China Coronavirus

[five points]

Meanwhile IBEC calling on the Government to borrow Billions (€15bn to stimulate the economy + €25bn further for investment projects).
The irony after 40 years of telling Government to stop spending and keep their noses out of business.
Hopefully mé féin Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism is now consigned to history.

IBEC has nothing to do with Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism, mé féin or otherwise. It is mainly funded by the banks, ESB, RTE, VHI, Eir etc. Those guys have been living their lifetimes off subsidies. An Irish Thatcher or Reagan would cut through them like butter.

[Smurfy123]

Jesus lads you are all getting carried away here
All the talk 5 weeks ago was we are going to come under severe pressure in the NHS and hundreds of deaths a day. It has not happened and won't happen
The big talk about people comin back from Cheltenham to the North was catastrophic but it just has not happened. The virus is not a deadly as many are making it out to be. Places around here are open this 3/4 weeks and no spike. Takeaways Building Merchants Walkers.
Some of you need to catch a grip.
It's as if people on here don't want to get back to normal

[GetOverTheBar]

Jesus lads you are all getting carried away here
All the talk 5 weeks ago was we are going to come under severe pressure in the NHS and hundreds of deaths a day. It has not happened and won't happen
The big talk about people comin back from Cheltenham to the North was catastrophic but it just has not happened. The virus is not a deadly as many are making it out to be. Places around here are open this 3/4 weeks and no spike. Takeaways Building Merchants Walkers.
Some of you need to catch a grip.
It's as if people on here don't want to get back to normal

There is an element of that on the board, I'll give you that.

[clarshack]

Jesus lads you are all getting carried away here
All the talk 5 weeks ago was we are going to come under severe pressure in the NHS and hundreds of deaths a day. It has not happened and won't happen
The big talk about people comin back from Cheltenham to the North was catastrophic but it just has not happened. The virus is not a deadly as many are making it out to be. Places around here are open this 3/4 weeks and no spike. Takeaways Building Merchants Walkers.
Some of you need to catch a grip.
It's as if people on here don't want to get back to normal

Good post. Yeah there was some amount of doomsday scenarios re Cheltenham.

[Rossfan]

Meanwhile IBEC calling on the Government to borrow Billions (€15bn to stimulate the economy + €25bn further for investment projects).
The irony after 40 years of telling Government to stop spending and keep their noses out of business.
Hopefully mé féin Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism is now consigned to history.

IBEC has nothing to do with Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism, mé féin or otherwise. It is mainly funded by the banks, ESB, RTE, VHI, Eir etc. Those guys have been living their lifetimes off subsidies. An Irish Thatcher or Reagan would cut through them like butter.

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[RadioGAAGAA]

All the talk 5 weeks ago was we are going to come under severe pressure in the NHS and hundreds of deaths a day. It has not happened and won't happen

... and the lack of deaths a day had nothing to do with closing down the entire economy.

Fukkin brains here all right. 

[five points]

Meanwhile IBEC calling on the Government to borrow Billions (€15bn to stimulate the economy + €25bn further for investment projects).
The irony after 40 years of telling Government to stop spending and keep their noses out of business.
Hopefully mé féin Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism is now consigned to history.

IBEC has nothing to do with Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism, mé féin or otherwise. It is mainly funded by the banks, ESB, RTE, VHI, Eir etc. Those guys have been living their lifetimes off subsidies. An Irish Thatcher or Reagan would cut through them like butter.

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Who do you think funds it? Granted, this is from 2008 but I haven't heard of any major changes in the meantime. https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/1m-a-year-in-public-money-props-up-ibec-26476643.html

[RadioGAAGAA]

Good post. Yeah there was some amount of doomsday scenarios re Cheltenham.

Given a few have come back from Cheltenham and got the virus - almost surely meaning they got it there - we don't know if that has led directly or indirectly to deaths or not. Probably has.

