I might as well get the show on the road for this one.
Mayo will be deservedly hot favorites after the demolition of Leitrim today. 4-20 is a serious score against any team, so we will have our work cut out for us to keep it respectable.
We're always better as underdogs, and all the pressure will be on Mayo.
Does anyone know what Eamon O'Hara's status is? Will be available for selection, or is the knee still bothering him.
Three weeks to go, hoping it's a good final. I assume Mayo will select Roscommon as the venue.
Mayo will win this.
The true victor will be Roscommon
(town)
(and maybe the minor team)
From the Duke on the Roscommon people this week.
"the capacity of Dr Hyde Park was reduced to 18,500 after a report on facilities countrywide was carried out last year by the GAA.
Remedial works have been carried out at the Roscommon venue in the meantime, and meetings between the Roscommon county board and the Connacht Council have been held on the matter in recent weeks. The capacity of Pearse Stadium is 30,000.
No decision on the venue for the Connacht final will be held until after Sunday's game at McHale Park and there is a scheduled meeting of the Connacht Council on Thursday the 28th June at which a decision is expected to be made."
In other words the Connacht Final might be Salthill yet.
'Remedial works' almost surely means it's again at a capacity to host a Connacht final. Even this board isn't stupid enough to have their pants at their knees on the eve of the most lucrative game in the province.
Looks like the Hyde isn't up to the standard required. Salthill is a bit far to be asking people to travel, especially those from north Sligo. I suppose it might be fairer to just have the game in Castlebar. Sort this mess out Prenty! :)
Three weeks of shadow boxing over the fitness of O'Hara and O'Shea coming up?
Could it not be played in Tuam if Roscommon is not up to it? I personally reckon 18,500 is enough capacity, would be doing well to get more than that. I'd prefer to go to Castlebar than Salthill.
I reckon that Mayo would like to wait until the Roscommon/Galway minor match has been decided before committing to a venue. ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 10:09:51 AM
Could it not be played in Tuam if Roscommon is not up to it? I personally reckon 18,500 is enough capacity, would be doing well to get more than that. I'd prefer to go to Castlebar than Salthill.
Disagree with you re crowd size seanie. Afterall, over 14000 turned up for Mayo v Leitrim. Sligo will attract more Mayo fans and I'm sure ye will travel in a sizeable number yereselves.
Job done against Leitrim yesterday. Mayo really were on a a hiding to nothing. Leitrim really poor and unless Mayo won with a score similar to what they did, you really would have to wonder. Barry Moran got man of the match and he did put in a great shift, but the Leitrim midfield was so bad you could not look to much into Barry's display. Mayo go into a connacht final learning nothing except that we still have problems with the forward line. It looks like the mort will be back in along with conroy but this only addresses some of the issues. Cillian is not mobile enough for the half forward line and Dillon just is not performing lately. Despite getting two goals yesterday Andy is wasted in the full forward lien. He was out of teh game for huge periods when his work rate was needed further out the pitch.
Anyway on to the final
Sligo bucks reckon Mayo hammering Leitrim is the best result for them. They seem to have this idea that because of yesterdays result we will now head into the connacht final sure of a win and end up getting turned over due to complacency. Well sorry lads not gonna happen. Were not gonna forget two years ago that handy. This is a decent Sligo team and I expect them to give us a good test. We probably will be favourites, but thats more of a historical thing then anything else. I do expect Mayo to win but it aint gonna be easy
Quote from: Syferus on June 25, 2012, 03:22:32 AM
'Remedial works' almost surely means it's again at a capacity to host a Connacht final. Even this board isn't stupid enough to have their pants at their knees on the eve of the most lucrative game in the province.
It should but there's a good chance that it doesn't. I suppose it really depends on the scale of the remedial works being carried out.
If the Hyde fails the test, I can see no alternative to Castlebar. I know it's Mayo's home venue but where else is there to consider?
Salthill is a half day's drive from North Sligo and Galway city is one bad hoor of a place to drive through at the best of times. Tuam isn't up to much either.
If Sligo refuses to cede home advantage to Mayo and I would imagine they wouldn't be happy to go there, one would have to go outside the province. I can't see that happening. Pearse Park couldn't cater for the crowds expected so where else could stage the game? I dunno..
Could be played in castlebar yet ;) Mayo v Sligo will bring a large crowd (remember croke park are looking for repayment )
Quote from: mayo.mick on June 25, 2012, 11:16:12 AM
Could be played in castlebar yet ;) Mayo v Sligo will bring a large crowd (remember croke park are looking for repayment )
I don't think Mr Prenty could go back on the agreement made in 97 :P The game will be played at a neutral venue lads so enough of the wind up
Look, dance your salsas around it as much as you can but there's about a 1% chance they game will be anywhere but the Hyde. The work that was to be done on it was completed time for the Galway game, we're not talking major building work.
Hope it's in the Hyde over Salthill.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2012, 10:35:47 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 10:09:51 AM
Could it not be played in Tuam if Roscommon is not up to it? I personally reckon 18,500 is enough capacity, would be doing well to get more than that. I'd prefer to go to Castlebar than Salthill.
Disagree with you re crowd size seanie. Afterall, over 14000 turned up for Mayo v Leitrim. Sligo will attract more Mayo fans and I'm sure ye will travel in a sizeable number yereselves.
Every report I heard said 10,000. It would be something else if more than 6-7000 Sligo people went. Supposing the extra Mayo supporters cancel out the Leitrim ones that were there yesterday - then you're still well under 18,500.
From MayoGAA's twitter:
@Maigheoforsam Decision is to be made tonight. We will announce as soon as we get word.
The announcement will be tonight, anyways.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 01:03:30 PM
[Disagree with you re crowd size seanie. Afterall, over 14000 turned up for Mayo v Leitrim. Sligo will attract more Mayo fans and I'm sure ye will travel in a sizeable number yereselves.
Every report I heard said 10,000. It would be something else if more than 6-7000 Sligo people went. Supposing the extra Mayo supporters cancel out the Leitrim ones that were there yesterday - then you're still well under 18,500.
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14,398 is official figure quoted in several papers today.
If the Hyde is still limited to 18,500 then we have no hope of getting it.
In taht case I imagine Prenty will do some arm twisting on the Sligo Co Board to get it in Castlebar .
Could be ye're chance to get all those grants for all ye're pet projects Seanie/Sligonian etc ;)
I dont think traffic etc would be an excuse to move a final out of salthill to castlebar. I dont think the extra hour to galway would stop too many sligo supporters travelling. If it does then I wouldn't consider them real supporters.
Either we have rules or we don't. I don't see why sligo should concede on this especially after mayo scoring 4-20 in Cbar yesterday
Playing the game in Salthill would reduce the attendance by thousands. Even 1000 less would mean 20,000 loss in revenue for the Connacht Council. Can t see them take a hammering. They d be fools to.
Any Mayo fans that have been to Salthill in recent years will have hellish memories of getting in and out of the place. Even those of us very familiar with the city and different rat runs struggle. It s going to be a chore for Sligo fans too. Castlebar could attract 5000 more than Salthill. Should the CC turn their noses up to euro100,000 ;)
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
Playing the game in Salthill would reduce the attendance by thousands. Even 1000 less would mean 20,000 loss in revenue for the Connacht Council. Can t see them take a hammering. They d be fools to.
Any Mayo fans that have been to Salthill in recent years will have hellish memories of getting in and out of the place. Even those of us very familiar with the city and different rat runs struggle. It s going to be a chore for Sligo fans too. Castlebar could attract 5000 more than Salthill. Should the CC turn their noses up to euro100,000 ;)
I know we're only the sideshow but does the fact that it might be unfair granting Mayo home advantage not come into it?
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 03:39:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
Playing the game in Salthill would reduce the attendance by thousands. Even 1000 less would mean 20,000 loss in revenue for the Connacht Council. Can t see them take a hammering. They d be fools to.
Any Mayo fans that have been to Salthill in recent years will have hellish memories of getting in and out of the place. Even those of us very familiar with the city and different rat runs struggle. It s going to be a chore for Sligo fans too. Castlebar could attract 5000 more than Salthill. Should the CC turn their noses up to euro100,000 ;)
I know we're only the sideshow but does the fact that it might be unfair granting Mayo home advantage not come into it?
It should. I don t care myself where it is. Of course it would be handier in Castlebar. If it is in Salthill or the Hyde and I don t fancy the hassle or expense it ll be on the telly anyways.
Probably a storm in a teacup. Can't see the Hyde being full to even 18,500 capacity.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 04:10:40 PM
Probably a storm in a teacup. Can't see the Hyde being full to even 18,500 capacity.
If our minors reach the final you can add another few thousand if Galway reach it add a few hundred.
I couldn't imagine the Sligo County Board caving in to the demands of the Connacht Council (John Prenty). After all there is an agreement in place that states all Connacht finals involving Sligo are to be played at neutral venues. If the County Board caves in it doesn't show a great example to the team.
This is probably all academic. What is the capacity of the all new, all singing, all dancing, remedial Dr Hyde Park.
If it can take 25,000 it will get the gig. It used to be 30,000 before it was condemned.
Mayo 1/4 draw 10/1 Sligo 7/2 closer odds than the Munster football final.
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
This is probably all academic. What is the capacity of the all new, all singing, all dancing, remedial Dr Hyde Park.
If it can take 25,000 it will get the gig. It used to be 30,000 before it was condemned.
Only needs to be 20,000 to host a Connacht final.
Will be surprised if it's not the Hyde so.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2012, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
This is probably all academic. What is the capacity of the all new, all singing, all dancing, remedial Dr Hyde Park.
If it can take 25,000 it will get the gig. It used to be 30,000 before it was condemned.
Only needs to be 20,000 to host a Connacht final.
There was more than 14,000 present yesterday for Mayo- Leitrim. Sligo folk will fancy this and while Mayo crowds are well down on a good day there could be a good turn. At least there would be if it was Castlebar. A neutral venue will take a third off the Mayo support imo.
f**k this new stadium regulations anyway. As bad and all as Hyde Park is, I prefer it to Salthill any day. I also think it's quite crazy that the Connacht Council ruled out the possibility of Sligo being in the Connacht final. That could motivate Sligo that extra bit on the day too.
Hyde Park is the finest stadium between a graveyard and a hospital in the world.
Whatever the venue this promises to be a very good final, providing we get decent weather like yesterday.
There ll be a fair old contrast in styles. Sligo will be looking for Kelly and Marren early and often with kicked passes. How Mulholland did not drop somebody back to cut out that ball is beyond belief. I suppose he was too preoccupied with getting PJ and Meehan on the field ::), oblivious to the destruction at the other end. Horan will hardly fall into the same trap.
On the other hand Sligo have a different approach to contend with. 2010 was won easily by dealing with the early Freeman threat by bringing O Hara back as a sweeper. This time they ll have to cope with a completely different approach.
if sligo dont relent and come to castlebar the fcuk them lets take a trip to salthill at least well gt a day out as well
its not so mucjh hyde park being a damgerous dump but the rest of the town
How much dutch courage did you need to type that one up? :'(
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2012, 01:00:30 AM
How much dutch courage did you need to type that one up? :'(
Seriously though, the game should be in Castlebar. I don t think that it would give Mayo any advantage really.
We played them last time out in Mark. Park. So what? Spent a few bob in KFC in the town after the game with the missus and kids. Maybe Castlebar business could do with a few bob? Why bring this game to a neutral town?
The more I think about it the more I feel like watchin this one on the telly, if it s in Hyde or Pearse. Sligo lads I know want in in McHale as well. Of course the real venue should be in the old heartland - Ballina - if things had been done right.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 01:25:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2012, 01:00:30 AM
How much dutch courage did you need to type that one up? :'(
Seriously though, the game should be in Castlebar. I don t think that it would give Mayo any advantage really.
We played them last time out in Mark. Park. So what? Spent a few bob in KFC in the town after the game with the missus and kids. Maybe Castlebar business could do with a few bob? Why bring this game to a neutral town?
The more I think about it the more I feel like watchin this one on the telly, if it s in Hyde or Pearse. Sligo lads I know want in in McHale as well. Of course the real venue should be in the old heartland - Ballina - if things had been done right.
It's not unreasonable for Sligo to expect a neutral venue - on that basis the Hyde would be preferable over Salthill, the lesser of 2 evils - and they are both evil.
Castlebar a no brainer for most people, including travelling Sligo supporters but that's not how these things generally work
The Hyde is the perfect size for these matches - McHale Park is grossly over-sized, and that's in a province where the Hyde can accomodate 30,000 in a county with a total population of 63,000.
42,000 is absolute over-kill, especially for a game where breaking over 22,000 would be doing very well. On top of neutrality and location the effect on atmosphere has to come into the equation when we're not talking about a home/away arrangement.
It doesn't matter how comfortable the seats are if you're jumping off them to cheer every five seconds.
Castlebar is a no brainer for people with no brains ;)
Syferus, McHale Park doesn't hold 42,000. Capacity is around 36,000 I think. The 42,000 figure relates to a proposed expansion to the Albany End that was (correctly) never carried out.
Any white smoke from the Connacht Council meeting? I can see the need to have the discussion. It may be time to bin the 1997 rule. I don't know too much about the finances of this but I'm guessing that Ros or Galway would get a cut of the gate or a decent fee if they get the game? That's cash that Mayo and Sligo can ill-afford to throw away with new stands and centres of excellence to pay for and maintain. Maybe they can come to an arrangement that is mutually beneficial and make a new 2012 rule. Holding this game in the wind tunnel seems crazy.
The arrogance of the Mayo crowd! Under the current rules Sligo are not allowed to have a home Connacht final, ever, yet ye think it is fair enough we should go to Castlebar for one to play ye in one. As I said earlier, I know we're only the token opposition for the day on yer march to September but try to stop and think for a minute.
Under the logic ye are using all Connacht championship games involving Mayo should be played in Castlebar.
There's no way Salthill is necessary. Roscommon will be adequate.
eh , it was sligo that brought in this rule....
Any word on a Sligo team yet? (I'm in UK with work and getting news withdrawels). COME ON SLIGO!
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 26, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
The arrogance of the Mayo crowd! Under the current rules Sligo are not allowed to have a home Connacht final, ever, yet ye think it is fair enough we should go to Castlebar for one to play ye in one. As I said earlier, I know we're only the token opposition for the day on yer march to September but try to stop and think for a minute.
Under the logic ye are using all Connacht championship games involving Mayo should be played in Castlebar.There's no way Salthill is necessary. Roscommon will be adequate.
Of course the counter argument is that we are then never allowed to play you at home in a Connacht Final despite our investment in our stadium over the years, the reason being that your ground isn't up to a reciprocal arrangement, i.e. we are paying the price for your lack of stadium investment.
That doesn't seem fair on us. Maybe it needs to be every second final in future, one in Castlebar, one in Roscommon. But if Ros isn't up to it this time around, play it in Castlebar. Salthill makes no sense from either teams perspective.
How many does markievicz hold?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2012, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 26, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
The arrogance of the Mayo crowd! Under the current rules Sligo are not allowed to have a home Connacht final, ever, yet ye think it is fair enough we should go to Castlebar for one to play ye in one. As I said earlier, I know we're only the token opposition for the day on yer march to September but try to stop and think for a minute.
Under the logic ye are using all Connacht championship games involving Mayo should be played in Castlebar.There's no way Salthill is necessary. Roscommon will be adequate.
Of course the counter argument is that we are then never allowed to play you at home in a Connacht Final despite our investment in our stadium over the years, the reason being that your ground isn't up to a reciprocal arrangement, i.e. we are paying the price for your lack of stadium investment.
That doesn't seem fair on us. Maybe it needs to be every second final in future, one in Castlebar, one in Roscommon. But if Ros isn't up to it this time around, play it in Castlebar. Salthill makes no sense from either teams perspective.
I think that a fair enough trade for not been able to ever play a Connacht final in our own ground. A lot of investment has gone into Mark Park in the last 10 years perhaps the Connacht Council should invest more money in order to get it to the standard required to host the final in the future. It is the first time in 15 years that Mayo and Sligo have played in a Connacht final, Roscommon and Galway have had no issue with the arrangement in 2002, 2007 and 2010.
In the meantime there is an agreement in place the Connacht Council, John Prenty and Mayo GAA should honour it. Its time for Sligo County Board to stand up and reject any financial incentives that is coming their way and keep to the agreement and play the final at a neutral venue.
I definitely agree that Sligo GAA should be looking to bring Mark Park up to the minimum standard. I wouldn't have thought it would take too much work, its a decent ground, albeit not a particularly happy hunting ground for us in recent years. Sligo have been in numerous Connacht Finals in the last 15 years and it's a shame that they never get to host one. It would also solve this debate in an instant.
Some mad ideas being thrown out there - playing one Connacht final at 'home' in Roscommon and one away in Castlebar is not a fair or equitable arrangement. It doesn't matter how much money's been pumped into McHale Park. And we also have too many large stadiums in the province as it stands without creating another one. Pump the money into grassroots and not concrete if you want to be successful.
The situation as it stands makes perfect sense; if a little drive really is that much of a bother to so many Mayo fans maybe ye should tune in the old wireless instead.
Home and away fixtures are the way to go, think back to Castlebar and Tuam during the mid/ late 90s with the heaving crowds and banter, hard to beat. Great times and some cracking matches. Dragging us off to the Hyde would have taken away so much of the occasion. All the talk of Mayo winning in Tuam for first time in a few generations etc.
Mark. park is a fine ground that unfortunately does not have the capacity to hold Connacht finals so we are stuck with this agreement.
Galway: 250,541
Mayo: 133,552
Sligo: 65,393
Fin.
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 26, 2012, 10:12:50 AM
The arrogance of the Mayo crowd! Under the current rules Sligo are not allowed to have a home Connacht final, ever, yet ye think it is fair enough we should go to Castlebar for one to play ye in one. As I said earlier, I know we're only the token opposition for the day on yer march to September but try to stop and think for a minute.
Under the logic ye are using all Connacht championship games involving Mayo should be played in Castlebar. There's no way Salthill is necessary. Roscommon will be adequate.
Eh? We played in Mark. Park 2 years ago! It s our turn for a home match anyway! Just because ye re grounds are considered too small for a final should not mean we have to give up home finals as well even though we have the largest capacity in the province. Couldn t make that shit up! If it was Sligo s turn and they dug their heels in and played it in Mark Park with a capacity of say 15000 with tickets distributed through the clubs, that would be the way to go in my book. The only time we should play in Hyde or Salthill is when we play Ros or Galway, unless Sligo or Leitrim choose to play neutral instead of at home.
So quit trying to play the victim here because your not one. If anybody is suffering because of this arrangement its us.
Moysider
Dry your eyes for gods sake and get real.
Why are ye suffering? The next non-final game between the two teams will be in Cbar, end of story.
Ye are huge favourites, ye knew the rules beforehand so stop behaving like a spoiled child and get the gps ready for a trip to roscommon to cheer your beloved 1/4 favourites.
Any updates on injuries etc....
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 26, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Moysider
Dry your eyes for gods sake and get real.
Why are ye suffering? The next non-final game between the two teams will be in Cbar, end of story.
Ye are huge favourites, ye knew the rules beforehand so stop behaving like a spoiled child and get the gps ready for a trip to roscommon to cheer your beloved 4/1 favourites.
