Poll
Question:
Who will win the 2015 Hastings Cup?
Option 1: The reigning and defending Rosfan
Option 2: Jinxy
Option 3: Larryin
Option 4: Itchy
Option 5: AZ Offaly
Option 6: That Westmeath lad that hates Syferus
Option 7: Shamrock Shore
Option 8: The Dinnytron 5000
Option 9: Ciarrai_thuaidh
Option 10: Tippabu
Option 11: Seafoid
It's about time for a thread, it starts in only five days! After Cavan and Roscommon both made the AISF last season as well as both contesting the AI Final in successive years the standard should be quite high, especially considering the strides Longford are making at underage. It seems like all the counties have come to value the tournament more and more in recent years. Wicklow's addition is an interesting statement of intent by the Garden County, going as far as to agree to be a travel-only team in the tournament.
You'd expect Cavan to emerge from Group 2 while the meeting at the weekend of Roscommon and Longford is likely to decide who will be playing them in the cup final.
2013 U21 HASTINGS CUP TOURNAMENT
Rd. 1 - 5th January 2013
Group 1 Group 2
Roscommon V Longford Leitrim V Cavan
Wicklow a Bye Offaly a Bye
Rd. 2 - 12th January 2013
Longford V Wicklow Cavan V Offaly
Roscommon a Bye Leitrim a Bye
Rd. 3 - 19th January 2013
Wicklow V Roscommon Offaly V Leitrim
Longford a Bye Cavan a Bye
Please note that Wicklow have agreed to travel.
The top team in each group will contest the Hastings Cup Final and the 2nd placed team in each group will contest the Hastings Shield Final - both of these Finals to be played on 26th January 2013 at a Longford venue.
This will hardly cause traffic jams .... :D
I wonder will we be able to find a playable venue for this weekend's game?
Strokestown the best bet I suspect.
Its been a great tournament of late and last year the two finalists, Cavan and Roscommon, both won their provinces with Roscommon going onto the AI final. Longford also made the Leinster final. I always watch with interest as it gives a good idea on how these teams are shaping up although Cavan last year gave their whole squad a run out in the tournament, the final winning team had a good few changes to the team that won Ulster.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 01, 2013, 10:12:52 AM
This will hardly cause traffic jams .... :D
I wonder will we be able to find a playable venue for this weekend's game?
Strokestown the best bet I suspect.
It's actually a home game for Longford, scheduled for Cashel.
Quote from: Itchy on January 01, 2013, 10:19:44 AM
Its been a great tournament of late and last year the two finalists, Cavan and Roscommon, both won their provinces with Roscommon going onto the AI final. Longford also made the Leinster final. I always watch with interest as it gives a good idea on how these teams are shaping up although Cavan last year gave their whole squad a run out in the tournament, the final winning team had a good few changes to the team that won Ulster.
Last year was the first time in about five years we didn't reach the Hastings cup final. We lost the opening game to Cavan 1-12 to 1-11 (Cavan scored 1-2 in the final minute or so) then Nigel Dineen chose to pick 2nd string sides in the remaining games.
For the talent we have available we should at least be reaching the final this year.
With only 2 group games it doesn't give management much opportunity to try out the whole squad and identify the best 15/20.
I expect a lot of challenge games before the Championship.
So I can update this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_competitions), what is the Hasting's Cup?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 02, 2013, 03:47:38 AM
So I can update this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_competitions), what is the Hasting's Cup?
An inter-county u21 football competition between the mighty underage footballing counties of Roscommon and Cavan Longford, Leitrim, Offaly and now Wicklow. It's organised by Longford and the final is always in Longford itself, no matter who is playing.
It's probably one of the most successful trans-province pre-season tournaments in the country, if not in attendance at least in helping prepare the counties for the start of their championships.
I see the Connacht Colleges League (secondary schools) and the Connacht Minor League (county minor teams) aren't on that list either so you've your work cut out for you, Eamon!
Thanks, Hastings added. Feel free to add any other competitions yourself!
It's far from a meaningless tournament. The u21 provincial Championships start in March and this tournament is good preperation for that.
Cavan have a good record in the Hastings Cup, holders for the past 3 years I think. Strong team again this year, with a lot of the panel from 2012 still available. What sort of outfit have Roscommon?
We'll have a good number of last year's panel underage again this year. Also we won the last 2 Connacht Minor Titles and Leagues so we won't be too bad ;)
A very good competition however it comes at the wrong time to year. The GAA calander is a shambles and the pioneer pin brigade in croker should wipe the slate clean and start again. Too many competitions for 18-22 year age group. I would question why we have an U.21 grade at all.
In Cavan the u21's the aren't involved with the Seniors until whenever the u21 campaign has ended. This is the way it has been the last few years, probaly doesn't help the Seniors in the League etc, when they would need a few of those players. It lets them focus fully with the u21's for the period of time.
Although they are let play in the O'Byrne Cup and fbd League which is 2 games in 2 days. Which can be hectic enough.
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2013, 04:15:20 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 02, 2013, 03:47:38 AM
So I can update this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_competitions), what is the Hasting's Cup?
An inter-county u21 football competition between the mighty underage footballing counties of Roscommon and Cavan Longford, Leitrim, Offaly and now Wicklow. It's organised by Longford and the final is always in Longford itself, no matter who is playing.
It's probably one of the most successful trans-province pre-season tournaments in the country, if not in attendance at least in helping prepare the counties for the start of their championships.
I see the Connacht Colleges League (secondary schools) and the Connacht Minor League (county minor teams) aren't on that list either so you've your work cut out for you, Eamon!
What other trans-province pre-season tournaments are there?
Apart from that, i wud say it is a very useful competition for the teams involved. I seem to remember micky harte winning this a couple of times with his all ireland u-21 teams of 2001-01, was there not a lot more counties involved then?
Cavan and ros are fairly strong at the age group, so that helps its credibility a bit
Cavan have a lot of last year's panel available and another few of the 2011 Ulster winning minors will be stepping into the squad hopefully in particular Gerard Smith, Andy Graham, Kevin Bouchier, Brian Sankey. Turloch Mooney is also underage and recovered from the cruciate tear I believe?
The experience and influence of Barry Reilly to the panel is a huge loss. We've been blessed with some quality leaders for the past 2/3 years. Hopefully the likes of Jack Brady and Conor Moynagh can fill the void now. The Hastings Cup is a great way to test out the side against some very good opposition.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 02, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
It's far from a meaningless tournament. The u21 provincial Championships start in March and this tournament is good preperation for that.
Cavan have a good record in the Hastings Cup, holders for the past 3 years I think. Strong team again this year, with a lot of the panel from 2012 still available. What sort of outfit have Roscommon?
Cavan going for three in row this year. We won four in a row 2007-2010.
Quote from: Orchardman on January 02, 2013, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2013, 04:15:20 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 02, 2013, 03:47:38 AM
So I can update this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_competitions), what is the Hasting's Cup?
An inter-county u21 football competition between the mighty underage footballing counties of Roscommon and Cavan Longford, Leitrim, Offaly and now Wicklow. It's organised by Longford and the final is always in Longford itself, no matter who is playing.
It's probably one of the most successful trans-province pre-season tournaments in the country, if not in attendance at least in helping prepare the counties for the start of their championships.
I see the Connacht Colleges League (secondary schools) and the Connacht Minor League (county minor teams) aren't on that list either so you've your work cut out for you, Eamon!
What other trans-province pre-season tournaments are there?
Apart from that, i wud say it is a very useful competition for the teams involved. I seem to remember micky harte winning this a couple of times with his all ireland u-21 teams of 2001-01, was there not a lot more counties involved then?
Cavan and ros are fairly strong at the age group, so that helps its credibility a bit
In the early 00s the likes of Fermanagh,Tyrone,Armagh,Sligo,Mayo took part in the tournament. Off the top of my head the North west cup is another tournament with Sligo,Derry,Fermanagh etc I'm not sure of other similar competitions.
Quote from: ck on January 02, 2013, 01:38:11 PM
A very good competition however it comes at the wrong time to year. The GAA calander is a shambles and the pioneer pin brigade in croker should wipe the slate clean and start again. Too many competitions for 18-22 year age group. I would question why we have an U.21 grade at all.
The u21 grade is a far cry more popular than the Sigerson, and runs not just through county teams but clubs as well. I really wonder what those fools that tried to replace minor and u21 with an u19 were thinking when they see days like Roscommon v. Cavan and Roscommon v. Dublin, one a near sell-out and the other attended by about 10k people, and that was with one county whose traveling support isn't great at the best of times, nevermind at the u21 grade.
It's very obvious that it's Sigerson and co. that need to be moved backwards on the calendar and not the u21 tournaments, there's at least enough continuity between u21 and senior panels to make it the more agreeable not-ideal pairing for the January-April period.
Agree no time for Sigerson, it takes a week out of the NFL Ireland doesn't do ex-grads going to college games.
Isn't great a Monaghan based Inter County U21 Competition - the Shamrock Tournament maybe??
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2013, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: ck on January 02, 2013, 01:38:11 PM
A very good competition however it comes at the wrong time to year. The GAA calander is a shambles and the pioneer pin brigade in croker should wipe the slate clean and start again. Too many competitions for 18-22 year age group. I would question why we have an U.21 grade at all.
The u21 grade is a far cry more popular than the Sigerson, and runs not just through county teams but clubs as well. I really wonder what those fools that tried to replace minor and u21 with an u19 were thinking when they see days like Roscommon v. Cavan and Roscommon v. Dublin, one a near sell-out and the other attended by about 10k people, and that was with one county whose traveling support isn't great at the best of times, nevermind at the u21 grade.
It's very obvious that it's Sigerson and co. that need to be moved backwards on the calendar and not the u21 tournaments, there's at least enough continuity between u21 and senior panels to make it the more agreeable not-ideal pairing for the January-April period.
There is a case though that if you have played senior inter county championship in my view you shouldnt be playing u21. Thats the real issue for me. These guys are playing senior club, u21, senior county and Sigerson in the same window. Thats too much in my view.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 03, 2013, 07:32:17 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2013, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: ck on January 02, 2013, 01:38:11 PM
A very good competition however it comes at the wrong time to year. The GAA calander is a shambles and the pioneer pin brigade in croker should wipe the slate clean and start again. Too many competitions for 18-22 year age group. I would question why we have an U.21 grade at all.
The u21 grade is a far cry more popular than the Sigerson, and runs not just through county teams but clubs as well. I really wonder what those fools that tried to replace minor and u21 with an u19 were thinking when they see days like Roscommon v. Cavan and Roscommon v. Dublin, one a near sell-out and the other attended by about 10k people, and that was with one county whose traveling support isn't great at the best of times, nevermind at the u21 grade.
It's very obvious that it's Sigerson and co. that need to be moved backwards on the calendar and not the u21 tournaments, there's at least enough continuity between u21 and senior panels to make it the more agreeable not-ideal pairing for the January-April period.
There is a case though that if you have played senior inter county championship in my view you shouldnt be playing u21. Thats the real issue for me. These guys are playing senior club, u21, senior county and Sigerson in the same window. Thats too much in my view.
I think you'd need to change U21 to U 20 before introducing such a rule.
However it is time there was a reduction in the amount of grades/games/training that the talented 17-21 year olds are being saddled with and Indiana's suggestion would be one way of addressing that.
Also it would mean that the U21/20 and Senior Inter Co games could go ahead at the same time leaving more opportunities for more regular club fixtures.
I would be inclined to agree with yee there. Moving to U.20 and moving Sigerson to pre christmas would relieve alot of the current issues. The trads in Croker will take some convincing at such radical proposals however
Cavan 2-15 Leitrim 0-2.
Awful hammering for Leitrim, even if its only a pre season warm up.
Longford 2-11 Roscommon 0-04
Incredibly slow start to the year for us but it's better to throw these results up early in year rather than late. We'll improve but we won't get a shot at Cavan now (or they us) which is probably the most disappointing aspect.
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 04:44:01 PM
Longford 2-11 Roscommon 0-04
Incredibly slow start to the year for us but it's better to throw these results up early in year rather than late. We'll improve but we won't get a shot at Cavan now (or they us) which is probably the most disappointing aspect.
Surprised with that result. I think if you are getting bet by 13 points this close to start of championship then I don't think you can be considered serious contenders.
Armagh, 20 points, January 2006.
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 05:04:56 PM
Armagh, 20 points, January 2006.
If you think so fine, there are always exceptions I suppose. Seems unlikely to me is all.
We took some drubbings in challenge matches last year too, it's never about where you start. Our Connacht semi-final opponents suffered a bad loss today as well so we have plenty of time before our likely Connacht final to get things right - none of last season's minor team featured today and there are plenty of very good players on that team that can come in and contribute immediately.
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2013, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 04:44:01 PM
Longford 2-11 Roscommon 0-04
Incredibly slow start to the year for us but it's better to throw these results up early in year rather than late. We'll improve but we won't get a shot at Cavan now (or they us) which is probably the most disappointing aspect.
Surprised with that result. I think if you are getting bet by 13 points this close to start of championship then I don't think you can be considered serious contenders.
Wake up call for the lads today. Probably the worst display by our U21s in competitive game since that awful showing v Mayo in 2007. Longford won the Leinster minor title in 2010 so i can imagine they had alot of that team starting today. We have about 7,8 to return but one would have to worry about our strength in depth after a defeat like that.
The Cavan v Leitrim result wasn't a big surprise one team has been very strong at minor level over the last few years the other has been very poor.
According to one of the boys on Cavan thread this was our team...
FJMcLoughlin.BSankey.TMorrissey.CBrady.AO 'Connell.PMcEvoy.PGraham.KDuke.DMcVeety.CConroy.DTalbot.SMurray.CMadden.EO'Reilly
I would say 3/4 central players missing like jack Brady, turloch Mooney and Cillian Clarke. Will be interesting to see how Cavan would do against Longford if they first beat Offaly.
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2013, 05:04:56 PM
Armagh, 20 points, January 2006.
I presume you are talking about the Minors?
They didn't play Championship that year till late June so they had plenty of time to put things right.
Hopefully today will be a wake up call rather than a sign of a disaster campaign coming up.
Longford will be in championship action much earlier than we will so they'd have to be sharper than us at this point .
Very surprised to see Roscommon get such a drubbing. I hear Leitrim were very poor and looked like a team of lads just thrown together on the day. Cavan were missing Jack, Killian Clarke, Joe Dillon, Flanagan, Mooney and Andy Graham all of whom you'd be expecting to start come Championship time. Do we play Longford now? As was said above they won Minor in 2010 so it'll be a measure of how where we really are.
Have to beat Offaly first to be sure to top group. Longford have to beat Wicklow to top their group then we'd play them.
Quote from: Westside on January 07, 2013, 12:24:26 AM
Very surprised to see Roscommon get such a drubbing. I hear Leitrim were very poor and looked like a team of lads just thrown together on the day. Cavan were missing Jack, Killian Clarke, Joe Dillon, Flanagan, Mooney and Andy Graham all of whom you'd be expecting to start come Championship time. Do we play Longford now? As was said above they won Minor in 2010 so it'll be a measure of how where we really are.
Gonna be tight for places on that U-21 team. You forgot Paul O Connor and Conor Moynagh, off the top of my head. Whats the story with Nevin O Donnell, Kevin Bouchier, Finnegan of Lacken?
What's the likely midfield pairing on the team? I'd like to see them go head to head with Longford and see how that goes.
Quote from: Itchy on January 09, 2013, 07:24:46 PM
What's the likely midfield pairing on the team? I'd like to see them go head to head with Longford and see how that goes.
Turloch Mooney if he is fully fit and Paul Graham. Fergal Flanagan can play around the midfield area aswell, he will probaly be a half forward.
Mooney and Graham both missed out on the u21 campaign last year through injury.
Results -Longford 4-10 Wicklow 0-6, Cavan 0-15 Offaly 1-5.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 02, 2013, 03:47:38 AM
So I can update this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_competitions), what is the Hasting's Cup?
Where's the Slurry Cup?
Quote from: boojangles on January 09, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 07, 2013, 12:24:26 AM
Very surprised to see Roscommon get such a drubbing. I hear Leitrim were very poor and looked like a team of lads just thrown together on the day. Cavan were missing Jack, Killian Clarke, Joe Dillon, Flanagan, Mooney and Andy Graham all of whom you'd be expecting to start come Championship time. Do we play Longford now? As was said above they won Minor in 2010 so it'll be a measure of how where we really are.
Gonna be tight for places on that U-21 team. You forgot Paul O Connor and Conor Moynagh, off the top of my head. Whats the story with Nevin O Donnell, Kevin Bouchier, Finnegan of Lacken?
C Gilsenan, C Smith, K Clarke, C Brady, D McVitty, L Moynagh, A O Connell, B Sankey, P Graham, J Brady, E Reilly, K Duke, J Bradley, C Madden, A Graham. This was the team v Offaly.
Very tight for places indeed. I wasn't aware that Paul O'Connor was still underage. Is Enda Reilly the Mullahorn blonde haired guy?
Nevin O'Donnell did his cruciate again so won't be around for the year. Finnegan hasn't featured since he had such a great year at Minor in 2011. I haven't seen him play, has he been poor since? Conor Moynagh just had a shoulder operation don't know if he'll be around for this year's campaign which would be a huge loss.
Quote from: Westside on January 13, 2013, 11:47:55 PM
Quote from: boojangles on January 09, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 07, 2013, 12:24:26 AM
Very surprised to see Roscommon get such a drubbing. I hear Leitrim were very poor and looked like a team of lads just thrown together on the day. Cavan were missing Jack, Killian Clarke, Joe Dillon, Flanagan, Mooney and Andy Graham all of whom you'd be expecting to start come Championship time. Do we play Longford now? As was said above they won Minor in 2010 so it'll be a measure of how where we really are.
Gonna be tight for places on that U-21 team. You forgot Paul O Connor and Conor Moynagh, off the top of my head. Whats the story with Nevin O Donnell, Kevin Bouchier, Finnegan of Lacken?
C Gilsenan, C Smith, K Clarke, C Brady, D McVitty, L Moynagh, A O Connell, B Sankey, P Graham, J Brady, E Reilly, K Duke, J Bradley, C Madden, A Graham. This was the team v Offaly.
Very tight for places indeed. I wasn't aware that Paul O'Connor was still underage. Is Enda Reilly the Mullahorn blonde haired guy?
Nevin O'Donnell did his cruciate again so won't be around for the year. Finnegan hasn't featured since he had such a great year at Minor in 2011. I haven't seen him play, has he been poor since? Conor Moynagh just had a shoulder operation don't know if he'll be around for this year's campaign which would be a huge loss.
Conor Finnegan was on the U21 squad last year but didn't feature in any of the games. He had a slight injury problem aswell. His form wasn't great last year with Lacken, wasn't that consistent. Showed up well in the u21 club championship at the end of last year.
Enda Reilly is the "blonde guy". Good free taker.
Moynagh will be a loss if he isn't back.
There is the makings of an extremely potent forward line for us then with Jack, Enda O'Reilly, Madden, Andy Graham all capable of getting scores. Although Jack may be utilised around the 40 as he was last year. Saw Enda O'Reilly in the Mullahorn v West Cavan Gaels game thought he was very impressive probably the best on the field that day.
Final next Saturday v Longford. Has the makings of a good game. It's in Longford so it will be very tough and this looks to be a quality Longford side. The lads haven't been tested yet and hopefully they can continue the hunger of the previous few years and hold onto the Hastings Cup.
what will be the championship team again monaghan
Whats the story with Jason McLoughlin anyone know will he be brought home for the U21 games(s)?
Quote from: tommysmith on January 15, 2013, 03:34:52 PM
Whats the story with Jason McLoughlin anyone know will he be brought home for the U21 games(s)?
He was playing against Leitrim
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 15, 2013, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 15, 2013, 03:34:52 PM
Whats the story with Jason McLoughlin anyone know will he be brought home for the U21 games(s)?
He was playing against Leitrim
He was on Xmas holidays he is away now again.
I'd say they will fly him back for the Championship. Hardly just play against Leitrim and leave it at that.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 15, 2013, 03:55:40 PM
I'd say they will fly him back for the Championship. Hardly just play against Leitrim and leave it at that.
Yeah they wouldnt have bothered playing him if he wasnt available, are you heading to the final saturday rod?
I might go over for a look, its in Killoe. Very good pitch. No reason why they can't get to another Ulster Final. Good side of the draw.
Is Killoe the same as Ardagh as thats where i heard it was?
Yep would be hopeful of getting to another Ulster final.
Yeah Ardagh is the parish. Killoe is the club
Sound thanks
Think you were right about Ardagh. They are neighbour clubs. Celt will confirm it tomorrow anyway.
Its nice to see ye being nice.
Does anyone fear a Monaghan ambush? I do and I'm never at ease when I hear we expect to do well.
I meant what Cavan did to a much fancied Armagh team last year.
Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
I meant what Cavan did to a much fancied Armagh team last year.
Complaceny I suppose. They have been going well so far, although the opposation hasn't been great. The Longford game will be a indication.
Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
I meant what Cavan did to a much fancied Armagh team last year.
This is a huge risk. Let us not forget that the All Ireland Champions have been knocked out in the first round for the past 2 years. Having players from last year's winning side and supposedly being on the easy side of the draw means very little, it's unforgiving knockout Championship. Cavan came from nowhere recently so did Wexford, Tipp, Donegal, who's to say it won't be Monaghan this year? If we are go get a run going in Ulster we will need to be massively focused and play to our potential like we have for the past few years.
Quote from: tommysmith on January 15, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Is Killoe the same as Ardagh as thats where i heard it was?
Yep would be hopeful of getting to another Ulster final.
Killoe is miles away from Ardagh - the pitch in Killoe is in Ennybegs which is about halfway between Longford town and Ballinalee. For Cavan people take the main road from Granard to Longford, via Ballinalee.
And when you've found killoe you better head on over to Ardgh to see the game!!!!! Half way between edgeworthstown and Longford. Will be signposted in Edgeworthstown. Pitch is just outside the village but not the edgeworthstown side. Very good pitch but not even certain if there is a stand.
It was orginally fixed for Killoe, thought Ardagh parish was close to there, obviously not by the looks of it.
Quote from: Westside on January 15, 2013, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
I meant what Cavan did to a much fancied Armagh team last year.
This is a huge risk. Let us not forget that the All Ireland Champions have been knocked out in the first round for the past 2 years. Having players from last year's winning side and supposedly being on the easy side of the draw means very little, it's unforgiving knockout Championship. Cavan came from nowhere recently so did Wexford, Tipp, Donegal, who's to say it won't be Monaghan this year? If we are go get a run going in Ulster we will need to be massively focused and play to our potential like we have for the past few years.
Apart from the fact that Armagh weren't at full strenght and were playing away. Home advantage is a big thing, that does mean someting, Cavan beat a highly rated down side in 2011 in Breffni. And Tipp didn't come from nowhere, they have been wining titles since under 15, they have are excellent under age
QuoteIt was orginally fixed for Killoe, thought Ardagh parish was close to there, obviously not by the looks of it
Indeed the parishes themselves might have a small border but definitely come fairly close to each other at one point but Killoe in particular is a very big parish and I'd say the pitches are about 15 km apart
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Westside on January 15, 2013, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
I meant what Cavan did to a much fancied Armagh team last year.
This is a huge risk. Let us not forget that the All Ireland Champions have been knocked out in the first round for the past 2 years. Having players from last year's winning side and supposedly being on the easy side of the draw means very little, it's unforgiving knockout Championship. Cavan came from nowhere recently so did Wexford, Tipp, Donegal, who's to say it won't be Monaghan this year? If we are go get a run going in Ulster we will need to be massively focused and play to our potential like we have for the past few years.
Apart from the fact that Armagh weren't at full strenght and were playing away. Home advantage is a big thing, that does mean someting, Cavan beat a highly rated down side in 2011 in Breffni. And Tipp didn't come from nowhere, they have been wining titles since under 15, they have are excellent under age
We beat Down in 2010. Tipp came from nowhere in 2010 to win the Munster U21, that's what I meant. Before that they hadn't won a minor championship since the 90's.
Quote from: Westside on January 16, 2013, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2013, 11:19:19 AM
Quote from: Westside on January 15, 2013, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 15, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
I meant what Cavan did to a much fancied Armagh team last year.
This is a huge risk. Let us not forget that the All Ireland Champions have been knocked out in the first round for the past 2 years. Having players from last year's winning side and supposedly being on the easy side of the draw means very little, it's unforgiving knockout Championship. Cavan came from nowhere recently so did Wexford, Tipp, Donegal, who's to say it won't be Monaghan this year? If we are go get a run going in Ulster we will need to be massively focused and play to our potential like we have for the past few years.
Apart from the fact that Armagh weren't at full strenght and were playing away. Home advantage is a big thing, that does mean someting, Cavan beat a highly rated down side in 2011 in Breffni. And Tipp didn't come from nowhere, they have been wining titles since under 15, they have are excellent under age
We beat Down in 2010. Tipp came from nowhere in 2010 to win the Munster U21, that's what I meant. Before that they hadn't won a minor championship since the 90's.
Yeah 2010, the year before Down were in the All Ireland final. Home advantage does make a difference, and Cavan have been lucky that they have either played at home or in enniskillan which they are use to at this stage since 2010 and nowhere else.
It was only a matter of time before tipp would make the break through, they had lots of good players and teams before that.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 16, 2013, 04:47:25 PM
Beat Monaghan in the semi in 2010, that was the only game. The rest have been in Breffni or at enniskillan.
That was in Enniskillen I'm almost certain, I was at it.
You're right Itchy it was Enniskillan, Givney got a savage point to win it. I was there don't know why i was thinking Clones. Only Breffni and Enniskillan so.
I guess the final has been brought forward a week? Wicklow for us this weekend like ourselves they are trying to recover from the Larries lashing.
Rumours we bet Laois in a challenge last weekend by 2 points ?
A win v the mountainy men would give us a "Shield final" the following weekend which should help Nigel and the lads in getting closer to their first 15/20.
Last I heard it was a five point win over Laois. Tomorrow it'll be a three point Laois win.
Ciaran Caffreky has a minor injury so he's unlikely to feature against Wicklow.
Quote from: North Longford on January 16, 2013, 10:40:21 AM
And when you've found killoe you better head on over to Ardgh to see the game!!!!! Half way between edgeworthstown and Longford. Will be signposted in Edgeworthstown. Pitch is just outside the village but not the edgeworthstown side. Very good pitch but not even certain if there is a stand.
https://maps.google.ie/maps?&hl=en&ll=53.669307,-7.705815&spn=0.010945,0.033023&sll=53.669006,-7.707489&sspn=0.005498,0.016512&z=16 (https://maps.google.ie/maps?&hl=en&ll=53.669307,-7.705815&spn=0.010945,0.033023&sll=53.669006,-7.707489&sspn=0.005498,0.016512&z=16)
If you're going from Edgeworthstown, take the road for Ballymahon and Athlone, and then take the right turn at the sign for Ardagh, follow the road into centre of the village, but turn left at the junction in the village and follow a road with a series of newish houses on the right-hand side (Ardagh is mercifully free of ghost estates - the fact that the chief planning officer for the county council lives there is purely coincidental). At the end of this lane, you'll come to the main Longford-Carrickboy road - you turn right and the pitch is on your right hand side a couple of hundred yards up the road.
There is a stand there now, I think. It used to be an awful spot in bad weather with absolutely no shelter and not even midges to keep you company ;)
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 16, 2013, 08:47:16 AM
Quote from: tommysmith on January 15, 2013, 04:06:57 PM
Is Killoe the same as Ardagh as thats where i heard it was?
Yep would be hopeful of getting to another Ulster final.
Killoe is miles away from Ardagh - the pitch in Killoe is in Ennybegs which is about halfway between Longford town and Ballinalee. For Cavan people take the main road from Granard to Longford, via Ballinalee.
The Killoe pitch is in Cloonee, Billy - on the main Ballinalee-Longford road just before Kiernan's Forge. But it's admirable that you're trying to tire them out by sending them that extra couple of miles in the wrong direction to Eanbegs when they should actually be in Ardagh ;D
Ah here, it's as near to Ennybegs as makes no difference - I think the club themselves call it Cullyfad. It's a better facility than Ardagh too, though I digress.
Can this not be put in the "how to get to Longford" thread? :)
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 17, 2013, 11:47:00 AM
Ah here, it's as near to Ennybegs as makes no difference - I think the club themselves call it Cullyfad. It's a better facility than Ardagh too, though I digress.
Jazes, Billy, Cullyfad is the old pitch - at the other end of the parish from Ennybegs. We'll have to invite you home to Longford for The
Fleecing Gathering at this rate to refamiliarise you with the place.
Why the hell is this game in feckin Ardagh?
Pearse Park being rested at present untill All Ireland Intermediate semi final on the 26th of Jan, Last game was played in it on the 16th of December. Lynch Park Abbeylara also unavailable at the minute, Ballymahon pitch not the best at present after O Byrne cup game , Killoe has also suffered from overuse over the year, Keenan Park has a fine new "Prunty pitch and new stand . Parking should be easier than in Abbey last year . All the County Vocational schools games have taken place in Pairc Chiaran in Newtowncashel as will the Leinster final where they play Kildare on the 25th of Jan at 7-30pm. This will be the last Vocational schools game as the competition is being disbanded . There is also no all Ireland series . The panel includes about 14 of the Longford minor panel for 2013
Quote from: The Insider on January 17, 2013, 07:50:43 PM
Pearse Park being rested at present untill All Ireland Intermediate semi final on the 26th of Jan, Last game was played in it on the 16th of December. Lynch Park Abbeylara also unavailable at the minute, Ballymahon pitch not the best at present after O Byrne cup game , Killoe has also suffered from overuse over the year, Keenan Park has a fine new "Prunty pitch and new stand . Parking should be easier than in Abbey last year . All the County Vocational schools games have taken place in Pairc Chiaran in Newtowncashel as will the Leinster final where they play Kildare on the 25th of Jan at 7-30pm. This will be the last Vocational schools game as the competition is being disbanded . There is also no all Ireland series . The panel includes about 14 of the Longford minor panel for 2013
And Roscommon's lead minor forward, Diarmuid Murtagh.
Keeping a potential u21 county player locked up with schools games, there's some crafty buggers east of the Shannon.. ;D
In all seriousness that team has a fantastic full-forward line, Rian Brady really impressed me in the Fr. Manning Cup final last August and Longford will be a serious outfit at both minor and u21 this season. Just going on the report Israel ILungo played well and it's good to see the GAA attracting more players from different backgrounds. Really an untapped resources, especially in counties like ourselves where playing numbers are tight as it is.
1-7 of 1-11 Diarmuid Murtagh scored in that Vocational schools game v Dublin. Must be said the Longford colours doesn't suit him. :P
(http://raydonlon.smugmug.com/2013/January/12-January-2013-Leinster/i-rGDN52Q/0/S/031_lvd120113-S.jpg)
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2013, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: The Insider on January 17, 2013, 07:50:43 PM
Pearse Park being rested at present untill All Ireland Intermediate semi final on the 26th of Jan, Last game was played in it on the 16th of December. Lynch Park Abbeylara also unavailable at the minute, Ballymahon pitch not the best at present after O Byrne cup game , Killoe has also suffered from overuse over the year, Keenan Park has a fine new "Prunty pitch and new stand . Parking should be easier than in Abbey last year . All the County Vocational schools games have taken place in Pairc Chiaran in Newtowncashel as will the Leinster final where they play Kildare on the 25th of Jan at 7-30pm. This will be the last Vocational schools game as the competition is being disbanded . There is also no all Ireland series . The panel includes about 14 of the Longford minor panel for 2013
And Roscommon's lead minor forward, Diarmuid Murtagh.
Keeping a potential u21 county player locked up with schools games, there's some crafty buggers east of the Shannon.. ;D
In all seriousness that team has a fantastic full-forward line, Rian Brady really impressed me in the Fr. Manning Cup final last August and Longford will be a serious outfit at both minor and u21 this season. Just going on the report Israel ILungo played well and it's good to see the GAA attracting more players from different backgrounds. Really an untapped resources, especially in counties like ourselves where playing numbers are tight as it is.
Israel Ilungo is from Westmeath (Castletown/Finea/Coole/Whitehall/Whatever you're having yourself). A lot of these players (Ilungo, Brady, Rabbitte, McGivney, McElligott, possibly McKeogh) were on the Cnoc Mhuire Granard team that won the All-Ireland under-16 vocational schools title for the last two years.