[Smurfy123]

Why would you think it probably has? But sure the outcry here about the people travelling to Cheltenham and it was going to be catastrophic has not happened. Can you at least admit to that. Yes lockdown has certainly slowed down the spread but again by how much? Outcry yesterday about Germany's r rate at 1.3 and now it's down to 0.8 not a word of it. Scaremongering all round
This Coronavirus is here to stay so we need to learn how to live with it
3700 extra home abuse claims in 3 weeks in the uk
The cure will be as bad as the virus
Scotland moving forward and opening up things quicker than they said Surgeon just confirmed. After all her bluster over the weekend

[Milltown Row2]

As a quick poll/survey who on here doesn't want back to work?

[Hound]

Meanwhile IBEC calling on the Government to borrow Billions (€15bn to stimulate the economy + €25bn further for investment projects).
The irony after 40 years of telling Government to stop spending and keep their noses out of business.
Hopefully mé féin Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism is now consigned to history.

IBEC has nothing to do with Anglo American Thatcher/Reagan neo liberalism, mé féin or otherwise. It is mainly funded by the banks, ESB, RTE, VHI, Eir etc. Those guys have been living their lifetimes off subsidies. An Irish Thatcher or Reagan would cut through them like butter.

??

Who do you think funds it? Granted, this is from 2008 but I haven't heard of any major changes in the meantime. https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/1m-a-year-in-public-money-props-up-ibec-26476643.html

A deliberately misleading article by Shane Ross! He presumably had the full facts but chose only to tell those that could skew an article the way he wanted it.

True, €1m of IBEC's subscriptions are paid by bodies like ESB, Dublin Airport, RTE, etc. But there's no mention of how that compared to total subscriptions received.

I know that IBEC's total income is €24.9m for 2018. But giving the reader the full facts so they could make an informed decision was not part of the "journalist's" remit when writing that article. 

[RadioGAAGAA]

Why would you think it probably has?

Because it probably has. 

How many dead across the UK now?

We know of a few here in NI that went to Cheltenham and either got it there or somehow got it afterwards. The numbers from here attending were quite low in comparison to English. Its extremely likely that a higher amount of Englishmen/women were affected and therefore either fell ill themselves or passed it on to someone who subsequently fell ill.

But sure the outcry here about the people travelling to Cheltenham and it was going to be catastrophic has not happened. Can you at least admit to that.

Yep - Cheltenham didn't cause the dire explosion of cases that would result in localised overwhelming of healthcare that I feared.

Yes lockdown has certainly slowed down the spread but again by how much?

Seriously?

Try comparing to somewhere densely populated that didn't lockdown till too late. Say New York or Lombardy in Italy.

Outcry yesterday about Germany's r rate at 1.3 and now it's down to 0.8 not a word of it. Scaremongering all round

Its at 0.94 and there is plenty of word about it.

I talked about the unreliability of a snapshot of R0 in the other thread. It needs several days to start to present a clear picture - and even then its never as accurate as anyone would like...

This Coronavirus is here to stay so we need to learn how to live with it

Learning to live with it does not involve sacrificing swathes of the population.

3700 extra home abuse claims in 3 weeks in the uk
The cure will be as bad as the virus

No. It won't.

Not to belittle abuse, but 3,700 abuse claims in 3 weeks is not as bad as 30,000 dead in those same three weeks. You can recover from abuse. Harder to recover from death.

[Captain Obvious]

Jesus lads you are all getting carried away here
All the talk 5 weeks ago was we are going to come under severe pressure in the NHS and hundreds of deaths a day. It has not happened and won't happen
The big talk about people comin back from Cheltenham to the North was catastrophic but it just has not happened. The virus is not a deadly as many are making it out to be. Places around here are open this 3/4 weeks and no spike. Takeaways Building Merchants Walkers.
Some of you need to catch a grip.
It's as if people on here don't want to get back to normal

That normal is likely dead.

[johnnycool]

As a quick poll/survey who on here doesn't want back to work?

I'd go back in a heartbeat but do I want to back to an office with 9 other people and share bogs, breakout area, canteens with another 200 plus people just yet, then that's a no.

[imtommygunn]

Smurfy have you a link to the scotland stuff - I can't see that anywhere?