Any updates on injuries etc....
Such shite. Nobody s crying but some of ye guys seem very anxious to avoid Castlebar for some reason.
A waste of what could be a great occasion bringing this game to Hyde or a non-football venue like Salthill. Why drag the odds into it anyway? You and every other Sligo fan are expecting to win this one. Let s get that clear anyway. Galway were clear favourites too remember. Bookie s odds are more a reflection of how idiots like to lose money than real football form.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 26, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Moysider
Dry your eyes for gods sake and get real.
Why are ye suffering? The next non-final game between the two teams will be in Cbar, end of story.
Ye are huge favourites, ye knew the rules beforehand so stop behaving like a spoiled child and get the gps ready for a trip to roscommon to cheer your beloved 4/1 favourites.
Any updates on injuries etc....
Such shite. Nobody s crying but some of ye guys seem very anxious to avoid Castlebar for some reason.
A waste of what could be a great occasion bringing this game to Hyde or a non-football venue like Salthill. Why drag the odds into it anyway? You and every other Sligo fan are expecting to win this one. Let s get that clear anyway. Galway were clear favourites too remember. Bookie s odds are more a reflection of how idiots like to lose money than real football form.
You obviously never heard of this agreement within Connacht then - Roscommon and Galway had no problem adhering to it. Ye will get the next non final between the 2 teams at Castlebar anyway.
You know full well that home advantage is huge at Connacht championship level. Its something that Sligo cannot attain at Connacht final level. Now cop yourself on and accept the fact that the game will be in Roscommon.
Mayo people wanting to bend the rules (the rules that everyone else adheres to) to suit themselves - who'd have thunk it?
Quote from: Mano on June 26, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 26, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Moysider
Dry your eyes for gods sake and get real.
Why are ye suffering? The next non-final game between the two teams will be in Cbar, end of story.
Ye are huge favourites, ye knew the rules beforehand so stop behaving like a spoiled child and get the gps ready for a trip to roscommon to cheer your beloved 4/1 favourites.
Any updates on injuries etc....
Such shite. Nobody s crying but some of ye guys seem very anxious to avoid Castlebar for some reason.
A waste of what could be a great occasion bringing this game to Hyde or a non-football venue like Salthill. Why drag the odds into it anyway? You and every other Sligo fan are expecting to win this one. Let s get that clear anyway. Galway were clear favourites too remember. Bookie s odds are more a reflection of how idiots like to lose money than real football form.
You obviously never heard of this agreement within Connacht then - Roscommon and Galway had no problem adhering to it. Ye will get the next non final between the 2 teams at Castlebar anyway.
You know full well that home advantage is huge at Connacht championship level. Its something that Sligo cannot attain at Connacht final level. Now cop yourself on and accept the fact that the game will be in Roscommon.
Yawn. I kinda accepted that a long time ago but I like to argue the toss ;) But it would appear that others have not accepted it. Otherwise the Hyde would have been confirmed last night after that meeting. Local newspaper reporting er ..em 'negotiations' behind the scenes and Castlebar not ruled out yet ;D
At this stage the Hyde would probably be better from a Mayo point of view anyway. We wouldn t want the all blacks arriving in Mchale Park with any seige mentality or sense of grievance that might motivate them.
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 03:38:27 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 26, 2012, 03:18:28 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 26, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Moysider
Dry your eyes for gods sake and get real.
Why are ye suffering? The next non-final game between the two teams will be in Cbar, end of story.
Ye are huge favourites, ye knew the rules beforehand so stop behaving like a spoiled child and get the gps ready for a trip to roscommon to cheer your beloved 4/1 favourites.
Any updates on injuries etc....
Such shite. Nobody s crying but some of ye guys seem very anxious to avoid Castlebar for some reason.
A waste of what could be a great occasion bringing this game to Hyde or a non-football venue like Salthill. Why drag the odds into it anyway? You and every other Sligo fan are expecting to win this one. Let s get that clear anyway. Galway were clear favourites too remember. Bookie s odds are more a reflection of how idiots like to lose money than real football form.
You obviously never heard of this agreement within Connacht then - Roscommon and Galway had no problem adhering to it. Ye will get the next non final between the 2 teams at Castlebar anyway.
You know full well that home advantage is huge at Connacht championship level. Its something that Sligo cannot attain at Connacht final level. Now cop yourself on and accept the fact that the game will be in Roscommon.
Yawn. I kinda accepted that a long time ago but I like to argue the toss ;) But it would appear that others have not accepted it. Otherwise the Hyde would have been confirmed last night after that meeting. Local newspaper reporting er ..em 'negotiations' behind the scenes and Castlebar not ruled out yet ;D
At this stage the Hyde would probably be better from a Mayo point of view anyway. We wouldn t want the all blacks arriving in Mchale Park with any seige mentality or sense of grievance that might motivate them.
Ah I dunno moysider...they might spend a few bob driving through Ballina on the way sure. Handy few euro.
'Negotiations' is one word for alright, I'd have another word for it
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 03:38:27 PM
[. Local newspaper reporting er ..em 'negotiations' behind the scenes and Castlebar not ruled out yet ;D
Prenty witholding Sligo's grants so.
Quote from: Mano on June 26, 2012, 03:45:14 PM
'Negotiations' is one word for alright, I'd have another word for it
The colour of Sligo's jersey coupled with how the yanks refer to their post?
Heard strong word that this one will be in Salthill.
There is some proposed construction of sheep dipping tanks due in Hyde Park, that will down grade its capacity even further ::)
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 26, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 26, 2012, 03:45:14 PM
'Negotiations' is one word for alright, I'd have another word for it
The colour of Sligo's jersey coupled with how the yanks refer to their post?
Let me see now......Sligo jersey..... White .. something. Parcel maybe ??????...... I give up. What is it?
Quote from: moysider on June 26, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 26, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: Mano on June 26, 2012, 03:45:14 PM
'Negotiations' is one word for alright, I'd have another word for it
The colour of Sligo's jersey coupled with how the yanks refer to their post?
Let me see now......Sligo jersey..... White .. something. Parcel maybe ??????...... I give up. What is it?
That latest offering from Moysider shows exactly what we are dealing with here Seanie
I think it's time for Sligo to upgrade their ground. That'd put an end to a lot of the shite spoken on here since Sligo beat Galway.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 04:13:45 PM
I think it's time for Sligo to upgrade their ground. That'd put an end to a lot of the shite spoken on here since Sligo beat Galway.
Perhaps it's time for Sligoman2 to realise it's the CONN
ACHT Final.
I know ye were a garrison town , with a Senior Soccer club to prove it , but ye can leave of the old Anglicised spelling of our lovely little Province.
Today's Connacht Council statement was very vague, banging on about clarifying stadium capacities. Decision on Thursday. Anywhere but Salthill will do for me. But if all was well at the Hyde we'd have had a decision last night, so something's up.
Sligo lads need a reality check too though. Sligo County Board won't be whiteparcelled into anything here. It will only go to Castlebar if the price is right and they're happy to do so. If not, it'll be someplace else.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2012, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 04:13:45 PM
I think it's time for Sligo to upgrade their ground. That'd put an end to a lot of the shite spoken on here since Sligo beat Galway.
Perhaps it's time for Sligoman2 to realise it's the CONNACHT Final.
I know ye were a garrison town , with a Senior Soccer club to prove it , but ye can leave of the old Anglicised spelling of our lovely little Province.
I'm more concerned with where we play it than how you spell it.
Moysider, how could we be convinced were going to win this ffs. We've won 3 in 120 years and we're playing the current champs and div1 finalists who racked up 4-20 on sunday. Now some of the whinging supporters want an even bigger advantage.
I dunno lads, ye're a funny bunch.
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Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2012, 04:56:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 04:13:45 PM
I think it's time for Sligo to upgrade their ground. That'd put an end to a lot of the shite spoken on here since Sligo beat Galway.
Perhaps it's time for Sligoman2 to realise it's the CONNACHT Final.
I know ye were a garrison town , with a Senior Soccer club to prove it , but ye can leave of the old Anglicised spelling of our lovely little Province.
I'm more concerned with where we play it than how you spell it.
Moysider, how could we be convinced were going to win this ffs. We've won 3 in 120 years and we're playing the current champs and div1 finalists who racked up 4-20 on sunday. Now some of the whinging supporters want an even bigger advantage.
I dunno lads, ye're a funny bunch.
Glad we amuse you. You re the one that used the word convinced - not me. I merely said that Sligo folk are expecting to win this one. Are you telling me that you are expecting to be beaten?
Its time this was sorted once and for all.
Why not just make McHale park the provincial ground. Like Croke Park in Leinster. It seems to work fine over there.
After all McHale park is the biggest all seater stadium outside Dublin. It should be used more often.
As long as we dont have to go to that hell hole in Roscommon town. Between the traffic, that gobshite ming roaring at ya with a megaphone on the way in and then standing under a bus shelter in the pissings of rain to watch the match. My god I hate that ground. How much friggin money have they spent on that hole. Constantly going around with buckets to collect for ground development and yet when it comes down to it they cannot stage a connacht final.
Where would Sligo posters rather the game be played? Not that I give two f**ks about what the average Sligo Joe Soap thinks, just that if Hyde Park is out of the equation why on Earth would they want to go to Salthill?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
Where would Sligo posters rather the game be played? Not that I give two f**ks about what the average Sligo Joe Soap thinks, just that if Hyde Park is out of the equation why on Earth would they want to go to Salthill?
Because Sligo won their last game in Salthill? When Pearse stadium was redeveloped the original idea was to have all Connacht finals there, shame they didn't spend the money on Tuam stadium instead.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
Where would Sligo posters rather the game be played? Not that I give two f**ks about what the average Sligo Joe Soap thinks, just that if Hyde Park is out of the equation why on Earth would they want to go to Salthill?
Because Sligo won their last game in Salthill? When Pearse stadium was redeveloped the original idea was to have all Connacht finals there, shame they didn't spend the money on Tuam stadium instead.
No it wasnt. Hyde park was the ground selected for all Connacht Finals. After receiving a pile of money from the Connacht Council they made a hames of doing the place up. Mayo and Galway just continued on with swapping the fixtures and left them to it
Actually what happened was the Mayo board got more than a little spiteful about the idea of the beautiful, wonderful Hyde hosting all Connacht finals and ran up huge debts making McHale Park the whitest of white elephants west of the Shannon.
No offense, like ;)
Quote from: criostlinn on June 26, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
Where would Sligo posters rather the game be played? Not that I give two f**ks about what the average Sligo Joe Soap thinks, just that if Hyde Park is out of the equation why on Earth would they want to go to Salthill?
Because Sligo won their last game in Salthill? When Pearse stadium was redeveloped the original idea was to have all Connacht finals there, shame they didn't spend the money on Tuam stadium instead.
No it wasnt. Hyde park was the ground selected for all Connacht Finals. After receiving a pile of money from the Connacht Council they made a hames of doing the place up. Mayo and Galway just continued on with swapping the fixtures and left them to it
Yes it was 20 years ago but since then Pearse stadium was earmarked for finals Mayo didn't want that & spent a load of cash to redevelop Mchale park money they didn't have.
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Quote from: criostlinn on June 26, 2012, 09:11:50 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 26, 2012, 09:07:00 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 08:55:43 PM
Where would Sligo posters rather the game be played? Not that I give two f**ks about what the average Sligo Joe Soap thinks, just that if Hyde Park is out of the equation why on Earth would they want to go to Salthill?
Because Sligo won their last game in Salthill? When Pearse stadium was redeveloped the original idea was to have all Connacht finals there, shame they didn't spend the money on Tuam stadium instead.
No it wasnt. Hyde park was the ground selected for all Connacht Finals. After receiving a pile of money from the Connacht Council they made a hames of doing the place up. Mayo and Galway just continued on with swapping the fixtures and left them to it
Yes it was 20 years ago but since then Pearse stadium was earmarked for finals Mayo didn't want that & spent a load of cash to redevelop Mchale park money they didn't have.
The only finals Pearse Park was ever earmarked for was ones which involved Galway. To take them away from Tuam. That was it. Mayo and Galway have an agreement for every second fixture which includes finals. Despite the Connacht Council plans re: hyde park this agreement was never affected. The McHale park development had nothing to do with this and anyone saying different is only making it up.
It's common knowledge the Mayo county board fast-tracked rebuilding and expansion of McHale Park to nix the plan to make the Hyde the home for all Connacht finals.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
It's common knowledge the Mayo county board fast-tracked rebuilding and expansion of McHale Park to nix the plan to make the Hyde the home for all Connacht finals.
It s been all trotted out. Wasn t going to happen. The idea that finals between Mayo and Galway would be held in the Jykell and Hyde beyond laughable.
That Roscommon would get to play every final there too a joke. It was never going to happen.
Neither Pearse or Hyde suitable for geographical reasons, even leaving out the politics.
One is almost in Leinster the other almost in Munster. Castlebar or Tuam were the best option for a central venue.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
It's common knowledge the Mayo county board fast-tracked rebuilding and expansion of McHale Park to nix the plan to make the Hyde the home for all Connacht finals.
Its common knowledge is it. Hyde Park received the grants about 10 years ago to develop it as a provincial ground. They built a big bus shelter down one side of the pitch. Mayo and Galway saw this for the nonsense it was and carried on as usual.
Fast tracked, good man. McHale park only officially opened on Sunday.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2012, 09:16:25 PM
Actually what happened was the Mayo board got more than a little spiteful about the idea of the beautiful, wonderful Hyde hosting all Connacht finals and ran up huge debts making McHale Park the whitest of white elephants west of the Shannon.
No offense, like ;)
You're crediting our Board with a level of cunning that's beyond them Syferus. I'm not sure those lads could do a whip around for a carryout without buying the Eiffel Tower or something.
Hyde is grand for the Connacht Final IMO.
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Neither Pearse or Hyde suitable for geographical reasons, even leaving out the politics.
One is almost in Leinster the other almost in Munster. Castlebar or Tuam were the best option for a central venue.
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A bit rusty with on geography Moy? one look at the above map & you can see Roscommon is the best option for central Connacht final.
Quote from: Syferus on June 26, 2012, 09:16:25 PM
Actually what happened was the Mayo board got more than a little spiteful about the idea of the beautiful, wonderful Hyde hosting all Connacht finals and ran up huge debts making McHale Park the whitest of white elephants west of the Shannon.
No offense, like ;)
Totally agree, pure waste of money on an oversized stand that is empty bar a championship game v Galway every second year (if you are lucky)!
How on earth does that map show that? Roscommon town is about 8 miles from the Leinster border and isn't on any national primary routes. The centre of Connacht is somewhere around Claremorris/Ballyhaunis (or Bekan!) but as there is no stadium there you have to look elsewhere. With Tuam now falling to wreck and ruin, Castlebar is the most central of those that remain.
By the way, it's a shame that the Hyde has been let go the way it has in the last few years. The whole place just seemed so run down last year at the Connacht Final compared to Pearse or McHale.
This is gas craic altogether. All the Rossies getting hot and bothered about the Connacht final and their own seniors not even in it.
PS, Cosmo is correct with regards the map. ross4life, you could dust up on locating the centre of the province yourself!
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Neither Pearse or Hyde suitable for geographical reasons, even leaving out the politics.
One is almost in Leinster the other almost in Munster. Castlebar or Tuam were the best option for a central venue.
(http://www.connachtwaste.ie/media/Media,6364,en.gif)
A bit rusty with on geography Moy? one look at the above map & you can see Roscommon is the best option for central Connacht final.
Nothing wrong with my geo ross4life. I suggest you look at that map again. We re talking about Roscommon town - it s closer to the westmeath border than it is to the Galway border ffs! It s only about 15 miles from Athlone which is the centre of Ireland ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. And that is because you go south a bit to get to Athlone. The border in the middle of the lake a lot closer. The Hyde is put to bed anyway. That is why let the Pearse Park hare loose earlier for the crack. But for many people in Mayo Pearse park would be handier!
For people in north mayo or west galway it s a bollix of a location and anything but central. And factor in that these folks are required to attend more finals than people closer to the Hyde ;)
This is some going, 6 pages and we haven't even started on the football yet!! I'd like to see the Uladh bucks beat this for arguing!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 26, 2012, 11:08:28 PM
This is some going, 6 pages and we haven't even started on the football yet!! I'd like to see the Uladh bucks beat this for arguing!!
We haven t seen nothing yet. There ll be a decision on Thursday night and if it is not the Hyde there ll be hell to pay.
Remember Sligonian hasn t waded in yet. He must be away.
Roscommon borders every county in Connacht it's more central location than Pearse or Castlebar. For the people of north Mayo they can stay at home like you Moy & watch in on telly if they think it's too much hassle to travel.
Farrandeelin, certainly not hot and bothered if our minors don't reach the final i honestly don't care where the final is staged i'll probably go to the Munster hurling final instead.
Cosmo, Yes it's a shame that the Hyde has been let go the way it has in the last few years when it was redeveloped in the mid 90s it was one of the finest stadiums in Connacht but nothing has been done on it since because as we have no money.
Criostlinn, The buckets collections are not for ground development merely to pay off the huge debts that accrued from been poorly run over the years for example Castlerea business John Murphy helped out by giving a million in order that it's paid back to him.
I just wish they'd done away with the stone bleachers on the stand end. Even if it meant an overall reduction in capacity there had to have been a better way to stay over the Connacht final threshold.
It feels like you're the president when you're sitting in the new stand, surveying the poor peons bellow.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 26, 2012, 11:04:42 PM
This is gas craic altogether. All the Rossies getting hot and bothered about the Connacht final and their own seniors not even in it.
PS, Cosmo is correct with regards the map. ross4life, you could dust up on locating the centre of the province yourself!
We need all those big spending yokes west of Ballagh to come in and start tipping 50's, of course.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
The centre of Connacht is somewhere around Claremorris/Ballyhaunis (or Bekan!) but as there is no stadium there you have to look elsewhere.
I reckon Castlerea would be the centre of Connacht about 15,20 miles from Hyde park & didn't they host Connacht finals in 20s or 30s there?
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Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
The centre of Connacht is somewhere around Claremorris/Ballyhaunis (or Bekan!) but as there is no stadium there you have to look elsewhere.
I reckon Castlerea would be the centre of Connacht about 15,20 miles from Hyde park & didn't they host Connacht finals in 20s or 30s there?
Arrah now yer talkin'.
Could get to the games at a brisk walking pace. Can we do one of those moving jobs like they did with that house in Germany?
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2012, 11:29:54 PM
Roscommon borders every county in Connacht it's more central location than Pearse or Castlebar. For the people of north Mayo they can stay at home like you Moy & watch in on telly if they think it's too much hassle to travel.
Farrandeelin, certainly not hot and bothered if our minors don't reach the final i honestly don't care where the final is staged i'll probably go to the Munster hurling final instead.
Cosmo, Yes it's a shame that the Hyde has been let go the way it has in the last few years when it was redeveloped in the mid 90s it was one of the finest stadiums in Connacht but nothing has been done on it since because as we have no money.
Criostlinn, The buckets collections are not for ground development merely to pay off the huge debts that accrued from been poorly run over the years for example Castlerea business John Murphy helped out by giving a million in order that it's paid back to him.
