phelan, Willie Dunphy have all committed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: grover on November 16, 2015, 04:03:12 PM
Unconfirmed retirements from the senior panel: Tommy Fitzgerald , John A Delaney , Dayne Peacock , Joe Fitzpatrick
Add Willie Hyland, Brian Stapleton, Jimmy Walsh,Conor Dunne.Serious rebuilding task ahead.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 16, 2015, 04:38:07 PM
Why would Willie Hyland retire?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on November 16, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
Good jesus, we cannot seriously be losing all these lads???
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on November 16, 2015, 06:09:33 PM
From what I've heard Tommy Fitz, John A, Butch jimmy Walsh Conor Dunne Joe campion Dayne peacock have all opted out/retired
Willie Hyland will return after the Christmas break, he's just finished with C/B and is getting married, well entitled to a break

Fixtures out for the league, Kerry at home, Offaly away, Clare at home limerick away our first 4 games
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 17, 2015, 03:17:21 PM
Not good to hear of some of these retirements / opt outs, particularly with some of the younger guys like Joe Campion. Still, won't believe them until the start of the year. Often lads change their minds over the winter months.

On a side note, we need to be getting more younger guys involved. Was looking at a programme from 2010 the other day, against Dublin I think, and it was almost the same team as lined out in the championship in 2015.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TheGreatGame on November 20, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
Leaving a Laois perspective aside for the moment, this is a problem all counties outside the top few in each code are facing.  I'd be really fearful for the future of intercounty hurling and football unless something drastic is done.  How long will payers be willing to sacrifice their late teens and twenties to hurl and kick football?  I don't use the word sacrifice lightly, but it's no exaggeration to say that a county training regime demands practically all of a persons free time.  The G.A.A have created a monster by letting managers slog players from as early as October/November and train up to 6 times a week.  To even hold their ground then other counties have to match this, but the strong will get stronger and the weaker will simply fall off the radar.  The only solution I can think of is for the G.A.A to cap the number of times a county can train/meet up to a maximum of three per week, including whatever match may be at the weekend.  Put a cap on how much a player can receive in mileage per week, have massive fines/loss of home venue for any county caught in breach of these rules.  The appetite for such change won't be there unfortunately until the GAA is hit where it hurts, when the the attendances fall and the money stops rolling in.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: south Laois on November 20, 2015, 01:06:12 PM
As lifelong Laois supporter I've been saying this for a while. The GAA don't  care about Laois and the other smaller counties. Look how we were treated in the summer when our hurlers and footballers were forced to play in two different venues at times where it was next to impossible to get to both games. Would that happen to Dublin or Cork? The GAA would be happy with just the elite in both codes and forget about the rest. In future I'll only attend Laois games and won't be going to any more games as a neutral.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on December 02, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
What are the ages of the lads retiring?
Joe Fitz, John A, Tommy Fitz, Butch, Jimmy Walsh, Zane, Dayne and Conor Dunne all gone I hear.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 02, 2015, 11:18:26 AM
definitely too much training going on, thats why some of these lads are retiring. although ill wait and see who actually retires... i would be surprised if all these names are retiring.
they are back training already. some of those lads have got no break whatsoever from training/hurling. lads are bound to get sick of it eventually. i have heard of a few clubs that are back training already too, none that i heard are in Laois but still, ridicules!

i believe ages are as follows -

What are the ages of the lads retiring?
Joe Fitz, 31, John A, 29, Tommy Fitz, 32, Butch, 27, Jimmy Walsh, 32, Zane, 27, Dayne ? must be still very young though, and Conor Dunne 28, all gone I hear.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on December 02, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
Wow disappointing to say the least really thought John A and Joe Fitz would give it one more year probably our two best backs.

Butch will be a loss as will tommy.

Can't understand Zane or Joe Campion leaving but it leaves Laois a lot weaker that's for sure!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 02, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
i see 'Friends of Laois Hurling' have posted a picture of Joe Fitz, Tommy, John A, Jimmy Walsh and Butch thanking them for their service etc.
the one im most surprised about is Butch. but look, as mentioned before, its too much of a commitment for some. something else would have to suffer, be it college, work or family, very hard on them to keep everything going. GAA need to look at this big time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TheGreatGame on December 02, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
First of all a huge thanks to those players who are calling it a day.  Lesser men would have jumped ship years ago, and these lads have gone through some really dark years with the county.  Real commitment is found in counties like Laois where the chance of glory is remote.  Anyone would train all year with the Kilkenny's and Kerry's where All-Irelands, holidays away etc. are all but guaranteed.  These lads can walk away with their heads held high, and I'm delighted they will have the memory of being part of the panel that finally got a big win for the county against Offaly.  It may have been a small win in the grand scheme of things, but for us it was massive.

As for where it leaves Laois, well these guys were not going to go on forever.  Joe Fitz is an anomaly in that he just seems to get better with age and there is no doubt he will be a huge loss.  Age and injury have taken a toll on a lot of these guys and in my view it's the right time for some of them to take a step back.  For sure Cheddar now has a huge task to build a competitive team with a young panel, but no better man to have the reigns.  It's up to our younger players to stand up now.  Ross King, Picky, Paddy Purcell, Neil Foyle and more have what it takes to be real leaders for us now, and we will need them.  I expect Joe Campion to be back with Laois at some stage, a break away from hurling for a bit may be the best thing for the lad.  Then we have the lads fresh from minor coming in, Mark Kav, Fonzi, Ryan Mullaney and  Leigh Bergin have plenty of potential so it will be interesting to see how they adapt to the senior set up.  Darren Maher is also a huge addition and in his current form should nail down the full back position and perhaps release Healy to a position more natural to him.

It's certainly not all doom and gloom, but patience and realistic ambitions may well be needed for the coming year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on December 03, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
First of all a huge thanks to those players who are calling it a day.  Lesser men would have jumped ship years ago, and these lads have gone through some really dark years with the county.  Real commitment is found in counties like Laois where the chance of glory is remote.  Anyone would train all year with the Kilkenny's and Kerry's where All-Irelands, holidays away etc. are all but guaranteed.  These lads can walk away with their heads held high, and I'm delighted they will have the memory of being part of the panel that finally got a big win for the county against Offaly.  It may have been a small win in the grand scheme of things, but for us it was massive.

As for where it leaves Laois, well these guys were not going to go on forever.  Joe Fitz is an anomaly in that he just seems to get better with age and there is no doubt he will be a huge loss.  Age and injury have taken a toll on a lot of these guys and in my view it's the right time for some of them to take a step back.  For sure Cheddar now has a huge task to build a competitive team with a young panel, but no better man to have the reigns.  It's up to our younger players to stand up now.  Ross King, Picky, Paddy Purcell, Neil Foyle and more have what it takes to be real leaders for us now, and we will need them.  I expect Joe Campion to be back with Laois at some stage, a break away from hurling for a bit may be the best thing for the lad.  Then we have the lads fresh from minor coming in, Mark Kav, Fonzi, Ryan Mullaney and  Leigh Bergin have plenty of potential so it will be interesting to see how they adapt to the senior set up.  Darren Maher is also a huge addition and in his current form should nail down the full back position and perhaps release Healy to a position more natural to him.

It's certainly not all doom and gloom, but patience and realistic ambitions may well be needed for the coming year.

Excellent Post mate.....Hopefully Zane can stay on as well I see he and a few more got picked for Leinster a nice swansong for Joe!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 03, 2015, 01:52:39 PM
Well said there 'The GreatGame'

I agree with your sentiments but 5 lads retiring at the same time will be hard to take. They are not just panel members either. Joe Fitz was MOTM on more than one occasion over the last couple of years and looked like he could play for years to come. The winter slog is probably the killer for the older lads, especially the ones with family etc. Butch is young enough to be calling it a day. I know he had a couple of bad days in the office this year but he has been brilliant for us on other days.

I wouldn't rely on Zane to be honest. He was on the Shinty this year and is involved with Leinster which wouldn't have been the case if he wasn't hurling county. I still feel he should have got a nomination for a All Star. With Zane it has been a year with the county and then a year out so on that basis probably won't see him this year.  With the retirements he should be encouraged to stay involved because he is one of the best on his day and young lads need players like that around them.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 03, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-unrest-revealed-ive-considered-driving-the-car-into-a-ditch-rather-than-train-in-the-winter-muck-34254856.html

Interesting read.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on December 12, 2015, 10:52:54 AM
Keenan could be available in the new year. He has work commitments at present but I understand management hope to have him on board well before the league starts.
Would be a significant boost given the raft of players opting out.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on December 12, 2015, 02:32:41 PM
Keenan definitely back in the new year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 14, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
Former Dublin physical trainer Ross Corbett is on board with the Laois Senior hurlers this year,
Approx 20 of a panel training at the moment, 5 nights a week, all physical, 2 gym sessions, 3 field running sessions per week
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 14, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
Jaysus. fair play to those lads. 5 nights a week in December.

It's not done for fun anymore, it's a lifestyle to be a intercounty player nowadays.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 15, 2015, 08:52:32 AM
Former Dublin physical trainer Ross Corbett is on board with the Laois Senior hurlers this year,
Approx 20 of a panel training at the moment, 5 nights a week, all physical, 2 gym sessions, 3 field running sessions per week

if thats true, that is a joke.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 15, 2015, 02:58:24 PM
Hard to see what choice they have.

If they want to retain div 1 status, we have to be out of the blocks early and other teams are doing 5 nights between gym and cardio sessions. Hard slog in this weather, some commitment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on December 15, 2015, 04:35:06 PM
5 nights a week, all physical, is too much, id be hoping 1 or 2 of those sessions would be recovery sessions but apparently not. also there should be no one back before January, that is actually a rule by the GAA but its not really enforced. its a rule put there for a reason. its about keeping lads mentally fresh too. its not all about the body. we'll see how fresh they are come Championship i guess.
as redsetanta said, being a county player is a lifestyle now, maybe that's why the likes of Butch are retiring at a young age. if its starting to interfere with home/work/college. 5 nights physical training in December, where will it end.
each to their own but thats my take on it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Podge72 on December 15, 2015, 06:06:28 PM
Tipp have a squad of 40 in doing 5 nights a week since the start of the month.

Before that,they were on personalized S and C programmes.

as a Tipp man exiled up here,it's fairly obvious that the bulk of the laois team have some catching up to do in terms of S and C.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on December 17, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Tipp have a squad of 40 in doing 5 nights a week since the start of the month.

Before that,they were on personalized S and C programmes.

as a Tipp man exiled up here,it's fairly obvious that the bulk of the laois team have some catching up to do in terms of S and C.

You only have to watch the game against Galway last year to see that. Too light altogether.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on December 17, 2015, 02:58:08 PM
5 nights of cardio and gym work... Hopefully they getting plenty of calf nuts if they are going to beef up a bit!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 14, 2016, 05:26:33 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: CruiseCigar on January 14, 2016, 08:34:46 PM
Some commitment by all. Hope it pays off now for them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 14, 2016, 11:51:43 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.

When is the last time something like this happened with a Laois minor hurling team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 15, 2016, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on January 14, 2016, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: Ogie on January 14, 2016, 01:37:52 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.

When is the last time something like this happened with a Laois minor hurling team?

It has been happening for the past five years 'keyser'. The set-up under Pat Critchley and Cheddar before him has been top class. Cheddar brought about a huge change in professionalism, commitment and raised the standards. So to me, it's not all that new, but it is great to hear that the new management have carried on from the great work done in the past few years.
Hopefully Pat will rejuvenate the under age structure again, I really feel that this is the area we need to be focusing on to try and close the gap further. We have made strides in the past few years from minor to senior but below that more work and new initiatives are required. I think There are good hurling men in laois that are determined to make it happen.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 15, 2016, 12:19:13 PM
The Minor hurling set up appears to be a very positive and professional set up, led by Manager Paul O Shea from Abbeyleix, hurling coach James Carroll, Physical/Strength & conditioning Michael Boyhan Mountrath & Carlow IT,
Each player following a personilised programme since December, Training schedule given to each player outlining plans, dates etc from January to May.
Best of luck to all involved

They had 50 lads training hard before Christmas! Some effort, commitment and another indicator of how far we have come. A long way from getting a few lads together in April and we'll see what happens. No shortage of serious young talent.

When is the last time something like this happened with a Laois minor hurling team?

Not for about 10 years now thankfully. I think it is fair to say that there is about a decade of sustained underage work at this point. It will probably need another 10 if we are going to be winning senior honours but at least the journey is underway. I remember too well despairing at watching Laois minor teams and U21 teams who were cobbled together and got awful hidings through the 90s and early 2000s and a couple of humiliations including a beating by Meath (no disrespect).

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2016, 07:49:57 PM
Tobias- you missed my point.

Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.
U21 is a "pain in the arse" grade at both club and county level from a preparation point of view. It can be impossible to prepare properly.

Back to the main point.
In the past 25 years the following people (and others who I cannot think of) have been in charge of Laois minors;

Christy Jones
Pat Delaney
Mick Scully
John Taylor/PJ Cuddy
Martin Cashin (I think??)
Tom Hassett
Vincent McKenna
Mattie Collier
Tony Ryan
Seamus Plunkett
Pat Critchely

I am definitely missing a few in there.

A right variety of characters but I don't think any of them could be accused of "cobbling teams together".

That is nonsense talk. Some of the set ups were not great but very few lacked effort or good intentions.

For at least the last 10-15 years serious "pre-season" work has gone into the minors.
Before that preparation would have been of its time and in line with what was happening in other counties.
Our problems were

1) A lack of technical work done at younger ages
2) A lack of interest among players
3) The attraction of being a Laois Minor Footballer from about 1995-2005.
4) An insistance (where players would comply and weren't replaceable) that players would not play both codes from football managements.

It is fantastic that the minor management are putting work in.
Let's hope they are not just working hard, but working clever. Players at this age have a lot going on. Training and preparation should be aimed at having them ready, fresh AND enthusiastic for championship hurling.
The previous management managed this in 2013, but failed badly in this regard in 2014 & 2015.

You cannot underestimate the importance of freshness and enthusiasm approaching the targeted peak time of your season.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 18, 2016, 09:10:40 AM
Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.

LMHC 2008:

KK 6-18, LS 1-08
WX 5-19, LS 2-11
MH 0-13, LS 1-07

Not 30 years ago.

My general point was a positive one, huge improvement in standards, interest levels, coaching hours and coaching standards. Some great results over recent years too and ambitions have improved. For it to sustain we really need to be winning a Leinster minor or U-21 in the next 5 years or so or there is a danger that momentum will be lost. We shouldn't forget the odd hammering we have gotten from KK in the last few years either. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 18, 2016, 06:09:26 PM
Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.

LMHC 2008:

KK 6-18, LS 1-08
WX 5-19, LS 2-11
MH 0-13, LS 1-07

Not 30 years ago.

My general point was a positive one, huge improvement in standards, interest levels, coaching hours and coaching standards. Some great results over recent years too and ambitions have improved. For it to sustain we really need to be winning a Leinster minor or U-21 in the next 5 years or so or there is a danger that momentum will be lost. We shouldn't forget the odd hammering we have gotten from KK in the last few years either.

But your talking about two different things.
Preparation and results

Length of preparation time was your original point?
The & results were terrible almost every year for a 20 year period. Doesn't mean they didn't put time into it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 19, 2016, 12:59:38 PM
Blue & White- I think you are perhaps thinking of 30 years ago as opposed to 10 years ago. I would separate minor from U21.

LMHC 2008:

KK 6-18, LS 1-08
WX 5-19, LS 2-11
MH 0-13, LS 1-07

Not 30 years ago.

My general point was a positive one, huge improvement in standards, interest levels, coaching hours and coaching standards. Some great results over recent years too and ambitions have improved. For it to sustain we really need to be winning a Leinster minor or U-21 in the next 5 years or so or there is a danger that momentum will be lost. We shouldn't forget the odd hammering we have gotten from KK in the last few years either.

But your talking about two different things.
Preparation and results

Length of preparation time was your original point?
The & results were terrible almost every year for a 20 year period. Doesn't mean they didn't put time into it.

Depends what you mean by preparation. 10 years ago, preparation started with getting lads together at 17 or 18 and forming a minor team in the spring to play that summer. Now, they are together at U14 consistently up to Minor with a huge amount of coaching and competition. This happened in patches before, now it is routine. That was my secondary point. My main point is that there is huge work, interest and commitment which needs to be built upon year after year. Preparing a minor team starts at Cumman na mBunscoil / U8s / U12s etc. and by building a brand and an identity with Laois hurling (setanta etc.). 50 lads pushing for a minor team in December is a strong indicator of all that coming together. If we keep that going the results will come.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on January 19, 2016, 05:33:00 PM
Would fully agree with BlueandWhite 1 on this. It's great to see the effort and interest that's there at the moment.

That's not to suggest of course that previous regimes didn't put in the time and effort. I'm sure they made their contributions to get us to where we are now. Still, to have 50 lads involved in a minor hurling team in Laois is a fantastic achievement for all current and past mentors.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 19, 2016, 11:40:52 PM
Blue & White we are on two different wave lengths - I give up!

I applaud the effort of the current minor squad (whilst also preaching caution re freshness!)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 28, 2016, 11:48:21 PM
Came across this. How times have changed!

15 years ago this Summer we seemed to be on the brink of a breakthrough. Then the CB Chairman went a bit crazy late in the year and all that had been built up was destroyed.

Still that day in Nowlan Park was a brilliant experience. The first time in 15 or so years that Laois had recorded a significant Leinster Championship win. Leaving Kilkenny that day I never expected to wait another 14 years for another one.

I can still remember reacting to the Declan Conroy fist pump (long before Waterford starting doing it!!!) and Paul Cuddy's goal.

Watch here (from 32 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7y1VpQxfco
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on January 29, 2016, 09:34:01 AM
Came across this. How times have changed!

15 years ago this Summer we seemed to be on the brink of a breakthrough. Then the CB Chairman went a bit crazy late in the year and all that had been built up was destroyed.

Still that day in Nowlan Park was a brilliant experience. The first time in 15 or so years that Laois had recorded a significant Leinster Championship win. Leaving Kilkenny that day I never expected to wait another 14 years for another one.

I can still remember reacting to the Declan Conroy fist pump (long before Waterford starting doing it!!!) and Paul Cuddy's goal.

Watch here (from 32 mins) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7y1VpQxfco

My first memory watching Laois senior hurlers as a chap. The cadet bottles were hit hard that day! 😃👍🏻
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 29, 2016, 11:09:47 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-carlow-121-dcu-18-34406144.html

It's great to see some of our lads leading the line in a comprehensive win for IT Carlow.

Roddy King playing for UCD yesterday aswell.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 13, 2016, 02:05:20 PM
Highlights of the Celtic championship under 17 game v Waterford City.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL4RAFa1AwtRYn-227-neUfPhKNNeWp_Gn&v=rLjJ89rE8s4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL4RAFa1AwtRYn-227-neUfPhKNNeWp_Gn&v=rLjJ89rE8s4)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 01, 2016, 12:02:20 AM
Carlow have announced Colm Bonnar as their new hurling manager. Offaly have announced Brian Carroll as Director of hurling coaching. Suppose our County Board have been sitting on their hands since our championship exit?! Probably hoping Cheddar stays on again so they dont have to do anything.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2016, 08:26:54 AM
Carlow have announced Colm Bonnar as their new hurling manager. Offaly have announced Brian Carroll as Director of hurling coaching. Suppose our County Board have been sitting on their hands since our championship exit?! Probably hoping Cheddar stays on again so they dont have to do anything.
You want them to kick down Cheddars door and demand an answer?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 01, 2016, 02:48:57 PM
Carlow have announced Colm Bonnar as their new hurling manager. Offaly have announced Brian Carroll as Director of hurling coaching. Suppose our County Board have been sitting on their hands since our championship exit?! Probably hoping Cheddar stays on again so they dont have to do anything.
You want them to kick down Cheddars door and demand an answer?

Kicking down the door is a bit much, a knock would do!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on September 02, 2016, 11:37:37 AM
Whether Cheddar stays on is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Hurling at county level needs to be completely overhauled from the setanta programme up to senior. Similar to what is happening in offaly. What's happening in laois to change things....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 05, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Goon win for Abbeyleix Gaels at the weekend in the minor hurling replay. Also great to see a Wolfhill man playing his part, being 1 of 3 Ballypickas players on the team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 05, 2016, 01:09:31 PM
Goon win for Abbeyleix Gaels at the weekend in the minor hurling replay. Also great to see a Wolfhill man playing his part, being 1 of 3 Ballypickas players on the team.

Yes, fair play to Abbeyleix. No surprise at all that they are winning at this level and so comprehensively. They are putting in huge work.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Cheddar gone.
Now we are f**ked.
Can see several players not returning also.
Miles behind the other counties searching for replacements. Level with Offaly (and they have a fair headstart on us in their search).

Give it to Arien Delaney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 24, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
Sad news.

There is more to this than meets the eye as Cheddar had agreed to do one more year but with significant changes to his backroom setup.
The idea then was that he would move back to steer our development squads.

It feels like we are back to the Teddy McCarthy times...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 24, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
A sad day for Laois,a man who put his heart soul and money into the Laois set up


Davy's available
 All we need is a €1m budget p.a to renumerate him and his 29 man support team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: welcomehome on September 24, 2016, 01:46:52 PM
sorry to hear about cheddar...did a lot for laois hurling..we have neither football or hurling manager now.... :(
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 24, 2016, 01:48:09 PM
He is a great hurling man and a great Laois man, great respect for all that he has done. But im glad hes gone. Time for the county board to step up now. This will be a crucial appointment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
He is a great hurling man and a great Laois man, great respect for all that he has done. But im glad hes gone. Time for the county board to step up now. This will be a crucial appointment.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on September 24, 2016, 02:05:18 PM
I don't think we'll benefit hugely from an outside appointment. The most sensible thing to do would be to give it to Arien Delaney who has been watching the championship. I have a feeling we're going to be in for a tough few years now until our younger players come up. There are definitely some talented minors from the past few years who are about to burst onto the scene in the next few years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 24, 2016, 02:08:11 PM
The county board to step up? Well, we could be surprised, but plainly we don't have the money for a 'big name', and we don't want an untested outsider, either. I'd say it'll nearly have to be from within the county.

Yes, it is a great pity Cheddar has gone - he has put a lot into what is a thankless task. I hope he can remain involved in underage development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on September 24, 2016, 02:26:43 PM
Merman, as usual you are spot on.

Cheddar had agreed to stay on another year, I was looking forward to seeing the make up of his back room team.
However the County Board would not back Cheddars plans for Laois Hurling for the next few years so it appears he has walked away in frustration.

I do believe he should be Development Officer/Director of hurling in charge of Laois hurling & its coaches from top to bottom, and it would be a n even better role for him than County Manager.

Thanks for your huge efforts Cheddar, & for those days against Galway & Offaly where the hair stood on the back of my neck supporting my County my Hurling team in Portlaoise, I'll remember those two days & the crowd forever

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on September 24, 2016, 02:35:18 PM
Merman, as usual you are spot on.

Cheddar had agreed to stay on another year, I was looking forward to seeing the make up of his back room team.
However the County Board would not back Cheddars plans for Laois Hurling for the next few years so it appears he has walked away in frustration.

I do believe he should be Development Officer/Director of hurling in charge of Laois hurling & its coaches from top to bottom, and it would be a n even better role for him than County Manager.

Thanks for your huge efforts Cheddar, & for those days against Galway & Offaly where the hair stood on the back of my neck supporting my County my Hurling team in Portlaoise, I'll remember those two days & the crowd forever

Well said
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 24, 2016, 09:16:47 PM
Sad to hear Cheddar is gone. Some very memorable days in O'Moore Park. Ogie i would add Clare in the league quarter final to that. When Reddin hit that goal the roof nearly came off of the stand. I really hope Cheddar is given the top job in Laois hurling because once he's involved we'll only get better. It's imperative the CB keep him on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 24, 2016, 09:35:55 PM
If the CB wouldn't back him for one more year as senior manager then what's to say they would back him as Director of hurling or whatever role he'd go for. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on September 25, 2016, 09:00:58 AM
Cheddar should take the power off these idiots who won't back him and stand for county board chairman himself. Cheddar could lead Laois GAA forward.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on September 25, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Fair play to Cheddar, people think Laois hurling was at rock bottom after the Cork defeat in 2011, it could have got even lower. Literally no one wanted the job but Cheddar took up the reins and got some pride back in the jersey.  He did a great job with limited talent. He would be an ideal person to oversee player development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on September 27, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
The problem now is where do we go from here ..? A lot of players played for Cheddar ,not many other men in Laois would have the same influence . Hopefully Cheddar will have a say in who we appoint going forward .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on September 27, 2016, 11:30:10 AM
If the county board were unwilling to fund cheddar, who has probably saved them alot of money over the last few years, the chances are that they are unwilling to go out and spend big on a outside manager. I actually felt that cheddars time should of been up after this year, for all the good he has done since 2013 it seemed to go stale and their was regression this year, partly due to a number of retirements to be fair. If they are going to go with a laois man I think that the number 1 target should be Niall Rigney again. He is proven with Laois and has achieved success since his last stint too. Another possibility I could see would be Arien Delaney from Camross, who I felt has done a great job with that team considering where they were before he took over.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2016, 12:19:41 PM
Do you think he'd get a couple of the Camross boys to commit?
I don't think it'll be Rigney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on September 27, 2016, 12:21:45 PM
What camross lads were you thinking ? G Burke ZKeenan
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Yes, them's the very ones I was thinking of!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on September 27, 2016, 12:26:00 PM
Arien Delaney would be an interesting option . Honestly couldnt see Niall Rigney getting involved with the Senior Hurlers again.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 27, 2016, 02:58:13 PM
Brendan Cummins?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 27, 2016, 03:25:15 PM
In fairness even under Cheddar it was hard to get Camross lads to commit.

A manager should not be chosen based on whether or not Camross lads will commit.

If Rigney wanted it I'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 27, 2016, 06:14:44 PM
I have nothing but respect for Niall Rigney but he has had a very difficult year with Lisdowney.
I know we won't have many banging down the door looking for the job but I would be inclined to look elsewhere.

Arien Delaney would probably have been my first choice but I think he has a different commitment lined up.

I'm inclined to think we need to look at an overall package rather than one man. Someone like Kevin Martin or Ken Hogan could be an option as manager with names like Paul Cuddy, John O' Sullivan, Eamonn Kelly, John Taylor, Cyril Duggan, Noel Delaney, Eamon Jackman and Tommy Kenna to come in as selectors/coaches. Outsiders that come to mind for a similar role would be Eddie Brennan, Michael Kavanagh or Tommy Dunne.

I'd have a fear that the pot for a decent Hurling setup could be quite on the empty side seeing as we seem to have appointed an outside manager, coach and 2 selectors for our football team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on September 27, 2016, 06:25:07 PM
Pat Critchley is he available ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on September 27, 2016, 06:33:46 PM
I think Pat is driving his new hurling pathways plan atm so he's not available!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 27, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
Just to clarify lads if management for minor and under 21 is vacant ?
Looking at Eamon Jackman would be a good option at underage and minor level. High regard from previous Laois minor players who worked under them.
The big thing in Laois hurling as well as Cheddar stepping down but also drop in standards at Setanta level from previous years. Hopefully that can be sorted to enhance player development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on September 27, 2016, 08:12:03 PM
Shane Corby has been retained as U21 manager.
It's not confirmed or anything but plenty around the county would have heard that Arien Delaney is the incoming Minor manager.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 27, 2016, 08:18:46 PM
Shane Corby has been retained as U21 manager.
It's not confirmed or anything but plenty around the county would have heard that Arien Delaney is the incoming Minor manager.

Heard something along those lines also Merman had to be sure. Should be a nice few Camross youngsters on it anyways as they won u16 championship in 2015, regardless if Arien Delaney takes post. Best wishes to him if he does!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2016, 08:26:54 PM
I take it that minor is still u-18 at county level next year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 27, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
As far as I know the motion to change minor from u18 to u17 will take place in 2018 at intercounty level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 28, 2016, 10:23:10 AM
Why the delay, what's stopping this happening next year seeing as most counties have club u17 games this year?

On the hurling post, if there is supposed to be outside investment for the football appointment is it not time that there was a similar arrangement for the hurling post? Surely there are enough people with vested interest to put some money into the set up. What about an umbrella group something like 'Friends of Laois hurling' who would raise funds etc.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:06:24 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jim-gavin-urges-rivals-to-demand-funding-from-croke-park-380586.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/when-it-comes-to-financial-clout-dublin-are-in-whole-different-league-35065255.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/o-fearghail-agrees-dubs-funding-needs-review-380186.html

Have a read of these articles, and tell me we shouldnt be doing more to get extra funding from GAA HQ. Tell me we shouldnt be fighting tooth and nail, and getting other 'smaller' counties to come together and take a stand for equal, or at least, a fairer funding/support setup. Dublin has received more funding than the other 31 counties combined for the last few years. Its a disgrace and everyone just sits back and accepts it! Theres loads of other articles too! Our county board are useless and spineless.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 28, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
That they are. That they are.

Cheddar and Zoom went with plans, and were told to f**k off by Croke Park. Croke Park dont give a f**k. Accept it, and find another way. Stop bitching and start doing. That road is closed. Find another, or lie down and die.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:53:59 AM
Cheddar was told to f**k off by our own county board!!

Wise council though, accept the blatant inequalities etc and just beg other people for money...  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 28, 2016, 12:24:01 PM
Cheddar was told to f**k off by our own county board!!

Wise council though, accept the blatant inequalities etc and just beg other people for money...  ::)
He was told to f**k off my you plenty of times on here too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 01:41:30 PM
Yes, whats your point?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 02:16:08 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on September 28, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
I hear the next man in will be another Laois man!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 28, 2016, 04:45:13 PM
They have someone already? Janey.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 07:17:51 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on September 28, 2016, 10:35:42 PM
Any names mentioned for senior post or too early to say?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 10:53:10 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.

So its more money, more coaches, better facilities, more equipment?
Structures and support networks are nice buzz words- very general though.

For someone who was so keen to see the back of Mr. Plunkett I'd have thought there was something more concrete going to come.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.

So its more money, more coaches, better facilities, more equipment?
Structures and support networks are nice buzz words- very general though.

For someone who was so keen to see the back of Mr. Plunkett I'd have thought there was something more concrete going to come.

Here Keyser, less of the stupid bullshit digs and more sensible comments that actually contribute, stop making a fool of yourself!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 28, 2016, 11:01:07 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.
So no other solutions then.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:02:57 PM
And Don you can jog on back to the football threads, maybe someone there finds you as hilarious as you find yourself! 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 28, 2016, 11:09:34 PM
Tipp have 4 GDO's,1 for each division,so it's not just about throwing money at the problem,it's much more nuanced than that.

How many national schools here would run lunchtime or after school leagues and that's just 1 example where the approach in Tipperary or Kilkenny is radically different from that of here.

People here laud cheddar and Critchley for the hurling work they do,go into any club in Tipp or KK and there's a cheddar or Critchley in situ in each club.

Even a simple thing as juvenile pitch's aren't  up to scratch here,compare them again to what's available in KK or Tipp and don't come whining about grants or croke park,most of them were put in on the backs of their members.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 11:14:10 PM
In fact dont bother, thanks for highlighting the obvious, i didnt want Cheddar to continue as senior hurling manager. But whatever he looked for from the county board would have only been for the good of Laois hurling, we all know enough about the man to know that. But the county board didnt want to know about it obviously. Id love to know the details.

Have you any other solutions other than the "Bang the door of Croke Park down"?

Yes, have a read back through the thread. Have you??
It just does my head in that there is such an unfair allocation of funding from the GAA and no one questions it. Smaller counties are second class citizens in the GAA world and its simply not right and not good enough. And at the end of the day, we all know this amateur sport is being driven by money.
We need more full time coaching development officers, going to clubs and going to schools. Going to other counties like Kilkeny or clare or waterford etc to see what structures are in place. We need to be pushing ahead trying to encourage and support more people to get involved in coaching, we need better facilities and equipment at every club. And a lot of this of course, costs money!! And i personally cant go and get it or set up better structures and support networks, but the county board can at least try! Highlighting their failures on here in the hope more people think the same and at county board meetings or club meetings that this is requested. Ask them what are they doing about any of the above? Or is there any plan to do anything? I want the best for Laois hurling, same as anyone else here. Just trying to work out how we can get it. But unfortunately we DO need money, and we aint gona get it unless we go looking and fighting for it. Were going no where fast at the moment.

So its more money, more coaches, better facilities, more equipment?
Structures and support networks are nice buzz words- very general though.

For someone who was so keen to see the back of Mr. Plunkett I'd have thought there was something more concrete going to come.

Here Keyser, less of the stupid bullshit digs and more sensible comments that actually contribute, stop making a fool of yourself!

No digs at all. All facts. Stevie Wonder can see that we need the stuff you suggested above. There is nothing intelligent or remarkable about it. Every club and county in the country would say they wanted that list.
The crux of it is that you wanted Cheddar gone. You were clear about that. That's your choice. Now that it's happened what do you suggest?
Nothing as far as I can see. It reminds me a little of the Brexit campaigners.

"Making a fool of yourself".....ye.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 28, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
Keyser im not trying to sound "intelligent or remarkable"! Just offering an opinion, part of the discussion of whats wrong and how we can fix it! Which is a hell of a lot more than you're doing! You keep having a go at what people are saying yet you contribute f**k all!! I dont have all the answers, never claimed to! Its a f**king discussion! If even Stevie Wonder can see whats needed then why isnt being tackled?!
And clonadmad is right, its not all about money, but i think its a fair chunk of it! KK and Tipp have had great success at almost every level for a while now, its that bit easier to get volunteers and sponsors in counties like that. Laois needs a push and it needs help.
I agree with Mermans take on it that we need a kind of package deal with a few good coaches for the senior job, and i would agree with most of the names he mentioned too. 

What do YOU think Keyser?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 28, 2016, 11:59:47 PM
Jesus Christ.

There is no blank cheque on the way from Croke Park. Can you please accept that. How many different posters here have to spell that out for you?

So basically now we have gotten to the end of your ideas and they are as follows;
1) More Money
2) More Coaches
3) Whatever Merman says.

Yes you are really contributing.

The issue I have is that you spent the last year/year and a half SHOUTING for Cheddar to go- and now that it has happened- you have absolutely nothing to suggest of your own thinking.

My first solution would have been to back Cheddar's proposal to the CB. I believe that it is a decision we will live to regret.
Now that it hasn't happened the only solution I see is for Arien Delaney to get the job (Please read back to find this). Nobody else within Laois has proved themselves anywhere near capable. Nobody of sufficient calibre outside of Laois will want the job. They are the facts Mr. O' Tool. You should be careful what you wish for.