Quote from: The Insider on January 17, 2013, 07:50:43 PM
All the County Vocational schools games have taken place in Pairc Chiaran in Newtowncashel as will the Leinster final where they play Kildare on the 25th of Jan at 7-30pm. This will be the last Vocational schools game as the competition is being disbanded . There is also no all Ireland series . The panel includes about 14 of the Longford minor panel for 2013
Cashel is about as remote as it's possible to get in Longford. Now, ideally if all signposts pointing to it are taken down over the next week (or at least rotated in the wrong direction) so that the Kildare team and supporters are left to find the place under their own steam, it should be possible to replicate the Hawkfield Experience from the quarter-final.
More seriously, is Dromard not playable at the moment as another option besides Ardagh?
Dromard isn't a great pitch. Facilities top notch. Not a prunty pitch. Is usually wet enough when weather not good. If killoe, drumlish, colmcille, abbey etc aren't playable then it more than likely not.
20mins in, Cavan 4 longford 2.
HT. Cavan 7 Longford 3
12 mins into 2nd half, 9 to 5 for Cavan
All square 0.10 to 1.7
Well done Longford.
Longford win 1.9 to 0 .10
FT 1-9 to 0-10 Well done to our neighbours Longford their first Hastings cup success since 2006. Sounded like a real game of two halves?
Other results
Leitrim 0-11 Offaly 0-9
Roscommon 2-11 Wicklow 0-8
Well done Lonford, Cavan threw it away up by 5 at one stage in the second half.
Don't think Peter Reilly knows his best team, hopefully he gets that sorted for the championship.
I think this could be a good result for Cavan in some ways. Game is not won sure until its over and no team is invincible This tells them there is more work to be done
Quote from: ross4life on January 19, 2013, 03:56:52 PM
FT 1-9 to 0-10 Well done to our neighbours Longford their first Hastings cup success since 2006. Sounded like a real game of two halves?
One quarter to three quarters would be more like it.
Well done to Longford. This could be good for Cavan depending on the manner in which they take the defeat. We did exactly this to Roscommon in the Hastings Cup last year didn't we? A goal by Jack won it for us in the dying stages of the game? Roscommon then beat us in the AISF.
Could be a point about Peter not knowing his best team. An issue Terry certainly never had. Hopefully this defeat will hurt them and the backlash will be felt in Ulster.
Things are really looking up for Longford at all levels now. The ideal scenario would be for ourselves, Longford and Can to emerge as provincal champions. Based on Cavan and Longford's form and the draw we have it's entirely possible that two Hastings teams could meet in the later stages of the championship for a second successive year.
could any of the Cavan posters hazard a guess at how many lads likely to start against Monaghan would be in their last year at this level. I can only speculate that it's Flanagan, Conroy, Jack Brady. Maybe there are others. I understand from one of our other posters that McLoughlin and O'Donnell will not be available. Also, what has happened to Turlough Mooney could anybody tell me. I'm fairly sure he started in the final two years ago against Galway and is still available this year-injury???
Dara Sexton, Flanagan, Paul McEvoy, Jack Brady, Chirs Conroy, Enda Reilly,
Paul O Connor are in their last year at u21.
Turloch Mooney did his cruciate last year in a club game with Redhils and missed the Ulster u21 campaign, He played in the Hastings cup last year, and had a great game in the final
Conor Moynagh, Joe Dillon were missing today, Jason McGlaughlin played against Leitrim so I wouldn't say he won't be unavailable come the championship
McGlaughlin is also in his last year at u21.
Think there will be a few changes for the Monaghan game, Dara Sexton for one should have been starting today.
Tyrone under-21's will be strong the year.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 19, 2013, 09:38:53 PM
Tyrone under-21's will be strong the year.
Tyrone having won the 2010 minor All Ireland will be the team to beat in Ulster. Tipperary,Dublin will also be strong this year.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 19, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 19, 2013, 09:38:53 PM
Tyrone under-21's will be strong the year.
Tyrone having won the 2010 minor All Ireland will be the team to beat in Ulster. Tipperary,Dublin will also be strong this year.
Armagh won the 2009 All ireland and were very poor at U-21 last year.
Quote from: tommysmith on January 19, 2013, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 19, 2013, 10:29:12 PM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 19, 2013, 09:38:53 PM
Tyrone under-21's will be strong the year.
Tyrone having won the 2010 minor All Ireland will be the team to beat in Ulster. Tipperary,Dublin will also be strong this year.
Armagh won the 2009 All ireland and were very poor at U-21 last year.
They did and underachieved at U-21 level. Do you expect Tyrone to do the same?
I dont know its possible i supose.
The Tyrone All Ireland Minor winning team from 2008 also lost the Ulster Final in 2011. It's no guarantee for success at all.
Longford (with the help of our own Diarmuid Murtagh) have added Leinster vocational schools title to their Hastings cup. They Beat Kildare tonight 2-14 to 2-4
Hastings shield final tomorrow Leitrim v Roscommon in Kenagh,Longford. Should be interesting game as we play Leitrim again in the championship.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=205010
Twelve counties will compete in next year's Hastings Cup U21 football tournament which gets underway on Saturday, January 4.
The long-running competition, which the competing counties use to prepare for the U21 championship, will consist of three groups of four teams. The top team from each group along with the best second placed team will qualify for semi-finals.
The other two group runners-up will contest the Hastings Shield Field. Last year's winners Longford have been included in the same group as Mayo, Offaly and Cavan.
Group 1
Round 1 - 4th January 2014
Longford - V's - Mayo
Cavan - V's - Offaly
Round 2 - 11th January 2014
Offaly - V's - Longford
Mayo - V's - Cavan
Round 3 - 18th January 2014
Longford - V's - Cavan
Mayo - V's - Offaly
Group 2
Round 1 - 4th January 2014
Roscommon - V's - Clare
Westmeath - V's - Kildare
Round 2 - 11th January 2014
Kildare - V's - Roscommon
Clare - V's - Westmeath
Round 3 - 18th January 2014
Westmeath - V's - Roscommon
Clare - V's - Kildare
Group 3
Round 1 - 4th January 2014
Leitrim - V's - Tipperary
Meath - V's - Wicklow
Round 2 - 11th January 2014
Meath - V's - Leitrim
Tipperary - V's - Wicklow
Round 3 - 18th January 2014
Wicklow - V's - Leitrim
Tipperary - V's - Meath
It just amazes me the way they dont put the venues down along with the fixture list, ffs do they not want people to attend these type of games. 4th Jan is only 6 or so weeks away, be nice to have a chance to see if one could manage to attend or pick the ones that suit.
GAA, have not a clue sometimes.
You could always read your local paper the week before the game Lairrín.
anyway I expect the Ros fixtures to be in Ballyforan v Clare, Garrycastle or Tubberclair v Western Meath and Johnstownbridge v the 4WDlillies.
A few years ago the GAA restricted this tournament as they felt it was getting too big , then they were going to abolish it altogether - now it's taking in every half baked county along with the original Longford/Roscommon.
Cavan have been for the Hastings Cup for a long time too. No harm to expand it, Tipp are excellent under age. Mayo will be a good addition. Kildare had a good year last year under age.
Think it'll become a mess if they start adding all comers. It's like some sort of half-baked AI championship at this stage.
Cavan beat Leitrim 2-15 to 2pts earlier this year in a group game. The U21 season is short as it is, wrapped up by May. A few more quality teams will benefit all and extra games for all counties. Its still a long gap by the time the Hastings Cup finished and the provincials in Ulster start.
Think 12 should be the max though.
I remember Kildare winning this years ago. I think Ronan Sweeney was on the team so that's how long it was since we last played in it.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 01:08:04 PM
The top team from each group along with the best second placed team will qualify for semi-finals.
Five games for those who reach the final TBH i think thats a few too many pre-season games before the really thing. The final would clash with the start of NFL and most of these players will have played plenty of football with their colleges.
A few counties like Cavan and Longford let the u21 players concentrate with the u21 team team until whenever they are finished in the u21 championship. I think its the best way.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
A few counties like Cavan and Longford let the u21 players concentrate with the u21 team team until whenever they are finished in the u21 championship. I think its the best way.
Its debatable i know with ourselves we had U21s playing on Saturday then a NFL game on the Sunday. Some Cavan supporters have claimed not using their U21s in recent years has cost them promotion to div 2.
Quote from: ross4life on November 20, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 05:55:13 PM
A few counties like Cavan and Longford let the u21 players concentrate with the u21 team team until whenever they are finished in the u21 championship. I think its the best way.
Its debatable i know with ourselves we had U21s playing on Saturday then a NFL game on the Sunday. Some Cavan supporters have claimed not using their U21s in recent years has cost them promotion to div 2.
It hasn't helped anyway.
It might have cost them promotion, but Cavan have been lucky to win 3 Ulster U21 Championship in a row,. Great for those players in the future to have a winning mentality at Senior level. That run might end next year at u21 level, who know's..
Time I suppose something was done to stop the rot at U-21 level in Mayo since we last won Connacht 4 years ago. If the Hastings Cup is as successful as it's supposed to be, (at gauging barometers etc) I'm all for it. If, however some counties use it for trial and error purposes, i.e. FBD and the likes then is it a waste of time?
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 20, 2013, 08:24:06 PM
Time I suppose something was done to stop the rot at U-21 level in Mayo since we last won Connacht 4 years ago. If the Hastings Cup is as successful as it's supposed to be, (at gauging barometers etc) I'm all for it. If, however some counties use it for trial and error purposes, i.e. FBD and the likes then is it a waste of time?
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level. Having so many possible games now will probably lead to more and more experimental line-ups being fielded, though. Ros, Mayo, Longford, Tipp, Kildare, Meath, Westmeath and Cavan sounds like a serious deck of serious teams but we'll see how it plays out.
Imagine Ros-Mayo playing each other in the Hastings a few weeks before the real deal, it would be a masterclass in silly mind-games.
Its only one extra group game. 2 games and then into the final was too short anyways.
Semi Finals will give it a good edge too. All good preparation for these sides ahead of the provincial championship, as was said its a short enough calendar year for the u21's.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
Quote from: ross4life on November 20, 2013, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: ross4life on November 20, 2013, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.
We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.
We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.
Well done to Longford on another victory in getting permission for an expanded competition . This competition has gone from 4 to 12 teams over the last 2 years. Without this counties would be looking to play meaningless challenges and it will give the likes of Leitrim a chance to see how they match up with Tipperary who will be looking to match their All Ireland Minor victory in 2011 with the U-21 in 2014 . Tipp would tell you that playing in the Leinster minor league in 2011 was part of the reason for their success . Longord would not have won the minor in 2010 without having played in the Connaught league . If we get over Westmeath in the 1st round , I feel we'll give it a good go again and would have no fear of facing the Dubs in semi final again . Would be interesting to see Dessie Farrell v Jack Sheedy on line that night !!
Careful.... it could be all a GPA PLOT :o :-X
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: ross4life on November 20, 2013, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.
We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.
We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.
Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 21, 2013, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 11:12:48 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: ross4life on November 20, 2013, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.
We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.
We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.
Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.
Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.
Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago and even then it creates a chicken-and-egg situation - good U21 teams ending up playing senior D3 provides a poor platform for further development.
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The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.
We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.
We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.
Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.
Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.
Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago
Longford were competitive in probably every game of the National League this year, and were without Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden and a few others plus u21's for spells
Losing 7 games didn't tell the tale
Cavan were still in with promotion going into the last day but fielded an understrength team as they would have needed to win by a huge margain against Roscommon which wasn't going to happen. Other results didn't go their way either that day.
Cavan beat both promoted teams along the way Meath and Monaghan, We weren't that far off.
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The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.
We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.
We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.
Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.
Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.
Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago
Longford were competitive in probably every game of the National League this year, and were without Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden and a few others plus u21's for spells
Losing 7 games didn't tell the tale
Cavan were still in with promotion going into the last day but fielded an understrength team as they would have needed to win by a huge margain against Roscommon which wasn't going to happen. Other results didn't go their way either that day.
Cavan beat both promoted teams along the way Meath and Monaghan, We weren't that far off.
Neither were we. It didn't matter one iota, we'll still all be plying our trade in Division 3 next spring.
I think both Cavan and Roscommon desperately need to reach D2 if their talented young players are going to have any chance of carrying over their underage consistency and winning mentality to senior. If that means playing U21s mid-championship, that's a cost that is worth paying.
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Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 08:38:33 PM
The core counties (Ros-Larries and, in recent years, Cavan) have always taken the Hastings Cup seriously and it's played a big role in all three counties' preparations and successes at U21 level.
2007 to 2011 we went all out to win it but the last two years not so much, hopefully this competition doesn't become like the FBD.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 20, 2013, 08:32:17 PM
Wasn't a waste of time for Longford reaching the Leinster u21 final this year, beating Dublin along the way. Teams have to look at players obviously too as its the only way of assembling a panel before the provincials championships
With or without the Hastings i always fancied the Larries to topple the Dubs, they had 11 of 2010 Leinster minor winning team most of those players are overage now. Does other counties not have U21 club championship to assemble a panel?
Yeah they did win Minor, but the game was in Parnell Park. And having watched Longford in the Hastings Cup they weren't overly impressive. Cavan dominated for 3 quarters of the final without 4 regulars but then through away the lead.
U21 championship is played now in Cavan in shite conditions, Not ideal for spotting talent.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
I know all that. All the same Senior managers know they are u21 players and shouldn't be putting them under pressure to play during the league whilst still with the u21s
Many counties don't have an option, particularly ones involved in the Hastings Cup - counties that aren't large but take their football very seriously.
We had a situation where even with U21 players this (partly thanks to Brigids' AI run and partly injuries) we were naming teams in the league that would seem experimental in the FBD, nevermind compeditive games.
We're asking too much of U21s and county players in general but adding games to their plate while the mess that is the start of the calender year hasn't been sorted is a slap in the face of the idea that any of the suits (or managers, at that) give two fecks about player safety.
Cavan isn't a big a big County or Longford yet they played without u21 players. If you want to think ahead for the future or a quick fix of promotion and possibly relegation I know what I would prefer.
Every County would have enough decent footballers over the age of 21 to cope , Ros were missing the Brigids players for a big spell of the League and they were obviously a huge loss.
Longford didn't get a single point in this year's league and Cavan weren't even at the races come the last day in D3.
Using or not using U21s in the league is an ad hoc solution for something the GAA suits should have sorted out many years ago
Longford were competitive in probably every game of the National League this year, and were without Brian Kavanagh, Paul Barden and a few others plus u21's for spells
Losing 7 games didn't tell the tale
Cavan were still in with promotion going into the last day but fielded an understrength team as they would have needed to win by a huge margain against Roscommon which wasn't going to happen. Other results didn't go their way either that day.
Cavan beat both promoted teams along the way Meath and Monaghan, We weren't that far off.
Neither were we. It didn't matter one iota, we'll still all be plying our trade in Division 3 next spring.
I think both Cavan and Roscommon desperately need to reach D2 if their talented young players are going to have any chance of carrying over their underage consistency and winning mentality to senior. If that means playing U21s mid-championship, that's a cost that is worth paying.
Of course playing at a higher standard brings the best out of players and hopefully that can be done next year. Monaghan won Ulster this year and Meath ran Dublin close this year in Leinster Final. It was a good standard in Division3 this year.
A few key u21's from this years Cavan side will be over age next year which will boost the panel, if necessary they will use the u21's next year I would imagine if the chance is there. But it will still be a dog fight in Division 3.
Cavan made a call to sacrifice their senior teams prospects in the league in the past few years in order to focus on their U21 and to a lesser extent minor teams. This is a long term approach and absolutely the right approach. We have another decent u21 team this year, our fifth in a row. As the approach evolves we will have more and more of these proven young players over the u21 age limit and as that happens the negative effects of having dedicated U21 players will decrease. Taking a short cut to div2 by putting a massive effort in to the detriment of the U21s would just result in see saw promotions and relegations. Cavans biggest problem this year is that we over achieved quite significantly at senior level last year which may bring some unreasonable expectations. We should hold firm to our approach this year at least and see can we win an incredible 4 Ulsters in a row which will inspire more young lads to dedicate to the cause and continue to create a winning mentality at senior level.
As for the hastings cup, it is a great tournament and does tend to be a barometer of the form teams in south ulster and Connacht. The more teams the better I reckon. Cavan do like to try their whole panel in the their games and i'm sure every other county is the same and no one wants to show their whole hand in a pre season tournament.
Here Cavanmen and Rossies, for what it's worth, I think the both of you will be in Div 2 in 2015. Happy now? :D
Quote from: mylestheslasher on November 22, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
Cavan made a call to sacrifice their senior teams prospects in the league in the past few years in order to focus on their U21 and to a lesser extent minor teams. This is a long term approach and absolutely the right approach. We have another decent u21 team this year, our fifth in a row. As the approach evolves we will have more and more of these proven young players over the u21 age limit and as that happens the negative effects of having dedicated U21 players will decrease. Taking a short cut to div2 by putting a massive effort in to the detriment of the U21s would just result in see saw promotions and relegations. Cavans biggest problem this year is that we over achieved quite significantly at senior level last year which may bring some unreasonable expectations. We should hold firm to our approach this year at least and see can we win an incredible 4 Ulsters in a row which will inspire more young lads to dedicate to the cause and continue to create a winning mentality at senior level.
As for the hastings cup, it is a great tournament and does tend to be a barometer of the form teams in south ulster and Connacht. The more teams the better I reckon. Cavan do like to try their whole panel in the their games and i'm sure every other county is the same and no one wants to show their whole hand in a pre season tournament.
Cavans biggest problem this yr was a standard defeat by the Saffrons.
This was a great comp. antrim used to be in it. Some great wins in the likes of Navan and Newtownmountkennedy.
This comp was better than the ulster champ. Great playing outside the province!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 22, 2013, 10:59:12 PM
Here Cavanmen and Rossies, for what it's worth, I think the both of you will be in Div 2 in 2015. Happy now? :D
I'll be happy enough if you are right Far but very little between all the sides in div 3.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
What the friggin hell does that word mean or do you mean , truncated ?
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Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
What the friggin hell does that word mean or do you mean , truncated ?
In Syferworld anything can mean whatever his little brainín wants it to especially if he picks a scatter of letters and jumbles them up.
Unfortunately you'd need the Enigma codebreakers talents to decipher/translate his guff. :-[
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Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
U21 is trundicated for a very good reason, those players are under intense demands at senior, U21, club and college level. More games at U21 county is not a good thing, particularly with the mad-cap schedule the GAA runs to from Jan-April.
What the friggin hell does that word mean or do you mean , truncated ?
In Syferworld anything can mean whatever his little brainín wants it to especially if he picks a scatter of letters and jumbles them up.
Unfortunately you'd need the Enigma codebreakers talents to decipher/translate his guff. :-[
Ballycroy and Rosfan, united as one? Figures.
Cavan u21s got off to a great start today beating Offaly 1.14 to 0.8 in the Hastings cup. Away to Mayo next week.
We cantered past Clare 2-19 to 1-07. Kildare will be a must better test.
Didn't get there Syfín, - work interfering - Who played,played well etc or does the one sidedness of the game make it largely irrelevant?
Was shooting practice with little or no pressure put on our fellas. Anywho Harney,Murtagh,Featherstone and Conor Daly stood out & Mickey Gunning had a good cameo in the 2nd half. 2-19 this time of year is a good score regardless of the opposition.
Mayo beat Longford by 8 points. Cavan v Mayo next Sunday. Anyone know the time and venue for that game?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 04, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
Mayo beat Longford by 8 points. Cavan v Mayo next Sunday. Anyone know the time and venue for that game?
Prentys palace in Bekan 2pm throw in.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 04, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
Mayo beat Longford by 8 points. Cavan v Mayo next Sunday. Anyone know the time and venue for that game?
Prentys palace in Bekan 2pm throw in.
Shite on that so.
Is that on grass or astro in bekan?
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Mayo beat Longford by 8 points. Cavan v Mayo next Sunday. Anyone know the time and venue for that game?
Prentys palace in Bekan 2pm throw in.
Shite on that so.
Game v Offaly is also fixed there.
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2014, 09:05:54 PM
Is that on grass or astro in bekan?
They have both you may even get the pitch with the slope.
The Westmeath v Kildare match today was moved onto an astro turf pitch. Both teams reportedly very unhappy with it.
I think teams would feel they would pick up injuries and also they are warming up for games that are going to be played on grass. Is there a stand or anything at that place.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on January 04, 2014, 09:09:30 PM
The Westmeath v Kildare match today was moved onto an astro turf pitch. Both teams reportedly very unhappy with it.
Would a mud slide of a pitch be any safer or less likely to cause injury? Doubt it was moved to an astro turf pitch for the craic so that sounds a tad cry-babyish.
Fairly impressive performance by Mayo today, Adam Gallagher was outstanding, I'm not sure how much longer you can wait before you bring him into senior set up. I don't think Longford were as bad as the score suggests , they just didn't have the same quality as Mayo up front and we got a penalty for a foot block to start the ball rolling.
On a sidenote I'd like to ask a question about the black card, today was my first time to see it .
Longford attacker gets dispossessed , Mayo begin the counter attack at speed , Longford player who is now obviously behind the play , screams at the ref, ref blows and shows the black card and then restarts play with a throw in.
I'm baffled at this,surely the play should continue and then go back to show the black card? It's like a contradiction of the reasoning for the black card rule, sure a player could get play stopped cynically by taking the black card but stopping an attack ,,which could be further up the field than today's incident.
Is this the rule or did the ref get it wrong? Should the play of continued and black card given after play comes to a halt?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 05, 2014, 12:47:11 AM
Fairly impressive performance by Mayo today, Adam Gallagher was outstanding, I'm not sure how much longer you can wait before you bring him into senior set up. I don't think Longford were as bad as the score suggests , they just didn't have the same quality as Mayo up front and we got a penalty for a foot block to start the ball rolling.
On a sidenote I'd like to ask a question about the black card, today was my first time to see it .
Longford attacker gets dispossessed , Mayo begin the counter attack at speed , Longford player who is now obviously behind the play , screams at the ref, ref blows and shows the black card and then restarts play with a throw in.
I'm baffled at this,surely the play should continue and then go back to show the black card? It's like a contradiction of the reasoning for the black card rule, sure a player could get play stopped cynically by taking the black card but stopping an attack ,,which could be further up the field than today's incident.
Is this the rule or did the ref get it wrong? Should the play of continued and black card given after play comes to a halt?
The ref should have let play progress as you suggest. I'm sure in retrospect he knows he got it wrong. There are gonna be mistakes early on.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 04, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
Mayo beat Longford by 8 points. Cavan v Mayo next Sunday. Anyone know the time and venue for that game?
Just read the local report there. Some good quality in the Mayo side. The half-back line has a nice look to it. Pure footballers.
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Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 04, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
Mayo beat Longford by 8 points. Cavan v Mayo next Sunday. Anyone know the time and venue for that game?
Just read the local report there. Some good quality in the Mayo side. The half-back line has a nice look to it. Pure footballers.
The number five was outstanding at times , very commanding, great presence . Sean Regan . There's a good swagger to a few of them and I like it but the Adam Gallagher boy is the real deal for sure.He was a fantastic minor two years ago too. His enthusiasm to be involved in as much play as possible is amazing , I noticed him lay off a ball from Mayo cb position , he ran through a clustered midfield area like a hare and got the return in our ff line nearly and the midfield area at this time had about seven big Longford men who tried to halt his run but to no avail. His kicking is great , skill, pace, he's virtually faultless , two stray balls ( crossfield ) is all you could fault him for and when weighing that up with his overall contribution , it seems more apt to not even mention that.
I personally think it is vital to our overall progress that we win the Connacht championship at this grade this year .
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
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Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Nah
Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
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Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 06, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
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Quote from: larryin89 on January 06, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
He's a half-pint of a man but he's a bundle of talent. Exactly not the Donegal prototype right now but with a bit of physical development he can live up to his surname.
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Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2014, 08:06:07 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 06, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
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Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
We're going all Jam Horan at U21 this year. It's just Game One. Absolutely no enjoyment would be taken by Roscommon supporters beating 'poor ' Mayo. None.
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Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
We're going all Jam Horan at U21 this year. It's just Game One. Absolutely no enjoyment would be taken by Roscommon supporters beating 'poor ' Mayo. None.
What y on about Sy? Really? If ye beat us good luck to ye.
And it s not like anybody is crying the poor mouth. If we have a midfield at this level - Larry probably knows better than I - then I think we ll have enough to give any team a run for their money.
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Quote from: larryin89 on January 06, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
We're going all Jam Horan at U21 this year. It's just Game One. Absolutely no enjoyment would be taken by Roscommon supporters beating 'poor ' Mayo. None.
What y on about Sy? Really? If ye beat us good luck to ye.
And it s not like anybody is crying the poor mouth. If we have a midfield at this level - Larry probably knows better than I - then I think we ll have enough to give any team a run for their money.
Winners of Connacht should make the AI final again. Who that will be is a lottery between Ros, Mayo and Galway. It'll come down to attitude on the day as there's little between the panels in terms of talent.
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Quote from: larryin89 on January 06, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 06, 2014, 07:26:37 PM
Can anyone stop the Rhu U21s this year or even give them a game??
Do ya hear the shite coming out of ya, ye have had a couple of wins at this grade over us the last while and you think it gives you some sort of authority in this grade.
Can't wait for the game in McHale park.
Oh and we still have twice as many all Ireland's and over three times as many provincial titles at this grade too. Ftr
Don t mind them Larry. T'will be sweet if we can take them this year.
Seriously though this Hasting's Cup should be a great boost. The last few years our U21s were way undercooked going into Championship. Back in the day we used to do Hasting's Cup we were consistently getting to the later stages of the Championship.
I see Evan Regan scored 1-3 for Sligo IT on Sunday after playing first half v Longford.
4th win in a row against ye at this grade would be extra sweet for us.
We won the Hastings cup in 2008,09 & had no luck against "undercooked" Mayo teams in the championship those years so i'm not sure how much you can read into this pre-season competition.
Evan played well will Horan give him another go? IMO the most impressive forward for IT Sligo yesterday was Ryan McHugh of Donegal one to watch this summer i'd say.
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
We're going all Jam Horan at U21 this year. It's just Game One. Absolutely no enjoyment would be taken by Roscommon supporters beating 'poor ' Mayo. None.
What y on about Sy? Really? If ye beat us good luck to ye.
And it s not like anybody is crying the poor mouth. If we have a midfield at this level - Larry probably knows better than I - then I think we ll have enough to give any team a run for their money.
Winners of Connacht should make the AI final again. Who that will be is a lottery between Ros, Mayo and Galway. It'll come down to attitude on the day as there's little between the panels in terms of talent.
I ll go along with that because I m sadly ignorant about Roscommon and Galway. The attitude thing, yeah. The apparent lack of belief and purpose in our ranks for a few years was hard to take. But Mayo s minor run last year is promising after a few tough years. It was by no means a vintage Mayo crop compared to a lot teams in the recent past. But it showed what a bit of low-key, sensible but thorough management can achieve.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
Mayo will be at home on a high after winning the minor AI and i'd say you will be favourites with bookies. Gallagher was also good at schools level last year if you want to read into that.
I wonder why he declined?
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 10:34:58 PM
Winners of Connacht should make the AI final again. Who that will be is a lottery between Ros, Mayo and Galway. It'll come down to attitude on the day as there's little between the panels in terms of talent.
Steady on.
While the Connacht U-21 championship will have three AI contenders the winner has to face Munster champs which could be Tipp containing plenty of their 2011 AI minor team.
On another note the teams that bet us the last four years have gone on to win the U-21 AI, couldn't happen for a 5th year in a row could it?
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Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
Mayo will be at home on a high after winning the minor AI and i'd say you will be favourites with bookies. Gallagher was also good at schools level last year if you want to read into that.
I wonder why he declined?
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 10:34:58 PM
Winners of Connacht should make the AI final again. Who that will be is a lottery between Ros, Mayo and Galway. It'll come down to attitude on the day as there's little between the panels in terms of talent.
Steady on.
While the Connacht U-21 championship will have three AI contenders the winner has to face Munster champs which could be Tipp containing plenty of their 2011 AI minor team.
On another note the teams that bet us the last four years have gone on to win the U-21 AI, couldn't happen for a 5th year in a row could it?
Nah, we'll just win it ourselves this time.
Were Roscommon or Mayo to run the hard yards in Connacht only to lose the very next day it'd be a big disappointment.
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Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2014, 10:12:16 PM
How can you claim to have the edge in sweetness?
For us the Dempsey and Duffy years at U21 were very disappointing. There was plenty of players there too but they played like total strangers.
Not too familiar with current U21s but some I do know and I think they can play senior which is what it is all about imo. I m talking about Regan X2, Coen, Burke and Gallagher anyway and maybe others that I ve not seen much of.
Larry gave Gallagher rave reviews and no doubt he is top prospect. If I may be permitted a caveat it is that Adam Gallagher is a serious athlete - seriously good cross country runner - and at this time of year would show most players up. If the gap is as wide later in the year is another thing. But the half forward line on the senior team has an opening for that kind of player. Some of the others I mentioned may have to wait a while for a cut at senior because they re operating in the same positions as likes of Keegan and Boyle. Those boys will take shifting but the competition can only be good for us.
Evan has declined an invitation to get involved with the seniors recently.
Mayo will be at home on a high after winning the minor AI and i'd say you will be favourites with bookies. Gallagher was also good at schools level last year if you want to read into that.
I wonder why he declined?Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 10:34:58 PM
Declined?
He was not minor last year. Colleges a different age. Not sure how you mean he declined?
Gallagher is U21 again next year, as is Sean Regan, Cian Burke and Coen has 2 years left at this level. And I think they are all serious footballers. For what it s worth, Seanie Regan is a serious hurler as well. FF on Mayo team at 18yrs of age.
Winners of Connacht should make the AI final again. Who that will be is a lottery between Ros, Mayo and Galway. It'll come down to attitude on the day as there's little between the panels in terms of talent.
Steady on.
While the Connacht U-21 championship will have three AI contenders the winner has to face Munster champs which could be Tipp containing plenty of their 2011 AI minor team.
On another note the teams that bet us the last four years have gone on to win the U-21 AI, couldn't happen for a 5th year in a row could it?
My post has as per been all sensationalised by my neighbours .
I praised Gallagher for his performance and am not shy at airing my opinion I've held since he was a minor , that he has the potential to be a future senior star .
Moysider, I was not aware of his cross country talent but that is a fair point you make with that . There is just something about him that I really like , I can't really pinpoint it exactly but apart from his talent, he comes across as mentally strong, it's early days in his career and it would be ridiculous for someone like me who has only seen him play a handful of times to make bold predictions but sure that's my character , I'm a bit ridiculous and I say he's the next Ciaran mac.
Now in response to the noisy neighbours who were in like rockets to shout me down, where did I say we were unbeatable at this grade or anything like it ? All I said was I think it's important we stop this losing streak at 21s and I'd like it if we won Connacht .
That's hardly saying we are an unstoppable machine as that's the spin you put on my post.
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Declined?
He was not minor last year. Colleges a different age. Not sure how you mean he declined?
Gallagher is U21 again next year, as is Sean Regan, Cian Burke and Coen has 2 years left at this level. And I think they are all serious footballers. For what it s worth, Seanie Regan is a serious hurler as well. FF on Mayo team at 18yrs of age.
I was wondering why Evan Regan declined not Gallagher.
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Declined?
He was not minor last year. Colleges a different age. Not sure how you mean he declined?
Gallagher is U21 again next year, as is Sean Regan, Cian Burke and Coen has 2 years left at this level. And I think they are all serious footballers. For what it s worth, Seanie Regan is a serious hurler as well. FF on Mayo team at 18yrs of age.
I was wondering why Evan Regan declined not Gallagher.
Didn't Jam have to drop him in July last year because the Mayo coutny board wanted him to trim the panel?
That'd sour any player on a county set-up. Probably doesn't want to set himself up doing 8 months of training only to be dropped from the panel in the middle of the championship.
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Declined?
He was not minor last year. Colleges a different age. Not sure how you mean he declined?
Gallagher is U21 again next year, as is Sean Regan, Cian Burke and Coen has 2 years left at this level. And I think they are all serious footballers. For what it s worth, Seanie Regan is a serious hurler as well. FF on Mayo team at 18yrs of age.
I was wondering why Evan Regan declined not Gallagher.
Didn't Jam have to drop him in July last year because the Mayo coutny board wanted him to trim the panel?
That'd sour any player on a county set-up. Probably doesn't want to set himself up doing 8 months of training only to be dropped from the panel in the middle of the championship.
Yeah. Something like that anyway. At least I think that was the explanation given to the player.