So you re attitude is to tell people to stay at home if they don t want to go to the Hyde? Nice. I dunno what part of Ros you are in but try driving to Belmullet ( by the time you are in Strokestown more than half way to Dublin - time wise anyway) or Clifden sometime.
As regards watchin it on the telly it is only something I resorted to once before for a Connacht final but it will be an option for a lot of people. Why is so important to you that finals would be held in the Hyde. The idea that Ros is central because it borders the rest is laughable - look at the size of Mayo and Galway, how far Leitrim goes north. Now if anything Roscommon people are spoiled by being very close to Castlebar, Carrick, Sligo and Tuam. You obviously have never had to travel much and Hyde is a handy spot. The hurling crowd in South Galway are closer to the Hyde than most of the football province. I still dont understand why ye think finals should be there but to tell people to stay home and watch it on the telly if they don t like the arrangement is some arrogance.
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Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2012, 11:29:54 PM
Roscommon borders every county in Connacht it's more central location than Pearse or Castlebar. For the people of north Mayo they can stay at home like you Moy & watch in on telly if they think it's too much hassle to travel.
Farrandeelin, certainly not hot and bothered if our minors don't reach the final i honestly don't care where the final is staged i'll probably go to the Munster hurling final instead.
Cosmo, Yes it's a shame that the Hyde has been let go the way it has in the last few years when it was redeveloped in the mid 90s it was one of the finest stadiums in Connacht but nothing has been done on it since because as we have no money.
Criostlinn, The buckets collections are not for ground development merely to pay off the huge debts that accrued from been poorly run over the years for example Castlerea business John Murphy helped out by giving a million in order that it's paid back to him.
So you re attitude is to tell people to stay at home if they don t want to go to the Hyde? Nice. I dunno what part of Ros you are in but try driving to Belmullet ( by the time you are in Strokestown more than half way to Dublin - time wise anyway) or Clifden sometime.
As regards watchin it on the telly it is only something I resorted to once before for a Connacht final but it will be an option for a lot of people. Why is so important to you that finals would be held in the Hyde. The idea that Ros is central because it borders the rest is laughable - look at the size of Mayo and Galway, how far Leitrim goes north. Now if anything Roscommon people are spoiled by being very close to Castlebar, Carrick, Sligo and Tuam. The hurling crowd in South Galway are closer to the Hyde than most of the football province. I still dont understand why ye think finals should be there but to tell people to stay home and watch it on the telly if they don t like the arrangement is some arrogance.
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The more I think about it the more I feel like watchin this one on the telly, if it s in Hyde or Pearse
I'm not telling anyone to stay at home i was referred to you (as you can see in the above quote) who thinks it's too much of hassle to travel but i doubt others will have your attitude.
If your picking a central location for Connacht finals it has to suit all counties & for example Hyde park is closer to Leitrim than Salthill or Castlebar is.
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Neither Pearse or Hyde suitable for geographical reasons, even leaving out the politics.
One is almost in Leinster the other almost in Munster. Castlebar or Tuam were the best option for a central venue.
(http://www.connachtwaste.ie/media/Media,6364,en.gif)
A bit rusty with on geography Moy? one look at the above map & you can see Roscommon is the best option for central Connacht final.
With all due respects, the same can be said about your grasp of symmetry.
It wouldn't be a case of merely moving goalposts but of having to lift and shift the whole bloody province westwards before Roscommon Town became the centre of anywhere or anything else for that matter.
Obviously, Claremorris is the ideal location if one goes looking for a central venue in Connacht. Bekan is a few miles from Claremorris and has been earmarked already for the development of a centre of excellence for all of Connacht.
It's a no-brainer to say that Bekan is the place where a central stadium should be built.
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Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 12:09:19 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2012, 11:29:54 PM
Roscommon borders every county in Connacht it's more central location than Pearse or Castlebar. For the people of north Mayo they can stay at home like you Moy & watch in on telly if they think it's too much hassle to travel.
Farrandeelin, certainly not hot and bothered if our minors don't reach the final i honestly don't care where the final is staged i'll probably go to the Munster hurling final instead.
Cosmo, Yes it's a shame that the Hyde has been let go the way it has in the last few years when it was redeveloped in the mid 90s it was one of the finest stadiums in Connacht but nothing has been done on it since because as we have no money.
Criostlinn, The buckets collections are not for ground development merely to pay off the huge debts that accrued from been poorly run over the years for example Castlerea business John Murphy helped out by giving a million in order that it's paid back to him.
So you re attitude is to tell people to stay at home if they don t want to go to the Hyde? Nice. I dunno what part of Ros you are in but try driving to Belmullet ( by the time you are in Strokestown more than half way to Dublin - time wise anyway) or Clifden sometime.
As regards watchin it on the telly it is only something I resorted to once before for a Connacht final but it will be an option for a lot of people. Why is so important to you that finals would be held in the Hyde. The idea that Ros is central because it borders the rest is laughable - look at the size of Mayo and Galway, how far Leitrim goes north. Now if anything Roscommon people are spoiled by being very close to Castlebar, Carrick, Sligo and Tuam. The hurling crowd in South Galway are closer to the Hyde than most of the football province. I still dont understand why ye think finals should be there but to tell people to stay home and watch it on the telly if they don t like the arrangement is some arrogance.
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The more I think about it the more I feel like watchin this one on the telly, if it s in Hyde or Pearse
I'm not telling anyone to stay at home i was referred to you (as you can see in the above quote) who thinks it's too much of hassle to travel but i doubt others will have your attitude.
If your picking a central location for Connacht finals it has to suit all counties & for example Hyde park is closer to Leitrim than Salthill or Castlebar is.
Yeah and realistically how many Connacht finals do Leitrim get to. And it is no closer to Kinlough than Castlebar by much I d say.
As regards you re dab hand at editing my quote b- great - but apologies that it wasn t obviously a 'tongue in cheek' remark.
I don t think the Con. Council have to worry about my attendance. I ve even been at neutral Connacht Championship matches in the Hyde, Tuam and Mark. down the years goin back to the 78 decider in Pearse St. I ve enjoyed those games as much as many involving Mayo. I managed to get to the Hyde last year so not exactly deterred by bad weather. And chances are that I ll be there again and wont moan too much. Not me the CC are fretting about. I m a fixture ( I'm there 99% of the time). It s the thousands that are iffy and will be swayed by weather and location that s their baby. The CC knows that they have to get as many arses on seats as they can for the big gig of the year. Money talks and bullshit ........ and all that. And Connacht football needs every bob going.
After all this shite now I m hoping we go to the Hyde and not have any bullshit hanging over us. Castlebar would have been gravy for both teams but a bit of gruel never did anybody any harm. I hope we can take them there and have a first round or semi in McHale Park against them next year.
As it stands we have three neutral venues for Leitrim,Sligo tell me which one are more central? & Lar ye spent enough money already on Mchale park & Prenty's place than to even consider building a central stadium & centre of excellence for all of Connacht yeah right.... that's why Leitrim,Sligo have their own centres already.
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Yeah and realistically how many Connacht finals do Leitrim get to. And it is no closer to Kinlough than Castlebar by much I d say.
As regards you re dab hand at editing my quote b- great - but apologies that it wasn t obviously a 'tongue in cheek' remark.
I don t think the Con. Council have to worry about my attendance. I ve even been at neutral Connacht Championship matches in the Hyde, Tuam and Mark. down the years goin back to the 78 decider in Pearse St. I ve enjoyed those games as much as many involving Mayo. I managed to get to the Hyde last year so not exactly deterred by bad weather. And chances are that I ll be there again and wont moan too much. Not me the CC are fretting about. I m a fixture ( I'm there 99% of the time). It s the thousands that are iffy and will be swayed by weather and location that s their baby. The CC knows that they have to get as many arses on seats as they can for the big gig of the year. Money talks and bullshit ........ and all that. And Connacht football needs every bob going.
After all this shite now I m hoping we go to the Hyde and not have any bullshit hanging over us. Castlebar would have been gravy for both teams but a bit of gruel never did anybody any harm. I hope we can take them there and have a first round or semi in McHale Park against them next year.
I didn't pick up on your "'tongue in cheek' remark but i accept your apology ;)
If Leitrim get us or Sligo in semi finals then they have a 50% of reaching finals. You think by having this final in Mchale automatically means a higher attendance? I'm not so sure, last year's Ros v Mayo had 25,000 (it wasn't full) & i think this years final will be doing well to get close to that attendance regardless of where it's played.
Like yourself I've been to many finals over the last few decades & i'd say i've been neutral more times than you. Anyways if you believe in omens? 96/97 Was Mayo's last back to back Connacht titles the 1997 final was v Sligo in Hyde park. Sligo have never won a Connacht title in Salthill but have in other venues.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/mayo-poised-to-receive-machale-park-final-boost-3151568.html\
Back in Ireland after a year travelling. Delighted to see the lads in red and green going well.
That article in the Indo appears to say that Castlebar is a "done deal". If Sligo County Board are happy to play it in McHale Park we are more than happy to oblige them.
QuoteBack in Ireland after a year travelling
The eagle has landed. Welcome back.
Looks like theres a strong chance now that common sense might be about to prevail here. And I'm pleased that it will be on Sligo's terms as well, it's only fair and this way they can have no complaints about going to Castlebar as they have willingly agreed to it, and will no doubt benefit significantly in financial terms, as they deserve to.
Welcome back Barney.
Common sense is you honour an agreement that was made. If SCC wave the white flag (i don't think they will) to blackmail from the Connacht Council then they should resign their elected positions en masse.
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2012, 01:30:16 AM
As it stands we have three neutral venues for Leitrim,Sligo tell me which one are more central? & Lar ye spent enough money already on Mchale park & Prenty's place than to even consider building a central stadium & centre of excellence for all of Connacht yeah right.... that's why Leitrim,Sligo have their own centres already.
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Yeah and realistically how many Connacht finals do Leitrim get to. And it is no closer to Kinlough than Castlebar by much I d say.
As regards you re dab hand at editing my quote b- great - but apologies that it wasn t obviously a 'tongue in cheek' remark.
I don t think the Con. Council have to worry about my attendance. I ve even been at neutral Connacht Championship matches in the Hyde, Tuam and Mark. down the years goin back to the 78 decider in Pearse St. I ve enjoyed those games as much as many involving Mayo. I managed to get to the Hyde last year so not exactly deterred by bad weather. And chances are that I ll be there again and wont moan too much. Not me the CC are fretting about. I m a fixture ( I'm there 99% of the time). It s the thousands that are iffy and will be swayed by weather and location that s their baby. The CC knows that they have to get as many arses on seats as they can for the big gig of the year. Money talks and bullshit ........ and all that. And Connacht football needs every bob going.
After all this shite now I m hoping we go to the Hyde and not have any bullshit hanging over us. Castlebar would have been gravy for both teams but a bit of gruel never did anybody any harm. I hope we can take them there and have a first round or semi in McHale Park against them next year.
I didn't pick up on your "'tongue in cheek' remark but i accept your apology ;)
If Leitrim get us or Sligo in semi finals then they have a 50% of reaching finals. You think by having this final in Mchale automatically means a higher attendance? I'm not so sure, last year's Ros v Mayo had 25,000 (it wasn't full) & i think this years final will be doing well to get close to that attendance regardless of where it's played.
Like yourself I've been to many finals over the last few decades & i'd say i've been neutral more times than you. Anyways if you believe in omens? 96/97 Was Mayo's last back to back Connacht titles the 1997 final was v Sligo in Hyde park. Sligo have never won a Connacht title in Salthill but have in other venues.
It looks like you were overly optimistic about the Hyde's redevelopment being completed in time.
McHale is probably going to get the gig.
That may be an unpalatable fact for some but another fact is that there is no practical alternative.
I'm none to sure that there will be a full- capacity attendance there either. There was sweet damn all interest in the Mayo/Leitrim game in the county as far as I could see. Maybe it's a case going to the well for water and finding there's a hole in the bucket once again for Mayo's long-suffering supporters. Unless this year's side shows they have some potential Mayo folk will stay with the silage harvesting or continue sneaking turf outa their bogs or whatever.
With regard to the craic out in Bekan, I know there ain't going to be a stadium built there in the near future but if a cub of the Celtic Tiger ever shows up, maybe sense will prevail.
The only counties in the republic that appear to have the resources to go it alone are Kerry, Cork, Dublin and probably Kildare. Maybe Meath also at a pinch.
Up north, the gravy train that is the GFA continues to pump community funds into the coffers of the GAA. Tyrone is making full us of their divvy out and I think Armagh and Derry will make up ground in the near distant future as Sligo John, me oul' buddie would say.
Against that, Sligo and Leitrim have decided to go it alone. They'll be passing the bucket about at home games for a long while yet- taking the crumbs from the tables of a number of deserving charities in the process. Ye can wake me up when either of them can show that its development scheme is showing positive results.
BTW; welcome back, Barney.
Jaysus Lar that's awful shite talk. A Connacht Centre of Excellence in Bekan is as useful to Sligo and Leitrim county teams as a chocolate teapot. Sligo has to develop its own, no one will give us one. As for the craic about taking money from deserving charities - I'm surprised at a comment like that from you and very disappointed.
I agree with Mano. It's highly unlikely Sligo will agree to McHale, actually it's even more unlikely than that. Hyde Park will do. No attendance records are about to be broken. In the end Mayo will feel "wronged" even though nothing will have been done to slight them. It would suit them better to be good at the psychology in September....
I would be shocked and disappointed if Cyril and co give in here.
We shouldnt be influenced by a few schekels from prenty & co
Surely at this stage Markevicz is at a capacity that could cater for the crowd? There has been a lot of improvement work over the last 20 years. The stand is a bit of a disaster but would 20k not fit into the grounds? It would be a much better spectacle in a crowded Sligo than half empty Castlebar.
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Wow. That is some bargaining if it is true.
I suspect this shite is going to create a martyr complex in Sligo. If they dont want to go to Castlebar so be it. Better now to get it over and done with in the Hyde/Pearse even if it means both counties will lose out financially.
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 01:55:11 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Wow. That is some bargaining if it is true.
I suspect this shite is going to create a martyr complex in Sligo. If they dont want to go to Castlebar so be it. Better now to get it over and done with in the Hyde/Pearse even if it means both counties will lose out financially.
lets see how it plays out , if it suits the sligo county board better to play in castlebar then why shouldnt everyone benefit...
except for the rossies like ... ;)
The only reason it'll suit better is if the Sligo board is bought off and it'd take a very blinkered GAA supporter to not see what a terrible precedent that sets.
What Mayo defender will mark Marren?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2012, 04:12:10 PM
What Mayo defender will mark Marren?
Cafferkey probably. Why?
Good man farandeelin
How about marking Kelly?
Will it be Taylor and Mcmanus at midfield or will Mullen get the start?
Is O'hara back?
What's up with Coen?
Will Johny Davey make the starting lineup?
Where will it be played?
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 27, 2012, 04:53:16 PM
Good man farandeelin
How about marking Kelly?
Will it be Taylor and Mcmanus at midfield or will Mullen get the start?
Is O'hara back?
What's up with Coen?
Will Johny Davey make the starting lineup?
Where will it be played?
Will Aidan O Shea be fit?
Will Ronan McGarrity start?
Will Vaughan be Centre Back?
Will Richie Feeney start?
Who will mark Alan Cos?
Is Cillian O Connor a Centre Forward?
Are these my feet?
Quote from: TyrionLannister on June 27, 2012, 04:58:10 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on June 27, 2012, 04:53:16 PM
Good man farandeelin
How about marking Kelly?
Will it be Taylor and Mcmanus at midfield or will Mullen get the start?
Is O'hara back?
What's up with Coen?
Will Johny Davey make the starting lineup?
Where will it be played?
Will Aidan O Shea be fit?
Will Ronan McGarrity start?
Will Vaughan be Centre Back?
Will Richie Feeney start?
Who will mark Alan Cos?
Is Cillian O Connor a Centre Forward?
Are these my feet?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
They would still get a lot more than they would get out of anywhere elase. The game would bring a bigger attendance as well. Even 1000 paying adults extra is 20-25 grand. More gravy for everybody.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
One problem with the 1997 arrangement is that rather than both teams having equal say in the decision you have counties taking turns being in charge of the venue. If it's not the Hyde then the question will always linger about where the game would have been played if Sligo were the county taking the lead - there's every possibility that Mayo are telling them they're not happy that the Hyde satisfies their needs and that the only neutral venue available is Salthill, which would force Sligo's hand on a geographical level before talk of more tickets money even enters the equation.
Jesus I thought this was just a bit of craic when this thread started - surprised it has become such an issue.
Does the monies taken at the gate of a Connacht final not go to the Connacht Council?
Quote from: baoithe on June 27, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
Jesus I thought this was just a bit of craic when this thread started - surprised it has become such an issue.
Does the monies taken at the gate of a Connacht final not go to the Connacht Council?
the county hosting the final gets a cut of the gate
think its 10%
if this stunt is pulled by the Mayo county board and john prenty, I mean connacht council, it will make a mockery of democratic decisions made in the past.
I think the business people in Roscommon will be furious. Mayo gets enough tourists, Roscommon could do with the extra revenue as the county is on its knees economically
Also was the White elephant at the Leitrim game and ironic joke by Elverys?
(http://www.hoganstand.com/Common/NewGallery/mayo%20leitrim%20elephant.jpg)
Quote from: neilthemac on June 27, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: baoithe on June 27, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
Jesus I thought this was just a bit of craic when this thread started - surprised it has become such an issue.
Does the monies taken at the gate of a Connacht final not go to the Connacht Council?
the county hosting the final gets a cut of the gate
think its 10%
if this stunt is pulled by the Mayo county board and john prenty, I mean connacht council, it will make a mockery of democratic decisions made in the past.
I think the business people in Roscommon will be furious. Mayo gets enough tourists, Roscommon could do with the extra revenue as the county is on its knees economically
Leaving aside all that if its just a 10% cut of the gate and if Sligo are being induced with a 30%/50% cut of that Mayo are left with 5%/8% of the gate. It doesnt make sense. Unless the rules on the cut of the gate are being amended for this game.
As I understood it, the gate from even ordinary Connacht Championship games held in Markiewicz Park goes to the Connacht Council. I could be wrong as its just an assumption probably largely based on all the Connacht council heads taking the money! If I'm right though what is different about this final? I'm sure some of ye have a logical answer.
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
I'd agree with all of that. Right now, I think the onus is on the Sligo county board. If they want to go ahead with McHale as the venue, that's alright by me. If they want to use the Hyde, I have no objection either but it's high time a decision was made and that the teams are allowed to get on with their preparations without any unnecessary distractions.
The Mayo county board are not responsible for the mess we find ourselves in but one way or another the bitching and moaning from outside the county will be heard from all sides. The collective béal bocht will be big enough to drain the Shannon.
I'm not in favour of bribing Sligo in any form to come to Castlebar. The mere idea is abhorrent to me. It's akin to saying that they are prepared to lessen their team's chances of success in order to pick up a few handy bob. Judas and the thirty pieces of silver and all that oul' guff.