Maybe we should go banging Croke Park's door down asking them to pay Davy €200k to manage us.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 12:36:32 AM
 ;D you're still making a fool of yourself, and still contributing nothing! I never mentioned a blank cheque!??
I said i agree with most of the names Merman mentioned, i wouldnt go with Arien Delaney though, dont think hes our man! Hes not even liked in Camross! I agree with a lot of what Merman has to say because he talks sense a lot!
Careful what you wish for?! Get a life will ya! Also, no one outside the county wants the job? Thats not a fact thats your opinion! Do you happen to know what his proposal was? Sounds like you do? Although, as ive mentioned already, im sure that it was for the benefit of Laois hurling. Im with Cheddar on a lot of things, he spouts on more about extra funding from croke park more than i do!! I just dont want him as senior hurling manager! I hated his tactics. Another opinion! I just want a good hurling coach or coaches, who want to play hurling, continue the pro set up cheddar brought in, train to a high standard, encourage the players to express themselves on the field, and have a go, rather than sit back and defend and shoot from 50/60 yards! That was depressing and it didnt work! Oh yea it did one day against Offaly sorry.
Now bore off and annoy someone else!  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 29, 2016, 09:43:30 AM
Is the reason arien delaney is disliked down to the fact he is origionally a kyle man, im not taking the piss its just ive found camross to be a fierce tribal place
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
You're  having a laugh Finnbar if you think Arien Delaney is not liked in Camross. Up there they don't play politics with their hurling and Arien always got the  best from their players and I can assure you he is well liked for that
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 10:13:19 AM
As for being fierce tribal Ballyroan, Camross and Kyle  have played together underage since time began.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 10:41:43 AM
You're  having a laugh Finnbar if you think Arien Delaney is not liked in Camross. Up there they don't play politics with their hurling and Arien always got the  best from their players and I can assure you he is well liked for that

Just going on what a few Camross people have told me!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2016, 10:54:38 AM
Who is this Finabr O Tool idiot.

People like you are exactly why we needed moderators on laoistalk.com and why it was eventually removed.

Calm yourself down there. Toys back in the pram. Good lad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:01:32 AM
Thanks for your input Tony! Valuable contribution!  ;)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2016, 11:12:21 AM
Yeah. Your posts read like an spoilt 12-year-old who has just found the internet for the first time with a laptop that his mother gave him for his birthday. Much appreciated that you've taken that advice on board. Cheers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 29, 2016, 11:17:52 AM
Lads, ye may not agree with finbar's opinions but no need to be having a go at him personally. He's entitled to his opinion the same as everyone else.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:21:11 AM
That makes no sense whatsoever Tony but thanks for trying! And you're suggesting in immature?! Another one who should stick to the football!  :D
Cheers redsetanta!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 29, 2016, 11:29:07 AM
Lads, ye may not agree with finbar's opinions but no need to be having a go at him personally. He's entitled to his opinion the same as everyone else.
Personal? He just fired about a rumor that insulted all of Camross and Arien Delaney. All from behind his his anonymous username. Sorry but he's well able to throw it out so he should take it as well
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on September 29, 2016, 11:50:51 AM
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but there's a way of delivering your opinion that doesn't give everyone else a headache. Also getting very personal about delaney and camross which is out of line. He needs to calm down.

PS we're entitled to have an interest in both football and hurling, believe it or not.

Sounds like you need to calm down, relax and take a little break from the keyboard finbar.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on September 29, 2016, 12:06:16 PM
Just be careful posting sh*te here lads. If it's damaging to a person's reputation, you could be looking down the barrel of a lawsuit. I don't think "I was being sarcastic" or "twas only a joke" will help you in court.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
 :o jaysus lads im perfectly calm, yere the ones firing shots! Dont shoot the messenger, im only saying what 3 different Camross people told me! Relaying info that he wasnt liked, if thats "getting very personal" then apologies for that! Im not out to offend anyone, certainly not the whole of Camross!  :D i thought this was a forum discussing hurling and possible manager options for the senior team?! As far as i can see the likes of Don, Tony and Keyser are able leave digs and smart ass comments about my, and others, posts on here and now IM a keyboard warrior or something?! Get a f**king grip will ye!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on September 29, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Jeez just because someone cant name a replacement for Cheddar they shouldnt want him gone?
I would agree with some of Finbars points and no I dont have all the answers either.
If anyone here had all the answers I would expect they would be in the running for County Chairman!!

Cheddar cannot be faulted for his passion for Laois hurling and I would love to see him in some position in the County Board but I do feel that his time as manager is gone. Arien Delaney would not be a favourite of mine for the job either. (no, I dont have the answers)

Leave out the personal attacks and also the attacks on those who have a different opinion!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 29, 2016, 01:27:32 PM
You're  having a laugh Finnbar if you think Arien Delaney is not liked in Camross. Up there they don't play politics with their hurling and Arien always got the  best from their players and I can assure you he is well liked for that

Yeah but plenty of rivals are joined at underage, and camross would have taken lads off of kyle down through the years, they had no problem providing gilmartin an address when he left in 2013
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 03:01:47 PM
But Ballyroan why would this be a reason you give as to why Arien is disliked in Camross
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on September 29, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
From what i i know brian whelan was the first manager they had from outside the club and it didnt go down too well with some, there are probably people in camross who see him as an outsider still, to be fair theres a good chance im wrong
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 29, 2016, 03:28:18 PM
OK fair play to you Ballyroan, just think Laois could do a lot worse and have Cheddar in the picture as overall director of Laois hurling
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 29, 2016, 03:39:14 PM
Taken from the friends of Laois Hurling Facebook page.


An open letter from Cheddar:

"In stepping down from the role of Laois Senior hurling team manager I would like to take the opportunity to thank people who were very helpful along the journey.

To begin with I would like to express my gratitude to CLG Laois, and in particular to Chairman Gerry Kavanagh, for affording me the huge honour to manage my county team and for supporting the team. The privilege of leading a group of Laois hurling warriors on championship Sundays will not be surpassed wherever one goes.

I would like to express real gratitude to my fellow management colleagues over the past four years for the support and the dedication they have given to the team and to me personally.

I am also very grateful to the Laois hurling clubs for their support to our county players in their preparations for League and Championship games and I am really thankful to all of the underage coaches in each club who give unstinting and mostly unappreciated service to improving their players so that they are capable of stepping up to senior club and inter-county hurling.

Clubs also made their facilities available to us at different times and this was always done in the most positive and supportive way.

I would also like to pay tribute to all Laois hurling supporters who followed our team to some distant places and though results may not have went our way they patiently turned up again the next day to unconditionally support our players. The support given to the team at our games in O’Moore Park was extra special and memorable and meant an awful lot to the team and management.

I also appreciate the fair and balanced reporting of all of our games by all media outlets. In particular the respect shown to our players by our local newspapers and radio is sincerely acknowledged.

Lastly but most importantly I would particularly like to express my deep gratitude to all the Laois players who committed so earnestly to the Laois senior hurling team for the last four years. I greatly valued the support and respect shown to me and the other members of the management team and I will take very happy memories and lasting friendships from my time as manager.

Your total dedication to the hard training necessary to improve our performance standards and our county’s standing, perhaps best demonstrated by your commitment to preparing for the All Ireland qualifiers in each of the four years, is to be admired. It is very easy to do that when you are regularly playing in League, Leinster or All-Ireland finals but when that prize is not as closely within your reach then it needs much greater character and love of place to commit yourself to the task.

Indeed that commitment was even more tested for those players who may not have got the playing opportunities of others. These are the real heroes I admire in every county panel. You are an exceptional group of players and, notwithstanding that CLG Laois has much immediate work to do at development level, I predict a bright future for the present Laois senior hurling team in the coming years.

I believe that the incoming management has a very dedicated and skilful young panel to work with, who will be coming into their peak performance years, and the job now comes with attractions. I would like to wish the new manager and his management team the very best for the future.

I also realise there is some ongoing conversation about the matter but I would prefer that we all move on and instead quickly get on with the work to put in place a new senior management team to lead the team forward in 2017.

Thanks again to everyone for your support.

Yours sincerely

Cheddar"
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on September 29, 2016, 04:54:59 PM
A man with a bit of class.

Fair play to him. I know the style of hurling wasn't to everyone's liking but he brought a passion and commitment to the setup that was missing for years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 08:36:29 PM
A man with a bit of class.

Fair play to him. I know the style of hurling wasn't to everyone's liking but he brought a passion and commitment to the setup that was missing for years.

That's it exactly, and not a bit surprising!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 08:36:47 PM
Finbar,
All I ever asked of you was what would you suggest. All you seemed able to reply was “look for more money off Croke Park” and then more “coaches etc” and then “what Merman said”. (Obviously they are not exact quotes).
All I have been doing is saying that somebody who effectively campaigned on here for Cheddar to go for I would say at least the last 12 months has surely at some stage thought of a replacement?
You’ve told me twice to “stop making a fool of yourself”- (makes no sense in the context of our discussion btw) while you have told at least two posters that they should “stick to the football threads”. I suggested Arien Delaney in the first post on Cheddar going. You don’t agree with him getting it either. Again as is your entitlement. Have you posted a single suggestion as  manager? Apologies If you have and I missed it.
Nobody has asked Finbar for all the answers- just a single concrete suggestion would be useful when the poster in question has been looking for change for a long time. I don’t understand how you could be chanting (metaphorically speaking!) “Cheddar out!” for 12-18 months and never even consider who’d replace him.
Finally, Finbar,you are correct in saying that I don’t know that no outside people are interested. I never said that! I could retype what I actually said, but if you couldn’t read it properly the first time I don’t see the point!
I have no problem posting back and forth but please leave out things like “stop making a fool of yourself”, “get a life”, “stick to the football”, “if you don’t leave me alone I’ll get Merman to beat you up” and all that kind of stuff.
Cheers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: beano on September 29, 2016, 08:56:57 PM

Hard to know who will get it. In a dream world Anthony Daly!! What about someone like Conor Gleeson from Tipp?

A big effort is needed next year with our underage. I wonder from the original Setanta Coaches that brought through, Cha Dwyer, PJ scully , and the likes of Joe Campion are they still involved in the Setanta Programme?. Has it changed that much that we are not bringing through skillful hurlers??

Whats the story with our development squads? Are we just fulfilling fixture or is there actually coaching going on?

Apart from Mountrath is there much work as in proper coaching going on in the other schools?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 09:40:29 PM
Rathdowney Errill's Brian Young is quite highly rated and well connected. Would he be worth a shot?

It's hard to see the likes of Brendan Cummins giving up the handy media work to do a job like this.

Unfortunately nobody is going to put the work that Cheddar did into it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on September 29, 2016, 10:11:47 PM
Does anyone know the reason why cheddar decided to resign?? How did he go from arranging his back room team to resigning in a few days. In his letter he had only good words to say about Geery Kavanagh and the co board. Gerry Kavanagh stated that there was no fall out and that he didn't know why cheddar had resigned.
Don't want to be too pessimistic but this could set us back further than we ever have been.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 29, 2016, 10:16:55 PM
Does anyone know the reason why cheddar decided to resign?? How did he go from arranging his back room team to resigning in a few days. In his letter he had only good words to say about Geery Kavanagh and the co board. Gerry Kavanagh stated that there was no fall out and that he didn't know why cheddar had resigned.
Don't want to be too pessimistic but this could set us back further than we ever have been.
I suspect you're not being pessimistic, in fact, deadly accurate and possibly optimistic.

Cheddar was too much of a gentleman to say anything that could damage Laois Hurling. I think we can all read between the lines. We didn't know what we had. We will when its gone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:00:09 PM
Finbar,
All I ever asked of you was what would you suggest. All you seemed able to reply was “look for more money off Croke Park” and then more “coaches etc” and then “what Merman said”. (Obviously they are not exact quotes).
All I have been doing is saying that somebody who effectively campaigned on here for Cheddar to go for I would say at least the last 12 months has surely at some stage thought of a replacement?
You’ve told me twice to “stop making a fool of yourself”- (makes no sense in the context of our discussion btw) while you have told at least two posters that they should “stick to the football threads”. I suggested Arien Delaney in the first post on Cheddar going. You don’t agree with him getting it either. Again as is your entitlement. Have you posted a single suggestion as  manager? Apologies If you have and I missed it.
Nobody has asked Finbar for all the answers- just a single concrete suggestion would be useful when the poster in question has been looking for change for a long time. I don’t understand how you could be chanting (metaphorically speaking!) “Cheddar out!” for 12-18 months and never even consider who’d replace him.
Finally, Finbar,you are correct in saying that I don’t know that no outside people are interested. I never said that! I could retype what I actually said, but if you couldn’t read it properly the first time I don’t see the point!
I have no problem posting back and forth but please leave out things like “stop making a fool of yourself”, “get a life”, “stick to the football”, “if you don’t leave me alone I’ll get Merman to beat you up” and all that kind of stuff.
Cheers.

Stop making a fool of yourself Keyser!  ;D

"This could set us back further than we have ever been"
Don: you're possibly being optimistic.

Ah jaysus lads, you'd swear the only man who ever knew anything about hurling just died!

What Giovanni said about cheddar was spot on.

Theres no point throwing a name out there for the sake of it if you dont know what a man is like as a coach! Seen as i HAVE to pick someone to replace cheddar or Keyser is going to have a breakdown and Merman might kick my ass, i would pick, Tom Mullally, if i could! He has great experience, and a great record, yet not too much of a big name that he would break the bank.
Thats my tuppance worth!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on September 29, 2016, 11:22:39 PM
After all your pleading for me to give you a name, thats all i get?!  :'(

Admit it, you just googled Tom Mullally didnt you!  ;)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 11:31:14 PM
It is  becoming clearer that Tool that you don't actually realise the difference Cheddar made in the past 4 years. The change he (and nobody else brought about). Even that wasn't enough.

There are clever guys cherrypicking around the club scene that wouldn't touch a low ranking intercounty job with a barge pole. I'd include a certain Mr. K. Hogan in that. Not a criticism of theirs, an observation.

If we appoint an outsider, I will be shocked if it is someone of the calibre required. Time will tell.

I am with Don here. I can see the arse falling off our senior intercounty team. I hope I am wrong
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 29, 2016, 11:32:38 PM
After all your pleading for me to give you a name, thats all i get?!  :'(

Admit it, you just googled Tom Mullally didnt you!  ;)

Hardly.
If you want to play it like this. I was pleading with you to stop talking shite. But you don't seem hectic at picking things up.

It took you 18 months to come up with a name. Well done. Take a well earned break now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 30, 2016, 08:47:31 AM
I am with Don here. I can see the arse falling off our senior intercounty team. I hope I am wrong
It will give me no pleasure to be right here. None whatsoever.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on September 30, 2016, 12:29:12 PM
At the end of the day we will prObably always struggle to break into the top 8 In hurling.
Somewhere between 10th and 14th seems to be where we always lie.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 01, 2016, 07:57:43 AM
Laois might be better served if cheddar was to become director for hurling in the county. Ideally this would be a full time position but I don't know whether that's possible for a number of reasons. Cheddar has given everything to the senior hurlers in the past four years while still maintaining his profession. Could he put in the same time and effort into the director of hurling role (as an amateur) if it wasn't feasible full time? It would be a big ask of the man but there's no doubting the incredible passion and love he has for his county. It's been said on many occasions but this man HAS to stay involved and he HAS to be given the support for HQ an Co. Board level to drive hurling on in the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tony on October 07, 2016, 11:48:06 AM
Saw a headline today "Davy Fitzgerald on verge of Surprising New Appointment" .....

Got excited for a second only to find out he's on the verge of joining Wexford. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2016, 12:45:32 AM
Who is there?

Arien Delaney, Niall Rigney, Paul Cuddy, David Cuddy, Brian Young, Ken Hogan, Kevin Martin, John O' Sullivan, Kevin Martin, Joe Dooley.......
I can't think of too many more who would actually be possibilities. KK were beaten in Offaly, Martin Fogarty would hardly be interested?

Also, unless Cheddar is even more super human than I imagined, expecting him to take up a "Director of Hurling" type role, when he resigned as Senior manager because some faction (players/executive/clubs) didn't want to support him in continuing on, is a bit rich.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2016, 09:16:15 AM
Lots of rumours doing the rounds that John O' Sullivan is the front-runner for this.

I'd be surprised if we look outside the county and in terms of playing/coaching at a high level, O' Sullivan is arguably better matched than anyone else previously mentioned.
I'd maintain that it's the overall management team that is crucial; I'd be quite happy if he was a part of it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 08, 2016, 09:36:08 AM
I fear for laois hurling, we as a county had the chance to let cheddar put a strategic vision for the future of laois hurling in place but the cb blew it because they are muppets who don't give a sh1t about hurling in laois, we are not a duel county we are a football county where hurling is tolerated as an afterthought.We will get the cheapest possible option in now as mgr and I guarantee this time next year we will have dropped a division in hurling and won't last long in senior hurling . It breaks my heart to say it but we are are fecked and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2016, 09:44:48 AM
I understand your pessimism but I was talking with a former player and he made a very valid point.

We simply don't have the requisite pool of intercounty level hurlers to make any tangible progress in the short to medium term.
Perhaps we might be better served to have Cheddar and Pat Critchley working with out Development Squads and trying to impact change in the long-term.

Our Senior panel for next year, following retirements over the last couple of years, will be very young but at a level somewhere between 10th-15th in the country. A new coach with a fresh emphasis might keep things progressing but essentially we're only doing what all other counties at our level are doing; we're falling even further behind those counties ahead of us.

We need a fundamental change at juvenile level. The Setanta programme was a decent first step but we have a long, long road still to travel. Leave our current Games and Development Officer to handle the football side, if the clubs so choose, but give Cheddar control of the 2 Hurling GDAs and the Juvenile Hurling processes. Then we might see a change...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2016, 02:06:35 PM
give Cheddar control of the 2 Hurling GDAs and the Juvenile Hurling processes. Then we might see a change...

Do you think he would take that on?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2016, 02:12:45 PM
give Cheddar control of the 2 Hurling GDAs and the Juvenile Hurling processes. Then we might see a change...

Do you think he would take that on?

I don't honestly know. 
The more I think about Laois hurling, the more convinced I am that we need a complete overhaul from bottom to top. We need to bring through a better standard of juvenile club hurler to drive up the levels required to make the intercounty panels.

I heard a suggestion that Cheddar will go into work with our U13s/14s. I'm sure he would do great work but we just need someone to make sure that we are getting the highest standard of hurlers from the earliest age possible.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 08, 2016, 02:57:48 PM
I fear for laois hurling, we as a county had the chance to let cheddar put a strategic vision for the future of laois hurling in place but the cb blew it because they are muppets who don't give a sh1t about hurling in laois, we are not a duel county we are a football county where hurling is tolerated as an afterthought.We will get the cheapest possible option in now as mgr and I guarantee this time next year we will have dropped a division in hurling and won't last long in senior hurling . It breaks my heart to say it but we are are fecked and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Hear here.

We get what we deserve in this county. Some brave souls have tried over the decades to save hurling, but they end up geting blackguarded by their own because thats the Laois way.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sanny on October 09, 2016, 07:50:59 PM
Looking at today's county final it must sicken Cheddar to see at lot of his players stand up and be counted in the best possible way . Whoever couldn't see past their own agenda and seek support for Cheddar's plan for Laois hurling should be ashamed of themselves ? If this were a business, the board would be questioned after countless ridiculous decisions?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on October 11, 2016, 01:25:10 PM
I watched the highlights of the county final on TG4, it really showed the skill level is in Laois hurlers. I know there is a big difference between club and county but the raw materials are there for incoming management. It highlights a couple of things regarding Cheddar's reign, 1. The players that have been on the county panel under his training have obviously improved vastly from it, 2. the downside was Cheddar focused on a damage limitation plan where this game showed Laois players might be better suited to an attacking brand of hurling, most of the scores were of serious quality for all angels and distances. Laois CB would do well to make Cheddar as player development office or some such title to help get the standard of the underage players up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on October 11, 2016, 02:23:20 PM
I watched the highlights of the county final on TG4, it really showed the skill level is in Laois hurlers. I know there is a big difference between club and county but the raw materials are there for incoming management. It highlights a couple of things regarding Cheddar's reign, 1. The players that have been on the county panel under his training have obviously improved vastly from it, 2. the downside was Cheddar focused on a damage limitation plan where this game showed Laois players might be better suited to an attacking brand of hurling, most of the scores were of serious quality for all angels and distances. Laois CB would do well to make Cheddar as player development office or some such title to help get the standard of the underage players up.

Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 02:40:27 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.
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Would have to agree totally with this
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2016, 05:55:20 PM
I guess we'll see next year if this is the case.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 11, 2016, 06:20:37 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this
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Nail on the head!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 06:49:08 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this

Nail on the head!
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I think ye are being deliberately selective in what you are reading from the original.
Surely it is fair to say that the structures, physical conditioning programme and exposure to top level preparation and coaching that Laois players have been exposed to in the last few years has improved them. A huge number of players on show last Sunday were part of this.

I am not saying that Cheddar was/is the only man capable of delivering this type of set up, but he was without the question the first man to ever put this in place for Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2016, 07:00:36 PM
Without doubt as I, ve said before cheddar did bring pride back to Laois hurling and nobody could ever critise his commitment to Laois.
His style of hurling wouldnt be something id be a fan of and after the final on Sunday I will stand by that.
To see 15 on 15 going hard for scores and not giving an inch is something we havent seen for a long time and I for one would  love to see more of that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 07:54:28 PM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this

Nail on the head!

I think ye are being deliberately selective in what you are reading from the original.
Surely it is fair to say that the structures, physical conditioning programme and exposure to top level preparation and coaching that Laois players have been exposed to in the last few years has improved them. A huge number of players on show last Sunday were part of this.

I am not saying that Cheddar was/is the only man capable of delivering this type of set up, but he was without the question the first man to ever put this in place for Laois.
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Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2016, 09:30:25 PM
Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair

He did, but nothing like the past couple of years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on October 11, 2016, 11:54:59 PM
Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair

He did, but nothing like the past couple of years.

Maybe not but tactically far superior
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on October 12, 2016, 09:31:14 AM
Rigney  had never the same financial backing that was in place during Cheddars reign .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on October 12, 2016, 10:13:09 AM



Not sure how much of last Sundays display from both teams can be attributed to Cheddar plunkett. The Laois team never played a front foot attacking brand of hurling whatsoever. In fact I recall early this year in February in the first round of the league at HOME in O'Moore Park to KERRY playing sweepers and all sort. Kerry went out and played great front foot attacking hurling and completely out hurled Laois.

There is a Kilkenny man in charge of Rathdowney and a Tipperary man over Borris Kilcotten. Maybe the display last Sunday should be attributed to the players and team managers.



Would have to agree totally with this

Nail on the head!

I think ye are being deliberately selective in what you are reading from the original.
Surely it is fair to say that the structures, physical conditioning programme and exposure to top level preparation and coaching that Laois players have been exposed to in the last few years has improved them. A huge number of players on show last Sunday were part of this.

I am not saying that Cheddar was/is the only man capable of delivering this type of set up, but he was without the question the first man to ever put this in place for Laois.
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This is the point I was making, I did not mean Cheddar thought these guys to play hurling or was a tactical expert, I mean he brought in a level of professionalism that has greatly improved our players. It would be very foolish to say otherwise. I am not saying the management of both clubs had no part in it, but what percentage of time did the county panellists train with the clubs in last couple of years compared to county training sessions? I just mean Cheddars hard work is bearing fruit for our hurlers. Tactically he did not bring out the best in them but that was his call. For this reason I would have him overseeing our underage player development.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 12, 2016, 07:22:43 PM
Niall rigney seemed to have a fairly professional set up to be fair

He did, but nothing like the past couple of years.

Maybe not but tactically far superior

Such as when? I don't remember the team having results to match/better those of the last four years? Could be wrong, but I don't remember. Ran the likes of Limerick close once or twice, but that hardly trumps beating Offaly, running Galway close twice, Clare in a league quarter final, or Cork in the league?
I genuinely don't remember a series of results to match that?
We got some fair trouncings under Rigney to.

Rigney  had never the same financial backing that was in place during Cheddars reign .
Depends what you mean by "backing" and which question you are answering.
1) Did the county board contribute the same amount to both set ups? Possibly- I don't know.
2) Was more spent of coaches, physios, training camps, player welfare etc during Cheddar's reign? There was no comparison.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 27, 2016, 11:30:15 AM
Any talk or rumours as to who's coming in to take over the seniors?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on October 27, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
Gary Kirby I have heard
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 27, 2016, 11:00:22 PM
Really? What's he been at lately?
They'd want to get a move on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 28, 2016, 08:39:23 AM
Really? What's he been at lately?
They'd want to get a move on.
Won the Limerick Championship last week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 02, 2016, 02:57:09 PM
This Gary Kirby rumour seems to be gathering pace I heard it off two different people ove rthe weekend one with good connections as regards this sort of news..
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: OTF on November 02, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
Really? What's he been at lately?
They'd want to get a move on.

Works for JP, security man at the Manor
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 02, 2016, 08:35:25 PM
Depends how good Patrickswell go in Munster . Wont commit if there competing and winning in Munster and wont step down if Croker awaits in March .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on November 07, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
Eamon Kelly announced as the laois senior hurling manager this evening at Laois county board meeting. He only stepped down from Offaly post after one year in the position.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 07, 2016, 09:31:19 PM
How much better than Cheddar is he? Not the most inspiring of apppintments.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on November 07, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 07, 2016, 11:11:34 PM
Any idea why he resigned from the Offaly job.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 07, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 08, 2016, 08:58:39 AM
Not the worst appointment . Kelly will take no sh*t  whatsoever and lads will be either on board his train or not . Best of luck to him .
Selector appointments will be interesting .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 08, 2016, 09:33:39 AM
Not the worst appointment . Kelly will take no sh*t  whatsoever and lads will be either on board his train or not . Best of luck to him .
Selector appointments will be interesting .
You'd feel for him, because its most likely he'll find the situation to be similar to that in Offaly last year, the full deck won't be available to him. However unlike Offay, where they and their fat arses were lazy, Laois' players will be burnt out and either taking a year out, or retired.

Are Tipp our new overlords?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 08, 2016, 09:34:09 AM
Not exactly a show stopping appointment but sure what did we expect...I heard he was at the county final replay but so were so many others from a close proximity after what the read heard or saw of the first game.

Maybe Ken hogan could be part of his back room staff?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 08, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Maybe Ken hogan could be part of his back room staff

That would be a good call I think .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 08, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Piece from The Leinster Express about Kelly. Decent track record, hopefully it continues.

http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/222933/eamonn-kelly-appointed-new-laois-senior-hurling-manager.html (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/222933/eamonn-kelly-appointed-new-laois-senior-hurling-manager.html)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 08, 2016, 05:28:32 PM
Hard to know what to make of this.

He left Offaly for one of two reasons;

1) He couldn't be bothered dealing any longer with a handful of troublesome players and former "greats" in the media.
2) He wanted more money.

I don't think either looks great from our point of view.

Apparently he had a very good set up in Offaly- but that doesn't necessarily mean much considering he was coming after the shambles that was Brian Whelehan's set up!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on November 08, 2016, 05:44:13 PM
In fairness he has lots of experience, he seems like a decent appointment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 05:53:08 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on November 08, 2016, 06:45:23 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.

I think that statement he made is bullshit, covering up an underlying problem there. From looking at the Offaly forum some people think the players were happy with him and he brought a very pro set up but the county board wouldnt fully back him for what he wanted to do or something to that effect?
I think Conor Gleeson is coming with him from last year.
Interesting that Butch Stapleton wins player of the year this year after leaving the county team, and Darren Maher did the same thing last year! Were they happier and hurling better for being being away from the set up? That cant be a good thing? Has it become too much of a commitment for some?
Hope the lads all commit and give it everything. anyone hear of any retirements etc? Will Zane be there next year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 08, 2016, 11:44:43 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.

Not true. He's from Kildangan. That's 1 hour 10 mins to Tullamore and 58 mins to Portlaoise. No difference.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on November 08, 2016, 11:59:55 PM
He stated "personal and business demands on my time is too much at the moment", that was less than 3 months ago?!
Wouldnt know much about his management 'style' etc but he has a decent track record and experience, i wouldnt read too much into last year with Offaly. Wonder who he'll have as coaches/selectors?
Hopefully the lads can buy into the set up and maybe not play as defensive next year.
Best of luck to him!

If he was travelling up from Tipp each day, the run to Tullamore would add 45 mins each way over a trip to Portlaoise. 90 mins per training day is some saving.

Not true. He's from Kildangan. That's 1 hour 10 mins to Tullamore and 58 mins to Portlaoise. No difference.

I was thinking more of someone travelling up and down the M7. Anyway, I don't care either way. I hope he's a good placement for us and drives us on.

What I see is that when we were coming good in the early 1980s and 1990s, we had competitive championships that produced winners that went into Leinster with a fighting chance. We need to get our basics back in order and build from bottom up....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 09, 2016, 09:52:44 AM
Interesting that Butch Stapleton wins player of the year this year after leaving the county team, and Darren Maher did the same thing last year! Were they happier and hurling better for being being away from the set up? That cant be a good thing? Has it become too much of a commitment for some?
Not very interesting really. Butch himself would have been as pleasantly surprised as anyone to pick up that award. Consider who selects these things, its got little to do with anything. Butch and Darren are lovely fellas, but does anyone who watched this and last years Championships think they stood out head and shoulders above all else? Not really. Any of 5 from BK could have gotten, as the same with CB last year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: les Antiques on November 09, 2016, 11:05:19 AM
What is the process in choosing the Player of the year or is there such a system in place ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 09, 2016, 11:50:56 AM
What is the process in choosing the Player of the year or is there such a system in place ?

now that would be interesting to find out...

Kellys cv looks okay to fair when you read that piece!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 04:37:40 PM
I see Kelly is saying that he was convinced by Conor Gleeson to step back into intercounty hurling because he see's the potential in Laois and has praised the hard work Cheddar has done.
He also said that one of the reasons he left Offaly was due to the level of abuse he got following the defeat to Westmeath both in person and online.
In fairness that kind of abuse comes with the job nowadays, just ask the likes of Davy Fitz or any other amount of intercounty managers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 09, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
I see Kelly is saying that he was convinced by Conor Gleeson to step back into intercounty hurling because he see's the potential in Laois and has praised the hard work Cheddar has done.
He also said that one of the reasons he left Offaly was due to the level of abuse he got following the defeat to Westmeath both in person and online.
In fairness that kind of abuse comes with the job nowadays, just ask the likes of Davy Fitz or any other amount of intercounty managers.

Interesting.
Have you a link to where you read/heard this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 05:04:08 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/eamonn-kelly-determined-to-build-on-cheddar-plunketts-work-at-laois-429687.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/eamonn-kelly-determined-to-build-on-cheddar-plunketts-work-at-laois-429687.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 09, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
I see Kelly is saying that he was convinced by Conor Gleeson to step back into intercounty hurling because he see's the potential in Laois and has praised the hard work Cheddar has done.
He also said that one of the reasons he left Offaly was due to the level of abuse he got following the defeat to Westmeath both in person and online.
In fairness that kind of abuse comes with the job nowadays, just ask the likes of Davy Fitz or any other amount of intercounty managers.

Interesting.



Very interesting!

Wonder what Cheddar would make of them comments??


Have you a link to where you read/heard this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Thewildcat on November 09, 2016, 07:29:18 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level

are you drunk brought offaly on big time, :-[  lost to kerry first time in 40 odd years, lost to westmeath by 14 points in championship,
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Thewildcat on November 09, 2016, 07:32:14 PM
Not the worst appointment . Kelly will take no sh*t  whatsoever and lads will be either on board his train or not . Best of luck to him .
Selector appointments will be interesting .
You'd feel for him, because its most likely he'll find the situation to be similar to that in Offaly last year, the full deck won't be available to him. However unlike Offay, where they and their fat arses were lazy, Laois' players will be burnt out and either taking a year out, or retired.

Are Tipp our new overlords?
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the same fat arses that hurl laois out the gate in tullamore , and what the fcuk would have a laois hurler burn out it must be from smoking fags
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 09, 2016, 09:00:03 PM
The very same fat arses. Loughnane knew. Kelly knew.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on November 09, 2016, 09:05:38 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level

are you drunk brought offaly on big time, :-[  lost to kerry first time in 40 odd years, lost to westmeath by 14 points in championship,

This the same Kerry team that hammered us twice, got to league quater final and leinster semi too railroading us in the process after getting spanked by us the year before, your statement is a prime example of a big issue with laois supporters, over analysing one or two games instead of looking at the overall picture. Has he intercouny experience? Yes. Has he improved the teams that he was over? Yes. Did the players that he was in charge of rate him? Yes. Considering the dire state Offaly were in last year he did very well with them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 09, 2016, 09:18:27 PM
The wild cat is a lost biffo.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 10, 2016, 12:41:51 AM
The wild cat is a lost biffo.
Of course he is, I'd say he blew a gasket replying to that post  ;D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on November 10, 2016, 01:41:16 AM
Daithi Regan Is Not Happy With Eamon Kelly After Ex-Offaly Boss Takes Laois Hurling Job

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/daithi-regan/351164 (https://www.balls.ie/gaa/daithi-regan/351164)





This is what Laois have to do at the start of the game against Offaly..

https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/796359847344308224? (https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/796359847344308224?)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Thewildcat on November 10, 2016, 08:30:42 PM
The very same fat arses. Loughnane knew. Kelly knew.

what does that make the laois players so ;) think about it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on November 10, 2016, 10:15:04 PM
The very same fat arses. Loughnane knew. Kelly knew.

what does that make the laois players so ;) think about it.

Are you still pretending to be from Camross? Or is it Birr? Strange for a Gracefield man.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 11, 2016, 08:51:30 AM
He was that rattled it took him two days to reply  ;D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on November 11, 2016, 10:05:44 AM
He was that rattled it took him two days to reply  ;D
"Townman" on the Offaly forum. Even the biffos think he's an idiot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tcrilly on November 20, 2016, 05:34:55 PM
Won kerry a christy ring and brought offaly on big time dont know how people could complain really, has a solid track record at this level

are you drunk brought offaly on big time, :-[  lost to kerry first time in 40 odd years, lost to westmeath by 14 points in championship,

Offaly are the Liverpool of the gaa, blind optimism from that lot is actually astonishing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 22, 2016, 11:53:29 AM
Have the players etc met with Kelly and his team yet?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on November 23, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
I don't believe Eamon Kelly has finalised his management team yet.
Can't see the players meeting up until then.

You'd hope this would be confirmed asap as we have a difficult year ahead and need to be conditioned early as there will be a hectic Spring with league games and preparation for the round robin.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 23, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Was Shane Corby confirmed as U21 manager?
Have we confirmed a minor manager yet?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 30, 2016, 04:08:02 PM
former Limerick captain Ollie Moran has been confirmed as part of Kelly's back room team...

Thats a big name to be fair....

Things are looking good on the set up for next year!Do we have the players tho that's the question?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: tcrilly on November 30, 2016, 05:41:42 PM
former Limerick captain Ollie Moran has been confirmed as part of Kelly's back room team...

Thats a big name to be fair....

Things are looking good on the set up for next year!Do we have the players tho that's the question?
We never have the players lol hopefully though we can beat the biffos again
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on December 01, 2016, 03:02:51 PM
So Senior Management confirmed - Eamonn kelly manager,
Selectors John Taylor, Owen Coss
Coaches Conor Gleeson, Ollie Moran
S&C DJ O Dwyer
Physios & Doctor stays same.
Stats men ?
Team Secretary ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 01, 2016, 03:33:08 PM
I would be interested to know what Cheddar was looking for off the CB because that's a fairly professional looking set up and is hardly going to be without cost.

I hope the players can step up to the mark now and give it a right go.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on December 06, 2016, 02:24:28 PM
Well done to Laois Co. Board for landing Christy Walsh as Minor manager
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/226654/chirsty-walsh-takes-the-reins-as-laois-minor-hurling-manager.html (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/226654/chirsty-walsh-takes-the-reins-as-laois-minor-hurling-manager.html)




Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on December 06, 2016, 03:17:39 PM
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I would be interested to know what Cheddar was looking for off the CB because that's a fairly professional looking set up and is hardly going to be without cost.