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Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2014, 11:00:46 PM
Declined?
He was not minor last year. Colleges a different age. Not sure how you mean he declined?
Gallagher is U21 again next year, as is Sean Regan, Cian Burke and Coen has 2 years left at this level. And I think they are all serious footballers. For what it s worth, Seanie Regan is a serious hurler as well. FF on Mayo team at 18yrs of age.
I was wondering why Evan Regan declined not Gallagher.
Didn't Jam have to drop him in July last year because the Mayo coutny board wanted him to trim the panel?
That'd sour any player on a county set-up. Probably doesn't want to set himself up doing 8 months of training only to be dropped from the panel in the middle of the championship.
Yeah. Something like that anyway. At least I think that was the explanation given to the player.
Evan had a hugely frustrating year for him last year (being young and inpatient ) but I think him focusing on the U21's is a good mature choice given his knee problems over the last couple of years and could be a brilliant move in developing his undoubted talent.
I notice Sean Regan getting good reviews and he stood out for me last year for the the club especially when we were being hammered by Mitchels where he gave Tom Cuniffe a torrid time of it in the second half. He will be a big loss to the Mayo hurlers in the league this year should the U21's do well . 2-8 from play in his debut against Armagh last year he looks like he could even take the mantle of top dog in the small ball from Higgins but will probably end up concentrating more on the big ball this year.
When that Sean Regan played county minor in 2012, wasnt he a forw
ard player?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 07, 2014, 01:39:30 PM
When that Sean Regan played county minor in 2012, wasnt he a forw
ard player?
Yeah he was a half forward and played half forward for the club the last two years too.
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When that Sean Regan played county minor in 2012, wasnt he a forw
ard player?
Yeah he was a half forward and played half forward for the club the last two years too.
I ve always had a problem with young players being pigeonholed. There are Mayo county coaches out there that dont rate Kevin McLoughlin outside his own 45 because of where he played as a kid.
Horseshit of the highest order of course.
I m delighted this management are giving Seanie Regan this role. There is still the possibility he could end up as a midfielder at this level. He s been unlucky with injury. Broke leg in first minor year and was just getting into it and havin a blinder in minor semi v Meath when a clash of heads with Lavin cost us the match and a decent chance in the final. I m confident this development will work out. If there was a criticism of him in the forwards, it was that he tried to play football it like a Shefflin or a Canning. Bursting through big tackles and hits and going for his own finish.
Surely the position a player is selected in is influenced as much by what the team needs as much as his personal best position.
This is particularly the position at club level where talented wing/corner men are often deployed in central positions. The history of football is full of players who changed position, often radically, at various times throughout their careers.
Adam Gallagher is a huge prospect and I would not be surprised to see him start in the half-forward line for Mayo this summer.
There's some collection of forwards to choose from for that U-21 squad: Evan Regan, James Shaughnessy, Conor O'Shea, Adam Gallagher, Diarmuid O'Connor, Brian Heneghan from Moy Davitts, Tommy Conroy, Liam Irwin, Conor Loftus, Michael Plunkett, Darren Duffy, Kevin Gibbons from Louisburgh, Gareth O'Donnell. I could be forgetting players there too. They'll have some job picking six from there. Two of them may end up at midfield. Probably talking two from O'Shea, Gallagher, O'Connor and O'Donnell.
Defensively I'm not as sure how strong we are but the half-back line from the weekend of Sean Regan (another forward option), Stephen Coen and Cian Burke is strong and very attacking minded. Add in the likes of Mitchels' Patrick Durcan, Mayo Gaels' Kevin Lynch (a young Keith Higgins in the making) and Conor Horan (a fine minor from my memory). There could be plenty more I'm not thinking of here too. Aidan Butler from Claremorris is another one. Very strong U-21 team at our disposal this year.
I'm scared sh1tless already :-\
I'm sure it will be a very high standard in Connacht again this year. I know ourselves have most of last year's All-Ireland winning team back and the 2011 minors were unlucky to lose to Dublin in the semi-final that year. There will be 3 good teams again and even a little thing like whoever has home advantage could swing it for someone on a given day. From our perspective they certainly have the talent to go all the way and win it again but I would be slightly concerned that after winning it last year they will drop their levels a small bit. Even doing so by 5% could be the difference between winning and losing a game.
I'd agree. All three times will be closely matched. In most other years each county would be strong favourites on their own but the quality of the three county's Under 21 teams this year is very high. Some standard in Connacht.
Has been a high standard in Connacht for the last number of years at both minor and under 21 level, would have to feel sorry for Sligo unlike Leitrim they have improved to a level that would normally be good enough to win Connacht however unfortunately for them Galway,Mayo,Roscommon have become very strong.
Jaysus we're fairly fantastic in Connacht, I don't know why the other provinces waste their time competing.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 10, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
I'm sure it will be a very high standard in Connacht again this year. I know ourselves have most of last year's All-Ireland winning team back and the 2011 minors were unlucky to lose to Dublin in the semi-final that year. There will be 3 good teams again and even a little thing like whoever has home advantage could swing it for someone on a given day. From our perspective they certainly have the talent to go all the way and win it again but I would be slightly concerned that after winning it last year they will drop their levels a small bit. Even doing so by 5% could be the difference between winning and losing a game.
Do Galway take part in any pre season tournaments at U21 ?
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 10, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
I'm sure it will be a very high standard in Connacht again this year. I know ourselves have most of last year's All-Ireland winning team back and the 2011 minors were unlucky to lose to Dublin in the semi-final that year. There will be 3 good teams again and even a little thing like whoever has home advantage could swing it for someone on a given day. From our perspective they certainly have the talent to go all the way and win it again but I would be slightly concerned that after winning it last year they will drop their levels a small bit. Even doing so by 5% could be the difference between winning and losing a game.
Do Galway take part in any pre season tournaments at U21 ?
They just let the natural footballers out of the birthing tanks some time in February, no need for these pre-season tournaments.
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2014, 09:10:10 PM
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 10, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
I'm sure it will be a very high standard in Connacht again this year. I know ourselves have most of last year's All-Ireland winning team back and the 2011 minors were unlucky to lose to Dublin in the semi-final that year. There will be 3 good teams again and even a little thing like whoever has home advantage could swing it for someone on a given day. From our perspective they certainly have the talent to go all the way and win it again but I would be slightly concerned that after winning it last year they will drop their levels a small bit. Even doing so by 5% could be the difference between winning and losing a game.
Do Galway take part in any pre season tournaments at U21 ?
They just let the natural footballers out of the birthing tanks some time in February, no need for these pre-season tournaments.
Indeed, and it doesn t seem to do them any harm.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 10, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
I'm sure it will be a very high standard in Connacht again this year. I know ourselves have most of last year's All-Ireland winning team back and the 2011 minors were unlucky to lose to Dublin in the semi-final that year. There will be 3 good teams again and even a little thing like whoever has home advantage could swing it for someone on a given day. From our perspective they certainly have the talent to go all the way and win it again but I would be slightly concerned that after winning it last year they will drop their levels a small bit. Even doing so by 5% could be the difference between winning and losing a game.
Do Galway take part in any pre season tournaments at U21 ?
Don't seem to. Can't imagine it would do any harm but equally they seem to do alright without them.
Cavan lead Mayo 1-7 to 0-4 just into 2nd half. Very experimental Cavan team, not sure about Mayo but I expect they are the same.
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:04:15 PM
Cavan lead Mayo 1-7 to 0-4 just into 2nd half. Very experimental Cavan team, not sure about Mayo but I expect they are the same.
Are the lads who played in the FBD last night playing for Mayo U-21s today?
I wouldn't know Muppet but surely not.
Cavan lead by 7 at the moment. Have introduced Dara McVeety and Conor Moynagh.
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
I wouldn't know Muppet but surely not.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
I wouldn't know Muppet but surely not.
You don't seem to know the extent to which player safety is treated with contempt in Connacht.
Good to see mcveety and especially Moynagh get game time.
Cavan win 1-14 to 0-10.
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Cavan win 1-14 to 0-10.
Cavan looking good for another Ulster title. Mayo panel not as strong as some originally thought?
Great win and some lads giving Peter a selection headache by the sounds of things.
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Cavan win 1-14 to 0-10.
Good win for Cavan. Well done.
Quote from: muppet on January 11, 2014, 03:38:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Cavan win 1-14 to 0-10.
Good win for Cavan. Well done.
To be fair it was only Mayo they beat, not one of the established Hastings powers.
Didnt make it to this but lads that played last night in FBD were not involved today.
Adam gallagher, o connor and coen played last night and Evan regan didnt feature for under 21 today either , obviously this weakened the side considerably.
I see the Rossies are wetting themselves at this result. What a laughable lot ye are.
Other finals:
Offaly 1-11 Longford 2-07
Meath 1-12 Leitrim 0-13
Westmeath 3-09 Clare 2-08
Tipperary 3-12 Wicklow 2-06
The Trimmers almost trimmed by the Lovelies.
That should be Cavan through to a Semi. Longford not strong as last year.
When are Roscommon & Kildare playing?
Throws in at 6:30 up in Celbridge.
Particularly happy to see Conor Moynagh get some game time today, the impact he had when he came on in last years AISF was something else, hope he gets injury free this year, Would say it was a stronger line out than last week with only a few notable absentees. Can only assume Mayo were well below full strength as reading the posts here earlier in the week one got the impression an encounter with either Mayo or Ros could result in one hell of a tanking.
Things looking good but will be a hell of an effort to retain Ulster this year with the draw.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 11, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
That should be Cavan through to a Semi. Longford not strong as last year.
I think Longford only have 4 or 5 of last years team still underage. Tipperary also into the semi final and according to twitter Mayo made nine changes from the win over Longford.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 11, 2014, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 11, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
That should be Cavan through to a Semi. Longford not strong as last year.
I think Longford only have 4 or 5 of last years team still underage. Tipperary also into the semi final and according to twitter Mayo made nine changes from the win over Longford.
Yeah, Robbie Smith one of their key forwards from last year is still under age and a few others but lost a good chunk of that team. Tipperary should be strong. Mayo would have been without the U21 players playing in the FBD last night. Adam Gallagher, Evan Regan etc.
Cavan were without players too, so it made it probably evens itself out.
Ros 0-08 Kildare 0-02 HT.
Kildare corner backeen black carded in injury time.
0-10 to 0-02 after 32 mins.
There must be a strong breeze.
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Calm and dry but very cold according to our spies.
0-12 to 0-05 after 40.
0-14 to 0-05 48 mins.
1-15 to 1-06 after 54 mins.
1-15 to 1-06 FT.
Well done lads.
Kildare robot malfunction?
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Ros, Tipp and Cabin through to the semis. To be joined by the best runner up unless there's some mad scoring in round three.
Well done lads. I hear from my spies that we were pretty impressive. I suppose it depends on how strong a team Kildare had out.
Syfín are we defo in the Semis? If we lose to the Westies and Kildare beat Clare will it all come down to score difference?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 11, 2014, 08:39:15 PM
Well done lads. I hear from my spies that we were pretty impressive. I suppose it depends on how strong a team Kildare had out.
Syfín are we defo in the Semis? If we lose to the Westies and Kildare beat Clare will it all come down to score difference?
Its unlikely that Roscommon or Cavan or Tipp could be caught on score difference given the amounts they've won by already.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 11, 2014, 08:39:15 PM
Well done lads. I hear from my spies that we were pretty impressive. I suppose it depends on how strong a team Kildare had out.
Syfín are we defo in the Semis? If we lose to the Westies and Kildare beat Clare will it all come down to score difference?
Technically yeah, but with the two big wins unless the other Maroons hammer us we'll be through. I assume best runner up is whoever has the most points and then if there's more than two on the same total, best points difference. Were we to lose and not end up top we'd still be in the running for that spot.
Good win for our lads, the most encouraging thing is the strength of our panel compared to this time last year, knowing our luck we'll probably get a load of injuries before the championship.
I'd say group winners are decided on head to head games.
Quote from: ross4life on January 11, 2014, 09:32:54 PM
Good win for our lads, the most encouraging thing is the strength of our panel compared to this time last year, knowing our luck we'll probably get a load of injuries before the championship.
I'd say group winners are decided on head to head games.
Was it like that in previous years? They obviously need scoring difference to help decide the best runner up at least.
Yeah scoring difference or average should sort out the best runner up. How the groups stand at the moment.
Group 1
1 Cavan Pts 4 P2 W2 L0 D0 F33 A19
2 Mayo Pts 2 P2 W1 L1 D0 F30 A29
3 Offaly Pts 2 P2 W1 L1 D0 F23 A29
4 Longford Pts 0 P2 W0 L2 D0 F25 A34
Group 2
1 Roscommon PTS 4 P2 W2 L0 D0 F43 A19
2 Kildare PTS 2 P2 W1 L1 D0 F29 A30
3 Westmeath PTS 2 P2 W1 L1 D0 F30 A34
4 Clare PTS 0 P2 W0 L2 D0 F24 A43
Group 3
1 Tipperary PTS 4 P2 W2 L0 D0 F42 A22
2 Meath PTS 4 P2 W2 L0 D0 F39 A22
3 Leitrim PTS 0 P2 W0 L2 D0 F23 A36
4 Wicklow PTS 0 P2 W0 L2 D0 F21 A45
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 11, 2014, 03:37:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 11, 2014, 03:32:08 PM
Cavan win 1-14 to 0-10.
Cavan looking good for another Ulster title. Mayo panel not as strong as some originally thought?
Well judging by today' s result, that would appear to be the case. I didn t make the game but it was clear from Austin Garvin s regular reports on radio that we were killed. He mentioned things like size, fitness and hunger. Didn't sound good.
Last week I identified some players I thought had a bright future but depth is another thing. Of the 5/6 quality players I mentioned earlier only 1 started today. The team had 8 changes from the Longford game.
Still that is what this competition is for. When it comes down to championship I d expect to be a contender if we have a midfield. Maybe other posters know what the story with midfield will be. Apparently today we were cleaned out.
Cavan had Michael Argue midfield yesterday, he is huge I'm guessing maybe 6'5". He got some game time against Derry and Kerry for the seniors last year and made a big difference. He was midfield for the u21s last yr. He is mobile and good for a few points. There won't be many better midfielders in u21 this year.
Eligible next year as well.
Cavan 2-11 Longford 1-10.
Cavan were 8 points up but Longford came back into it in last 1/4 to give score respectable look. 100% record so far for Cavan.
Ros 0-5 Westies 0-3 h/t.
Westmeath leading 1-12 to 13 entering injury time
Ros 0-13 Westmeath 1-13 FT. Late goal by Westmeath.
Are we sure the tie-breaker is head-to-head and not scoring difference? Either tie-breaker would send a different team through to the semis. Had Kildare not fluffed their lines with Clare we'd be through for sure as scoring difference would be the only way to separate a three-way tie where one team has beaten each of the others.
I would say its score difference
I can't work out a lot of things with this comp but could we see a Mayo v Ross shield final? I don't know the perms, anyone know how exactly it works.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 18, 2014, 03:43:22 PM
I can't work out a lot of things with this comp but could we see a Mayo v Ross shield final? I don't know the perms, anyone know how exactly it works.
Is their even a shield competition now? Won't happen if it was Ros-Mayo. We had Leitrim in the Hasting Shield final last year and because we were playing in the first round of Connacht the shield final never happened.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 18, 2014, 03:43:22 PM
I can't work out a lot of things with this comp but could we see a Mayo v Ross shield final? I don't know the perms, anyone know how exactly it works.
Three group winners and best runner up goes into the semi finals. The other two group runners up play in the Shield final which i think is Tipp v Mayo.
Semi-finalists are East and West Meath, Cavan and Ros (as best runner-up).
I'm told we were poor today. Leading 12- 10 at one stage and then a collapse. Midfield and defence not up to the mark my spy says.
Anybody know the semi final lineup?
Ross v Cavan , Longford venue.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
I'm told we were poor today. Leading 12- 10 at one stage and then a collapse. Midfield and defence not up to the mark my spy says.
Anybody know the semi final lineup?
Played well in midfield it was our poor defending and poor shooting that let us down. We had a few late goal chances, hit the crossbar with one of them but that result today will dampen the expectations for this team and going on todays performance its hard to see us beating Cavan next weekend.
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 04:13:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
I'm told we were poor today. Leading 12- 10 at one stage and then a collapse. Midfield and defence not up to the mark my spy says.
Anybody know the semi final lineup?
Played well in midfield it was our poor defending and poor shooting that let us down. We had a few late goal chances, hit the crossbar with one of them but that result today will dampen the expectations for this team and going on todays performance its hard to see us beating Cavan next weekend.
Good to have a second chance, though. Enda Smith came on and scored three points from play and Kevin Finn got another run-out so there are positives. We had our heads in front for the better part of 55 minutes but credit to Westmeath for contining to respond.
Ros-Cavan should do both sides good with hard provincial draws coming up.
"Ros-Cavan should do both sides good with hard provincial draws coming up."
Ahh now come on, you're not going to worry about little old mayo .
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 04:13:27 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
I'm told we were poor today. Leading 12- 10 at one stage and then a collapse. Midfield and defence not up to the mark my spy says.
Anybody know the semi final lineup?
Played well in midfield it was our poor defending and poor shooting that let us down. We had a few late goal chances, hit the crossbar with one of them but that result today will dampen the expectations for this team and going on todays performance its hard to see us beating Cavan next weekend.
Four games might be enough at this stage and let management learn the lessons and try and get us in shape for the BIG ONE v the Rhus.
I'd take a Connacht Title before a Hastings Cup any day.
Al least there won't be anyone running away with themselves now ( except for you know who of course :P)
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 04:35:51 PM
Enda Smith came on and scored three points from play and Kevin Finn got another run-out so there are positives.
Was planned to give both a few minutes & both may start next weekend. Getting Donie Smith fit for the championship will be the tricky part.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2014, 04:54:48 PM
Four games might be enough at this stage and let management learn the lessons and try and get us in shape for the BIG ONE v the Rhus.
I'd take a Connacht Title before a Hastings Cup any day.
Al least there won't be anyone running away with themselves now ( except for you know who of course :P)
I would still swap our three Hastings cups in 2007,08,09 for just one Connacht title. At least we won both in 2010. Some players may have played themselves out of the championship team today our defence should improve once Timothy,Murray,Daly return.
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
. Some players may have played themselves out of the championship team today our defence should improve once Timothy,Murray,Daly return.
I suppose that's one good purpose for the Hastings anyway.
Better to find out now rather than 20 minutes into a Championship game.
I suppose Timothy, Murray, Conor Daly, John McManus and Connaughton will be starting v the Rhus.
Midfield E Smith and.... Harney.
Forwards in no particular order - Healy, Nally, D Murtagh, D Smith hopefully, Gunning, Finn.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 18, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 08:25:55 PM
. Some players may have played themselves out of the championship team today our defence should improve once Timothy,Murray,Daly return.
I suppose that's one good purpose for the Hastings anyway.
Better to find out now rather than 20 minutes into a Championship game.
I suppose Timothy, Murray, Conor Daly, John McManus and Connaughton will be starting v the Rhus.
Midfield E Smith and.... Harney.
Forwards in no particular order - Healy, Nally, D Murtagh, D Smith hopefully, Gunning, Finn.
You've lost the plot if you do t think Corcoran will be starting. Far too early to be appointing Finn either, only has got about 15 minutes of U21 football under himself at this stage. He'll probably get a bigger opportunity against Cavan to show he's fully for again and able to contribute.
I'd prefer Nally in the middle and Harney at 11 too.
2-3 today from Regan v Offaly.
Mayo 2-10 Offaly 1-4
Quote from: moysider on January 18, 2014, 09:30:20 PM
2-3 today from Regan v Offaly.
Mayo 2-10 Offaly 1-4
An Offal lot of scoring from Regan this month, surely the Horan will be trying to talk him into a senior return?
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 09:31:57 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 18, 2014, 09:30:20 PM
2-3 today from Regan v Offaly.
Mayo 2-10 Offaly 1-4
An Offal lot of scoring from Regan this month, surely the Horan will be trying to talk him into a senior return?
Already tried.
Still its only U21 form and Regan getting plenty of ball over the next while without senior as well so its just as well he is not involved. Anyway last Autumn was the time to have him available.
The son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a first cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town. Evan knows he has another option for his senior inter county career. ;)
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 09:57:07 PM
The son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a first cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town. Evan knows he has another option for his senior inter county career. ;)
I hope someone shows him this post!
That'll sort it.
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 09:57:07 PM
The son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a first cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town. Evan knows he has another option for his senior inter county career. ;)
I knew a Mayo forward couldn't be so composed in front of goal.
Evan, come home.
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 09:57:07 PM
The son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a first cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town. Evan knows he has another option for his senior inter county career. ;)
I knew a Mayo forward couldn't be so composed in front of goal.Evan, come home.
Never hear of Cillian O Connor young man ;)
And if there is one team that Regan would not play for ........
Quote from: moysider on January 18, 2014, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 09:57:07 PM
The son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a first cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town. Evan knows he has another option for his senior inter county career. ;)
I knew a Mayo forward couldn't be so composed in front of goal.Evan, come home.
Never hear of Cillian O Connor young man ;)
And if there is one team that Regan would not play for ........
The exception that proves the rule 8)
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 18, 2014, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2014, 09:57:07 PM
The son of former Ros Gaels player Noel Regan and a first cousin to the Regans in the square in Ros town. Evan knows he has another option for his senior inter county career. ;)
I knew a Mayo forward couldn't be so composed in front of goal.Evan, come home.
Never hear of Cillian O Connor young man ;)
And if there is one team that Regan would not play for ........
The exception that proves the rule 8)
O Connor proves that the rule does not hold for all cases and is therefore not a rule at all ;)
Can Mayo and Ros's please open a new thread where they can slag each other!
Another win for Cavan yesterday with an even more experimental team than against Mayo although with a decent center to the team. They won't be happy they let Longford back into it in the 2nd half but I think a lot of substitutions were on at that stage. I expect Cavan will go out fairly strong against Ros next week to get what will be the championship team on the pitch together. No sign of Gerry Smith getting any game time yet, he would be a massive loss for the team but McVitty and Moynagh have both played a couple of half games now so hopefully will be good to go for the championship. Conor Madden is doing the damage up front but seems to start well and then fade, he will be needed for the full 70 so must keep it going. All in all this panel looks to have loads of talent and it will be a challenge for management to get the right 15 on the pitch but I have faith in that team to do just that.
Saturday 25th Jan
Hastings Shield Final
2PM Mayo v Tipperary - Keenan Park, Ardagh longford
Hastings cup semi Finals
2PM Cavan v Roscommon - Maguire Park, Ballinalee Longford
2pm Westmeath v Meath - Oliver Lynch Park, Abbeylara Longford
Should be a good competitive game. It was a great idea extending the Hastings Cup to 12 counties. Normally this time of year the final would have been last weekend after 2 group games, which was too short.
Why doesn't Even Regan play for the seniors? Couldn't be arsed poking around other threads to find out!
Quote from: omagh_gael on January 21, 2014, 07:04:24 PM
Why doesn't Even Regan play for the seniors? Couldn't be arsed poking around other threads to find out!
The answer is there.
Dropped off the panel in July last year for financial reasons after right months of training, concentrating on his studies and the Mayo U21s this year.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 20, 2014, 11:15:51 PM
Should be a good competitive game. It was a great idea extending the Hastings Cup to 12 counties. Normally this time of year the final would have been last weekend after 2 group games, which was too short.
It should be a good competitive game alright. Cavan have beaten us in the last two Hastings cup meetings 2012 a 1-11 to 1-12 & 2011 a 0-12 to 0-9 our last win in this competition against Cavan was the 2010 final 1-12 to 0-10 when Donie Shine scored 1-7.
Cavan v Roscommon switched to Newtowncashel . Throw in still the same, Sat 2pm.
Cue 20% of the people turning up to the wrong venue.
It's in an awkward spot for Cavan folk. McKenna Cup final in Enniskillen that evening. Almost two hours from Newtowncashel.
HT
Cavan 0-3 Roscommon 0-2
Meath 0-5 Westmeath 0-3
ros 0.06 cavan 0.04. Mayo 1.03 tipp 1.07
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 25, 2014, 02:40:01 PM
HT
Cavan 0-3 Roscommon 0-2
Meath 0-5 Westmeath 0-3
Must be warm in the Wesht today. Plenty of blankets.
lFT Roscommon 1-6 Cavan 0-7, latest Meath 0-7 Westmeath 0-3
Ros 1-06 Cavan 0-07 FT. Murtagh goal sealed it. The lad is special.
Deadly stuff lads, most meaningful Hastings win for us by a mile.
Mayo 1.07 Tipp 2.09 6 min to go
According to Cavan Gaa twitter cavan hit 16 wides to Roscommon's 2 which is an incredible amount of wides. I hope Cavan have learned a lot from today's game as the last few were too easy.
Late fightback by Mayo not enough FT Tipp 2-10 Mayo 2-8, Westmeath 0-5 Meath 0-8
Well done to Ros. But I feel Cavan should have had the stongest team starting. Clarke, Dillon, McVeety all key players.
Poor game played in difficult condittions, such was Cavan shooting we didn't have to play well to win today & in a game of few scores a goal was always going to win it. We were missing a good few championship starters today C Daly,D Smith,M Nally,M Healy,U Harney,M Connaughton etc..
Cavan have some good defenders/footballers & two good fielders in the middle but i hope for their sake that half of their first choice forwards were missing today.
Good to win any day in any way but we can thank Cavan's wastefulness.
We obviously weren't that bothered about winning it leaving out so many of our better lads.
I don't suppose Longford would give us a double header next Sunday?
Unlikely though at this time of the year.
Cavan kicked away the game, particularly in the first half. 16 wides to Roscommon's 2. Credit to Roscommon took their goal chance when it came and Cavan didn't have time to recover, Cavan finished with all of their main players on the field I doubt Roscommon did, which bodes well for them.
The main worry for Cavan is as it was thought before the year began, lack of scoring power. Lot of passengers today. Not one forward had an even half decent game. Don't see why they brought on Killian Clarke and stuck him at wing back. Referee was fairly poor I thought, two blatant Cavan frees towards the end were waved away and some very poor decisions for both sides throughout.
Good luck to Roscommon in the Final.
Some signs of weakness there alright Westside but thats the beauty of the Hastings cup, you get to see the weaknesses before the important stuff begins in March. Seems we need to work on our forwards for sure.
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 25, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
I'd have no problem giving them game time in the League, never mind U-21.
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 25, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
I'd have no problem giving them game time in the League, never mind U-21.
It'd be a tad desperate flinging kids into senior when they're not even making the U21 team.
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 25, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
I'd have no problem giving them game time in the League, never mind U-21.
I'd give them time to do their leaving certs first,dont ye think
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 25, 2014, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 25, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
I'd have no problem giving them game time in the League, never mind U-21.
I'd give them time to do their leaving certs first,dont ye think
That attitude sums us up perfectly.
Cillian O'Connor was YPOTY at 19 ffs.
Is this the same you Larry?
Quote from: larryin89 on January 22, 2014, 06:23:59 PM
I'm not looking for a " tear up the script " type thing like your suggesting I am.
Two changes , make room for Adam Gallagher and Evan Regan for the league campaign, if it works , go with it .
I love that aul internet era especially the way you can get to debate your passion with other passionate people but I do think there is a lot of over analysing goes on. We need a couple of scoring forwards to improve our chances of winning an all Ireland .
Adam Gallagher is someone I want to see along with Regan, but is that really all you want to try out?
AFAIK Adam Gallagher is only a year older than the other 3.
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:31:30 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 25, 2014, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 25, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
I'd have no problem giving them game time in the League, never mind U-21.
I'd give them time to do their leaving certs first,dont ye think
That attitude sums us up perfectly.
Cillian O'Connor was YPOTY at 19 ffs.
Was COC making the U21 team?
As I recall COC was carried in 2011 because Mayo were, frankly, crap at taking frees. London almost sunk you because of it. The lad was deadly on the frees but as a open play forward he was pretty damn raw that year and got marked out of most of the games he played in.
Unless you need Irwin to bang over the frees I think that's a bad example to use. If you're looking for a flier you'd be better sticking with someone like Tom King or kidnapping Evan Regan.
:-*
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:31:30 PM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 25, 2014, 11:26:00 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on January 25, 2014, 10:21:52 PM
Tbh I thought Mayo would be a lot better , after the first game against Longford , i started to get right good hopes for this team but it has proven to be quite the opposite .
Although we have a handful of excellent footballers for this grade , we had them and more last year too, I'd expect a strong Rossie to knock us clean out in the first round of the chanpionship. It's very disappointing to be consistently bad at this grade for a number of years whilst at the same time thinking there is massive potential there. We are doing something wrong at this grade , also find it strange with picking such a massive panel (43 I think) there was no room for last years minors like Irwin, docherty or tommy goals although you can understand tommy goals been left out because of Kiltanes semi final tomorrow , only to an extent though can't see why he wouldn't of been able to play in earlier games.
I'd have no problem giving them game time in the League, never mind U-21.
I'd give them time to do their leaving certs first,dont ye think
That attitude sums us up perfectly.
Cillian O'Connor was YPOTY at 19 ffs.
How many masters do you want them to serve...have
you read the reports on player burnout ffs.I think your assertion that these kids that haven't even finished
their 2nd level education should be playing for their county at three different levels is simply mad.Muppet,do you
honestly think that we haven't enough quality for our senior squad without invading our minor ranks?
Tommy goals can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4)
And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE)
Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
Tommy goals can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4)
And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE)
Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.
No-one is questioning their talent-player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.
Just looked over the Mayo teams selected in the 4 Hastings cup games, pure experimental stuff by the looks of it, some lads given a run out that won't even make it onto championship panel against us. Could be wrong but by my count only Aidan Butler,Gareth O'Donnell,Anthony Jordan started all 4 games.
You have to be careful with minors, some like C O'Connor,A O'Shea,C Daly,D Smith can make the step right away while others take longer to develop. We also had a good minor team last year that should have played Mayo in AI final but of that team only one or two will be starting on our U21 team this March.
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 26, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
Tommy goals can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4)
And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE)
Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.
Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.
Is it really?
Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?
It was our first stab at the Hastings cup and it marks a big improvement in our preparations over previous years. I wouldn't expect that we were too bothered about how it turned out and it will have levelled the playing field a bit with the Rossies who have had the advantage of playing this competition every year.
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 26, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
Tommy goals can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4)
And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE)
Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.
Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.
Is it really?
Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?
Not for the U21s, so why would they be considered for the seniors? It'd be a great way to disrespect the U21 team, certainly.
Quote from: Chimley on January 26, 2014, 12:04:31 AM
It was our first stab at the Hastings cup and it marks a big improvement in our preparations over previous years. I wouldn't expect that we were too bothered about how it turned out and it will have levelled the playing field a bit with the Rossies who have had the advantage of playing this competition every year.
Given it's made poor Larryin suicidal and pushed Muppet to disregard the U21 team in favour of Leaving Certs I'm not too sure 'levelling the playing field' is what Hastings football has done for Mayo.
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 26, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
Tommy goals can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4)
And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE)
Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.
Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.
Is it really?
Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?
Shur theres no-one burnt out in fukn January.My argument is that if 17/18yr olds
join a senior squad then they will be risking burnout because of all directions they are pulled in
Much more qualified people than me have warned against this and I've seen it happen with close family so we'll obviously agree to differ.
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 26, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 26, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
Quote from: sans pessimism on January 26, 2014, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: muppet on January 25, 2014, 11:55:36 PM
Tommy goals can play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jzFEjTNqR4)
And keep Liam Irwin this trim and he can fairly play too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTWhPYWTYCE)
Try them all, and if it works out that it is too soon, try them again in a year or two. These lads have more football in their fingernails than some of our senior forward panellists.
Player burnout is the problem....Do you honestly not see that.
Is it really?
Tell me how many games has Liam Irwin played since Breaffy lost the County Final?
Shur theres no-one burnt out in fukn January.My argument is that if 17/18yr olds
join a senior squad then they will be risking burnout because of all directions they are pulled in
Much more qualified people than me have warned against this and I've seen it happen with close family so we'll obviously agree to differ.
The Mayo County Final was in October.
So in November, December & January how many serious games has Liam Irwin played? And please explain how this contributes to player burnout.
Tommy Conroy has played for Kiltane, but even that was only a couple of games in 3 months.
Burnout is not the problem.
I'm with muppet on this one, burnout is not the issue with said players, how can it be. They have no county to play neither underage or senior and club football will not kick on till around March/ April.