Either McHale is suitable or it ain't and if that's the case, let's all head for the sheep pen and put up with the consequences.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
I'd agree with all of that. Right now, I think the onus is on the Sligo county board. If they want to go ahead with McHale as the venue, that's alright by me. If they want to use the Hyde, I have no objection either but it's high time a decision was made and that the teams are allowed to get on with their preparations without any unnecessary distractions.
The Mayo county board are not responsible for the mess we find ourselves in but one way or another the bitching and moaning from outside the county will be heard from all sides. The collective béal bocht will be big enough to drain the Shannon.
I'm not in favour of bribing Sligo in any form to come to Castlebar. The mere idea is abhorrent to me. It's akin to saying that they are prepared to lessen their team's chances of success in order to pick up a few handy bob. Judas and the thirty pieces of silver and all that oul' guff.
Either McHale is suitable or it ain't and if that's the case, let's all head for the sheep pen and put up with the consequences.
Why is the onus on the Sligo County Board?
You're fairly on the ball with your maths there baoithe. Hosting county gets 10% of the gate I believe. That could be in the region of 60-70k. Even if the deal is struck that Sligo get roughly a third, that still leaves an amount of money that otherwise wouldn't have gone to Mayo GAA. In terms of loan repayments it's significant. There would also be ancillary revenues from shops inside the ground, maybe parking and booze sales in An Sportlann? I'm not sure who gets the benefit of these, it may well be Mayo GAA exclusively.
Its money that would otherwise go to Ros or Galway GAA, so why not take the opportunity to split it between the counties that have reached the final. That is, after all, effectively what happens when any two of Mayo, Ros and Galway meet in the final via the existing home and away agreements.
The other factor here is that a final in Castlebar will draw significantly more punters through the gate for this fixture than one in Hyde or Pearse. There were far more Mayo fans at a nothing game against Leitrim on Sunday than there were at the Connacht Final last year. Knowing this, the Connacht Council will want it in Castlebar as their share of the gate will be a lot more also. So, it all comes down to Sligo, the onus is on them, if they are happy with their cut the deal will surely be done.
Quote from: baoithe on June 27, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
I'd agree with all of that. Right now, I think the onus is on the Sligo county board. If they want to go ahead with McHale as the venue, that's alright by me. If they want to use the Hyde, I have no objection either but it's high time a decision was made and that the teams are allowed to get on with their preparations without any unnecessary distractions.
The Mayo county board are not responsible for the mess we find ourselves in but one way or another the bitching and moaning from outside the county will be heard from all sides. The collective béal bocht will be big enough to drain the Shannon.
I'm not in favour of bribing Sligo in any form to come to Castlebar. The mere idea is abhorrent to me. It's akin to saying that they are prepared to lessen their team's chances of success in order to pick up a few handy bob. Judas and the thirty pieces of silver and all that oul' guff.
Either McHale is suitable or it ain't and if that's the case, let's all head for the sheep pen and put up with the consequences.
Why is the onus on the Sligo County Board?
They can hold out for their neutral venue no matter how sugarcoated McHale Park becomes.
Speculation but I would say that the CC would be in a position to make a bigger cut in gate receipts than usual because they ll be factoring in a much bigger attendance for Castlebar. I have some sympathy for them. It s their big pay day and they want to make the most of it. Sligo board will just have to tell them f**k off and hold out for a neutral venue.
Wouldn't McHale park final mean a bigger attendance of Mayo fans than a bigger overall attendance?
Quote from: neilthemac on June 27, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
I think the business people in Roscommon will be furious. Mayo gets enough tourists, Roscommon could do with the extra revenue as the county is on its knees economically
Yes, I'd say that would be top of the priority list for the wealthy neighbours in Mayo and Sligo - no sign of recession around here ::)
I'd prefer not to have it in McHale Park as it will potentially cast a shadow on the game. Mayo CB should hang tough if they can, see who we'll be playing in the minors and make it an away game for them - it'll give us a slight advantage and I'd say we might need it!!
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2012, 10:08:05 PM
Wouldn't McHale park final mean a bigger attendance of Mayo fans than a bigger overall attendance?
It would mean both.
Castlebar probably handier for many in Sligo as well.
A few locals would attend if game in Hyde Park. But overall the attendance would be well down.
No locals for Pearse Stadium. The locals would be wonderin what was goin on? Attendance would be a disaster for CC.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
You're fairly on the ball with your maths there baoithe. Hosting county gets 10% of the gate I believe. That could be in the region of 60-70k. Even if the deal is struck that Sligo get roughly a third, that still leaves an amount of money that otherwise wouldn't have gone to Mayo GAA. In terms of loan repayments it's significant. There would also be ancillary revenues from shops inside the ground, maybe parking and booze sales in An Sportlann? I'm not sure who gets the benefit of these, it may well be Mayo GAA exclusively.
Its money that would otherwise go to Ros or Galway GAA, so why not take the opportunity to split it between the counties that have reached the final. That is, after all, effectively what happens when any two of Mayo, Ros and Galway meet in the final via the existing home and away agreements.
The other factor here is that a final in Castlebar will draw a significantly more punters through the gate for this fixture than one in Hyde or Pearse. There were far more Mayo fans at a nothing game against Leitrim on Sunday than there were at the Connacht Final last year. Knowing this, the Connacht Council will want it in Castlebar as their share of the gate will be a lot more also. So, it all comes down to Sligo, if they are happy with their cut the deal will surely be done.
Even if this match took in 600k (I;d have my doubts) and if Sligo are being offered one third or half of of Mayo's 10% cut amount it doesnt leave much for Mayo County Board from the 60k to 70k and frankly it is odd if that is the only reason that the match is switched to McHale Park. The ancillary revenue youre referring to really is irrelevant in terms of splitting between the competing counties (would never be taken into account re repayments of loans and difficult to ascertain in order to split). 30k is not worth getting out of bed for in the context of the redevelopment of McHale Park. It must cost that to stage the game although that probably comes out of the Connacht Council's cut.
Whether the 1997 agreement is just or otherwise, it was agreed by all counties presumably. Are we at the stage where agreements re fixtures are being set aside in order to enable Mayo to hold the game on their home turf or to contribute towards the repayment of development of McHale Park? I hope not. I think Cosmo is right in saying that there is more, financially, for the Connacht Council in holding it in McHale Park and that might be what is driving this issue. But as Seanie said, I dont expect any more than 8k from Sligo so I dont see why the Hyde doesn't suffice.
Ultimately the rumoured reasoning for not adhering to the 1997 agreement is:
(a) contributions towards the redevelopment of McHale Park;
(b) the geographical location of McHale Park; and
(c) the increased attendance that McHale Park can hold will be more favourable to Connacht Council revenues.
If Sligo County board is prepared to depart from the 1997 agreement I hope it is for (b) above rather than the other reasons. I have no problem switching it to castlebar, my problem will depend on the rationale for doing so. And if things transpire as rumoured on this thread it further underlines the problem we have with commitology in our province.
As an aside, it is abolutely not the case that everyone in our county "expects" as Moysider put it I think, that we will beat Mayo. There may be some bravado talk in a border town by west Sligo people in Ballina but we all know that Sligo would not put 4-20 past Leitrim in the Championship nor get to a Division 1 league final nor contest the semi-final of the All-Ireland. Béal bocht that may be but it's the reality.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 27, 2012, 10:11:41 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on June 27, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
I think the business people in Roscommon will be furious. Mayo gets enough tourists, Roscommon could do with the extra revenue as the county is on its knees economically
Yes, I'd say that would be top of the priority list for the wealthy neighbours in Mayo and Sligo - no sign of recession around here ::)
I'd prefer not to have it in McHale Park as it will potentially cast a shadow on the game. Mayo CB should hang tough if they can, see who we'll be playing in the minors and make it an away game for them - it'll give us a slight advantage and I'd say we might need it!!
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
I ve seen 17,000 mentioned and 20,000 somewhere else. ?? Probably big enough but again the CC would want to sell as many tickets as possible so....
But it is not a runner this time anyway because it is a 'home' tie for Mayo.
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 09:53:20 PM
Quote from: baoithe on June 27, 2012, 09:38:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 27, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on June 27, 2012, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 27, 2012, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 27, 2012, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 01:37:29 PM
Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
I'd agree with all of that. Right now, I think the onus is on the Sligo county board. If they want to go ahead with McHale as the venue, that's alright by me. If they want to use the Hyde, I have no objection either but it's high time a decision was made and that the teams are allowed to get on with their preparations without any unnecessary distractions.
The Mayo county board are not responsible for the mess we find ourselves in but one way or another the bitching and moaning from outside the county will be heard from all sides. The collective béal bocht will be big enough to drain the Shannon.
I'm not in favour of bribing Sligo in any form to come to Castlebar. The mere idea is abhorrent to me. It's akin to saying that they are prepared to lessen their team's chances of success in order to pick up a few handy bob. Judas and the thirty pieces of silver and all that oul' guff.
Either McHale is suitable or it ain't and if that's the case, let's all head for the sheep pen and put up with the consequences.
Why is the onus on the Sligo County Board?
They can hold out for their neutral venue no matter how sugarcoated McHale Park becomes.
Speculation but I would say that the CC would be in a position to make a bigger cut in gate receipts than usual because they ll be factoring in a much bigger attendance for Castlebar. I have some sympathy for them. It s their big pay day and they want to make the most of it. Sligo board will just have to tell them f**k off and hold out for a neutral venue.
You're surmising Sligo County Board actually have a choice. Ultimately this entire thread has been conjecture but if events transpire as rumoured, Connacht GAA have alot to answer for.
I would say there are also reasons:
d) The two grounds that would have been considered suitable back in 1997 as neutral venues have fallen into various states of disrepair - Tuam completely sub-standard and Roscommon heading that way and potentially no longer having the required capacity and;
e) It is more financially advantageous to Sligo to play this particular game in Castlebar.
Pearse stadium is not a suitable neutral venue in Connacht for anything so, with Tuam in bits, the issue of the state of Hyde Park now needs to be looked at. If there is no sign of Hyde going back to a 30k capacity then the 97 agreement is finished. If the Hyde issue is short term, any alteration this year is more likely to be a one off.
Ah Cosmo, the source of all unbiased Roscommon information.
The Hyde is no piece of engineering magic but the work that had to be done on it was minimal and you can be sure the Hyde will host many a Connacht final in the future.
Has that been confirmed anywhere Syferus? Given that the official reason for postponing the decision was to get exact capacity details for the different grounds, maybe we'll get an answer tomorrow. From my personal experience though (and I accept that I haven't set foot in the place since last years Connacht Final) the stadium really needs some investment if it is to continue to host 30k crowds longer term.
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Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
I'd agree with all of that. Right now, I think the onus is on the Sligo county board. If they want to go ahead with McHale as the venue, that's alright by me. If they want to use the Hyde, I have no objection either but it's high time a decision was made and that the teams are allowed to get on with their preparations without any unnecessary distractions.
The Mayo county board are not responsible for the mess we find ourselves in but one way or another the bitching and moaning from outside the county will be heard from all sides. The collective béal bocht will be big enough to drain the Shannon.
I'm not in favour of bribing Sligo in any form to come to Castlebar. The mere idea is abhorrent to me. It's akin to saying that they are prepared to lessen their team's chances of success in order to pick up a few handy bob. Judas and the thirty pieces of silver and all that oul' guff.
Either McHale is suitable or it ain't and if that's the case, let's all head for the sheep pen and put up with the consequences.
Why is the onus on the Sligo County Board?
Because they appear to be seriously considering playing the game in Castlebar in return for an increased share of the takings.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
I would say there are also reasons:
d) The two grounds that would have been considered suitable back in 1997 as neutral venues have fallen into various states of disrepair - Tuam completely sub-standard and Roscommon heading that way and potentially no longer having the required capacity and;
e) It is more financially advantageous to Sligo to play this particular game in Castlebar.
Pearse stadium is not a suitable neutral venue in Connacht for anything so, with Tuam in bits, the issue of the state of Hyde Park now needs to be looked at. If there is no sign of Hyde going back to a 30k capacity then the 97 agreement is finished. If the Hyde issue is short term, any alteration this year is more likely to be a one off.
(d) not a valid reason. As I understand it if Sligo and/or Leitrim are in a final a neutral venue applies as neither have a ground capable of holding a connacht final. Therefore the agreement is not concerned with the specific ground as long as that complies with the requirements to hold a connacht final. Therefore Castlebar, Pearse and Hyde park suffice.
(e) I wouldn't rule it out but I sincerely hope not. We'll never know either way.
You can add as many reasons as you like for changing the venue to McHale Park but ultimately an agreement must be broken to do so.
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What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Here are the figures for all 5 Connacht grounds quoted from that report late last year:
Pearse Stadium Galway 33,000 down to 26,197
Mc Hale Park Castlebar 36,764 down to 28,187
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada Carrick on Shannon 15,000 down to 9,331
Markievicz Park Sligo 18,780 down to 13,801
Dr Hyde Park 33,612 down to 18,890
Now it's unclear which counties have rectified the issues raised and restored their capacities. Maybe we will be told this week. There are quotes from Roscommon officials from late last year saying that they could only afford to fix some of the issues raised in the report and would have to see if that would be sufficient to satisfy the Health and Safety crew.
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Quote from: macdanger2
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Here are the figures for all 5 Connacht grounds quoted from that report late last year:
Pearse Stadium Galway 33,000 down to 26,197
Mc Hale Park Castlebar 36,764 down to 28,187
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada Carrick on Shannon 15,000 down to 9,331
Markievicz Park Sligo 18,780 down to 13,801
Dr Hyde Park 33,612 down to 18,890
Now it's unclear which counties have rectified the issues raised and restored their capacities. Maybe we will be told this week. There are quotes from Roscommon officials from late last year saying that they could only afford to fix some of the issues raised in the report and would have to see if that would be sufficient to satisfy the Health and Safety crew.
Yes like this one from Roscommon County board secretary Brian Stenson in November.
"The plan is there to rectify the issues which have been highlighted in the Slattery report. We can get the capacity back up to 30,000 with proper efforts. It will take a few years to do all the work as the finance isn't there to do it in one shot but we can reach a capacity of 25,000 handily enough and that would accommodate most Connacht finals."
Thanks Ross4Life, I guess the question with regard to the Hyde then is has this work been carried out?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 11:40:13 PM
Thanks Ross4Life, I guess the question with regard to the Hyde then is has this work been carried out?
I didn't see much done & the terrace at the graveyard end was blocked off with tape during the Galway game. Has been ongoing ownership issues with the ground so i'm not sure is the funds there to cover the costs of repair so looks very doubtful Hyde park will be chosen but we'll see tomorrow evening.
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2012, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Here are the figures for all 5 Connacht grounds quoted from that report late last year:
Pearse Stadium Galway 33,000 down to 26,197
Mc Hale Park Castlebar 36,764 down to 28,187
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada Carrick on Shannon 15,000 down to 9,331
Markievicz Park Sligo 18,780 down to 13,801
Dr Hyde Park 33,612 down to 18,890
Now it's unclear which counties have rectified the issues raised and restored their capacities. Maybe we will be told this week. There are quotes from Roscommon officials from late last year saying that they could only afford to fix some of the issues raised in the report and would have to see if that would be sufficient to satisfy the Health and Safety crew.
Yes like this one from Roscommon County board secretary Brian Stenson in November.
"The plan is there to rectify the issues which have been highlighted in the Slattery report. We can get the capacity back up to 30,000 with proper efforts. It will take a few years to do all the work as the finance isn't there to do it in one shot but we can reach a capacity of 25,000 handily enough and that would accommodate most Connacht finals."
Didn't he also say ownership of Hyde has to be resolved first. That dispute has been going on since 2007 between county board, Ros Gaels, the Hyde Park Trustees and the committee which the GAA setup to resolve it and includes Mr. Prenty. Was that resolved as they said it would be this year or is that playing on in the background too?
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Have heard a story that, depending on the attendance, Sligo would be in line to receive between 30 and 50% of Mayo GAAs take from hosting the fixture and they wouldn't have to even turn a key in a gate to get it. That must be tempting for the Sligo board against the Hyde/Pearse alternative of not getting a penny and still not getting the game at home. This could go either way.
Why would the Mayo Board want the game in Castlebar if they're going to give away so much of the gate?
If they can get it every team would want a home game.
It s a once off. Mayo s turn to play Sligo at home but an arrangement means finals involving Sligo played at a neutral venue. But the obvious venue - Hyde Park - seems to be considered not up to hosting this for reason/s not clear to me. If the Hyde is out then the only alternative is Pearse stadium in Galway - which is the nightmare scenario even though it might appear fairer than playing it in Castlebar.
For the Connacht Council money raises its ugly head as well. This was properly not fully thought out when the arrangement was made back in 1997. A lot has changed since. Back then Tuam was in the equation as a neutral venue. Whatever about its capacity the pitch itself seems to have issues like astroturf penalty areas. Simply means a match in Pearse Stadium could cost the CC at least 100,000 bucks and maybe a lot more.
At this stage though, I d like the whole thing to be above board and transparent as possible so hopefully the Hyde can be sorted out and play it there. Otherwise we ll never hear the end of it no matter what deal is struck.
I'd agree with all of that. Right now, I think the onus is on the Sligo county board. If they want to go ahead with McHale as the venue, that's alright by me. If they want to use the Hyde, I have no objection either but it's high time a decision was made and that the teams are allowed to get on with their preparations without any unnecessary distractions.
The Mayo county board are not responsible for the mess we find ourselves in but one way or another the bitching and moaning from outside the county will be heard from all sides. The collective béal bocht will be big enough to drain the Shannon.
I'm not in favour of bribing Sligo in any form to come to Castlebar. The mere idea is abhorrent to me. It's akin to saying that they are prepared to lessen their team's chances of success in order to pick up a few handy bob. Judas and the thirty pieces of silver and all that oul' guff.
Either McHale is suitable or it ain't and if that's the case, let's all head for the sheep pen and put up with the consequences.
Why is the onus on the Sligo County Board?
Because they appear to be seriously considering playing the game in Castlebar in return for an increased share of the takings.
Says who? You're surmising. I'm not saying you're wrong but this is all rumour. If I were to engage in rumour, from a Sligo point of view, does 30k amount to a sufficient remuneration for switching the venue to Castlebar? I would sincerely hope not.
I would say that we are all surmising and I think that's obvious since the topic turned to this issue.
My central point has been that, once a venue has been decided, the game should go ahead without financial inducements being offered to anybody.
If Sligo agree to the final being staged in Castlebar, the game should go ahead and both teams should be able to continue their preparations with the minimum of fuss.
If the Hyde is selected, then so be it.
In the event of McHale Park being the venue, I wouldn't agree with Mayo being obliged to bribe Sligo into coming to Castlebar.
I'm in full agreement with moysider. (reply #104)
So where does all the money from the final go?
If the bome team gets 10% where does the rest go? And bow is it spent?
Im sure the connACHT council and some county boards are following this tbread and are not too happy about the focus on how money is distributed but if they bend the rules then we should ask the hard questions
I'd hope to God they're reading because if this plays out anywhere along the lines above they've just placed a price-tag on Connacht finals and shown no regard at all for neutrality.