Cheddar wasn't looking for anything for himself or the senior set up as far as I know, he pitched the County Board his vision for the long-term future of Laois hurling and wanted to get it going ASAP. The county board put it on the long finger while they looked for county managers and Cheddar got pissed off. That's what I was told anyway, unless anyone had heard differently?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 12, 2017, 05:47:19 PM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
 I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?

I started this post approx 15 months ago. Since then, we have shipped our heaviest ever senior hurling championship defeat at the hands of Clare who were easily enough beaten by Galway. Our minor team who a few years ago were heralded as the future stars of the game were beaten by a very poor Offaly team, our 21s beaten by Carlow and our development squads performing very poorly. Laois hurling is in a very bad place and again nothing is being done at croke park or co board level. The one man trying to turn the whole thing around walked away in frustration or was pushed out the door. It's an awful shame and unfortunately I don't see our fortunes changing.

On another note this isn't a bad 15...
Eoin Reilly
Brian Stapleton
Brian Campion
J A Delaney
J Fitz
M McEvoy
J Walsh
C Stapleton
C Collier
W Hyland
Z Keenan
J Campion
T Dowling
T Fitz
J Purcell
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 13, 2017, 09:28:47 AM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 13, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?

There are some positives but not many tbh. I'm just frustrated that nothing is being done to turn things around at Croke park or co board level. I take my hat off to the players that give up so much and come back every year they really deserve huge credit. I just feel that even though it's so early in the year we are looking at another bleak year. You have to admit the facts are there in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd love to be optimistic but it's very hard to be.
Offaly are in a bad state too but they have put the plans and structures in place to turn it around, I just feel we are not doing enough and until we do nothing will change.
The powers that be in HQ have a lot to answer for in terms of the state of hurling throughout the country. The year for teams like laois are inevitable really before they start. I think the provincial championships need to be scraped and have a 8 team Liam McCarthy cup that starts much earlier in the year and accommodates the club championships in each county. We are not so bad in Laois but club players in top tier counties suffer every year. I would put laois offaly Kerry westmeath etc into an 8 team Christy ring cup that is played before the all Ireland final every year. In this case every team could potentially see themselves playing in croke park on all Ireland final day with the winners being promoted to the Liam McCarthy the following year and one team being relegated. These teams are not good enough to play in the top 8 division. This would generate much more interest in hurling, avoid the big beatings and have competitive competition every year. It would also give the second tier counties some light at the end of a long depressing tunnel! Minor finals could be played with the 21 final. Again apologies for the pessimism.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 13, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?

There are some positives but not many tbh. I'm just frustrated that nothing is being done to turn things around at Croke park or co board level. I take my hat off to the players that give up so much and come back every year they really deserve huge credit. I just feel that even though it's so early in the year we are looking at another bleak year. You have to admit the facts are there in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd love to be optimistic but it's very hard to be.
Offaly are in a bad state too but they have put the plans and structures in place to turn it around, I just feel we are not doing enough and until we do nothing will change.
The powers that be in HQ have a lot to answer for in terms of the state of hurling throughout the country. The year for teams like laois are inevitable really before they start. I think the provincial championships need to be scraped and have a 8 team Liam McCarthy cup that starts much earlier in the year and accommodates the club championships in each county. We are not so bad in Laois but club players in top tier counties suffer every year. I would put laois offaly Kerry westmeath etc into an 8 team Christy ring cup that is played before the all Ireland final every year. In this case every team could potentially see themselves playing in croke park on all Ireland final day with the winners being promoted to the Liam McCarthy the following year and one team being relegated. These teams are not good enough to play in the top 8 division. This would generate much more interest in hurling, avoid the big beatings and have competitive competition every year. It would also give the second tier counties some light at the end of a long depressing tunnel! Minor finals could be played with the 21 final. Again apologies for the pessimism.
I've said it many times on here, Croke Park will not help us. We have asked them to for some 20 years, and they haven't. We asked them when we had our own man, a hurling man in there, and they didn't. We need to give up asking Croke Park. We need to source the money internally, and use the skills internally, or buy them in from outside. But the help will not come from Croke Park. We must accept this.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on January 13, 2017, 09:26:17 PM
Tobias, can you see any positives at all?

There are some positives but not many tbh. I'm just frustrated that nothing is being done to turn things around at Croke park or co board level. I take my hat off to the players that give up so much and come back every year they really deserve huge credit. I just feel that even though it's so early in the year we are looking at another bleak year. You have to admit the facts are there in the last paragraph of my previous post, I'd love to be optimistic but it's very hard to be.
Offaly are in a bad state too but they have put the plans and structures in place to turn it around, I just feel we are not doing enough and until we do nothing will change.
The powers that be in HQ have a lot to answer for in terms of the state of hurling throughout the country. The year for teams like laois are inevitable really before they start. I think the provincial championships need to be scraped and have a 8 team Liam McCarthy cup that starts much earlier in the year and accommodates the club championships in each county. We are not so bad in Laois but club players in top tier counties suffer every year. I would put laois offaly Kerry westmeath etc into an 8 team Christy ring cup that is played before the all Ireland final every year. In this case every team could potentially see themselves playing in croke park on all Ireland final day with the winners being promoted to the Liam McCarthy the following year and one team being relegated. These teams are not good enough to play in the top 8 division. This would generate much more interest in hurling, avoid the big beatings and have competitive competition every year. It would also give the second tier counties some light at the end of a long depressing tunnel! Minor finals could be played with the 21 final. Again apologies for the pessimism.
I've said it many times on here, Croke Park will not help us. We have asked them to for some 20 years, and they haven't. We asked them when we had our own man, a hurling man in there, and they didn't. We need to give up asking Croke Park. We need to source the money internally, and use the skills internally, or buy them in from outside. But the help will not come from Croke Park. We must accept this.

I agree with both your arguements, every year is the same and every now and then we run a team close like galway in leinster,offaly, and clare in the league quarter final in recent years but we havent seemed to have built on that and its not the effort of the players, its the development or lack of and plus on the grand scale of things compared to the top counties we have a tiny pool to choose from, our top tier club hurling now has 8 teams and the senior a is only a paper over the cracks, tipperary, cork or kilkenny on any given match day programme will have a pick of players from at least 13-16 clubs which makes for a headache in terms of selecting a panel as regards to the few we have that make the final cut, often 5-6 guys from the one club, we are just an unfortunate county in terms of playing population on top of having a very football focused county board
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on January 13, 2017, 09:57:41 PM
If some people here got there way there wouldnt even be 13-16 teams to choose, and before people scoff at the moment there are 24 seperate clubs participating in adult hurling in laois, on these fourms in the last year or so ive heard people want kyle to be absolved by borris/kilcotton, ballypickas by abbeyleix/ballinakill trumera by mountrath, colt clonad and shanahoe to amalgamate, same with castletown and slieve bloom timahoe slieve margy, graiguecullen and mountmellick are major football areas so the likelyhood of gaining a counth player from these areas is low, all that leaves you with a pick of around 14 clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on January 14, 2017, 05:01:34 PM
If some people here got there way there wouldnt even be 13-16 teams to choose, and before people scoff at the moment there are 24 seperate clubs participating in adult hurling in laois, on these fourms in the last year or so ive heard people want kyle to be absolved by borris/kilcotton, ballypickas by abbeyleix/ballinakill trumera by mountrath, colt clonad and shanahoe to amalgamate, same with castletown and slieve bloom timahoe slieve margy, graiguecullen and mountmellick are major football areas so the likelyhood of gaining a counth player from these areas is low, all that leaves you with a pick of around 14 clubs

I wonder if Joe Foyle had access to a senior club could he have developed into a county player? Was always strong up until u21 and im sure he still hurls with timahoe
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 14, 2017, 06:38:24 PM
SH A Dublin South 3-23 Laois 0-7.
Really worrying result today. Are all Laois schools involved in this team? Are the underage structures working and functional or are we really falling behind? We think we cant promote hurling in emo, mountmellick, stradbally etc etc but here are a group of well resourced, well prepared south dubs given our hurlers from traditional areas an absolute lesson. Very worrying.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 14, 2017, 07:28:24 PM
The team that took t othe field today is effectively this years minor team. Very worrying scoreline indeed!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 14, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
The team that took t othe field today is effectively this years minor team. Very worrying scoreline indeed!
Minus the Mountrath players at the very least, any others?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 07:56:57 PM
After been present at the game today, the big difference that was evident aside from the scoreboard was the sheer physical size difference of both squads. It is very clear that Dublin's development over the last few years has included both skill development, but also functional/physical development. It is an area that has to be addressed asap within the county. From the game and team that lined out, approx. 5/6 will start as there was anyting from 12/13 possible starters missing due to been involved with other schools.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 14, 2017, 08:07:29 PM
Is there much point having a schools team if 1. they don't include certain schools and 2. if they are taking hammerings like today? Mountrath are in the Senior B so what's the point in a schools team playing A if they don't have the Mountrath lads? I can't see the benefit.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 08:20:53 PM
its a hard one to say Redsetanta...exposing them to the intensity of A type hurling is great, but taking a bad defeat like that proves nor helps no one in the long term. But physicality needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. Players need to be educated into the reality of functional movement, but planned by coaches with the proper educational background into this development process
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TP Ashe on January 14, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
A number of probable starters were unavailable as they are too young and a few more are in school in Johnstown.

Likes of Podge Delaney, the 2 Comerford's, PJ Daly, Ciaran Conroy and Joe Phelan would make a big difference.

Not saying they would redress a margin of defeat like that but would certainly help.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 14, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
its a hard one to say Redsetanta...exposing them to the intensity of A type hurling is great, but taking a bad defeat like that proves nor helps no one in the long term. But physicality needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. Players need to be educated into the reality of functional movement, but planned by coaches with the proper educational background into this development process

Functional being the key word.
Phrases like "Leg Day", "Chest Day" etc have no place in a serious GAA player's lingo.

We are effectively talking S&C here. Dress it up how you like.
Physicality and Strength, while related, are not the same thing.
There was a big difference in approach taken to physical training with Laois minors last year, compared to the previous couple of years.
If you were to ignore everything else you could claim that the pre 2016 model was more successful.
It's not that simplistic, but it's also possible that there is some element of truth in it.
Pirlo once said that "warm ups were like masturbation for S&C coaches", a good quote that ignores much science.
HOWEVER I am beginning to regard the obsession with quantitative measuring and the collection of masses of data on players physical performances rather sceptically.

As far as I am concerned we need players with a base level of strength that converts seamlessly to power (i.e.Speed). These players must maintain high levels of cardio vascular endurance and enough flexibility to allow agility and injury prevention. Underage players and training with body weight alone is something I consider valuable.
Hitting gym targets & increasing PBs should be very very very secondary.

I'll post-face all of the above with the fact that I have no S&C qualification. BUT I have some experience in the area.

Anyways, I was not there today, but I don't think there is any reason to expect this year's minors to be particularly strong?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on January 14, 2017, 09:30:51 PM
great post though Keyser!! well approached. positive oulooks
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 15, 2017, 12:15:16 AM
Cant claim I was at the game but having watched Laois teams for long enough I often wonder is it actual strength we are missing or intensity. Yes we often enter games with players of smaller stature than other counties but rarely do we see those players play with fire or intensity to redress the balance. We often see teams almost accept their fate. They are told Dublin are stronger and fitter so almost accept it before they take the field. Where is the defiance? The belief that we can mix it? The attitude of asking questions of the opposition no matter who they are. Our biggest issue was always mentality and it continues on and off the field.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 15, 2017, 12:21:34 AM
We all have a vested interest in this and we as supporters are just as bad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 15, 2017, 11:17:11 AM
Agreed but how can we improve our attitudes? How can we create an atmosphere of improving ourselves instead of comparing ourselves to other counties? People have said nobody wanted to manage our county minors this year. Why? Surely if they are not our strongest group they need more and better help than other years. That would worry me. Apart from a small number of coaches the rest are acting out of self interest rather than Laois' best interest.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on January 15, 2017, 10:34:22 PM
Keyser you are bang on, Functional is the key word. But that comes from S&C. In Kilkenny and Dublin and other counties they now have S&C coaches screening players on their functional movement, from U14 upwards, and giving them corrective exercises, they are also doing the "normal" S&C with them but age appropriate, and educating them on diet and lifestyle. While i dont think physical size is a major issue, the functional movement aspect is very important, also helps to prevent common injuries occurring in the future.
I may be wrong but i dont think we have that level of detail in Laois development set up! Not saying its the answer to all our problems but the whole thing needs to be overhauled or reviewed at least.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 15, 2017, 10:54:59 PM
I wonder if Joe Foyle had access to a senior club could he have developed into a county player? Was always strong up until u21 and im sure he still hurls with timahoe
Don't like commenting on individuals like this. But did he ever make a county underage team? He certainly never came close to being one of the stronger players on one.

The answer to your question is almost certainly no!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on January 15, 2017, 11:22:43 PM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call a keyboard warrior. This person also seems to think the club game doesn't matter. He believes the GAA is all about the county set up and senior clubs. He doesn't realise what clubs such as Rosenallis, Annanough, Barrowhouse, Ratheniska, Kyle, Trumera, Slieve Bloom etc, have to give to the organisation. They are the focal point of their communities. Winning a junior or intermediate title with these clubs will be held above all else, and will be celebrated greater than a 9th title in a 9 in a row.

If we are to wind up the likes of the clubs mentioned above, then we may as well just hand over the organisation to the likes of DOWNTHEROAD and let him at it. I presume he is a wind up though. Or an idiot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 16, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
He still makes a lot of good points though -

1. We haven't enough high quality minor, U-21 and senior hurling teams and could do with a few more amalgamations. 12 really competitive teams would be a good start. Tipp have something like 36.
2. The quality of what is coming up is still not nearly good enough. We had a good spell that produced some nice hurlers but the teams following them have not been great on average. Some massive beatings at Tony Forrestal / Arrabawn competitions are now transferring back up to minor level.

There is probably a link between the number of competitive clubs and the quality of young lads coming through. Divisional teams are good enough for the likes of Cork and Kerry but we could never have them in Laois it seems. Surely a Divisional team that included Trumera, Mountrath, Colt, Shanahoe would be competitive at Senior level and still allow a club ethos at Senior A or Intermediate? Or a Na Fianna senior team? Surely there can be a way to provide incentives to talented young fellas to hurl competitively without losing connection with their club?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on January 16, 2017, 11:05:12 AM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call a keyboard warrior. This person also seems to think the club game doesn't matter. He believes the GAA is all about the county set up and senior clubs. He doesn't realise what clubs such as Rosenallis, Annanough, Barrowhouse, Ratheniska, Kyle, Trumera, Slieve Bloom etc, have to give to the organisation. They are the focal point of their communities. Winning a junior or intermediate title with these clubs will be held above all else, and will be celebrated greater than a 9th title in a 9 in a row.

If we are to wind up the likes of the clubs mentioned above, then we may as well just hand over the organisation to the likes of DOWNTHEROAD and let him at it. I presume he is a wind up though. Or an idiot.


I take issue with your "Keyboard Warrior" jibe  as it's the type of cheap shot that's often uttered when a contrarian view is put forward. Obviously you don't agree with what I'm saying and that's fair enough but I'm perfectly entitled to hold an opinion that we have too many micky mouse clubs. I was referring to hurling but it is probably the same in football. Let's face it the way we are currently constituted, the Kilkenny junior B champions would probably beat most of our Senior B hurling teams. Our Intermediate hurling champions in 2016 (not a bad team or club by Laois standards) failed to the Meath intermediate hurling champions.   

The question is what do we want from the GAA?  Is it an organisation where community participation takes primacy over standards no matter how poor that standard is. If this is what we want that's fine but if it's about improving sporting standards and competing against other codes, then something different needs to be done. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on January 16, 2017, 11:12:17 AM
The reality is that we haven't got the numbers to remotely compete at the top level. This years's Laois minor hurling team at this age group was always weak on the way up so it shouldn't be a surprise. The ones coming after are no better. Even our so called "good" teams of last number of years were just very average by national standards. On the club front, we would be better off without the likes of Kyle, Ratheniska, Trumera, Ballypickas, Mountmellick,Slieve Margy, Slieve Bloom and a host of other senior B and intermediate clubs who are a joke in a proper functioning hurling county. If there are decent hurlers in these clubs, they should play with a proper set up. The local community nonsense is exactly that: it's nonsense which is why things are the way they are. For anyone into music, John Lennon's Working Class Hero sums up how GAA at Croke Park level probably think of us. We have clubs who have a better chance of winning the award for the best club for organising funeral guard of honours than winning something of consequence on the field. We are totally deluded down to be calling our second tier SHC (A) as we haven't the courage or the cop on to call it what it is.  If the county had 12 decent hurling units, we would have a better chance of improving standards that what we have at the moment. It's quite simple that if a club cannot operate on its own as juvenile level, then it should not be on its own at adult level.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call a keyboard warrior. This person also seems to think the club game doesn't matter. He believes the GAA is all about the county set up and senior clubs. He doesn't realise what clubs such as Rosenallis, Annanough, Barrowhouse, Ratheniska, Kyle, Trumera, Slieve Bloom etc, have to give to the organisation. They are the focal point of their communities. Winning a junior or intermediate title with these clubs will be held above all else, and will be celebrated greater than a 9th title in a 9 in a row.

If we are to wind up the likes of the clubs mentioned above, then we may as well just hand over the organisation to the likes of DOWNTHEROAD and let him at it. I presume he is a wind up though. Or an idiot.


I take issue with your "Keyboard Warrior" jibe  as it's the type of cheap shot that's often uttered when a contrarian view is put forward. Obviously you don't agree with what I'm saying and that's fair enough but I'm perfectly entitled to hold an opinion that we have too many micky mouse clubs. I was referring to hurling but it is probably the same in football. Let's face it the way we are currently constituted, the Kilkenny junior B champions would probably beat most of our Senior B hurling teams. Our Intermediate hurling champions in 2016 (not a bad team or club by Laois standards) failed to the Meath intermediate hurling champions.   

The question is what do we want from the GAA?  Is it an organisation where community participation takes primacy over standards no matter how poor that standard is. If this is what we want that's fine but if it's about improving sporting standards and competing against other codes, then something different needs to be done.
Your different was winding up a load of junior and intermediate clubs. Straight away you should a lack of understand and respect for what the GAA is and always has been. In some of the communities you mentioned, the club is the community. You mocked guards of honours at funerals. How anyone can mock that is beyond me. Theres been plenty of men who only had 4 men under their coffin at their funeral because of the GAA. You find this a bullet for a gun in a shot across these clubs, I find it disgusting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: beano on January 16, 2017, 06:08:05 PM
Couple of things I'd like to say, where are the coaches that were in the setanta programme when the likes of cha Dwyer and pj scully were there , same with joe campions group. Have we dropped our coaching standards?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on January 16, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
He still makes a lot of good points though -

1. We haven't enough high quality minor, U-21 and senior hurling teams and could do with a few more amalgamations. 12 really competitive teams would be a good start. Tipp have something like 36.
2. The quality of what is coming up is still not nearly good enough. We had a good spell that produced some nice hurlers but the teams following them have not been great on average. Some massive beatings at Tony Forrestal / Arrabawn competitions are now transferring back up to minor level.

There is probably a link between the number of competitive clubs and the quality of young lads coming through. Divisional teams are good enough for the likes of Cork and Kerry but we could never have them in Laois it seems. Surely a Divisional team that included Trumera, Mountrath, Colt, Shanahoe would be competitive at Senior level and still allow a club ethos at Senior A or Intermediate? Or a Na Fianna senior team? Surely there can be a way to provide incentives to talented young fellas to hurl competitively without losing connection with their club?


Theres 28 senior Teams in Tipp which they are in the process of reducing.There are 70 plus hurling clubs in Tipp,Laois on its own would  be similar to 1 of 4 divisions there

We cant compete with the likes of Cork or Tipp with playing numbers and the reality is our 84k population isnt like hurling mad kk with a pop of 99k.

We need to be smart and allow every talented hurler the opportunity to play at the highest level that he can.

Speaking from my own local perspective,there needs to be 1 senior team in Raheen Parish,if there needs to 2 intermediate teams and 2 junior teams in the parish so be it.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on January 18, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on January 18, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.

Agree with every word
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on January 21, 2017, 02:50:02 AM
A lack of numbers hurling is a big problem for us

Portlaoise - Hurling struggling
Portarlington - virtually no hurling
Graiguecullen - virtually no hurling
Mountmellick - hurling weak

Thats 4 of the biggest urban areas in a small dual county to begin with. I don't mean any disrespect to tthe clubs mentioned (I hope they all prove me wrong), but itsalways going to be tough to compete with our hurling playing population
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 03, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
I see on Facebook where our Juvenile Combined Colleges Hurling team hammered Dublin North today by 5-10 to 0-08.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 03, 2017, 11:25:26 PM
Saw that and make no bones about it that is a very encouraging win.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on February 16, 2017, 08:48:34 PM
U15 panel announced

 
Aaron
Brennan
Abbeyleix
 
Adam
Broady
Abbeyleix
 
Robert
Corkish
Abbeyleix
 
Eoghan
Dunne
Abbeyleix
 
Eamon
Fitzpatrick
Abbeyleix
 
Lee
Maher
Abbeyleix
 
Fionan
Mahony
Abbeyleix
 
David
Sheeran
Abbeyleix
 
Cathal
O'Shaughnessy
Ballinakill
 
Cian
O'Shaughnessy
Ballinakill
 
Aaron
O'Dea
Ballypickas
 
Niall
Coss
Borris in Ossory/Kilcotton
 
Jack
Foyle
Borris in Ossory/Kilcotton
 
Keelan
Kelly
Borris in Ossory/Kilcotton
 
Tomas
Keyes
Camross
 
Jamie
Gill
Castletown/Slieve Bloom
 
Tadhg
Cuddy
Castletown/Slieve Bloom
 
Darragh
Tobin
Castletown/Slieve Bloom
 
DJ
Callaghan
Clonaslee St Manmans
 
Darragh
Hogan
Clough/Ballacolla
 
Kevin
Mulhall
Clough/Ballacolla
 
Adam
Kirwan
Mountrath
 
Brian
Bredin
Mountrath
 
Paddy
Hosey
Na Fianna
 
Darragh
Lyons
Na Fianna
 
Danny
Brennan
Park/Ratheniska
 
Mark
Ramsbottom
Park/Ratheniska
 
Eoin
Naughton
Portlaoise
 
Eamon
Delaney
Raheen Parish Gaels
 
Conor
Goode
Raheen Parish Gaels
 
James
Whelan
Raheen Parish Gaels
 
Aaron
Costigan
Rathdowney/Errill
 
Cian
Bourke
Rathdowney/Errill
 
Ian
Shanahan
Slieve Margy
 
Conor
Delaney
The Harps
 
James
Duggan
The Harps
 
Michael
Monahan
The Harps
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 16, 2017, 09:01:06 PM
Great to see young Shanahan from Slieve Margy in there. He wouldn't have had a chance a few years ago. Thats what its all about, developing hurlers for the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on February 17, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.

Absolutely agree, we can talk about numbers and physical size etc etc all day long but none of that matters if the above is not implemented. We are LITERALLY 10/15 years behind the likes of Dublin/Clare/Kilkenny when it comes to coaching and structures and organisation.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 17, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
There can be a debate about clubs amalgamating etc but the key point that I keep going back to is the lack of planning for the future at Co level. As I've said on so many occasions a plan for laois hurling must be devised structurally, financially supported and followed through by a full time director of hurling and a team working under him. I believe it's a travesty that the one man that had the vision and the passion to make it happen is no longer involved at any County level.

Absolutely agree, we can talk about numbers and physical size etc etc all day long but none of that matters if the above is not implemented. We are LITERALLY 10/15 years behind the likes of Dublin/Clare/Kilkenny when it comes to coaching and structures and organisation.

Whatever about being behind the 3 counties you mention when you have a massive hurling population like Tipp or Cork, forget about it when you have 8 senior standard clubs and the population of south Laois.

In fairness, the quality of player development has improved but still has miles to go. We are probably on a par with Offaly and Westmeath which isn't saying a whole lot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 17, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
A good competitive game between Laois schools and Kieran's in the juvenile grade

Kieran's winning by 2/3 goals
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 02:48:06 PM
That's not a bad performance at all baring in mind that both of these teams will provide most of these lads to the respective county panels.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
That's not a bad performance at all baring in mind that both of these teams will provide most of these lads to the respective county panels.
Surely Laois schools are without the MCS boys for a start?

And of course Kilkenny CBS is the equal of Kieran's.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 17, 2017, 10:11:27 PM
That's not a bad performance at all baring in mind that both of these teams will provide most of these lads to the respective county panels.
Surely Laois schools are without the MCS boys for a start?

And of course Kilkenny CBS is the equal of Kieran's.

Kk cbs are hardly the equal of Kieran's.

They would be the 2nd best team in Leinster schools but 2nd nonetheless
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 07:54:48 PM
Underage fixtures up on the laoisgaa website now
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on February 22, 2017, 02:42:46 PM
Is there any development plan being adhered to, introduced or worked upon for Laois underage hurling or is every grade just paddling their own canoe and hoping for the best??

Is there any leadership or Hurling director in place??

Or did the county board really let the one man with this vision walk away ??
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 03:50:07 PM
Is there any development plan being adhered to, introduced or worked upon for Laois underage hurling or is every grade just paddling their own canoe and hoping for the best??

Is there any leadership or Hurling director in place??

Or did the county board really let the one man with this vision walk away ??

Isn't Cheddar involved with his own club

As far as I can see every club paddles their own canoe with the odd bit of assistance from the GDA's

That said most dynamic clubs throughout the country have 4/5 committed underage mentors to thank for any success they might have.

More work needs to be done in the schools....badly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on February 22, 2017, 04:46:13 PM
The key to developing GAA is the schools and especially at primary level. Dublin pumped serious time, money and efforts (I know they are playing at a very different financial base) into the primary schools 10/15 years. Every school had access to dedicated and qualified Games development coaches who went into the schools promoting both football and hurling. Juvenile participation numbers rocketed as a result, especially the numbers playing hurling from areas that once never did. Kilmacud Crokes I believe have more U14 footballers then in the whole of Leitrim at present. While I'm not saying we can replicate the Dublin model as the resources aren't in the county, we can do more to up the participation levels and get children wanting to play hurling and football. Otherwise we are going to get left further and further behind.     
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
The key to developing GAA is the schools and especially at primary level. Dublin pumped serious time, money and efforts (I know they are playing at a very different financial base) into the primary schools 10/15 years. Every school had access to dedicated and qualified Games development coaches who went into the schools promoting both football and hurling. Juvenile participation numbers rocketed as a result, especially the numbers playing hurling from areas that once never did. Kilmacud Crokes I believe have more U14 footballers then in the whole of Leitrim at present. While I'm not saying we can replicate the Dublin model as the resources aren't in the county, we can do more to up the participation levels and get children wanting to play hurling and football. Otherwise we are going to get left further and further behind.   

We don't have the population of Dublin and we don't need the finances either thankfully as we don't have them in the first place.We need to get organized,work smart and light a candle rather than always cursing the dark.

Sure Dublin got millions but they spent it well.

We need to get creative the schools coach initiative is a good start but coaches are limited to 18 blocks per school,this needs to be expanded,by right there shouldn't be a limit on this.

You have the situation in KK and Tipp where kids in 1st/2nd classes are playing games during school time be it class leagues,parish leagues or inter school leagues.Kids here start at 5/6 class with cumann na mbunscoil.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 22, 2017, 11:58:38 PM
Should be interesting

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/10019682/Martin_Fogarty_to_meet_Laois_Clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 23, 2017, 12:28:27 AM
The key to developing GAA is the schools and especially at primary level. Dublin pumped serious time, money and efforts (I know they are playing at a very different financial base) into the primary schools 10/15 years. Every school had access to dedicated and qualified Games development coaches who went into the schools promoting both football and hurling. Juvenile participation numbers rocketed as a result, especially the numbers playing hurling from areas that once never did. Kilmacud Crokes I believe have more U14 footballers then in the whole of Leitrim at present. While I'm not saying we can replicate the Dublin model as the resources aren't in the county, we can do more to up the participation levels and get children wanting to play hurling and football. Otherwise we are going to get left further and further behind.   

We don't have the population of Dublin and we don't need the finances either thankfully as we don't have them in the first place.We need to get organized,work smart and light a candle rather than always cursing the dark.

Sure Dublin got millions but they spent it well.

We need to get creative the schools coach initiative is a good start but coaches are limited to 18 blocks per school,this needs to be expanded,by right there shouldn't be a limit on this.

You have the situation in KK and Tipp where kids in 1st/2nd classes are playing games during school time be it class leagues,parish leagues or inter school leagues.Kids here start at 5/6 class with cumann na mbunscoil.

Who limits this?
Is this the coach that is part funded by the county board?

If the county board limit it, I'd imagine they are simply limiting the potential cost to them.
There is nothing to stop the club, through agreement with the school/schools in question, increasing the contact time at their own cost, or through the use of volunteers.
College students, shift workers, unemployed people- I'm sure every club has a handful who would be prepared to go in on a rota basis.
It would be the best investment of time and/or money that a club would ever make.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 23, 2017, 09:22:42 AM
I know Larry Wall in Arles used go into the primary school every Friday on his own time to get the kids playing football (both boys and girls) Don't know if he still does it but he did for years and most of those who played would have ended up with the Arles club. He did it for the love of the game and also to get future club players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 23, 2017, 09:39:25 AM
I know Larry Wall in Arles used go into the primary school every Friday on his own time to get the kids playing football (both boys and girls) Don't know if he still does it but he did for years and most of those who played would have ended up with the Arles club. He did it for the love of the game and also to get future club players.
Cant blame them, isnt that why any club sends coaches into schools. I've even heard tell of a club sneaking a coach into a school not in their parish.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 23, 2017, 10:28:28 AM
Nature does abhor a vacuum Don  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

In relation to the club school initiative,the money is allocated from Croke Park to the County Board,maybe this is a radical concept but shouldn't HQ be asked for more funding if the budget is being over subscribed?,we seem to be fairly meek in this regard.

But I also take your point,Keyser that every club should be sending in its own people and be a bit more proactive also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
Good to see 23 different u12 teams entered in the 2017 go games.

A good few clubs putting in 2 teams.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 24, 2017, 10:10:41 PM
Good to see 23 different u12 teams entered in the 2017 go games.

A good few clubs putting in 2 teams.

Raheen Parish Gaels not entering Division 1? Or is that a mistake on the website?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 11:36:32 PM
There wasn't a willingness to have a 9 team Division 1 and then a 6 team Division 2,which is understandable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 25, 2017, 08:10:54 AM
There wasn't a willingness to have a 9 team Division 1 and then a 6 team Division 2,which is understandable.
Have they only entered 1 team?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 25, 2017, 11:58:57 AM
Numbers weren't there to justify entering 2 teams
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on February 25, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Numbers weren't there to justify entering 2 teams
I'm genuinely surprised, I'd have thought they'd easily have had the numbers.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 25, 2017, 04:04:01 PM
Numbers weren't there to justify entering 2 teams
I'm genuinely surprised, I'd have thought they'd easily have had the numbers.

Same as.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 28, 2017, 09:30:12 PM
Laois Under-14 Hurling Panel for 2017 has been announced.



Adam
Ellis
Abbeyleix
Lawson
Obular
Abbeyleix
Darragh
McSpadden
Borris/Kilcotton
Noah
Quinlan
Borris/Kilcotton
Paddy
Sheeran
Borris/Kilcotton
Philip
Tynan
Borris/Kilcotton
Greg
Cuddy
Camross
Jack
Phelan
Camross
Finn
Lalor
Castletown/Slieve Bloom
Cian
Conroy
Clonaslee St Manmans
Padraigh
Brennan
Clough/Ballacolla
Lochlainn
Conway
Clough/Ballacolla
Joe
Corby
Clough/Ballacolla
Cillian
Dunne
Clough/Ballacolla
Paddy
Meade
Clough/Ballacolla
Josh
O'Brien Holmes
Mountrath
Michael
O'Brien
Mountrath
Tom
Fennelly
Na Fianna
Brian
Smith
Portlaoise
DJ
White
Portlaoise
David
O'Brien
Raheen Parish Gaels
Finian
Cuddy
Raheen Parish Gaels
Daniel
Bowe
Rathdowney/Errill
Ben
Campion
Rathdowney/Errill
Ryan
Costigan
Rathdowney/Errill
James
Keegan
Rathdowney/Errill
Padraigh
Rafter
Rathdowney/Errill
Aodh
Bowes
Rosenallis
David
Dooley
Rosenallis
Charlie
Friel
Rosenallis
Alex
Marron
Rosenallis
Darragh
Kelly
The Harps
Cathal
Murphy
The Harps
Stephen
Murphy
The Harps
Jim
O'Connor
The Harps
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ogie on March 03, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
I see a good initiative being set up by Ballacollas Shane Maher & other Laois primary schools starting a Laois Cumann na mBunscoil team to improve our standards we done & best of luck.

Can anyone tell me who is managing & coaching our U12/14/15/16 Laois teams?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 11:53:29 AM
Details below on Laois Today,which is a fantastic resource on Twitter for all laois news

The initiative was set up by 2 Tipp teachers,I also heard that a number of schools refused to participate as the principals aren't that bothered about Gaelic games.

The hurling team is due to be announced shortly

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/laois-cumann-na-mbuncol-announce-new-initiative/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 03, 2017, 12:29:33 PM
It's great to hear some positive news o this front and well done to all those involved. Hopefully over time everyone will come on board from the schools around the county. Have to get the kids involved from as young an age as possible and make sure they enjoy it and want to stay.
Great news.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 03, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Details below on Laois Today,which is a fantastic resource on Twitter for all laois news

The initiative was set up by 2 Tipp teachers,I also heard that a number of schools refused to participate as the principals aren't that bothered about Gaelic games.

The hurling team is due to be announced shortly

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/laois-cumann-na-mbuncol-announce-new-initiative/

This is brilliant and should be encouraged at club level. In areas like Portlaoise in particular it could be revolutionary. Much of Waterford's success seems to come from promotion of GAA in the city and they have huge participation at schools levels.

If there are schools who are not involved in GAA promotion, they should be named and shamed. I'm sure not all the parents would be happy with disinterested principals.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 01:57:00 PM
Details below on Laois Today,which is a fantastic resource on Twitter for all laois news

The initiative was set up by 2 Tipp teachers,I also heard that a number of schools refused to participate as the principals aren't that bothered about Gaelic games.

The hurling team is due to be announced shortly

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/laois-cumann-na-mbuncol-announce-new-initiative/

This is brilliant and should be encouraged at club level. In areas like Portlaoise in particular it could be revolutionary. Much of Waterford's success seems to come from promotion of GAA in the city and they have huge participation at schools levels.

If there are schools who are not involved in GAA promotion, they should be named and shamed. I'm sure not all the parents would be happy with disinterested principals.

