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Losing isn't the problem.
Fans can handle losing.
When it goes beyond that, however, it takes all the good out of the thing.

Exactly we are well used to losing down through the years but its the almost the feeling of inevitability that surrounds us is the killer for a lot of people.

[If you seriously think he can't get his S&C coach to whip up a more intensive conditioning program and find a tackling coach I don't know what to say.]

Mayo4sam

Hye had a lucky escape.....

Mcstay arguably  is a spoofer once it gets beyond playing Leitrim

D1 semis, promotion, back-to-back AIQFs and a Nestor Cup - some spoofing lad! I think the spoofer here may be you.

Had McStay got the draw Galway got the last three years, we'd have made a quick exit every year. As Mayo4Sam correctly pointed out, Galway decided  to develop a team that would no longer be bullied. We are still waiting and that's on our management.

If if if if had. C'mon, you don't have a leg to stand on - just let him get on with his job without trying to invent another circus. You're part of the faction who have never liked McStay and we all know it.

Already said I like him and the positive way he wants to play football. There's a thing called realism and the big teams don't allow you to to play that way. Something needs to change. Is he the man to accomplish that. Afraid, I don't think we have the luxury of wasting a 4th year on what clearly are not strengths of the two Macs.

If you seriously think he can't get his S&C coach to whip up a more intensive conditioning program and find a tackling coach I don't know what to say. Whoever replaces him in your fantasy world would have to do the exact same things and it would likely take months to appoint them, putting us behind the ball for 2019 immediately. Let the man do the job he was hired to do ffs.

Probably the most stupidest thing you have come out with on here and that's saying something.
What the hell has he been at the last number of years.Since Kerry hammered us in the league semi a defensive set up should have been worked upon if Mcstay actually believed what he was saying about being at the top table.
He threw his original colleague under the bus in year 1 for even contemplating such a set up.
Your term of just whipping up a more intensive programme just proofs what kind of a spoofer/bandwagoner you really are.You just don't whip something like that and expect it to work in the short term.S+C takes time to evolve and progress and players have to work hard at it and it has to be married into a teams game plan.
Its not a short term philosophy.
We tried a defensive approach last Saturday and it just proofs how long teams have to work at a set up like that to reap results.
We had Diarmuid isolated and when he won his ball the only players he could see within 40 yards was three or four donegal defenders.Our runners weren't fit enough to get up and support.
For me he is a busted flush at this stage as the last two games and the next one will have put this group back a good bit in terms of their mentality which was fragile against top sides anyway.
The dogs in the street knew we should have worked on this after the Mayo game last year and its shocking how far back we have gone and as far as i can see he is too blame.

This is a very long-winded way of saying "I don't like McStay and I never did". Frankly it's a pathetic attitude and one that's been at the heart of a lot of the pointless nonsense in this county over the years. Always assuming you know best. Results say something very different in this case so take yer medicine and move on.

I don't care who is manager as long as they are doing the job they are entrusted to do.
RESULTS?? Beating Leitrim and Armagh and losing to galway in a home connacht final and then being made look worse than we actually are because we have  a manager who only likes one way of playing football.
We beat louth in the league,managed to pull the game out of the bag against Tipperary when for the majority of the game we were second fiddle,lost to a Down team which i don't recall ever being as bad in my lifetime and we were worse that day,drawing to meath at home when meath decide to actually start playing in the last 15 minutes.In fairness we have had some sprinkling of good performances but you would swear by you that we were a top five side.
If you and your like want to bury the head in the sand and not look at facts and be realistic then that's your problem but unless this management team changes tact substantially although i think at this stage thats even too late for them or is changed then we are in for a very rude awakening next year.

You haven't once made one comment on how our style of play is making us whipping boys?

[If you seriously think he can't get his S&C coach to whip up a more intensive conditioning program and find a tackling coach I don't know what to say.]

Mayo4sam

Hye had a lucky escape.....

Mcstay arguably  is a spoofer once it gets beyond playing Leitrim

D1 semis, promotion, back-to-back AIQFs and a Nestor Cup - some spoofing lad! I think the spoofer here may be you.

Had McStay got the draw Galway got the last three years, we'd have made a quick exit every year. As Mayo4Sam correctly pointed out, Galway decided  to develop a team that would no longer be bullied. We are still waiting and that's on our management.

If if if if had. C'mon, you don't have a leg to stand on - just let him get on with his job without trying to invent another circus. You're part of the faction who have never liked McStay and we all know it.