The 10% is what the county hosting the final gets, so if that county is playing in the final it goes to them anyways but if it's, say, Roscommon we get that cut for the use of the ground. A Castlebar final is a nice and cosy way for Mayo to pack more people in, get a dual home final (the knock-on implications of that also effect the winners of the Galway-Roscommon minor semi this weekend as they'll have to travel to a bear-pit in Castlebar when the final shouldn't even be in Mayo), service their debt and give a nice kick-back to the Sligo board for being 'accommodating'.
If image ever mattered to the Connacht Council it sure as hell better right now. It's utterly amazing that the nationals haven't even bothered to investigate the issue even after the almost unprecedented non-decision of the selection committee on Monday night. A bit of media pressure might force a higher standard of practice from all involved.
all agreement lapse at some point and it definetly looks like event have overtaken this concord. if roscommona are no longer able to keep up their end of the deal then sligo have a choice , Hold on to the remnats of the agreement and go to salthill or cop themselves on and go to castlebar
Castlebar would be the handiest for both teams
it would attract the biggest crowd ,
it has the best facilities on and off the Pitch.
It would be the main event in the town for the day in salthill it would be an inconvience
your not taking your life in your hands going there
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Here are the figures for all 5 Connacht grounds quoted from that report late last year:
Pearse Stadium Galway 33,000 down to 26,197
Mc Hale Park Castlebar 36,764 down to 28,187
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada Carrick on Shannon 15,000 down to 9,331
Markievicz Park Sligo 18,780 down to 13,801
Dr Hyde Park 33,612 down to 18,890
Now it's unclear which counties have rectified the issues raised and restored their capacities. Maybe we will be told this week. There are quotes from Roscommon officials from late last year saying that they could only afford to fix some of the issues raised in the report and would have to see if that would be sufficient to satisfy the Health and Safety crew.
This whole debate is priceless. The rossies up in arms about the location of a fixture which has nothing to do with them. Looking at the capacity of the hyde it cannot stage the fixture. Simple as that. The only grounds big enough to hold the game is castlebar or salthill. The only debate here is should sligo force themselves and mayo to salthill for the match. I don't mind either way as the agreement is in place but I do think it makes no sense dragging everyone to salthill.
This should have been looked at whenever these new ground capacity figures were released. Could the CC not see this arising back then. It time to examine the whole agreement again and to make the decision that all finals should be held in the one ground capable of holding them. Ie castlebar This arrangement is not a problem in leinster or ulster.
Its pointless wasting more money on the Hyde. Despite all that was spent on it over the years here we are 3 weeks before a connacht final not knowing where it stands.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 28, 2012, 10:02:46 AM
all agreement lapse at some point and it definetly looks like event have overtaken this concord. if roscommona are no longer able to keep up their end of the deal then sligo have a choice , Hold on to the remnats of the agreement and go to salthill or cop themselves on and go to castlebar
Castlebar would be the handiest for both teams
it would attract the biggest crowd ,
it has the best facilities on and off the Pitch.
It would be the main event in the town for the day in salthill it would be an inconvience
your not taking your life in your hands going there
Facilites and ease of access don't come into it. The central point is having the game in Castlebar gives Mayo home advantage when it should be neutral as per the agreement.
If the Hyde doesn't have the capacity to host the connacht final then it would make most sense for it to be in Castlebar as it is more convenient than salthill and it has a larger capacity. And even though it would be a home game for Mayo here's some source of optomism for Sligo fans:
2011 Connacht final Mayo 13-11 Roscommon Dr. Hyde Park
2010 Connacht final Roscommon 14-13 Sligo McHale park(Sligo designated home team)
2009 Connacht final Mayo 2-12 - 1-14 Galway Pearse Stadium
2008 Connacht final Galway 2-12 - 1-14 Mayo McHale park
Quote from: criostlinn on June 28, 2012, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Here are the figures for all 5 Connacht grounds quoted from that report late last year:
Pearse Stadium Galway 33,000 down to 26,197
Mc Hale Park Castlebar 36,764 down to 28,187
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada Carrick on Shannon 15,000 down to 9,331
Markievicz Park Sligo 18,780 down to 13,801
Dr Hyde Park 33,612 down to 18,890
Now it's unclear which counties have rectified the issues raised and restored their capacities. Maybe we will be told this week. There are quotes from Roscommon officials from late last year saying that they could only afford to fix some of the issues raised in the report and would have to see if that would be sufficient to satisfy the Health and Safety crew.
This whole debate is priceless. The rossies up in arms about the location of a fixture which has nothing to do with them. Looking at the capacity of the hyde it cannot stage the fixture. Simple as that. The only grounds big enough to hold the game is castlebar or salthill. The only debate here is should sligo force themselves and mayo to salthill for the match. I don't mind either way as the agreement is in place but I do think it makes no sense dragging everyone to salthill.
This should have been looked at whenever these new ground capacity figures were released. Could the CC not see this arising back then. It time to examine the whole agreement again and to make the decision that all finals should be held in the one ground capable of holding them. Ie castlebar This arrangement is not a problem in leinster or ulster.
Its pointless wasting more money on the Hyde. Despite all that was spent on it over the years here we are 3 weeks before a connacht final not knowing where it stands.
Insanity. It effects all of Connacht, it effects businesses in Roscommon town and it could well force our minor team to wrongly have to play an away Connacht final in Castlebar against Mayo.
Way to show blinkered arrogance of the highest order.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
Pearse stadium is not a suitable neutral venue in Connacht for anything
Going by the logic on this thread every Connacht final from now on will have to be played in Castlebar. Markievicz Park is too small, Tuam and Hyde are too run down, Salthill is too far to go to.
There were plenty of Sligo fans in Salthill for the semi-final. I doubt they would have too much problem traveling there for a Connacht final if they had to. It's not like they are in Connacht finals every year. And sure half of Mayo lives in Galway so there would be plenty of them there too. Now ideally this game would be in the Hyde but going to Salthill for a one-off game while not ideal is hardly like decamping to Afghanistan for a tour of duty.
Lads can't believe ye are falling for the spin hook, line and sinker.
This decision isn't about venue capacity except for the fact that Sligo isn't accepted as a final venue.
Unfortunately we here in Mayo are in deep in the manure with our finances and this is about getting as much money as possible to throw into the debt. I'd prefer the game in Castlebar but everything here is about the pressure being put on Sligo. The Hyde capacity issue is a smokescreen to go to Galway or take the money and go to Castlebar. Big Kev would not agree to anything but the neutral venue.
So Sligo lads don't blame the Mayos. If we come out on top of this battle blame your county board. I'd be furious if our lads sold out if the shoe was on the other foot.
And whether the game is in Castlebar, Salthill or Ros the real supporters will be there. If you don't go to a match because you might be delayed in a traffic jam for a couple of hours how interested are you really?
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Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 10:49:53 PM
Pearse stadium is not a suitable neutral venue in Connacht for anything
Going by the logic on this thread every Connacht final from now on will have to be played in Castlebar. Markievicz Park is too small, Tuam and Hyde are too run down, Salthill is too far to go to.
There were plenty of Sligo fans in Salthill for the semi-final. I doubt they would have too much problem traveling there for a Connacht final if they had to. It's not like they are in Connacht finals every year. And sure half of Mayo lives in Galway so there would be plenty of them there too. Now ideally this game would be in the Hyde but going to Salthill for a one-off game while not ideal is hardly like decamping to Afghanistan for a tour of duty.
There might be plenty but hardly enough. At the end of the day the CC will want to bring in as much revenue as they can from the event. That s the bottom line for them.
If it about fairness and honouring the 97 arrangement then ticket sales will be limited to Hyde capacity and play the game there. That would still mean more numbers than a Salthill venue imo. Would people be happy with the CC taking a hit? Or maybe hiking up prices to compensate. With Ros and Galway gone early I d expect attendances to be well down in Connacht this year anyway. Income is a serious consideration.
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Quote from: rosnarun on June 28, 2012, 10:02:46 AM
all agreement lapse at some point and it definetly looks like event have overtaken this concord. if roscommona are no longer able to keep up their end of the deal then sligo have a choice , Hold on to the remnats of the agreement and go to salthill or cop themselves on and go to castlebar
Castlebar would be the handiest for both teams
it would attract the biggest crowd ,
it has the best facilities on and off the Pitch.
It would be the main event in the town for the day in salthill it would be an inconvience
your not taking your life in your hands going there
Facilites and ease of access don't come into it. The central point is having the game in Castlebar gives Mayo home advantage when it should be neutral as per the agreement.
I'd fully agree with you but for the fact that there appears to be no practical alternative to Castlebar. Going to Salthill would be impractical and there's no sign that the Hyde will be ready in time.
All the conjecturing is likely to upset both teams as they get ready for the game and, all in all, you'd think we were watching a Fawlty Towers episode. If there's no place other than McHale Park that is suitable then the terms of the agreement have to be broken. I can see no other way out unless venues outside Connacht are looked at and I don't think that's a runner either.
If it has to stay in Connaught it's probably too late to suggest London?
They could have played it in Wembley and it would have been a great advertisment for the game. The English lads and Irish lads who support English teams have a lull now between the soccer stuff; guranteed full house.
Mate!
Quote from: Syferus on June 28, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: criostlinn on June 28, 2012, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2012, 11:33:38 PM
Quote from: macdanger2
What is the capacity of Markievicz park anyway?
Here are the figures for all 5 Connacht grounds quoted from that report late last year:
Pearse Stadium Galway 33,000 down to 26,197
Mc Hale Park Castlebar 36,764 down to 28,187
Pairc Sean Mac Diarmada Carrick on Shannon 15,000 down to 9,331
Markievicz Park Sligo 18,780 down to 13,801
Dr Hyde Park 33,612 down to 18,890
Now it's unclear which counties have rectified the issues raised and restored their capacities. Maybe we will be told this week. There are quotes from Roscommon officials from late last year saying that they could only afford to fix some of the issues raised in the report and would have to see if that would be sufficient to satisfy the Health and Safety crew.
This whole debate is priceless. The rossies up in arms about the location of a fixture which has nothing to do with them. Looking at the capacity of the hyde it cannot stage the fixture. Simple as that. The only grounds big enough to hold the game is castlebar or salthill. The only debate here is should sligo force themselves and mayo to salthill for the match. I don't mind either way as the agreement is in place but I do think it makes no sense dragging everyone to salthill.
This should have been looked at whenever these new ground capacity figures were released. Could the CC not see this arising back then. It time to examine the whole agreement again and to make the decision that all finals should be held in the one ground capable of holding them. Ie castlebar This arrangement is not a problem in leinster or ulster.
Its pointless wasting more money on the Hyde. Despite all that was spent on it over the years here we are 3 weeks before a connacht final not knowing where it stands.
Insanity. It effects all of Connacht, it effects businesses in Roscommon town and it could well force our minor team to wrongly have to play an away Connacht final in Castlebar against Mayo.
Way to show blinkered arrogance of the highest order.
Not blinkered arrogance. If Hyde park isn't big enough to stage the match it has noth ing to do with Roscommon. Simple as that. Same reason as the game can't be played in carrick or sligo. Are you really trying to say now that because the minors might get to the final that we should limit the numbers at the senior game to facilitate them. Look if the Hyde is big enough the game will be played in roscommon and all this Is a non Issue.
If it ain't big enough and sligo insist, the game will be in galway and to hell with common sense. I think what we need to do in Mayo is declare Ballina as the county ground and castlebar as neutral. It works fine for the dubs.
The only real shame in all this is that roscommon weren't due to stage the final. Then we would see some real flapping from the rossies
FFS lads-if the two main participating teams come to an arrangement that suits the suits, to coin a phrase, It'll be done without a thought to the teams or their managers never mind the supporters. It's not arrogance on anyone's part, just the way things are done.
Spare us the beal bocht about about businesses in Roscommon losing out, about as relevant as discussing the technicalities of a Greek bond default.
Any chance of a bit of football talk, I'm gearing up for a trip home and this will be my first Connacht final in 8 years (I think), caught Sligo against Galway on Setanta and they're in great nick, Mayo should demand this game is played at a neutral venue, all this crap is playing into the hands of a dangerous opposition.
This is many times more pertinent than 'football' talk at this point and it's telling only Mayo supporters are the ones trying to shift the spotlight off the venue. It's one thing supporting your county, another to support them in what is appearing to be a purchase of a home Connacht final.
Quote from: Syferus on June 28, 2012, 03:17:25 PM
This is many times more pertinent than 'football' talk at this point and it's telling only Mayo supporters are the ones trying to shift the spotlight off the venue. It's one thing supporting your county, another to support them in what is appearing to be a purchase of a home Connacht final.
I disagree. Sleevenism within the GAA is not confined within county borders, if the shoe was on the other foot it would be a similair argument in reverse.
The 'purchase' of a home county final seems pretty disingenuous, as above, revenues will be maximized by those who make the decisions, for one reason only, to maximize revenues. Conspiracy theories are only entertained by the ignorant.
Agree. While initially I would have liked to see the game played in Castlebar, not any more. Anything that might give the Sligo folk a sense of injustice and motivate the team to sew it into us is best avoided.
The fact that any decision will be nothing to do with players and supporters and will be done purely from a revenue perspective will not be factored in by Sligo people I would imagine. Here s hoping they limited ticket numbers and play it in the Hyde. They can limit the financial hit by doing away with concessionary, OAP and juvenile tickets for this one.
QuoteI think what we need to do in Mayo is declare Ballina as the county ground and castlebar as neutral. It works fine for the dubs.
at last a bit of genius, how could we have been so blind.
what ever the decision after tonight . its gonna be an anticlimax i havent seen as long a thread of bickering on this board since way back when Armagh and Tyrone were relevant
Hyde park selected for the final i'm hearing, the capacity will be 25,000.
Mayo GAA twitter confirm its the Hyde. Hope everyone is happy this saga is over and we can start talking about football!
Great to see common sense and respect for the rules won out. The Hyde is the perfect size for the finals and if our minors make it to the Connacht final you can add an extra few thousand to the attendence. In that situation I could see the attendence verging on the capacity.
All we need now is for Sligo to win it :P really piss off the Prenty Council.
Good stuff - the Hyde far handier than Salthill.
I'm not spending a dime in Roscommon though ;D
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
Good stuff - the Hyde far handier than Salthill.
I'm not spending a dime in Roscommon though ;D
Me neither but as a matter of principle I'll go spend a penny and that's about the height of it. ;D
Exactly, whatever you need to get, buy it in Mayo......pick up a few sambos in Ballaghadreen
Shocking amount of shite talk about the venue. Get over it...
The two O'shea's in the next day. Aidan at 11 and Seamus at 9.
Id have dillon freeman and o'connor in full forward line. Dillon and Andy should be interchangeable. Dillon can get 4/5 points from play as a finisher -looping around from corner forward position. Andy workrate is needed around middle in first half of any game and then there is the option of moving into full forward line.
Barry Aidan and Seamus would be formidable around midfield - should give plenty of cover to allow Vaughan, Boyle/Feeney and keegan attack.
(keegan has come on massively - have no fear of him being our 6 for years if Vaughan goes to midfield/wing.)
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
Good stuff - the Hyde far handier than Salthill.
I'm not spending a dime in Roscommon though ;D
;D ;D +1. Think I ll leave the kids at home as well in case they want to buy ice cream or a coke.
Pleased it has worked out this way even though it is a good day out ruined. Otherwise the martyrdom complex from our neighbours would have been unbearable.
Hopefully we can beat them in the Hyde and welcome them to the San Sero in a first round or semi next year.
Now, what to talk about for the next 2 weeks until the teams are named.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
Exactly, whatever you need to get, buy it in Mayo......pick up a few sambos in Ballaghadreen
Need to brush up on the oul' geography buckeen. :P and the spelling :-* Ballaghadereen ( Bealach A' Doirín ) :-*
Now that it's officially confirmed Andy Moran has the opportunity to become the first Roscommon man captain since Fergal O'Donnell to lift the J.J. Nestor Cup in Hyde park. Of course i would prefer if he did it with his own county so Sligo you know what to do ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
Exactly, whatever you need to get, buy it in Mayo......pick up a few sambos in Ballaghadreen
Need to brush up on the oul' geography buckeen. :P and the spelling :-* Ballaghadereen ( Bealach A' Doirín ) :-*
With all the Green & Red flags that will be flying there on Sunday two weeks sure it'll feel like the town was never usurped!!
Apologies for the spelling though
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
With all the Green & Red flags that will be flying there on Sunday two weeks sure it'll feel like the town was never usurped!!
Hopefully it will be Sligo flags flying that day.
The gloryhunting inbreds who insist on living in Ballagh only put up their rhubarb flags if Mayowestros win ;)
Meanwhile the devotees of the true faith in Ballagh will hold their noses all day till the last MO car has gone beyond their lovely Roscommon town.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2012, 10:17:52 PM
Exactly, whatever you need to get, buy it in Mayo......pick up a few sambos in Ballaghadreen
Need to brush up on the oul' geography buckeen. :P and the spelling :-* Ballaghadereen ( Bealach A' Doirín ) :-*
Ballaghaderreen. ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
Meanwhile the devotees of the true faith in Ballagh will hold their noses all day till the last MO car has gone beyond their lovely Roscommon town.
I might stop for a while in the town so!!
Quote from: Rossfan on June 28, 2012, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
With all the Green & Red flags that will be flying there on Sunday two weeks sure it'll feel like the town was never usurped!!
Hopefully it will be Sligo flags flying that day.
The gloryhunting inbreds who insist on living in Ballagh only put up their rhubarb flags if Mayowestros win ;)
Meanwhile the devotees of the true faith in Ballagh will hold their noses all day till the last MO car has gone beyond their lovely Roscommon town.
So much for Roscommon being a neutral venue ::)
And it should be a home tie for us. That 97 agreement needs to be reviewed and Sligo CB told to get their act together with regards to their capacity in Mark Park and forget about neutral away finals.
With clubs and schools in the county scrimping to keep going the fact that no revenue is going to come out of this is going to leave a sour note. I expect a backlash at grassroots level when clubs are asked to sell board tickets again. Meanwhile Hyde will get at least 3 big championship games this year - 1 of which should be ours. Go figure.
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
If it has to stay in Connaught it's probably too late to suggest London?
They could have played it in Wembley and it would have been a great advertisment for the game. The English lads and Irish lads who support English teams have a lull now between the soccer stuff; guranteed full house.
Mate!
The most sensible suggestion on this whole thread mate. Hard luck Highorlow - a prophet is never recognized in his own village.
Glad it's the Hyde if it can't be Wembley. Puts all the blather to bed.
If Sligo win we get a sweet and historic victory and if Mayo win the proud Gael from Ballaghaddreen, Roscommon will get to lift the cup at home. If our minors are there and get to beat Mayo out of the blocks then that'll be the massive cherry on the cake.
Remember that 10% of your ticket price goes straight to our coffers, lads!
Sure 'tis another banner day for Roscommon engineering ;(
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 28, 2012, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
If it has to stay in Connaught it's probably too late to suggest London?
They could have played it in Wembley and it would have been a great advertisment for the game. The English lads and Irish lads who support English teams have a lull now between the soccer stuff; guranteed full house.
Mate!
The most sensible suggestion on this whole thread mate. Hard luck Highorlow - a prophet is never recognized in his own village.