Its a curious one all right,its not as if the principals concerned actually have to do anything,one of the alleged schools recently won a C na B Division 1 title.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 03, 2017, 02:27:23 PM
If it's anyway successfull the remaining schools would be pressurised into participating. In fairness there would be plenty of schoolkids playing for clubs that would be going to different schools so nobody would want to be left out.
You wouldn't need to name and shame schools if a list of those participating was made public.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TP Ashe on March 03, 2017, 02:37:35 PM
Great to have ideas coming from the Tipps of this world. Credit to the teachers, especially thosefrom outside Laois.
I'd go easy on the schools too; this seems to be year 1. Let's see how it goes next year....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
In a  lot of the strong hurling counties,kids are playing in class leagues and parish leagues at lunchtime and this isn't just kids in 5th and 6th class.

More CB support along with input from the local club,needs to be given to the schools,a lot of  teachers have no grounding  in GAA.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 03, 2017, 06:38:53 PM
U14 feile hurling
“A” – 10 Teams – Borris in Ossory Kilcotton, Camross, Castletown Slieve Bloom, Clough Ballacolla, Portlaoise, Raheen parish Gaels, Rathdowney Errill, Rosenallis, St Lazerians Abbeyleix, The Harps;
“B” – 7 Teams – Ballinakill, Clonaslee St. Manmans, Na Fianna, Park Ratheniska Timahoe, Slieve Margy, St Fintans Mountrath, St

Interesting to see only 5 A u14 football teams in the county

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 03, 2017, 09:51:28 PM
Who grades the teams?Is it the County Board or the club?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: County baller on March 04, 2017, 06:16:16 PM
Laois minor hurlers beat Dublin in Leinster minor hurling league today, 2-13 to 1-13. Big change from the Laois schools game back in January!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 04, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
Great to see that.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on March 05, 2017, 07:28:29 PM
Laois minor hurlers beat Dublin in Leinster minor hurling league today, 2-13 to 1-13. Big change from the Laois schools game back in January!
Dublin u17 team from what I hear,Nevertheless I believe it was a decent performance. Backs played well.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on March 05, 2017, 07:43:02 PM
who told you that downtheroad it was Dublin u17team..were you at the game!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 06, 2017, 04:04:30 PM
According to the Dublingaa website it was the minor team. Where did you get u17 from?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on March 06, 2017, 04:19:34 PM
According to Reservoir Dubs site, it was the B team that played Laois. The A team was supposed to play Clare, but it was cancelled.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 06, 2017, 04:50:01 PM
Ah it's a conspiracy so. Making a laugh of the Laois lads!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on March 06, 2017, 07:12:57 PM
According to the Dublingaa website it was the minor team. Where did you get u17 from?
A young lad who went to the game thought it was the U17 team as they physically did not look as strong or polished as one would expect from a Dublin minor hurling team. As mentioned above, the Dublin hurling forum have called it the B team. I think it's important to point out that we are not strong at minor hurling this year in case anyone is building their hopes up. In fact, it is the weakest team in at least 5 years. Nevertheless there are a couple of nice hurlers on the team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 06, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
Minor footballers get eviscerated by Cork, it gets talked away on here as them missing loads of players. Minor hurlers beat Dublin, we talk that away as well, saying arrah its an U17 Dublin development team who had to get a few U12's to make up the numbers.

I dont give a f**k, thats a slightly heartening result, regardless.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on March 06, 2017, 08:49:57 PM
Il put my colours to the mast here. I'm currently involved with the Minor set up and what I have to say is, they are as honest a bunch as iv come across, genuine in training and looking to achieve and get better. So for all those outside of the setup. Downtheroad Try bring some positivity and rationale to your statements with respect to this. How do you know that they cant be the best minor team we have ever had!!!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 06, 2017, 11:08:40 PM
Il put my colours to the mast here. I'm currently involved with the Minor set up and what I have to say is, they are as honest a bunch as iv come across, genuine in training and looking to achieve and get better. So for all those outside of the setup. Downtheroad Try bring some positivity and rationale to your statements with respect to this. How do you know that they cant be the best minor team we have ever had!!!!

Wouldn't we all love more than anything for them to be.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: honest hurler on March 06, 2017, 11:11:02 PM
Well said
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on March 06, 2017, 11:29:23 PM
just out of interest mountrath1 are you working with that minor team in a voluntary capacity or are you on an earner?

I watched the 2016 minor team in the two championship games in 2016. They were naïve and lost a game in tullamore that was there for the taking.  The second game against Dublin was an eye opener. I can stomach getting beat by a better team, and Dublin were superior across the park. What I was not impressed by was the physical shape of the Laois team compared to Dublin,  surely the element of physical conditioning should be a level playing field in this day and age. I hope that aspect is addressed with the 2017 squad and we do wish them well. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 07, 2017, 09:06:55 AM
just out of interest mountrath1 are you working with that minor team in a voluntary capacity or are you on an earner?

I watched the 2016 minor team in the two championship games in 2016. They were naïve and lost a game in tullamore that was there for the taking.  The second game against Dublin was an eye opener. I can stomach getting beat by a better team, and Dublin were superior across the park. What I was not impressed by was the physical shape of the Laois team compared to Dublin,  surely the element of physical conditioning should be a level playing field in this day and age. I hope that aspect is addressed with the 2017 squad and we do wish them well.
You'd like to think so, but Dublin are on another stratosphere. Underage players with food cards, and stores to go to, to get their supplements and groceries. Its terrifying when you actually see inside their set up. You'd wonder why we bother.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 07, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Where'd you hear that about the food cards Don?
There's no doubt that the sleeping giant that is Dublin have got their act together with regard to their underage structures and while it's great for Dublin and the GAA, it's not great for the competitiveness of the game in Leinster.  You can talk about unearthing talent all you want but there are only 4 aces in a pack of cards and if you hold 44 of those cards there's a far better chance you have the aces. Anyhow that's an argument for another thread!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 07, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
Where'd you hear that about the food cards Don?
There's no doubt that the sleeping giant that is Dublin have got their act together with regard to their underage structures and while it's great for Dublin and the GAA, it's not great for the competitiveness of the game in Leinster.  You can talk about unearthing talent all you want but there are only 4 aces in a pack of cards and if you hold 44 of those cards there's a far better chance you have the aces. Anyhow that's an argument for another thread!
From a Dublin underage nutritionist and development squad coach. The food card basically allows them/their parents cheaper/free, fruit/healthy foods from certain stores around Dublin. Its a gamechanger.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 07, 2017, 10:41:56 AM
The minor setup in Laois for the last few years has been very professional. They train like senior inter county players and have all the nutrition, conditioning coaches, physios etc. that could be wanted. You could even argue that there is a bit too much fluff and not enough hurling / hard graft.

I think the reserved caution around this years minors is that they weren't particularly successful in various competitions in earlier years (Tony Forrestal, Arrabawn, etc. etc.). Indications from the Schools A games and Mountrath CS results this year where most of team comes from were also that this team would struggle. There is also a view that the teams coming behind them U-15 to U-17 are a bit stronger.

That doesn't mean we won't be wishing them well.

Easy to find 20 physical and skillful hurlers when you have 50,000 odd kids hurling at schools level in Dublin. Tipp seemingly have a couple of 100 candidates to pick from for their minor panel every year as do KK and Cork. We have to find and motivate the best from a small pool so there will be some years where we have stronger teams than others but all deserve support.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 09, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on March 09, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 10, 2017, 12:14:45 AM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one

If he is a Roscrea player he will not need a transfer?
Is Arien involved with the minors? I thought he turned the job down?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on March 10, 2017, 06:09:43 AM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one

If he is a Roscrea player he will not need a transfer?
Is Arien involved with the minors? I thought he turned the job down?
As it is underage he will be grand(i think) as kyle dont have underage hurling and he has been playing with Laois since u15/16 as far as i know and thats when Arien was involved
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 10, 2017, 12:19:35 PM
I see from the Leinster Express website that we have a player from both Galmoy and Roscrea lining out?
Precedent for Galmoy, but Roscrea?!
The Roscrea player is Enda Parlon who from Ballaghmore I believe, The work of Arien Delaney as he is expected to be playing adult level with Kyle unless he gets a transfer of course should he decide he wants one


And Ballaghmore is in County Laois so it is not as if he is an import.

If he is a Roscrea player he will not need a transfer?
Is Arien involved with the minors? I thought he turned the job down?
As it is underage he will be grand(i think) as kyle dont have underage hurling and he has been playing with Laois since u15/16 as far as i know and thats when Arien was involved
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on March 10, 2017, 12:35:52 PM
Any reason why he isn't playing for Borris? I assume he must have gone to primary school in Roscrea aswell and has friends/links there so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on March 10, 2017, 01:48:06 PM
Any reason why he isn't playing for Borris? I assume he must have gone to primary school in Roscrea aswell and has friends/links there so.
He goes to school in mountrath so it is a perplexing case really
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 09:26:09 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 09:43:05 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems
Why?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.

The 'Gaels' part should have been a giveaway.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on March 13, 2017, 10:35:16 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.

The 'Gaels' part should have been a giveaway.

No i meant the senior game that was in heywood yesterday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:35:49 AM
Our Lady's Templemore v Kilkenny CBS All Ireland semi-final fixed for O'Moore Park, Portlaoise this Wednesday at 2pm.

For anyone that wants to see a top level schools game
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 10:37:16 AM
weny to the ballinakill abbeyleix match yesterday as is thought it would be competitive after the disaster i witnessed that morning in the heath, total mismatch ballinakill missing a lot, but did notice they were playing 2 slieve margy players, meaning that the result might be the least of their problems

Ballinakill as in the Ballinakill Park Ratheniska Gaels u16 team?

Slieve Margey players are cleared to play in this amalgamation,if that's what your on about.

The Portlaoise u16's conceded their game also.

The 'Gaels' part should have been a giveaway.

No i meant the senior game that was in heywood yesterday

We thought you meant the u16 game,when you posted in the future of Laois Hurling thread.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on March 13, 2017, 08:12:37 PM
Does anybody actually know who was appointed as manager of Ballinakill senior hurlers? It was previously reported that a former intercounty manager was taking over but who actually ended up in the position.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on March 13, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
And if I can ask...Why are you worried about Ballinakill management at this time of the year!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: ClashAsh on March 13, 2017, 10:30:47 PM
Jeez cool the jets. Had heard a while back or maybe read it in the newspaper they are set to appoint a former intercounty manager and was just curious who that was or who they ended up appointing. This is a general gaa forum where people discuss all sorts of GAA related topics?...yeah.?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 16, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
Leinster P.P. Sch. Juv. H. “A” League S/Final Full Time:
Good Counsel Col.  2-9, Laois Schools  0-13
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: TP Ashe on March 17, 2017, 11:51:53 PM
90+ primary school boys at Cuman na bunscoil trials during the week.

Big take up from few schools in traditional hurling areas who hadn't previously attended. Final panel of 30 to be picked.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 31, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on April 01, 2017, 08:31:36 AM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

whats the general approach in other counties? Dont think many use adult refs,but could be wrong. Possibly use refs from whatever the youth ref program is called.

Also the biggest driver of whether "ref it yourself" will work will be the behaviour or coaches and parents on the sideline

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 01, 2017, 08:43:04 AM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

whats the general approach in other counties? Dont think many use adult refs,but could be wrong. Possibly use refs from whatever the youth ref program is called.

Also the biggest driver of whether "ref it yourself" will work will be the behaviour or coaches and parents on the sideline
Yea, I agree here, not ideal but surely mentors are adult enough to referee a match fairly.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 12:48:35 PM
Any serious hurling county has proper refs over u12 games

Laois has lost 15 refs in the past year and only replaced them with 5,a shortfall of 8 in one year alone.

There are 14/15 clubs not supplying any refs to either code,In the likes of Tipperary and Galway,If your Club does not supply a ref,your club cant play in any competitions,full stop.

One Final point,if a player gets injured,the first thing insurance will look for,is the refs report,if there's no ref .........
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on April 01, 2017, 01:58:46 PM
The clubs have to take responsibility as they are not supplying referees. The county board can't do much unless the clubs buy in. In any case the level of abuse emanating from the sideline would make anyone have to question why they would take up refereeing. However,  I don't see any reason why a go games ref 17/18 can't handle an under 12 game providing they is cop on coming from the line.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 02:59:18 PM
The clubs won't take any responsibility if they are let away with it.

Supposing we have a net loss of another 5/8 refs next year,what happens then?.

The solution is fairly simple,from 2018/2019 each club in Laois must have a ref in place,otherwise they are barred from all competitions.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 01, 2017, 07:30:20 PM
Confirmed,No referees available for any u12 games this year.

Ref it yourselves there lads,can see that working out well all right

Jesus thats terrible. Not going to end well.
Not sure about forcing clubs to supply refs, if people dont want to do it they dont want to do it. The gaa is a volunteer led organisation at the end of the day.  I dont see the county board doing anything to try recruit referees?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 08:00:47 PM

With current attrition rate as regards refs,whats the odds that next year,a similar situation will  happen at u14 level and then the following year with  u16.

God forbid,we would take a leaf out of the galway or Tipp book,shur what would they know,there will be some amount of pontificating if an insurance company turns down an injured u12 players claim because there is no refs report.

Just another example of we not having our house in order.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 03, 2017, 01:02:16 PM
Wins for Rosenallis and Clonaslee in the A and B feile.

Hopefully they can win both their divisions and match last years representatives.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on April 03, 2017, 08:53:52 PM
Great quality hurling on show at half time on Saturday night from the Cumann na mBunscoil kids. A lot of good catches and intense tackling considering these lads wouldn't have played together previously. Just goes to show there is talent out there in our underage players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 03, 2017, 09:33:36 PM
Thete was a couple of right young lads alrigjt. They would have been better off having 2 games though.Must have been 20 a side.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:16:04 PM
Lads

Just reading the article in the Express where Rory Delaney made the point about an Easter Camp in Heywood for the underage football thereby making it difficult for players from the 3 major population centres to travel


Why isnt there 3/4 well located Easter Hurling camps in place also?

Also spoke to a friend of mine in Tipp last night,his young lad is playing regular  3rd and 4th class Cumann na mBunscoil games,they start with these games in 1st class as an introduction.Why do we only introduce these games at 5th and 6th class?.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:22:19 PM
Thete was a couple of right young lads alrigjt. They would have been better off having 2 games though.Must have been 20 a side.

Obviously who ever was in charge wasn't aware of the benefits of small sided games at that level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 01:53:50 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 02:38:17 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 03:44:43 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.

We have 5 GDA's between hurling and football,I'm sure some of our college based hurlers and footballers are off for Easter and wouldn't say no to a few bob for coaching young lads,it's for 3 days,not exactly a full summer long cul camp program.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 05, 2017, 03:48:00 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.

We have 5 GDA's between hurling and football,I'm sure some of our college based hurlers and footballers are off for Easter and wouldn't say no to a few bob for coaching young lads,it's for 3 days,not exactly a full summer long cul camp program.
Doesn't mean its not still an issue in the eyes of the CB. Thats where the talk needs to be brought.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 04:51:42 PM
It's actually Knockbeg which is a fair trek for parents etc from the likes of Portarlington, Clonaslee and Durrow.

I stand corrected,my point still stands

Why not have 3/4 of these camps well located around the county for both hurling and football,for example the centre of excellence is hardly under that much pressure during the daytime.
COE is the obvious place to hold it. Presume you cant hold 3/4 at the same time due to resources.

We have 5 GDA's between hurling and football,I'm sure some of our college based hurlers and footballers are off for Easter and wouldn't say no to a few bob for coaching young lads,it's for 3 days,not exactly a full summer long cul camp program.
Doesn't mean its not still an issue in the eyes of the CB. Thats where the talk needs to be brought.

No doubt they are hanging on every word written here,Im sure at some stage the faceless critics on internet forums line will be wheeled out at a meeting.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 05, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
Also spoke to a friend of mine in Tipp last night,his young lad is playing regular  3rd and 4th class Cumann na mBunscoil games,they start with these games in 1st class as an introduction.Why do we only introduce these games at 5th and 6th class?.

Some schools have entered 2nd teams in Cumann na mBunscoil competitions to cater for younger classes.
I'd imagine it comes down to having the required number of volunteers within the school.
Again, clubs could be proactive here in encouraging this to happen. Perhaps recruiting parents and volunteers to help with their local school?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 05, 2017, 09:39:50 PM
How about putting in place a cumman na mbunscoil structure for the younger classes?.

I'm sure then the volunteers would come on board.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 06, 2017, 12:11:12 AM
How about putting in place a cumman na mbunscoil structure for the younger classes?.

I'm sure then the volunteers would come on board.

Cumann na mbunscoil is run by teachers?
There are some members of your club involved I would imagine. Have you ever asked them to do so?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 06, 2017, 10:51:06 AM
How about putting in place a cumman na mbunscoil structure for the younger classes?.

I'm sure then the volunteers would come on board.

Cumann na mbunscoil is run by teachers?
There are some members of your club involved I would imagine. Have you ever asked them to do so?

I believe the people in charge are both tipperary people,when I see them I will mention it to them,they haven't been in sitiu too long and have already a CnaB Laois schools panel in place,so no doubt they would be implementing more initiatives which have worked in Tipp.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 06, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
In Dublin there are Junior and Senior leagues in CnamB so from about 3/4th class on children are involved in playing matches. Different areas also run their own area leagues as well e.g. Fingal League which is for both Junior and Senior teams. If involved in both-playing football and hurler that is a considerable amount of games, aiding the development of young players. However, it relies hugely on the voluntary work of teachers to keep this going. We need to get more of our footballers and hurlers into the teaching career. Works well for the Kilkenny, Tipp and Waterford hurlers having so many go into teaching and then return to teach locally. They naturally end up getting involved in the coaching of teams at school and club level. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 06, 2017, 11:36:18 PM
Cuman na mbunscoil is ran by the schools/teachers. Each school varies massively as to the commitment put into the teams. Some schools dont bother, some schools have great teachers involved and interested in the Gaa. Some schools allow local club coaches in to run it or coach or help out, some dont. I think theres also a limit to how many pupils can go on match days?
If the Gaa were truly trying to promote our games then the schools is where its at. Thats where they should be focusing most of their time, effort and money. They should be looking at ways to ensure every school has a good coach going in to coach from junior infants upwards. I know the school/club link exists but this is driven at local level and its very hard to get a coach interested enough, with the right personality, and a job that suits, to go into a school to coach. This is where funding and effort comes in from our county board and croke park itself. If we can get kids hooked on hurling and/or football in school then the numbers and talent within clubs will rise a lot easier.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 06, 2017, 11:42:02 PM
Is that not somewhere Colm Begley should be going along with other GDA's.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 06, 2017, 11:45:25 PM
Is that not somewhere Colm Begley should be going along with other GDA's.

They do, but not nearly enough. And it doesn't mean schools will do anything other than the odd days coaching from the GDAs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Town3FB on April 07, 2017, 12:25:36 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on April 07, 2017, 12:58:44 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.

????
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 07, 2017, 07:20:00 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.
Are you on drugs?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on April 07, 2017, 09:56:31 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.
Are you on drugs?
Jesus Obviously

Johnny Depp more coherent in Las Vegas
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on April 07, 2017, 10:01:18 AM
Have we just spent this many pages critiquing and criticising cuman na bunscoil when they are now trying to do something that hasn't been done in years by our actual GAA committees? Jesus, I just can't understand why they haven't been brought in properly under the gaa umbrella. It makes no sense. I don't know why the fixtures aren't on the laoisgaa website. Surely more parents or other gaels would go if it were.

3rd and 4th class leagues, parish leagues, whatever the hell yous want...we now have, apparently, some real expertise from Tipperary and we're expecting them to turn water into wine overnight. Could we at least see how these panels work out first?
I'm sure we've had plenty of Laois folk involved who have done f**k all in recent years.

As first posts go; that's a doozy.

We have obvious deficits within our juvenile structures; a lot of them are to do with primary school-aged coaching and crucial early skills development. Cumann na mBunscol Laoise are actually considered one of the better county units in Leinster and there seems to be a fresh impetus now at extending into the area of Development Squads, hopefully with a view to identifying talent at an earlier age and improving the level and quality of young player who will enter into the first Laois GAA Development Squads at U14 level. Best of luck to those involved and I hope Laois GAA and the clubs continue to back this initiative.Despite a strong Tipperary influence, I actually believe the driving forces here are Laois-born teachers.

I haven't seen the Hurling panel listed anywhere. Has it been circulated beyond the schools/players themselves?
I understand they had their first session on Wednesday in Clonad. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 02:10:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/850691826508075008/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/850691826508075008/photo/1)

This is great to see. Two squads down in Limerick and performing well. They will be moving into the senior ranks in the near future. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
Minor hurling game against Offaly is going well. 1-09 to 0-06 for Laois. Live blog updates on Laois today website.

What a great new resource Laois Today is for GAA followers. Fair play to Stephen Millar and the rent of them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: justinn on April 08, 2017, 04:38:42 PM
Well done to the minors today, best of luck the next day against the Dubs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on April 08, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Great win. You couldn't beat them by enough! Hopefully give the dubs a good game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 08, 2017, 08:43:37 PM
V Dublin in Portlaoise next Saturday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 08, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Camarillo Brillo on April 11, 2017, 10:27:55 AM
The Cumann na mBunscol team has been announced:

Colin Byrne (Abbeyleix//St Lazerian’s Abbeyleix)
Conor Dooley (Abbeyleix/St Lazerian’s Abbeyleix)
Edward Meade (Ballacolla/Clough-Ballacolla)
Tomás Moore (Ballinakill/Ballinakill)
Robbie Kennedy (Ballinakill/Ballinakill)
Jack Fitzpatrick (Borris-In-Ossory/Borris-Kilcotton)
Shane Higgins (Camross/Camross)
Josh Hynes (Camross/Camross)
Eoghan Cuddy (Camross/Camross)
Ciaran McKelvey (Castletown/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Jay Cuddy (Castletown/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Kevin Hyland (Clough/Clough/Ballacolla)
Cormac Hogan (Clough/Clough/Ballacolla)
Thomas Brennan (Clough/Clough/Ballacolla)
Fionn Kempster (Derrylamogue/Rosenallis)
Ciaran Flynn (Durrow/The Harps)
Bobby Murphy (Durrow/The Harps)
Mikey Fennelly (Emo/St Pauls)
Sean Downey (Emo/St Pauls)
Jack Byrne (Graiguecullen/Graiguecullen)
Barry Fitzpatrick (Holy Family Portlaoise/Portlaoise)
Jer Quinlan (Killadooley/Borris-Kilcotton)
James Cuddy (Killanure/Camross)
Ben Deegan (Killanure/Camross)
Kevin Byrne (Killanure/Camross)
Tom Cuddy (Killanure/Camross)
Mark Cusack (Mountrath/Mountrath)
Jack Breen (Paddock/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Aaron Phelan (Rushall/Castletown-Slieve Bloom)
Conor Brown (The Heath-Portlaoise)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 11, 2017, 11:22:50 AM
http://www.tg4.ie/en/player/home/?pid=5393023597001&teideal=GAA%202017%20&series=GAA%202017&dlft=35v

Laois v Offaly game at 35 minutes in.

The Delaney chap at centre back looks a decent player. Couple of good young lads on that team. It will be interesting to see how they get on against Dublin on Saturday. Any Dublin based lads going to tip up to it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: GAA-SMART on April 11, 2017, 12:58:21 PM
V Dublin in Portlaoise next Saturday.

3pm in Parnell Park Saturday
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 12, 2017, 12:50:50 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 12, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
Did he play in any of the Leinster league games?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 12, 2017, 11:05:04 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 11:07:24 AM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.

He will likely go to b/k and is also highly rated as a full back prospect in roscrea
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 13, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.

if hes that highly rated,Im surprised the Tipp minor management werent in for him.

He will likely go to b/k and is also highly rated as a full back prospect in roscrea
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
What happened young Parlon from Roscrea,is he injured?
wasnt let play due to playing with roscrea, which county board stepped in i dont know
I believe he was ineligible and our CB were made aware of this only on Thursday night last.

if hes that highly rated,Im surprised the Tipp minor management werent in for him.

He will likely go to b/k and is also highly rated as a full back prospect in roscrea
highly rated in a club that hasnt won a whole lot recently  is what i meant. Im sure the Tipp machine wont be stressing either way
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 13, 2017, 12:50:13 PM
I think Roscrea are finally getting their act together underage,a club with a fairly prestigious history
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 13, 2017, 02:22:44 PM
I think Roscrea are finally getting their act together underage,a club with a fairly prestigious history
Yeah so I hear, it used to be untold of to not see a roscrea man or 2 on the tipp team..onto laois though iv never seen young parlon hurl but he is as good as what we have in defence i believe, typical full back
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 14, 2017, 01:48:45 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 14, 2017, 03:45:10 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known

How could it possible be his fault?
Player registrations/eligibility etc etc go well above the head of development squad coaches.
Silly comment.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on April 15, 2017, 01:10:34 PM
Very good display by Laois u14s this morning against Wexford winning by 5 points. Good strength in depth in this squad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 15, 2017, 03:39:56 PM
Minors 1 point up at H/T,playing into a strong wind in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 15, 2017, 04:27:04 PM
1 point up with 8 mins to go,lost by 3

Dublin finished that bit stronger
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 15, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known

How could it possible be his fault?
Player registrations/eligibility etc etc go well above the head of development squad coaches.
Silly comment.

I know his father well and that seems to be the case, be it a silly comment or not it seems to be the talk of the town as they say. May it be false i retract it
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 15, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
Walsh, the manager, saying it's been going on since last year and didn't want to name names but someone should be hung out over it. Parlon played last year for Laois and has obviously been training all along with the minors so he'd be entitled to be pissed off.

A certain hurry as he may or may not be known

How could it possible be his fault?
Player registrations/eligibility etc etc go well above the head of development squad coaches.
Silly comment.

I know his father well and that seems to be the case, be it a silly comment or not it seems to be the talk of the town as they say. May it be false i retract it

I don't know the chap, I don't know where he lives etc
BUT
If I was Chairman or Secretary of a club and a "new" player suddenly became eligible to play for us, or a player from outside our catchment area turned up to play for us, I know that I would be assuming responsibility for checking out that this was all above board.
A mentor telling me that it was "all ok" wouldn't be the extent of my investigation. A very strange scenario.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 15, 2017, 10:16:55 PM
Yep

If a new lad wanders into us,first thing  we do is get the club secretary to get onto the county board with his name,dob etc to see if he is ok to play with us.

I had presumed this would be a fairly simple task,but then again nothing surprises me at this stage.

I also believe there is shenanigans going on in relation to a birth certificate or lack of with an underage Abbeyleix player
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 16, 2017, 11:15:32 AM
Our minors did well yesterday and have the bonus of another game in 2 weeks time.

For a supposedly poor enough minor team they impressed meand there is certainly a few players you could see going on to be decent seniors. If a couple of the minors teams in the last few years had the workrate of this lot they may have done better. The hooking, blocking and chasing was non stop so fair play to them. I thought they matched Dublin fairly well in the skills and technique but lacked the physicality 1 to 15.

There were a couple of hefty challenges by the Dubs that went unpunished but they did eventually have a man sent off for a second yellow. Ciaran Comerford is a fine player and great to win his own ball and has the tricks.

I was impressed with them and as long as we can get a few decent hurlers to go on and compete at senior it's a good return.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on April 21, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
Enda Parlon's transfer to Borris/Kilcotton went through yesterday. Presume he'll be OK for the next game?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
That's good news.

Meath next up for the minors tomorrow week in O'Moore Park @ 3pm in the quarter final with the semi finals down for May 13th. Wexford play Offaly in the other quarter while Dublin and KK have already booked their place in the semi finals.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on April 25, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
Big wknd for laois hurling starting on Saturday with the minors. I have been pleasantly surprised with this group, they were very weak at u14,15 & 16 level but they seemed to be heading in the right direction. Great win against Offaly albeit Offaly are missing a good few who won't commit due to the management apparently. Then a big performance in Dublin, unfortunately they couldn't see it out. Meath will be no walkover tho as they hammered Westmeath by a cricket score. I believe Enda Parlon is available this weekend so that's a plus. Hopefully they can beat Meath and have a crack at one of the big guns. Fair play to the management team they seem to have the team fit and finely tuned. They remind me of some of the Offaly teams of old, getting the best out of themselves and not afraid to have a go. It's funny, this team were given no chance at the start of the year while last years team was supposed to be one of the best ever. Anyway best of luck to all concerned on Saturday.

Just a word on the under 21s, I'd be hoping they will do better than last years group anyway which was a disaster. Cha is gone but there are 13 guys getting good experience with the senior panel. I think  D Hartnett, R Mullaney, L Bergin, S Downey, L Cleere, E Killeen, A Dunphy, P Simms, L O Connell, A Corby, M Kavanagh, J Lennon and B Corby are all on the senior panel. S Phelan, R Phelan, J Geaney, S Dunphy, A Bergin, A Mortimer, E Cuddy would be other notable additions if available
C Phelan is injured.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 25, 2017, 09:36:48 PM
The fact they have a proven manager over them must make a difference. They worked very hard against Dublin, more than recent minor teams. Skill levels are very good too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 26, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/04/24/armagh-ireland-winner-now-part-laois-hurling-backroom-team/

What do folk make of this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on April 27, 2017, 03:34:48 AM
Personally, I think it's a waste of money. Now we have an outside manager, two high profile outside coaches Ollie Moran and Conor Gleeson and now Oisin McConville. Sure they are probably adding to the set up but at what cost? I'm pretty sure they are not doing it for nothing and according to the Offaly boys Eamonn Kelly stuck them for big money. It's great to see such a professional set up, however I'm not sure how much our senior team can be improved that much and I think we are as far off a provincial final appearance as we have been for 30 years. I've said all of this before...until we sort out a real proper nursery/underage development structure I don't think we will improve enough to start challenging for bigger honours. We need to start producing competitive development squads every year to feed into the minor teams and start challenging at minor and under 21 level before we see a notable improvement in our seniors. Sadly our Co Board have no interest in developing the game for the future.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2017, 10:41:49 AM
I know this is a radical concept but why not do both simultaneously,Tobias
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 27, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
I don't live in Laois at the moment and would be from the football side of the county however I try and keep updated on all things hurling.
Maybe i'm wrong but there seems to be plenty going on underage in the county and we have the Cumann na mbunscol being better organised this year and a panel being created. The Setanta programme is there for 11 to 13 year olds and you have developement squads for all age groups up to minor.

Bar the win over Dublin a few years back the U21 grade has been a disaster. The minors have been reasonably competitive although beaten by Offaly last year.

I think the county board have been very proactive with their hurling appointments this time for both senior and minor bringing in proven management teams. Cost is an issue that has to be dealt with however I would assume that the grant from Croke Park is freeing up some funds for this.

As Cheddar said you have to have a good competitive senior team for the young lads to look up to and aspire to. Members of the senior team get involved in the kids training camps which all helps in keeping these kids hurling.

From what I read, hear and see the hurling set up underage isn't that bad and appears, although I am open to correction, to be in a more healthy state that the football.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 27, 2017, 11:32:34 AM
http://www.laoisgaa.ie/contentPage/48190/what_we_do (http://www.laoisgaa.ie/contentPage/48190/what_we_do)

From the Laois GAA site. Fairly comprehensive list of activities going on. How well are they being implemented?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 27, 2017, 01:10:24 PM
Sadly our Co Board have no interest in developing the game for the future.

That is probably quite harsh - and unfair. Have you seen the resources that are being pumped into the development squads? They get endless coaching sessions, are entered into loads of competitions, have exposure to some very strong coaches and the set-ups are like senior set ups - nutritionists, physios, hot meals, great facilities. Managers are carefully selected and work hard too. I would have been really critical of them for many years but fair is fair. A great example is this years minor team. Not viewed as being full of talent but hammered Offaly and ran Dublin very close in their back yard. Some of the coaches and selectors we bring in from stronger counties will say that our set up and commitment is as good as any.

The challenge in Laois is that it needs to be that and better if we ever want to make a breakthrough because we simply don't have the numbers. The other criticism I would have is that, with some very strong exceptions, the club coaching structures are not close enough to the development squad coaching. I know some lads who manage U-14 and U-16 teams who have little time for modern skills coaching and produce teams that don't have the basic skills.

Seemingly in Tipp and KK there are literally 100s of lads fighting it out to make the final development squads and minor panels. We have loads of interest and produce some good hurlers every year but there is a big difference between producing 1 x Cha Dwyer every 5 years or so and producing 5 every year. At least with good coaching structures there is a chance but weight of numbers means that we are fighting an up-hill battle.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 28, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
I agree with alot of the sentiments here that things are finally improving, but there are other glaring issues here that I will point out:

* Many of our schools are doing sweet FA to promote hurling and dare I say, are secretly trying to discourage it.
* Alot of parents are not putting in the effort to encourage their kids to play and it's left to the few die-hard parents.
* County Board need to be designing and implementing courses that are tailor made for clubs and going into the clubs grounds to do these - there is little point in asking clubs to send in people to Portlaoise on a wet Tuesday night for an hour here and there.
* Insurance costs are rising at an alarming rate and this needs to be seriously addressed.
* Referees need to be trained better and some of them are actually a hindrance to the game, that said there needs to be better respect shown for refs. Perhaps set up a carrot-and-donkey system: Referees rate each team on the level of co-operation and respect shown for every game. Teams will get a grant at the end of the year based on their score.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on April 28, 2017, 11:12:28 AM
Would agree with this G@@.

There is also a problem at club level with coaches. I know its hard to get people involved but if they dont have
adequate knowledge it seems to be a waste.
at juvenile level its so important to get this right and yet you see fathers dragged in to give a hand, when in fact it would be great to see the older teams giving back something to the club (I know this is all voluntary and a big ask)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on April 29, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
Laois 1-16 v 0-05 Meath at half time in the Leinster Minor HC.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 29, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
Not all that surprised at that score.

Falling asleep in the second half though. 10 minutes to go and only 6 points in it. Jaysus what is it with Laois teams that they cannot hold onto a big lead?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on April 29, 2017, 04:44:31 PM
There was a really strong wind all through. Favoured Leix in the first half, and Meath in the second. Meath had a big win over Westmeath, so wouldn't be all that bad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 11, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
I saw a picture during the week from Laois minor training where alot of lads were in KK jerseys. I can see the merit in it but wonder will it help much.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 11, 2017, 12:08:32 PM
I saw a picture during the week from Laois minor training where alot of lads were in KK jerseys. I can see the merit in it but wonder will it help much.

It's a standard enough 'desensitization' method. Never saw it work before. I'll bet you KK are not wearing Laois jerseys!!