JFFC I'll rephrase it....Burnout occurs when players serve at all these tables in the busy season not in January(or if ye like, December,November etc). yeer still ignoring the concern of experts for these young players
but everyone is entitled to their opinion
I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 01:05:14 AM
I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html
I wouldn't consider bookmaking or playing the stock market if I were you, Moy.
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2014, 01:11:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 01:05:14 AM
I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html
I wouldn't consider bookmaking or playing the stock market if I were you, Moy.
Yawn!
Footballer has ankle,knee, hip surgery shock!
Farmer gets gored by bull shock!
Postman gets bitten by dog horror!
Why not just ban football altogether? Or make it non contact?
And besides ....... why did you decide to make a connection between 'burnout' and hip injury? Whats that?
Moral. If those lads had gone for a few scoops after work and watched Fair City they'd be better off than playing football that gets ye hurt.
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 01:40:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2014, 01:11:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 01:05:14 AM
I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/worrying-rise-in-gaa-hip-surgery-claims-255635.html
I wouldn't consider bookmaking or playing the stock market if I were you, Moy.
Yawn!
Footballer has ankle,knee, hip surgery shock!
Farmer gets gored by bull shock!
Postman gets bitten by dog horror!
Why not just ban football altogether? Or make it non contact?
And besides ....... why did you decide to make a connection between 'burnout' and hip injury? Whats that?
Moral. If those lads had gone for a few scoops after work and watched Fair City they'd be better off than playing football that gets ye hurt.
So you reckon young lads having double hip operations barely into their twenties is a tenable situation, Moy?
The GAA will lose the battle for the hearts and minds of both parents and players if they don't make the schedule far less hostile to young players. You ignoring it won't make it any less real of an issue.
Would ye rhubarbíns ever go and open a burnout thread and lave th'oul Hastings to us and them 2 Meath bucks ( assuming they are aware they have a U21 team and that they've entered this most prestiguous of Tournaments).
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2014, 09:38:31 AM
Would ye rhubarbíns ever go and open a burnout thread and lave th'oul Hastings to us and them 2 Meath bucks ( assuming they are aware they have a U21 team and that they've entered this most prestiguous of Tournaments).
Hasting away as we speak Rottie-we'll leave this shadow boxin to yerselves.
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2014, 01:05:14 AM
I never bought into this 'burnout' theory either. Often it was used as an excuse to explain away why minors did not go on to be seniors. The reasons were nothing to do with burnout, whatever burnout is anyway. But I would accept there are issues there with training and different messages from different trainers. There is also an issue with training per game ratio and games ending up en bloc with weeks of endless training without games.
Hopefully we will eventually get a few seniors from that '13 minor team and a few good ones would be a result. Most of the quality was around the hb line and Coen already given senior status. I m not sure the forwards would make much of a dent with the U21s, let alone the seniors. But they have 2 years left at U21 and time to develop. But can't imagine any of those minor forwards with the game to get senior time now. Some defenders were dropped off the senior panel that would not give those lads a ball. For all the goals and stuff that our minor forwards scored last year, they were playing minors. A lot of those opposition backs will never play senior club, let alone senior county.
The two I mentioned have played a Senior County Final and a Connacht Intermediate Final already since last September. Irwin looked a tad unfit to me, but showed enough against Mitchels to show he can play at a higher level. There are current U-21 panellists not making their club teams. Other countries have no problem throwing in good minors the following year, as we did with O'Shea and O'Connor and it is not as if we are over burdened with quality forwards who have delivered in Croke Park in September.
Have a look in the League to see where these lads are, that's all I'm saying.
I am not bothered they didn't make the U-21 squad, IMHO the U-21 performance this week tells it's own tale.
Tommy Conroy is doing his leaving cert this year and has just got through to the All-Ireland Intermediate Club Final with Kiltane.
He'll likely have inter-county U21 to focus on as well. That's plenty for a fella still in school to concentrate on for now.
If he's still going well after U21 championship, then they can look at bringing him into senior panel, now is not the time.
Quote from: Tubberman on January 26, 2014, 03:25:05 PM
Tommy Conroy is doing his leaving cert this year and has just got through to the All-Ireland Intermediate Club Final with Kiltane.
He'll likely have inter-county U21 to focus on as well. That's plenty for a fella still in school to concentrate on for now.
If he's still going well after U21 championship, then they can look at bringing him into senior panel, now is not the time.
Great win for Kiltane.
If you are good enough you are old enough.
All I am talking about is giving these lads maybe 40 mins each in one League Game. If only one of them steps up to the plate it will have been worth it. Irwin is probably the guy physically most able to the step up, if he is willing to put in the time required. He was also a left footed free-taker for the minors, a serious problem area for the seniors. It doesn't bode well when he doesn't seem to be involved even at U-21.
The last time we won the U21 in 2006 we had five players just out of minor and in central positions too. Cafferky at FB, Cunniffe at CHB, SOS at midfield. Throw in Chris Barrett at half back and Aiden Campbell at half forward too. The early introduction to the U21 team didn't do any of those lads any harm. No sign of burnout for four of the five, eight years on.
Quote from: Chimley on January 26, 2014, 07:38:30 PM
The last time we won the U21 in 2006 we had five players just out of minor and in central positions too. Cafferky at FB, Cunniffe at CHB, SOS at midfield. Throw in Chris Barrett at half back and Aiden Campbell at half forward too. The early introduction to the U21 team didn't do any of those lads any harm. No sign of burnout for four of the five, eight years on.
And those lads, while obviously very good minors, didn't win a minor All-Ireland. The 2013 lads did, and where are they?
Ros 0-13 Meath 1-03 FT.
Meath had the big wind advantage in the second half but our lads held them to only two points, HT was 0-10 to 1-01. Well done lads, and with key players injured or being saved for Longford tomorrow too.
Let the Mayo poor mouthing commence ;)
Couldn't make it due to work reasons. :(
Well done lads.
Now start preparing for the real thing v the Rhuibíns.
And well done to Fuerty on beating a team from KERRY in the Club Semi Final.
Croker next Sunday I believe.
Congrats to our lads first Hastings cup we have won since 2010. Fairly experimental side again today, F Kelly (midfielder/half forward) playing CHB,Fintan Sweeney (a forward) playing wing half back and D Murtagh,C Daly,N Nally all rested for tomorrows NFL game. Enda Smith,Kevin Finn finding their fitness and hopefully we can get Donie Smith fit in the next few weeks.
All the focus on March 12th now with a major hurdle to jump.
Congrats to Roscommon on winning the U-21 equivalent of the FBD League. Quite telling that the first two posters focussed on Mayo in their posts, just can't shake off the jealousy/bitterness/inferiority complex....
Quote from: Tubberman on February 01, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
Congrats to Roscommon on winning the U-21 equivalent of the FBD League. Quite telling that the first two posters focussed on Mayo in their posts, just can't shake off the jealousy/bitterness/inferiority complex....
You don't have much experience with the poor mouthing against Roscommon, do you? Still got a month to get the tone right!
Quote from: Syferus on February 01, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 01, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
Congrats to Roscommon on winning the U-21 equivalent of the FBD League. Quite telling that the first two posters focussed on Mayo in their posts, just can't shake off the jealousy/bitterness/inferiority complex....
You don't have much experience with the poor mouthing against Roscommon, do you? Still got a month to get the tone right!
Never had a need to play the poor mouth against Roscommon.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 01, 2014, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 01, 2014, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on February 01, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
Congrats to Roscommon on winning the U-21 equivalent of the FBD League. Quite telling that the first two posters focussed on Mayo in their posts, just can't shake off the jealousy/bitterness/inferiority complex....
You don't have much experience with the poor mouthing against Roscommon, do you? Still got a month to get the tone right!
Never had a need to play the poor mouth against Roscommon.
Acceptance is the second stage of grief. You're getting there.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 01, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
Congrats to Roscommon on winning the U-21 equivalent of the FBD League.
Wouldn't really compare the two but i see what you are getting at, closer to the NFL IMO. Must be said fair play to Longford GAA on well run underage competition that should get even bigger next year. Connacht GAA could learn a thing or two & improve FBD thats well past its sell by date.
Are Mayo entering in this for 2015?
No need for new thread the OP can change the title/subject..
Laois,Kerry,Monaghan & our neighbours Galway are the four new teams added to this competition in 2015
Group 1
Longford,Galway
Kildare,Tipperary
Group 2
Cavan,Kerry
Roscommon,Meath
Group 3
Wicklow,Westmeath
Mayo,Monaghan
Group 4
Clare,Offaly
Leitrim,Laois
Round 1 games (All Saturday Jan 3rd 2pm but some of these venues might change)
Longford V Galway - Clonbonny
Tipperary V Kildare -Dr Morris park
Roscommon V Kerry - Gort
Cavan v Meath - O Reilly park
Westmeath v Mayo - St Lomans
Monaghan v Wicklow - TBC
Leitrim V Clare - Pairc Sean mac
Laois v Offaly - McCann Park
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The 4 group winners will advance to the cup semi finals. The 4 group runners up will play in the shield semi finals.
Be god, its really going nation wide with the likes of Kerry entering.
And Roscommon will still beat Cavan when it matters too. Merry Christmas, Itchy!
Happy Christmas Syferus, may all your dreams come true?
Is that Cavan v Meath game in Cootehill? Might go for a look.
Christ we have a group of death there!
Quote from: Syferus on December 24, 2014, 01:03:37 PM
And Roscommon will still beat Cavan when it matters too. Merry Christmas, Itchy!
At least there's no Dublin there,so you won't have to worry about embarrassing yourselves again.
I think Paul Mannion just put over another score while i was typing this.
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
Indiana, can't agree with you on this. The U21 championship is on in a few months, all the teams are training for it right now. This tournament does not increase the level of training/commitment in preparation for the provincial championships so how exactly could be said it is contributing to player burnout. That's just a sound bite without any actual evidence to back it up.
As for being a Mickey Mouse tournament, sure it is. Its a warm up to what is to come and no one (except Syferus) will be running around with excitement if they win this tournament and flop in the u21 championship. However, it is a valuable tournament and you get to play against good teams all who are getting up to fitness levels. I think any U21 team not playing in such a tournament is doing themselves a disservice in terms of preparation. When you see Kerry & Mayo joining in the last two years you can see that serious teams think this is worth playing in and it has also been a good barometer of form over the past years with Longford, Cavan and Roscommon going well in the tournament and went on to do well in their provinces.
IMO this competition is one of the best run/organised the GAA have, credit to the longford GAA for that and it's going from strength to strength each year. I like the current format something the NFL could copy to freshen up. Burnout issues are forever debatable it might help if club competitions were finished in the calender year and I can't speak for O Byrne cup,McKenna cup but the FBD contributes very little to the GAA season.
Quote from: ross4life on December 24, 2014, 06:57:35 PM
IMO this competition is one of the best run/organised the GAA have, credit to the longford GAA for that and it's going from strength to strength each year. I like the current format something the NFL could copy to freshen up. Burnout issues are forever debatable it might help if club competitions were finished in the calender year and I can't speak for O Byrne cup,McKenna cup but the FBD contributes very little to the GAA season.
I agree and would go further that the FBD is actually pointless. Scrap it would be my suggestion.
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 24, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
Indiana, can't agree with you on this. The U21 championship is on in a few months, all the teams are training for it right now. This tournament does not increase the level of training/commitment in preparation for the provincial championships so how exactly could be said it is contributing to player burnout. That's just a sound bite without any actual evidence to back it up.
As for being a Mickey Mouse tournament, sure it is. Its a warm up to what is to come and no one (except Syferus) will be running around with excitement if they win this tournament and flop in the u21 championship. However, it is a valuable tournament and you get to play against good teams all who are getting up to fitness levels. I think any U21 team not playing in such a tournament is doing themselves a disservice in terms of preparation. When you see Kerry & Mayo joining in the last two years you can see that serious teams think this is worth playing in and it has also been a good barometer of form over the past years with Longford, Cavan and Roscommon going well in the tournament and went on to do well in their provinces.
Its nothing more then a challenge game circuit when lads are training at senor inter level and at Sigerson level at the same time. A complete waste of time and as I said just puts more pressure on already under pressure players. We don't bother playing in it for that reason.
u21 players are the most abused players in the GAA-. Its no wonder so many are never heard of again after u21 level
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 24, 2014, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
Indiana, can't agree with you on this. The U21 championship is on in a few months, all the teams are training for it right now. This tournament does not increase the level of training/commitment in preparation for the provincial championships so how exactly could be said it is contributing to player burnout. That's just a sound bite without any actual evidence to back it up.
As for being a Mickey Mouse tournament, sure it is. Its a warm up to what is to come and no one (except Syferus) will be running around with excitement if they win this tournament and flop in the u21 championship. However, it is a valuable tournament and you get to play against good teams all who are getting up to fitness levels. I think any U21 team not playing in such a tournament is doing themselves a disservice in terms of preparation. When you see Kerry & Mayo joining in the last two years you can see that serious teams think this is worth playing in and it has also been a good barometer of form over the past years with Longford, Cavan and Roscommon going well in the tournament and went on to do well in their provinces.
Its nothing more then a challenge game circuit when lads are training at senor inter level and at Sigerson level at the same time. A complete waste of time and as I said just puts more pressure on already under pressure players. We don't bother playing in it for that reason.
u21 players are the most abused players in the GAA-. Its no wonder so many are never heard of again after u21 level
That could be proved incorrect with most of the top sides the last 30 years.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Yes because that's what every player dreams of. Lifting an Ireland with dozens of his countymen cheering him on and sharing in the joy....
Cavan U21s don't train with the Seniors and only play Senior football once the U21 season has ended. So there's no added pressure. I assume you've never been to a game, I've seen Cavan duke it out with the Rossies and Longford in a few games and nobody would dare call it a challenge game. The county where Sam currently resides have joined the list of teams entering.. But sure what would they know I suppose.
Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 24, 2014, 06:57:35 PM
IMO this competition is one of the best run/organised the GAA have, credit to the longford GAA for that and it's going from strength to strength each year. I like the current format something the NFL could copy to freshen up. Burnout issues are forever debatable it might help if club competitions were finished in the calender year and I can't speak for O Byrne cup,McKenna cup but the FBD contributes very little to the GAA season.
I agree and would go further that the FBD is actually pointless. Scrap it would be my suggestion.
I was looking for you outside 8pm mass in Kilmovee, Larryin. What did you make of Fr. Vincent's bongo playing altogether?
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Yes because that's what every player dreams of. Lifting an Ireland with dozens of his countymen cheering him on and sharing in the joy....
Cavan U21s don't train with the Seniors and only play Senior football once the U21 season has ended. So there's no added pressure. I assume you've never been to a game, I've seen Cavan duke it out with the Rossies and Longford in a few games and nobody would dare call it a challenge game. The county where Sam currently resides have joined the list of teams entering.. But sure what would they know I suppose.
The county that knows how to win u21 championships doesn't play in it ;).
But by all means pray continue playing in it.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 25, 2014, 02:04:29 AM
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Yes because that's what every player dreams of. Lifting an Ireland with dozens of his countymen cheering him on and sharing in the joy....
Cavan U21s don't train with the Seniors and only play Senior football once the U21 season has ended. So there's no added pressure. I assume you've never been to a game, I've seen Cavan duke it out with the Rossies and Longford in a few games and nobody would dare call it a challenge game. The county where Sam currently resides have joined the list of teams entering.. But sure what would they know I suppose.
The county that knows how to win u21 championships doesn't play in it ;).
But by all means pray continue playing in it.
Dublin have been good the last few years, so now they're on what... 4 titles? Level with Mayo and Tyrone. Only 7 behind Cork.
They've been good as multiples of millions has been injected into them by the GAA while everyone else does what they can with their own resources. Its not a level playing field and even with that they needed the ref to win last years semi, a ref who hasn't been seen since.
Quote from: Syferus on December 25, 2014, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 24, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 24, 2014, 06:57:35 PM
IMO this competition is one of the best run/organised the GAA have, credit to the longford GAA for that and it's going from strength to strength each year. I like the current format something the NFL could copy to freshen up. Burnout issues are forever debatable it might help if club competitions were finished in the calender year and I can't speak for O Byrne cup,McKenna cup but the FBD contributes very little to the GAA season.
I agree and would go further that the FBD is actually pointless. Scrap it would be my suggestion.
I was looking for you outside 8pm mass in Kilmovee, Larryin. What did you make of Fr. Vincent's bongo playing altogether?
You have me now syf but you'd be more likely to catch me in the four ways just below the church . Call in next time and I'll stand you a point , always GAA talk on the go.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 25, 2014, 02:04:29 AM
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Yes because that's what every player dreams of. Lifting an Ireland with dozens of his countymen cheering him on and sharing in the joy....
Cavan U21s don't train with the Seniors and only play Senior football once the U21 season has ended. So there's no added pressure. I assume you've never been to a game, I've seen Cavan duke it out with the Rossies and Longford in a few games and nobody would dare call it a challenge game. The county where Sam currently resides have joined the list of teams entering.. But sure what would they know I suppose.
The county that knows how to win u21 championships doesn't play in it ;).
But by all means pray continue playing in it.
Yes sure what would a county like Galway know about winning underage titles.. And when was the last time Kerry won anything at underage, or Cavan or Roscommon..
Who knows we might get the funding that Dublin have at some stage and compete that way. Maybe they could fund a few buses for the Dublin supporters this year, the 100 or so that travel to the All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals look a bit lonely...
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 25, 2014, 02:04:29 AM
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Yes because that's what every player dreams of. Lifting an Ireland with dozens of his countymen cheering him on and sharing in the joy....
Cavan U21s don't train with the Seniors and only play Senior football once the U21 season has ended. So there's no added pressure. I assume you've never been to a game, I've seen Cavan duke it out with the Rossies and Longford in a few games and nobody would dare call it a challenge game. The county where Sam currently resides have joined the list of teams entering.. But sure what would they know I suppose.
The county that knows how to win u21 championships doesn't play in it ;).
But by all means pray continue playing in it.
Yes sure what would a county like Galway know about winning underage titles.. And when was the last time Kerry won anything at underage, or Cavan or Roscommon..
Who knows we might get the funding that Dublin have at some stage and compete that way. Maybe they could fund a few buses for the Dublin supporters this year, the 100 or so that travel to the All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals look a bit lonely...
Maybe they could use the funding to teach you how to play Gaelic Football properly. If you need any help give me a shout ;)- I won't even charge you.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 25, 2014, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 25, 2014, 02:04:29 AM
Quote from: Westside on December 25, 2014, 12:50:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on December 24, 2014, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition that should have been scrapped a long time ago that only contributes towards player burnout
The actual U21 Championship must be seen as fairly Mickey Mouse by Dublin supporters going by the support brought to their games.
Great little competition and the likes of Kerry and Galway entering shows how well respected it is nationally, it's a decent barometer for the Championship itself.
Far better to be winning u21 all irelands as often as we are then worrying about how many fans are there
Yes because that's what every player dreams of. Lifting an Ireland with dozens of his countymen cheering him on and sharing in the joy....
Cavan U21s don't train with the Seniors and only play Senior football once the U21 season has ended. So there's no added pressure. I assume you've never been to a game, I've seen Cavan duke it out with the Rossies and Longford in a few games and nobody would dare call it a challenge game. The county where Sam currently resides have joined the list of teams entering.. But sure what would they know I suppose.
The county that knows how to win u21 championships doesn't play in it ;).
But by all means pray continue playing in it.
Yes sure what would a county like Galway know about winning underage titles.. And when was the last time Kerry won anything at underage, or Cavan or Roscommon..
Who knows we might get the funding that Dublin have at some stage and compete that way. Maybe they could fund a few buses for the Dublin supporters this year, the 100 or so that travel to the All Ireland Semi Finals and Finals look a bit lonely...
Maybe they could use the funding to teach you how to play Gaelic Football properly. If you need any help give me a shout ;)- I won't even charge you.
It took some dodgy refereeing for Dublin to beat those so-called anti-footballers.
Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Still don't follow. When Cavan play on the weekend on the 6th are you saying Dublin will be taking a break and doing nothing? Seems to me Cavan will be running around a field somewhere and Dublin will be doing the same somewhere else. Just because Cavan's game is part of a tournament it make no difference in terms of demands on young players. I hear all your points but to me they are more points against the U21 grade in general rather than the Hastings Cup in particular.
And no, no one really cares who wins the Hastings cup at the end of the year but it is interesting to compare the teams that have done well in it with the teams who do well in the provincial U21s.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Still don't follow. When Cavan play on the weekend on the 6th are you saying Dublin will be taking a break and doing nothing? Seems to me Cavan will be running around a field somewhere and Dublin will be doing the same somewhere else. Just because Cavan's game is part of a tournament it make no difference in terms of demands on young players. I hear all your points but to me they are more points against the U21 grade in general rather than the Hastings Cup in particular.
And no, no one really cares who wins the Hastings cup at the end of the year but it is interesting to compare the teams that have done well in it with the teams who do well in the provincial U21s.
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
An awful lot of county U21 players will not be on sigerson teams.
1 - they might not be in college
2 - their colleges have too many big names studying there
3 - they aren't good enough
4 - they opt out due to final year pressures or they are on fresher teams
5 - they develop later as players and so are not on the radar of their college
Plus most counties under 21 club championships do not involve very many games
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on December 26, 2014, 02:25:19 PM
An awful lot of county U21 players will not be on sigerson teams.
1 - they might not be in college
2 - their colleges have too many big names studying there
3 - they aren't good enough
4 - they opt out due to final year pressures or they are on fresher teams
5 - they develop later as players and so are not on the radar of their college
Plus most counties under 21 club championships do not involve very many games
In the modern game for the top 8-10 counties none of the above apply
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Still don't follow. When Cavan play on the weekend on the 6th are you saying Dublin will be taking a break and doing nothing? Seems to me Cavan will be running around a field somewhere and Dublin will be doing the same somewhere else. Just because Cavan's game is part of a tournament it make no difference in terms of demands on young players. I hear all your points but to me they are more points against the U21 grade in general rather than the Hastings Cup in particular.
And no, no one really cares who wins the Hastings cup at the end of the year but it is interesting to compare the teams that have done well in it with the teams who do well in the provincial U21s.
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
Fair enough but again not relevant to the claim you made about the Hastings cup, it applies to the wider U21 grade. Care to change your opinion in singling out this tournament as a cause of burnout?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on December 26, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Still don't follow. When Cavan play on the weekend on the 6th are you saying Dublin will be taking a break and doing nothing? Seems to me Cavan will be running around a field somewhere and Dublin will be doing the same somewhere else. Just because Cavan's game is part of a tournament it make no difference in terms of demands on young players. I hear all your points but to me they are more points against the U21 grade in general rather than the Hastings Cup in particular.
And no, no one really cares who wins the Hastings cup at the end of the year but it is interesting to compare the teams that have done well in it with the teams who do well in the provincial U21s.
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
Fair enough but again not relevant to the claim you made about the Hastings cup, it applies to the wider U21 grade. Care to change your opinion in singling out this tournament as a cause of burnout?
No not at all. Its another waste of time competition that isn't required in the GAA calendar.
As I said by not playing in it we do 50% less collective training sessions and matches then other counties and we still win AI titles. And if we don't win the u21 AI it won't be because we didn't play in the Hastings Cup.
u21 is a stepping stone to senior level at best- creating unecessary competiitons like the Hastings Cup that contributes towards burn-out in young players is a complete no-no for me.
The Hastings Cup is no less important than the Sigerson League, which is played during the time the actual Sigerson Cup should be played
Arbitrary attack on a group of tournaments when the real demon is a broken calendar.
Quote from: Syferus on December 26, 2014, 03:37:32 PM
The Hastings Cup is no less important than the Sigerson League, which is played during the time the actual Sigerson Cup should be played
Arbitrary attack on a group of tournaments when the real demon is a broken calendar.
Most of the county players don't play in the Sigerson League. A lot of them play in this. But the Sigerson League should also be scrapped and even Niall Moyna has said the same.
So in short I agree both the Hastings Cup and the Sigerson Cup should be scrapped because there is no need for them when you're pulling from the same pool of players who are playing enough as it is
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
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Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Still don't follow. When Cavan play on the weekend on the 6th are you saying Dublin will be taking a break and doing nothing? Seems to me Cavan will be running around a field somewhere and Dublin will be doing the same somewhere else. Just because Cavan's game is part of a tournament it make no difference in terms of demands on young players. I hear all your points but to me they are more points against the U21 grade in general rather than the Hastings Cup in particular.
And no, no one really cares who wins the Hastings cup at the end of the year but it is interesting to compare the teams that have done well in it with the teams who do well in the provincial U21s.
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
Has it got to do with fixing all the Dublin games in the same location regardless of who the opposition is?..
Also can I ask how you can keep calling the games Mickey Mouse Challenges etc. despite never having been at a game?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on December 26, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
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Indiana - leaving the silly slagging aside. I dont get your point on the Hastings cup contributing to burn out. Now if you made the case of the U21 grade contributing as a whole I could understand that but the Hastings cup you will need to explain to me. For example, on the weekend of the 5th Cavan will play their first game. I've no doubt that Dublin or any other team not in the tournament will be training or maybe playing an in house game that same weekend. Can you elaborate on your point please?
It's extra matches over-worked players don't need to play in. 90% of last year's Dublin u21 squad were playing Sigerson Football.
People don't seem to realise that these guys are serving a number of teams and you can't have any joined up thinking between them playing mickey mouse challenge matches for 2-3 different teams on poor pitches in poor weather conditions when every manager is insisting these games are crucial in a team's preparation.
Throw in exams, college course-work etc. You don't want to be travelling half the country every weekend with a bunch of tired players playing on heavy pitches in poor weather conditions when they already have to serve their University during the week. that's a recipe for disaster in my view.
Dublin target specific weekends for challenge games which is very few in number and largely rely on in house games. Any game versus the likes of Vincent's, Ballymun senior football team will be the equal of any u21 team in the country. So we don't have to travel any distance for it.
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
u21 is on its last legs. Its actually an imposition for a lot of our u21 players because it denies them the chance to play in the NFL for the senior side. By the time April comes round its too late and they'll be waiting till next year to get a chance.
Still don't follow. When Cavan play on the weekend on the 6th are you saying Dublin will be taking a break and doing nothing? Seems to me Cavan will be running around a field somewhere and Dublin will be doing the same somewhere else. Just because Cavan's game is part of a tournament it make no difference in terms of demands on young players. I hear all your points but to me they are more points against the U21 grade in general rather than the Hastings Cup in particular.
And no, no one really cares who wins the Hastings cup at the end of the year but it is interesting to compare the teams that have done well in it with the teams who do well in the provincial U21s.
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
Has it got to do with fixing all the Dublin games in the same location regardless of who the opposition is?..
Also can I ask how you can keep calling the games Mickey Mouse Challenges etc. despite never having been at a game?
Because its a Mickey Mouse competiiton where half the teams are only at half strength.
I'm involved at Sigerson Level so i'm aware of how seriously its taken. For some counties like Roscommon and Cavan its like winning an AI title. For others they use it for giving extended panelists games.
Probably why the winners of the competition rarely come from this.
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A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
Hmm the sudden improvement for Dublin at this grade would say different. I would say these three competitive games would be more of benefit than thirty challenge games.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 12:36:18 PM
I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
i can remember the last ten winners but then again my memory on competitions like this would be better than most. which Roscommon lads are talking it up like the AI championship? we are div 2 team and won Connacht senior title in 2010. enough of the bs when trying to put a point across INDIANA.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
Because its a Mickey Mouse competiiton where half the teams are only at half strength.
I'm involved at Sigerson Level so i'm aware of how seriously its taken. For some counties like Roscommon and Cavan its like winning an AI title. For others they use it for giving extended panelists games.
Are you really this misinformed or taking the piss? both ourselves and Cavan used our extended panels in games as everyone else does. You can read back on the posts in this thread for proof! if you are too lazy to read back i can tell you we used 35 players in this competition this year & in the Hastings cup final against Meath the likes of D Murtagh,C Daly,M Nally,D Smith played no part all senior panelists i might add.
the competition is mostly used to find which lads are likely or unlikely to make the step up.
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u21 is on its last legs.
Now i find that extraordinary comment. I have been following the u-21 grade for a number of decades now it is far from on its last legs, the crowds that goes to games and general interest (outside of Dublin) is as high as its ever been. I can't say the same about the Sigerson cup poor crowds lack of interest likewise with the FBD Connacht league & Railway cup.
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A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
Hmm the sudden improvement for Dublin at this grade would say different. I would say these three competitive games would be more of benefit than thirty challenge games.
I would say Dublin's u21 championship side will get one full practice game prior to the championship.
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Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
Hmm the sudden improvement for Dublin at this grade would say different. I would say these three competitive games would be more of benefit than thirty challenge games.
I would say Dublin's u21 championship side will get one full practice game prior to the championship.
As in with the full "First Team(TM)" training? How many
other 'practice' matches will they have played?
You'd swear every other county bar Dublin had their senior panelists playing every U21 match under the sun.
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I mean who actually remembers who wins the Hastings Cup at the end of the year? The way it's spoken about here by the Roscommon lads you'd swear it was the AI Championship. Coming from a Div 3 Team who can't win a Connacht Senior Championship I find that extraordinary.
i can remember the last ten winners but then again my memory on competitions like this would be better than most. which Roscommon lads are talking it up like the AI championship? we are div 2 team and won Connacht senior title in 2010. enough of the bs when trying to put a point across INDIANA.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 07:00:45 PM
Because its a Mickey Mouse competiiton where half the teams are only at half strength.
I'm involved at Sigerson Level so i'm aware of how seriously its taken. For some counties like Roscommon and Cavan its like winning an AI title. For others they use it for giving extended panelists games.
Are you really this misinformed or taking the piss? both ourselves and Cavan used our extended panels in games as everyone else does. You can read back on the posts in this thread for proof! if you are too lazy to read back i can tell you we used 35 players in this competition this year & in the Hastings cup final against Meath the likes of D Murtagh,C Daly,M Nally,D Smith played no part all senior panelists i might add.
the competition is mostly used to find which lads are likely or unlikely to make the step up.
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u21 is on its last legs.
Now i find that extraordinary comment. I have been following the u-21 grade for a number of decades now it is far from on its last legs, the crowds that goes to games and general interest (outside of Dublin) is as high as its ever been. I can't say the same about the Sigerson cup poor crowds lack of interest likewise with the FBD Connacht league & Railway cup.
On point 1 with all due respect one connacht title at senior level is a really poor return when you consider some of your underage players talent and having a club side like Brigis around.. Really poor. I was surprised you didn't make a change at senior level. No point in sugar coating either that's the bottom line.
Point 2- You've made my point for me. Its a challenge game circuit- and a poor one at that.
Point 3- Sigerson is a better standard in my view and people from weaker counties playing with the best in the country for a couple of months can make serious improvements in their game.
Lad like Conor Mc Graynor from Wicklow who is one of DCU's strike forwards is unrecognisable from the gangly awakward kid tha walked in the gates a couple of years. He got training at a level he will never attain with the current Wicklow team.
My view overall it's what best suits the player and in my view a lot of the subsidiary competitions have to go. The Sigerson League and the Hastings Cup being two.
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Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
Hmm the sudden improvement for Dublin at this grade would say different. I would say these three competitive games would be more of benefit than thirty challenge games.
I would say Dublin's u21 championship side will get one full practice game prior to the championship.
As in with the full "First Team(TM)" training? How many other 'practice' matches will they have played?
You'd swear every other county bar Dublin had their senior panelists playing every U21 match under the sun.
Read my lips. The full Dublin u21 side that started the first round of the Leinster championship last year got not one practice game beforehand. Not one. They trained twice together as a squad beforehand. And that was the week of the game.
Any practice games were with weakened sides and they largely relied on in -house games besides that. Senior panelists didn't join them till the week of the game. That was two thirds of the starting 15 came straight into the side
The challenge in Leinster is so crap that most Hastings cup games would be more competitive. Dublin have there challenge games all linef up for them. Then they have the money, the venues and the referee s sown up too. Not to mention croke park wetting themselves with excitement. Pity few of the fans wouldn't show up mind you.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
On point 1 with all due respect one connacht title at senior level is a really poor return when you consider some of your underage players talent and having a club side like Brigis around.. Really poor. I was surprised you didn't make a change at senior level. No point in sugar coating either that's the bottom line.
Jaysus what do you make of Galway so whom have won as many U-21 All Irelands as Dublin but havent won a Connacht senior title since 2008. You must consider who has been winning all the Connacht senior titles since, Mayo who are a top 3 side in Ireland & for the record in 2 of our last 3 Connacht senior games we got within one score of them.
