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Fermanagh v Tyrone- Tyrone by 11
London v Leitrim- London by 4
New York v Sligo- Sligo by 7

[I heard Grugan started on him first.]

I would be going by facts having been at the match not some anti Armagh keyboard warrior.

That's the thing though, isn't it?

For all we know, you're an anti-Donegal keyboard warrior.

I've heard the claims redzone refers to elsewhere myself.

And in the absence of video or referee evidence implicating Murphy, who are those of us who weren't there, including the GAA authorities, supposed to believe?

So you heard claims Murphy didn't punch Grugan?

I heard Grugan started on him first.

But my point is that it doesn't matter.

Murphy could have launched an unprovoked attack or went over the top defending himself after bring struck first, but if there's no video and no referee's report evidence, it's all just internet rumour and allegation.

Wise up, Grugan would be afraid of Murphy's shadow. He caught murphy with an auld sneaky one earlier in the half but referee dealt with it and give him a yellow card. Frustration is from two sources. First is the lack of consistency (linesman seen murphy box grugan and actually moved towards it, surely this should have made its way into the referees report). Secondly, frustrated that Armagh fell into the trap set and could not hold their discipline. Bonner and Donegal played an absolute blinder here and should now waltz through to an ulster final.
All Armagh can hope for at this stage is not to take to big a tanking in two weeks time that will smash the very fragile confidence that the team has and get a bit a spin out in the qualifiers.

No issue with the suspension. O’Neil has left himself exposed when he raised his hand when no 10 took a 15 yard run at him. Height of stupidity. If the authorities have reviewed it and decided to suspend him then he is suspended. The frustrating thing is the consistency. The linesman on the bank side watched (fact) Neil mcgee for two solid minutes batter, pull, drag and barge O’Neill before he did anything. He then seen murphy box grugan (fact) after the final whistle and yet there is no word of any suspensions for this. Does the referee not consult with linesmen before making his report?

Armagh need to be craftier as they were clearly drawn into an orchestrated trap with a reaction from O’Neill leading to disciplinary action been the key Donegal objective. Bonner must be laughing his balls off and you have to tip your hat to him. He has achieved his objective at a relatively cheap price and Armagh have again shown the inability to keep their discipline under trying circumstances.

Isn't there a separate melee thread for Armagh, Tyrone and now Donegal.

It wouldn't be right to pile into a melee thread.

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Maybe put Higgins into fullback and push forker up. Grugan had a good game against Dublin. Ok against Tyrone, very poor against Kerry and Mayo. When game loosens up bring him in. It is going to be a physical aggressive game on a tight pitch in ballybofey and this won’t suit grugan. He was probably one of Armagh’s most booked players in the league and they were all for silly petulant stuff e.g barging into Monaghan’s man back after the ball had long gone over the endline. Not saying he doesn’t have a role, just that we may get better use out of him by bringing him in when game opens up. Or maybe I am being too harsh on him.

I wouldn't start grugan. Wait to the heavy work is done and bring him on in second half when game opens up.

Did anyone see mcgeeney's interview with bbc last night? Don't know what anyone else thinks but I thought it was a disgrace. absolutely blamed players on all that wrong because they did not do what he told them. He has been managing them for six years, so there is two scenarios there. First one is he is not coaching them correctly to do whatever it is he wants them to do. Second scenario is that the players do not believe in whatever it is the manager is looking them to do. Either way it is a failure of management. IMO kmcg cannot shirk responsibility here.
I would not have been in the mcgeeney out camp before as I thought he just needed to get a bit of competent help in. But after that interview it is very hard to see how the players could be happy. And if they are happy enough then that tells it own story #brainwashed

You'd have to wonder what all these development squads and Ulster council coaches is actually achieving. Armagh, Derry, Antrim, Fermanagh- the list goes on. all very average. It's a simple game.

Very simple what it is achieving- a load of lads who can't make their way in the real
World milking the system and getting a complete clondyke out of it and it is all based on bluff.

Is it safe to assume if Armagh beat Clare next week they get promoted?

Never safe to assume anything with Armagh!!🙈🙈

[from deep through the centre of the Armagh defence and caused havoc]

Strange game in mullingar.
Draw was probably a fair result
Penalty was the game changer though and definitely was extremely harsh
Westmeath ran from deep through the centre of the Armagh defence and caused havoc.
For Armagh they will win nothing until they sort this out.

And this problem has been glaringly obvious in all our games and we do not appear to have the wherewithal to come up with a solution to it.

Armagh host Kildare next week, if they don't win that they are staying in div2.

Staying in division 2 would be a result. I fear we could end up in div 3.

Cavan were not good but still managed to open Armagh up very easily, right up the middle of the defence. Armagh very good going forward and scored some super points but defence is a major problem, with what can only be described as  an obsession with marking space. This might sound harsh on Armagh but with the forward talent at our disposal, if there was a wee bit of structure about our defence, we would comfortably be a division 1 team.

Good to have the football back and nice to start the season off with a decent win

A win is a win. But that was Cavan's second string out. IMO Armagh looked good going foward in the 1st half but defensively Armagh are all at sea. Cavan will definitely be targeting us for two points in first game of league. Hopefully we can shade!

I wouldn't judge either side too much on tonight's showing, conditions looked horrendous but leaving aside a few dubious decisions Cross had every chance to win that match but didn't. A bit of inexperience told and John McEntee knew the opposition inside out which was a big advantage. I fancied Cross to win Ulster but they still have a bit to go yet on that showing as I can't see Clontibret winning it.

Conditions brutal but a few things I can't understand - Johnny Hanratty & Paul Mckeown have played very little championship football this year and are threw into starting line up tonight. Match rustiness obvious with these two in first half and feel that this added to the complete shapelessness of cross in 1st half along with a half back line that felt it did not need to mark their opposing number. Cross could not get theirs hands on a ball in first fifteen/twenty minutes- why did they not try and work a few short kickouts? McEntee had clontibret well drilled and well set up. Fully deserved win for Clontribet imo with them showing the sort of composure that you would usually associate with cross teams.

Is Elisha McCallion the best SF can offer? She's been on every program over the last few weeks and comes across as clueless.

Shinners know that foyle is a marginal seat for them so are trying to boost her profile as much as possible.