Best of luck to our boys on Saturday. Seems an honest bunch of lads with plenty of skill who have worked hard. Hope they do themselves justice.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 11, 2017, 02:33:50 PM
I saw a picture during the week from Laois minor training where alot of lads were in KK jerseys. I can see the merit in it but wonder will it help much.
Camross jerseys, but same thing really.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 01:52:53 PM
Maybe someone in the know could confirm this?

is the u14 grade being abolished in 2018 and a new u15 grade being brought in

Also will there be a new u13 grade brought in

Lads out of u12 will hardly be expected to play at u15 (if that level is introduced)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on May 12, 2017, 02:30:38 PM
Maybe someone in the know could confirm this?

is the u14 grade being abolished in 2018 and a new u15 grade being brought in

Also will there be a new u13 grade brought in

Lads out of u12 will hardly be expected to play at u15 (if that level is introduced)
Yes. It's going odd ages the whole way. Under 17, 15, 13, 11 etc.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 02:53:53 PM
Maybe someone in the know could confirm this?

is the u14 grade being abolished in 2018 and a new u15 grade being brought in

Also will there be a new u13 grade brought in

Lads out of u12 will hardly be expected to play at u15 (if that level is introduced)
Yes. It's going odd ages the whole way. Under 17, 15, 13, 11 etc.
Thanks for that SCFC.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: justinn on May 12, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
Proposed Changes to Underage Games Structure
2017 Grade      Structure      2018 Grade
Under 8       Go Games Nursery   Under 7
Under 10       Go Games      Under 9
Under 12      Mini Leagues      Under 11
Under 14      Competitive      Under 13
Under 16      Competitive      Under 15
Under 18 (Minor)   Competitive      Under 17
Under 21 (Football)   Competitive      Under 19
Under 21 (Hurling)   Competitive      Under 20

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 12, 2017, 11:26:45 PM
Proposed Changes to Underage Games Structure
2017 Grade      Structure      2018 Grade
Under 8       Go Games Nursery   Under 7
Under 10       Go Games      Under 9
Under 12      Mini Leagues      Under 11
Under 14      Competitive      Under 13
Under 16      Competitive      Under 15
Under 18 (Minor)   Competitive      Under 17
Under 21 (Football)   Competitive      Under 19
Under 21 (Hurling)   Competitive      Under 20
I think it's a good idea to go under 17 back as it means there is a clear split between adult and juvenile which will do no harm for scheduling.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 12:31:49 PM
Best of luck to minors today. They deserve great credit for performances to date and they have shown that a team is bigger than any one individual. In fairness, there are some very good hurlers on this team who keep their heads down and get on with it.  My main concern is the relative strength of schools hurling between the 2 counties which highlights the challenge facing the lads today.  All they can do is their best.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2017, 04:09:52 PM
Kk 21 points up with 10 mins to go

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2017, 04:23:22 PM
A 30 point hiding off a Kk team who I'd be very surprised will be around in September.


We are miles behind the serious hurling counties in every facet of the modern game.

And before anyone thinks I'm slating this group of lads,I'm not
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: honest hurler on May 13, 2017, 05:17:01 PM
o my god this puts laois back 10 years and the fact that this bunch of lads are honest and hard working is all the worst we must now look at where this went wrong is it at management door or why are we just happy to  beat the likes meath and think that we have our job done
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
o my god this puts laois back 10 years and the fact that this bunch of lads are honest and hard working is all the worst we must now look at where this went wrong is it at management door or why are we just happy to  beat the likes meath and think that we have our job done
As a previous poster  pointed out Kilkenny are no great shakes. Not just with team Laois is well behind the big guns but a lot of the stuff today was self inflicted. There were too many unforced errors in the first half to allow us stay in the game. The sending off in the second half was a shocker. It appears it was a second yellow card for mouthing back at the ref. If that is the case this is totally unacceptable at inter county level. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 13, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
The sending off in the second half was a shocker. It appears it was a second yellow card for mouthing back at the ref. 

Is that what it was for?  Couldn't tell.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 13, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
The sending off in the second half was a shocker. It appears it was a second yellow card for mouthing back at the ref. 

Is that what it was for?  Couldn't tell.
He picked up a yellow card in the first half and the free conceded in the incident was innocuous.Not even sure he even  conceded the free but I take it he did. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 13, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
I remember the one in the first half. I think the ref was pointing around the place as if it was for persistent fouling. Missed the free in the second half.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 13, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
It was hardly even as foul, as far as I could see. Not too impressed w/ the ref. overall.
Anyway, Leix were miles away. They seemed in awe of Kilkenny, and I'd certainly say they'd have fared quite well had they played Wexford. Must be a psychological thing w/ Kilkenny - they were afraid to take them on, or fight for the breaks, until y'r man was sent off early in the second half - and then, ironically, they went at it a bit more. Of course, it was to no avail, because the concession of three exceedingly sloppy goals in the second half took the wind from their sails completely. Apart from the two Comerfords, the pick of the forwards was James Keyes, who put in a spirited display, while Delaney at centre back caught some good ball. Other than that, where do you look? A couple of the subs had a bit of go in them, but midfield was pretty anonymous, and the backs stood off Kilkenny way too much.
However, it's not fair to throw the hat at them completely. Kilkenny will certainly win Leinster, and I disagree that they won't be seen come September. Also, I think management did well w/ what they had - got to a Leinster semi-final which, let's face it, last year's lot didn't do. Beat Offaly and Meath, and maybe could have beaten Dublin w/ a bit more luck. It was a minor team that wasn't rated at the start of the year, so to get to a semi is fine. OK, they let themselves down badly in the end, but they were never going to win, and they knew it. Things like protecting the hand going for a catch need working on in this county, as well. I suppose it's things like that allied w/ the fear of Kilkenny that led to the pounding today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 09:59:15 PM
Laois were woeful in the air and seemed unable to catch a ball let alone hold onto it. When you're loosing the aerial battle 90% of the time it's curtains regarding staying in the game. I'm looking at Laois teams for close on three decades now and year after year it's the same ills:

* Inability to catch let alone hold a ball
* Inability to rise the ball quickly and drive out into space
* Inability to read the game and get into good positions when a team-mate has the ball
* Constantly hitting the ball in hope - usually to the opposition who has half fecking acre to launch another attack
* Constantly getting bottled up and being forced to spill ball
* Stupid slaps in front of the referee

Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Yes, this was a limited Laois team today, but no way should they have been tanked by 30pts. That referee was a sickener dishing out cards like confetti - there was hardly a dirty stroke all day. The timing of the sending off was detrimental. Referees like that are going to be the death of hurling.

As for Kilkenny, they have a nice few talented hurlers in the squad and although they didn't set the world alight in the first half, they know how to draw blood when it counts. They will no doubt climb the steps of the hogan stand in September.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 13, 2017, 11:45:12 PM


Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


Have you ever prepared a team at any level?
Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there.

Laois were well beaten. We were nowhere near good enough. Unfortunately.
Laois had a couple of very progressive and methodical people involved in both hurling and S&C coaching. Neither of those two deserve to be tainted with that the idea that they don't employ modern methods and attempt to address shortcomings like the ones listed above.
It is not computer programming. There are variables involved, particularly when dealing with young lads, and even  more so when faced with opposition like Kilkenny. Things go wrong. The arse falls out of things on the day sometimes.
It doesn't mean that those preparing the team didn't see what was to be done and try to do it.

And as for honest hurler. Back with another agenda I see. Maybe it is time to look a bit closer to home for the answer to all these problems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on May 13, 2017, 11:55:32 PM
Have you ever prepared a team at any level?
Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there.

It is not computer programming.

Whoa, obviously hit a nerve there with ya. Well let me indulge you without resorting to calling out my observations as "Ridiculous aul shite you are spouting there"

NO, I have not ever prepared a team, so by that token if the shortcomings I've identified above are that obvious to a half dim-wit like me who couldn't prepare a team then what the holy jaysus fook are the lads who are supposed to be preparing them looking at?

Secondly, regarding computer programming - that is EXACTLY what it is. These Kilkenny lads, Tipp lads are brought into county setups where the boy is broken down and the man is built up and shown how to hurl with steel and intelligence.

I saw 18 men versus 1 man in Portlaoise today. 15 were wearing black and amber jerseys, one was their manager, one was the referee and finally only one had the honour to don' the blue and white.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2017, 11:58:00 PM
Laois were woeful in the air and seemed unable to catch a ball let alone hold onto it. When you're loosing the aerial battle 90% of the time it's curtains regarding staying in the game. I'm looking at Laois teams for close on three decades now and year after year it's the same ills:

* Inability to catch let alone hold a ball
* Inability to rise the ball quickly and drive out into space
* Inability to read the game and get into good positions when a team-mate has the ball
* Constantly hitting the ball in hope - usually to the opposition who has half fecking acre to launch another attack
* Constantly getting bottled up and being forced to spill ball
* Stupid slaps in front of the referee

Why are coaches and mentors not able to see this and address the issue? What are these minor teams being trained to do? It seems there is a 1970's Laois Hurling training manual that is compulsory for every Laois manager to read and implement to the letter once appointed to the role. It's the definition of stupidity - doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Yes, this was a limited Laois team today, but no way should they have been tanked by 30pts. That referee was a sickener dishing out cards like confetti - there was hardly a dirty stroke all day. The timing of the sending off was detrimental. Referees like that are going to be the death of hurling.

As for Kilkenny, they have a nice few talented hurlers in the squad and although they didn't set the world alight in the first half, they know how to draw blood when it counts. They will no doubt climb the steps of the hogan stand in September.

Touch of Stockholm syndrome there,agh shur Kilkenny bate us but they will
win the all ireland

We shall revisit this in September,but I would have my doubts
Tipp with 5/6 of last years team plus the templemore contingent I'd have down as favourites,Cork were the only ones who gave them a game last year that and the fact that the development work at u14/16 these past few years should start to come through at minor level and Galway being Galway are never too far away either.

The rest of your post I couldn't find fault with

Next weds night in the Centre of Excellence,Laois are down to play the Tipperary  north division (4 divisions in Tipp)in the celtic u17 challenge,it will be interesting to see will we have learnt anything at this age level
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 14, 2017, 12:09:41 AM

I saw 18 men versus 1 man in Portlaoise today. 15 were wearing black and amber jerseys, one was their manager, one was the referee and finally only one had the honour to don' the blue and white.

Could you elaborate on this for those of us who don't live inside your head?

On the other points.
Every team has it's limitations. Particularly at minor level.
Identifying problems and coming up with ways to ATTEMPT to address them is vital to any management/coaching set up.
You correctly identify this as important.
It is a massive assumption to suggest that this did not happen.

Computers do what they are told and when programmed properly operate 100% all the time. There are no variables (Opposition, nerves, human error etc etc)
It is not comparable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 14, 2017, 01:30:54 AM
We were all pre-warned. Everyone. If you didn't know this was a minor panel who struggled at 14/15/16 level then shame on you.

Look, today was ugly. It was bad. Really bad.
But the Dublin game could have been just the same. We had a plan and we stuck to it doggedly. Kilkenny saw our plan, our limitations and exploited both and more.

We prepared a team very well this last two months. It wasn't a great team and with 3 exceptions, it won't be a team heralded for producing Laois Senior Hurlers.

Fair play to everyone involved and I mean pretty much everyone. We had a management team that inspired a decent team with literally zero input from the actual manager. Christy Walsh will leave having had absolutely no impact, provided no impetus and done little but drain our coffers of valuable resources. Plenty commenting here know this as a fact and I can't for the life of me figure out why it hasn't been said before now. Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

In my opinion, we have better teams to follow and I hope we see definite improvements, we'll see that if they buy in like this year's minors did.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 14, 2017, 01:44:16 AM

We were all pre-warned. Everyone. If you didn't know this was a minor panel who struggled at 14/15/16 level then shame on you. You're an idiot.

Look, today was ugly. It was bad. Really bad.
But the Dublin game could have been just the same. We had a plan and we stuck to it doggedly. Kilkenny saw our plan, our limitations and exploited both and more.

We prepared a team very well this last two months. It wasn't a great team and with 3 exceptions, it won't be a team heralded for producing Laois Senior Hurlers.

Fair play to everyone involved and I mean pretty much everyone. We had a management team that inspired a decent team with literally zero input from the actual manager. Christy Walsh will leave having had absolutely no impact, provided no impetus and done little but drain our coffers of valuable resources. Plenty commenting here know this as a fact and I can't for the life of me figure out why it hasn't been said before now. Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

In my opinion, we have better teams to follow and I hope we see definite improvements, we'll see that if they buy in like this year's minors did.

100% the truth. I suppose people just don't like coming out with stuff like that. But it is the truth from what I know of what has been going on.

There are others involved who deserve credit. They shouldn't be ridiculed.

Our Minor panel of 2017 performed admirably.

All you can do is work hard and ATTEMPT to reach the maximum heights possible with the talent at your disposal. Today was my 3rd time watching this team this year, but I've seen a good bit of most of the players. They are simply not there.
I echo the above statement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 14, 2017, 09:19:04 AM
There are lads on here who obviously know a lot more about the hurling scene in Laois than I do but I think some of the commentary here is very harsh towards these young players.

I've watched them twice this year and I really admire the character that they've been showing all through. I wish some of their more talented compatriots in blue and white would show the same character sometimes.

The two Comerfords (and especially Ciaran) are lovely hurlers and our centre back was certainly a lot better than theirs. I thought James Keyes showed plenty of energy and fight too. I would be very happy indeed to see these lads progress onto the senior team.

Kilkenny were the better team yesterday for sure. But they weren't 30 points the better team. The sending off (which was totally bizarre) really destroyed any prospect of a decent game.

I can't imagine that Kilkenny will be too far away in September. Their physicality will be too much for most minor teams. I don't think Galway are likely to be a serious threat this year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 14, 2017, 09:21:53 AM
Absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: honest hurler on May 14, 2017, 07:31:31 PM
Well keyser soze I have got you going and unfortunately you don't like to hear some truths . Well I don't know where you are going with your dirty remarks if the shoe fits you should wear it it's at your back door in relation to training of such players I don't have an agenda  in relation to thoes players mearly just saying some truths
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 14, 2017, 11:47:40 PM
Well keyser soze I have got you going and unfortunately you don't like to hear some truths . Well I don't know where you are going with your dirty remarks if the shoe fits you should wear it it's at your back door in relation to training of such players I don't have an agenda  in relation to thoes players mearly just saying some truths
o my god this puts laois back 10 years and the fact that this bunch of lads are honest and hard working is all the worst we must now look at where this went wrong is it at management door or why are we just happy to  beat the likes meath and think that we have our job done

You're embarrassing yourself.

You clearly have an agenda. A pathetic one most probably.

The coaching of this minor team was as good as we have had. We had a good backroom team with professionals stats and analysis, an excellent team secretary and two selectors who drove things on selflessly this last few weeks. I believe the S&C was decent if not amazing.
Ask the players, they'll tell you, particularly the players who were involved last year.

Pity about the actual manager but I was impressed with his CV on appointment so it would be hypocritical of me to criticise the county board for his selection.

We are benefiting massively from the regrading of age-groups. Our current U15s will be interesting and we have a fine bunch of 14 just behind. I don't necessarily predict they will win All-Irelands but they should be very competitive at A level. We need that consistently over a decade or more if we're going to see any tangible improvements.

I understand the Senata programme has been reset and renewed so we should hopefully see some improvements coming down the line. Apparently the cumann na bunscoil finals are fixed for this Thursday so it'd be great to see a strong standard on show.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 15, 2017, 12:41:53 AM
There is more than one agenda there Merman, depending on the time of the year.
The agenda heightens during the transfer window!

On Christy Walsh, he might have come with a decent CV, but he was very much down the line in terms of approaches. The world and its mother said no to the job apparently!

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 15, 2017, 10:36:20 AM
There was a strong wind on Saturday that favoured Laois in the first half but there was on a couple of points in it at half time so they worked their socks off. It's not hard to see how KK would put you away once they get the chance. Heads then drop and the scores flow much easier for the victors. I wasn't there Saturday but I saw them against Dublin and they worked very hard that day and with a bit more luck may have got the win. Hopefully the likes of Ciaran Comerford, Delaney and Oisin Bennett can continue to improve and we see them in a sebior jersey in the future.
I too read Christy Walsh's cv and thought this is a good appointment so I am surprised to hear the comments about him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on May 15, 2017, 03:03:34 PM
A hard scoreline to comprehend after a few years of competing really well at this level.

Disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 15, 2017, 03:33:38 PM
A hard scoreline to comprehend after a few years of competing really well at this level.

Disappointing to say the least.

Not sure how it is hard to comprehend after the same team struggled as U14s,U15s and U16s. Wasn't from want of effort and commitment and remember they had a great win over Offaly, beat Meath and ran Dublin very close. Not the end of the world as they will probably provide a few players to future U21s and Seniors. Even the strong teams only manage 3-4 who make it through. The other lads will have benefited from top level coaching and bring that back to their clubs.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 15, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
In fairness, it was only in the last quarter that things got really bad. A couple of soft goals, and the heads dropped. KK only piled on the scores, really, in the last 10 minutes, and probably the two last goals were in the last couple of minutes
It was an unfortunate end, sure - but they did all right this year. I don't think there's any need to be overly critical.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: smcder on May 15, 2017, 05:57:59 PM
In fairness, it was only in the last quarter that things got really bad. A couple of soft goals, and the heads dropped. KK only piled on the scores, really, in the last 10 minutes, and probably the two last goals were in the last couple of minutes
It was an unfortunate end, sure - but they did all right this year. I don't think there's any need to be overly critical.

yeah lads,  they got something like 4-5 or 5-5 or more in the last 15 minutes, with the wind and the extra player. We weren't good enough, but the scoreline isn't a fair reflection in the team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 15, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
In fairness, it was only in the last quarter that things got really bad. A couple of soft goals, and the heads dropped. KK only piled on the scores, really, in the last 10 minutes, and probably the two last goals were in the last couple of minutes
It was an unfortunate end, sure - but they did all right this year. I don't think there's any need to be overly critical.
Have to agree. It was a decent effort all year by the players and management. Even on Saturday, the team tried hard but a couple of the goals were freakish which would knock the heart out of any team. The main thing is to keep the team together over the next few years as there are definitely a couple of senior prospects in the group.

Modern underage GAA be it club or county is a numbers game. There are just way more youngsters hurling in Kilkenny and Dublin and it's nigh impossible for any small county to compete with demographics stacked against them.
     
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 15, 2017, 07:57:04 PM
Just looking at the minor team that lost to KK in leinster final in 2014 a large amount of that group are currently  involved with the seniors.


 Laois: Enda Rowland; Gavin Dunne, Ryan Mullaney, Evan Cuddy; Dwane Palmer, Ciaran McEvoy, Ronan Delahunty; Liam O’Connell, Colm Stapleton; John Lennon, Leigh Bergin, Aidan Corby; Darragh Cripps, Joe Campion (c), Stephen Bergin.

Substitutions: Ciaran Collier for Cripps (39), Mark Kavanagh for L Bergin (39), Kevin Bergin for S Bergin (49), Ronan Broderick for Lennon (51), Jack Delaney for Stapleton (58).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 16, 2017, 03:34:07 PM
Just looking at the minor team that lost to KK in leinster final in 2014 a large amount of that group are currently  involved with the seniors.


 Laois: Enda Rowland; Gavin Dunne, Ryan Mullaney, Evan Cuddy; Dwane Palmer, Ciaran McEvoy, Ronan Delahunty; Liam O’Connell, Colm Stapleton; John Lennon, Leigh Bergin, Aidan Corby; Darragh Cripps, Joe Campion (c), Stephen Bergin.

Substitutions: Ciaran Collier for Cripps (39), Mark Kavanagh for L Bergin (39), Kevin Bergin for S Bergin (49), Ronan Broderick for Lennon (51), Jack Delaney for Stapleton (58).

If we could produce hurlers of that standard every year, things will continue to improve.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 16, 2017, 04:05:08 PM
Just looking at the minor team that lost to KK in leinster final in 2014 a large amount of that group are currently  involved with the seniors.


 Laois: Enda Rowland; Gavin Dunne, Ryan Mullaney, Evan Cuddy; Dwane Palmer, Ciaran McEvoy, Ronan Delahunty; Liam O’Connell, Colm Stapleton; John Lennon, Leigh Bergin, Aidan Corby; Darragh Cripps, Joe Campion (c), Stephen Bergin.

Substitutions: Ciaran Collier for Cripps (39), Mark Kavanagh for L Bergin (39), Kevin Bergin for S Bergin (49), Ronan Broderick for Lennon (51), Jack Delaney for Stapleton (58).


If we could produce hurlers of that standard every year, things will continue to improve.
Goes to show, winning minors means f**k all at the end of the day. But then we know that better than most.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 16, 2017, 04:13:03 PM
What did they win?!

More seriously, though - I'd always thought Evan Cuddy was pretty good on that team. Why has he not stepped up/ what happened to him?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 16, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
What did they win?!

More seriously, though - I'd always thought Evan Cuddy was pretty good on that team. Why has he not stepped up/ what happened to him?
Nothing. Thats the point. You don't need to be winning at underage, you can pick up many a hurler off a losing team.

However, we saw plenty of minor winning teams go on to do f**k all in this county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 16, 2017, 05:13:28 PM
The big disappointments from that minor team of course are Colm Stapleton and Joe Campion. They should be backboning our senior team now.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 02:18:37 PM
Rosenallis responds.....


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/05/17/gaa-suspension-anomalies-raised-rosenallis-speak-following-recent-u-16-controversy/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
The big disappointments from that minor team of course are Colm Stapleton and Joe Campion. They should be backboning our senior team now.
Incredibly disappointing. Campions more so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 05:12:06 PM
Laois u17's v Tipp u17  North Division tonight 7:30 in the centre of excellence

Celtic Challenge

Tipp North 2 from 2

Laois 2 losses from 2

http://www.gaa.ie/celticchallenge/tables
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
Tipp North division 4-14 Laois 1-02 with 10 mins left

Tipp have brought in 8 subs

Appalling

As one Tipp wag said "any of our u17 club teams would beat Laois"

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
Ft 5-21 to 1-03
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
What do you expect? Our resources are stretched at this level, the Celtic Challenge is a pile of c**k.

Tipp wags can go f**k themselves too.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
Yeah Don,the bulldog spirit should see us through.

The contrast in warmups alone would tell you,how far behind we are even against a divisional outfit
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:31:24 PM
A quarter of the counties population reside in Portlaoise, and they cant field a second team. Theres your f**king problem.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on May 17, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 17, 2017, 10:24:03 PM
Seven lads named to start never turned up tonight. Two turned up for training on Saturday. The lads who did play worked hard but were up against it from the start. Andrew Kavanagh is doing his best to get this going but lads just don't care.
In fairness, the Tipp lads have a realistic prospect of All Ireland medals to aim for in the future but what have our lads got to inspire them?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 11:28:15 PM
This wasn't the Tipperary u17 team

This was the North Division u17 team,not the mid,south or west combined  division team.

I actually felt sorry for Andrew there tonight on his own,That Tipp team had a 4 man management team and a full coaching set up while he appeared to be there on his own.




Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.

Yep Don

Here's a result from Round 1,Laois against a County with a huge population and not divided in 2 by hurling and football

Round 1 - Birr
Offaly 2-20 Laois 0-08
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2017, 11:41:18 PM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.

Yep Don

Here's a result from Round 1,Laois against a County with a huge population and not divided in 2 by hurling and football

Round 1 - Birr
Offaly 2-20 Laois 0-08
Offaly hasnt a huge population. Do try to keep up.

The Portlaoise question needs to be fixed, its a disgrace.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 12:00:11 AM
What was the Laois team? What was the Laois warm up v Tipps? It's an awful result. What's going on? Two huge losses in the space of 5 days.
Its the Celtic Challenge, it benefits counties with bigger picks. We dont have the pick. Why dont we have the pick? Because half the county dont give a f**k about hurling. Why dont we have the pick? Because 1/4 of the population live in a town who outside a small core, dont give a f**k about hurling. f**k the Celtic Challenge.

Yep Don

Here's a result from Round 1,Laois against a County with a huge population and not divided in 2 by hurling and football

Round 1 - Birr
Offaly 2-20 Laois 0-08
Offaly hasnt a huge population. Do try to keep up.

The Portlaoise question needs to be fixed, its a disgrace.

Whoosh.............


That's the sound of it going right over your head Don

Offaly don't have a big pick either and still bet us by 18 points
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on May 18, 2017, 06:27:38 AM
Don you're dead right about the Portlaoise problem. About the same population as Kilrenny which has 3 massive hurling clubs as opposed to 1in Portlaoise which often seems to have little interest in hurling. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:06:34 AM
Don you're dead right about the Portlaoise problem. About the same population as Kilrenny which has 3 massive hurling clubs as opposed to 1in Portlaoise which often seems to have little interest in hurling.
Its a thundering disgrace. They seem incapable of growing hurling in the town, how hard could it be? The interest to do it obviously isnt there. It should be taken out of their hands. What hope have we with 1/4 of our population in one area, to be serviced by one club. And as we've seen on here, that club is content to go out of their way to poach other clubs players as has happened in the last 12 months. What hope have we as a county?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 18, 2017, 09:07:39 AM
A quarter of the counties population reside in Portlaoise, and they cant field a second team. Theres your f**king problem.


Not that I want to be seen defending Portlaoise, but they do have a second team.
Also, Portlaoise was never much of a hurling town until that good group came in the early '80s. Of course, there's no reason that shouldn't have been built on, but there's obviously not a strong enough cohort within the club to push the cause of hurling to the fore.
Portlaoise do seem very bad at holding onto lads, however, or developing good underage structures.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:10:05 AM
A quarter of the counties population reside in Portlaoise, and they cant field a second team. Theres your f**king problem.


Not that I want to be seen defending Portlaoise, but they do have a second team.
Also, Portlaoise was never much of a hurling town until that good group came in the early '80s. Of course, there's no reason that shouldn't have been built on, but there's obviously not a strong enough cohort within the club to push the cause of hurling to the fore.
Portlaoise do seem very bad at holding onto lads, however, or developing good underage structures.
Have a look at what I said, I didn't say they hadn't one, I said THEY CANT FIELD A SECOND TEAM.

Look at last nights fixtures
17/05/2017
ACHL Div 3
19:30   Rathdowney Errill   -   vs   -   Portlaoise GAA   Conceded by Portlaoise GAA

The last part of your post is the problem. There is NO EXCUSE for Portlaoise not having a strong hurling club, ONE QUARTER of the counties population! Its a simple numbers game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 18, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
Yeah, well, their Division 5 team fields, so it is de facto their second team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
Yeah, well, their Division 5 team fields, so it is de facto their second team.
With the best will in the world, thats still unacceptable from the club, and the county. Its in fact, embarrassing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 18, 2017, 09:23:17 AM
Two of the best county hurling men are in Portlaoise. If Critchley and Cheddar cannot get the participation rate up then nobody will. Are the street leagues still going on in the town? Also, would Clonad not take players from the town?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 09:25:51 AM
Two of the best county hurling men are in Portlaoise. If Critchley and Cheddar cannot get the participation rate up then nobody will. Are the street leagues still going on in the town? Also, would Clonad not take players from the town?
They can do f**k all unless the will of the club is behind them. Besides, they've been preoccupied with Laois for some number of years now. Its already been mentioned here that Portlaoise have taken players from Clonad in recent years, not the other way round.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 10:14:15 AM
Portlaoise are taking players from Clonad and Park,not the other way round.

Portlaoise is one issue.

The other issue has is the apathy at best and downright hostility at worst towards hurling by the football clubs in this county.

While it's great to see Slieve Margey in place the reality is that the few good people in that club are fighting a losing battle but hey,at least the football clubs involved can pat themselves on the back and say shur aren't we offering hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on May 18, 2017, 10:27:34 AM
Is the Portlaoise team thats in Div 5 bascially there intermediate team?Thats not fair if so ...heard likes of Brian Mulligan is togging for them they put up some score against Trumera this week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 10:27:42 AM
The Slieve Margy experiment would seem to have failed already sadly.

We have little hurling resources in this county. Time to follow the GAA template in Dublin and pour the majority of them into Portlaoise. Keep the rest going, but for now, we need to solve the Portlaois problem, because it seems obvious Portlaoise cant seem to solve it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on May 18, 2017, 10:34:42 AM
I'm from the town but involved with a club outside at this stage and I agree completely with the Don

Resources will have to be poured into Portlaoise Dubs style.

Seems to be a serious doughnut effect where all people potentially playing GAA/Hurling are now moving out to surrounding clubs

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 18, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
Is the Portlaoise team thats in Div 5 bascially there intermediate team?Thats not fair if so ...heard likes of Brian Mulligan is togging for them they put up some score against Trumera this week.
Portlaoise's Div 5 team looks very strong in fact it could give it's named 17 for intermediate a game. the 2nd team game a walkover  last night which is a bit of a joke considering they fielded Div 5 on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 11:16:58 AM
I'm from the town but involved with a club outside at this stage and I agree completely with the Don

Resources will have to be poured into Portlaoise Dubs style.

Seems to be a serious doughnut effect where all people potentially playing GAA/Hurling are now moving out to surrounding clubs

Does the multimillion Euro bailout from Croke Park on Rathleague not qualify?,

still I guess dragging Neighbouring clubs to the DRA over juvenile players  at €3,000 a pop does drain the resources all right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
Perhaps, and its a well worn conversation at this point, but perhaps, given the lack of improvement in underage hurling, and the revelation that 1/4 of the counties population now resides in the town, that its time to force a split onto Portlaoise and let the cards fall where they may. Either back another club in the town (they could work out of Fr Browne Avenue for the start up), or simply draw lines through the town, and let the other parish clubs take possession of those areas. It'd be for their own good. They may not realise it, but in time they will be grateful for it being forced upon them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 11:52:13 AM
If there's to be a second club in the Town,Who funds it?

Hardly the CB,more than likely the Leinster Council or Croke Park and it will need to be properly funded because Portlaoise will do everything in their power to strangle it at birth as what happened the last time there was an attempt to put a 2nd club into the town.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 11:57:08 AM
If there's to be a second club in the Town,Who funds it?

Hardly the CB,more than likely the Leinster Council or Croke Park and it will need to be properly funded because Portlaoise will do everything in their power to strangle it at birth as what happened the last time there was an attempt to put a 2nd club into the town.
The last attempt was a shambles from the start. This time the COE can be used for the grounds so there is a footing. There are templates for this being done. If Castleknock can set up in the middle of Brigids and OPER, a club can be put into Fr Browne Avenue. The last club was solely a football club, Portlaoise cared enough about football to finish it before it began.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 18, 2017, 12:02:09 PM
When you have no real competition from another club to compete for players, standards drop and complacency sets in. A town the size of Portlaoise should realistically have three strong functioning clubs operating out of it. However I fear little will be done to rectify this situation in the foreseeable future. The appetite, resources or manpower to achieve change simply isn't there. With the pick available to them-Portlaoise should hoover up nearly every available juvenile title in both codes if things were being run properly. This is nowhere near happening. A second club is needed but there is huge apathy towards GAA in the town. You'd need a number of very committed individuals and plenty of resources to get it functioning properly. You also need access to and build up relationships with the primary schools. That is the key to something like that taking off-develop a strong nursery and over time things will snowball. Look at Castleknock in Dublin. Only 20 years old and now one of the strongest teams in the country. They invested hugely at underage level (still do) in the beginning and created a buzz/enjoyment for playing hurling and football. The club is now thriving and there is a real sense of community attached to club as well. It does show it's possible.   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on May 18, 2017, 12:44:35 PM
I'm purely commenting from a gaa community point of view
Portlaoise can go to hell as far as i'm concerned

Facts are county board just not upto scratch regards initiatives to change status quo

Primary schools are an issue








 
I'm from the town but involved with a club outside at this stage and I agree completely with the Don

Resources will have to be poured into Portlaoise Dubs style.

Seems to be a serious doughnut effect where all people potentially playing GAA/Hurling are now moving out to surrounding clubs

Does the multimillion Euro bailout from Croke Park on Rathleague not qualify?,

still I guess dragging Neighbouring clubs to the DRA over juvenile players  at €3,000 a pop does drain the resources all right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 12:57:47 PM
Would a Hurling only Club in Portlaoise be an option?,and the path of least resistance..
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 18, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
In my opinion you will need to get someone with a vision as to how this will work best for everyone and put in place a long term plan. Would probably need a patron or donor because the money won't be coming from the CB or Croke Park. Once they get the go ahead from CB you would need a couple of ex players who would also have a long term vision to actively get the club up and running and in my opinion it should be started as a hurling club only!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 18, 2017, 01:51:17 PM
Knowing how hard it is to keep an established club going, it is likely that all the passionate hurling people in Portlaoise are working hard to keep the Portlaoise club going, or have got burned out and have walked away. To expect Portlaoise to split itself in two or three would be unrealistic. Who from any club is going to leave that club, to establish another club in order to compete with your own club? The only way it would work would be to get people not involved with Portlaoise to try set up a club independently. That would be a huge undertaking and good luck to anyone who takes it on. I personally can't imagine leaving my own club to start a rival club. Until you have an Arles type split to force the issue it is likely to remain so.
 Possibly if the County Board were to canvass the Portlaoise area to see if there was an appetite for this, it could start, but you would be looking at putting together a management team to get it up and running before handing over to a new club committee. How you get people to leave their own clubs to do this would be the problem.

With regard to the specifics of the current u17's, if you look at last year's u16 championship, only Castletown Slieve Bloom and Rathdowney Errill were really competitive. Clough Ballacolla were joined with Abbeyleix and Borris Kilcotton, Clonad, Ballinakill and Park Ratheniska were in the B. I'm not running down these clubs, but the numbers were just not there in the clubs. People must have been holding off having babies in 2000! I don't think any Castletown Slieve Bloom players were present last night for whatever, and one of our own best hurlers didn't go because he couldn't be arsed.

In contrast, last year's and this year's u14s have been very competitive, and there is a very strong bunch in the u14 development squad this year. Whether these will progress in the next few years remains to be seen, but at least it's looking promising.

We could do with some more GDAs as both Andrew and Ciaran are putting in serious hours including evenings and weekends and I can't fault their efforts.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 18, 2017, 02:07:35 PM
In essence, you have come back to my original reaction mad mentor, that this celtic challenge isn't worth a whole hill of beans.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sanny on May 18, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Is Clonad not a second club in the town ?
Maybe clubs should look at their own set-up and stop looking for ways to break-up Portlaoise?
Typical Reaction!! Channel your bitterness into something more constructive in your own club ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on May 18, 2017, 08:44:32 PM
Clonad is a raheen club that lads from the heath go to play hurling with,  if you were going to set up a club in portlaoise do it at under 8 under 10 level and work your way up with the groups use the COE as their grounds there are plenty of families in the town with no connections to portlaoise gaa and those  parents would probably be more willing to bring kids to a club in the town too, but you would be talking about a 10 to 15 year project
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 18, 2017, 08:54:51 PM
Can you honestly say Sanny that Laois is maximising it's potential from having one club in Portlaoise? One third of population live in the town and on that basis Portlaoise G.A.A. should be realistically able to field minimum of 4 adults teams and at least 3/4 underage teams at each underage level if structures were right and tapping into the schools correctly. This is presently not happening. With a third of pick, Portlaoise should realistically be provide close to 7/8 players to every underage Laois squad.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
Is Clonad not a second club in the town ?
Maybe clubs should look at their own set-up and stop looking for ways to break-up Portlaoise?
Typical Reaction!! Channel your bitterness into something more constructive in your own club ?

Eh the clue might be in the name of our Juvenile set up

Raheen.
Parish.
Gaels.


There are 1200 odd,boys between first class and sixth class in the town primary schools.

How many are juvenile members of Portlaoise GAA club?.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on May 18, 2017, 10:33:28 PM
1199, 1 got away
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Sanny on May 18, 2017, 11:29:19 PM
Do Portlaoise have the resources to tap into the potential in the primary schools ? I doubt it ? This is a county board issue . Whether they play with Portlaoise, Clonad, The Heath etc is irrelevant. Because these numbers are not being reflected in Portlaoise GAA Juvenile teams is hardly totally their fault . There is a far bigger issue here being ignored by people who just want any opportunity to have a go ?
If 1/3 of the underage playing population are in Portlaoise schools , why is there not a GDA there semi permanently developing kids for whatever club they wish to play for ?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 19, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
Huge credit to Cullohill NS who have qualified for the final of Division 1 in the cumann an bunscoil hurling. Defending champions; great consistency for a relatively small school.