As for the Brigids point how much did Carlow win when Eire Og were the best club side in Leinster? you need more than one really good club team to help out the county side, we now have a few good club sides on the rise so that improvement should come & one of those sides has so much potential that one of your own county men has chosen to manage here.
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Point 2- You've made my point for me. Its a challenge game circuit- and a poor one at that.
Your point is mostly based on burnout & your dislike for this competition you know little about. I corrected you on your misinformed information. How would you know if its poor or not i doubt you attended any Hastings cup game? The NFL is also used for extended panelists which you could say is the challenges before the championship, TBH i think NFL needs to be freshen up again & the hastings cup format is something the HQ could look at.
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Point 3- Sigerson is a better standard in my view and people from weaker counties playing with the best in the country for a couple of months can make serious improvements in their game.
Simliar standard IMO & i know full well on both competitions as many Rossies are involved in both. As been said already the Sigerson cup should probably be played in November or December instead of Feb but will this ever come into place though?
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A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
Hmm the sudden improvement for Dublin at this grade would say different. I would say these three competitive games would be more of benefit than thirty challenge games.
I would say Dublin's u21 championship side will get one full practice game prior to the championship.
As in with the full "First Team(TM)" training? How many other 'practice' matches will they have played?
You'd swear every other county bar Dublin had their senior panelists playing every U21 match under the sun.
Read my lips. The full Dublin u21 side that started the first round of the Leinster championship last year got not one practice game beforehand. Not one. They trained twice together as a squad beforehand. And that was the week of the game.
Any practice games were with weakened sides and they largely relied on in -house games besides that. Senior panelists didn't join them till the week of the game. That was two thirds of the starting 15 came straight into the side
So how would these games contribute to player burnout if only fringe players participate? Surely it's an opportunity for guys who are borderline to get a shot??
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Quote from: INDIANA on December 24, 2014, 06:03:41 PM
A mickey mouse competition.
Does the sucessful team win a trip to Disney land? for example Wicklow,Clare might only get one U-21 championship game surely a competition like this with three extra competitive games should help in their development for future senior players.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 02:05:07 PM
I'd say Dublin do less then 50% of the amount of collective training then others at this level. Each to their own but it's a template that's working and it's nothing to do with funding either.
I doubt that. From one U-21 All Ireland to three in five years, i'd say a more focused effort and more money spent on this grade has delivered more success for Dublin.
3 u21 challenge games will turn an u21 into a senior- hmmmm- I'll leave that one go.
There isn't a more focused effort at u21 level. Dessie would be lucky to see his senior panelists at training the week of a championship game
Hmm the sudden improvement for Dublin at this grade would say different. I would say these three competitive games would be more of benefit than thirty challenge games.
I would say Dublin's u21 championship side will get one full practice game prior to the championship.
As in with the full "First Team(TM)" training? How many other 'practice' matches will they have played?
You'd swear every other county bar Dublin had their senior panelists playing every U21 match under the sun.
Read my lips. The full Dublin u21 side that started the first round of the Leinster championship last year got not one practice game beforehand. Not one. They trained twice together as a squad beforehand. And that was the week of the game.
Any practice games were with weakened sides and they largely relied on in -house games besides that. Senior panelists didn't join them till the week of the game. That was two thirds of the starting 15 came straight into the side
So how would these games contribute to player burnout if only fringe players participate? Surely it's an opportunity for guys who are borderline to get a shot??
Because its the same pool of players who are also playing university games, club games and having to build their bodies up to play Gaelic Football in the modern era. Quite often it's us who end up giving the players time off. I'm not even going to get into some of the conversations I've had with some of the knuckle head inter county managers out there who flog players into the ground.
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Quote from: INDIANA on December 26, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
On point 1 with all due respect one connacht title at senior level is a really poor return when you consider some of your underage players talent and having a club side like Brigis around.. Really poor. I was surprised you didn't make a change at senior level. No point in sugar coating either that's the bottom line.
Jaysus what do you make of Galway so whom have won as many U-21 All Irelands as Dublin but havent won a Connacht senior title since 2008. You must consider who has been winning all the Connacht senior titles since, Mayo who are a top 3 side in Ireland & for the record in 2 of our last 3 Connacht senior games we got within one score of them.
As for the Brigids point how much did Carlow win when Eire Og were the best club side in Leinster? you need more than one really good club team to help out the county side, we now have a few good club sides on the rise so that improvement should come & one of those sides has so much potential that one of your own county men has chosen to manage here.
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Point 2- You've made my point for me. Its a challenge game circuit- and a poor one at that.
Your point is mostly based on burnout & your dislike for this competition you know little about. I corrected you on your misinformed information. How would you know if its poor or not i doubt you attended any Hastings cup game? The NFL is also used for extended panelists which you could say is the challenges before the championship, TBH i think NFL needs to be freshen up again & the hastings cup format is something the HQ could look at.
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Point 3- Sigerson is a better standard in my view and people from weaker counties playing with the best in the country for a couple of months can make serious improvements in their game.
Simliar standard IMO & i know full well on both competitions as many Rossies are involved in both. As been said already the Sigerson cup should probably be played in November or December instead of Feb but will this ever come into place though?
The Sigerson Cup can't be moved because counties insist on not playing club competiitons in the summer therefore they don't finish till November. Players have to get some time off as well. So they'd clash.
Quite possible in 10 years the Sigerson Cup won't exist any longer because of county managers. A lot of whom really haven't a clue how to train teams properly.
But it's getting too hard to get players released and if it gets to the stage that it's becoming too much for players I'd prefer to see it go rather than cause anymore damage to them.
However these subsidiary competitions in my view won't last much longer either. Players are now finished their best football at county level at 28 because of the workload involved. A lot of whom have their best football played by age 23. There is only so many years the human body can train and play 12 months of the year like the current crew of 18-23 olds can.
But travelling 100 miles to play challenge matches having already played 2 games that week and then having to travel another 50 miles back to college isn't a condusive way for any sportsman to live IMO.
Maybe scrap the Sigerson so, does anyone really care about it?
Quote from: macdanger2 on December 27, 2014, 12:58:16 PM
Maybe scrap the Sigerson so, does anyone really care about it?
Bar the players I'd say no.
Big problem if you scrap the Sigerson is that players won't get GAA Scholarships anymore as there will be no need for them.
As a result a lot of players will have to retire from Inter county football even younger then they do now because they will have to work to fund their studies like most students
I'd imagine the percentage of players in that bracket is fairly small.
Anyway, plenty of players aren't students but still have time to play & train
The vast majority of Sigerson players aren't on scholarships. Nevermind U21 players. College is extremely affordable in Ireland compared to almost any other country in the world with SUSI and fees that are largely paid by the State regardless. We're not talking about big student loans here.
The scholarships are a nice benefit for some of the lucky few who get them but not having them would in no way artifically shorten any player's IC career.
If Indiana is against it - then I'm all for keeping the Hastings Cup competition. ;D He seems to be against everything these days.
Long may Hastings last.
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
The vast majority of Sigerson players aren't on scholarships. Nevermind U21 players. College is extremely affordable in Ireland compared to almost any other country in the world with SUSI and fees that are largely paid by the State regardless. We're not talking about big student loans here.
The scholarships are a nice benefit for some of the lucky few who get them but not having them would in no way artifically shorten any player's IC career.
Completely wrong unfortunately. Are you really going to argue with someone who works in the sector?
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
The vast majority of Sigerson players aren't on scholarships. Nevermind U21 players. College is extremely affordable in Ireland compared to almost any other country in the world with SUSI and fees that are largely paid by the State regardless. We're not talking about big student loans here.
The scholarships are a nice benefit for some of the lucky few who get them but not having them would in no way artifically shorten any player's IC career.
Completely wrong unfortunately. Are you really going to argue with someone who works in the sector?
Would I be arguing with myself so? I know this stuff pretty well, you can trust me on that. The percentage of Sigerson players getting schloarships for their GAA activities is far lower and far less influential than you've made out. And we haven't even mentioned colleges at Trench Cup level, where even less money hoes into GAA scholarships.
I really don't know how you cope with being an authority in all these different fields, Indy.
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
The vast majority of Sigerson players aren't on scholarships. Nevermind U21 players. College is extremely affordable in Ireland compared to almost any other country in the world with SUSI and fees that are largely paid by the State regardless. We're not talking about big student loans here.
The scholarships are a nice benefit for some of the lucky few who get them but not having them would in no way artifically shorten any player's IC career.
Completely wrong unfortunately. Are you really going to argue with someone who works in the sector?
Would I be arguing with myself so? I know this stuff pretty well, you can trust me on that. The percentage of Sigerson players getting schloarships for their GAA activities is far lower and far less influential than you've made out. And we haven't even mentioned colleges at Trench Cup level, where even less money hoes into GAA scholarships.
I really don't know how you cope with being an authority in all these different fields, Indy.
Hundreds of college players get busaries, scholarships and other items paid for at university. Without them they wouldn't be playing inter county football. Employers don't care about having county players anymore if they are training 10-11 times a week. A lot of the scholarships allow players to stay in university a little bit longer then your average student.
There aren't many player at top level who work proper jobs. And that will become less as we continue to run players into the ground.
Its nothing to do with authority Syferus its called the facts something which you're inclined to recreate for yourself.
''Hundreds of college players get busaries, scholarships and other items paid for at university. Without them they wouldn't be playing inter county football. Employers don't care about having county players anymore if they are training 10-11 times a week. A lot of the scholarships allow players to stay in university a little bit longer then your average student.
There aren't many player at top level who work proper jobs. And that will become less as we continue to run players into the ground.
Its nothing to do with authority Syferus its called the facts something which you're inclined to recreate for yourself.''
So theyre on the brew then so?
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on December 27, 2014, 03:07:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2014, 02:25:53 PM
The vast majority of Sigerson players aren't on scholarships. Nevermind U21 players. College is extremely affordable in Ireland compared to almost any other country in the world with SUSI and fees that are largely paid by the State regardless. We're not talking about big student loans here.
The scholarships are a nice benefit for some of the lucky few who get them but not having them would in no way artifically shorten any player's IC career.
Completely wrong unfortunately. Are you really going to argue with someone who works in the sector?
Would I be arguing with myself so? I know this stuff pretty well, you can trust me on that. The percentage of Sigerson players getting schloarships for their GAA activities is far lower and far less influential than you've made out. And we haven't even mentioned colleges at Trench Cup level, where even less money hoes into GAA scholarships.
I really don't know how you cope with being an authority in all these different fields, Indy.
Hundreds of college players get busaries, scholarships and other items paid for at university. Without them they wouldn't be playing inter county football. Employers don't care about having county players anymore if they are training 10-11 times a week. A lot of the scholarships allow players to stay in university a little bit longer then your average student.
There aren't many player at top level who work proper jobs. And that will become less as we continue to run players into the ground.
Its nothing to do with authority Syferus its called the facts something which you're inclined to recreate for yourself.
Stop picking on all the county players being teachers. Proper jobs. Ffs
Can we change the title of the thread " now with added everyone except the reigning All Ireland Champions " ?
How about a new poll, I'm tired of being no 1.
Quote from: INDIANA on December 30, 2014, 09:15:12 AM
Can we change the title of the thread " now with added everyone except the reigning All Ireland Champions " ?
I thought the point of the competition was to develop the counties that haven't won the all-Ireland recently.
Give them a bit of swagger when they come up against entitlement.
Change of venue for the Mayo/westmeath game, tubberclair GAA pitch. Be fucked if im goin now , had my day all mapped out , no respect for us public transport poor .
Venue location here;
U-21 match venue changed tomorrow. Now in Tubberclair GAA ground just outside Athlone. Throw in is still 2 pm. Venue directions here;
http://tubberclairgaa.ie/home/index....d=47&Itemid=55
Some half times
Cavan 6 Meath 1
Mayo 3.4 W'Meath 0.2
Ros 6 Kerry 5
Monaghan bet Wicklow by a goal earlier
Latest 1-8 to 0-10 for us.
Cavan beating Meath 13 points to 4. Looks to be a positive approach from Cavan with Hayes, Connolly and Madden all starting.
Late Ros point makes it a 1-10 to 0-13 draw in the battle of the great powers in Gort ( FFS !! Gort !)
Full time 1-15 to 5 points.
Longford hammered us today 3-14 to 1-7.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 03, 2015, 03:28:31 PM
Late Ros point makes it a 1-10 to 0-13 draw in the battle of the great powers in Gort ( FFS !! Gort !)
A draw just isn't good enough against a minnow like Kerry.
I suppose Westmeath getting a pasting is Tommy Carr's fault somehow too.
Absolutely. Something's always his fault. Blaming him saves time as well.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 03, 2015, 03:28:31 PM
Late Ros point makes it a 1-10 to 0-13 draw in the battle of the great powers in Gort ( FFS !! Gort !)
Locals were probably wondering did both sides forget their hurls....
A good competitive hard hitting Hasting cup game in Gort and hard earned draw which was a fair result. Shane Killoran son of the former great county midfielder Seamus scored a cracking goal. Kilcline,Kenny,Gatley impressive for us six made their U21 debuts while Burns and sub Jack Savage stood out for Kerry.
No Shane Mannion,David Neary,Ultan Harney,Tomas Corcoran,Enda Smith,Diarmuid Murtagh,Dara Pettit,Diarmuid McGann etc played today so decent strength in depth for Mark Dowd to work with by the looks of it.
Round up on the results.
Tipp 1-6 Kildare 1-5
Longford 3-14 Galway 1-7
Mayo 3-7 Westmeath 0-5
Cavan 1-15 Meath 0-5
Laois 1-13 Offaly 2-9
Roscommon 1-10 Kerry 0-13
Monaghan 1-10 Wicklow 1-8
Leitrim given win as Clare unable to field team i think.
Round 2 fixtures next Sat.
Kildare v Longford
Galway v Tipp
Meath v Roscommon
Kerry v Cavan
Mayo v Monaghan
Wicklow v Westmeath
Offaly v Leitrim
Clare v Laois
Tipp beat Kildare in a low scoring game in Dr Morris Park in thurles. 1-6 to 1-5.
Always nice to hammer Meath.
Experimental spine to the Cavan team today, missing what I'd imagine are the Full Back, Ctr Back and two first choice midfielders. Next two games will tell more of a story. This years team have some dangerous forwards but whether the defensive qualities of last years team are still there remains to be seen. Very tough start to the Ulster championship, away to Donegal.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 03, 2015, 07:29:15 PM
Tipp beat Kildare in a low scoring game in Dr Morris Park in thurles. 1-6 to 1-5.
Like most teams, we were probably at 50% or so full strength. Still a win again against a good team is always welcomed. We've a great draw in munster but I think we'll be lacking going forward this year, Philip quirke (injured) and Coleman kennedy (collage in america) would be our best two attacking players, pity both are missing
Didn't realise Coleman was gone to America. Fine footballer. Yeah, I saw the team, it did look a bit light alright. I'd know a few of them lads.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 05, 2015, 10:19:36 AM
Didn't realise Coleman was gone to America. Fine footballer. Yeah, I saw the team, it did look a bit light alright. I'd know a few of them lads.
Yeah he is a player that can bring real quality to the team but don't think he's back may or so. Could be a very good addition to the seniors come then but he won't have much training and have missed out on the whole league
Good piece by Eugene Mc Gee today.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/what-wont-happen-this-year-30881979.html
Another in a long list of GAAites telling us what's wrong....but not a single suggestion or proposal to rectify things.
Good article and Eugene McGee do not go together .
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 10:56:08 PM
Good piece by Eugene Mc Gee today.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/what-wont-happen-this-year-30881979.html
Every Armagh man,woman and child will be relieved that Armagh are not part of Eugene McGee counties list that will not win the Sam Maguire Cup in 2015.
He forgot Mayo off that list
Quote from: Rossfan on January 05, 2015, 11:23:31 PM
Another in a long list of GAAites telling us what's wrong....but not a single suggestion or proposal to rectify things.
It's not rocket science to know guys shouldn't be playing 4 games in a week
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 05, 2015, 11:23:31 PM
Another in a long list of GAAites telling us what's wrong....but not a single suggestion or proposal to rectify things.
It's not rocket science to know guys shouldn't be playing 4 games in a week
Dublin senior club football?
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 05, 2015, 11:23:31 PM
Another in a long list of GAAites telling us what's wrong....but not a single suggestion or proposal to rectify things.
It's not rocket science to know guys shouldn't be playing 4 games in a week
Last year our county board were a disgrace, some of our players played 7 games in 10 days for club and county, will anything change this year not a hope
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 11:49:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 05, 2015, 11:23:31 PM
Another in a long list of GAAites telling us what's wrong....but not a single suggestion or proposal to rectify things.
It's not rocket science to know guys shouldn't be playing 4 games in a week
DIT decided to start a player, Cathal Compton, the day after he played the full match v. Kerry. Cathal has had numerous severe injuries in his short career and was unable to play any U21 championship football last year, he'd been the MotM in a losing performance in the Connacht minor final the previous year, in otherwords he quite a talented young lad. His parents had pleded with the minor manager not to use him a few years back when he had knee trouble to no avail too. If he was just an average footballer there would be far less pressure on him to play so many matches in such a dangerously short peroid of time.
Despite your almost comical attacks on the Hastings Cup the treatment of player is pretty shocking. Managers who care more about their pound of flesh than a lad who's dedicated enough and good enough to be lining out for multiple teams.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 05, 2015, 10:56:08 PM
Good piece by Eugene Mc Gee today.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/what-wont-happen-this-year-30881979.html
Kilkenny won't win Sam in 2015? Kinda hard to win something you're not entering I'd have thought.
Quote from: maigheo on January 05, 2015, 11:30:46 PM
Good article and Eugene McGee do not go together .
My thoughts exactly
Ok, I think everybody would agree that playing 4 games in 8 days is not a good idea. But how many players actually do this? We should be able to come up with stats from match reports? I know Steven Conroy played Hastings Cup for Mayo on Sat. and a half for NUIG on Sunday. Undoubtedly others togged on Sunday as well for other colleges.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 04:25:22 PM
Ok, I think everybody would agree that playing 4 games in 8 days is not a good idea. But how many players actually do this? We should be able to come up with stats from match reports? I know Steven Conroy played Hastings Cup for Mayo on Sat. and a half for NUIG on Sunday. Undoubtedly others togged on Sunday as well for other colleges.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/murtaghs-punishing-schedule-the-perfect-recipe-for-burnout-30084187.html
We're particularly terrible at making our best young lads quadruple job but that's about what a good young lad starting for college/U21 county and on a senior county panel faces into for the first two months of the year - Murtagh racked up 45 days out of 59 with matches/training last year. Madness.
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 04:25:22 PM
Ok, I think everybody would agree that playing 4 games in 8 days is not a good idea. But how many players actually do this? We should be able to come up with stats from match reports? I know Steven Conroy played Hastings Cup for Mayo on Sat. and a half for NUIG on Sunday. Undoubtedly others togged on Sunday as well for other colleges.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/murtaghs-punishing-schedule-the-perfect-recipe-for-burnout-30084187.html
We're particularly terrible at making our best young lads quadruple job but that's about what a good young lad starting for college/U21 county and on a senior county panel faces into for the first two months of the year - Murtagh racked up 45 days out of 59 with matches/training last year. Madness.
That is indeed madness.
How many Roscommon lads played Hastings and FBD at the weekend Sy? Should be handy enough to work it out?
You can understand why every manager would want Murtagh to play for his team. Managers give up their time too and want to be successful. I know a poor team takes up as much time as a good team.
Maybe players should play one competition or another i.e. Hastings or FBD/equivalent. Of course the manager that loses the services of a serious player will be peeved that he s preparing a team without the services of key players.
a sensible senior manager would say, "he's doing enough" and not flog him.
same with U21 management.
its the recovery time between training and games that actually improves your fitness and performance
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 08:09:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 04:25:22 PM
Ok, I think everybody would agree that playing 4 games in 8 days is not a good idea. But how many players actually do this? We should be able to come up with stats from match reports? I know Steven Conroy played Hastings Cup for Mayo on Sat. and a half for NUIG on Sunday. Undoubtedly others togged on Sunday as well for other colleges.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/murtaghs-punishing-schedule-the-perfect-recipe-for-burnout-30084187.html
We're particularly terrible at making our best young lads quadruple job but that's about what a good young lad starting for college/U21 county and on a senior county panel faces into for the first two months of the year - Murtagh racked up 45 days out of 59 with matches/training last year. Madness.
That is indeed madness.
How many Roscommon lads played Hastings and FBD at the weekend Sy? Should be handy enough to work it out?
You can understand why every manager would want Murtagh to play for his team. Managers give up their time too and want to be successful. I know a poor team takes up as much time as a good team.
Maybe players should play one competition or another i.e. Hastings or FBD/equivalent. Of course the manager that loses the services of a serious player will be peeved that he s preparing a team without the services of key players.
U21 team v. Kerry on Saturday:
R. Mannion
N. McInerney, S. Mullooly, C. Kenny
K. Farrell, E. McGrath, R. Daly
S. Flynn, T. O'Rourke
K. Kilcline, C. Compton, S. Killoran
K. Finn, P. Kenny, N. Gately
Senior team v. IT Sligo on Sunday:
D. O'Malley
S. McDermott, N. Carty, R. Stack
B. Murtagh, I. Kilbride, C. Cafferky
C. Shine, N. Daly
M. Nally, M. Healy (0-1), O. Milton
C. Compton, S. Kilbride, C. Murtagh
No U21s who are on the senior team played both games bar Ronan Daly (HT sub), well apart from Kiernan Kilcline but the poor lad managed to get a black card within a minute of stepping on the field. The C Compton on the seniors is Colin, the older brother of Cathal, the CF for the U21s.
The problems last weekend were with colleges playing players who had played in U21 matches on Saturday in the senior IC pre-season competitions. Fintan Kelly who played the second half for DCU on Saturday came on as a sub for our seniors too.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 06, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
a sensible senior manager would say, "he's doing enough" and not flog him.
same with U21 management.
its the recovery time between training and games that actually improves your fitness and performance
Yes, but I see the problem as the clash between college and U21 commitments. What manager gives sway here? Both are appointed to get the best from their teams. I know here people are very annoyed with the way our U21 have bombed last few years. If anything these teams looked undercooked rather than flogged to death. I cant imagine any senior manager expecting players involved in U21 and colleges train and play with a county senior sides for FBD etc. If he does ........
Moysider, as far as i know, only two of the Ros U-21's had any involvement in the FBD on Sunday. Ronan Daly and Ciaran Kilcline came on as second half subs. Two minutes after coming on, Kilcline got a black card!!.....Syferus' post above and mine obviously crossed in the post!!
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 06, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
a sensible senior manager would say, "he's doing enough" and not flog him.
same with U21 management.
its the recovery time between training and games that actually improves your fitness and performance
Yes, but I see the problem as the clash between college and U21 commitments. What manager gives sway here? Both are appointed to get the best from their teams. I know here people are very annoyed with the way our U21 have bombed last few years. If anything these teams looked undercooked rather than flogged to death. I cant imagine any senior manager expecting players involved in U21 and colleges train and play with a county senior sides for FBD etc. If he does ........
If you play senior championship the previous year you should be barred playing u21 the following year
Robbie Henshaw didn't play u20 WC for Ireland becasue he was deemed as playing too many games with Connacht that year and in the eyes of the irish management had gone past the stage of playing u20.
That's an example of proper player management- the opposite to the GAA- the GAA is an absolute disgrace in the manner it ALLOWS the ritual abuse of u21 players.
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
That s a good point.
Let s look for solutions rather than pointing out the obvious.
Those figures from Ros would tend to indicate that the stories of flogging is exaggerated. What are the stats like in other counties?
I ll try to find the logistics for Mayo but I would expect likes of Cian Burke, Seanie Regan and others would be key players for their colleges. At least Seanie wasn t involved in the Mayo hurling match. Jaysus there s a lad could be playing hurling and football in college!
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
That s a good point.
Let s look for solutions rather than pointing out the obvious.
Those figures from Ros would tend to indicate that the stories of flogging is exaggerated. What are the stats like in other counties?
I ll try to find the logistics for Mayo but I would expect likes of Cian Burke, Seanie Regan and others would be key players for their colleges. At least Seanie wasn t involved in the Mayo hurling match. Jaysus there s a lad could be playing hurling and football in college!
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
That s a good point.
Let s look for solutions rather than pointing out the obvious.
Those figures from Ros would tend to indicate that the stories of flogging is exaggerated. What are the stats like in other counties?
I ll try to find the logistics for Mayo but I would expect likes of Cian Burke, Seanie Regan and others would be key players for their colleges. At least Seanie wasn t involved in the Mayo hurling match. Jaysus there s a lad could be playing hurling and football in college!
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
Agree.
Mayo had one in Hastings last Saturday. Diarmuid O Connor. Thing is JH was probably a bit optimistic with him last year ( he got damn all match time after Ros but hopefully will have learned a lot and can bring it to U21 set-up which needs a boost). He also will benefit from playing with his peers because he would have done 10X more training than playing matches last year.
The U21 management would badly need him available though to develop a team after a dreadful few years. There s a gun to managers heads to produce results. There are no excuses once the punters walk through the turnstiles.
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
That s a good point.
Let s look for solutions rather than pointing out the obvious.
Those figures from Ros would tend to indicate that the stories of flogging is exaggerated. What are the stats like in other counties?
I ll try to find the logistics for Mayo but I would expect likes of Cian Burke, Seanie Regan and others would be key players for their colleges. At least Seanie wasn t involved in the Mayo hurling match. Jaysus there s a lad could be playing hurling and football in college!
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
Agree.
Mayo had one in Hastings last Saturday. Diarmuid O Connor. Thing is JH was probably a bit optimistic with him last year ( he got damn all match time after Ros but hopefully will have learned a lot and can bring it to U21 set-up which needs a boost). He also will benefit from playing with his peers because he would have done 10X more training than playing matches last year.
The U21 management would badly need him available though to develop a team after a dreadful few years. There s a gun to managers heads to produce results. There are no excuses once the punters walk through the turnstiles.
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
I think it's plain wrong to ask players to play 2 games in 2 days. At county level lads are running 10-11 km per match. To ask them to to do that two days in a row on heavy ground is a disgrace in my opinion
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
That s a good point.
Let s look for solutions rather than pointing out the obvious.
Those figures from Ros would tend to indicate that the stories of flogging is exaggerated. What are the stats like in other counties?
I ll try to find the logistics for Mayo but I would expect likes of Cian Burke, Seanie Regan and others would be key players for their colleges. At least Seanie wasn t involved in the Mayo hurling match. Jaysus there s a lad could be playing hurling and football in college!
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
Agree.
Mayo had one in Hastings last Saturday. Diarmuid O Connor. Thing is JH was probably a bit optimistic with him last year ( he got damn all match time after Ros but hopefully will have learned a lot and can bring it to U21 set-up which needs a boost). He also will benefit from playing with his peers because he would have done 10X more training than playing matches last year.
The U21 management would badly need him available though to develop a team after a dreadful few years. There s a gun to managers heads to produce results. There are no excuses once the punters walk through the turnstiles.
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
In fairness Kilcline and Ronan Daly were making their first appearances for us, neither are anything close to starters right now. Believe it or not this weekend will end up being one of the better ones for player safety not just for us but for most counties.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 11:13:34 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Shane Killoran played the full match for our U21s Saturday then played the full match for University of Limerick on Sunday probably the same again this weekend for him, aforementioned Cathal Compton will probably be expected to line out for DIT again tomorrow night and Sunday . Do college sides really need to be playing in pre-season inter county competitions? they have their own league to get ready for the Sigerson cup.
That s a good point.
Let s look for solutions rather than pointing out the obvious.
Those figures from Ros would tend to indicate that the stories of flogging is exaggerated. What are the stats like in other counties?
I ll try to find the logistics for Mayo but I would expect likes of Cian Burke, Seanie Regan and others would be key players for their colleges. At least Seanie wasn t involved in the Mayo hurling match. Jaysus there s a lad could be playing hurling and football in college!
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
Agree.
Mayo had one in Hastings last Saturday. Diarmuid O Connor. Thing is JH was probably a bit optimistic with him last year ( he got damn all match time after Ros but hopefully will have learned a lot and can bring it to U21 set-up which needs a boost). He also will benefit from playing with his peers because he would have done 10X more training than playing matches last year.
The U21 management would badly need him available though to develop a team after a dreadful few years. There s a gun to managers heads to produce results. There are no excuses once the punters walk through the turnstiles.
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
I think it's plain wrong to ask players to play 2 games in 2 days. At county level lads are running 10-11 km per match. To ask them to to do that two days in a row on heavy ground is a disgrace in my opinion
Agree. Croke Park should legislate for who plays for whom at a given time of year. Then everybody would know where they stood.
I've taken a step back but one of the most frustrating things I encountered was Junior/Senior club managers inviting promising fit 17/18 yr olds to training in Jan?Feb. and running the hole off them with the older lads trying to lose bellies - the evening before a college's championship match. The young fellas couldn t refuse because of the club, club club, blah, blah blah. Months of preparation and commitment ruined.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
The majority of these senior panelists got their in the first place by impressing at U21 level. I should note college sides were first introduced to FBD league in 2003 before that we had one group of five & better pre-season Connacht competition than now.
Your suggestion of copying rugby or
If you play senior championship the previous year you should be barred playing U21 the following year would mean the U21 county managements won't be able to pick their strongest 15 then and i don't see the sense in that especially when many lads under the age of 21 are not established seniors.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
Yes but who are the senior regulars? haven't seen the Mayo hastings cup team but i doubt any would be regarded as senior regular. None of our starting 15 Saturday are just a few panelists that might get a run out during the FBD.
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 11:33:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
The majority of these senior panelists got their in the first place by impressing at U21 level. I should note college sides were first introduced to FBD league in 2003 before that we had one group of five & better pre-season Connacht competition than now.
Your suggestion of copying rugby or If you play senior championship the previous year you should be barred playing U21 the following year would mean the U21 county managements won't be able to pick their strongest 15 then and i don't see the sense in that especially when many lads under the age of 21 are not established seniors.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
Yes but who are the senior regulars? haven't seen the Mayo hastings cup team but i doubt any would be regarded as senior regular. None of our starting 15 Saturday are just a few panelists that might get a run out during the FBD.
You are entitled to your opinion.
In my view it's an outdated one and it's inherent among counties that have little or no chance of winning Sam so it's understandable from that angle. u21 becomes this holy grail where lads have often played their best football before they are 22 and never progress as seniors
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 11:33:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
The majority of these senior panelists got their in the first place by impressing at U21 level. I should note college sides were first introduced to FBD league in 2003 before that we had one group of five & better pre-season Connacht competition than now.
Your suggestion of copying rugby or If you play senior championship the previous year you should be barred playing U21 the following year would mean the U21 county managements won't be able to pick their strongest 15 then and i don't see the sense in that especially when many lads under the age of 21 are not established seniors.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
Yes but who are the senior regulars? haven't seen the Mayo hastings cup team but i doubt any would be regarded as senior regular. None of our starting 15 Saturday are just a few panelists that might get a run out during the FBD.
You are entitled to your opinion.
In my view it's an outdated one and it's inherent among counties that have little or no chance of winning Sam so it's understandable from that angle. u21 becomes this holy grail where lads have often played their best football before they are 22 and never progress as seniors
You are entitled to your opinion.
No colleges in IC pre-season comps. Play Hastings Cup and the like mid-week so the few overlapping players don't have to play twice in 24 hours. No playing for their clubs until their teams are out of the Sigerson and U21 races. Problem solved.
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 11:33:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
The majority of these senior panelists got their in the first place by impressing at U21 level. I should note college sides were first introduced to FBD league in 2003 before that we had one group of five & better pre-season Connacht competition than now.
Your suggestion of copying rugby or If you play senior championship the previous year you should be barred playing U21 the following year would mean the U21 county managements won't be able to pick their strongest 15 then and i don't see the sense in that especially when many lads under the age of 21 are not established seniors.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
Yes but who are the senior regulars? haven't seen the Mayo hastings cup team but i doubt any would be regarded as senior regular. None of our starting 15 Saturday are just a few panelists that might get a run out during the FBD.
Mayo had only one panellist and not a regular.
What I meant was that if you had a 20 yr old Gooch Cooper, Paul Mannion or Cillian O Connor; lads winning AIs and YPOTH .....
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
You are entitled to your opinion.
