And the Red Poppies Dance

[Tankie]

Lads we are talking about WWI and to say any soldier didnt have an effect is wrong!

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

Lads we are talking about WWI and to say any soldier didnt have an effect is wrong!

Ah FFS, do you seriously think that sending thousands of men out to get slaughtered (cannon fodder mown down by machine guns and blown apart by artillery) just to gain 16 metres of a field in northern France or Belgium, only to lose it the next day, then repeat the process again!

It was bloody murder and the aristocracy/upper classes should be tried for war crimes - Haig was as bad a war criminal as some of the people tried since.

[Gnevin]

Tankie, the small batch of Irishmen who joined the British Army had no influence of note in winning WW2.
WW2 was won by the Soviet Union, former Yugoslavia and financed by  the economic might of the USA. Britian's role was peripheral in the visceral fiight to the end between Fascism and Communism on the Eastern Front. A bugbear of mine has always been the downplaying of "Yugoslavia's" role in the war which meant that at no stage did the Axis forces ever have more men fighting the British and Americans in France/Belgium/Holland than were fighting the Partisans there.

To say that by casting a non fawning eye on the role of the Irish in the British armed forces in WW2 means that you wanted an Axis victory is imo nuts and very drama queenish.

So Britian's War in Africa was peripheral  too the out come? Britian maintaining of a western front was peripheral  ? Britain acting a bridge head to act Europe had was peripheral  .Britians war in Asia was peripheral  ? Catch a grip would you

North Africa, Asia, hmmmmm British colonies........ 

What's your point? Men for the UK fought their too and that was the way of the world then .

[Tankie]

Lads we are talking about WWI and to say any soldier didnt have an effect is wrong!

Ah FFS, do you seriously think that sending thousands of men out to get slaughtered (cannon fodder mown down by machine guns and blown apart by artillery) just to gain 16 metres of a field in northern France or Belgium, only to lose it the next day, then repeat the process again!

It was bloody murder and the aristocracy/upper classes should be tried for war crimes - Haig was as bad a war criminal as some of the people tried since.

It was a shocking war and a war of numbers and this is why every man should be remebered as they played a part. Its sad to think that the more men you had to die the longer you could hold out!!!

[magpie seanie]

Some good posts on here, FOSB in particular. It is necessary to challenge the revisionism sweeping this part of history. Letting Kevin Myers at something like this is pointless. The man would argue black is white with his own shadow as they both try to eat each other.

[Main Street]

How come nobody ever invades Switzerland?

[Jim_Murphy_74]

How come nobody ever invades Switzerland?

Because of the knives..............

/Jim.

[Tankie]

Some good posts on here, FOSB in particular. It is necessary to challenge the revisionism sweeping this part of history. Letting Kevin Myers at something like this is pointless. The man would argue black is white with his own shadow as they both try to eat each other.

I dont think there is much revisionism going on in the sence of changing facts but aswell as the men who fought in 1916 we should equally remember the men who fought for Ireland in WWI. Kevin Myers is a tool but guys like FOSB aint much better as they are just total opposites to Myers.

[Gnevin]

Some good posts on here, FOSB in particular. It is necessary to challenge the revisionism sweeping this part of history. Letting Kevin Myers at something like this is pointless. The man would argue black is white with his own shadow as they both try to eat each other.

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

[Donagh]

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

In what way were they brushed under the carpet? In many ways they and their families were better looked after than those who stayed behind, so why should the Irish state remember those who chose to fight in foreign armies?

[his holiness nb]

Whats the deal with Tankie and Gnevins crusade about the WWI and WW2 dead?
This is at least the third thread between them (and Gnevin had the nerve to say Tony deserved his ban for opening multiple threads).

Gnevin even suggested people who didnt post on one of the threads dont care by noting another non related thread had more replies.

We get it lads, you remember them and are great lads for that, big pat on the back.
But one thread will do nicely.

So will ye stop talking smack, thats whack to the max.   

[magpie seanie]

Some good posts on here, FOSB in particular. It is necessary to challenge the revisionism sweeping this part of history. Letting Kevin Myers at something like this is pointless. The man would argue black is white with his own shadow as they both try to eat each other.

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

So how come we all knew about them so?

[SuperMac]

Sure do ye not know it's only us Irish Nationalistic types who "should move on" or "show maturity" and forget the past ( apart from those bits of the past where we fought FOR the Brits - for whom it's allowed to keep remembering their past).

What are you talking about? A Irish day of Remembrance should remember all who died for Ireland .  This isn't about "the brits"

Most of these men did not go off to fight for the 'Brits', they went to fight for freedom, the promise of home rule and many other reasons. Irish independence would have been worth nothing if the dictators had of won the war!

" Irish independence would have been worth nothing if the dictators had of won the war! "

" Irish independence " - Six of our counties are still under occupation.

" if the dictators had of won the war " - Unfortunately, one set of dictators did win the war and continued to deny self-determination to a small nation they ruthlessly occupied.

[Tankie]

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

In what way were they brushed under the carpet? In many ways they and their families were better looked after than those who stayed behind, so why should the Irish state remember those who chose to fight in foreign armies?

Most of these men did not go out to fight for a foreign army, they went to fight for the cause of freedom and the freedom of Ireland. They did not fight for a British cause, they fought for and Irish cause. As I said before without these men the war could have been lost and Irish independance would have been worthless. People in Ireland have a tendancy to forget that without armies fighting foreign wars that we opt out of Ireland may not be the place it is now.

[SuperMac]

Nine out of 10 German soldiers killed during WWII died on the Eastern front ... Winston Churchill no more won the war than that dog who does the insurance ads ... in fact, if Hitler had not stopped the panzers for two days on the outskirts of Dunkirk what was already a humiliation for the british (which their typical revisionism turned into a glorious episode) would have ended in complete and utter defeat in 1940 ... the Soviet Union killed the most enemy troops and the Soviet Union suffered the highest number of casualties

" Winston Churchill no more won the war than that dog who does the insurance ads " FANTASTIC red hander