Glad it's the Hyde if it can't be Wembley. Puts all the blather to bed.
It might but it is not satisfactory either. This might appear to be about football and fairness but it isn t. It is all about money. See Syferus's post above. The concern of the other Rossies on here when they thought they might lose the gig.
How many Mayo posters on here are 'forced' to buy these 100 euro tickets for board each year, or worse still, forced to sell them and get hunted like they will deffo after this mess. And raffle tickets at 10 euro a go to win a weanling bull. Never won that weanling yet. Look at that Syferus post again and compare it to his bleating earlier and realise we have all been sold a pup. Rossies are already celebrating a victory of sorts. Good luck to them.
Aww lads, there there! This was the logical choice from day one but we had to go through an epic full of twists, turns, back-stabbing and intrigue to get to that choice. I know it's tough losing (ok we usually win so I'm not really sure what losing feels like anymore) but if ye lose you can always blame the Hyde officials for letting the grass grow a bit extra etc, etc. :-*
The next 13 pages to talk about the referee or which colour Mayo will choose to play in?
The Ref has already been decided. Marty Duffy/ Michael Duffy has not been givin the gig which will be a great disappointment to some I m sure.
Quote from: Syferus on June 29, 2012, 01:31:32 AM
Aww lads, there there! This was the logical choice from day one but we had to go through an epic full of twists, turns, back-stabbing and intrigue to get to that choice. I know it's tough losing (ok we usually win so I'm not really sure what losing feels like anymore) but if ye lose you can always blame the Hyde officials for letting the grass grow a bit extra etc, etc. :-*
Now I know why Roscommon were so shite the last day agin Galway.
Quote from: moysider on June 28, 2012, 10:26:57 PM
Quote from: stephenite on June 28, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
Good stuff - the Hyde far handier than Salthill.
I'm not spending a dime in Roscommon though ;D
;D ;D +1. Think I ll leave the kids at home as well in case they want to buy ice cream or a coke.
Pleased it has worked out this way even though it is a good day out ruined. Otherwise the martyrdom complex from our neighbours would have been unbearable.
Hopefully we can beat them in the Hyde and welcome them to the San Sero in a first round or semi next year.
Now, what to talk about for the next 2 weeks until the teams are named.
I wouldnt buy a Mars Bar in the place either.
Its a pity, a big gang of us Lannister's was booking a hotel in Galway and making a weekend out of it, that's all fecked now.
The real reason the Sheep Stealers want the game in the Hyde is to have a free lesson in football in their back garden, I guess we will have to show them.
Quote from: moysider on June 29, 2012, 01:14:41 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 28, 2012, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 28, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
If it has to stay in Connaught it's probably too late to suggest London?
They could have played it in Wembley and it would have been a great advertisment for the game. The English lads and Irish lads who support English teams have a lull now between the soccer stuff; guranteed full house.
Mate!
The most sensible suggestion on this whole thread mate. Hard luck Highorlow - a prophet is never recognized in his own village.
Glad it's the Hyde if it can't be Wembley. Puts all the blather to bed.
It might but it is not satisfactory either. This might appear to be about football and fairness but it isn t. It is all about money. See Syferus's post above. The concern of the other Rossies on here when they thought they might lose the gig.
How many Mayo posters on here are 'forced' to buy these 100 euro tickets for board each year, or worse still, forced to sell them and get hunted like they will deffo after this mess. And raffle tickets at 10 euro a go to win a weanling bull. Never won that weanling yet. Look at that Syferus post again and compare it to his bleating earlier and realise we have all been sold a pup. Rossies are already celebrating a victory of sorts. Good luck to them.
And it should be a home tie for us. That 97 agreement needs to be reviewed and Sligo CB told to get their act together with regards to their capacity in Mark Park and forget about neutral away finals.
Sure one proposed reason for holding it in Castlebar was that Mayo County Board had a millstone of debt around its neck on foot of refurbishing a stadium that is full to capacity on the rarest of occasions. The scale of the project was idiotic and if anything it is the Mayo County board that should get its act together and act in the interest of Gaelic Games in their county rather than these pie in the sky projects they come up with.
Like all counties we have plenty to complain about when it comes to our administrators but I certainly would not want them "to get their act together" as you put it, to increase the capacity of Markiewicz Park for the sole possibility of holding a Connacht Final once or twice a decade. Planning restrictions aside, the only reason why Markiewicz should ever have its capacity increased would be because it is full on a regular-ish basis. It never is. Even the Galway and Mayo games in 2010, although close to it, were not capacity crowds.
The extent of the refurb of McHale Park and the location of the so-called "Connacht" centre of excellence smack of legacies or monuments of dictators you find in Italy and Greece.
The Hyde it is then - fair enough, anywhere but Salthill was the main thing, Castlebar was only ever going to come into play if the Hyde was deemed unfit for purpose. 25k will be plenty of space as far less Mayos will travel than would if it was Castlebar. The Connacht Council will lose out, but it shows that Prenty isn't the stroke pulling conman that Mayo bashers on here like to portray him as.
The crowd won't break 20,000 unless the Ros minors qualify. If they do make it, hopefully their fans will behave themselves better this year. Although, with the seniors out, the yob element that were in attendance last year might not show up.
Jaysus Cos, just because this whole trek ended up being one giant troll of Mayo nationalists doesn't mean you need to starting trying to mash the 'wind-up' keys!
Quote from: Syferus on June 29, 2012, 11:14:07 AM
Jaysus Cos, just because this whole trek ended up being one giant troll of Mayo nationalists doesn't mean you need to trying to mash the 'wind-up' keys!
Arra, would ya get up the yard, would ya!
There has been more hot air spouted by you Rossies than by the Mayo and Sligo posters put together and ye not having a donkey in this particular derby at all. ;D
And don't bother me with guff about the minors either. The fuss all along was about the senior game. Castlebar would never have entered the picture if only ye could have guaranteed that ye'd get the sheep off the bloody pitch in time for the game.
The Ros-mageddon is on - ye Sligo boys better snap up your tickets or else your dear hosts will be snapping them up ;)
There will be one hell of a buzz around the Hyde now, our support was great in Tuam and after that sort of a game the band wagon is only going to swell, nevermind the sweet bonus of having back-to-back home Connacht finals. 'Tis a lovely day to be a Rossie.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
The Ros-mageddon is on - ye Sligo boys better snap up your tickets or else your dear hosts will be snapping them up ;)
There will be one hell of a buzz around the Hyde now, our support was great in Tuam and after that sort of a game the band wagon is only going to swell, nevermind the sweet bonus of having back-to-back home Connacht finals. 'Tis a lovely day to be a Rossie.
Certainly was must been have 4,5k rossies there today? & i expect more for the final.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
The Ros-mageddon is on - ye Sligo boys better snap up your tickets or else your dear hosts will be snapping them up ;)
There will be one hell of a buzz around the Hyde now, our support was great in Tuam and after that sort of a game the band wagon is only going to swell, nevermind the sweet bonus of having back-to-back home Connacht finals. 'Tis a lovely day to be a Rossie.
The dear hosts will only love to see Mayo lose. Sligo people, you wil have 2 countties cheering for ye that day. It'll give an extra incentive to us Mayo people to shout loudwr for longer too.
Quote from: Syferus on June 30, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
The Ros-mageddon is on - ye Sligo boys better snap up your tickets or else your dear hosts will be snapping them up ;)
There will be one hell of a buzz around the Hyde now, our support was great in Tuam and after that sort of a game the band wagon is only going to swell, nevermind the sweet bonus of having back-to-back home Connacht finals. 'Tis a lovely day to be a Rossie.
Musha God help ya,ya poor crathur
Heard Robert Hennelly had to quit Mayo panel. Didn't buy Mayo News yet. Anyone know why?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 03, 2012, 10:49:14 AM
Heard Robert Hennelly had to quit Mayo panel. Didn't buy Mayo News yet. Anyone know why?
"work commitments" they say
That's a pity, he's a good keeper and it's always helpful to have an experienced backup. He would be first choice with a lot of counties but Clarke is more consistent, less erratic and deserves his starting place. I wonder though if he had been first choice would he have managed to balance work and football or would we have had to switch keepers this far into a championship season?
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 03, 2012, 06:30:05 PM
That's a pity, he's a good keeper and it's always helpful to have an experienced backup. He would be first choice with a lot of counties but Clarke is more consistent, less erratic and deserves his starting place. I wonder though if he had been first choice would he have managed to balance work and football or would we have had to switch keepers this far into a championship season?
Back-up keepers suffer a bad lot in most counties, rarely if ever playing even FBD/whatever games and expected to be there time in time out. It's honestly a wonder you don't hear stuff like this more often.
Paul Mannion from Mayo Gaels has been brought in to take Hennelys place.He is also the junior keeper .Surprised Kenneth O Malley has not been called up.This thread has gone very quite in the last few days.Probably has got something to do with the Rossies double victory last weekend.
And because there is damn all to talk about it would appear and little appetite for it as far as I can see. Pity.
As predicted, having the game in the Hyde has shot the tie down before it got off the runway. The atrocious weather is not helping things either. Nothing is helping the mood.
Quote from: moysider on July 04, 2012, 10:58:42 PM
And because there is damn all to talk about it would appear and little appetite for it as far as I can see. Pity.
As predicted, having the game in the Hyde has shot the tie down before it got off the runway. The atrocious weather is not helping things either. Nothing is helping the mood.
Making the excuses for a minor and senior loss early, are we? ;)
This'll be one of the most electric Connacht final atmospheres in quite some time, even more so if we beat Tyrone and/or win the minor final.
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 04, 2012, 10:58:42 PM
And because there is damn all to talk about it would appear and little appetite for it as far as I can see. Pity.
As predicted, having the game in the Hyde has shot the tie down before it got off the runway. The atrocious weather is not helping things either. Nothing is helping the mood.
Making the excuses for a minor and senior loss early, are we? ;)
This'll be one of the most electric Connacht final atmospheres in quite some time, even more so if we beat Tyrone and/or win the minor final.
Didn t take long to get a reaction ;)
Where am I making excuses? If we lose we lose. There ll be no excuses. Win or lose the next game will be more important for both Mayo minor and seniors.
And the atmosphere will hardly be electric - if you can detatch yourself from your own buzzing for a while. Remember also who is playing in the final. It s not Roscommon this year and unfortunately ye re going to hijack the occassion due to the lack of balls in the CC. But don t think for a minute everybody is gagging for this gig. Lets get it done and move on. As I said before 'a potentially good day out ruined'.
With those prices and all and the Rossies hunger for this ye might be the biggest county representation of fans there. Good luck to ye.
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 04, 2012, 10:58:42 PM
And because there is damn all to talk about it would appear and little appetite for it as far as I can see. Pity.
As predicted, having the game in the Hyde has shot the tie down before it got off the runway. The atrocious weather is not helping things either. Nothing is helping the mood.
Making the excuses for a minor and senior loss early, are we? ;)
This'll be one of the most electric Connacht final atmospheres in quite some time, even more so if we beat Tyrone and/or win the minor final.
Roscommon is hardly the square in Thurles on Muster final day now....
Quote from: ballinaman on July 05, 2012, 08:58:24 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 04, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 04, 2012, 10:58:42 PM
And because there is damn all to talk about it would appear and little appetite for it as far as I can see. Pity.
As predicted, having the game in the Hyde has shot the tie down before it got off the runway. The atrocious weather is not helping things either. Nothing is helping the mood.
Making the excuses for a minor and senior loss early, are we? ;)
This'll be one of the most electric Connacht final atmospheres in quite some time, even more so if we beat Tyrone and/or win the minor final.
Roscommon is hardly the square in Thurles on Muster final day now....
Nor the walk up the hill in Clones on Ulster football final day. I think the Roscommon folks should get out more 8)
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
I think someone's afraid of a very hostile crowd.. :-*
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
I think someone's afraid of a very hostile crowd.. :-*
Aye, if it was anything to go by last years cauldron.......
Quote from: ballinaman on July 05, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
I think someone's afraid of a very hostile crowd.. :-*
Aye, if it was anything to go by last years cauldron.......
This time we've brought our surf-loving brothers, though. Sure they love the water!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
Arra, it's more like Ballyhaunis on a cattle mart day! ;D
Quote from: ballinaman on July 05, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
I think someone's afraid of a very hostile crowd.. :-*
Aye, if it was anything to go by last years cauldron.......
It was to hostile for Enda Kenny last year will he turn up this time with less rossies around?
The Sligo bhoys are getting excited...
Propaganda material:
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Sligo GAA shop opens:
(https://p.twimg.com/AxCONzDCMAEd31u.jpg)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 05, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 05, 2012, 12:41:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 05, 2012, 12:26:40 PM
I think someone's afraid of a very hostile crowd.. :-*
Aye, if it was anything to go by last years cauldron.......
It was to hostile for Enda Kenny last year will he turn up this time with less rossies around?
Dunno. His daughter may be in the Gaeltacht again.
Fair play to the Sligomen. That "Arise and Go Now" poster or ad or whatever it is looks fantastic. Nice one.
Imagine lads - if Sligo win they'll have played Galway, Roscommon and Mayo in Connacht finals over the last six seasons and we'll be the only ones with a victory over the William Butler men :-*
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Imagine lads - if Sligo win they'll have played Galway, Roscommon and Mayo in Connacht finals over the last six seasons and we'll be the only ones with a victory over the William Butler men :-*
And?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2012, 12:23:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Imagine lads - if Sligo win they'll have played Galway, Roscommon and Mayo in Connacht finals over the last six seasons and we'll be the only ones with a victory over the William Butler men :-*
And?
Touchy!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 06, 2012, 12:16:12 AM
Fair play to the Sligomen. That "Arise and Go Now" poster or ad or whatever it is looks fantastic. Nice one.
Yeah, nice poster concept in fairness. Big Kevin Walsh in silhouette an all.
Pity about the slogan at the bottom 'nothing beats being there'. Very ironic, considering the chosen location is going to make thousands not to bother going.
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 06, 2012, 12:16:12 AM
Fair play to the Sligomen. That "Arise and Go Now" poster or ad or whatever it is looks fantastic. Nice one.
Yeah, nice poster concept in fairness. Big Kevin Walsh in silhouette an all.
Pity about the slogan at the bottom 'nothing beats being there'. Very ironic, considering the chosen location is going to make thousands not to bother going.
Wasn't the only locations of choice Roscommon or Galway. Basically you're saying Mayo will only travel in numbers if it's a home final, if that's true have Mayo become the Dublin of Connacht?
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Imagine lads - if Sligo win they'll have played Galway, Roscommon and Mayo in Connacht finals over the last six seasons and we'll be the only ones with a victory over the William Butler men :-*
I'm sure you are trying to make a point but I for one can't figure out WTF you are on about. ;D
Is there an interpreter on the board?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2012, 12:51:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 06, 2012, 12:16:12 AM
Fair play to the Sligomen. That "Arise and Go Now" poster or ad or whatever it is looks fantastic. Nice one.
Yeah, nice poster concept in fairness. Big Kevin Walsh in silhouette an all.
Pity about the slogan at the bottom 'nothing beats being there'. Very ironic, considering the chosen location is going to make thousands not to bother going.
Wasn't the only locations of choice Roscommon or Galway. Basically you're saying Mayo will only travel in numbers if it's a home final, if that's true have Mayo become the Dublin of Connacht?
A lot of things have changed since some agreement back in 97 about neutral venues when Leitrim or Sligo involved in finals. 97 was even before Celtic Tiger times. Right now, in the pits of bad times, the CC needed as many people to attend this game as possible. As regards the bit in bould, I would be confident that Mayo will still travel in numbers ( we usually do, even when well outgunned) but
not in the numbers that could have been there. Not sure Hyde will coax many more Sligos either, and could be many less. But at the end of the day it s as well to have it in the Hyde for transparency reasons.
Remind me again how Dublin come into this? I ve never seen them play Wexford in Nolan Park semi or final. We played Sligo in Mark. in 10. Confused??
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 01:09:21 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 06, 2012, 12:51:28 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 12:37:19 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 06, 2012, 12:16:12 AM
Fair play to the Sligomen. That "Arise and Go Now" poster or ad or whatever it is looks fantastic. Nice one.
Yeah, nice poster concept in fairness. Big Kevin Walsh in silhouette an all.
Pity about the slogan at the bottom 'nothing beats being there'. Very ironic, considering the chosen location is going to make thousands not to bother going.
Wasn't the only locations of choice Roscommon or Galway. Basically you're saying Mayo will only travel in numbers if it's a home final, if that's true have Mayo become the Dublin of Connacht?
A lot of things have changed since some agreement back in 97 about neutral venues when Leitrim or Sligo involved in finals. 97 was even before Celtic Tiger times. Right now, in the pits of bad times, the CC needed as many people to attend this game as possible. As regards the bit in bould, I would be confident that Mayo will still travel in numbers ( we usually do, even when well outgunned) but not in the numbers that could have been there. Not sure Hyde will coax many more Sligos either, and could be many less. But at the end of the day it s as well to have it in the Hyde for transparency reasons.
Remind me again how Dublin come into this? I ve never seen them play Wexford in Nolan Park semi or final. We played Sligo in Mark. in 10. Confused??
If a game is not in Croke park Dublin fans don't travel in numbers. From your post it sounds like Mayo fans are unhappy they didn't get a home final.
Dubwest, it is, then! It was time for a new nickname for Mayo anyways.
Jaysus with all the weeping and wailing and gnashing, there won't be a Mayoman with a tooth left by the time ye get to the Hyde. I thought ye had left the whingeing back in 1996. Roscommon and Sligo went to McHale Park in 2010 and there wasn't a word of complaint. You'd swear by some of the posts here that McHale was near some historic downtown with a wonderful place to gather after the match, when most of us just walk back to our cars parked along with N5 - unless there's some ceol and craic to be found in one of those thatched cottages around Turlough house. At least in Roscommon town, there's always been a tradition of gathering in the historic town center. As for the complaints about the weather in Roscommon, well we can't all be like the sunny hotspots of places like Bohola and Aughamore and Toureen where the chemists can't keep the factor 90 in stock, such is the demand. That said I recall lots of fine Connacht finals in the Hyde - indeed the 1991 replay was a much better day than the first game in Castlebar where Derek Duggan had to kick a 60 yard free into the teeth of a very strong wind. Some corrections about all the money that was ploughed into the Hyde. When the Hyde was designated as the provincial ground in the early 90s, both Mayo and Galway kicked up such a fuss, with scathing articles written in the Western People, that the kibosh was put on this and Ros only got a fraction of the funds that they should have got to make a top class stadium. I'll be the first to admit that the upgrade was uninspiring. While the concreted terrace steps might have been cutting edge in 1993, compared to the grassy embankment we used to stand on, it's clear now that the architectural style owes more to the nearby cattle mart than a modern football stadium. Maybe we thought this would make the Mayo girls feel more at home. Mooo! Ah, just joking lads. No doubt, the old ground will be hopping for the Connacht final and I look forward to two great days in the Hyde. Any thoughts on the game at all?