Already said I like him and the positive way he wants to play football. There's a thing called realism and the big teams don't allow you to to play that way. Something needs to change. Is he the man to accomplish that. Afraid, I don't think we have the luxury of wasting a 4th year on what clearly are not strengths of the two Macs.

If you seriously think he can't get his S&C coach to whip up a more intensive conditioning program and find a tackling coach I don't know what to say. Whoever replaces him in your fantasy world would have to do the exact same things and it would likely take months to appoint them, putting us behind the ball for 2019 immediately. Let the man do the job he was hired to do ffs.

Probably the most stupidest thing you have come out with on here and that's saying something.
What the hell has he been at the last number of years.Since Kerry hammered us in the league semi a defensive set up should have been worked upon if Mcstay actually believed what he was saying about being at the top table.
He threw his original colleague under the bus in year 1 for even contemplating such a set up.
Your term of just whipping up a more intensive programme just proofs what kind of a spoofer/bandwagoner you really are.You just don't whip something like that and expect it to work in the short term.S+C takes time to evolve and progress and players have to work hard at it and it has to be married into a teams game plan.
Its not a short term philosophy.
We tried a defensive approach last Saturday and it just proofs how long teams have to work at a set up like that to reap results.
We had Diarmuid isolated and when he won his ball the only players he could see within 40 yards was three or four donegal defenders.Our runners weren't fit enough to get up and support.
For me he is a busted flush at this stage as the last two games and the next one will have put this group back a good bit in terms of their mentality which was fragile against top sides anyway.
The dogs in the street knew we should have worked on this after the Mayo game last year and its shocking how far back we have gone and as far as i can see he is too blame.

Nail on the head Oldira. My question is though why aren't we trying to address this it cant all be finances?
We seem to be happy when we put in a few good performances against decent opposition and then when we get the living shit kicked out of us by a good side we entertein the sure we arnet at that level yet.
Why the f**k arent we is my question?
We talk the talk when it suits us but then we accept mediocrity when the chicken comes home to roost.
We learned absolutely nothing from the second Mayo game last year or the Kerry League semi the year before.
We should have won the connacht final this year but kicked some desperate wides.
Galway won and did they accept that no they knew they played poorly and looked at their croke park performance last year and learned from it and grew a pair.
We arent doing that we hope when meet a top that they have an off day and then maybe we try and outscore them.

While i don't think it will be as bad as a hammering as Saturday i cant see us keeping it below 6 points.
With all the good intentions in the world Saturdays hammering will have knocked the stuffing out of these guys and unless the naivety on the line changes i.e defence set up properly then we will be in for a long day.
Pride and heart will only get you so far this at this stage of championship and Donegals physique and fitness will ensure us chasing a game up until 55 minutes before we fall away.

As far the resident clown from Roscommon he reminds me a bit of Kim Jong in North Korea its only true if i believe it.

Will Saturdays performance have an effect on how many supporters we have at the game?
Talking to a good few people yesterday who would be loyal supporters and id say 50 percent are staying at home.

Luckily the match is at home so!!

If anyone calls themselves loyal supporters and don't turn up for a home AIQF against a team around our level, fûck 'em. They're not supporters in my eyes.

It doesn't matter a bean where  the match can you seriously envisage a big crowd of Roscommon fans at this game?

You are deluded if you think we are at the level of Donegal or anything near it.

You're deluded if you think we're not.

Brilliant reply you must be a hoot in the playground

Will Saturdays performance have an effect on how many supporters we have at the game?
Talking to a good few people yesterday who would be loyal supporters and id say 50 percent are staying at home.

Luckily the match is at home so!!

If anyone calls themselves loyal supporters and don't turn up for a home AIQF against a team around our level, fûck 'em. They're not supporters in my eyes.

It doesn't matter a bean where  the match can you seriously envisage a big crowd of Roscommon fans at this game?

You are deluded if you think we are at the level of Donegal or anything near it.

Will Saturdays performance have an effect on how many supporters we have at the game?
Talking to a good few people yesterday who would be loyal supporters and id say 50 percent are staying at home.

[To be fair conditioning can take time]

To be fair conditioning can take time. How long is the S&C guy in place?

