Man Utd Thread:

[johnnycool]

Eric sums it all up in instagram.

https://twitter.com/AwayDayBible/status/1121063204040388608

[gallsman]

7 defeats in 9; ole on a worse run than Jose ever was.

At what point does he come under pressure ?

Manager of the season contender they were saying on here...
Couldn't bring myself to cheer for them so went for a run. Not surprised they lost, they are shite.

Yes but the thing is, the match that I think lost Liverpool the title was the 0-0 draw with United. Half United's team were wearing neck braces, slings, missing limbs and finished the match on crutches, and you failed to take advantage.

I think thats probably right. Its hard to criticise a team that has only lost once to date but that run of West Ham, Everton, and Utd where scoring goals were a problem is ultimately going to be the killer.

It was the Leicester game where I think the damage was done. 1 up after a after a few minutes we should have went on and buried them. Mane missed a great chance to put us two up also. Like you say though hard to criticise after only losing 1 game so far. Great times ahead and still the Champions League to look forward to.
Didn't expect anything from that useless shower last night and the United fans got the result they wanted anyway.

United won enough titles and I cant remember once relying on Liverpool to dig out a result for them, won them off their own back. Still three games to go and anything could happen.

Yes, because that's how it works. If Liverpool were to end up winning it, it'd be because someone else dug them out of it. Nothing to do with accumulating more points than the others. It's a 38 game season ffs.

[Cunny Funt]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

[magpie seanie]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

Finished 19 points behind City who had the title wrapped up very early. United are 25 points behind City today after a recent terrible run. Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal got better. 2nd place last year wasn't any sort of achievement.

[Cunny Funt]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

Finished 19 points behind City who had the title wrapped up very early. United are 25 points behind City today after a recent terrible run. Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal got better. 2nd place last year wasn't any sort of achievement.

Liverpool have greatly improved, Arsenal only slightly and Spurs ended up with 77 points last season and finished 3rd they will likely repeat that now.  While no great achievement it was still progress from 7th,4th,5th under Moyes and Van Gaal. 

[Keyser soze]

Anybody that thinks Mourinho was the problem needs their head examined. And doubly so if they think an inexperienced manager like Ole will find a solution.

[imtommygunn]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

Finished 19 points behind City who had the title wrapped up very early. United are 25 points behind City today after a recent terrible run. Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal got better. 2nd place last year wasn't any sort of achievement.

Seanie I also found Mourinho deplorable but it does seem like there is nothing you would give him any credit for and everything you would find him at fault for. He does seem to push you beyond being rational...

[Jeepers Creepers]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

Finished 19 points behind City who had the title wrapped up very early. United are 25 points behind City today after a recent terrible run. Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal got better. 2nd place last year wasn't any sort of achievement.

Seanie I also found Mourinho deplorable but it does seem like there is nothing you would give him any credit for and everything you would find him at fault for. He does seem to push you beyond being rational...

Mourinho was right about Pogba and Martial aint doing to much to prove him wrong either.

[imtommygunn]

Pogba a toxic individual too. I would put him and Mourinho on a par. He's that bad I wouldn't be surprised if he turned it on for a while just to spite Mourinho.

[magpie seanie]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

Finished 19 points behind City who had the title wrapped up very early. United are 25 points behind City today after a recent terrible run. Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal got better. 2nd place last year wasn't any sort of achievement.

Seanie I also found Mourinho deplorable but it does seem like there is nothing you would give him any credit for and everything you would find him at fault for. He does seem to push you beyond being rational...

I'm perfectly rational on him and have been since the rumours started about him getting the United job. I'm afraid it's others who've lost their minds to even contemplate it was destined for anything bar abject failure. With lasting ramifications.

[magpie seanie]

Pogba a toxic individual too. I would put him and Mourinho on a par. He's that bad I wouldn't be surprised if he turned it on for a while just to spite Mourinho.

Who bought him and heaped praise on him week after week when he was walking around doing nothing?

Anyway - I'm going to get the usual abuse for pointing all this out again so I'll stop.

[Boycey]

Having a different opinion to you doesn't mean people are abusing you Seanie 

[J70]

Would you boys not think Pogba is worth building the team around? Might take a season or two, but with his control in tight spaces, passing ability and goal scoring, there is definitely a talented top player in there. Fair enough, his attitude needs work and he has to be managed, but so did Cantona when Fergie brought him in.

[imtommygunn]

United needed De Gea & Pogba to have good games to win last night and they ended up been United's worst players. Tactically United got a lot right, City struggled the first half and United created several moments where they could get at City but lacked composure to create chances. Once again we've gifted teams goals, bad defending and bad goalkeeping has led to goals yet again.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned United's fitness levels, its a huge problem and yet again last night City out ran United. I think 2 of the fitness coaches have left and haven't been replaced. United have no confidence so once they went behind it was game over, I wouldn't be too critical of Ole last night.

Pogba is starting to look like the biggest problem, he didn't give all he could last night; There was several instances of him putting no effort into getting back and as Gary Neville said it looks like he doesn't want to be there. How can you keep a player like that who turns it on when he feels like it, unfortunately that decision might be taken out of Ole's hands as it sounds like Woodward is desperate to keep him for commercial reasons.

When Ole mentioned it recently it joined the dots. A lot of these guys really upped the workrate when Mourinho was sacked but didn't have the base level conditioning to maintain it. Now a lot of them look fatigued and hence the poor recent run. I think that's something fixable. Another shocking indictment of the previous regime. I was amazed when someone on this thread lambasted Moyes and LVG but claimed "progress had been made" under Mourinho. Laughable. Overall though, things are never as good as them seem in good times or bad as they seem in bad times. We'll know shortly. I like to see transfers getting wrapped up nice and early. It indicates a planned approach. Later in the summer (or worse still January) worry me.

Need to beat Chelsea at the weekend. They're a level or two below City so it should be doable. Just have to stop conceding poor goals to have a chance. At least a win there keeps the last few weeks interesting (and hope still lives of avoiding the Thursday/Sunday routine next season).

Finished 2nd,got the highest points total since Ferguson retired and only conceded 28 goals. That was progress from what Moyes and Van Gaal but that was last season and in the end he was rightly sacked after leaving United 11 points off 4th.

Finished 19 points behind City who had the title wrapped up very early. United are 25 points behind City today after a recent terrible run. Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal got better. 2nd place last year wasn't any sort of achievement.

Seanie I also found Mourinho deplorable but it does seem like there is nothing you would give him any credit for and everything you would find him at fault for. He does seem to push you beyond being rational...

I'm perfectly rational on him and have been since the rumours started about him getting the United job. I'm afraid it's others who've lost their minds to even contemplate it was destined for anything bar abject failure. With lasting ramifications.

About 80% of what you're saying is right IMO but you do stray into losing the plot and not being rational territory about the other 20%.

[Cunny Funt]

Would you boys not think Pogba is worth building the team around? Might take a season or two, but with his control in tight spaces, passing ability and goal scoring, there is definitely a talented top player in there. Fair enough, his attitude needs work and he has to be managed, but so did Cantona when Fergie brought him in.

He's not or never will be the type of player you build a team around. He's not leader like Cantona was who got others around him playing better. Pogba needs players around him performing well to get the best out of him and he's probably the last player you want on a team when they are playing poorly.