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 06, 2012, 01:34:08 AM
Jaysus with all the weeping and wailing and gnashing, there won't be a Mayoman with a tooth left by the time ye get to the Hyde. I thought ye had left the whingeing back in 1996. Roscommon and Sligo went to McHale Park in 2010 and there wasn't a word of complaint. You'd swear by some of the posts here that McHale was near some historic downtown with a wonderful place to gather after the match, when most of us just walk back to our cars parked along with N5 - unless there's some ceol and craic to be found in one of those thatched cottages around Turlough house. At least in Roscommon town, there's always been a tradition of gathering in the historic town center. As for the complaints about the weather in Roscommon, well we can't all be like the sunny hotspots of places like Bohola and Aughamore and Toureen where the chemists can't keep the factor 90 in stock, such is the demand. That said I recall lots of fine Connacht finals in the Hyde - indeed the 1991 replay was a much better day than the first game in Castlebar where Derek Duggan had to kick a 60 yard free into the teeth of a very strong wind. Some corrections about all the money that was ploughed into the Hyde. When the Hyde was designated as the provincial ground in the early 90s, both Mayo and Galway kicked up such a fuss, with scathing articles written in the Western People, that the kibosh was put on this and Ros only got a fraction of the funds that they should have got to make a top class stadium. I'll be the first to admit that the upgrade was uninspiring. While the concreted terrace steps might have been cutting edge in 1993, compared to the grassy embankment we used to stand on, it's clear now that the architectural style owes more to the nearby cattle mart than a modern football stadium. Maybe we thought this would make the Mayo girls feel more at home. Mooo! Ah, just joking lads. No doubt, the old ground will be hopping for the Connacht final and I look forward to two great days in the Hyde. Any thoughts on the game at all?
None - from me anyway - yet :D. But I ve said mere than enough already about how mayo are trying to go about their business. My thoughts about the location is purely down to numbers and that the CC needs every cent they can get.
Any news on injuries or who is playing well at club level?
Very quiet on the game front.
turlough. in case you missed . this thread is about the connacht senior final .
it has nothing to do with Roscommon that why we resent having to hang aroung the beautiful Historic city centre which you speak of .
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on July 06, 2012, 01:34:08 AM
Jaysus with all the weeping and wailing and gnashing, there won't be a Mayoman with a tooth left by the time ye get to the Hyde. I thought ye had left the whingeing back in 1996. Roscommon and Sligo went to McHale Park in 2010 and there wasn't a word of complaint. You'd swear by some of the posts here that McHale was near some historic downtown with a wonderful place to gather after the match, when most of us just walk back to our cars parked along with N5 - unless there's some ceol and craic to be found in one of those thatched cottages around Turlough house. At least in Roscommon town, there's always been a tradition of gathering in the historic town center. As for the complaints about the weather in Roscommon, well we can't all be like the sunny hotspots of places like Bohola and Aughamore and Toureen where the chemists can't keep the factor 90 in stock, such is the demand. That said I recall lots of fine Connacht finals in the Hyde - indeed the 1991 replay was a much better day than the first game in Castlebar where Derek Duggan had to kick a 60 yard free into the teeth of a very strong wind. Some corrections about all the money that was ploughed into the Hyde. When the Hyde was designated as the provincial ground in the early 90s, both Mayo and Galway kicked up such a fuss, with scathing articles written in the Western People, that the kibosh was put on this and Ros only got a fraction of the funds that they should have got to make a top class stadium. I'll be the first to admit that the upgrade was uninspiring. While the concreted terrace steps might have been cutting edge in 1993, compared to the grassy embankment we used to stand on, it's clear now that the architectural style owes more to the nearby cattle mart than a modern football stadium. Maybe we thought this would make the Mayo girls feel more at home. Mooo! Ah, just joking lads. No doubt, the old ground will be hopping for the Connacht final and I look forward to two great days in the Hyde. Any thoughts on the game at all?
Bedad, Turlough, I was rising to it until your last sentence. ;D
As long as the game is played on the pitch and not on the terraces, us Mayo folk won't mind.
"Houl' me back and let me at 'em," could well be our motto.
The Hyde may not be up to much but that's not the fault of Mayo or Sligo. The amount of baaing and bleating that's been going on here about the bloody place would wreck the head of a cabbage. Seems it got the go-ahead in the nick of time so I think many people will be put off by fears of the place being only half-finished.
It's the CC's own fault if the venue isn't up to standard; they never considered the possibility of a Mayo/Sligo final or so it would seem.
As for the game itself, I expect a good hard contest and I think we'll finish in front but not by much.
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
I must have attended 9 or 10 Connacht Finals in the Hyde involving Mayo and Roscommon. Not to mention other rounds and league and qualifiers etc and I have never been in the historic old town centre once.
It s a ground. You go in, watch the game and you go home. That s the way it is for most people who are driving, have kids in tow and stuff at home. I m sure most Rossies take the same approach for a game in Castlebar.
Personally I've never had a bad day at Hyde park despite many bad results for my team!
I hear all is very quiet on the western people front, not much in the Mayo news either.
(see what I did there?)
No interviews, no build ups, no previews at all this week. Normally when the local scribes have nothing to write about we often see a look back at a previous historic encounter, but I dont think we even had that this week?
Is this media ban creating an air of anticipation or is it fanning the hype away?
Not a peep out of either camp this week which is intriguing!
We could see a team named as early as Tuesday night could we? To get this thread off its knees ill give it a shot:
Clarke
Keane, Cafferkey, Higgins,
Boyle, Vaughan, Keegan
Moran, Gibbons,
McLoughlin, Moran, Dillon,
Mortimor, O Connor, Conroy
You could see Richie starter for Boyle if he is off form like the last day.
O Connor should start inside, and Andy needs to be centre forward.
Doherty and Freeman didnt cut it the last day, but I guess Freeman could be there instead of Conroy at 15, depending on form. Wouldnt say McGarity is in contention, by all accounts he was terrible in the club championships down in Mayo last weekend.
Quote from: ck on July 06, 2012, 02:16:43 PM
Personally I've never had a bad day at Hyde park despite many bad results for my team!
So what would constitute a bad day then?
Some of my all time favourite favourite memories are from the Hyde. 85,88,89, 93, 2011.
A couple that got away like 2001, a fair and square defeat in 91 replay and a hammering in '80 but that s football. Not many finals between us last 20 years( 4 I think) ach sin scéal eile.
Overall I think we are in credit in the Hyde and have fond memories of the place but still that doesn t mean I think it s the right venue for next week.
Well in all fairness Tyrion, next weeks editions of the WP and MN should have all things covered. Even WJ's blog is gone all quiet since he's away on holidays. Anyway I agree with you in saying Andy Moran should be at no 11. How come the Sligo posters are so quiet? Are you all going to come on if ye win and say we're daft to have hope because Sligo are a real force in Connacht now, or are ye gonna come out at all or what? Usually there'd be some slant from other counties we're playing.
Sligonian, I take all I've said about you in the past back. Come on and rescue the thread from the Rossies!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2012, 03:41:20 PM
Well in all fairness Tyrion, next weeks editions of the WP and MN should have all things covered. Even WJ's blog is gone all quiet since he's away on holidays. Anyway I agree with you in saying Andy Moran should be at no 11. How come the Sligo posters are so quiet? Are you all going to come on if ye win and say we're daft to have hope because Sligo are a real force in Connacht now, or are ye gonna come out at all or what? Usually there'd be some slant from other counties we're playing.
Sligonian, I take all I've said about you in the past back. Come on and rescue the thread from the Rossies!
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Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 03:01:00 PM
Overall I think we are in credit in the Hyde and have fond memories of the place but still that doesn t mean I think it s the right venue for next week.
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Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 06, 2012, 03:44:43 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2012, 03:41:20 PM
Well in all fairness Tyrion, next weeks editions of the WP and MN should have all things covered. Even WJ's blog is gone all quiet since he's away on holidays. Anyway I agree with you in saying Andy Moran should be at no 11. How come the Sligo posters are so quiet? Are you all going to come on if ye win and say we're daft to have hope because Sligo are a real force in Connacht now, or are ye gonna come out at all or what? Usually there'd be some slant from other counties we're playing.
Sligonian, I take all I've said about you in the past back. Come on and rescue the thread from the Rossies!
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You have elves??
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 06, 2012, 12:54:23 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Imagine lads - if Sligo win they'll have played Galway, Roscommon and Mayo in Connacht finals over the last six seasons and we'll be the only ones with a victory over the William Butler men :-*
I'm sure you are trying to make a point but I for one can't figure out WTF you are on about. ;D
Is there an interpreter on the board?
I told ye already not to pay any heed to this buckeen. :o
His mammy bought him a new toy for his 10th birthday last March.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 06, 2012, 02:56:19 PM
I hear all is very quiet on the western people front, not much in the Mayo news either.
(see what I did there?)
No interviews, no build ups, no previews at all this week. Normally when the local scribes have nothing to write about we often see a look back at a previous historic encounter, but I dont think we even had that this week?
Is this media ban creating an air of anticipation or is it fanning the hype away?
Not a peep out of either camp this week which is intriguing!
We could see a team named as early as Tuesday night could we? To get this thread off its knees ill give it a shot:
Clarke
Keane, Cafferkey, Higgins,
Boyle, Vaughan, Keegan
Moran, Gibbons,
McLoughlin, Moran, Dillon,
Mortimor, O Connor, Conroy
You could see Richie starter for Boyle if he is off form like the last day.
O Connor should start inside, and Andy needs to be centre forward.
Doherty and Freeman didnt cut it the last day, but I guess Freeman could be there instead of Conroy at 15, depending on form. Wouldnt say McGarity is in contention, by all accounts he was terrible in the club championships down in Mayo last weekend.
I'd say if Freeman plays it'll be himself and Conroy with Mort on the bench.
Will either of the O'Ses be fit?
I presume KH will go on Kelly with Caff on Marren? How they fare will probably be fairly dependent on how MF get on - the best way to stop those two will be to stop ball coming in and / or put pressure on the players kicking in the ball.
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
I must have attended 9 or 10 Connacht Finals in the Hyde involving Mayo and Roscommon. Not to mention other rounds and league and qualifiers etc and I have never been in the historic old town centre once.
It s a ground. You go in, watch the game and you go home. That s the way it is for most people who are driving, have kids in tow and stuff at home. I m sure most Rossies take the same approach for a game in Castlebar.
Normally i would go straight home after Castlebar final but in 2010 i decided to stay the night. I was in all the local hot spots TBH you wouldn't even know there was a Connacht final on earlier in the day. That final had attendance of 23,000 if it was played in Hyde park it would be over 26,000 but no one complained & just got on with it.
As for this year's final i'm expecting another close contest just like the 2005-2011 Connacht finals apparently David Kelly is doubtful while both O'Shea's are fit again.
I can't see Kelly not starting, at worst they'll jab him with some witchcraft and send him out there - he was huge for them in the semi-final and is one of the most skilful corner forwards in the game.
Kelly was doubtful before last game as well. I suspect that he is more likely to feature though than either of the O Sés.
I think we could well see the same starting 15 again for Mayo. Don t think much happened the last day to make them change their mind.
Quote from: ross4life on July 06, 2012, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
I must have attended 9 or 10 Connacht Finals in the Hyde involving Mayo and Roscommon. Not to mention other rounds and league and qualifiers etc and I have never been in the historic old town centre once.
It s a ground. You go in, watch the game and you go home. That s the way it is for most people who are driving, have kids in tow and stuff at home. I m sure most Rossies take the same approach for a game in Castlebar.
Normally i would go straight home after Castlebar final but in 2010 i decided to stay the night. I was in all the local hot spots TBH you wouldn't even know there was a Connacht final on earlier in the day. That final had attendance of 23,000 if it was played in Hyde park it would be over 26,000 but no one complained & just got on with it.
As for this year's final i'm expecting another close contest just like the 2005-2011 Connacht finals apparently David Kelly is doubtful while both O'Shea's are fit again.
Maybe if Mayo were in the senior final you might.
You wouldn't want to go near a town at night with the Mayo senior panel involved, sure the nightclubs in Roscommon are only recovering from last year now!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
Arra, it's more like Ballyhaunis on a cattle mart day! ;D
Now, little Mayo maneen, get your facts straight before you start talking shite.
The cattle mart in Ballyhaunis closed down years ago.
Expect a big Rossie attendance at this one.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
Well don't let us detain you Kramer. In fact, why don't you sit at home and stay out of Ros altogether if it bothers you that much.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 06, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
Arra, it's more like Ballyhaunis on a cattle mart day! ;D
Now, little Mayo maneen, get your facts straight before you start talking shite.
The cattle mart in Ballyhaunis closed down years ago.Expect a big Rossie attendance at this one.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great comeback.
From what I hear the Congested Districts Board decreed that all cattle in the Ballyhaunis area has to be sold in Roscommon mart. Only a matter of time until county border is redrawn so that Haunis is a few miles inside Roscommon ;)
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 06, 2012, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
Well don't let us detain you Kramer. In fact, why don't you sit at home and stay out of Ros altogether if it bothers you that much.
Hmmmmmmm. Trouble is it may be that quite a few will decide to do just that. Sure no harm if they do I suppose but that is a vibe around here. Better idea after the weekend. The usual hype shite in the locals next week might make up a few minds and of course the weather could make or break the attendance. But at the moment there are more non biters than takers among those who usually attend ch. matches.
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 07:52:16 PM
You wouldn't want to go near a town at night with the Mayo senior panel involved, sure the nightclubs in Roscommon are only recovering from last year now!
Well at least they must have generated some income in that case.
Sweet Jesus Christ. The way this thread has turned out is gas isn't it! :D
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 06, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
Arra, it's more like Ballyhaunis on a cattle mart day! ;D
Now, little Mayo maneen, get your facts straight before you start talking shite.
The cattle mart in Ballyhaunis closed down years ago.Expect a big Rossie attendance at this one.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great comeback.
From what I hear the Congested Districts Board decreed that all cattle in the Ballyhaunis area has to be sold in Roscommon mart. Only a matter of time until county border is redrawn so that Haunis is a few miles inside Roscommon ;)
I think ye mean Castlerea mart, boyo.
Proud home of our first president (bless his soul) Dr. Dougie Hyde (as all true Castlerea folk refer to him), as well as many well-maintained amenities for prideful Roscommon men and women. There's even a pig race down St. Patrick's Street when the Rose of Castlerea is on (no Mayo pork is harmed).
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 06, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
Arra, it's more like Ballyhaunis on a cattle mart day! ;D
Now, little Mayo maneen, get your facts straight before you start talking shite.
The cattle mart in Ballyhaunis closed down years ago.
Expect a big Rossie attendance at this one.
Touché!! ;D
Good call, Shrewdness, I thought nobody would spot that.
I couldn't think of any other mart in the xcounty that was definitely open so I went with the 'haunis.
If only all sheep shaggists were as sharp as you, we might be nicer to the whole sorry lot of ye!
But I can't possibly follow your advice. There'ss an oxymoron (no relation of Andy's) there if ever I saw one.
I mean if I checked my facts first, I wouldn't be talking shite, would I?
(Maybe you lot do things differently to the rest of us.)
If Mayo are any good they should win this one.
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 09:29:27 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 06, 2012, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 05, 2012, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 05, 2012, 12:23:52 PM
Hell it's not even like Croke Park on Leinster final day!
Arra, it's more like Ballyhaunis on a cattle mart day! ;D
Now, little Mayo maneen, get your facts straight before you start talking shite.
The cattle mart in Ballyhaunis closed down years ago.Expect a big Rossie attendance at this one.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Great comeback.
From what I hear the Congested Districts Board decreed that all cattle in the Ballyhaunis area has to be sold in Roscommon mart. Only a matter of time until county border is redrawn so that Haunis is a few miles inside Roscommon ;)
I think ye mean Castlerea mart, boyo.
Proud home of our first president (bless his soul) Dr. Dougie Hyde (as all true Castlerea folk refer to him), as well as many well-maintained amenities for prideful Roscommon men and women. There's even a pig race down St. Patrick's Street when the Rose of Castlerea is on (no Mayo pork is harmed).
Never been to Castlerea mart but bought a couple nice pedigree sims in Roscommon a few years ago.
So ye re into racing pigs a s well as the sheep thingy :o Is this race part of the selection procedure to find the top
porkie sorry I mean rose ;) Race the pink ones down the street with just a sash around their lovely plump pink necks.
I opened up the Roscommon (Herald?)
I just received today
for to read about my native town,
my friends so far away,
when the tears began to blind me
as I glanced across page three,
on a photo of her market day
was the pork of Castlerea.
Quote from: seafoid on July 06, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
If Mayo are any good they should win this one.
You re a gas man altogether.
Contae na Gaillimhe were very good when they played Roscommon. Don t take my word for it. Just look at all the kleenex that Pat and Joe and Colm went through in the studio that day. I d reckon 'any good' wouldn t do at all.
Very hard to get excited about the Connacht Final reading this thread. Heaven help us.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 06, 2012, 10:11:20 PM
Very hard to get excited about the Connacht Final reading this thread. Heaven help us.
Poor lad.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2012, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: ross4life on July 06, 2012, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 06, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 06, 2012, 01:06:15 PM
I'm not aware that there's any great history of Mayo fans gathering in Roscommon town after the game, although no doubt a few do, similar to anywhere else.
Personally, win or lose, I will be doing the same as the majority of Mayo fans after the game, pointing the car towards the N60 and joining the very long queue to get the f**k out of the place.
I must have attended 9 or 10 Connacht Finals in the Hyde involving Mayo and Roscommon. Not to mention other rounds and league and qualifiers etc and I have never been in the historic old town centre once.
It s a ground. You go in, watch the game and you go home. That s the way it is for most people who are driving, have kids in tow and stuff at home. I m sure most Rossies take the same approach for a game in Castlebar.
Normally i would go straight home after Castlebar final but in 2010 i decided to stay the night. I was in all the local hot spots TBH you wouldn't even know there was a Connacht final on earlier in the day. That final had attendance of 23,000 if it was played in Hyde park it would be over 26,000 but no one complained & just got on with it.
As for this year's final i'm expecting another close contest just like the 2005-2011 Connacht finals apparently David Kelly is doubtful while both O'Shea's are fit again.
Maybe if Mayo were in the senior final you might.
Ding.
We're not in this year's senior final but you can be sure the pubs & Rockfords will do good business after the game.
Help im lost.
I know i opened a connAught final thread somewhere but i think i lost it somewhere between ballyhaunis and castlerea marts or it might have been on my way from castlebar to the hyde. The lAst time i saw it might have been in salthill come to think of it or was it at the bus shelter in roscommon town before i got drunk in the nightclub with the mayo boys. I wonder if some of the mayo buckeens stole it when they were trying to steal the venue for the final.
Wait a second, is that my thread i see on the back of that pig running down the road? No, my mistake that's the runaway pig that escaped death row at barcastle as a stowaway on the back of a builders truck who was building the great facities at mchale park. Rumour has it the pig is now living under the concrete seats in Roscommon.
Well anyways if anyone finds it can you emali me at thismayoroscommonbullshitiskillingme@ye're all yahoos .com the last time this thread was seen alive was about 17 pages ago half way between kellys ankle and oharas knee.
A reward wll be offered for the safe return of this thread. No questions asked.
Go raibh maith agat
Go raibh maith agat
You snooze, you lose!