In my view it's an outdated one and it's inherent among counties that have little or no chance of winning Sam so it's understandable from that angle. u21 becomes this holy grail where lads have often played their best football before they are 22 and never progress as seniors
As are you entitled to your opinion & you never had much time for the U21 grade had you?
Certain players develop at different rates/ages you could be average enough minor then a few years later stand out at U21 level or some minor lads can become seniors without the need of impressing U21 level.
Its true some lads can play their best football by 22 but injuries normally play a part in that.
Quote from: Syferus on January 06, 2015, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 11:33:55 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 10:33:29 PM
Why do senior panelists have to play in the Hastings Cup?
The majority of these senior panelists got their in the first place by impressing at U21 level. I should note college sides were first introduced to FBD league in 2003 before that we had one group of five & better pre-season Connacht competition than now.
Your suggestion of copying rugby or If you play senior championship the previous year you should be barred playing U21 the following year would mean the U21 county managements won't be able to pick their strongest 15 then and i don't see the sense in that especially when many lads under the age of 21 are not established seniors.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:11:19 PM
But I agree. Senior regulars should not be playing Hastings, no way.
Yes but who are the senior regulars? haven't seen the Mayo hastings cup team but i doubt any would be regarded as senior regular. None of our starting 15 Saturday are just a few panelists that might get a run out during the FBD.
You are entitled to your opinion.
In my view it's an outdated one and it's inherent among counties that have little or no chance of winning Sam so it's understandable from that angle. u21 becomes this holy grail where lads have often played their best football before they are 22 and never progress as seniors
You are entitled to your opinion.
No colleges in IC pre-season comps. Play Hastings Cup and the like mid-week so the few overlapping players don't have to play twice in 24 hours. No playing for their clubs until their teams are out of the Sigerson and U21 races. Problem solved.
Yeah. Cant argue with that but I m sure somebody will.
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
You are entitled to your opinion.
In my view it's an outdated one and it's inherent among counties that have little or no chance of winning Sam so it's understandable from that angle. u21 becomes this holy grail where lads have often played their best football before they are 22 and never progress as seniors
As are you entitled to your opinion & you never had much time for the U21 grade had you?
Certain players develop at different rates/ages you could be average enough minor then a few years later stand out at U21 level or some minor lads can become seniors without the need of impressing U21 level.
Its true some lads can play their best football by 22 but injuries normally play a part in that.
If you've played senior championship you're beyond u21 . That's my view in a nutshell
Quote from: ross4life on January 06, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
You are entitled to your opinion.
In my view it's an outdated one and it's inherent among counties that have little or no chance of winning Sam so it's understandable from that angle. u21 becomes this holy grail where lads have often played their best football before they are 22 and never progress as seniors
As are you entitled to your opinion & you never had much time for the U21 grade had you?
Certain players develop at different rates/ages you could be average enough minor then a few years later stand out at U21 level or some minor lads can become seniors without the need of impressing U21 level.
Its true some lads can play their best football by 22 but injuries normally play a part in that.
And in some cases a lot earlier.
I remember a few years ago a ref that did a game between a McRory Cup team playing a challenge in Connacht told me that looking at the Ulster lads was like watching Tyrone seniors -when Tyrone seniors were great. They wiped the board with the westerners.
You might think that this is the way to go. Coaching and systems early. Dunno. Hothouse flowers don t last.
Remember the classy Tyrone minor team of 2008? A rabble team of ner-do-wells from Mayo almost done for them. That was not supposed to happen. If I m not mistaken some of the Mayo lads have fared better since.
Quote from: moysider on January 06, 2015, 11:48:33 PM
What I meant was that if you had a 20 yr old Gooch Cooper, Paul Mannion or Cillian O Connor; lads winning AIs and YPOTH .....
Ok and i agree those type of established players have no need to be playing in this pre season competition. Hastings cup is to test the strength of panel before the championship & then established seniors can be re-introduced by March. I don't think i would want to see U-21 AI or Connacht championship without the best players.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2015, 12:03:15 AM
If you've played senior championship you're beyond u21 . That's my view in a nutshell
So lets says you play one senior championship game fail to shine & taken off, is that it not allowed back U-21 grade to develop?
I doubt any county (even the blue chips like Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone) would want to head into U21 championship without their established senior players - if they have any.
Several reasons for this.
A county's dominance does not last forever. Dublin now probably think the good times will keep on rolling but..... Tyrone and Armagh used to think the glory days would never end too. Only Kerry have a lease on success - and then only at senior level ::)
Why should a manager and other players be penalised because some of their cohorts are deemed too good to play.
Why should a talented 19/20 yr old miss out on an AI medal because he is a good footballer.
Quote from: moysider on January 07, 2015, 12:32:43 AM
I doubt any county (even the blue chips like Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone) would want to head into U21 championship without their established senior players - if they have any.
Several reasons for this.
A county's dominance does not last forever. Dublin now probably think the good times will keep on rolling but..... Tyrone and Armagh used to think the glory days would never end too. Only Kerry have a lease on success - and then only at senior level ::)
Why should a manager and other players be penalised because some of their cohorts are deemed too good to play.
Why should a talented 19/20 yr old miss out on an AI medal because he is a good footballer.
Our u21 senior panelists trained twice with the 21s prior to the first round last year
We did alright if I remember
I'd agree with Indiana, you can't be a master of all age groups.
We really need to move agree from the idea that a player eligible for an age group but good enough to play above that has to do all. It doesn't happen in other sports.
A player on a senior panel shouldn't be playing U21 with panel been the key word. At best let him turn up for matches if he not a starter, he should be good enough to fit into the team without training with them.
A minor shouldn't be playing U21 county if he a county minor player. Surely every county is better served targeting players 19,20,21 to play U21 that outside of this hastings cup is actually a knockout competition that will be over for most as quick as it starts.
Some crazy ideas being thrown out here. An U21 who is good enough to be on a senior panel will have trained with roughly the same group of players from U14 up, certainly here and in many counties. If anything that good U21 will want to play with his long-time friends more than any of the other teams he plays on. That player probably has the most fun of all playing with that team, in your efforts to apply some sort of 'objectivism' to a schedule problem you'd suck enjoyment out of the schedule too. It's just replacing one problem with another.
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2015, 03:25:47 PM
Some crazy ideas being thrown out here. An U21 who is good enough to be on a senior panel will have trained with roughly the same group of players from U14 up, certainly here and in many counties. If anything that good U21 will want to play with his long-time friends more than any of the other teams he plays on. That player probably has the most fun of all playing with that team. The two of you are trying to create a mess a bureaucratic mess by saying that good U21s shouldn't be playing U21 football.
In that case, he'd stay with the U21s. What's the issue?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2015, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2015, 03:25:47 PM
Some crazy ideas being thrown out here. An U21 who is good enough to be on a senior panel will have trained with roughly the same group of players from U14 up, certainly here and in many counties. If anything that good U21 will want to play with his long-time friends more than any of the other teams he plays on. That player probably has the most fun of all playing with that team. The two of you are trying to create a mess a bureaucratic mess by saying that good U21s shouldn't be playing U21 football.
In that case, he'd stay with the U21s. What's the issue?
So he should be penalized for being good enough for both and been made choose? Do you not see how that is a pointless salutation to create? You fix the schedule and not be a lazy and dump decisions like that on young players. The system should do the leg-work for players but just as the broken schedule is failing them now, that idea is another case of the system failing a player.
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2015, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2015, 03:25:47 PM
Some crazy ideas being thrown out here. An U21 who is good enough to be on a senior panel will have trained with roughly the same group of players from U14 up, certainly here and in many counties. If anything that good U21 will want to play with his long-time friends more than any of the other teams he plays on. That player probably has the most fun of all playing with that team. The two of you are trying to create a mess a bureaucratic mess by saying that good U21s shouldn't be playing U21 football.
In that case, he'd stay with the U21s. What's the issue?
So he should be penalized for being good enough for both and been made choose? Do you not see how that is a pointless salutation to create? You fix the schedule and not be a lazy and dump decisions like that on young players. The system should do the leg-work for players but just as the broken schedule is failing them now, that idea is another case of the system failing a player.
The point is, as I see it, these players are playing too much, too young. They will always want to play as much as they can, at least until they burn out, so it behoves the GAA to protect them from themselves and from over-enthusiastic managers out to protect their own jobs.
If you are playing U21, and are happy to do so, I don't think you should be playing senior inter county at the same time. I also think the Sigerson stuff should be seriously downgraded in perception, because that's bringing extra pressure on the same bunch of players.
If you want to step up to senior, so be it, but again you have to refrain from U21.
There are only so many weeks in the year, and if all these competitions are to be catered for, the only thing you can do is legislate for burn out by stopping them playing for multiple teams.
Alternatively scrap things like the Sigerson, Hastings and/or preseason senior competitions.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2015, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 07, 2015, 12:32:43 AM
I doubt any county (even the blue chips like Dublin, Kerry and Tyrone) would want to head into U21 championship without their established senior players - if they have any.
Several reasons for this.
A county's dominance does not last forever. Dublin now probably think the good times will keep on rolling but..... Tyrone and Armagh used to think the glory days would never end too. Only Kerry have a lease on success - and then only at senior level ::)
Why should a manager and other players be penalised because some of their cohorts are deemed too good to play.
Why should a talented 19/20 yr old miss out on an AI medal because he is a good footballer.
Our u21 senior panelists trained twice with the 21s prior to the first round last year
We did alright if I remember
In fairness those u21 senior panelists would have got the required training with the seniors. It's doubtful if Dublin would have won Leinster without Mannion,Costello and the other seniors.
The reality is that eventually, either the Sigerson or U21 championship will probably go. My money is on the U21 (due to the power of the colleges) and perhaps a move of the minor grade to U19 at the same time to stop the ridiculous scenario where a young player is playing championship for his county days after finishing the leaving cert.
This will be good for some of the elite young talents and definitely good for the larger counties like Dublin and Cork who will still have a sizable number of players exposed to top class training and competition. Where would that leave the have-nots who will be deprived of a proven avenue of development from U21 to senior?
Quote from: Chimley on January 07, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
The reality is that eventually, either the Sigerson or U21 championship will probably go. My money is on the U21 (due to the power of the colleges) and perhaps a move of the minor grade to U19 at the same time to stop the ridiculous scenario where a young player is playing championship for his county days after finishing the leaving cert.
This will be good for some of the elite young talents and definitely good for the larger counties like Dublin and Cork who will still have a sizable number of players exposed to top class training and competition. Where would that leave the have-nots who will be deprived of a proven avenue of development from U21 to senior?
Maybe the Junior championship?
The idea for an U20 (and by extension, an U19) championship was rightly shot to pieces last time it came up. There is no appetite for it.
Quote from: Chimley on January 07, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
The reality is that eventually, either the Sigerson or U21 championship will probably go. My money is on the U21 (due to the power of the colleges) and perhaps a move of the minor grade to U19 at the same time to stop the ridiculous scenario where a young player is playing championship for his county days after finishing the leaving cert.
This will be good for some of the elite young talents and definitely good for the larger counties like Dublin and Cork who will still have a sizable number of players exposed to top class training and competition. Where would that leave the have-nots who will be deprived of a proven avenue of development from U21 to senior?
I hear this a lot but I cant understand it. The U21 competition is the only 100% knock out tournament. I've been following for a long time and really enjoy them, in many ways more than senior. I'm not the only one, big crowds turn out on Wednesdays to watch them. The Sigerson on the other hand, well no one could be arsed to go to those games and I know I certainly never bothered. Sigerson is nice to win for the players, a bit like the railway cup. If one were to go it would be the Sigerson for me - it wouldnt be missed.
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 07, 2015, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 07, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
The reality is that eventually, either the Sigerson or U21 championship will probably go. My money is on the U21 (due to the power of the colleges) and perhaps a move of the minor grade to U19 at the same time to stop the ridiculous scenario where a young player is playing championship for his county days after finishing the leaving cert.
This will be good for some of the elite young talents and definitely good for the larger counties like Dublin and Cork who will still have a sizable number of players exposed to top class training and competition. Where would that leave the have-nots who will be deprived of a proven avenue of development from U21 to senior?
I hear this a lot but I cant understand it. The U21 competition is the only 100% knock out tournament. I've been following for a long time and really enjoy them, in many ways more than senior. I'm not the only one, big crowds turn out on Wednesdays to watch them. The Sigerson on the other hand, well no one could be arsed to go to those games and I know I certainly never bothered. Sigerson is nice to win for the players, a bit like the railway cup. If one were to go it would be the Sigerson for me - it wouldnt be missed.
I agree with that, I actually think U21 helps keep a lot of "fringe" players in the game, especially at club level. I wouldn'tmind sseeing it reduced to U20 though
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2015, 09:22:01 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on January 07, 2015, 07:40:23 PM
Quote from: Chimley on January 07, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
The reality is that eventually, either the Sigerson or U21 championship will probably go. My money is on the U21 (due to the power of the colleges) and perhaps a move of the minor grade to U19 at the same time to stop the ridiculous scenario where a young player is playing championship for his county days after finishing the leaving cert.
This will be good for some of the elite young talents and definitely good for the larger counties like Dublin and Cork who will still have a sizable number of players exposed to top class training and competition. Where would that leave the have-nots who will be deprived of a proven avenue of development from U21 to senior?
I hear this a lot but I cant understand it. The U21 competition is the only 100% knock out tournament. I've been following for a long time and really enjoy them, in many ways more than senior. I'm not the only one, big crowds turn out on Wednesdays to watch them. The Sigerson on the other hand, well no one could be arsed to go to those games and I know I certainly never bothered. Sigerson is nice to win for the players, a bit like the railway cup. If one were to go it would be the Sigerson for me - it wouldnt be missed.
I agree with that, I actually think U21 helps keep a lot of "fringe" players in the game, especially at club level. I wouldn'tmind sseeing it reduced to U20 though
One game keeps players together? Doubt that
One game? Keeps players together? :o
What are you babbling about??
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
One game? Keeps players together? :o
What are you babbling about??
You lose the first round you;'re out.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2015, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
One game? Keeps players together? :o
What are you babbling about??
You lose the first round you;'re out.
You do realise that U21s exists at club level also?? If you abolish it at county level, it follows that you do likewise at club level.
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2015, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2015, 10:06:49 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 07, 2015, 09:58:06 PM
One game? Keeps players together? :o
What are you babbling about??
You lose the first round you;'re out.
Currently in Dublin with the adult championships always running late it's never finished in the calendar year and training consists of meeting up the week of the game for a training session or two. I find it hard to believe that two training sessions and one match for 50% of the teams involved who all get beaten in the first round keeps lads together as you say. But you're entitled to your view on that.
You do realise that U21s exists at club level also?? If you abolish it at county level, it follows that you do likewise at club level.
Was talk from Paraic Duffy about scrapping the U21 championship back in 2007 however it never materialized and since then the U21 championship has become arguably even more popular.
Noel Connelly quote from 2007 who was the Mayo U21 joint All Ireland winning manager at the time
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Abolishing the U21 grade could see a huge fall off in playing numbers and remove a crucial bridge to the senior grade.
If you scrap the U-21 grade then you will have no grade from Minor to Senior and you have a lot of lads who will go out of county football for up to six years. A lot of players nowadays aren't coming onto the senior scene until around 23 or 24. You are taking away another grade for lads to be able to play county football.
It will be a huge loss and I think you will lose a lot of players because very few players are able to make it from Minor straight to the senior grade.
There's not too many players able to make that step up so you need something to hold onto them, that they won't fall away.
Even premier league teams have U21 squads and an U21 league.
Preventing these players playing senior and U21 at county level would help a lot with burnout.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 07, 2015, 11:59:06 PM
Even premier league teams have U21 squads and an U21 league.
Preventing these players playing senior and U21 at county level would help a lot with burnout.
How many games a year do Premier League teams play? I really don't see much of a commonality there.
Scheduling is causing burnout, not the number of games in the season. People here are trying to solve one problem by introducing another.
One game played tonight, the result Kildare 0-13 Longford 0-7
Think Galway v Tipp is called off tonight, pitch unplayable, talk that it may be played Tuesday
Mayo 2-5 Monaghan 0-1 approaching half time.
Quote from: ballinaman on January 10, 2015, 02:30:48 PM
Mayo 2-5 Monaghan 0-1 approaching half time.
Jebus take off all the backs fast, before the hype machine erupts!
There s a storm blowing down the field.
Final score in Ashbourne....Roscommon 4-12, Meath 0-01.
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 10, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Final score in Ashbourne....Roscommon 4-12, Meath 0-01.
Would they at least try to keep the ball kicked out against us.. that's a bad beating to ship by anyone, nevermind Meath at home.
Not much to be learnt from a match like that, though it was nice to hear Henry Walsh was in good form.
Kerry whacked Cavan too, had to know what to make of those two results in the context of next weekend.
Rossies could dominate out west for decades at this rate.
Yeah; doesn t look like anybody ll give them any bother.
Did Cavan have a weakened team out today or what? Our u-21s are only ok this year and nowhere near up to speed yet, so assume Cavan were experimenting given that scoreline?
Obviously every other team in this competition is merely going to be cannon fodder for the Ross-aneiri anyway, so it's all irrelevant..
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 10, 2015, 05:06:08 PM
Did Cavan have a weakened team out today or what? Our u-21s are only ok this year and nowhere near up to speed yet, so assume Cavan were experimenting given that scoreline?
Obviously every other team in this competition is merely going to be cannon fodder for the Ross-aneiri anyway, so it's all irrelevant..
Says the team that drew with us last weekend. Bit late on the WUMing there.
We had maybe 8 championship starters playing today. Meath missing about 11 of their own if reports are correct.
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 10, 2015, 05:06:08 PM
Did Cavan have a weakened team out today or what? Our u-21s are only ok this year and nowhere near up to speed yet, so assume Cavan were experimenting given that scoreline?
Obviously every other team in this competition is merely going to be cannon fodder for the Ross-aneiri anyway, so it's all irrelevant..
Says the team that drew with us last weekend. Bit late on the WUMing there.
We had maybe 8 championship starters playing today. Meath missing about 11 of their own if reports are correct.
Ross were clearly just toying with us last time out. They have bigger fish to fry than us minnows.
Meath lads couldn't focus on the game distracted by our lovely bus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6_5_9_CQAAqQ65.jpg)
Quote from: ross4life on January 10, 2015, 05:37:55 PM
Meath lads couldn't focus on the game distracted by our lovely bus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6_5_9_CQAAqQ65.jpg)
Your shadow must have made quite a distraction too Ross! :D
Quote from: ross4life on January 10, 2015, 05:37:55 PM
Meath lads couldn't focus on the game distracted by our lovely bus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6_5_9_CQAAqQ65.jpg)
;D You know you're playing a super power when their own mode of transport emblazoned in their colours, looms over the field!
Worst defeat for Cavan at this level since the All Ireland final against Galway 4 years ago. The team looked very weak to me but whos to say. I dont think this team will be of the same level as last years (which was our best of recent years in my opinion). Looking at that team today though there were probably 8 or more of the 1st team not playing. Not nice to ship heavy defeats but at the same time who cares if the team go on and do the business in Ulster.
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 04:26:57 PM
Yeah; doesn t look like anybody ll give them any bother.
They'll certainly dominate the Hastings Cup anyway
We might be out of the Cup next week as Cavan will have a stronger team out.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
We're well used to this Hasting Cup craic at this stage, sure ye're only having your second year at it now. Cavan usually are good to knock a few shades out of ya in January. All to play for, like.
Ros are the surest thing since Steve Davis.
I'd put the house bus on them, if Tony Fearon hadn't banned gambling.
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
We're well used to this Hasting Cup craic at this stage, sure ye're only having your second year at it now. Cavan usually are good to knock a few shades out of ya in January. All to play for, like.
Not a chance. Only worry is that ye would be headin into championship without any real test.
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
We're well used to this Hasting Cup craic at this stage, sure ye're only having your second year at it now. Cavan usually are good to knock a few shades out of ya in January. All to play for, like.
Not a chance. Only worry is that ye would be headin into championship without any real test.
Sure the Hastings was harder than Connacht last year anyways Moy.
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
We're well used to this Hasting Cup craic at this stage, sure ye're only having your second year at it now. Cavan usually are good to knock a few shades out of ya in January. All to play for, like.
Not a chance. Only worry is that ye would be headin into championship without any real test.
Sure the Hastings was harder than Connacht last year anyways Moy.
As I am well aware. I was there for the humiliation in McHale Park. One of our darkest hours.
But like I was saying; ye probably could have done with a few better games earlier last year. The team did not do itself any justice in the final. Soft games against the likes of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim. An impressive semi v Cork but a win over Cork is sometimes hard to evaluate. Wins over Cork are always respected even if some Cork teams don t punch their weight.
Quote from: moysider on January 11, 2015, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
We're well used to this Hasting Cup craic at this stage, sure ye're only having your second year at it now. Cavan usually are good to knock a few shades out of ya in January. All to play for, like.
Not a chance. Only worry is that ye would be headin into championship without any real test.
Sure the Hastings was harder than Connacht last year anyways Moy.
As I am well aware. I was there for the humiliation in McHale Park. One of our darkest hours.
But like I was saying; ye probably could have done with a few better games earlier last year. The team did not do itself any justice in the final. Soft games against the likes of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim. An impressive semi v Cork but a win over Cork is sometimes hard to evaluate. Wins over Cork are always respected even if some Cork teams don t punch their weight.
Ah sure Cork were sure they'd hockey us. We played poorly at the back in that game, should have been a far easier ride without any need for Murtagh's heroics at the end. The final was a tactical disaster but Dowd (managed the Ballagh Rossies to the Mayo title in 2012) is probably a craftier operator than Nigel. We'll be lucky to get out of Connacht again nevermind get to the AI final again.
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2015, 12:51:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 11, 2015, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 11:20:21 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 10, 2015, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 10, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Great win for our lads today but Meath were very poor. Still you can only deal with what's put on front of you. We did that admirablyand could have scored as much again if we had to or hadn't thrown on a scatter of subs.
Nice to be going so well but no real titles are won in January so feet on the ground lads ;)
While Ashbourne is a fune venue and a great clubhouse...could ye not have played it in Enfield ?
Arrahh sthop! Ye re as giddy as f**k and ye know ye are. By comparison we could only beat North Meath by 10 points.
We're well used to this Hasting Cup craic at this stage, sure ye're only having your second year at it now. Cavan usually are good to knock a few shades out of ya in January. All to play for, like.
Not a chance. Only worry is that ye would be headin into championship without any real test.
Sure the Hastings was harder than Connacht last year anyways Moy.
As I am well aware. I was there for the humiliation in McHale Park. One of our darkest hours.
But like I was saying; ye probably could have done with a few better games earlier last year. The team did not do itself any justice in the final. Soft games against the likes of Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim. An impressive semi v Cork but a win over Cork is sometimes hard to evaluate. Wins over Cork are always respected even if some Cork teams don t punch their weight.
Ah sure Cork were sure they'd hockey us. We played poorly at the back in that game, should have been a far easier ride without any need for Murtagh's heroics at the end. The final was a tactical disaster but Dowd (managed the Ballagh Rossies to the Mayo title in 2012) is probably a craftier operator than Nigel. We'll be lucky to get out of Connacht again nevermind get to the AI final again.
But you'll have the Hastings Cup - that's what it's all about.
In all reality you're the favourites for the u21 All Ireland this year so the pressure is on.
Sod off Indy ;D
Haven't ye the 2012 minors - probably the greatest minor team of all time.
Dublin's to lose.
Roscommon were very naive in that U21 final last year.
Dublin had their homework done. How much did the video analysis equipment cost?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 11, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Roscommon were very naive in that U21 final last year.
Dublin had their homework done. How much did the video analysis equipment cost?
Ros wont be caught napping. New video analysis equipment on that new bus. Analysis done going to and from matches.
In all fairness Ros AI to lose.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 11, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Roscommon were very naive in that U21 final last year.
Dublin had their homework done. How much did the video analysis equipment cost?
You don't need homework when you have gunslingers like Mc Hugh and Costello.
Everyone goes on about money and all that bullshit. Dublin's success is built on one thing and one thing only.
We could field three full forward lines at senior level that would be better then 95% of the counties out there.
If we'd have played with any savy against Donegal last year we'd have won by 8-10 points. But when you get complacent and start thinking your Barcelona you get turned over.
At u21 level last year we'd the best forward line in the country and that's why we won it. This year we aren't as strong. In 2012 Costello near enough won it on his own. Need a massive amount of input from others this year.
Roscommon's to lose on form.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 11, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Roscommon were very naive in that U21 final last year.
Dublin had their homework done. How much did the video analysis equipment cost?
You don't need homework when you have gunslingers like Mc Hugh and Costello.
Everyone goes on about money and all that bullshit. Dublin's success is built on one thing and one thing only.
We could field three full forward lines at senior level that would be better then 95% of the counties out there.
If we'd have played with any savy against Donegal last year we'd have won by 8-10 points. But when you get complacent and start thinking your Barcelona you get turned over.
At u21 level last year we'd the best forward line in the country and that's why we won it. This year we aren't as strong. In 2012 Costello near enough won it on his own. Need a massive amount of input from others this year.
Roscommon's to lose on form.
This Dublin best forward line weren't shooting the lights out before the AI final but then again they didn't face a wide open defence like ours in the AI semi final or Leinster final. Mayo with all of their 2013 AI winning minors should be favourties to win Connacht U21 this year while i'll be stunned if Dublin who strolled to 2012 minor AI don't win back to back U21 All Irelands this May.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 11, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Roscommon were very naive in that U21 final last year.
Dublin had their homework done. How much did the video analysis equipment cost?
You don't need homework when you have gunslingers like Mc Hugh and Costello.
Everyone goes on about money and all that bullshit. Dublin's success is built on one thing and one thing only.
We could field three full forward lines at senior level that would be better then 95% of the counties out there.
If we'd have played with any savy against Donegal last year we'd have won by 8-10 points. But when you get complacent and start thinking your Barcelona you get turned over.
At u21 level last year we'd the best forward line in the country and that's why we won it. This year we aren't as strong. In 2012 Costello near enough won it on his own. Need a massive amount of input from others this year.
Roscommon's to lose on form.
Time to split Dublin in 3 so, not 2.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 11, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Roscommon were very naive in that U21 final last year.
Dublin had their homework done. How much did the video analysis equipment cost?
You don't need homework when you have gunslingers like Mc Hugh and Costello.
Everyone goes on about money and all that bullshit. Dublin's success is built on one thing and one thing only.
We could field three full forward lines at senior level that would be better then 95% of the counties out there.
If we'd have played with any savy against Donegal last year we'd have won by 8-10 points. But when you get complacent and start thinking your Barcelona you get turned over.
At u21 level last year we'd the best forward line in the country and that's why we won it. This year we aren't as strong. In 2012 Costello near enough won it on his own. Need a massive amount of input from others this year.
Roscommon's to lose on form.
The fact that the population of Dublin is about 15 times the size of counties like Cavan or Roscommon?
Galway v Tipp called off again tonight
Mayo 0.11 Wicklow 0.08 2ind half
8 point beating from the Rossies. Looks like the wheels are coming off our U21 wagon..
Quote from: Westside on January 17, 2015, 03:18:53 PM
8 point beating from the Rossies. Looks like the wheels are coming off our U21 wagon..
Sure that's what we usually do to good teams. If we beat ye by 23 points and hold you scoreless for 40 minutes then you should be worried ;D
Seriously though, Meath are woeful (hammered out the gate by Kerry today) for a team that made the minor AI final in 2012 and the Hastings Cup final last year. Admittedly that minor team may have been the luckiest minor team in living memory to make the final but still, there should be way more fight and depth in that panel than there is.
We snuck through to the semis on points difference over Kerry. Good start to the year by the lads but there's plenty to do before we're ready to made a run at Connacht.
Tipp beat longford 1-11 to 1-8. Still have to play that postponed game v galway
Who's in the semi's now?
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 17, 2015, 03:18:53 PM
8 point beating from the Rossies. Looks like the wheels are coming off our U21 wagon..
Sure that's what we usually do to good teams. If we beat ye by 23 points and hold you scoreless for 40 minutes then you should be worried ;D
Seriously though, Meath are woeful (hammered out the gate by Kerry today) for a team that made the minor AI final in 2012 and the Hastings Cup final last year. Admittedly that minor team may have been the luckiest minor team in living memory to make the final but still, there should be way more fight and depth in that panel than there is.
We snuck through to the semis on points difference over Kerry. Good start to the year by the lads but there's plenty to do before we're ready to made a run at Connacht.
Such as?
Don t be silly. Ye won t get a game in Connacht.
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 17, 2015, 03:18:53 PM
8 point beating from the Rossies. Looks like the wheels are coming off our U21 wagon..
Sure that's what we usually do to good teams. If we beat ye by 23 points and hold you scoreless for 40 minutes then you should be worried ;D
Seriously though, Meath are woeful (hammered out the gate by Kerry today) for a team that made the minor AI final in 2012 and the Hastings Cup final last year. Admittedly that minor team may have been the luckiest minor team in living memory to make the final but still, there should be way more fight and depth in that panel than there is.
We snuck through to the semis on points difference over Kerry. Good start to the year by the lads but there's plenty to do before we're ready to made a run at Connacht.
The scoreline flatters Kerry.
If you take all the goals out of the equation, they only won by a point.
Galway certainly will be no threat to Ros this year.
I don't think Mayo will either.
It's a very strong Ros side.
The All Ireland series will be the test for them as like moysider I don't think they'll be tested in Connacht.
Quote from: galwayman on January 17, 2015, 05:25:24 PM
Galway certainly will be no threat to Ros this year.
I don't think Mayo will either.
It's a very strong Ros side.
The All Ireland series will be the test for them as like moysider I don't think they'll be tested in Connacht.
You & Moysider are trying your best to down play your chances :D
Mayo U21s after winning their 3rd game in a row today. A pick from the 2012 minors that should have reached the All Ireland final,2013 Connacht,All Ireland champions & last year Connacht champions,All Ireland semi finalists.
Galway lost 2012,2013 minor games to us and Mayo in extra time both games you could easily have won & last year unlucky not to win against Mayo. We got tested by Sligo last year & won't be looking past that tie in what should be yet another highly competitive Connacht underage championship.
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As for today after last weekends total mis-match our lads got their 2nd good workout in this competition, Always in control & good value for the 8pt win. Mark Dowd & co are making full use of the panel with over 30 getting a run out in the 3 group games. We move on to the Hasting cup semi final now which should bring at least one more good competitive game before the championship. Kerry go into the shield semi final which the Munster men should win.
Quote from: galwayman on January 17, 2015, 05:25:24 PM
Galway certainly will be no threat to Ros this year.
I don't think Mayo will either.
It's a very strong Ros side.
The All Ireland series will be the test for them as like moysider I don't think they'll be tested in Connacht.
I wouldn't write off either Galway or Mayo just yet to be honest for pretty much the same reasons ross4life said. From our own perspective Galway were awfully unlucky at minor level two years in a row with most of this bunch. Could easily have beaten Mayo first day out in 2013 and Mayo ended up as All-Ireland champions. Was by far their toughest game that year. Pretty much the same in 2012 when they lost after extra time again to Roscommon and Roscommon themselves only beat Mayo by 2 in the final. Recent history suggests there is not much between the three sides but I think management always plays a big part at underage level. A poor management team can really hold a bunch of young lads back.
Is it one through from each group? Ourselves and galway still have to play and looking at galway kildare at the moments it will come down to ourselves or galway to go through
Seems to me for some reason Cavan have changed approach for some reason in this competition. The last number of years we were putting out teams with maybe 8 of our first team in them, we called that experimenting. This year we gave in our last 2 games played teams with maybe only 4 definite starters and today a lot of guys out of position. I'm not too worried to be losing but I'm a bit concerned we don't know who is best for each position. Also, Michael Argue the teams star player hasnt kicked a ball for the u21s yet.
Quote from: moysider on January 17, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: Westside on January 17, 2015, 03:18:53 PM
8 point beating from the Rossies. Looks like the wheels are coming off our U21 wagon..
Sure that's what we usually do to good teams. If we beat ye by 23 points and hold you scoreless for 40 minutes then you should be worried ;D
Seriously though, Meath are woeful (hammered out the gate by Kerry today) for a team that made the minor AI final in 2012 and the Hastings Cup final last year. Admittedly that minor team may have been the luckiest minor team in living memory to make the final but still, there should be way more fight and depth in that panel than there is.
We snuck through to the semis on points difference over Kerry. Good start to the year by the lads but there's plenty to do before we're ready to made a run at Connacht.
Such as?
Don t be silly. Ye won t get a game in Connacht.