Interesting to see that Emo will play in the Division 2 Final. Great work up there.

I understand both Killanure and Camross both have teams in finals. Great work going on up in Camross.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 19, 2017, 08:45:49 AM
Do Portlaoise have the resources to tap into the potential in the primary schools ? I doubt it ? This is a county board issue . Whether they play with Portlaoise, Clonad, The Heath etc is irrelevant. Because these numbers are not being reflected in Portlaoise GAA Juvenile teams is hardly totally their fault . There is a far bigger issue here being ignored by people who just want any opportunity to have a go ?
If 1/3 of the underage playing population are in Portlaoise schools , why is there not a GDA there semi permanently developing kids for whatever club they wish to play for ?
County board issue? f**k sake, do every club want the county board to take them by the hand and do everything for them?

You know what, maybe you're right, maybe it is a county board issue, maybe in fact, its a leinster council issue, and a croke park issue. Maybe its as simple as what we've been saying all along, Portlaoise are incapable of handling Portlaoise town, and it needs to be taken out of their hands. You might just be right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 22, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Saw this on the Laois GAA twitter. Encouraging.

Well done to our U14 hurlers who had a good win over Limerick today and to our U15hurlers who had two great games with Waterford. #goodwork
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on May 22, 2017, 10:03:20 PM
Saw this on the Laois GAA twitter. Encouraging.

Well done to our U14 hurlers who had a good win over Limerick today and to our U15hurlers who had two great games with Waterford. #goodwork

Very encouraging is right. Who's involved with all them squads?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Town3FB on May 28, 2017, 02:50:38 AM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/251908/top-class-action-at-cumann-na-mbunscol-hurling-finals-but-day-1-ends-in-drama.html

Great promotin off hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 28, 2017, 06:57:17 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on May 28, 2017, 07:33:11 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 28, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands
Yea, f**k it shur, we really should be beating the likes of Tipp by a cricket score in both. Disband the panel this instant!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 28, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands

Idiotic post.

Anyone have any insight into the games?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 28, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
Played in Colt

Tipp brought full u15 panel,the better side in the first game mainly down to their size and power.

They didn't like getting bet in the second game!!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 29, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands

Beating Tipp is never to be sneezed at. Our seniors are a long way off that mark so it's good to see the underage players competing with the top counties.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 29, 2017, 10:53:15 PM
More encouraging news on Laois GAA twitter.

The Laois U15 squad who played Tipp. Game 1 Tipp 3-10 Laois 1-09. Game 2 Laois 3-16 Tipp 4-11. Thanks @TipperaryGAA

Really? From what I can see they lost the first game and then barely won the second. Hardly anything to dream of winning all irelands

Beating Tipp is never to be sneezed at. Our seniors are a long way off that mark so it's good to see the underage players competing with the top counties.

Agreed

Played Limerick recently at u15 as well,won 1 lost 1 by a small margin.

That's the company we need to be competitive with at all underage levels.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on May 30, 2017, 10:04:19 AM
Laois Cumann na mBunscol are due to meet this week to discuss the controversial events in one of the hurling finals in O’Moore Park last Thursday.

The Division 8 hurling final, the last game of the day on Thursday, was between Castletown’s second team, primarily made up of the school’s younger students, and Knockmay’s first team. However it was alleged that Castletown played a number of their ‘first’ team in the game.

Furthermore, the match programme only listed first names for all of the Castletown players.

When the Castletown management were approached by members of the media looking for a complete team list before the game, it was claimed they were too busy getting the team prepared for the game to give out the names. It was then later claimed that there was ‘legal reasons’ they couldn’t give full names as some of their players were going through ‘deed poll’.

Knockmay actually led the game by 3-2 to 2-4 at half time with Cian Cleary, Jake Lawless and Davin Dunne all on the scoresheet.

But Castletown got on top in the second half and won by nine points in the end.

The result of the game stood, and even though Knockmay had been made aware of what Castletown had done, the cup presentation was carried out.

Afterwards, members of the media approached Castletown principal Monica Kennedy-Phelan, who is also Chairperson of Laois Cumann na mBunscol, and she confirmed that the school played some of their ‘first’ team in the game.

Ms Kennedy-Phelan stated the school took the decision on ‘health and safety grounds’, as their ‘second’ team was too small, and they were worried they could not physically compete with Knockmay.

She also confirmed that some of the students were going through deed poll and that is why the school declined to provide full names.

When the sides met in the group stages of the competition Knockmay came out on top.

Members of Laois Cumann na mBunscol have since confirmed that no rule prohibiting schools from using ‘A’ players on their ‘B’ teams currently exist, but that what Castletown admitted to doing was against the ‘morals and spirit of the game’.

This is very poor from Castletown, the chairpersons position is untenable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on May 30, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
Going solely on the two Laois today articles:

Its poor form from Castletown NS

For a chairperson of cnmb to endorse playing first team players on a b team is incredible imo. The health and safety excuse doesn't wash either. Team should not have entered in competition if not physically  developed enough to compete with other teams.

It's unfortunate that Knockmay is school on wrong end of this. It's likely a lot of their players don't come from a strong gaa background, something like this can easily finish them with hurling. There's no point in talking about developing hurling in Portlaoise then letting stuff like this happen
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on May 30, 2017, 02:47:17 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.
It's possible that they were acting the maggot all year and didn't have a "B team" at all. You'd imagine these theoretical younger kids who supposedly got them to the final were coming up against older kids all spring? I'd say it's not one to brag about.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.
It's possible that they were acting the maggot all year and didn't have a "B team" at all. You'd imagine these theoretical younger kids who supposedly got them to the final were coming up against older kids all spring? I'd say it's not one to brag about.
Wouldn't be hard find out. Team lists would be handed in for all games, and even Knockmay who played them earlier in the year would know who turned out against them.

Its bizarre behaviour though and shames all involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Target Man on May 30, 2017, 03:39:40 PM
Be tough work out if team lists are first names only  ::)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Uisce on May 30, 2017, 03:58:27 PM
Extremely bad form from whatever decision makers in Castletown did this. Considering how important playing team sports is in a child's formative years it really gives the wrong impression to both sets of students. Most likely nothing will come of this but it is a pity that this situation has arisen because of an adults selfishness.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2017, 04:08:58 PM
Be tough work out if team lists are first names only  ::)
Curiouser and curiouser. A CNMB medal is not to be sniffed at though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 30, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
Isn't "deed poll" the procedure by which a person can change his/her name?

Is this a common thing in Casteltown? Are they joking or do they mean something else?

Maybe Willie Dunphy could change his name before the next round of the championship and avoid the ban??!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 30, 2017, 04:22:25 PM
Thats cuntish in the extreme and very tough on players from both schools, the younger fellas who made it to a county final for Castletown never got to play in it. Thats almost as bad, if not worse than what was done to Knockmay.

Agreed Ms Double Barrelled Principle sounds like a right person

"We won it and ye can do f**k all about it" was her initial reaction at the bottom of the podium to the opposition management on the day.

There is a CnaB EGM  called for tomorrow.

Where the Chairwoman may find herself in an untenable position
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 30, 2017, 07:17:53 PM
This absolutely stinks. What sort of morals are being taught by teachers who are prepared to stoop this low? If they had any conscience they would hand back the cup. Hiding behind "Health and Safety" is just shameful.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Clubber Lang on May 30, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
I cannot believe the attitude of the principal in all this. They have truly embarrassed themselves, the school and the local community. I am fully supportive of schools fielding second teams as I think every child should have an opportunity to play/participate in school sports. For some children it is the only chance they will ever get to play on a team and will provide them with some happy memories going forward. However, if the school needed some 'first team' players to make up the numbers to make this second team doable then let the opposition school know what you are doing and concede the games beforehand to the other school. I know of schools who have done this in the CnamB-the children don't need to know the agreement that is in place. I really feel sorry for the other school in all this-even if the result is overturned they have missed out on potentially winning a final in O'Moore Park. I wouldn't be surprised if 'first team' children were played in the group games as well, depriving another school of a chance to play in the final. The whole situation is a mess by the sounds of things. 
   
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 30, 2017, 07:51:18 PM
Looks very bad! Presume they had to submit a team list with full names on the day (not talking about the programme)
Presume they also had to name an A panel at the start of the year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 30, 2017, 09:08:20 PM
Maybe they now might close the loophole and introduce a simple system whereby A and B squads are declared at the start and can't move.

This also needs to be done at u12 level in the county where you have certain clubs shuttling players up and down the division's the closer they get to a semifinal or final.

Every other serious gaa county has a squad system in place,them again this is Laois.......
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 30, 2017, 11:59:00 PM
This story is incredible.

I genuinely feel for all the kids here. Those 'A' players from Castletown were obviously instructed and coached to lie to the referees and officials. If my daughter's school asked her to do the same I'd have them enrolled somewhere else within days. Absolutely disgraceful.

Is it true that there is an EGM tomorrow? If so, I presume all schools can send representation? I know a couple of teachers who coach school teams but I'm not sure if they're part of the committee; I'm really hoping they will attend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 31, 2017, 12:09:22 AM
Also, perhaps as an aside.

I queried before why cumann na mbunscol weren't brought in under the GAA umbrella and a now retired teacher told me that there is a strong belief among teachers that they are the best people to arrange, organise and promote Gaelic games within our schools. I must say, the veracity of and insistence in his argument convinced me entirely and I would still say his general point probably holds true. I'm reasonably sure, as Rory Delaney alludes to, that this is very much a rare exception.
However, we see in this instance a naievity among the general cumann na mbunscol organisation (in Laois at least) where they seemed to assume that their 'ethos' and 'values' were strong enough that something like this would not happen. It seems their rule book is too open and needs to be addressed. Things like this shouldn't happen but when you leave the door ajar, you're always running the risk of someone smashing through.

Incidentally, is the lady in question the driving force behind these new Development Panels? The Tipperary lady?
I haven't heard much about them to be honest, positive or otherwise, but I would hope they're not structured and set up to in any way promote elitism and winning over skill development and general enjoyment and engagement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on May 31, 2017, 11:26:18 AM
Shame on the principal and adults involved with this school team.
How low do they have to stoop to get a win?  What about the lads on the B team who were pushed aside for the quest for glory?

Laois hurling struggles at the best of time and this carry on doesnt help the cause
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on May 31, 2017, 02:20:51 PM
Just on a side note regarding the Cumann na mBunscoil county panels. At U10 and U12 club GAA has moved towards raising participation and away from the winning a all costs attitude. This attitude is similar to that of CnaB.

However now we have an intercounty panel for CnaB players. Surely this is a step towards making all these games hugely competitive.

Are we casting the net too narrow at a very young age? I believe only 20-25 players are involved.
Is there not the possibility that 100-150 children could avail of  this organised coaching and up the standards throughout the county?

Not saying its a bad idea but it will not solve all our problems at underage.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on May 31, 2017, 08:20:31 PM
This is an absolute disgrace. How can the principal of Castletown school stoop so low
bringing both the school and local club into such deceitful behavior, shame on all involved. The parents and local club should do the right thing and demand that this is rectified.  Why should the people of Castletown have their good name and reputation dragged trough the mud by the low sneaky carry on of the School principal and chairperson of CNBS.
SHAME ON ALL INVOLVED.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 31, 2017, 09:53:03 PM
Vacancy for the chairperson of laois cnab as of today

Story now has national prominence with one of the journalists who broke the story being interviewed tomorrow evening
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 31, 2017, 11:29:06 PM
I'd agree with some players being brought up to buffer the smaller lads, but they should not have been allowed to win. The school could have conceded the game beforehand, or simply made substitutions when necessary.

It's not only in CnB that this happens though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/01/laois-cumann-na-mbunscol-chief-steps-following-controversy

Hopefully now someone will have the cop on to put in a motion to close the loophole which allows A squad members to shuttle up and down the divisions the closer you get to a semifinal and a final.

The penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
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The penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.

So, because of a few stupid decisions by a handful of adults, we should ban an entire school and club from providing hurling to 10-12 year old children? Would you get a grip of yourself, that's a stupid thing to say.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 10:55:06 AM
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The penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.

So, because of a few stupid decisions by a handful of adults, we should ban an entire school and club from providing hurling to 10-12 year old children? Would you get a grip of yourself, that's a stupid thing to say.

If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:09:42 AM
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The penalty should be immediate expulsion for the school from all CnaB activities for the year.

The same needs to be done at u12 level with the county board also.

So, because of a few stupid decisions by a handful of adults, we should ban an entire school and club from providing hurling to 10-12 year old children? Would you get a grip of yourself, that's a stupid thing to say.

If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?
Punishing innocent children is not the answer.

Public floggings is the answer.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: steven seagal on June 01, 2017, 11:12:59 AM
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If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?

What on earth are you talking about, this is the first time I have commented on this? Relax yourself and cut out that bullsh*te for a start.

In no circumstance, where a child has done nothing wrong, should a child suffer on the back of the stupidity of an adult. The Chairperson is gone, and rightly so. To extend that, perhaps a moratorium on anyone from the school holding a position on the county Cumann na mBunscol committee for the next 3 to 5 years, and the school should hand over the trophy, and let Knockmay have their own presentation. I don't see what more can or should be done.

Banning Cumann na mBunscol or U-12 club teams is utterly ridiculous and only serves your own interpretation of justice. It's not justice for the children in Castletown, they still deserve to play hurling.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on June 01, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
Expel them all
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If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?

What on earth are you talking about, this is the first time I have commented on this? Relax yourself and cut out that bullsh*te for a start.

In no circumstance, where a child has done nothing wrong, should a child suffer on the back of the stupidity of an adult. The Chairperson is gone, and rightly so. To extend that, perhaps a moratorium on anyone from the school holding a position on the county Cumann na mBunscol committee for the next 3 to 5 years, and the school should hand over the trophy, and let Knockmay have their own presentation. I don't see what more can or should be done.

Banning Cumann na mBunscol or U-12 club teams is utterly ridiculous and only serves your own interpretation of justice. It's not justice for the children in Castletown, they still deserve to play hurling.


Well done Seagal,

Cant believe someone would put forward banning kids from playing
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
Quote
If the sanction is that severe then they won't do it in the first place.

You seem to be more in favor of the transgressors than the victims,then again that seems to be a common stance with you

What sanctions would you come up?

What on earth are you talking about, this is the first time I have commented on this? Relax yourself and cut out that bullsh*te for a start.

In no circumstance, where a child has done nothing wrong, should a child suffer on the back of the stupidity of an adult. The Chairperson is gone, and rightly so. To extend that, perhaps a moratorium on anyone from the school holding a position on the county Cumann na mBunscol committee for the next 3 to 5 years, and the school should hand over the trophy, and let Knockmay have their own presentation. I don't see what more can or should be done.

Banning Cumann na mBunscol or U-12 club teams is utterly ridiculous and only serves your own interpretation of justice. It's not justice for the children in Castletown, they still deserve to play hurling.

yeah banning all teachers from an offending school from the CnaB committee  will wound them grievously all right and it wont stop them from doing it.

The actions of the Castletown mentors were a disgrace on so many different levels,they broke every principle of good coaching,underage Laois hurling has been dragged through the mud again barely a month after the incident with Clonaslee and we are a national laughing stock yet again.

bottom line,every other serious GAA county divides and submits its lists of players if they have more 1 team,get caught and you ll face very severe sanctions

As for your idea,that Castletown should hand over the Cup,you obviously missed the point

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 11:41:06 AM

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

They should still hand over the cup. The offered resignation of the Chairperson is evidence that they realise wrongdoing has occurred.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 11:52:50 AM

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

They should still hand over the cup. The offered resignation of the Chairperson is evidence that they realise wrongdoing has occurred.

It doesnt say it anywhere in the rules, thats the reality.

So if they want to keep it for the year,they will and given the principals attitude at the EGM,id be very surprised if they take the sporting approach and hand it back

The ideal scenario would be that Knockmay and the proper Castletown B side are allowed play for the trophy again and CnaB mgmt spend a few bob and make a big deal of both sides.

Bottom line,Juvenile Hurling is not fit for purpose in Laois at the minute

1.No refs to ref u12 games,player gets injured,when insurance looks for refs report,hows that going to work out
2.A shambolic CnaB rulebook which left the competition wide open to sharp practice and which now has national prominence
3.Similar situation in the u12 competition with players being shuttled up and down the divisions and no rule in place to prevent it
4.National prominence given to bad behaviour






 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 12:03:37 PM

They haven't broken any rules because there was no rule and/or sanction with regard to this in the first place.

They should still hand over the cup. The offered resignation of the Chairperson is evidence that they realise wrongdoing has occurred.

It doesnt say it anywhere in the rules, thats the reality.

We're beyond that. The rules don't say that the Chairperson should step down. Yet she should. And she did.

They should return the cup. Quote all the rules you like.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 12:26:48 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.

good call

Spoke to someone from Tipp in the last half hour as regards what Castletown did.

squad Rules are in place there for both u12 and CnaB

Do it at any point before a final and your team is thrown out

Get caught after a final,you forfeit the game and the other team automatically wins

Do it twice in a season,you are turfed out with the ultimate sanction of a next season ban

simple and as clear as that
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.
Not sure replay is the answer at this stage. Its a mess. Just hand back the trophy and put it in the past. They've already fucked it up for everyone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 01, 2017, 12:55:35 PM
Yeh, I would replay it in front of a crowd and make a fuss of the kids. They are probably well aware of what is going on so it would redeem it somewhat for them. If I was that age and was offered the chance to play again i'd take it. Fair enough if Castletown win it so be it but by the sound of things Knockmay had beaten them earlier this year. As someone mentioned here it might mean a whole lot more to the kids of Knockmay school and keep an interest in hurling going.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 01:07:08 PM
Reply the game prior to the next senior match in O'Moore Park.
Not sure replay is the answer at this stage. Its a mess. Just hand back the trophy and put it in the past. They've already fucked it up for everyone.

No let both sets of kids play for it,the way they should have in the first place.

Throwing the cup from the boot of one car into another car some night,doesn't improve anything and is a pure gombeen approach.

Justice to both sets of kids should be done and more importantly be seen to be done
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on June 01, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
Yeh, I would replay it in front of a crowd and make a fuss of the kids. They are probably well aware of what is going on so it would redeem it somewhat for them. If I was that age and was offered the chance to play again i'd take it. Fair enough if Castletown win it so be it but by the sound of things Knockmay had beaten them earlier this year. As someone mentioned here it might mean a whole lot more to the kids of Knockmay school and keep an interest in hurling going.

This story has gone viral and doesn't help Laois's reputation or our promotion of hurling in the county.

Play it before Laois next hurling game make a big fuss and let the best team win....

The kids would want it that way!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 04:36:54 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.

But the parents and the kids won't forget it,that's the point.

If laois aren't at home,play it before a club game in OMP and treat both sets of kids afterwards

Bottom line the final should be replayed,because it's the right thing to do.

Sweeping it under the Carpet because it's "shameful" seems to be the Irish answer to everything.







Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.

But the parents and the kids won't forget it,that's the point.

If laois aren't at home,play it before a club game in OMP and treat both sets of kids afterwards

Bottom line the final should be replayed,because it's the right thing to do.

Sweeping it under the Carpet because it's "shameful" seems to be the Irish answer to everything.
No ones swept anything under the carpet. Its out in the open. The chairperson has been disciplined and resigned in disgrace, the school mocked, and the "win" is worthless. Lay off the "won't someone think of the children" approach there a bit, you're likely to give yourself an injury. You were the one who also said no rules were broken earlier.

And to top it all off, you now plan on waiting for a club championship game, so we're going further into the summer for this. f**k it, lets drag it out a bit more if we can shall we? Will be play it before the county final altogether?

Hand over the trophy and let the whole thing die. Its a cuntfuck of a situation, that is irredeemable.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: theskull1 on June 01, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
From an outsiders perspective.... I think its admirable the noise being made about this issue. I've heard of one or two instances up in Antrim at primary school aged indoor competitions where stronger A team players arrived on finals days to compete in lower division finals. There was a bit of grumbling but finding enough people to care enough to make some noise about it was a problem.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 01, 2017, 05:24:53 PM
From an outsiders perspective.... I think its admirable the noise being made about this issue. I've heard of one or two instances up in Antrim at primary school aged indoor competitions where stronger A team players arrived on finals days to compete in lower division finals. There was a bit of grumbling but finding enough people to care enough to make some noise about it was a problem.
Its a credit to the journalist in question, no doubt.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 06:01:56 PM
Sure, the next Laois hurling game could be next year!
My sentiments exactly. We'll have a qualifier, but there's no guarantee it'll be a home game. And people want to drag this out for another month? The kids will have it forgotten by that stage. Just hand over the trophy, its a shameful issue that should be put to bed.

But the parents and the kids won't forget it,that's the point.

If laois aren't at home,play it before a club game in OMP and treat both sets of kids afterwards

Bottom line the final should be replayed,because it's the right thing to do.

Sweeping it under the Carpet because it's "shameful" seems to be the Irish answer to everything.
No ones swept anything under the carpet. Its out in the open. The chairperson has been disciplined and resigned in disgrace, the school mocked, and the "win" is worthless. Lay off the "won't someone think of the children" approach there a bit, you're likely to give yourself an injury. You were the one who also said no rules were broken earlier.

And to top it all off, you now plan on waiting for a club championship game, so we're going further into the summer for this. f**k it, lets drag it out a bit more if we can shall we? Will be play it before the county final altogether?

Hand over the trophy and let the whole thing die. Its a cuntfuck of a situation, that is irredeemable.

You should have been a member of the clergy or a politican in the 1960's with that gombeen attitude.

shur move it along there lads,nothing to see,everyone forget about it and to hell with the consequences

Play the f**king thing tomorrow then,if your so worried about "our" reputation

Its never too late to do the right thing,but that would'nt exactly be our style

and we wonder why laois hurling doesn't progress and we are a complete laughing stock........
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
From an outsiders perspective.... I think its admirable the noise being made about this issue. I've heard of one or two instances up in Antrim at primary school aged indoor competitions where stronger A team players arrived on finals days to compete in lower division finals. There was a bit of grumbling but finding enough people to care enough to make some noise about it was a problem.

maybe the journo in question is like a lot of us,sick of the inept governance and amateur carry on of people that are charged to run and promote hurling in this county.

Fair play to him for having the integrity and backbone to highlight it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 01, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
oh and speaking about incompetence,

The lack of hurling referees has now reached "a crisis" according to the powers that be in an email today and there is a "likelihood" that hurling games at u14/16/minor might have to be postponed due to a lack of refs in the coming months.

at least mentors might have a bit of practice,having reffed all the u12 games might now be able to step up and do the older games as well.

laughable
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 01, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
I must say, I agree w/ Don on this. Get it over with. No need for this holier-than-thou rubbish.

The lack of referees in the county is FAR more serious. However, we've been able to get county board refs for some of our u12 games. Just because the county board ain't supplying them, doesn't mean they're not to be got.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Cruella De Vil on June 01, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Also agree with all of dons take on this, apart from the public floggings!!

Disgusting and brainless behaviour by a "thick", pure and simple, if you're  A team & 'A' players take part in division 1, what the f**k good would s div 8 final be to you or your 'A' players.
I'd imagine knockmay & similar schools with very little GAA background get it tough to promote the games, a win in anything would help no end keep interest with kids and parents alike.

As for them quoting rules or lack of broken rules etc., one further expresses the level of backward thickness involved. Should you need a watertight rule book for primary kids games?

What about a bit of integrity, common sense and intelligence, attributes you surely would expect to find in our principals and their staff.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on June 02, 2017, 05:44:25 PM
Castletown were completely wrong and the principal of the school who was also chairperson knew what she done was deceitful and displayed a complete disrespect for the children of her School and the opposing school. as a result of this she put her hands up and resigned in embarrassment.
How can she look at a cup in the school for the next year knowing it was won by cheating under her instruction is beggars belief. All of her Students know this, so the wright thing to do is hand back the cup and close the issue.
lets hope it is a lesson learned,keeping the cup is telling the school kids that it all right to cheat and win at all cost is more important than honesty. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 05, 2017, 04:14:18 PM
At the opposite end of the spectrum to that clown of a principal in Castletown

18 Pupils

2 teachers

A first class goalie in every sense of the word

Just goes to show what can be achieved with good people in charge

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/05/18-students-2-teachers-3-counties-incredible-story-ardough-ns-cumann-na-mbunscol-triumph/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The Rover on June 05, 2017, 05:07:22 PM
At the opposite end of the spectrum to that clown of a principal in Castletown

18 Pupils

2 teachers

A first class goalie in every sense of the word

Just goes to show what can be achieved with good people in charge

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/05/18-students-2-teachers-3-counties-incredible-story-ardough-ns-cumann-na-mbunscol-triumph/
what a wonderful story well done to all involved. this win was achieved by hard work and dedication. reading the story of the school and all involved would lift anyone's heart. an achievement that will never be forgot by all the students, parents, staff and mentors to me that is the true spirit of  cumann-na-mbunscol a very positive achievement after all the negatives from Castletown N.S.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 10, 2017, 04:49:03 PM
Our U14 hurlers face Dublin tomorrow morning at 11 in the Centre of Excellence. Should be a good test for this group of lads who have been going well. We may be short a few though.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 10, 2017, 07:33:21 PM
Tony Forristal Hurling Draw.
Group 1
Wexford, Galway, Clare, Cork.
Group 2
Kilkenny, Limerick, Laois
Group 3
Tipperary,  Waterford, Dublin
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 10, 2017, 10:51:03 PM
Tony Forristal Hurling Draw.
Group 1
Wexford, Galway, Clare, Cork.
Group 2
Kilkenny, Limerick, Laois
Group 3
Tipperary,  Waterford, Dublin

Interesting that Laois are the only team here that wouldn't be a considered a top team. Admirable ambition. Are they strong enough for it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 18, 2017, 07:05:17 AM
Good luck to Rosenallis who play Bunclody in the Div2 Feile Cup semi-final today. They are doing the county proud.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on June 18, 2017, 02:30:40 PM
Good luck to Rosenallis who play Bunclody in the Div2 Feile Cup semi-final today. They are doing the county proud.
And Park Ratheniska Timahoe too in Div 10.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 18, 2017, 10:23:24 PM
Congratulations to Rosenallis on winning the Feile Division 2. This is a great achievement and deserves applause.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on June 18, 2017, 10:35:39 PM
That club deserves serious praise. A template that should be repeated across the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on June 18, 2017, 10:41:33 PM
Congratulations to Rosenallis on winning the Feile Division 2. This is a great achievement and deserves applause.
The feile has been devalued somewhat since they reformed it a few years ago. But this was real deal in so far as they beat 2 Kilkenny Division 1 teams in the knockout stages. There are only 6 teams in Division 1 in Kilkenny which shows the scale of the achievement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on June 18, 2017, 10:47:42 PM
That club deserves serious praise. A template that should be repeated across the county.
You are right on that. One advantage Rosenallis has is that it is the only club in the parish which puts the club at the heart of the community. Everybody tends to sing from the same hymn sheet. Very few clubs have people as committed as Rosenallis and it shows in their teams. Ballyfin and Clonaslee are other clubs who could do well to emulate them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 18, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
Once again, hats off to the people of Rosenallis.
We could all learn from them.
The clubs surrounding them certainly could.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 19, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
Very impressive to see a Laois team win a premium hurling feile title and taking such scalps along the way. Div 2 is a serious level. Well done to Rosenallis.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 19, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Well done to Rosenallis,a club that does its juvenile business right.

Second year in a row that a Laois team has won div2 .
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 19, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
Well done to Rosenallis,a club that does its juvenile business right.

Second year in a row that a Laois team has won div2 .

Who won it last year?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on June 19, 2017, 01:04:49 PM
Well done to Rosenallis,a club that does its juvenile business right.

Second year in a row that a Laois team has won div2 .

Who won it last year?
Abbeyleix
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 21, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/06/19/round-eight-laois-teams-enjoy-glorious-feile-weekend/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 20, 2017, 10:47:28 AM
Tipp getting another 4 GDA's on top of their existing 8

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on July 22, 2017, 11:13:52 AM
After dwelling on laois performances since we exited all competitions in 2017 I have come to the following conclusions;
The Senior hurlers...
I think it was a reasonably good year overall. Maintaining division 1B status is crucial, topping the table in the round robin, beating Carlow in the qualifiers are good achievements for this team. Who knows if we hadn't so many injuries how close we would have got to Dublin.
Going forward as has already been said its crucial that Cahir Healy and Matthew Whelan stay on for another couple of years. We really need to strengthen the panel next year to and hopefully the likes of Joe Campion, Colm Stapleton, PJ Scully, Gearoid Burke and Eoin Reilly rejoin the panel. There are other guys like Robbie Phelan, Joe Geaney, Padraig Delaney and Ciaran Comerford  to name a few that should be encouraged to commit to the panel.
I reckon we are the tenth best team in Ireland at the moment, with Offaly in disarray coming11th. Offaly are likely to lose some of their best players over the next year or two as Shane Dooley, Joe Bergin and captain Sean Ryan at the end of their county careers.
The problem for laois is that their is too big a gap between us and the team at number 9 which is probably Dublin. There has been a lot of talk about bridging the gap over the past few years but no action actually doing something about it.

While the are some encouraging signs coming from some underage teams there are not enough encouraging signs. The minors surprised a lot of people this year and really can be proud of their efforts, running Dublin to 3 points was fair going and this is where we need to get to with all our underage teams. We need to be at least competitive and then results will follow here and there. The under 14s have shown promise but against who? Its only in the Tony forrestal competitions that you really see where these lads are at.

So what can be done??
We can and should constantly be begging croke park for support and when they don't give it go to national media to complain about them and show them up, for example, the huge quantities of money being pumped into development in Dublin where financially they are already mega rich is a disgrace. Almost every club in Dublin have full time GDO's and have state of the art facilities. Its obvious that the GAA will do all they can to support Dublin while the weaker counties are struggling to stay a float. We might not have any success in our pleading but its worth fighting for.
Outside croke parks help its up to our Co board to put structures in place that will give us a better chance of success in the future, we will never improve enough to win anything unless a strategic plan is in place and implemented in the best possible way.
What should our Co board do??
1) Hire a full time director of hurling
Who? Cheddar Plunkett - This man has already proved to everybody how good an organizer he is, how intelligent he is and he has shown an incredible passion for the game and above all for his county. Cheddar should be given full support from the county board to carry out his agenda
What should Cheddar do?
- Put a plan together for the future of laois hurling incorporating every aspect of the game in terms of development of players, supporters clubs, fundraising, urban involvement, referees, club development etc
- Put a trusted team (committee) of people in place that he can delegate different jobs to, intelligent passionate laois hurling people like, Pat Critchley, Niall Rigney, Paul Cuddy, John O Sullivan, Enda Lyons, Andy Dunne, Brian Stapleton, Brian Campion, Tommy Fitzgerald etc (There are good people in every club)
Clubs should nominate people they feel would have something to add and those people would be interviewed by Cheddar to assess their suitability, commitment and passion for the job. The difficult part is to get these good people involved as they would be voluntary positions, however with Cheddars persuasive ways and something worthwhile id be confident a good team of men could be assembled for the job.
- Regionalize and expand the setanta and chuchullian programmes, possibly dividing up the county in 4 even zones, supervised buses should be ran to bring players to and from the camps. This would encourage more involvement. Each zone would have a GDO(ideally full time) reporting to Cheddar weekly or bi-weekly. Cheddar would assess each zone on how they are working and how they could be improved, giving assistance to the GDO's as much as possible.
- A Laois hurling school of excellence focused at elite players from the ages of 13 -17 should be formed with individual plans divised for each player to work on their weaknesses, each player should be monitored closely between the ages of 13 - 17. The management teams would be interviewed and hired by cheddar and his committee. All members of management teams should have completed level two coaching course (County level coaching certificate)
- A plan for primary and post primary schools drawn up and implemented, focused on involvement from all primary schools across Laois with weekly coaching sessions from the regional GDO. The GDO's should also be involved in post primary schools hurling and help in preparation of the teams along with the school teachers for their respective competitions.
- Cheddar, his committee and the GDO's should help all clubs across the county to implement their own hurling structures at club level and try to raise the standard to hurling at all levels in the county.

Its time to put pressure on our Co board to do something now before we are so far back that we can never "bridge the gap". It needs to be done and it needs to be done soon!!

These are just some of the ideas that I have, I haven't put that much thought into it so don't jump down my throat!!
I feel my plans are realistic even without financial support from croke park,  Offaly managed to hire a full time director of hurling(who has since resigned). We already have two hurling GDO's but we really need at least two more.
Im sure there are people out there with other good ideas and id be interested to hear them...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 22, 2017, 09:32:34 PM
Good post Tobias.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 22, 2017, 10:05:51 PM
Good post Tobias.
First thing IMO would be to get some hurling men into key county board positions. At the moment the Chair, Sec & Treasurer are all from exclusive football clubs.
Hurling clubs need to organise and get good people into key positions.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Kilkevan on July 22, 2017, 10:51:42 PM
After dwelling on laois performances since we exited all competitions in 2017 I have come to the following conclusions;
The Senior hurlers...
I think it was a reasonably good year overall. Maintaining division 1B status is crucial, topping the table in the round robin, beating Carlow in the qualifiers are good achievements for this team. Who knows if we hadn't so many injuries how close we would have got to Dublin.
Going forward as has already been said its crucial that Cahir Healy and Matthew Whelan stay on for another couple of years. We really need to strengthen the panel next year to and hopefully the likes of Joe Campion, Colm Stapleton, PJ Scully, Gearoid Burke and Eoin Reilly rejoin the panel. There are other guys like Robbie Phelan, Joe Geaney, Padraig Delaney and Ciaran Comerford  to name a few that should be encouraged to commit to the panel.
I reckon we are the tenth best team in Ireland at the moment, with Offaly in disarray coming11th. Offaly are likely to lose some of their best players over the next year or two as Shane Dooley, Joe Bergin and captain Sean Ryan at the end of their county careers.
The problem for laois is that their is too big a gap between us and the team at number 9 which is probably Dublin. There has been a lot of talk about bridging the gap over the past few years but no action actually doing something about it.

While the are some encouraging signs coming from some underage teams there are not enough encouraging signs. The minors surprised a lot of people this year and really can be proud of their efforts, running Dublin to 3 points was fair going and this is where we need to get to with all our underage teams. We need to be at least competitive and then results will follow here and there. The under 14s have shown promise but against who? Its only in the Tony forrestal competitions that you really see where these lads are at.