Exactly.
Look at Dublin,Mayo,Donegal,Tyrone even Monaghan they are superbly fit and strong.
When Mayo were at their peak i would safely say their S&C was the best in the country.It took a number of years to get it up to that and an awful amount of work.
Look at Tyrone on Saturday i would say they are even fitter and stronger from last year.It may not be this year but i guarantee they will be in all Ireland final in  the next two/three years.
S+C isn't just handing out exercise plans and getting lads doing them individually which from what i understand is a lot of what our lads were doing earlier in the year.
Its an ongoing process and to get the best results is done collectively and in a proper environment with proper progress analysis.

I'm told by those in the know he hasn't much time for S&C.
Nor defensive organisation either.
I am not aware of the team having S&C or defence gurus.
Anyway we're technically still in the race for a semi final spot so all is not lost yet  we're the least likely of the 8 to make it.

Shark - I see your point  but I was just thinking of our history of army bucks. Even poor Dermot didn't do very well.

Someone would want to tell the man we're paying to be the S&C coach he has no time for it. Would you ever stop talking out of your arse?

Someone would want to tell the S+C coach how do his job or else get rid of him and stop wasting money.

I really liked the look of the Bradley lad who came on in the second half has a touch of class about him.
Donnelly at full forward did well and was a real handful and young Harte has some engine and football brain.

Will be a serious contest in Omagh and will not be for the fainthearted which at this stage of the competition is what people expect.

There seems to be a serious gap emerging between a group of 4/5 sides and the next 10-12 sides and then again the remaining 18 sides (including london + new york).
A lot of this is down to the internal workings/philosophies within the top sides and the current set ups they have at senior level and the support they get from county boards/finance.
This will only breed more success i believe in these counties and until other counties especially those with so called aspirations put some plan in place and evolve it and nurture it and most of all believe in it then this gap only gets bigger.
Its no good blaming croke park all the time football people in their own counties have to look from within too and see is this what we are happy with and do we want more.
If its more then an awful amount of hard work has to be put in first.

That was hard to watch yesterday i gave us a small chance on the basis we might change things around at the back which i thought was going to be the case with the team announcement and that the Tyrone performance against cork was more to do with how poor cork were.
On both counts i was wrong.we were unbelievably naive in defence and from offensive point of view Tyrone were near awesome and the most frightening thing about it there is more improvement in that side of things from them.
They punish opposition mistakes so clinically that they just sink any feeling of competitiveness a side has and slowly grind them into submission before they make a mockery of them in the last twenty minutes.
They were a much improved side from when i seen them against meath and cavan and i think thats a big reason they are going to be very hard beat this year.
They improve from game to game and learn and tweak so that the next game they have another 10-15 percent improvement got and go again and learn
They will do the same from yesterdays game especially some of the sloppiness they had in defence at certain times not much mind you.
I fear for this current squad and their mental toughness especially with the two remaining games.
We don't have enough of that toughness in us to respond to set backs especially against top sides.
An u21 semi final was mentioned earlier between the two counties a coupe of years ago and its frightening how some of the players on both sides have in Tyrone case progressed and in our case regressed.

[Strange you'd single them out.]

Roscommom let a win slip awful handy yesterday. we didn't  close the game out when we had the chance.Cant understand all the changes made with 15-20 mins left.
Definitely unsettled us and we lost the upper hand after that.
Meath were very poor bar the last ten minutes which makes yesterdays result all the more disappointing.
We have a problem with our goalie,full back and midfield going on yesterdays performance.We were constantly cleaned out on our own kick outs and won very little breaks around the middle. we made way too many mistakes in open play which cost us extra scores especially when we had the elements in our favour in the 2nd half.Too many misplaced passes,wrong option taken,balls slipping in possession, poor delivery into the full forward line.
After watching the Tipperary game i don't hold out much hope of beating them unless we improve ten fold.Its only January but major improvements needed.
Finbar Cregg unfortunately isn't up to the standard based on yesterdays performance and earlier FBD games.

All the FB line played really well yesterday. Probably the most settled line of the field. Strange you'd single them out.

Bar a couple wayward kick-outs Lavin did well (and saved a couple of points due to his fielding ability) and couldn't really be blamed for many of the failures to win the ball around the middle at the end.

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I didn't single the whole line i meant the full back john mcmanus.Mcinereny and murray played well i thought and snuffed out a few dangerous meath attacks in the first half.Howvwer i dont think John Mc is the solution at 3 he seems too loose and can be caught out of position at times.However i think he is being pigeon holed into that position by the management as he is a good footballer at this level but just not at 3.I know Kilroy acting as an extra back helped last year in terms of protection for the full back but is it the answer??