Mayo's minor AI winners (and 2012 AISF team) will really start filtering through this year and Galway ran everyone desperately close at minor with these players.
Tom Corcoran had to have ankle surgery late last year so our anchor in the middle is missing at the moment and Cathal Compton (the player I mentioned a couple weeks ago as being over-worked) has already been injured by DIT's recklessness. Both would be massive players for us this year and I wouldn't like to face into Connacht without either.
Livong away from the county but I'm surprised that a few more of our 2013 minor forwards have not figured yet. I'm thinking Tommy Conroy, Daragh Doherty and Conor Loftus in particular.
Quote from: Chimley on January 17, 2015, 08:44:52 PM
Livong away from the county but I'm surprised that a few more of our 2013 minor forwards have not figured yet. I'm thinking Tommy Conroy, Daragh Doherty and Conor Loftus in particular.
I was thinking the same thing.
At least Liam Irwin is there. I hope he is on the S&C senior group that was set up. I think Patrick Durcan from Mitchels was on it along with Douglas & Kirby, but the latter is injured now.
Injuries and family tragedy has taken its toll I m afraid. Conroy's dad died tragically over the Christmas. Was buried with Tommy's AI medal.
Loftus is a long term injury. His dad died from cancer last year. Not easy.
Sorry to hear that. There's more to life than football.
Quote from: moysider on January 17, 2015, 09:48:36 PM
Injuries and family tragedy has taken its toll I m afraid. Conroy's dad died tragically over the Christmas. Was buried with Tommy's AI medal.
Loftus is a long term injury. His dad died from cancer last year. Not easy.
F*k didn't know that. He has had a lot to deal with over the last couple of years. Lovely lad and a class player. Of all the minors he is the one I'd really love to see come through.
Hadn't heard about Conor Loftus's father either.
Puts things in perspective.
Roscommon v Mayo semi final in Longford next Saturday. D Murtagh,E Smith probably held back for FBD final while Coen,D O Connor will be restored to the Mayo line up that should make them favourites but hey we'll give it our best shot anyway :-\
Longford venue makes a lot of sense to me ::)
Limerick, Longford......... Wots next?
Quote from: moysider on January 18, 2015, 11:56:14 PM
Longford venue makes a lot of sense to me ::)
Limerick, Longford......... Wots next?
Its a Longford GAA run competition semi and final played in Longford.
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
Roscommon v Mayo semi final in Longford next Saturday. D Murtagh,E Smith probably held back for FBD final while Coen,D O Connor will be restored to the Mayo line up that should make them favourites but hey we'll give it our best shot anyway :-\
Playing the semis in Longford regardless of the counties playing is pretty damn ridiculous.
Sure we may as well turn up.
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
Roscommon v Mayo semi final in Longford next Saturday. D Murtagh,E Smith probably held back for FBD final while Coen,D O Connor will be restored to the Mayo line up that should make them favourites but hey we'll give it our best shot anyway :-\
Playing the semis in Longford regardless of the counties playing is pretty damn ridiculous.
Sure we may as well turn up.
It's their bloody competition. Of course they'll want the semis and finals where they can make the most out of them. Jaysus.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
Roscommon v Mayo semi final in Longford next Saturday. D Murtagh,E Smith probably held back for FBD final while Coen,D O Connor will be restored to the Mayo line up that should make them favourites but hey we'll give it our best shot anyway :-\
Playing the semis in Longford regardless of the counties playing is pretty damn ridiculous.
Sure we may as well turn up.
It's their bloody competition. Of course they'll want the semis and finals where they can make the most out of them. Jaysus.
Ah come on AZ, have you never heard of Bus burnout?
That Bus should pick one age grade and stick to it. It's not even 1 year old yet is it? Far too young for Under 21. That Bus should be playing Go-Games.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
Roscommon v Mayo semi final in Longford next Saturday. D Murtagh,E Smith probably held back for FBD final while Coen,D O Connor will be restored to the Mayo line up that should make them favourites but hey we'll give it our best shot anyway :-\
Playing the semis in Longford regardless of the counties playing is pretty damn ridiculous.
Sure we may as well turn up.
It's their bloody competition. Of course they'll want the semis and finals where they can make the most out of them. Jaysus.
True. Didn't realise it was their gig.
Still, only mammies and girlfriends will bother with it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 12:00:57 AM
Quote from: ross4life on January 18, 2015, 11:48:32 PM
Roscommon v Mayo semi final in Longford next Saturday. D Murtagh,E Smith probably held back for FBD final while Coen,D O Connor will be restored to the Mayo line up that should make them favourites but hey we'll give it our best shot anyway :-\
Playing the semis in Longford regardless of the counties playing is pretty damn ridiculous.
Sure we may as well turn up.
It's their bloody competition. Of course they'll want the semis and finals where they can make the most out of them. Jaysus.
They draw up the schedule. So what? Doesn't meant venues should be hostile to logic. We've escaped having weird locations in the past for semis because this used to be a midland competition. It isn't anymore and this is just a ridiculous holdover from the competition's past. Why in God's name should Roscommon v Mayo be played in Leinster?
I highly down they're going to make big bucks (or few bucks at all) from Ros v Mayo and Laois v Tipp/Galway in an U21 January competition. I suppose John Prenty applies the ownership logic to the Connacht championship, it would explain why every second match is in McHale Park..
Syf, could you please ffs just shut up for one effin day. >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2015, 03:24:25 PM
Syf, could you please ffs just shut up for one effin day. >:(
I suppose you live on a shack on the Longford road and don't mind matches being arbitrarily placed in Longford.
It's not bloody arbitary as the Larry Co Board have run the Hastings (and Manning) for years. You're just peeved it's not in Ballinlough. Plenty of good houses alongside the Longford road.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2015, 04:56:17 PM
It's not bloody arbitary as the Larry Co Board have run the Hastings (and Manning) for years. You're just peeved it's not in Ballinlough. Plenty of good houses alongside the Longford road.
It's Ros-Mayo. It shouldn't be played in Longford, ever. It was fine when we were playing Cavan or Meath in semis and finals, where Longford made logistical sense, but when you end up with two Connacht teams going to Longford for a tie it exposes the frailties of the system. If it's about the Larries giving themselves a jolly up because they organise the tournament it's one of the most ego-driven rules by any GAA organising committee.
You'd have got a damn sight more people in Ballinlough for this match than Longford, by the way.
To paraphrase something someone once might have said -
LONGFORD TODAY, LONGFORD TOMORROW, LONGFORD FOREVER ;D
Anyone able to point me in the direction of somewhere with the fixtures for this and the shield competition seeing as how our boys are in that now? Heard a murmur they might be playing Monaghan this weekend but not sure.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 19, 2015, 09:53:52 PM
Anyone able to point me in the direction of somewhere with the fixtures for this and the shield competition seeing as how our boys are in that now? Heard a murmur they might be playing Monaghan this weekend but not sure.
Yip, in the Gaelic Grounds.
Quote from: muppet on January 19, 2015, 10:05:22 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on January 19, 2015, 09:53:52 PM
Anyone able to point me in the direction of somewhere with the fixtures for this and the shield competition seeing as how our boys are in that now? Heard a murmur they might be playing Monaghan this weekend but not sure.
Yip, in the Gaelic Grounds.
Nah, that wouldn't be fair to Monaghan..if it was a Connacht team it would be fine though.
Even Kerry won't be slipping out of the Larries' noose.
Is this over yet?
Quote from: INDIANA on January 19, 2015, 11:15:15 PM
Is this over yet?
Not quite. You'll know when it is though..thread title will be changed to "Roscommon dominated - Hastings cup 2015" or similar..
Seein as we drew with Kerry we can't be too bad. Now if we only had 1.25 million to pick from....
Mayo will win Hastings easily
With Ros likely to rest their u-21's from the Senior team, it looks like Mayo's Hastings Cup to lose??
Any word on where this game might be staged?
Be good for the game if the Rhus won the Hastings. ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on January 19, 2015, 11:57:47 PM
Seein as we drew with Kerry we can't be too bad. Now if we only had 1.25 million to pick from....
I thought Ming was supposed to get job creation going in Ros. There's no reason you couldn't have a million population with the right macroeconomic incentives. There's plenty of land and everything.
Ming is like most Independents ( or Politicians) - full of you know what and good at expelling hot air.
And of course he's against everything.......
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 20, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
With Ros likely to rest their u-21's from the Senior team, it looks like Mayo's Hastings Cup to lose??
I like how people assume there's enough forward-thinking for the above to happen.
Quote from: Syferus on January 20, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 20, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
With Ros likely to rest their u-21's from the Senior team, it looks like Mayo's Hastings Cup to lose??
I like how people assume there's enough forward-thinking for the above to happen.
Are you saying John Evans can't insist on that?
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 20, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 20, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
With Ros likely to rest their u-21's from the Senior team, it looks like Mayo's Hastings Cup to lose??
I like how people assume there's enough forward-thinking for the above to happen.
Are you saying John Evans can't insist on that?
John and Nigel (our U21 manager last year) were at each other's throats. John mentioned an an 'arrangement' with Dowd (our U21 manager now) but seemed pretty pissed off that old Willie H of Shannonside was asking him about the U21 team at all in the aftermath of Sunday's game.
Quote from: Syferus on January 20, 2015, 03:53:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 20, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 20, 2015, 01:54:11 PM
With Ros likely to rest their u-21's from the Senior team, it looks like Mayo's Hastings Cup to lose??
I like how people assume there's enough forward-thinking for the above to happen.
Are you saying John Evans can't insist on that?
John and Nigel (our U21 manager last year) were at each other's throats. John mentioned an an 'arrangement' with Dowd (our U21 manager now) but seemed pretty pissed off that old Willie H of Shannonside was asking him about the U21 team at all in the aftermath of Sunday's game.
Senior team should always be a priority
Result from tonight Galway 0-10 Tipp 1-6. Tipp into cup semi final and Galway into shield semi final?
Roscommon v Mayo
Galway v Laois
Galway topped group on head to head so and Laois on scoring difference.
Shield semi finals
Kerry v Monaghan
Leitrim v Tipperary
When are the two semi finals due to be played?
If Leitrim had played the Clare game rather than taking the points and hammered them it would have been an All-Connacht semi-final line-up. I'd expect some cagey antics when we play Mayo and, if Galway beat Laois, in the final too.
Apparently it's Galway v Leitrim not Galway v Laois.
Shield semis are
Tipperary v Laois
Kerry v Monaghan
Yeah seen that sets up all Connacht Hastings cup semi finals. The venues a busy Saturday in longford.
Saturday, 24th January 2015
U21 Hastings Cup Semi Finals
Both Games at 2pm
Oliver Lynch Park, Abbeylara (Abbeylara GAA): Galway V Leitrim
Clonbonny, Lanesboro (Rathcline GAA): Roscommon V Mayo
U21 Hastings Shield Semi Finals
Both games at 2pm
Dunbeggan, Longford (Grattan ÓG GAA): Tipperary V Laois
Keenan Park, Ardagh (St. Patrick's GAA): Kerry V Monaghan
It will be a short enough spin for the bus on Saturday. Can any of my fellow Rossies provide an update on the fitness of Thomas Corcoran, Cathal Compton and Ultan Harney?
Incredible that 4 Connacht teams have made the semi finals.
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 21, 2015, 08:44:52 PM
It will be a short enough spin for the bus on Saturday. Can any of my fellow Rossies provide an update on the fitness of Thomas Corcoran, Cathal Compton and Ultan Harney?
In December the timescale for Corcoran was 2 to 3 months, after a year of playing through the pain Harney is wisely rested for championship. Compton was over played by DIT management & eventually picked up a knock that ruled him out of the O Byrne cup semi final. I haven't heard any news since so hopefully that means good news as the lad deserve a break on the injury front.
Michael Gunning who would have featured for our U21s this year did his ACL in a club game back in December. Kevin Finn is back after his 2nd ACL in 2 years, if ever a player needs a injury free year its him.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 21, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
Incredible that 4 Connacht teams have made the semi finals.
Not really; Galway and Roscommon were always going to be there in fairness. The other 2 were dark horses I ll agree.
Quote from: moysider on January 22, 2015, 11:46:13 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 21, 2015, 11:43:01 PM
Incredible that 4 Connacht teams have made the semi finals.
Not really; Galway and Roscommon were always going to be there in fairness. The other 2 were dark horses I ll agree.
The mighty underdogs that won minor in 2013 and should have at least made the AIF in 2012..!
The only worries Mayo should have is keeping the same manager, someone who I haven't heard great things about.
Syf will ya for F sake stop worrying about Rhubarbia.
I'm beginning to think you're really one of THEM.... :o
A silver lining from getting knocked out of dual FBD is that lads that were available for this. We re talking about likes of Patrick Durcan, Diarmuid O Connor, Stephen Coen, Morgan Lyons and Adam Gallagher.
Hopefully they will help keep it respectable against the juggernaut that is Rossie U21s.
It's so funny the Rhus bigging us up so much ;D
Of course they don't believe a word of it..... And of course neither do we :)
Early stages, Mayo 1-3, Ros 0-3. Ros not playing Murtagh, Smith, , McGrath plus injuries.
Ros 0-05 Mayo 1-03 HT. We've supposedly hit a load of wides.
Good to see Ultan Harney back starting, could feature at senior, nevermind U21, this year.
EDIT: All square now.
Ros 1-10 Mayo 1-06 FT.
Goal and point at the death won it for us but we'd missed a good few goal chances earlier in the match so it probably wasn't more than we deserved. Extra-time being played in the other semi.
Galway 0-15 Leitrim 1-11 AET.
Gary Kelly with the winner in the last minute of extra-time.
Well done to the young Rossies. Was looking dodgy at one stage, but i think they deserved their win. Missed several goal chances, mainly due to the Mayo keeper. They also kicked something like 14 wides, so improvement needed with that. Great to see Ultan Harney back in the Roscommon jersey. That game will be of more benefit to him than several training sessions.. Things moving along nicely with this team, with others to come in who didn't play today, such as Thomas Corcoran, Cathal Compton, Evan McGrath, Enda Smith and Diarmuid Murtagh.
Another good competitive contest that both managements will be happy with as they build towards the championship. Neither side showed their full hand we didn't start D Murtagh,E Smith and the injured lads Compton,Corcoran among others while Mayo didn't start D O Connor,S Coen,P Durcan,A Gallagher all senior players
The game itself was mostly about our wastefulness in front of the posts that almost presented the win to Mayo but thankfully we got our just rewards with a slice of luck on the late goal. Thats our 5th win in a row against Mayo at this level now & a far cry from 2009 when i walked out of Charlestown after losing a classic wondering would we ever beat them at U21 level again.
A good win in the end of this mock battle but we did our best to avoid winning.
Galway's next week in the Final - they bet Laythrum by 1 point aet.
We must nearly the January AI Champions at this stage ;D.
Anyone at the Galway Leitrim game that might have the Galway team?
Quote from: Syferus on January 24, 2015, 03:36:37 PM
Ros 1-10 Mayo 1-06 FT.
Goal and point at the death won it for us but we'd missed a good few goal chances earlier in the match so it probably wasn't more than we deserved. Extra-time being played in the other semi.
Just as well Ros. were not at full strength!
Quote from: moysider on January 24, 2015, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 24, 2015, 03:36:37 PM
Ros 1-10 Mayo 1-06 FT.
Goal and point at the death won it for us but we'd missed a good few goal chances earlier in the match so it probably wasn't more than we deserved. Extra-time being played in the other semi.
Just as well Ros. were not at full strength!
If we meet in Connacht we promise not to use Smith and Murtagh if ye promise not to play DO'C, Coen, Gallagher, Lyons and Durcan. Deal?
Well done to Roscommon ,a county on the rise and about to take over out west at senior level too.
Nobody in Ros getting carried away over this, and that will remain the case should they beat Galway in the final. The Hastings Cup is what it is, a pre championship warm up competition.. I'd imagine the Rossies are looking towards the first match of the Championship, and no further than that.. It's going to be a very tight Connacht U-21 championship.
True Shrewd.
Obviously Mayowestros and Galway's the two leading contenders.
Hopefully we can give Shligo a game and sure ya'd never know then...
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2015, 09:06:42 PM
True Shrewd.
Obviously Mayowestros and Galway's the two leading contenders.
Hopefully we can give Shligo a game and sure ya'd never know then...
You never know what to expect from the Sligo boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sja1Ptdvx5s
That's where Mark Dowd and his management team will earn their corn. It's crucial that no complacency gets into the player's heads for the first round match..
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 24, 2015, 09:27:09 PM
That's where Mark Dowd and his management team will earn their corn. It's crucial that no complacency gets into the player's heads for the first round match..
After the war in Marky last Spring I doubt anyone on the panel will overlook Sligo.
Ominous for the rest of us when this has become a discussion almost exclusively between Rossie posters. It has become the parade the championship promises to be for them :( :'(
one bad day at U21 and you're gone.
every county is capable of one big performance
Mayo U21 manager very unhappy that he had to field without his senior panellists. Manager requested them and was denied.
Now I agree that senior should be priority but we didn't have a senior game at the weekend - apart from A v B match.
Be interesting to see if these U21s feature v Kerry at the weekend?
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Mayo U21 manager very unhappy that he had to field without his senior panellists. Manager requested them and was denied.
Now I agree that senior should be priority but we didn't have a senior game at the weekend - apart from A v B match.
Be interesting to see if these U21s feature v Kerry at the weekend?
C&H not exactly endearing themselves in Mayo thus far.
To be fair it gave our ladeens a fair shot, with Galway and Roscommon seniors playing Sunday both teams on Saturday should get use out of their panels.
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Mayo U21 manager very unhappy that he had to field without his senior panellists. Manager requested them and was denied.
Now I agree that senior should be priority but we didn't have a senior game at the weekend - apart from A v B match.
Be interesting to see if these U21s feature v Kerry at the weekend?
C&H not exactly endearing themselves in Mayo thus far.
To be fair it gave our ladeens a fair shot, with Galway and Roscommon seniors playing Sunday both teams on Saturday should get use out of their panels.
Will some of the U21s be playing 2 games in 2 days?
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Mayo U21 manager very unhappy that he had to field without his senior panellists. Manager requested them and was denied.
Now I agree that senior should be priority but we didn't have a senior game at the weekend - apart from A v B match.
Be interesting to see if these U21s feature v Kerry at the weekend?
Coen,Durcan,Gallagher all started group hastings cup games surprising they didn't get a run out Saturday.
The one interesting quote from Niall Heffernan
Quotethere's no better preparation for the championship out there. "The intensity of that game you can't replace that with challenge games. The crowd out on the pitch, the Roscommon crowd standing on the sideline when we were attacking. That toughens you up, that's what these games are all about
The roars from rossfan would toughen any young lad up ;)
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2015, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 26, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from: moysider on January 26, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Mayo U21 manager very unhappy that he had to field without his senior panellists. Manager requested them and was denied.
Now I agree that senior should be priority but we didn't have a senior game at the weekend - apart from A v B match.
Be interesting to see if these U21s feature v Kerry at the weekend?
C&H not exactly endearing themselves in Mayo thus far.
To be fair it gave our ladeens a fair shot, with Galway and Roscommon seniors playing Sunday both teams on Saturday should get use out of their panels.
Will some of the U21s be playing 2 games in 2 days?
Unlikely. Only Ultan Harney double-jobbed this weekend and he only had 40 minutes on Saturday and about 10 on Sunday, his senior debut. Any of the U21s getting serious senior time on Sunday will be off-limits.
Hastings Cup Final, Roscommon v Galway, confirmed for next Saturday at 2pm in Rathcline...Just follow the bus.. I wonder will the forecast of snow lead to many postponements this weekend?
It ll be back to rain by Saturday.
Five minutes left galway 1_8 Ross 2_18
Roscommon 2-21 Galway 1-11 FT.
Well done to the players and management. Consistent performances and lots of squad rotation - seven changes from last week today. You can't ask for much more from January than that, now onto Connacht..
Full time 1_11 Ross 2_21
Disappointing but not surprising from a Galway point of view.
I do think this is a particularly talented Roscommon team.
Ultan Harney scored 0-7 from play before going off. Noel Gately scored 1-4.. 2-21 is a great score without Diarmuid Murtagh and Enda Smith and Thomas Corcoran, who had an ankle operation in Dublin this morning.
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 31, 2015, 03:30:15 PM
Ultan Harney scored 0-7 from play before going off. Noel Gately scored 1-4.. 2-21 is a great score without Diarmuid Murtagh and Enda Smith and Thomas Corcoran, who had an ankle operation in Dublin this morning.
Any word on how long Corc is out for, Shrewdness?
The person who told me said he heard Willie Hegarty mention it in the radio commentary.
The Roscommon machine marches on , the glory days have begun.
Well done to Roscommon.
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 31, 2015, 03:30:15 PM
Ultan Harney scored 0-7 from play before going off. Noel Gately scored 1-4.. 2-21 is a great score without Diarmuid Murtagh and Enda Smith and Thomas Corcoran, who had an ankle operation in Dublin this morning.
That gately lad looked excellent v mayo last year (presume it's the same fella?)
Syferus, in an aftermatch interview, Mark Dowd said that it would be ''touch and go'' whether Thomas Corcoran would be fit for the championship game against Sligo.
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 31, 2015, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 31, 2015, 03:30:15 PM
Ultan Harney scored 0-7 from play before going off. Noel Gately scored 1-4.. 2-21 is a great score without Diarmuid Murtagh and Enda Smith and Thomas Corcoran, who had an ankle operation in Dublin this morning.
it is I think he's still minor
That gately lad looked excellent v mayo last year (presume it's the same fella?)
Yes, it's the same Noel Gately. Doing his Leaving Cert in June.
Quote from: macdanger2 on January 31, 2015, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 31, 2015, 03:30:15 PM
Ultan Harney scored 0-7 from play before going off. Noel Gately scored 1-4.. 2-21 is a great score without Diarmuid Murtagh and Enda Smith and Thomas Corcoran, who had an ankle operation in Dublin this morning.
That gately lad looked excellent v mayo last year (presume it's the same fella?)
Overage this year, didn't make the minor team under FOD in 2013 for whatever reason. Was the star of the show at minor last year. Looks to be taking to U21 as easy as Murt did last year. I hear the sneaky Sligo boys had their spies out in Lanesborough today..
Accomplished display by the young rossies this afternoon. Playing against the strong wind & leading by 2pts it was clear by half time that we were going to win. Within 5 mins of the second half we ended the game as a contest with some clinical finishing. Galway were missing a few key championship starters but to score 2-21 (2-16 from play) in January is very impressive regardless of the opposition.
Another useful pre season competition where we got the chance to give 35 lads a run out. Plenty of options for Mark Dowd to choose from & we won't be looking past Sligo after the way they pushed us all the way last year.
Any day ya score 2-21 is a good day even against half a team.
Any couple of weeks ya bate the Rhus and Herrins on the double is sweet..
HOWEVER..... It's only January and all will be long forgotten in a few weeks.
The real business for the Seniors starts tomorrow and for the gossoons on 18th March.
That was some mauling Galway got although we'll see how they got on in the championship first before getting too carried away.
Apparently there is at least 5 senior lads to be added to that team from Saturday, in Heaney, Farragher, Silke, Comer & Tierney. I'd imagine they would make a huge difference.
Well done to the Ros, it was some result especially for a final.
Seafoid will be delighted to hear that our manager Mark Down said look it at least 40 times in the post match interview :D
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2015, 01:19:36 PM
Seafoid will be delighted to hear that our manager Mark Down said look it at least 40 times in the post match interview :D
Mark would have to be cagey operator to have led the Ballagh Rossies to a Mayo county title. The Mayo lads will be after him at this rate.
Tipp beat laois 3-13 to 3-11 tonight aet. Haven't seen the team but can't imagine it was too strong of a one given we've alot of under 21's on the league panel. Shield final against kerry now where I'd be surprised if either team wanted to show too much
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2015, 01:34:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2015, 01:19:36 PM
Seafoid will be delighted to hear that our manager Mark Down said look it at least 40 times in the post match interview :D
Mark would have to be cagey operator to have led the Ballagh Rossies to a Mayo county title. The Mayo lads will be after him at this rate.
How many Rossies were on that panel then?
All the panel except for any non natives of Ballaghadereen CO. ROSCOMMON.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2015, 11:19:50 PM
All the panel except for any non natives of Ballaghadereen CO. ROSCOMMON.
Haha the irony, sure any fookin native is going to be Mayo .Its the fairymount dads and the sheepwalk mams who blew into the town that cause the confusion.
No irony - they are Ros people since 1898 ;)
So I understand the amount of teams in this tournament have been reduced. Anyone have any fixtures or dates/venues?
As far as I recall reading them somewhere -
Ros play Westmeath Sat 2 Jan at either the Downs or St Lomans
9 Jan v Meath at Clann na nGael
16 Jan v Cavan at Kiltoom.
One other group which as far as I know is made up of Longford, Laythrum, Offaly and Wicklow(??).
Wonder how many of the folks who get AI tickets will be seen on 2nd January?
Doubt any of those teams will be worrying about all Ireland tickets to be honest.
Hopefully we will.
However there are some people from every County who ALWAYS get tickets despite seldom going to a game or being Club Officers.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 25, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
Hopefully we will.
However there are some people from every County who ALWAYS get tickets despite seldom going to a game or being Club Officers.
Looks like Cavan supporters gave up all hope when their nemesis returned to the panel anyways. Only one D1 county in the Hastings Cup of course.
Quote from: Syferus on December 25, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 25, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
Hopefully we will.
However there are some people from every County who ALWAYS get tickets despite seldom going to a game or being Club Officers.
Looks like Cavan supporters gave up all hope when their nemesis returned to the panel anyways. Only one D1 county in the Hastings Cup of course.
Do you think Roscommon are genuine all Ireland contenders?
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 25, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 25, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
Hopefully we will.
However there are some people from every County who ALWAYS get tickets despite seldom going to a game or being Club Officers.
Looks like Cavan supporters gave up all hope when their nemesis returned to the panel anyways. Only one D1 county in the Hastings Cup of course.
Do you think Roscommon are genuine all Ireland contenders?
When we win Connacht we will be.
Yous are 28-1 to win all Ireland. That big odds considering ye are in Connacht (Monaghan are 40-1, likely based on fact they are in ulster)
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 10:03:51 AM
So I understand the amount of teams in this tournament have been reduced. Anyone have any fixtures or dates/venues?
Group 1.
Round 1
LONGFORD V WICKLOW
Time: 12 00 PM , Venue: Keenan Park
Referee: Conor Dourneen
Round 1
OFFALY V LEITRIM
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Gracefield
Referee: Fergal Barry
09.01.16 (Sat)
Round 2
WICKLOW V OFFALY
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Aughrim
Referee: Henry Barrett
Round 2
LEITRIM V LONGFORD
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada
Referee: Niall Ward
16.01.16 (Sat)
Round 3
LEITRIM V WICKLOW
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada
Referee: TBC
Round 3
LONGFORD V OFFALY
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Leo Casey Park
Referee: TBC
Group 2
Round 1
WESTMEATH V ROSCOMMON
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: The Downs
Referee: Patrick Maguire
Round 1
MEATH V CAVAN
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Dunganny
Referee: Noel Hand
09.01.16 (Sat)
Round 2
CAVAN V WESTMEATH
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Kingspan Breffni Pk
Referee: Derek Fahy
Round 2
ROSCOMMON V MEATH
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Johnstown
Referee: Fergal Kelly
16.01.16 (Sat)
Round 3
ROSCOMMON V CAVAN
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Kiltoom
Referee: TBC
Round 3
MEATH V WESTMEATH
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Dunganny
Referee: TBC
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
Yous are 28-1 to win all Ireland. That big odds considering ye are in Connacht (Monaghan are 40-1, likely based on fact they are in ulster)
Monaghan won 2 out of last 3 Ulsters so Bookies must reckon they've shot their bolt.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 25, 2015, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
Yous are 28-1 to win all Ireland. That big odds considering ye are in Connacht (Monaghan are 40-1, likely based on fact they are in ulster)
Monaghan won 2 out of last 3 Ulsters so Bookies must reckon they've shot their bolt.
We'll find out for ourselves on the last day of January. First game of D1 but the loser will be odds-on for relegation.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 25, 2015, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
Yous are 28-1 to win all Ireland. That big odds considering ye are in Connacht (Monaghan are 40-1, likely based on fact they are in ulster)
Monaghan won 2 out of last 3 Ulsters so Bookies must reckon they've shot their bolt.
More to do with the draws in both provinces. Ros only need to beat Sligo to get to a final.
Mayo have entered a pre season under 21 comp which is called the north west cup . I think it's a new competition , it involves ourselves , Fermanagh , Donegal and Sligo and is starting next Saturday the 2nd Jan with a trip to belcoo for Mayo.
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 25, 2015, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 25, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
Yous are 28-1 to win all Ireland. That big odds considering ye are in Connacht (Monaghan are 40-1, likely based on fact they are in ulster)
Monaghan won 2 out of last 3 Ulsters so Bookies must reckon they've shot their bolt.
More to do with the draws in both provinces. Ros only need to beat Sligo to get to a final.
Irrelevant - neither of us will win an AIQF, an AISF and the AIF in 2016.
Roscommon's version of an all ireland title- over to you lads. Dont let us down
Peter McNulty U-21 Football Tournament
Group 1
02.01.16 (Sat)
Round 1
DOWN V TIPPERARY
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Round Towers GFC
Referee: Brendan Cawley
04.01.16 (Mon)
Round 1
LAOIS V WEXFORD
Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Crettyard GAA Club
Referee: John Hickey
09.01.16 (Sat)
Round 2
TIPPERARY V LAOIS
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Dr. Morris Park
Referee: TBC
Round 2
WEXFORD V DOWN
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: To be confirmed
Referee: TBC
16.01.16 (Sat)
Round 3
TIPPERARY V WEXFORD
Time: TBC , Venue: Dr. Morris Park
Referee: TBC
Round 3
LAOIS V DOWN
Time: TBC , Venue: To be confirmed
Referee: TBC
Group 2
04.01.16 (Mon)
Round 1
CARLOW V KILDARE
Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Netwatch Carlow Training Centre
Referee: Maurice Deegan
Round 1
GALWAY V CLARE
Time: 7 30 PM , Venue: Loughgeorge
Referee: Shane Hehir
09.01.16 (Sat)
Round 2
KILDARE V GALWAY
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Hawkfield Centre of Excellence
Referee: TBC
Round 2
CLARE V CARLOW
Time: 2 00 PM , Venue: Cooraclare
Referee: TBC
16.01.16 (Sat)
Round 3
CARLOW V GALWAY
Time: TBC , Venue: Netwatch Carlow Training Centre
Referee: TBC
Round 3
KILDARE V CLARE
Time: TBC , Venue: To be confirmed
Referee: TBC
Quote from: larryin89 on December 25, 2015, 07:11:05 PM
Mayo have entered a pre season under 21 comp which is called the north west cup . I think it's a new competition , it involves ourselves , Fermanagh , Donegal and Sligo and is starting next Saturday the 2nd Jan with a trip to belcoo for Mayo.
It's not a new competition but Mayo are new to it I think.
Maybe Mayo were finding some of the opposition in the Hastings Cup a bit too hot for their liking.
I'm sure I read somewhere that tournament in Sligo is new and caters for the overspill from Hastings cup since all these pre season u21 tournaments have been restricted to 8 teams.
Quote from: Shrewdness on December 30, 2015, 12:37:13 PM
Maybe Mayo were finding some of the opposition in the Hastings Cup a bit too hot for their liking.
Sure now .
Still with all Roscommons big chest thumping over under 21 grade , we still have twice as many all Ireland's and about three times as many Connacht titles at this grade than the annoying Rosies.
Quote from: Itchy on December 30, 2015, 12:42:03 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that tournament in Sligo is new and caters for the overspill from Hastings cup since all these pre season u21 tournaments have been restricted to 8 teams.
Sligo have been in this for a good few years.
Quote from: Itchy on December 30, 2015, 12:42:03 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that tournament in Sligo is new and caters for the overspill from Hastings cup since all these pre season u21 tournaments have been restricted to 8 teams.
Its a returning competition. Sligo played in no pre season U-21 tournament this year which former players such as Eamon O Hara was outspoken about it.
Quote from: larryin89 on December 30, 2015, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on December 30, 2015, 12:37:13 PM
Maybe Mayo were finding some of the opposition in the Hastings Cup a bit too hot for their liking.
Sure now .
Still with all Roscommons big chest thumping over under 21 grade , we still have twice as many all Ireland's and about three times as many Connacht titles at this grade than the annoying Rosies.