So what can be done??
We can and should constantly be begging croke park for support and when they don't give it go to national media to complain about them and show them up, for example, the huge quantities of money being pumped into development in Dublin where financially they are already mega rich is a disgrace. Almost every club in Dublin have full time GDO's and have state of the art facilities. Its obvious that the GAA will do all they can to support Dublin while the weaker counties are struggling to stay a float. We might not have any success in our pleading but its worth fighting for.
Outside croke parks help its up to our Co board to put structures in place that will give us a better chance of success in the future, we will never improve enough to win anything unless a strategic plan is in place and implemented in the best possible way.
What should our Co board do??
1) Hire a full time director of hurling
Who? Cheddar Plunkett - This man has already proved to everybody how good an organizer he is, how intelligent he is and he has shown an incredible passion for the game and above all for his county. Cheddar should be given full support from the county board to carry out his agenda
What should Cheddar do?
- Put a plan together for the future of laois hurling incorporating every aspect of the game in terms of development of players, supporters clubs, fundraising, urban involvement, referees, club development etc
- Put a trusted team (committee) of people in place that he can delegate different jobs to, intelligent passionate laois hurling people like, Pat Critchley, Niall Rigney, Paul Cuddy, John O Sullivan, Enda Lyons, Andy Dunne, Brian Stapleton, Brian Campion, Tommy Fitzgerald etc (There are good people in every club)
Clubs should nominate people they feel would have something to add and those people would be interviewed by Cheddar to assess their suitability, commitment and passion for the job. The difficult part is to get these good people involved as they would be voluntary positions, however with Cheddars persuasive ways and something worthwhile id be confident a good team of men could be assembled for the job.
- Regionalize and expand the setanta and chuchullian programmes, possibly dividing up the county in 4 even zones, supervised buses should be ran to bring players to and from the camps. This would encourage more involvement. Each zone would have a GDO(ideally full time) reporting to Cheddar weekly or bi-weekly. Cheddar would assess each zone on how they are working and how they could be improved, giving assistance to the GDO's as much as possible.
- A Laois hurling school of excellence focused at elite players from the ages of 13 -17 should be formed with individual plans divised for each player to work on their weaknesses, each player should be monitored closely between the ages of 13 - 17. The management teams would be interviewed and hired by cheddar and his committee. All members of management teams should have completed level two coaching course (County level coaching certificate)
- A plan for primary and post primary schools drawn up and implemented, focused on involvement from all primary schools across Laois with weekly coaching sessions from the regional GDO. The GDO's should also be involved in post primary schools hurling and help in preparation of the teams along with the school teachers for their respective competitions.
- Cheddar, his committee and the GDO's should help all clubs across the county to implement their own hurling structures at club level and try to raise the standard to hurling at all levels in the county.

Its time to put pressure on our Co board to do something now before we are so far back that we can never "bridge the gap". It needs to be done and it needs to be done soon!!

These are just some of the ideas that I have, I haven't put that much thought into it so don't jump down my throat!!
I feel my plans are realistic even without financial support from croke park,  Offaly managed to hire a full time director of hurling(who has since resigned). We already have two hurling GDO's but we really need at least two more.
Im sure there are people out there with other good ideas and id be interested to hear them...

I've no expertise on Laois hurling but I found your post excellent. The GAA is really letting hurling down in its mad pursuit of a great Dublin hurling team. I don't agree with, but can understand, the money which is being pumped into Dublin football as, although it has some claim to being a dual county, Dublin really is a football area both in terms of the priorities of most players and also supporters. The Midlands used to have a lot to offer hurling, not just Offaly, but the GAA is in big danger of losing this altogether. I honestly believe more funding has to go into Laois, Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow to maximise the development in those counties. Hurling in Carlow for example has come on quite a bit over the years, true also of Westmeath. These counties are also naturally placed in areas where hurling has scope to seriously develop. First of all, they're all reasonably close enough to each other to develop strong and healthy rivalries if they can attain the first step, which would be to be solid 1B teams. The next stage would be to see which can then push on to potentially become 1A teams. If this could be achieved then the opportunity for developing support would be there. Laois borders Tipp and Kilkenny, Offaly Tipp and Galway, Carlow Wexford and Kilkenny. Enjoyment of the game is paramount in creating a solid support base but the second thing is local rivalry and the opportunity to get one over your neighbours. I know that the second stage is probably a minimum of ten to fifteen years away but the first stage is almost there and can be solidified if the GAA treats these counties with respect and backs them properly. Your point about raising the issue of the GAA not backing ye in the paper is a good one. Realistically, as Laois hurling is not big name at the moment, as a county in your own right you're probably going to get the Laois Nationalist to do the most listening to ye. I would wonder whether discussing your problems with Carlow, Westmeath and Offaly, possibly even Antrim might go some way to creating more noise and the kind of interest from national media that ye would need in the long run. What the GAA is doing with Dublin hurling is scandalous, especially when it is to the detriment of counties who have a long established history of the sport.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on July 28, 2017, 12:08:44 PM
Gutting news that Mark Kavanagh has done the cruciate again.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on August 01, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
I honestly believe more funding has to go into Laois, Offaly, Westmeath and Carlow to maximise the development in those counties.

Carlow, Westmeath and Offaly, possibly even Antrim

Agreed. The problem is that those five counties have a max offering of about 1,000,000 people. If you take out the protestant element of Antrim, you're probably down to 700,000. Dublin, regardless of other pursuits, has a population of 1.3m or so. That's one hell of a captive audience for one county.

If Laois is successful, then the other 615,000 people in OY, WH, CW & Antrim lose interest. The GAA has spun this out now and won't stop until Dublin win 5/6/7 AI football titles in a row.

Thank God the sanctity of hurling has been preserved from the financial doping that has been going on in favour of our capital.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 02, 2017, 01:13:10 PM
Thank God the sanctity of hurling has been preserved from the financial doping that has been going on in favour of our capital.

Unfortunately not. It is just a matter of time. The hurling populations and investment in Dublin is obscene, they just haven't had the rewards yet but it will come in time. At some point they will produce 20 hurlers at the same time that are good enough and it will all happen after that.

The sad thing is that a fraction of the investment in the counties referenced above would create multiple counties that can become competitive. The reality is that the playing populations and investment in these counties is really small compared to the dominant counties. Contrast Tipp, KK, Cork, Waterford, Clare, Limerick, Galway in terms of numbers and money with Laois etc. Offaly to their credit and to a lesser extent Wexford are the only teams ever to break the mold and become genuine contenders, mainly driven by crops of very talented players coming at the same time.

Cheddar recognized that in Laois, we need investment to get way more lads hurling in the county to increase the chances of producing crops of players that can compete at the highest levels. To put it in context, Tipp produce about 2-4 top class new hurlers every year despite their size. In reality, we produce one every 3 or 4 years that would be considered really top class (likes of Cha, Zane, Joe Fitz, Niall Rigney, James Young, John Taylor etc). We have improved to be fair and are probably the best of the Tier 2 counties but still have a massive bridge to gap.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 17, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/17/laois-gaa-appoint-new-games-development-officer/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 17, 2017, 08:38:44 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/17/laois-gaa-appoint-new-games-development-officer/

Anyone know anything about him? Is of a mainly hurling or football background?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on August 17, 2017, 09:23:54 PM
Great news. Fairly sure hes from a hurling background and well regarded in Wexford.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 17, 2017, 10:53:06 PM
Tipp Man

Played football with Ardfinnan and hurling with Cummins in Ballybacon Grange
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 18, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
What's going on in Timahoe?
Abbeyleix beat them by 10 points tonight.
To put it into context- Castletown beat Abbeyleix by 19 points in the last round! And The Harps beat Castletown by 5 points comfortably in the first round!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 19, 2017, 12:18:10 AM
What's going on in Timahoe?
Abbeyleix beat them by 10 points tonight.
To put it into context- Castletown beat Abbeyleix by 19 points in the last round! And The Harps beat Castletown by 5 points comfortably in the first round!

It appears hurling is on its last legs there

Sad to see
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 21, 2017, 05:44:02 PM
Fixtures for Laois underage hurlers next weekend. Good to see the U15's bringing two teams and the U14's up against KK and Limerick.


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/)

Arrabawn Co-op U-16 Hurling ‘B’ Tournament
Meath v Laois in Dunesk, 10.30am
Limerick v Laois in Cahir, 12noon
Kerry v Laois in Dunesk, 1.30pm
Semi Finals in Cahir, 3.15pm
Final in Clonmel at 5pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 1
Laois v Kilkenny in Ferns at 11.30am
Laois v Offaly in Ferns at 12.30pm
Semi Finals in Ferns at 1.30pm
Final in Ferns at 2.30pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 3
All group games in Marshallstown in Wexford
Laois v Kildare at 10.30am
Laois v Wicklow at 12.10pm
Laois v Westmeath at 1pm
Laois v Meath at 1.50pm
Final in Ferns at 3.15pm

Tony Forrestal U-14 Hurling Tournament
Group games and semi-final in Mount Sion
Kilkenny v Laois at 12.30pm
Limerick v Laois at 2.10pm
Semi Finals at 3.50pm
Final in Walsh Park at 6.45pm

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 22, 2017, 01:25:13 PM
Fixtures for Laois underage hurlers next weekend. Good to see the U15's bringing two teams and the U14's up against KK and Limerick.


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/)

Arrabawn Co-op U-16 Hurling ‘B’ Tournament
Meath v Laois in Dunesk, 10.30am
Limerick v Laois in Cahir, 12noon
Kerry v Laois in Dunesk, 1.30pm
Semi Finals in Cahir, 3.15pm
Final in Clonmel at 5pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 1
Laois v Kilkenny in Ferns at 11.30am
Laois v Offaly in Ferns at 12.30pm
Semi Finals in Ferns at 1.30pm
Final in Ferns at 2.30pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 3
All group games in Marshallstown in Wexford
Laois v Kildare at 10.30am
Laois v Wicklow at 12.10pm
Laois v Westmeath at 1pm
Laois v Meath at 1.50pm
Final in Ferns at 3.15pm

Tony Forrestal U-14 Hurling Tournament
Group games and semi-final in Mount Sion
Kilkenny v Laois at 12.30pm
Limerick v Laois at 2.10pm
Semi Finals at 3.50pm
Final in Walsh Park at 6.45pm

The 2 teams playing in A competitions will provide good insights into where we are. These are prestigious competitions. Pity to see the U-16s playing in the B Arrabawn. Surprised to see Limerick there.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 22, 2017, 04:03:14 PM
Fixtures for Laois underage hurlers next weekend. Good to see the U15's bringing two teams and the U14's up against KK and Limerick.


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/21/laois-gaa-fixtures-next-week-8/)

Arrabawn Co-op U-16 Hurling ‘B’ Tournament
Meath v Laois in Dunesk, 10.30am
Limerick v Laois in Cahir, 12noon
Kerry v Laois in Dunesk, 1.30pm
Semi Finals in Cahir, 3.15pm
Final in Clonmel at 5pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 1
Laois v Kilkenny in Ferns at 11.30am
Laois v Offaly in Ferns at 12.30pm
Semi Finals in Ferns at 1.30pm
Final in Ferns at 2.30pm

Michael Foley U-15 Hurling Tournament Division 3
All group games in Marshallstown in Wexford
Laois v Kildare at 10.30am
Laois v Wicklow at 12.10pm
Laois v Westmeath at 1pm
Laois v Meath at 1.50pm
Final in Ferns at 3.15pm

Tony Forrestal U-14 Hurling Tournament
Group games and semi-final in Mount Sion
Kilkenny v Laois at 12.30pm
Limerick v Laois at 2.10pm
Semi Finals at 3.50pm
Final in Walsh Park at 6.45pm

The 2 teams playing in A competitions will provide good insights into where we are. These are prestigious competitions. Pity to see the U-16s playing in the B Arrabawn. Surprised to see Limerick there.

I would imagine Limerick have entered two teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 22, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Yeh, Limerick are competing in A also.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on August 26, 2017, 04:45:20 AM
Important day today. We need to start competing well in these competitions. The opposition will be tough at all grades but this is where you find out what we really have, all the previous results are irrelevant. Hoping the U14s can at least be competitive and the under 16s should be winning games in their group although Limericks second team wont be simple.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 01:06:33 PM
U16 B Gr 1 Rd 2 results
Cahir
Limerick 0.07 Laois 3.10
Duneske
Meath 3.11 Kerry 1.15 U16B group 3 Round 2 Result Clare 4-10 Carlow 1-08
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 01:07:33 PM
U16 B Gr 1 Rd1 Duneske
Meath 2:06 Laois 6:12
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 01:09:34 PM
MichaelFoley U15 Cup in Wexford.

 Laois 4-10 Kilkenny South 1-5
Laois B 1-15 Kildare B 0-1.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SCFC on August 26, 2017, 02:02:29 PM
Good results so far anyway.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on August 26, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
Heard Laois under 14s beat Kilkenny by a point in Tony Forristal. Some win if that was against whole Kilkenny county!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 26, 2017, 05:00:26 PM
Heard Laois under 14s beat Kilkenny by a point in Tony Forristal. Some win if that was against whole Kilkenny county!
It was, and they beat Limerick after to qualify for semi final.

The lead Tipp by a point in semi final at half time only to run out of gas in second half to lose 2-10 to 0-7.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 08:57:12 PM
Tipp bet galway in the final by 4 points
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Helix on August 26, 2017, 09:19:43 PM
Tipp bet galway in the final by 4 points

A step in the right direction. Hopefully the development continues on par with the likes of Kilkenny. We need to eliminate this fear of them at underage level and beyond.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 26, 2017, 10:30:28 PM
Heard Laois under 14s beat Kilkenny by a point in Tony Forristal. Some win if that was against whole Kilkenny county!
It was, and they beat Limerick after to qualify for semi final.

The lead Tipp by a point in semi final at half time only to run out of gas in second half to lose 2-10 to 0-7.

Beating Limerick and Kk at A level in this competition is the most impressive underage result I have ever seen from a Laois team. We have always been fine in B competitions. Well done to the young lads and their coaches. Anyone know who is in charge?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2017, 10:45:08 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/26/laois-u-14-hurlers-reach-forristal-cup-semi-finals-following-wins-kilkenny-limerick/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 26, 2017, 10:52:40 PM
Management team is Liam Dunne from C/B, Ollie Quinlan of B/K, Seamus Dooley of Rosenallis and Ciaran Muldowney.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on August 27, 2017, 11:48:17 AM
Absolutely delighted for the U14s. The challenge now is to develop and bring them on over the next few years. 3 good club men involved; all with sons on the team who look like great prospects.

Credit also to the U15s who competed well in the A competition. Adding a couple of players from the 14 panel should boost them further.

It's heartening to see positive results like these. We now must change these from exceptions to something more akin to the norm. There are a good bunch of players coming behind at U13 grade so now is the time to drive on. If we have coaches out there who can come in and work with our Development Squads then I hope they put their hands up.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unison on August 27, 2017, 07:04:58 PM
Was the Kilkenny u 14 team their A team? Great win if it was.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on August 27, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
U14s beat both Kilkenny and Limerick A teams. Kilkenny were coached by DJ Carey.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on August 27, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
Wow! That's excellent. Let's hope they can keep together and aren't lost to the game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on August 28, 2017, 10:31:00 AM
Ive mentioned in previous posts but its now more than ever that a concentrated effort to improve the resources, training facilities, strength and conditioning, top end hurling sessions and a streamlined pathway for all development squads to follow up to under 17 level needs to be brought in and implemented. We obviously have something to work with here and these players need to be shown that this is worth hanging onto. It would be a shame to let them fall away at this stage.

Its been very encouraging from the development squads this year and the minors proved that they can mix it too (bar the kk game). It bodes well but I would just love to see an ambitious plan for laois hurling being drawn up and followed through.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 28, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
To put in perspective the task we face and the achievement of our lads, our panel of 24 on Saturday was drawn from just 10 clubs. Kilkenny in contrast picked from 18 clubs, Galway and Tipperary from 16. Each Laois club is having to provide multiple county standard players in comparison with our more successful neighbours at all grades which is a big ask. Only by improving our coaching in the clubs will we achieve anything long term. I hope the initiative to get more people involved at county level and get a strength and conditioning programme up and running (there is none at the moment) works out, but we need to get this into the clubs as well to provide the players to the county. Our u14s basically ran out of steam in the end and this is no discredit to them. We had Tipperary seriously worried with ten minutes to go. When's the last time we could say the likes of that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 10:03:24 AM
Lads we need to broaden the base of clubs supplying hurlers to these development squads,while we will never have the spread of a Tipp or Cork,1 or 2 more clubs would be a welcome addition.

I had an interesting chat with the father of a Tipp u16 yesterday,who is strongly of the opinion that these tournaments need to be played over a weekend (overnight squad stays and other costs might be an issue) or on consecutive Saturdays,his own lad played 5 games on Saturday and wasn't able to fall out of bed on Sunday.

This would also help the likes of Laois drawing from a smaller pool of players,Tipp were under serious pressure up until the last 10 mins in the 14 semi,when their greater strength in depth saw them home.

The Management and back up team deserve huge plaudits for their efforts


http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/267709/historic-wins-for-laois-underage-hurling-teams-in-tony-forrestal-tournaments.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on August 31, 2017, 10:42:48 AM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

Mountrath has one player on it. That club has also seriously underperformed when it comes to supplying inter-county players.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on August 31, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

Mountrath has one player on it. That club has also seriously underperformed when it comes to supplying inter-county players.
Correct Gio

strike rate not good enough for the town
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 31, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

This is the single most important job of the new hurling development head in Laois. Hurling is dead in Portlaoise. They don't feature at schools level, underage level and their senior (intermediate) team is a long way from what it was 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 12:53:23 PM
If we're talking about getting a wider spread of players, you'd have to wonder why Portlaoise are not able to produce a single player capable of getting on the u-14 hurling squad???

Mountrath has one player on it. That club has also seriously underperformed when it comes to supplying inter-county players.
Correct Gio

strike rate not good enough for the town

A special hurling development plan needs to be put into place in  Portlaoise Parish and then acted upon,whether we like it or not,it has more than a quarter of the county population.

anything up to 70% of the boys in the parish primary schools arent playing the game in any shape or form.

I see Pat Critchley is retired from the Convent,Im sure it wouldnt take a lot in terms of finance or cajoling to appoint him to be Portlaoise Parish Primary School hurling Czar and put structures in place.

Bring back the street leagues for starters.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
Correct Clonad regarding the difference playing over two days would make. AFAIK they used to be.

BTW is there any reason Laois (given our Geographic location) couldn't organise u14/16 tournaments of similar prestige?
You have the Fr Brown Avenue and Rathleague a few minutes away from each other. Each capable of holding 2/3 groups and also OMP for finals.
Laois would have a small advantage as the home team too.

Great work from the 14s. Well done.

On the towns issue, Portlaoise with no u14 county player is shocking. But there's the world of difference between being appalled and engaging with the problem. And at the end of the day Portlaoise GAA are going to have to lead this engagement.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
Correct Clonad regarding the difference playing over two days would make. AFAIK they used to be.

BTW is there any reason Laois (given our Geographic location) couldn't organise u14/16 tournaments of similar prestige?
You have the Fr Brown Avenue and Rathleague a few minutes away from each other. Each capable of holding 2/3 groups and also OMP for finals.
Laois would have a small advantage as the home team too.


Great work from the 14s. Well done.

On the towns issue, Portlaoise with no u14 county player is shocking. But there's the world of difference between being appalled and engaging with the problem. And at the end of the day Portlaoise GAA are going to have to lead this engagement.

It would be a great idea in fairness to bid to host,say the u14 Forristal/Walsh competitions.

Waterford had the group stages in 4 club grounds and the final in Walsh Park,Im sure we could more than do this with grounds in easy reach of OMP and the Centre of Excellence
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: OTF on August 31, 2017, 01:43:55 PM
Is it not a problem for the wider GAA same as Dublin was on a smaller scale.
I've bought up this subject many times and no one it seems even want to discuss it.

We spent the whole of last winter discussing amalgamation and the problem rural clubs were having numbers wise, here we have serious numbers just waiting for someone to look after them.
Thats the issue WTF is looking after them. With the best will in the world one club couldn't look after those numbers.
The GAA at national level needs to act in regard to towns in a similar situation to Portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
Is it not a problem for the wider GAA same as Dublin was on a smaller scale.
I've bought up this subject many times and no one it seems even want to discuss it.

We spent the whole of last winter discussing amalgamation and the problem rural clubs were having numbers wise, here we have serious numbers just waiting for someone to look after them.
Thats the issue WTF is looking after them. With the best will in the world one club couldn't look after those numbers.
The GAA at national level needs to act in regard to towns in a similar situation to Portlaoise.

I don't think an excessive amount of Laois GAA funds should be allocated to schools in Portlaoise (not at the expense of other schools/clubs anyways).
I'm not saying that Laois GAA don't have a role to play, but the drive/initiative must come from Portlaoise GAA in my opinion.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 03:51:11 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 03:52:07 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 31, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
I couldn't see it costing a fortune.
You don't get fed etc at any of these tournaments.
A couple of hundred euros for referees, groundsmen etc. I'm sure it's the kind of thing that some semi national company would like to be associated with too.

I think the PR involved and the possible support, feel good factor and interest that would be created by a Laois team competing well (such as the U14s last weekend reaching a semi final) would be worth anything.
Imagine the support that group would have had at a semi final with word spreading on social media, whatsapp groups etc.
Maybe it is a stupid idea, but I think it could be a fantastic PR exercise in promoting a want to hurl with Laois, and a drive to be good enough to do so.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
I couldn't see it costing a fortune.
You don't get fed etc at any of these tournaments.
A couple of hundred euros for referees, groundsmen etc. I'm sure it's the kind of thing that some semi national company would like to be associated with too.

I think the PR involved and the possible support, feel good factor and interest that would be created by a Laois team competing well (such as the U14s last weekend reaching a semi final) would be worth anything.
Imagine the support that group would have had at a semi final with word spreading on social media, whatsapp groups etc.
Maybe it is a stupid idea, but I think it could be a fantastic PR exercise in promoting a want to hurl with Laois, and a drive to be good enough to do so.

My thoughts exactly

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 31, 2017, 10:57:19 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on September 01, 2017, 12:07:46 AM
Interesting to hear Tommy Walsh talk about how they were beaten by Laois in the Arrabawn shield final back in the day. Amazing to think about the divergent fortunes of those two Arrabawn teams. It really shows how important it is to work consistently with these players over a long period of time.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 01, 2017, 07:38:45 AM
Exactly.  A lot of our great underage prospects seem to peter out, rather than drive on.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 04:14:39 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
You believe the Laois Development Squads are currently properly funded? They want for nothing?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
You believe the Laois Development Squads are currently properly funded? They want for nothing?

you obviously dont,so where are the deficiencies in the current development squads at u14,u15,u16,how would you address it and what would it cost?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 07:53:31 PM
The TF/SW are in memory of Waterford men, so it would probably be hard to get those. Similarly the Arrabawn was the Nenagh Co-op so again I can't imagine that will move.

No reason Laois couldn't find a weekend to run an U14 & u16. Or u13/15 next year.
Enough clubs around within a few minutes drive of Portlaoise to run both the same weekend and have both finals as a double header in OMP on the Sunday.

Highly unlikely you would get the same calibre of teams if you were to run a second u14/16 competition,the Forristal and Arrabawn are seen as the all ireland championships at this level,No harm in the CB breaking the habit of a lifetime and asking to host one of those competitions,ye never know what might happen.

Theres a gap in the market for an all ireland u15 competition as its currently a provincial competition.

You are not going to take over from these tournaments.
But there is no reason Laois couldn't start a tournament and build it up into the second most important weekend!
A one off hosting of either of the them isn't what I'd be aiming for.
Should we not spend our money better than hosting these tournaments?

go on then Don,enlighten us

what would an u15  championship over 1 day cost to run?.

Considering theres this crazy new business concept called Sponsorship knocking around,you might have heard of it.

It wouldn't do underage hurling in the county any harm,I'm sure if it was on,in OMP,Laois hurling people,mentors and juvenile players would head in to look at it and maybe take a good bit away from it also.

If we have local businesses wishing to invest in Laois hurling, it would be better to put it into the Development squads as opposed to spending it on hosting a tournaments when good ones already exist.

And shove your saracasm up your hoop.

What deficiencies exists then with regard to the current Laois development squad setup?
You believe the Laois Development Squads are currently properly funded? They want for nothing?
You

you obviously dont,so where are the deficiencies in the current development squads at u14,u15,u16,how would you address it and what would it cost?
You're making a straw man here for yourself, very poor form. You're the one wishing to hit up sponsors to host a tournament we don't need nor does anyone else. I maintain these sponsors, of which we have few enough are either already contributing, or if not could have their money better put to use than for your vanity project. Cheddar and Zoom would vomit at such a suggestion. Cheddar paid for an entire underage panel to go away for a bonding weekend, not to mention what he did with the senior panels week away. But go on, build your straw man, it'll be a blast.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 01, 2017, 09:26:56 PM
Don "deflect" Draper

You were asked a simple enough question and couldn't up with one original contribution of your own.

Everyone in Laois Hurling circles is well aware of the hefty financial contribution Seamus Plunkett made and makes towards the promotion of hurling in this county,as for making them vomit,I had a good chat with Pat in relation to this very topic in the past few days and as always anything to drive the game here would'nt be discounted.

Everyone here has you down as a mouthpiece with the odd smartarse comment,but little of substance to offer.

Keep proving us right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 02, 2017, 01:30:10 PM
Replying to your own reply, I'd say your hands were twitching as the sweat dropped from your brow as you wrote that. Quite coincidental that you were speaking to Pat, what a helpful development that was for your internet argument. Another straw man built and knocked down.

It's great to hear all our squads are well funded and need for nothing, I was speaking to 3 coaches* involved with our underage squads this morning  who guffawed loudly at that.

*internet straw man 101.

Let me know how you get on with that tournament anyway, I'd say it'll be the silver bullet to all our problems.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 08, 2017, 10:32:40 PM
Great to see Mountrath winning a hurling title. It might be an U12 b final but it has to start somewhere. Hopefully it continues.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 30, 2017, 04:49:35 PM
Special Congress votes to restructure All-Ireland SHC

http://www.hoganstand.com/Laois/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=276374&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 03, 2017, 07:26:18 PM
Good to see Clonaslee still keeping us entertained

Them pulling a fast one by playing Cian Conroy and he one of the standout performers at u14,comes back to bite them in the arse

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/03/clonaslee-st-manmans-claim-u-17-b-hurling-success-extra-time/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 04, 2017, 11:50:03 AM
Next years Tony Forristal squad coming together

95 attended trials

60 selected,playing Leinster League games in Kilcormac and Carlow this weekend.

Training weekly in the COE.

breakdown by clubs and players

Abbeyleix 7
Ballinakill 6
B/K 1
Camross 5
Castletown/Slieve Bloom 4
C/B 4
Mountrath 1
Na Fianna 1
Park 4
Portlaoise 5
R/E 5
RPG 5
Rosenallis 4
The Harps 10


14 Clubs represented


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 04, 2017, 02:41:40 PM
Great to hear that and good spread of clubs alright.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 04, 2017, 03:05:46 PM
Surprising return from BK?
Astonishing from The Harps.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 04, 2017, 03:08:36 PM
Only Clubs at u14 that dont have representatives on it are Clonaslee and Margey.

Results from the U13 development league might bear out why 10 lads from the harps are on it.

They have a strong bunch at that age and in young Dooley the best hurler in Laois at u13 at the minute
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 05, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
What would be great to see is Laois making some ground at U21 level. We've had decent enough minors over the past 4 or 5 years but  they have made no impression whatsoever at the higher grade. I understand it's not the be all but it's very important for step up to senior.

The younger grades like the U13's etc can be argued as being more important for the county but in saying that u6's right up are all important if we are going to have a more competitive senior county team in the future. I still think we need to look at the transition from minor to u21.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 05, 2017, 10:38:22 PM
Hard to see it happening w/ Galway now in the 'Leinster' championship...
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 18, 2017, 11:16:03 AM
Good to see Laois well represented on the shinty teams for the weekend. Five players involved.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2017, 12:13:45 PM
Next up for the 2018 Tony Forristal Squad

3 teams playing Wexford in ferns this coming Saturday

Won 5 of the 6 games they played v Carlow,Offaly and Westmeath last Saturday week.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 18, 2017, 01:06:58 PM
Who did they lose to?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 18, 2017, 03:50:25 PM
Offaly 1

Laois had 3 teams out,they haven't a discernable first,second and third team in place yet.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 19, 2017, 08:40:28 AM
That is encouraging. We need to expose as many young guys to elitism from this age (any younger is not  too young for elitism).
We will not compete with the better teams if our squads are evenly divided, but the hope is that we would have 20 guys able to compete at A level in Tony Forrestal 2018.
To follow up next year with another good team at 14 level would be very encouraging for the future of the game in the county.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 19, 2017, 09:20:39 AM
That is encouraging. We need to expose as many young guys to elitism from this age (any younger is not  too young for elitism).
We will not compete with the better teams if our squads are evenly divided, but the hope is that we would have 20 guys able to compete at A level in Tony Forrestal 2018.
To follow up next year with another good team at 14 level would be very encouraging for the future of the game in the county.

The squads are evenly divided so that the mentors will get to see all the players and give the 60 that are currently in place a decent crack of the whip before the squad is reduced to 50 after Christmas.

Wexford should be a step up for them this weekend as both carlow and Westmeath were very poor.

There's a base of 8/10 really decent hurlers in that squad already,but it's going to take a ton of work to get the squad up to last 4 level as many seem to lacking in the fundamentals of the game.


Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 19, 2017, 05:18:16 PM
Whatever about the limitations of the squad with the skill set it is very encouraging to have as many participants in the one age group and shows there is great interest and a desire for young lads to be involved in the county set up which is a very good thing. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 19, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
They are a little bit behind in comparison to last years crop skillwise,the ground can be made up with a lot of coaching,it would be great if we could have teams reaching the last 4 on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 23, 2017, 09:48:01 AM
How did the games in Wexford go over the weekend?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 23, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
How did the games in Wexford go over the weekend?
Called off on account of the weather.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2017, 10:46:22 AM
Put back to Saturday 04/11 as the Footballers are playing in Louth and Meath next weekend
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 23, 2017, 02:57:00 PM
The finals of the Laois U13 Competitions are that weekend.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 23, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
The finals of the Laois U13 Competitions are that weekend.

They are,and there's a fair chance that some u13's will have to play 2 finals in 2 days
Title: Re: The future of Laois Hurling
Post by: G@@ on October 24, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/24/laois-hurlers-play-ireland-qualifier-tier-2-final/

Quote
Camross delegate Mattie Collier said: “So just to clarify, you are saying that if Laois make the Tier 2 final, they have to play the All-Ireland Qualifier the week before?

“That’s ridiculous. You could be playing seven games in eight weeks so?

“You are just making a laughing stock of the whole thing so.

Brian Allen said: “They didn’t want us. There’s no point in saying otherwise because we are only kidding ourselves.

“It defeats the principle of creating this Tier 2 competition and giving it a prominent date.”

This is a farce and the way these fixtures are going to come flying down the tracks all adds up to a "get it over with and out of the way" attitude that is no different to that of the Christy Ring Cup.
Title: Re: The future of Laois Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2017, 09:25:17 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/10/24/laois-hurlers-play-ireland-qualifier-tier-2-final/

Quote
Camross delegate Mattie Collier said: “So just to clarify, you are saying that if Laois make the Tier 2 final, they have to play the All-Ireland Qualifier the week before?

“That’s ridiculous. You could be playing seven games in eight weeks so?

“You are just making a laughing stock of the whole thing so.

Brian Allen said: “They didn’t want us. There’s no point in saying otherwise because we are only kidding ourselves.

“It defeats the principle of creating this Tier 2 competition and giving it a prominent date.”

This is a farce and the way these fixtures are going to come flying down the tracks all adds up to a "get it over with and out of this world e way" attitude that is no different to that of the Christy Ring Cup.

The usual moaning out of the county board delegates after the deed was done,there wasn't much in the way of mobilizing support amongst other counties beforehand.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on October 24, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
I hear the hurlers are back doing a bit..
Its a bit crazy really but I guess they have to with the league starting in just over two Months. There is very little down time for lads on County panels to enjoy themselves. There is basically no time off anymore, most clubs have only just finished their seasons and they are back with the county. Lads still under21 or in college don't have any time off. Its tough going but I suppose the lads doing it love it and live for it.
I think we need to see a bit more from our management team in terms of a game plan and playing to our strengths, we were hammered in the league last year in some games that need not have been as bad if managed better imo.
Anyone know of any newcomers to the panel this year? Ive listed a 40 man panel that I would like to see battling for positions. I may have some obvious omissions that ive missed.
E Rowland, E Fleming, P Simms
C Healy(inj), D Palmer(inj), R Mullaney, L Bergin, E Killeen, M Whelan, L Cleere
G Burke, T Delaney, P Delaney, C Phelan, E Doyle, P Lawlor, C Collier, L Delaney
P Purcell, C Taylor, C Stapleton, J Campion, A Corby, J Ryan, P Whelan
C Dwyer, R King, P Maher(inj), M Kavanagh(inj), N Foyle, PJ Scully, B Conroy, W Dunphy,
R Phelan, S Phelan, A Bergin, C Comerford, A Dunphy, Z Keenan
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
I hear the hurlers are back doing a bit..
Its a bit crazy really but I guess they have to with the league starting in just over two Months. There is very little down time for lads on County panels to enjoy themselves. There is basically no time off anymore, most clubs have only just finished their seasons and they are back with the county. Lads still under21 or in college don't have any time off. Its tough going but I suppose the lads doing it love it and live for it.
I think we need to see a bit more from our management team in terms of a game plan and playing to our strengths, we were hammered in the league last year in some games that need not have been as bad if managed better imo.
Anyone know of any newcomers to the panel this year? Ive listed a 40 man panel that I would like to see battling for positions. I may have some obvious omissions that ive missed.
E Rowland, E Fleming, P Simms
C Healy(inj), D Palmer(inj), R Mullaney, L Bergin, E Killeen, M Whelan, L Cleere
G Burke, T Delaney, P Delaney, C Phelan, E Doyle, P Lawlor, C Collier, L Delaney
P Purcell, C Taylor, C Stapleton, J Campion, A Corby, J Ryan, P Whelan
C Dwyer, R King, P Maher(inj), M Kavanagh(inj), N Foyle, PJ Scully, B Conroy, W Dunphy,
R Phelan, S Phelan, A Bergin, C Comerford, A Dunphy, Z Keenan

It's going to be mental for the remainder of this year with the changes in the championship for next year

Survival in 1B and winning the "Tier 2" final should be the goals for 2018
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 24, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
I'd imagine they are in the gym for the winter working on physical conditioning. Eamonn Kelly hinted that it was a major reason we are losing games we should be competitive in. Not something that will come in one winter but a good start.

I hope he has the U21s with him.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 24, 2017, 07:31:27 PM
Sean Downey is one frrom last year that you omitted.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 24, 2017, 08:34:05 PM
Joe Phelan, Camross. Backs are more of a challenge than forwards.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 24, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
I see 3rd/4th class hurling and football blitzes in the offing for 2018 courtesy of Cumann Na mbunscoil and our GDA's.

The more we expose to our games,particularly in the likes of Portlaoise,at that age,the better.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 25, 2017, 08:56:10 PM
I'd imagine they are in the gym for the winter working on physical conditioning. Eamonn Kelly hinted that it was a major reason we are losing games we should be competitive in. Not something that will come in one winter but a good start.

I hope he has the U21s with him.

I also hoped that someone hinted at Eamon that he should get off his arse and react when other teams are dragging us all over the field and leaving acres of space in our back line (See Offaly in the league last year).
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 10, 2017, 11:32:31 AM
Laois U13's final training session,next monday,to resume in the new year
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on November 29, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
What's the story with inter county U21 hurling. Why has it not gone back to U20 like the football?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 13, 2017, 07:37:13 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/12/13/laois-cumann-na-mbunscol-hurling-panel-announced/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on December 15, 2017, 11:28:25 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/crime-and-courts/287448/youth-charged-with-assault-at-laois-gaa-hurling-match.html
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on December 21, 2017, 12:04:22 AM
Good win today for St. Fergal's senior hurlers who dug out a victory against Kilcormac 3:14 to 2:11 in the North Leinster C Colleges semi final. Fergal's were leading by seven points early in the second half but a Kilcormac rally put them in front by two. Fergal's regained the lead in the last ten minutes and held on for the win in what was a hard fought game.
     This means both Fergal's senior and junior teams have made it to the North Leinster finals as the junior team defeated Boyne CS last week. With only three hundred pupils, Fergal's are still punching above their weight.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on December 22, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Were they in B last year or the year before?