Lavin's fielding is definitely one of his strong points as his his support out the field with the ball which was good to see. However his kick outs were only average at best although the lack of movement at times out the field didn't help.

If we can cut out the basic handling and passing errors we will do well in this Div but can we improve that much by this Sunday??
We need a quicker companion for TOR in the middle to counter act his lack of pace. Conor or Niall maybe?

Whats the story with Harney and Brian Stack at the moment? Also are we likely to see any of the glaveys contingent after the weekend?
I think young heneghan will make a great footballer at this level.

Roscommom let a win slip awful handy yesterday. we didn't  close the game out when we had the chance.Cant understand all the changes made with 15-20 mins left.
Definitely unsettled us and we lost the upper hand after that.
Meath were very poor bar the last ten minutes which makes yesterdays result all the more disappointing.
We have a problem with our goalie,full back and midfield going on yesterdays performance.We were constantly cleaned out on our own kick outs and won very little breaks around the middle. we made way too many mistakes in open play which cost us extra scores especially when we had the elements in our favour in the 2nd half.Too many misplaced passes,wrong option taken,balls slipping in possession, poor delivery into the full forward line.
After watching the Tipperary game i don't hold out much hope of beating them unless we improve ten fold.Its only January but major improvements needed.
Finbar Cregg unfortunately isn't up to the standard based on yesterdays performance and earlier FBD games.
 

[Since Abramhovic took charge of Chelsea in 2003, the titles began to slow up for Chelsea,]

The Glazers have raped the club for hundreds of millions and chronically underinvested in the squad, particularly after Ronaldo left. A few high cost signings in recent years shouldn't hide that. People seem unable to grasp the magnitude of cash we're talking about....it is astronomical. United should be able to spend 200M easily at every window and would be able to if they were not privately owned. In fact, I saw a report recently documenting the economic value of players and if anything the likes of Pogba and Lukaku were a steal at their prices given the economic benefit they can potentially generate. And make no mistake - that is how they evaluate these things. They haven't really any interest in the club winning the Champions League or Premier League bar it being additional revenue. A nice bonus but not the main reason for any purchase of players.

I can understand if not agree with Ferguson not speaking out against the owners even though it seemed contradictory to his oft publicised beliefs. He believed it was possible and perhaps even desirable to operate under such frugal circumstances. He worked miracles in his latter years to win leagues with poor squads (relatively) but perhaps this led to him (a) overestimating his players (b) underestimating the opposing teams and/or (c) not realising that no manager ever again will be able to demand successfully the same commitment as he got from those groups.

The episode with the horse and all that was a serious error of judgement and destabilised the club badly. There are other things.

However, he got and appreciated the history of the club. His teams mostly tried to play in an attacking manner and be true to the clubs history. At times that wasn't possible (due to injuries/poor form or latterly not that talented squads) and another way to win had to be found. He wasn't out picking fights or moaning after every single game about some bullshit. Not saying he didn't on occasion but it wasn't after every single game.

As for Bobby Charlton - his legacy on the pitch has few peers in this history of the game never mind Manchester United.

Ah come off it.

United are one of the highest spending clubs in the world since the Glazers took control, consistently. The only key player they sold off was Ronaldo and generally when Barcelona or Madrid come calling for the EPL's top players that is it, there is little the clubs can do to change the player's mind.

It was not a case of Glazers neglecting investment, Ferguson blew an awful amount of money on very average players and short term fixes in his last few years, they paid Arsenal £22m for a player in the last year of his contract which would be the equivalent of £50m in today's terms and got one good season from him.  Ferguson spent massive money on the likes of Nani, Young, Anderson, Berbatov.

Year on year United would generally be in or around the top 5 spending clubs in Europe. Lack of investment from the board is not the problem, it's the poor investments they have made which is. The thing is that the league is now much more competitive, United for the majority of Ferguson's managerial career was the man with the most cash to spend in his latter years Chelsea and City were able to rival him and the titles didn't flow as freely as before, that's changed now although it's noticeable that Chelsea have really began to tighten their belts in the past few seasons.

Since Abramhovic took charge of Chelsea in 2003, the titles began to slow up for Chelsea, up until then Ferguson was really able to exert his financial muscle on the rest of the league, United's financial power in comparison to the rest of the league would be similar to Bayern Munich. It's not the Glazer's that's the problem in that, it's that other clubs also got wealthy owners who came in and could now begin to rival United in spending power.

Your not serious about that surely??