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sid waddell

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« Reply #225 on: Today at 03:33:08 PM »
Extreme sports like hurling, or Tyrone club football?

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« Reply #226 on: Today at 04:29:11 PM »
Are we saying the three people who died, died as a result of "Darwinism", so?

That seems to be the impression one gets from previous posts, anyway.

No, we are not.

Now I'm not saying that you are an absolute idiot, but 'one' would have to be an absolute idiot to read these posts and reach that conclusion.

Well, the message was to stay indoors. If the three people that died had heeded those warnings, they'd be alive.

Now, I'm not saying it was Darwinism, but the impression one gets is that others are happy enough to throw that sort of language around when it suits.

If people are calling some people who ventured out unnecessarily "idiots", well, by that logic, aren't all people who ventured unnecessarily out "idiots" too, including those who died? Because the conditions weren't just bad at sea, they were bad everywhere.

Or is it just because they're dead that you're not saying that?

The other language that is being thrown around is that of "leave them out there".

Does this also apply to attempted suicide, one wonders? Because attempted suicide is deliberately putting one's self in harms way.

If people are going to go down the vilification road, shouldn't they first be looking at the employers of that poor chap who died in Louth when a tree fell on his car, for not shutting for the day and forcing him to undertake what proved to be a very dangerous journey indeed?

Absolute idiot about covers it.

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« Reply #227 on: Today at 04:48:38 PM »
There are people who have to work even when everyone else is told to stay indoors.

- Policemen
- Ambulance drivers
- Firemen
- Doctors
- Nurses

There were suggestions that community halls and leisure centres should have been catering for the homeless. Clearly the people who run the community centre would have to leave their own home to go to the community centre.

I'm sure that those who went swimming know fine well that there was no life guard on duty, and did it for the thrill. The same kind of thrill that motor cyclists yearn when racing around the Northwest or Tandradgee 100.
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sid waddell

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« Reply #228 on: Today at 06:40:15 PM »
Are we saying the three people who died, died as a result of "Darwinism", so?

That seems to be the impression one gets from previous posts, anyway.

No, we are not.

Now I'm not saying that you are an absolute idiot, but 'one' would have to be an absolute idiot to read these posts and reach that conclusion.

Well, the message was to stay indoors. If the three people that died had heeded those warnings, they'd be alive.

Now, I'm not saying it was Darwinism, but the impression one gets is that others are happy enough to throw that sort of language around when it suits.

If people are calling some people who ventured out unnecessarily "idiots", well, by that logic, aren't all people who ventured unnecessarily out "idiots" too, including those who died? Because the conditions weren't just bad at sea, they were bad everywhere.

Or is it just because they're dead that you're not saying that?

The other language that is being thrown around is that of "leave them out there".

Does this also apply to attempted suicide, one wonders? Because attempted suicide is deliberately putting one's self in harms way.

If people are going to go down the vilification road, shouldn't they first be looking at the employers of that poor chap who died in Louth when a tree fell on his car, for not shutting for the day and forcing him to undertake what proved to be a very dangerous journey indeed?

Absolute idiot about covers it.
If you could address some of the points I raised, that would be nice.

There seems to be a general feeling here among a lot of posters that rescue teams of different varieties should leave people stranded, if they have ventured out in conditions that are not safe, or at best ask them to pay for the costs of the rescue.

That's a terribly US Republican view, isn't it?

And it would apply to most cases which rescue teams have to deal with, I suspect.

But to come back to the logic of the "leave them out there" mindset, how do we pick which cases are deserving of rescue and which aren't? How do we decide who should pay for the cost of their own rescue and who shouldn't?

And if some people who go out unnecessarily in a Code Red weather warning are "idiots", surely isn't everybody who goes out unnecessarily an "idiot"??

And what about employers who could easily have given their employees the day off, but didn't? Aren't they idiots?

There's even an undercurrent on this thread now where people such as yourself are referring to people who participate in certain sports as needing "a good dose of Darwinism", because these sports are dangerous.

That sort of view is a very silly one, even idiotic, I'd suggest.










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« Reply #229 on: Today at 07:06:19 PM »
Sid, you are either a troll or just a bit thick if you can't tell the difference between a person who goes out swimming or kite surfing in "normal" weather and a person who wilfully ignores warnings associated with storm conditions. That's the cutoff point for the rescue services and they should refuse to put themselves at risk to save people who ignore warnings.