That would be expected given the size and resources of Mayo compared to Roscommon.
Tomorrow's Ros game v Westmeath now at St Loman's 2 pm.
Cavan 1-13 Meath 0-12. Close game but Cavan hit 6 in a row in the last 6/7 minutes.
Elsewhere a stunning result as the almighty Ros were embarrassed in their own back yard by pesky west Meath losing 14 to 10. We can only guess the ref was a gobshite or the wrong studs were in use or Westmeath played 6 players over 25 years old.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
Cavan 1-13 Meath 0-12. Close game but Cavan hit 6 in a row in the last 6/7 minutes.
Elsewhere a stunning result as the almighty Ros were embarrassed in their own back yard by pesky west Meath losing 14 to 10. We can only guess the ref was a gobshite or the wrong studs were in use or Westmeath played 6 players over 25 years old.
Unless they've moved Mullingar into Connacht, the games was in Westmeath
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2016, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
Cavan 1-13 Meath 0-12. Close game but Cavan hit 6 in a row in the last 6/7 minutes.
Elsewhere a stunning result as the almighty Ros were embarrassed in their own back yard by pesky west Meath losing 14 to 10. We can only guess the ref was a gobshite or the wrong studs were in use or Westmeath played 6 players over 25 years old.
Unless they've moved Mullingar into Connacht, the games was in Westmeath
Still, a seismic shock. If Acrington Stanley bet Barcelona it would be irrelevant what the venue was. Cavan could suffer the backlash in a few weeks time.
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2016, 04:41:32 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 02, 2016, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2016, 03:22:55 PM
Cavan 1-13 Meath 0-12. Close game but Cavan hit 6 in a row in the last 6/7 minutes.
Elsewhere a stunning result as the almighty Ros were embarrassed in their own back yard by pesky west Meath losing 14 to 10. We can only guess the ref was a gobshite or the wrong studs were in use or Westmeath played 6 players over 25 years old.
Unless they've moved Mullingar into Connacht, the games was in Westmeath
Still, a seismic shock. If Acrington Stanley bet Barcelona it would be irrelevant what the venue was. Cavan could suffer the backlash in a few weeks time.
As Syferus will tell you it's not unusual for Westmeath to beat Roscommon in this competition.
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
Ros 0-13 Westmeath 1-13 FT.
Itchy, for your own sake, you should try to get your facts straight. It will save you from making a bollix of yourself, like you did above. Very experimental Ros team today btw.
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 02, 2016, 06:42:10 PM
Itchy, for your own sake, you should try to get your facts straight. It will save you from making a bollix of yourself, like you did above. Very experimental Ros team today btw.
No Harney, Compton or D Murtagh e.g.
Good 2nd and 3rd quarters by our lads but fell away badly in the last one being outscored something like 7-2.
We weren't hectic in the middle third and of course 10 handfcukinpasses when 1 or 2 would do.
Westmeath bench acting like it was the AI Final!!.
Leitrim played the Biffs on the pitch after our game.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 02, 2016, 06:47:32 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on January 02, 2016, 06:42:10 PM
Itchy, for your own sake, you should try to get your facts straight. It will save you from making a bollix of yourself, like you did above. Very experimental Ros team today btw.
No Harney, Compton or D Murtagh e.g.
Good 2nd and 3rd quarters by our lads but fell away badly in the last one being outscored something like 7-2.
We weren't hectic in the middle third and of course 10 handfcukinpasses when 1 or 2 would do.
Westmeath bench acting like it was the AI Final!!.
Leitrim played the Biffs on the pitch after our game.
Had to laugh at that but in bold considering some of your comrades on here.
Shrewdness, calm down now good lad. I know the result is deeply upsetting but ye are not out of this critical tournament just yet. I just hope Cavan can bridge years of hurt and bring the Hastings home.
Great to see Midland and Midulster teams bitching between themselves ;D
Quote from: moysider on January 03, 2016, 12:45:11 AM
Great to see Midland and Midulster teams bitching between themselves ;D
How would Cavan be in mid ulster ya pleb. All out for the Hastings we are, bring her home lads.
Quote from: Itchy on January 03, 2016, 12:49:38 AM
Quote from: moysider on January 03, 2016, 12:45:11 AM
Great to see Midland and Midulster teams bitching between themselves ;D
How would Cavan be in mid ulster ya pleb. All out for the Hastings we are, bring her home lads.
North Midlands so or just Midlands so ya contrary bollicks. Happy New Year ::)
What teams are in this competition? Sligo U.21s played yesterday but not sure what competition it was
Sligo in a different tournament with donegal, Fermanagh and mayo I think. Gaa hq said there can be no more than 8 teams in these u21 pre season tournaments. So that's Longford, Cavan, Ros, Leitrim, Meath, Offaly, Westmeath and Wicklow I think.
Anyone tell me more about the Sligo U.21 competition. Apparently it's called the North West cup?
Are there other 21 tournaments as well as the Hastings cup?
Quote from: ck on January 03, 2016, 08:50:54 PM
Anyone tell me more about the Sligo U.21 competition. Apparently it's called the North West cup?
Are there other 21 tournaments as well as the Hastings cup?
A page back on this thread I posted up fixtures. Other than those three there is another competition in Ulster called the shamrock cup Tyrone Antrim and a few others take part in that.
Would anyone share my view that these pre season U.21 competitions are a bit of a nonsense?. The GAA should step in and take control of them. The reality is that most of this age group are at college or school therefore playing in college school competitions too. Either that or disband school competitions. I see it in my club all the time, young lads playing in too many competitions serving too many masters. There is never any winners and player development can be hampered.
Tipp beat down 1-11 to 12 at the weekend. We have a very decent 21 team this year again but with colin o riordan now in australia and the fact the the draw is kerry away first round i doubt we'll get to see much of us
Quote from: ck on January 04, 2016, 09:25:28 AM
Would anyone share my view that these pre season U.21 competitions are a bit of a nonsense?. The GAA should step in and take control of them. The reality is that most of this age group are at college or school therefore playing in college school competitions too. Either that or disband school competitions. I see it in my club all the time, young lads playing in too many competitions serving too many masters. There is never any winners and player development can be hampered.
You're not really keeping up with the thread, ck.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 30, 2015, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 30, 2015, 12:42:03 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere that tournament in Sligo is new and caters for the overspill from Hastings cup since all these pre season u21 tournaments have been restricted to 8 teams.
Its a returning competition. Sligo played in no pre season U-21 tournament this year which former players such as Eamon O Hara was outspoken about it.
Quote from: larryin89 on December 30, 2015, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on December 30, 2015, 12:37:13 PM
Maybe Mayo were finding some of the opposition in the Hastings Cup a bit too hot for their liking.
Sure now .
Still with all Roscommons big chest thumping over under 21 grade , we still have twice as many all Ireland's and about three times as many Connacht titles at this grade than the annoying Rosies.
That would be expected given the size and resources of Mayo compared to Roscommon.
Thanks - I stand (partially) corrected. Also, I have learned that the Cup is a new Cup, presented by the McPartland family in memory of Mary McPartland, wife of John Snr (currently Development officer of Sligo county board) and mother of John Jnr (former Sligo player and now U-21 selector). Mary was a great GAA supporter and never missed a match. See below.
http://www.sligogaa.ie/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleid=20320 (http://www.sligogaa.ie/ArticleDetail.aspx?articleid=20320)
According to sligogaa Sligo lost 0-9 to 2-7 to Donegal in the first match of that competition.
Huge games tomorrow - can't wait!
Mayo hammered Sligo by 17 points in the north west cup today. With the 2013,14 winning sides to pick from the wise money should be placed on Mayo to win Connacht U21 this year.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 09, 2016, 02:08:02 PM
Mayo hammered Sligo by 17 points in the north west cup today. With the 2013,14 winning sides to pick from the wise money should be placed on Mayo to win Connacht U21 this year.
Ahh I don't know about that TBH . It's a funny old grade these days when you factor in that an inter county senior players career is looking at 23/24 now for peak with people saying you're over the hill nearly at 29/30 this all means the likes of dirmuid o Connor and Stephen coen will not be looking on 21 grade as their major aim , with likes of hall , Kenny and loftus having realistic goals of being part of 2016 senior squad too . Way things are going fionan Duffy and Akram could be near staking claims too .
In 2013 we had the makings of a great under 21 team and went out in first rd in tuam to Galway by a couple of points , a team that had Cillian , Conor o Shea, Adam Gallagher, Danny kirby , Evan Regan in it . I just think 21s is a hard grade to forecast.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 09, 2016, 02:08:02 PM
Mayo hammered Sligo by 17 points in the north west cup today. With the 2013,14 winning sides to pick from the wise money should be placed on Mayo to win Connacht U21 this year.
Hammering Sligo at U21 isn't a rare occurrence.
Devastated today.
We won't be retaining th'oul Hashtins the year anyway :-\
Lost 0-11 to 1-17 to Bloodymeath today.
Nobody should read too much ,either way, into these results.,A lot of teams are missing key players, and are trying out fringe players in different positions etc. However, that's not taking anything away from any team that have got off to a good start in the past week.
Tipp beat laois 1-7 to 8. Good to start the year with a pair of wins
Kildare hammered Galway yesterday.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 10, 2016, 07:06:48 AM
Kildare hammered Galway yesterday.
A fairly weakened Galway side. Kildare will be favourites to win Leinster U21 all the same.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 10, 2016, 07:52:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 10, 2016, 07:06:48 AM
Kildare hammered Galway yesterday.
A fairly weakened Galway side. Kildare will be favourites to win Leinster U21 all the same.
is it just top two from each group meet in the final?
Quote from: tippabu on January 10, 2016, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 10, 2016, 07:52:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 10, 2016, 07:06:48 AM
Kildare hammered Galway yesterday.
A fairly weakened Galway side. Kildare will be favourites to win Leinster U21 all the same.
is it just top two from each group meet in the final?
I believe so and the 2nd place sides would go into a shield final like the Hastings cup.
Quote from: tippabu on January 10, 2016, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 10, 2016, 07:52:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 10, 2016, 07:06:48 AM
Kildare hammered Galway yesterday.
A fairly weakened Galway side. Kildare will be favourites to win Leinster U21 all the same.
is it just top two from each group meet in the final?
There are semi finals and shield semi finals in the Peter McNulty tournament. Every team is guaranteed at least four games:
23-01-2016 (Sat)
Peter McNulty U21 Football Tournament Semi Finals (Group Winners – Home Venue)
(Group A Winner v Group B Runner up / Group B Winner v Group A Runner up)
Peter McNulty U21 Football Tournament Shield Semi Finals (Group 3rd. – Home Venue)
(Group A 3rd. v Group B 4th. / Group B 3rd. v Group A 4th.)
30-01-2016 (Sat)
Peter McNulty U21 Football Tournament Final (Laois Venue)
Peter McNulty U21 Football Tournament Shield Final (Laois Venue)
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 10, 2016, 10:23:49 AM
Quote from: tippabu on January 10, 2016, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 10, 2016, 07:52:19 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 10, 2016, 07:06:48 AM
Kildare hammered Galway yesterday.
A fairly weakened Galway side. Kildare will be favourites to win Leinster U21 all the same.
is it just top two from each group meet in the final?
I believe so and the 2nd place sides would go into a shield final like the Hastings cup.
I'm sure I read that every team in Hastings is due a game after group stages which means top two must go into semis of main event and bottom two into shield semi.
I stand corrected then as I was going on the old format of two groups of four which included a cup and shield final.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 10, 2016, 11:00:02 AM
I stand corrected then as I was going on the old format of two groups of four which included a cup and shield final.
Well I'm not 100% on that but thought I read it somewhere.
Cavan beat Roscommon by a point to get into the Hastings Semi Final. Our defensive prowess appears to be on the wane after conceding 3 penalties but great to get the win against the Rossies, they don't come too often for us these days.
Longford have just destroyed Offaly
3-21
1-06
Good Lord - that's a fair auld whupping for the Offaly lads.
Longford now in semi-final.
Anyone know how Galway got on against Carlow today?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 16, 2016, 06:58:32 PM
Anyone know how Galway got on against Carlow today?
Galway 4-11 Carlow 1-6
Would be very worried for Ofally football, their U 21's were very poor against what was not a full strength Longford side . Only their corner forward Tierney looked the part. Again the fact they had already qualified for the semi final may have been a factor but championship is little over 5 weeks ahead and doesnt bode well for a game against Kildare who would be favourites following their minor win 3 years ago
Sligo V Fermanagh was called off. Re-fixed for Irvinestown for Wednesday night
Are we still in this?
Meath are in the shield semi I think.
The big news which is reverberating around the whole country and perhaps even into the wider universe (heh if Sep Blatter says there could be soccer played on other planets, I dont see why the Hastings cup couldnt follow.) That news is the fact that the unbeatable Rossies have been beaten 3 times in this tournament.
To quote Syfín from stolensheep a few years ago "We are concentrating on the shield rather than the cup this year" ;)
Quote from: Jinxy on January 17, 2016, 09:59:57 PM
Are we still in this?
This is turning into quite a nice habit. http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2016/01/16/4112742-meath-exit-hastings-cup/ (http://www.meathchronicle.ie/sport/gaa/articles/2016/01/16/4112742-meath-exit-hastings-cup/)
A glorious victory for Cavan over Longford as the team get within one win of another legendary title.
We play Laythrum in a Shieldeen semi final in Rathcline's ground tomorra.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 22, 2016, 10:15:48 PM
We play Laythrum in a Shieldeen semi final in Rathcline's ground tomorra.
I hear you're getting a run out this weekend lad.
Game abandoned due to Leitrim player collapsing - defribillator used and he's gone to Hospital.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 23, 2016, 03:43:40 PM
Game abandoned due to Leitrim player collapsing - defribillator used and he's gone to Hospital.
Jesus. I hope he's ok? That's a scary, scary scene. We had a young lad from Carlow collapse playing against us in an u14 challenge. It's rotten stuff. At least the Carlow lad stayed conscious and was on the phone to his dad when the ambulance arrived
Heard he was sitting up in Ambulance as it left the ground.
Hope he will be OK.
Thankfully not another Philly McGuiness situation for Leitrim. I assume the game has to be refixed given the winners of the other semi-final would have no one to play otherwise.
Offaly beat westmeath in the other semi 2-7 to 0-12. Final is now Cavan v Offaly next weekend.
Was at the Sligo Fermanagh game at the weekend. Sligo won by a point with a very good performance in extremely difficult conditions. Sligo look very physically strong and have a few minors in from last year. Could be a sneaky bet for Connacht
Hastings cup Final, 16 mins gone Cavan 0-6 Offaly 0-2.
Live commentary on www.wearecavan.com
6 all at half time
Half way through 2nd half Offaly lead 2-7 to 0-10
Offaly win 3-9 to 1-11
Devastated!
Quote from: Itchy on January 30, 2016, 03:14:28 PM
Offaly win 3-9 to 1-11
Devastated!
Well done to Offaly. They won another Longford ran competition Fr Manning cup 3 years ago so they seem to be putting in the ground work at underage.
Quote from: Itchy on January 30, 2016, 03:14:28 PM
Offaly win 3-9 to 1-11
Devastated!
Ya might stop your anti Ros nonsense now that superCavan are proven not to be so super :-*
Great win for Offaly, at minor level 3 years ago they hammered Meath scoring 6-10 but then lost heavily to Kildare in the next game, they won a couple of games in 2014 too before being beaten by Dublin while last year they were unlucky to be beat by Kildare by only a point.
The first round clash against Kildare in Leinster should be a good one this year and although Kildare will be favourites it is a big task.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2016, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 30, 2016, 03:14:28 PM
Offaly win 3-9 to 1-11
Devastated!
Ya might stop your anti Ros nonsense now that superCavan are proven not to be so super :-*
Half the Cavan team are off to the US now and will miss the championship.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2016, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 30, 2016, 03:14:28 PM
Offaly win 3-9 to 1-11
Devastated!
Ya might stop your anti Ros nonsense now that superCavan are proven not to be so super :-*
At least we enter February still in the race for a Hastings trophy.
Kildare have won the inaugural McNulty Cup beating Laois in the final 2-15 to 2-13 after extra time. Down beat Tipp in the shield final earlier.
Meath back in the big time.... Bet Laythrum in the Shield Final yesterday.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 21, 2016, 09:15:28 PM
Meath back in the big time.... Bet Laythrum in the Shield Final yesterday.
We're favoured to beat Galway and we haven't won a match in 10 months. The fishes must be brutal the poor things.
It's back - starting tomorrow. And the big one is Cavan v Roscommon in Gowna!
Think we have Western Meath at home next weekend and then a rumour we're off to Kenagh Friday 13th
Quote from: Itchy on January 01, 2017, 02:14:01 PM
It's back - starting tomorrow. And the big one is Cavan v Roscommon in Gowna!
Also on tomorrow
Offaly v Meath at 12
Leitrim v Wicklow at 2pm
And Tuesday at 730
Westmeath v longford
The champs get off to a winning start with 2 point win against Meath
Cavan 2-5 Roscommon 0-8 at HT
Ros went 6 nil up, Cavan hit 2 goals in a few minutes. Anyone interested can see team sheets on Cavan gaa twitter
Quote from: Itchy on January 02, 2017, 02:33:53 PM
Cavan 2-5 Roscommon 0-8 at HT
Ros went 6 nil up, Cavan hit 2 goals in a few minutes. Anyone interested can see team sheets on Cavan gaa twitter
Cavan 3-15 Ros 0-14 Full Time
Leitrim 3-14 Wicklow 1-10 another result. Leitrim minors in 2014 won the Connacht league they might fancy their chances to win the Hastings cup now..
Sligo beat donegal 2-13 to 2-7 today in the north west cup.
Don't know how many players were missing from both sides but an away win v donegal is always a bonus for us. Maybe some of the college success is starting to show at the u21 level
Good result. We haven't had much success in that competition.
Meath 3-15
Leitrim 0-14
Cavan lost 1-8 to 1-12 to Longford.
3 points only for us only in the 2nd half. It highlights our problem, no top notch forwards which will probably mean we won't go too far this year again.
In the far superior McNulty cup Kildare beat Wexford away last night.
Played tonight Longford 2-14 Roscommon 1-10.
Poor old Ros get the wooden spoon. Things are so bad sphilis hasn't made an appearance on this thread at all this year. Fair weather supporter I suppose.
Quote from: Itchy on January 13, 2017, 09:34:17 PM
Played tonight Longford 2-14 Roscommon 1-10.
Poor old Ros get the wooden spoon. Things are so bad sphilis hasn't made an appearance on this thread at all this year. Fair weather supporter I suppose.
[/quoteTto busy posting on the Mayo threads telling us how bad we are is more like it
We have been awful but seems we've gone through about 40 players in the 3 games.
Add in shoestring budget, a rookie manager appointed at the tail end of the year (when all other candidates withdrew) plus 2 poor minor teams in 14 and 15 we're in severe danger of losing all 4 competitive games.
Ah well.....
Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
We have been awful but seems we've gone through about 40 players in the 3 games.
Add in shoestring budget, a rookie manager appointed at the tail end of the year (when all other candidates withdrew) plus 2 poor minor teams in 14 and 15 we're in severe danger of losing all 4 competitive games.
Ah well.....
Hastings cup could have shield section yet. 3rd v 4th and 4th v 3rd in the groups fare off for a place in the shield final.
This afternoon results.
Leitrim 2-14 Offaly 2-8
Cavan 1-16 Westmeath 2-10
Semi final line up for next weekend
Meath v Cavan
Longford v Leitrim
Quote from: Rossfan on January 14, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
We have been awful but seems we've gone through about 40 players in the 3 games.
Add in shoestring budget, a rookie manager appointed at the tail end of the year (when all other candidates withdrew) plus 2 poor minor teams in 14 and 15 we're in severe danger of losing all 4 competitive games.
Ah well.....
I thought Mulryan is back flashing the cash after keeping a low profile through the NAMA bailout?
Kildare were beat by Clare by a point but had a very much 2nd maybe 3rd string team out.
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 03, 2017, 04:12:26 PM
Sligo beat donegal 2-13 to 2-7 today in the north west cup.
Don't know how many players were missing from both sides but an away win v donegal is always a bonus for us. Maybe some of the college success is starting to show at the u21 level
Another good win for Sligo tonight.
Sligo 2-5 Mayo 0-10
Good result for Sligo. I'm assuming there was a lot of wind as we only scored 2 points in the second half and mayo only scored 2 in the first half.
Great to beat both donegal and mayo in succession.
Well done to all involved
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 14, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
Good result for Sligo. I'm assuming there was a lot of wind as we only scored 2 points in the second half and mayo only scored 2 in the first half.
Great to beat both donegal and mayo in succession.
Well done to all involved
Yes great result. We hammered Donegal and now we beat the All Ireland champions. Three years ago this team promised great things but under achieved. This could be the year they come of age.
Quote from: ck on January 14, 2017, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 14, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
Good result for Sligo. I'm assuming there was a lot of wind as we only scored 2 points in the second half and mayo only scored 2 in the first half.
Great to beat both donegal and mayo in succession.
Well done to all involved
Yes great result. We hammered Donegal and now we beat the All Ireland champions. Three years ago this team promised great things but under achieved. This could be the year they come of age.
last decent U21 team Sligo had was in 1999
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 14, 2017, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: ck on January 14, 2017, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 14, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
Good result for Sligo. I'm assuming there was a lot of wind as we only scored 2 points in the second half and mayo only scored 2 in the first half.
Great to beat both donegal and mayo in succession.
Well done to all involved
Yes great result. We hammered Donegal and now we beat the All Ireland champions. Three years ago this team promised great things but under achieved. This could be the year they come of age.
last decent U21 team Sligo had was in 1999
What criteria do you use for that?
Quote from: ck on January 14, 2017, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 14, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
Good result for Sligo. I'm assuming there was a lot of wind as we only scored 2 points in the second half and mayo only scored 2 in the first half.
Great to beat both donegal and mayo in succession.
Well done to all involved
Yes great result. We hammered Donegal and now we beat the All Ireland champions. Three years ago this team promised great things but under achieved. This could be the year they come of age.
Yes, lets hope so. Obviously no one near championship level but any wins over Donegal and Mayo are always welcome.
I really dunno what yer getting excited about. We'll beat ye, same as always. Ye lost the last two matches by a combined 37 points..
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2017, 01:30:45 AM
I really dunno what yer getting excited about. We'll beat ye, same as always. Ye lost the last two matches by a combined 37 points..
Don't get too surprised or excited if this years Connacht U21 final is a repeat of the Connacht 2015 minor final.
Sy
What have ye done this year?
As they say past performance is no guarantee of future results...
I think we would beat ye easily this year based on the results so far this year
We are playing Roscommon in Kiltoom in the semi which will be massive task, we have the players to do it, not sure about the management,
Also im getting married the day of the Connacht final April 1st no joke, I did ask permission if I could go (ie take a break from the wedding for a hrs) if Sligo get there but it was declined :(( Any chance prenty could change the date or otherwise I'll be praying for the draw and Sligo win the replay so I can be there
For me beating Donegal and Mayo is pretty meaningless, we are 6 weeks out from kiltoom, Roscommon will improve and so would the likes of Mayo, in fact they were always going to be very rusty 1st day out and all, still don't understand why Sligo don't enter Hastings cup
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on January 17, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
We are playing Roscommon in Kiltoom in the semi which will be massive task, we have the players to do it, not sure about the management,
Also im getting married the day of the Connacht final April 1st no joke, I did ask permission if I could go (ie take a break from the wedding for a hrs) if Sligo get there but it was declined :(( Any chance prenty could change the date or otherwise I'll be praying for the draw and Sligo win the replay so I can be there
For me beating Donegal and Mayo is pretty meaningless, we are 6 weeks out from kiltoom, Roscommon will improve and so would the likes of Mayo, in fact they were always going to be very rusty 1st day out and all, still don't understand why Sligo don't enter Hastings cup
Good to hear from you lad and best wishes for the upcoming wedding.
Of course it's nothing to get overly excited about but winning is always a good thing especially against counties that think they have a divine right to trample all over you. Seems this NW Cup has now plenty of good sides in it so maybe we're not at as much of a disadvantage as previously.
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 17, 2017, 01:23:22 PM
Sy
What have ye done this year?
As they say past performance is no guarantee of future results...
I think we would beat ye easily this year based on the results so far this year
We lost every Hastings Cup game last year and still went up to Sligo and hammered ye.
None of the silly poor mouth stuff - if ye think yer coming to Kiltoom and winning after the last two games at U21 and the indignity of losing to ye in minor in 2015 in the same ground you're in for a shock.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on January 17, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
We are playing Roscommon in Kiltoom in the semi which will be massive task, we have the players to do it, not sure about the management,
Also im getting married the day of the Connacht final April 1st no joke, I did ask permission if I could go (ie take a break from the wedding for a hrs) if Sligo get there but it was declined :(( Any chance prenty could change the date or otherwise I'll be praying for the draw and Sligo win the replay so I can be there
For me beating Donegal and Mayo is pretty meaningless, we are 6 weeks out from kiltoom, Roscommon will improve and so would the likes of Mayo, in fact they were always going to be very rusty 1st day out and all, still don't understand why Sligo don't enter Hastings cup
Great news. Congratulations to you and best wishes to the good lady. May ye both be happy forever.
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on January 17, 2017, 01:23:22 PM
Sy
What have ye done this year?
As they say past performance is no guarantee of future results...
I think we would beat ye easily this year based on the results so far this year
We lost every Hastings Cup game last year and still went up to Sligo and hammered ye.
None of the silly poor mouth stuff - if ye think yer coming to Kiltoom and winning after the last two games at U21 and the indignity of losing to ye in minor in 2015 in the same ground you're in for a shock.
You can't judge a U21 team this spring on what happened the previous year. Galway All Ireland champions 2013 to beaten by Leitrim 2014 a prime example.
Anyway the majority of the best Roscommon U21 players last year now seem to be overage while Sligo will introduce big additions from their 2015,16 minor sides.
Congrats Sligonian.
Congrats Sligonian, this woman seems to have calmed you down big time.
We miss you around here.....
Thanks lads, haha Sligoman2, I dunno ive been so tempted many times to post on here and hoganstand, especially when I see the insanity of Sligo GAA at work, repeating the same mistakes over and over, ie team selection, manager selections just setting us up to fail but when you've nothing good to say, say nothing and it gains nothing really (ive learned that them lessons).
Also the more im living away the more out of touch I become, especially with underage and players coming through and the club scene, so player names I recognise less and less although I know the Sligo minors of 2015 inside out and id have high hopes for this years with the draw,
For 2017, the seniors will do well to stay in div3 with only 3 home games and wont get near a Connacht final, might be the first team to lose in New York, that's a 50/50 call for me. U21 for me are 50/50 to get Connacht final, ros were poor in 2015 at minor and our u21s are good this year but I'm unconvinced about the management team, minors should make it to the final and i'm pinning all my hopes on them this year. Most years one Sligo team will give you a false hope with a freak result/performance only to get destroyed when you begin to believe. ie last years senior against Roscommon but tbf myself and Dad predicted the 2nd half collapse at ht.
Pretty accurate assessment there Sligonian and how I'd be feeling also. Will be pretty sad to see Vinny playing against Sligo in May and a Mayo man in goals for Sligo but there you go. I'm not going to it. Been over twice in the last 6 months so another trip would be a big ask plus I'm shit scared of what this idiot that's getting inaugurated on Friday might do. We could easily lose that game and I'm very worried about us retaining Div 3 status. A few lads back will give us some more experience but I've no faith in the manager.
Meath 2-09
Cavan 1-08
Playing Longford in the final.
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Quote from: galwayman on January 21, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Who manages yes Galway man?
Quote from: ck on January 21, 2017, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 21, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Who manages yes Galway man?
Gerry Fahy is the u21 manager this year as he was last also.
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2017, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: ck on January 21, 2017, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 21, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Who manages yes Galway man?
Gerry Fahy is the u21 manager this year as he was last also.
The word on him is not good, why is that?
Galway minors were a fine side 3 year ago, would be expecting big things at u21 level
Quote from: ck on January 22, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2017, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: ck on January 21, 2017, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 21, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Who manages yes Galway man?
Gerry Fahy is the u21 manager this year as he was last also.
The word on him is not good, why is that?
Galway minors were a fine side 3 year ago, would be expecting big things at u21 level
They didn't even make the Connacht final three years ago. Very possible they won't make the Connacht final at U21 this year too.
Hastings cup final Friday 8pm in Allen park
Longford v Meath
Hastings shield final Saturday in Keenan park
Westmeath v Roscommon
North west cup final Saturday 2pm in Markievicz park
Sligo v Mayo
McNulty Cup Semi-Finals
Limerick v Laois
7 45 PM in Gaelic Grounds
Galway v Clare
7 45 PM. In Loughgeorge
Shield Semi-Finals
Kildare v Carlow
7 45 PM in the Hawkfield Centre of Excellence
Tipperary v Wexford
7 45 PM in Dr. Morris Park
All McNulty cup games on Wednesday night.
Galway beaten by Clare last night, doesn't sound great although I'd imagine that side will be totally different come championship given the amount of lads playing for NUIG yesterday and GMIT today.
The feckin Shield Final is at 11 Saturday feckin morning :o!?
Hastings Cup Final, longford v Meath switched from Allen Park on Friday night to Lynch Park Sunday Jan 29 2.30pm
Mind games.
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2017, 11:49:50 PM
Quote from: ck on January 22, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2017, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: ck on January 21, 2017, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 21, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Who manages yes Galway man?
Gerry Fahy is the u21 manager this year as he was last also.
The word on him is not good, why is that?
Galway minors were a fine side 3 year ago, would be expecting big things at u21 level
They didn't even make the Connacht final three years ago. Very possible they won't make the Connacht final at U21 this year too.
Yeah they were robbed 3 years ago to Mayo in semi final. They were an excellent side all the same
Quote from: ck on January 22, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 22, 2017, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: ck on January 21, 2017, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: galwayman on January 21, 2017, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 21, 2017, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: SCFC on January 21, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Galway beat Laois 3-8 to 0-7 or thereabouts in the corresponding McNulty Cup today. They seem to be decent this year, that's three wins from three for three for them.
More than decent. Should be the team to beat in Connacht and probably only Kerry better than them in the All Ireland series.
Longford won the other Hastings cup semi final v Leitrim by 2 points. They will have home advantage in the final v Meath.
In the north west cup Mayo had a good comeback win against Donegal. 1-10 to 1-4 behind to win 1-12 to 1-11. Mayo v Sligo final next weekend.
There's a lot of potential in this years group for sure.
The concern within the county is with the management setup which would curb my optimism hugely.
Who manages yes Galway man?
Gerry Fahy is the u21 manager this year as he was last also.
The word on him is not good, why is that?
Galway minors were a fine side 3 year ago, would be expecting big things at u21 level
He has been over county minor and under 21 teams before that had potential and did nothing with any of them.
Hastings shield AET. Roscommon 0-13 Westmeath 0-12.
Onwards and upwards. 8)
North West cup final result.
Mayo 3-12 Sligo 1-10.
It was 1-9 each with 7 minutes to play.
Seven weeks til Sligo come to Kiltoom. All that and we're the ones who won a bit of tin. If a few of the third year players that are out are fit for the match we'll be in good shape to make the last U21 Connacht final.
Kildare hammered a weakened Tipp to win the McNulty shield final, the first time the all the senior panellists have played. Hard to know if these tournaments are of any use in the long term as it seems the more successful counties don't bother with them.
Dublin will be very hard to beat in Leinster with Con O'Callaghan still underage and their 2014 minor team was exceptional.
Hastings cup result AET Meath 3-10 Longford 1-14
Well done Meath
Thanks, it's been a good day with Colmcilles winning as well.
I was at the NW (Mary McPartland) Cup final. Good enough game with Mayo probably deserved winners though probably not by the end margin. I thought we had timed our second half burst we'll when we hit the front going into the last quarter but Mayos second goal which was very easily conceded seemed to break our lads concentration and momentum (at the very least).
I thought our team showed a lot of potential though some weak links were obvious and were pretty ruthlessly exposed. Mayo are pretty good and well organised. I thought their composure late on was commendable and it seems that as well as a good footballer, Akram is a serious leader. He was only on a short time but I was very impressed with the responsibility he takes and the way others respond to him.
I'd have loved Sligo to win the cup as I knew Mary McPartland and she was a great GAA supporter. However, it was not to be. Our team has potential but a lot of work needs to be done between now and the championship if we're to hold our own and give ourselves a chance of winning.