What clubs aside from Rathdowney would most of the students be from?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on December 23, 2017, 07:59:43 PM
Fergal's used to be in the Vocational Schools section but that has now been absorbed into the college's competition. Clough Ballacolla and Borris Kilcotton would be the main clubs feeding in alongside Rathdowney Errill with the odd lad from the Harps or Galmoy. We 'lose' players to Mountrath, Heywood, Johnstown and Templemore, all of which are much bigger schools.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 11, 2018, 09:23:18 AM
St Fergals play Rochfordbridge in the north Leinster C final today. Match is in Rathdowney at 12.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Best of luck to the St Fergals team. T'would be a great boost if they got the victory today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 11, 2018, 03:21:07 PM
A two point win for Fergal's in what was a very tight game all the way. A very strong, physical Rochfortbridge team were well matched by our lads who probably had the edge in hurling skills. It could have gone either way so it was great to see Fergal's close it out. Play was suspended for about half an hour with ten minutes to go when one of the Rochfortbridge midfielders sustained a neck injury and had to be stretchered off. Hopefully he will be ok. Fergal's were four points up at the time and looking good to close out the game but a goal just after the restart cut the lead to one. Fergal's replied with a quick point and held out in a nail biting finish. They now face the winners of the South Leinster final. Bagenalstown and Carnew face off tomorrow in the semi, with the winners playing Wellingtonbridge.
  St Fergal's junior team will travel to Rochfortbridge next week in the Junior North Leinster final and it would be brilliant to do the double.
All credit to Mr Conroy, Mr Dollard and Andrew Kavanagh for their work with these teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
Fair play Mentor for the review of the game and well done to St Fergals. Great to hear they won. Hopefully they can go ahead and win the Leinster.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 11, 2018, 04:22:37 PM
A two point win for Fergal's in what was a very tight game all the way. A very strong, physical Rochfortbridge team were well matched by our lads who probably had the edge in hurling skills. It could have gone either way so it was great to see Fergal's close it out. Play was suspended for about half an hour with ten minutes to go when one of the Rochfortbridge midfielders sustained a neck injury and had to be stretchered off. Hopefully he will be ok. Fergal's were four points up at the time and looking good to close out the game but a goal just after the restart cut the lead to one. Fergal's replied with a quick point and held out in a nail biting finish. They now face the winners of the South Leinster final. Bagenalstown and Carnew face off tomorrow in the semi, with the winners playing Wellingtonbridge.
  St Fergal's junior team will travel to Rochfortbridge next week in the Junior North Leinster final and it would be brilliant to do the double.
All credit to Mr Conroy, Mr Dollard and Andrew Kavanagh for their work with these teams.

Thanks Madmentor - who showed well for Fergals?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
Mad Mentor where does the SH 'B' stand at the moment. When are Mountrath CS out again? The masters fixtures list had games between first and second in the groups for Nov 24th bur cannot see any results. Games must have been postponed.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 20, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
St Fergal's beat Bridgetown VC of Wexford today to qualify for the Leinster Senior C Final against the Dublin champions ( St Mac Dara's CC, Templeogue I think). Having led 2-6 to 0-3 early on, the teams went in 2-6 to 1-7 at half time. Fergal's came out strong in the second half to win 4-11 to 1-9. Wasn't at the match personally so I can't comment on performances.
St. Fergal's junior team are due to play Rochfortbridge in the North Leinster Junior C final soon as well.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 23, 2018, 01:56:35 PM
It would be great to see them get up to B level. How many of that team will be there next year I wonder? I see a few of them on the minor panel. How's Thep Fitz getting on, he's a good prospect!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on February 23, 2018, 02:15:39 PM
http://www.laoisgaa.ie/news/10035656/Under_17_Hurling_Panel_confirmed
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 24, 2018, 09:10:14 AM
Fergals play St Declan's CBS of Dublin in the Leinster final on Monday in Hawksfield. There are a good few of the county minors (u17) on the team. Thep Fitz, Cillian Maher from Rathdowney Errill, Kevin Mulhall, Evan Hawkes and Mark Hennessey from Clough Ballacolla and Keelan Kelly from Borris Kilcotton. In addition, Cathal Dunne, Ben Delaney (C-B), Adam Loughman, Mick Shortt, Oisin Campion, Dylan Doyle, (R-E) have all been involved with Laois development squads and would probably have been on the minor panel this year if it had stayed at u18. Best wishes to the lads and Sean Conroy, Joe Dollard and Andrew Kavanagh who are managing them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 26, 2018, 04:37:31 PM
Any word on how the game went today?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 26, 2018, 04:44:11 PM
Great win for St Fergals today in the Leinster Hurling C Final - flying the flag for laois hurling. The St Declans team they faced today won the Dublin B division but got to play in the C Leinster final. Don't know why. They also had four players on the North Dublin team who defeated St Kierans in the A final. It looked ominous for Fergals after twenty minutes when they were seven points behind and were down to 14 men following a straight red card for Mick Shortt. Two pointed frees before half time by Chris Rafter brought the defecit to five at half time. With the wind behind them in the second half Fergals took them apart. Our lads had scored ten points to put them four up before St Declans got a point - their solitary score in the second half. A goal for Fergals sealed a fourteen point turn around in what was as good a display of all round teamwork as you will see anywhere. Clough-Ballacolla's Kevin Mulhall was awarded man of the match although I myself thought his fellow clubmate Diarmuid Conway deserved it more, but every one of the team hurled superbly. Final score St Fergals 1-16 St Declans 1-9.
All Ireland semi final coming up on Saturday against Seamount of Kinvara.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on February 26, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
Great news and well done to Fergals. Cheers for the report Mad Mentor.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 08, 2018, 10:01:50 PM
St Fergals face Seamount College of Galway in the All Ireland Colleges senior C hurling semi-final on Saturday. The match is at 2:30 in Kilmallock, Limerick. Best of luck to the lads and their coaches. Scariff Community College await the winners in the final set for the 24th.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on March 10, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
Feile na nGael
 
2 x Groups X 4
Group A​​​                          Group B
The Harps​​​                       Camross
CloughBallacolla​​              Castletown Slieve Bloom
Abbeyleix​​​                        Portlaoise
Park Ratheniska Timahoe​  Rathdowney Errill​​
 
Round 1 – Thurs 5 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 2 – Fri 6 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 3 – Sat 7 April (First Named Team at Home)
Semi Finals (A1 v B2 / A2 v B1) & Final – Sun 8 April – Venue tbc
(Nb Rule 6.21 will be applied in the event of teams finishing on same points)
 
Feile na nGael “B”
 
2 x Groups X 4
Group A​​​                          Group B
Na Fianna​​​                        Raheen Parish Gaels
Rosenallis​​​                        St Fintans Mountrath
Borris in Ossory Kilcotton​  Ballinakill
Clonasle St Manmans​​        St Pauls Portarlington
 
Round 1 – Thurs 5 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 2 – Fri 6 April (First Named Team at Home)
Round 3 – Sat 7 April (First Named Team at Home)
Semi Finals (A1 v B2 / A2 v B1) & Final – Sun 8 April – Venue tbc
(Nb Rule 6.21 will be applied in the event of teams finishing on same points)
 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 10, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
St Fergals have made it to the All Ireland final. In a rollercoaster of a game they overcame Seamount of Kinvara by three points 3-13 to 3-10. Seamount went on a scoring spree in the first half to run up a nine point lead but in the last ten minutes Fergals blitzed them with 1-4 to leave two points in it at the break. It took Fergals twenty minutes of the second half to close the gap and then another scoring spree put them nine points up. Two Seamount goals in quick succession in the last five minutes brought them right back into it but Fergals held out for the win. Several brilliant saves from Cathal Dunne in goal plus his booming puckouts landing on the 20metre line made him my man of the match, but Mark Hennessey, Thep Fitzpatrick and Ben Delaney were also very much to the fore. It was a great all-round team display and a deserved victory. Fergals do seem to like giving their supporters value for their money by letting teams get decent leads against them but so far they have been able to turn them around with ease. Hopefully they see off Scariff in a fortnights time to claim the title.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on March 10, 2018, 07:29:42 PM
Report from Laois Today:
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/03/10/brilliant-st-fergals-book-ireland-final-place/

I've got to say they are great for following Laois teams.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 08, 2018, 11:49:56 AM
How are Laois minors set up this year? Game against Wexford next Saturday before the football.

Have they a decent group of players who could do well?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 08, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
It'll be a tough year for the minors.

Better set-up than previous years but this wouldn't have been our strongest team at underage levels; teams in next couple of years should be more competitive.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 09, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
It'll be a tough year for the minors.

Better set-up than previous years but this wouldn't have been our strongest team at underage levels; teams in next couple of years should be more competitive.
How many years have we been saying that?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 09, 2018, 09:56:35 AM
It'll be a tough year for the minors.

Better set-up than previous years but this wouldn't have been our strongest team at underage levels; teams in next couple of years should be more competitive.
How many years have we been saying that?

Two?

We had high hopes for minor teams before that and we have high hopes for a couple down the line.

Obviously, I'm not suggesting we're going to steam-roll through Leinster or anything but in terms of having teams who have been consistently competitive at U14/15/16 A grades.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 09, 2018, 01:12:48 PM
The observation ties directly to performances in the various U14-U16 competitions.

We had a few good years and those were good teams. Then a couple of not so good teams that represent this year and last year's minors. In fairness, not a whole pile was expected of last years team and they did well enough until the KK hammering.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 09, 2018, 01:37:33 PM
Exactly. And better teams on paper don't reach their potential. It's all about the attitude brought by the players.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: on the hop on May 09, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
Looking at portlaoise recent performances and no minors starting, things not going well there. No camross either but good to see a few from smaller clubs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2018, 03:15:24 PM
Minor team for game against Wexford.

LAOIS TEAM: Locran Fitzpatrick (The Harps), Ben Shore (Castletown), Danny Brennan (Park-Ratheniska), Killian Kirwan (Mountrath); Keilan Kelly (Borris-Kilcotton), Conor Cosgrove (Rosenallis), Thep Fitzpatrick (Rathdowney-Errill); Fionan Mahoney (Abbeyleix), Fionn Holland (Clonad); Ciarán Byrne (Abbeyleix), Allan Connolly (Ballyfin), Tadhg Cuddy (Castletown); Mark Hennessy (Clough-Ballacolla), Cathal O’Shaughnessy (Ballinakill), Adam Kirwan (Trumera)


Surprising lack of players from the bigger amalgamated clubs like Rathdowney/Errill, C/B and B/K ( 3 in total). None from Portaloise or Camross as on the hop stated.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Zooming around on May 09, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
Minor team for game against Wexford.

LAOIS TEAM: Locran Fitzpatrick (The Harps), Ben Shore (Castletown), Danny Brennan (Park-Ratheniska), Killian Kirwan (Mountrath); Keilan Kelly (Borris-Kilcotton), Conor Cosgrove (Rosenallis), Thep Fitzpatrick (Rathdowney-Errill); Fionan Mahoney (Abbeyleix), Fionn Holland (Clonad); Ciarán Byrne (Abbeyleix), Allan Connolly (Ballyfin), Tadhg Cuddy (Castletown); Mark Hennessy (Clough-Ballacolla), Cathal O’Shaughnessy (Ballinakill), Adam Kirwan (Trumera)


Surprising lack of players from the bigger amalgamated clubs like Rathdowney/Errill, C/B and B/K ( 3 in total). None from Portaloise or Camross as on the hop stated.

The forwards look quite good but to be honest I'd be worried about the backs
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Gmac on May 09, 2018, 04:27:02 PM
No Portlaoise man on minor or senior hurling teams can’t be good for hurling in Laois
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 09, 2018, 04:32:49 PM
No Portlaoise man on minor or senior hurling teams can’t be good for hurling in Laois
Definitely not good for Portlaoise anyway, a hurling wasteland has been allowed take over our largest resource.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 09, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
The decline of Portlaoise hurling is pretty startling and really worrying for county prospects in the future. For many years they have been weak at all levels with rare exceptions. Moving the club to Rathleague and not having a presence in the heart of the town is damaging. Portlaoise were always such an important and competitive hurling club through the years. Not sure how much work is going into revitalizing it.

As for Camross, there is a bit of a trend in terms of representation on county teams....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 09, 2018, 04:48:41 PM
Hard to fathom really with the likes of Cheddar and Zoom from the town as well as plenty of other hurling men who gave their all in the blue and white, Rigney, Tommy Fitz, John Taylor. Are the street leagues stillbeing played?
Are the likes of Clonad benefitting from this problem in Portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 11, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
Top Oil North Leinster PP Sch Juv H “B” Final
Col Mhuire Mullingar 0-16 Mountrath CS 1-13 AET

Top Oil North Leinster PP Sch Juv H “C” Semi Final
St Fergal’s Rathdowney 5-24 Killina Pres SS 2-10

Schools results from yesterday. Massive win for Fergals and Mountrath have to go again. Anyone have any info?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 11, 2018, 01:07:38 PM
Knockbeg are in the south Leinster u14 C hurling final also

Knocked out Callan and Bridgetown from Wexford in the semifinal
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 11, 2018, 05:43:03 PM
In one way, this is depressing reading but at least  there is someone in charge who seems to be clear about what he's doing. From my point of view, he's hit a lot of nails on the head in this interview

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/05/11/minor-hurling-boss-lyons-wants-more-developments-officers-in-laois/
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 12, 2018, 11:08:27 PM
In one way, this is depressing reading but at least  there is someone in charge who seems to be clear about what he's doing. From my point of view, he's hit a lot of nails on the head in this interview

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/05/11/minor-hurling-boss-lyons-wants-more-developments-officers-in-laois/

We need more GDAs- yes.
On the other hand he was one of the main drivers of Ballyfin/Mountmellick joining up to hurl and now Camross/Ballyfin/Mountmellick joining up at some grades.
Definition of talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Good performance today by all accounts.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 13, 2018, 12:38:10 AM
I don't know the man at all or whether he pushed amalgamations in his own club. I am outside of the county and don't know a lot about the club scene.

There are certainly pros and cons to amalgamations and one of the biggest problems with it is that it tends to reduce the total number of players.

Whatever about the argument about amalgamations, judging by today's performance this management team certainly seems to know what it is doing. As someone said earlier, this might not be the most naturally talented bunch (although there are 3 or 4 really excellent players there again) but their workrate and aggression was absolutely top rate. The aggression probably cost them through frees conceded in the end but for me the entire group can go home feeling proud that they represented the county properly.

If there are really more talented lads coming through, would love to see what this management team can do with them.

Well done to all today.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 13, 2018, 01:50:38 AM
U14 Hurling yesterday Saturday
The A side beat Westmeath and 2 very poor teams in Kildare and Meath
The B team were beaten 3-09 to 1-09 by Westmeath and beat both Kildare and Meath.

Very little merit in playing the likes of Meath and Kildare when a club side in the county would give them more than enough of a game.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 13, 2018, 01:44:20 PM

There are certainly pros and cons to amalgamations and one of the biggest problems with it is that it tends to reduce the total number of players.



Whatever about the argument about amalgamations, judging by today's performance this management team certainly seems to know what it is doing.

Agree on both counts.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on May 14, 2018, 04:46:56 AM
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

My post from October 2015...I will re-post the same message in the hope of something happening one day although I don't think it ever will unfortunately!!

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
 I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on May 14, 2018, 04:51:55 AM
Above message posted in October 2015, I will re-post the same message every year in the hope that something might happen!!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 14, 2018, 09:30:16 AM
Above message posted in October 2015, I will re-post the same message every year in the hope that something might happen!!
Would you take it to the CB perhaps?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: The PRO on May 14, 2018, 11:44:25 AM
He's no longer chairman but Gerry Kavanagh's legacy to Laois hurling lives on and not in a good way. Cheddar must be sick this morning after all his work is now fully undone.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 14, 2018, 11:57:38 AM
He's no longer chairman but Gerry Kavanagh's legacy to Laois hurling lives on and not in a good way. Cheddar must be sick this morning after all his work is now fully undone.
Cheddar was blackguarded by CB and Croke Park, and quite a few on here if truth be told.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 16, 2018, 10:24:40 PM
He's no longer chairman but Gerry Kavanagh's legacy to Laois hurling lives on and not in a good way. Cheddar must be sick this morning after all his work is now fully undone.
Cheddar was blackguarded by CB and Croke Park, and quite a few on here if truth be told.
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How was he blackguarded by Croke Park?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 16, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
His and Pats plan for driving on Laois hurling sits on a shelf up there, gathering dust.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 16, 2018, 11:08:55 PM
His and Pats plan for driving on Laois hurling sits on a shelf up there, gathering dust.

"there's only so much funding to go around" was more or less the response to Cheddar's request for funding for Laois. The responder had a Dublin accent and spoke on behalf of Croke Park. Meanwhile, Dublin has been absolutely coining it for the past 10-12 years.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 08:14:43 AM
His and Pats plan for driving on Laois hurling sits on a shelf up there, gathering dust.

"there's only so much funding to go around" was more or less the response to Cheddar's request for funding for Laois. The responder had a Dublin accent and spoke on behalf of Croke Park. Meanwhile, Dublin has been absolutely coining it for the past 10-12 years.
All they wanted was funding to carry on, tighten up, and expand the coaching numbers. The programme in place was ostensibly working, it only needed tweaking and expanding. Funding to coach the coaches so to speak. However the GAA's Goebbels was having none of it. Run along there Laois, you're not wanted.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine. 
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 09:44:43 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 17, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The sad thing is that all the fight was coming from them. Again, our county board are shown up to be a set of compliant dinosaurs. They do s.f.a. to fight for the development of games in our county beyond the minimum that allows them to get off the hook.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 10:32:13 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The sad thing is that all the fight was coming from them. Again, our county board are shown up to be a set of compliant dinosaurs. They do s.f.a. to fight for the development of games in our county beyond the minimum that allows them to get off the hook.
Nail on the head. No wonder lads like Pat and Cheddar get burnt out and browned off. Could you blame them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on May 17, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
Ok so Croke Park denied us funding but are Westmeath, Kerry and the other counties passing us out being bankrolled by Croke Park funding? No, I dont think they are.
However they seem to have hung onto the players who are in the 25-32 bracket more successfully than Laois have managed to. The mass retirements in lads in their prime has left a huge hole in the Laois panel and their isnt the depth in the county to fill it. Read back through any of the interviews they did after retiring and they pretty much all cited the huge demands of time and energy that they couldnt sustain. We tried bravely to bridge the gap to the A counties and fell on our own sword. All the funding in the world 3-4 years wouldnt have filled the gap left by the players who retired and are still good enough to be playing.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 17, 2018, 10:47:30 AM
Ok so Croke Park denied us funding but are Westmeath, Kerry and the other counties passing us out being bankrolled by Croke Park funding? No, I dont think they are.
However they seem to have hung onto the players who are in the 25-32 bracket more successfully than Laois have managed to. The mass retirements in lads in their prime has left a huge hole in the Laois panel and their isnt the depth in the county to fill it. Read back through any of the interviews they did after retiring and they pretty much all cited the huge demands of time and energy that they couldnt sustain. We tried bravely to bridge the gap to the A counties and fell on our own sword. All the funding in the world 3-4 years wouldnt have filled the gap left by the players who retired and are still good enough to be playing.
The funding wasnt to bridge that gap, it was to ensure that gap didn't happen again, and again, and again.
Kerry has greater funding than Laois, there's no comparison.
Westmeath have been doing well, credit to them, but I wouldn't say they've passed us out, we've dropped back as a result of the retirements, but 9 times out of 10, we'd expect to beat, them, and in recent years have.
But, you have pivoted the conversation, the recent defeat wasn't the fault of funding or otherwise. We're not discussing that. We're discussing how forward planning was denied, for no apparent reason. This is a thread about the future of Laois hurling, not the current state of our senior team.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The reality is that they didn’t have the full support of the County Board when they went looking for funding,it wouldn’t be an understatement to say that they were nearly undermined by certain factions who had a different agenda for funding

Getting the Portlaoise debt sorted and accessing future funding for the C of E was more of a priority

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 17, 2018, 11:11:15 AM
That was my point. Although I don't know the in's and out's of dealing with Croke Park I would have thought that any plans etc would have to come through official channels and therefore if the backing wasn't from within the CB then it wouldn't have a chance. I would assume the same would happen in any other county.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 11:21:49 AM
We had to go last year cap in hand to Martin Fogarty to get a minor hurling manager as no one wanted the job

what does that say about us as a hurling county

We need about 10 PC’s and about 10 Cheddars in this county,where are they?

We played an u15 game Monday night and no one,refs or mentors knew whether it was 25 or 30 mins a side,even a simple thing like rules pertaining to that grade aren’t circulated to the clubs at the start of the year.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on May 17, 2018, 01:51:06 PM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The reality is that they didn’t have the full support of the County Board when they went looking for funding,it wouldn’t be an understatement to say that they were nearly undermined by certain factions who had a different agenda for funding

Getting the Portlaoise debt sorted and accessing future funding for the C of E was more of a priority
Jaysus you have some chip on your shoulder when its comes to Portlaoise.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 17, 2018, 04:51:12 PM

We played an u15 game Monday night and no one,refs or mentors knew whether it was 25 or 30 mins a side,even a simple thing like rules pertaining to that grade aren’t circulated to the clubs at the start of the year.

Is it any wonder young lads aren't really interested? Amateur is right.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
Surely it's up to the county board to push for funding and continue to do so until something happens. I fail to see how the powers that be could refuse financial aid if a workable plan is put before them and the right people are involved to manage it. As the saying goes where there's a will there's a way. Maybe the CB themselves weren't particularly enthusiastic about it as any funds would have to come through them I would imagine.
Then you've never dealt with the powers that be. You can have all the will in the world, but it won't get you through a closed door. You don't think Pat and Cheddar have a will?

The reality is that they didn’t have the full support of the County Board when they went looking for funding,it wouldn’t be an understatement to say that they were nearly undermined by certain factions who had a different agenda for funding

Getting the Portlaoise debt sorted and accessing future funding for the C of E was more of a priority
Jaysus you have some chip on your shoulder when its comes to Portlaoise.

Call it what you want son but the reality is that a lot of the money that went into bailing your asses out should have been used for the benefit of laois as a whole.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:15:24 PM

We played an u15 game Monday night and no one,refs or mentors knew whether it was 25 or 30 mins a side,even a simple thing like rules pertaining to that grade aren’t circulated to the clubs at the start of the year.

Is it any wonder young lads aren't really interested? Amateur is right.

Never mind the young lads,bad governance leads to loopholes being exploited,arguments before each game and mentors getting their fill of it and saying to hell with it.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 17, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
Never mind the young lads,bad governance leads to loopholes being exploited,arguments before each game and mentors getting their fill of it and saying to hell with it.

There was an email send out this week from the County Board as regards the bad behavior of mentors Im not excusing it for a minute but there’s huge frustration amongst mentors also

When at u13/u11

You have the larger clubs shuttling up and down players between A/B and C squads to suit the occasion against clubs with one team

1 if not 2 clubs bringing in players from outside the county to pad out an u11 team

One prominent hurling club blatantly playing 2 u13’s in an u11 game recently

The shambles with refs not being appointed to ref all u11 games,instead mentors being left to red games which creates huge interest

No sanction being placed on a club where a historical pattern of bad behavior culminated with a Juvenile before the courts after an u16 game

I could go on,but why bother
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on May 17, 2018, 09:55:14 PM
Clonadmad, you seem to know a fierce amount about the goings on and emails within Laois GAA walls. You're hardly a GDA working for our county are you?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 17, 2018, 10:43:32 PM


You have the larger clubs shuttling up and down players between A/B and C squads to suit the occasion against clubs with one team

1 if not 2 clubs bringing in players from outside the county to pad out an u11 team

One prominent hurling club blatantly playing 2 u13’s in an u11 game recently


Name and shame!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2018, 08:39:29 AM
Clonadmad, you seem to know a fierce amount about the goings on and emails within Laois GAA walls. You're hardly a GDA working for our county are you?

That’s one thing I’m most definitely not

There’s emails sent out to clubs every Friday from the county board containing fixtures and any other issues,you don’t have to be exactly a big wheel in any club to access them.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 18, 2018, 08:46:34 AM


You have the larger clubs shuttling up and down players between A/B and C squads to suit the occasion against clubs with one team

1 if not 2 clubs bringing in players from outside the county to pad out an u11 team

One prominent hurling club blatantly playing 2 u13’s in an u11 game recently


Name and shame!

Maybe if the County Board actually tightened and published the rules relating to these age groups it wouldn’t give the more unscrupulous loopholes

If that happened then the CB should go to   Town with REgard to anyone caught breaking the rules,bad behavior shouldn’t be allowed Trum p clubs that are doing things right
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 18, 2018, 09:49:13 PM
Subtle :D
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 19, 2018, 10:38:17 AM
Clough defeated Cullohill in the Div 1 Primary Schools Finals this week. Great to see two pretty rural schools doing so well.

Great credit also to Abbeyleix who won 3 Finals having qualified for 4. Their 3rd and 4th Class team beat Camross after extra time.

Seems to have been a lot of football area schools in finals too which is interesting.

LaoisToday are providing a great service. I hope it's sustainable in the long term because their volume of coverage is certainly making the Leinster Express up their online presence. Can only be a positive.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 19, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
Clough defeated Cullohill in the Div 1 Primary Schools Finals this week. Great to see two pretty rural schools doing so well.

Great credit also to Abbeyleix who won 3 Finals having qualified for 4. Their 3rd and 4th Class team beat Camross after extra time.

Seems to have been a lot of football area schools in finals too which is interesting.

LaoisToday are providing a great service. I hope it's sustainable in the long term because their volume of coverage is certainly making the Leinster Express up their online presence. Can only be a positive.

I wouldn’t read too much into football area schools or Portlaoise schools for that matter being in C na B finals as an indicator of kids playing hurling,in a lot of cases this would be the final time they would have a Hurley in their hand

Timahoe Ns beaten in a final,panel of 15/16,3 playing hurling with a club
Ballyadams Ns beaten in a final,panel of 12/13,3 or 4 at most playing hurling with a club
Ratheniska Ns won a camogie final,panel of 20 odd,3 playing camogie
Holy Family Ns won a hurling final,20 odd on a panel,4/5 playing with a club.

Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 20, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
Tough day for the minors on Saturday.

Well beaten by a superior Dublin team in fairness. Were any of the Dubs under 6 ft? Huge team that could play a bit too.

I must say I admire the effort of this group of lads and the Dubs didn't get very many easy scores (apart from some silly frees). Overall, the scoreline really didn't do justice to their efforts. We missed at least 3 decent goal chances and several good point-scoring chances. Still, even if everything had gone right, we wouldn't have had enough for a very strong Dublin team.

There were a lot of silly frees conceded again on Saturday, which is something to be worked on. They need to keep up the aggression without conceding the frees.

Hard to take a defeat like that but still there are some decent players coming through.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 21, 2018, 11:56:07 AM
Very touch to be well beaten like that. It is good to hear that they continued to battle and didn't lie down. If we can continue to get 2 or 3 players from each minor team it is a good outcome.
They have another game in this stage and then it will be knockout from the quarters. Things change.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 23, 2018, 11:01:49 AM
U21's out against Dublin on Saturday. I assume any of the lads involved with the seniors won't be considered. Bit pointless having it right in the middle of the competition particularly for smaller counties like Laois.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 23, 2018, 03:09:37 PM
Minor hurlers also out Friday evening at 7pm in O'Moore PArk. What's the story with Camross, not one on the starting 15!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: merman on May 23, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
U21's out against Dublin on Saturday. I assume any of the lads involved with the seniors won't be considered. Bit pointless having it right in the middle of the competition particularly for smaller counties like Laois.

All senior lads will be starting.

Tough draw getting Dublin; this team have actually put in a decent shift and should be competitive. Gave Offaly a solid beating last week.

Hard to see them toppling the Dubs mind....
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 24, 2018, 03:13:30 PM
I see too where Fergals won the Juv hurling c but Mountrath CS were beaten in the b final.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Giovanni on May 26, 2018, 03:20:01 PM
Sounds like the minors gave a good account of themselves again. Was anyone here at it?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on May 26, 2018, 07:05:34 PM
Was in o moore park today watching our u 21s vs Dublin. It was a committed performance  that in the end was exloited by the dubs .But some harrowing facts in relation to the development stages and our underage squads
1. Physical presence
2. Coaching standards
3. Desire (players and management)
4. Long term goals. (How can they be achieved)
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on May 26, 2018, 07:16:01 PM
In nearly every position the Dublin player was way bigger than his Laois counterpart.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on May 27, 2018, 10:36:13 AM
In nearly every position the Dublin player was way bigger than his Laois counterpart.

Ive said it before, we are 10 years behind some other counties. every “top” county have a winter physical development programme for all their underage teams from u13 up. We started this with our u13 group last October/November but at a very basic level I believe. Supposed to be setting up the same for the other teams this coming winter, but loads of other teams have been doing this for years!
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Tobias on May 28, 2018, 04:55:08 AM
In nearly every position the Dublin player was way bigger than his Laois counterpart.

Ive said it before, we are 10 years behind some other counties. every “top” county have a winter physical development programme for all their underage teams from u13 up. We started this with our u13 group last October/November but at a very basic level I believe. Supposed to be setting up the same for the other teams this coming winter, but loads of other teams have been doing this for years!
Interesting to hear the news of Donal Og Cusacks imminent arrival to Clare. It's a very shrewd move by Davy Fitz following a bit of a turbulent season west of the Shannon. Things were going stale down there but the arrival of Cusack as coach will really give the players renewed optimism and they will be excited by the new approach that he will bring.
I think a similar appointment in Laois would be very welcome, in the same role as a coach to work under cheddar. I think laois were a little short on ideas this year and the likes of galway found out how to play against us. I think Ger Cunningham has been good but I think a change is needed and a bit of a shake up to keep the interest of the players. I know it might be difficult to get a high profile coach, the likes of Cusack would have been ideal for us. There are people out there but I know Laois might not be the most attractive proposition.

The decision of Pat Crichley to return back to the underage structures is absolutely vital for the future of the game in our County. I think the minor set-up also needs a new approach and a new impetus. The Management appointment is a huge one as this minor team has got real potential, it hasn't happened over the past couple of years for our minors as they have had good teams but hopefully our fortunes will change next year.

In my opinion our current county team is not good enough to succeed at the highest level, our minors and under 21s have failed over the past few years with what we considered to be reasonably good sides. Our development squads 14,15,16 this year were not at the races which is a real shame and a concern, hence my reasoning for starting this thread.
 I think Pat Critchley is the man to head up a complete overhaul  of our outdated underage structures and I feel it's a root and branch plan needs to be drawn up that will ultimately produce better players to play for our County at development squad and County minor level. People have a perception in laois and indeed outside of laois that we have underage structures that puts other counties to shame, that's not the case. Compared with some counties we are well behind.

Maybe we don't have the resources for this but a 'Laois hurling school of excellence' should be set up with a number of different strands to it. I would set up a player development committee to monitor each County players progress from the age of 13 to 18. Plans would be drawn up by each respective development squad management and reviewed by members of the committee and monitored regularly from year to year. Players would be put on strength and conditioning (within reason for juveniles)programmes as well as  a hurling skills programme to work on the weaknesses. Top coaches with minimum of level one coaching coarse should be deployed to look after these teams with the help of the development commitee.
I would also regionalise the setanta programme, divide it into four hurling strongholds in Laois. The reason for this is kids wouldn't have to travel to portlaoise every weekend and it would encourage more to get involved. We would then have four strong divisions rather than one. Supervised Buses should also be provided to transport our young hurlers to 'county training'.

I am well aware the we probably don't have the funds to implement the structures we would like and to be fair Cheddar has done his fair share of campaigning to the powers that be to get us the funding we need.
Basically I think we need to go back to the drawing board and try to put something in place that would give us a some chance of success in the future. I hate being too pessimistic about our chances but I am a realist and we just can't keep doing what we are doing. Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: redsetanta on May 30, 2018, 04:24:40 PM
It's no coincidence that both Cheddar and Zoom were involved in managing county teams during our relative success at senior and minor. At minor we beat Wexford and Offaly and ran KK close.

These men have to remain involved and given every help possible as I have no doubt they would eventually bring success
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: G@@ on June 16, 2018, 04:01:37 PM
https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/1007976037945413632

Leinster Minor Hurling Q/final  (2nd half, 64min) Laois 1-14 (17) Offaly 2-19 (25)
All over hard luck lads.

WTF?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 16, 2018, 04:18:20 PM
Oh dear. Back to the second tier next year now, I presume?
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: mountrath1 on June 16, 2018, 05:15:23 PM
Thats a big setback again. How were we led to believe that this squad was the best prepared team we have produced in a while from the rumblings here. And to go through the season as not winning a competitive game, albeit they were competing in Tier 1. How was that experience of playing in that level not utilised today to beat a Tier 2 team in Offaly. Questions need to be answered in that context i feel. On a development note, what has the county set in place for these players now with respect to improving them as players and coaching and overall athletic development. Are we continually going to run a 6 month cycle, where no development would be made outside of that 6 months. No monitoring off the field in relation to development.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 16, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
Thats a big setback again. How were we led to believe that this squad was the best prepared team we have produced in a while from the rumblings here. And to go through the season as not winning a competitive game, albeit they were competing in Tier 1. How was that experience of playing in that level not utilised today to beat a Tier 2 team in Offaly. Questions need to be answered in that context i feel. On a development note, what has the county set in place for these players now with respect to improving them as players and coaching and overall athletic development. Are we continually going to run a 6 month cycle, where no development would be made outside of that 6 months. No monitoring off the field in relation to development.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Who led us to believe this was a team that were expected to do well? This team was always going to struggle as they did at U14/15/16 level. There is a few decent lads on it and they did really well against Wexford. The teams coming after them did better in the various tournaments and more is expected. I agree with your general points though - not enough development work by a long shot.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on June 16, 2018, 11:48:06 PM
Mountrath1 makes a very good point. These lads are 17 and the county is finished with them until u20/u21. How will this help them develop? At the very least the LCB should have scholarship for any player playing Fresher or Fitzgibbin hurling at 3rd level. These players need to be developed. They might not all make the top grade but their continued improvement would help add depth to a very shallow pool of talent at senior level.
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on June 18, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Laois GAA Executive has tonight put in place a selection committee who are tasked with recommending a new Laois Senior Hurling Manager . The committee comprises of 1. Eamon Jackman Ballinakill 2. Nial Rigney Portlaoise 3.Declan Conroy Rosenalis. We wish them the best of Luck
Title: Re: The future of laois hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 19, 2018, 09:37:20 PM
Laois GAA Executive has tonight put in place a selection committee who are tasked with recommending a new Laois Senior Hurling Manager . The committee comprises of 1. Eamon Jackman Ballinakill 2. Nial Rigney Portlaoise 3.Declan Conroy Rosenalis. We wish them the best of Luck

3 good men.
BUT why is there never a rep of CLG Laois (Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer) also on the committee?
Is it an effort to distance themselves from an appointment if it goes tits up?!