I can see Sligo winning plenty of good ball in the middle, their pairing looked good in the league and were good against against Galway. Mayo are obviously unsettled there with the O'Shea's only coming back from injury. Aidan seems to have improved from last year (where he was like a bull in a china shop), but how sharp would he be if he is starting or introduced? I know he played for Breaffy at the weekend but that was in a bit of a pasting for them.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 06, 2012, 02:56:19 PM
I hear all is very quiet on the western people front, not much in the Mayo news either.
(see what I did there?)
No interviews, no build ups, no previews at all this week. Normally when the local scribes have nothing to write about we often see a look back at a previous historic encounter, but I dont think we even had that this week?
Is this media ban creating an air of anticipation or is it fanning the hype away?
Not a peep out of either camp this week which is intriguing!
We could see a team named as early as Tuesday night could we? To get this thread off its knees ill give it a shot:
Clarke
Keane, Cafferkey, Higgins,
Boyle, Vaughan, Keegan
Moran, Gibbons,
McLoughlin, Moran, Dillon,
Mortimor, O Connor, Conroy
You could see Richie starter for Boyle if he is off form like the last day.
O Connor should start inside, and Andy needs to be centre forward.
Doherty and Freeman didnt cut it the last day, but I guess Freeman could be there instead of Conroy at 15, depending on form. Wouldnt say McGarity is in contention, by all accounts he was terrible in the club championships down in Mayo last weekend.
Ok. I promised myself I wouldn t do this but I m bored and tbh I don t have the heart to keep the other sparring with the Rossies going.
For debate sake. Why would you bring in Gibbons for Geraghty for this one? Thought Geraghty did 'exactly like it says on the tin' v Leitrim. Horan isn t selecting Geraghty and expecting a song and dance display.
Ditto Freeman and Doherty. What else would you expect them to do than what they did? In this team corner forwards are worker bees that close down and try and force turnovers with pressure. They are also expected to get on the end of things as finishers but the run of the ball wont always go their way. Horan might still consider his best approach is Doc and Freeman and keep Conroy and Conoreen until/if the game gets stretched and room appears inside and our runners legs are shot.
Moving out Andy and moving in O Connor should be a non runner unless Horan loses his nerve. He s hardly going to drop O Connor but moving him inside is a cop out - like moving Andy out would be a cop out. Andy needs to improve his hands since Leitrim but at 11 he would be just a spectator and decoy ( like O Connor was the last day) with runners running the lines from deep.
Fair play Tyrion for trying to start a proper debate but it will probably stall again. Paople will pick a preferred team etc and won t justify it.
A bit like you have. O Con inside and Andy at eleven.
Horan has 3 Ballintubber men from 8-15 and we can be sure he has well mulled over who can do what. He knows them better than most I d say. If Horan thought O Con would bag goals and run riot inside as a targetman or finisher he would have him in there. He s starting Geraghty instead of Gibbons for a reason as well. When I see a posters selection with O Con in ff line I kinda lose interest and prefer to rattle a Rossie's cage. Every Mayo forward line seems to have Dillon, O Con and Andy in some number but without much thought to what they re going to/capable of doing. Y'know the old ' 3 St Patricks and No God scenario'.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 06, 2012, 11:46:04 PM
Help im lost.
I know i opened a connAught final thread somewhere but i think i lost it somewhere between ballyhaunis and castlerea marts or it might have been on my way from castlebar to the hyde. The lAst time i saw it might have been in salthill come to think of it or was it at the bus shelter in roscommon town before i got drunk in the nightclub with the mayo boys. I wonder if some of the mayo buckeens stole it when they were trying to steal the venue for the final.
Wait a second, is that my thread i see on the back of that pig running down the road? No, my mistake that's the runaway pig that escaped death row at barcastle as a stowaway on the back of a builders truck who was building the great facities at mchale park. Rumour has it the pig is now living under the concrete seats in Roscommon.
Well anyways if anyone finds it can you emali me at thismayoroscommonbullshitiskillingme@ye're all yahoos .com the last time this thread was seen alive was about 17 pages ago half way between kellys ankle and oharas knee.
A reward wll be offered for the safe return of this thread. No questions asked.
Go raibh maith agat
Go raibh maith agat
You're right, y'know.
There has been sweet damn all discussion about the game- so far at any rate.
Maybe the main reason for this is the fact that both camps are keeping very quite as they go about their preparations.
There's very little to comment on and them jealous Rossies keep looking for a slice of the action but it's time to get back on-topic.
Even when both lineups are made public, there is no form guide of any sort to go by so it's going to be hard to make credible predictions on the outcome.
This is the most low-key final I can remember.
Sligo look a fairly handy side to me but that's because of the manner in which they flattened Galway. Their league form was unimpressive.
Galway had been red hot favourites going into that game because of their display against Roscommon. The Rossies then had a good, hard-fought win over Armagh so it's hard to predict just how good Sligo are.
Did Galway catch the Rossies on an off-day and were Sligo really as superior to Galway as the scoreline suggested?
Besides all that, Sligo don't have a reputation of putting a string of good performances together. If they can repeat their form against Galway, Mayo will be in trouble but that's a big if.
Mayo on the other hand haven't been tested in the championship so far. They did what they had to do against Leitrim and we'll have to wait until the final to assess their worth.
I'm predicting a Mayo win but I won't be putting my shirt (jersey?) on them.
You had a lot in that last one so I had to break it down. (never again, took forever :P )
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Ok. I promised myself I wouldn t do this but I m bored and tbh I don t have the heart to keep the other sparring with the Rossies going.
What exactly did you promise yourself you wouldn't do!? Surely some healthy theorising on football, tactics and line outs is better craic than entertaining some sheep stealers lost on this forum ? ;)
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
For debate sake. Why would you bring in Gibbons for Geraghty for this one? Thought Geraghty did 'exactly like it says on the tin' v Leitrim. Horan isn t selecting Geraghty and expecting a song and dance display.
Ok, firstly, as I started to name the team, I got distracted, so initially in my head I had put Geraghty at centre back instead of Vaughan. I felt that Vaughan got too much of a run around from Mulligan (an average player) and Costello could trouble him even more. I would like to see Geraghty get a shot at centre back as he is not the tallest for an intercounty midfielder, but he still deserves a shot for the hunger he shows. Sligo seem to be high fielders so I think Gibbons would suit that game a bit better too. Don't think McG would be in contention as he didnt look too interested when he got his chance. Maybe Aidan O Se would be fit so he would also be an option, if he has his match fitness up.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Ditto Freeman and Doherty. What else would you expect them to do than what they did? In this team corner forwards are worker bees that close down and try and force turnovers with pressure. They are also expected to get on the end of things as finishers but the run of the ball wont always go their way. Horan might still consider his best approach is Doc and Freeman and keep Conroy and Conoreen until/if the game gets stretched and room appears inside and our runners legs are shot.
Are you serious?
Was one point enough from two corner forwards that started against Leitrim?
Conroy and Mort did more in the few minutes they had action than Doc and Freeman managed nearly the whole game. By all means keep the corners a revolving door and if one corner forward is being beaten by his opposite number, swap him out straight away. I think all four players play better being sprung from the bench anyway.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Moving out Andy and moving in O Connor should be a non runner unless Horan loses his nerve. He s hardly going to drop O Connor but moving him inside is a cop out - like moving Andy out would be a cop out. Andy needs to improve his hands since Leitrim but at 11 he would be just a spectator and decoy ( like O Connor was the last day) with runners running the lines from deep.
I think we are going to clash on this one for the rest of the year. Neither player played well against Leitrim as both were out of position but you can't admit you were wrong ;-)
Andy is a better break winner, O Connor is a better finisher. Go back over the video and have a look at how many breaks the Leitrim half back and half backline won without Andy out there. Talking of Horan losing nerve and of cop outs is rubbish.
The definition of insanity is is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. This didn't work against a poor team like Leitrim, so change it back and move on.
What games has Andy been a spectator or decoy at 11? I think that's an unfair comment. He had some outstanding games from centre forward. Also enlighten me about having any quality player being spectator from the centre point of an attack, just to let runners run the lines from deep or whatever? That's a new one to me.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Fair play Tyrion for trying to start a proper debate but it will probably stall again. Paople will pick a preferred team etc and won t justify it.
A bit like you have. O Con inside and Andy at eleven.
I think everyone knew that that didn't work, so I didn't feel the need to explain it.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Horan has 3 Ballintubber men from 8-15 and we can be sure he has well mulled over who can do what. He knows them better than most I d say. If Horan thought O Con would bag goals and run riot inside as a targetman or finisher he would have him in there. He s starting Geraghty instead of Gibbons for a reason as well. When I see a posters selection with O Con in ff line I kinda lose interest and prefer to rattle a Rossie's cage. Every Mayo forward line seems to have Dillon, O Con and Andy in some number but without much thought to what they re going to/capable of doing. Y'know the old ' 3 St Patricks and No God scenario'.
Ah, there is plenty of thought a mhac rest assured. Dillon is flourishing at wing forward, Andy and O Connor have gone backwards as I maintain they are out of position. Geraghty is improving, and may be even better from centre back. Keane continues to establish himself and Barry Moran is showing potiential. Boyle and Vaughan might need a shakeup. Richie, Mort and Conroy looked good off the bench and might get their shot. Aido has hardly even featured yet. Lots to look forward to.
Emlyn Mulligan on this day is one of the finest forwards in Connacht giving Vaughan (one of Mayo better defenders) the run around is no shame and he's better all round footballer than Alan Costello.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 08, 2012, 12:25:25 AM
Emlyn Mulligan on this day is one of the finest forwards in Connacht giving Vaughan (one of Mayo better defenders) the run around is no shame and he's better all round footballer than Alan Costello.
Arah yeah, just teasing that one out. He is a bit more than an average footballer indeed.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 08, 2012, 12:07:47 AM
You had a lot in that last one so I had to break it down. (never again, took forever :P )
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Ok. I promised myself I wouldn t do this but I m bored and tbh I don t have the heart to keep the other sparring with the Rossies going.
What exactly did you promise yourself you wouldn't do!? Surely some healthy theorising on football, tactics and line outs is better craic than entertaining some sheep stealers lost on this forum ? ;)
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
For debate sake. Why would you bring in Gibbons for Geraghty for this one? Thought Geraghty did 'exactly like it says on the tin' v Leitrim. Horan isn t selecting Geraghty and expecting a song and dance display.
Ok, firstly, as I started to name the team, I got distracted, so initially in my head I had put Geraghty at centre back instead of Vaughan. I felt that Vaughan got too much of a run around from Mulligan (an average player) and Costello could trouble him even more. I would like to see Geraghty get a shot at centre back as he is not the tallest for an intercounty midfielder, but he still deserves a shot for the hunger he shows. Sligo seem to be high fielders so I think Gibbons would suit that game a bit better too. Don't think McG would be in contention as he didnt look too interested when he got his chance. Maybe Aidan O Se would be fit so he would also be an option, if he has his match fitness up.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Ditto Freeman and Doherty. What else would you expect them to do than what they did? In this team corner forwards are worker bees that close down and try and force turnovers with pressure. They are also expected to get on the end of things as finishers but the run of the ball wont always go their way. Horan might still consider his best approach is Doc and Freeman and keep Conroy and Conoreen until/if the game gets stretched and room appears inside and our runners legs are shot.
Are you serious?
Was one point enough from two corner forwards that started against Leitrim?
Conroy and Mort did more in the few minutes they had action than Doc and Freeman managed nearly the whole game. By all means keep the corners a revolving door and if one corner forward is being beaten by his opposite number, swap him out straight away. I think all four players play better being sprung from the bench anyway.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Moving out Andy and moving in O Connor should be a non runner unless Horan loses his nerve. He s hardly going to drop O Connor but moving him inside is a cop out - like moving Andy out would be a cop out. Andy needs to improve his hands since Leitrim but at 11 he would be just a spectator and decoy ( like O Connor was the last day) with runners running the lines from deep.
I think we are going to clash on this one for the rest of the year. Neither player played well against Leitrim as both were out of position but you can't admit you were wrong ;-)
Andy is a better break winner, O Connor is a better finisher. Go back over the video and have a look at how many breaks the Leitrim half back and half backline won without Andy out there. Talking of Horan losing nerve and of cop outs is rubbish.
The definition of insanity is is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. This didn't work against a poor team like Leitrim, so change it back and move on.
What games has Andy been a spectator or decoy at 11? I think that's an unfair comment. He had some outstanding games from centre forward. Also enlighten me about having any quality player being spectator from the centre point of an attack, just to let runners run the lines from deep or whatever? That's a new one to me.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Fair play Tyrion for trying to start a proper debate but it will probably stall again. Paople will pick a preferred team etc and won t justify it.
A bit like you have. O Con inside and Andy at eleven.
I think everyone knew that that didn't work, so I didn't feel the need to explain it.
Quote from: moysider on July 07, 2012, 12:13:54 AM
Horan has 3 Ballintubber men from 8-15 and we can be sure he has well mulled over who can do what. He knows them better than most I d say. If Horan thought O Con would bag goals and run riot inside as a targetman or finisher he would have him in there. He s starting Geraghty instead of Gibbons for a reason as well. When I see a posters selection with O Con in ff line I kinda lose interest and prefer to rattle a Rossie's cage. Every Mayo forward line seems to have Dillon, O Con and Andy in some number but without much thought to what they re going to/capable of doing. Y'know the old ' 3 St Patricks and No God scenario'.
Ah, there is plenty of thought a mhac rest assured. Dillon is flourishing at wing forward, Andy and O Connor have gone backwards as I maintain they are out of position. Geraghty is improving, and may be even better from centre back. Keane continues to establish himself and Barry Moran is showing potiential. Boyle and Vaughan might need a shakeup. Richie, Mort and Conroy looked good off the bench and might get their shot. Aido has hardly even featured yet. Lots to look forward to.
I promised myself I wouldn t get involved in a debate involving a few Mayo men between themselves.
A few things about you re replies above.
As somebody else has already pointed out Mulligan is a much better player than Costello or Brehony or anybody else I can think of that Sligo might play 11. My views on where Vaughan should be played have been well aired already.
McGarrity looked interested to me the last day but there might be questionmarks about his legs being shot. I d have no great preferance for Geraghty myself but I suspect he ll be chosen ahead of Gibbons again. I can t see how Leitrim changed anything. As regards fielding I m not sure Gibbons would give advantage there.
The Andy and O Connor placement is another thing. Clearly Horan wants Andy s ability to win hard ball inside and obviously doesn t think O Connor can do that job. The way we play Andy might be able to do a better job at 11 too but he cant play in both places. As for 11 being the point of attack that does not apply to Mayo - hasn t since McD wore 11 back in 06 (I d prefer not to delve into what Johnno was trying to achieve with Trevor or whover at 11 ::) ). So it shouldn t be new to you. It s been happening for some time. So what did or didn t work against Leitrim is debatable so you can t just assume that everybody wants Andy at 11. 11 doesn t matter that much in the way Mayo are trying to play. It s no more special than 10 or 12. . At least that is what I m seeing in games. I think it is more important to Horan that Andy can win ball inside and keep defences honest. O Connor s finishing ability is beyond question but his ability to win ball is an issue. At least I think Mayo management sees it that way.
And I was serious about the corner forwards and it s getting tiresome repeating stuff. Directly after the Leitrim game I wrote that Conroy created more with his first few touches than Doc had done in 50 mins. You must have missed that. Anybody that has read my posts knows that I would have Conroy as my no1 corner forward. But Horan sees it differently.
As you say they all seem to do better coming on. When Conroy came on the last day the game was over and the backs were out on their feet so it was a lot easier than for Doherty. Unfair to judge in those circumstances. But they all have different natural attributes and I think Horan is looking to get a balance that compliments his tactical opproach. I don t think we re playing a game that will see our full forward line score points heavily from play. They will get goal chances though by getting on the end of running moves.
Conor is Conoreen. I suspect he ll be continued to be used as impact.
Conroy. Most typical of the lot what we expect from a corner forward. Shows well, good hands, tricky and pacel and can score on his own.
Doherty. Fast. A bit of an assassin. Not great hands. Works very hard at closing down.
Freeman. Also very quick. Threat in the air if his eye is in. Can also be a lethal finisher. Can be brought further out and works hard to close down defenders.
O Connor. Could end up competing for a corner spot. Lethal finisher and consistently good for close and medium range frees.
At the minute I think Horan prefers to start with pace and workrate, combined with a flair for goal taking.
Spare me the old one about the main job of a corner forward and scoring and stuff. First of all it is not my team . I m just trying to see it from Horan s point of view. He can point to score board v Leitrim and I m sure he s happy enough with the spread of scores. As things stand opposition won t be able to concentrate on a few scoring threats. And they can hardly underestimate likes of Freeman either.
at the moment O connor is the kinda corner forward you carry foir free taking ability. he didnot look up to CHF at u 21 and is Definetly not yet up tp the role at Senior level. we have i believe the best nuber 11 in the country in Aidan o se but wheter we can release him from midfield is another story.
at least we should be able to experiment against the likes of sligo and maybe get a soft Quarter final in order to have our right best 15 and give the big boys a right good crack.
cork looked very vunerable when clare ran at them today and dublin are showing nothing.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 09, 2012, 01:02:04 AM
at the moment O connor is the kinda corner forward you carry foir free taking ability. he didnot look up to CHF at u 21 and is Definetly not yet up tp the role at Senior level. we have i believe the best nuber 11 in the country in Aidan o se but wheter we can release him from midfield is another story.
at least we should be able to experiment against the likes of sligo and maybe get a soft Quarter final in order to have our right best 15 and give the big boys a right good crack.
cork looked very vunerable when clare ran at them today and dublin are showing nothing.
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Aidan O'Shea is good but far from great. Cathal Cregg is many leagues a better 11 than O'Shea and we're not even going out of the province. In fact it's impossible to make the case he'd even make the best 11 on the Mayo team, with Andy being absolutely magnificent when playing the central play-making position. O'Shea kicks way too much wayward ball for a midfielder, let alone the position where precision passing is most essential.
Moysider, Conroy is definitely worth a starting spot when he is on his game, although you can probably say that about all our potential corner forward options to be honest. The problem is that none of them are doing it with any great consistency. The concern I have over Conroy is that he seems to go off the edge of a cliff completely if he misses a couple. Once his head is gone, you'd be as well playing with 14. If he could get that aspect out of his game I'd want him in there but for now I'm not convinced. I'd probably start the same two as last time against Sligo and keep Conroy and Conor as impact subs if needed (which they may well be).
Syferus, you're still banging on about Cathal Cregg. From what I've seen of the lad he's a hard working but limited player. Perhaps you'd be better eulogising about him on the Ros Tyrone thread. As regards the Connacht Final, my take on it is - if ye were any good ye'd be playing in it.
at least we should be able to experiment against the likes of sligo and maybe get a soft Quarter final in order to have our right best 15 and give the big boys a right good crack.
Thats the kind of talk that will motivate nobody but the opposition.
We should check the mayo boys for test tubes before the game.
Take note sligo we are obviously just considered a warm up for the AI quarter final.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 09, 2012, 06:27:16 AM
Moysider, Conroy is definitely worth a starting spot when he is on his game, although you can probably say that about all our potential corner forward options to be honest. The problem is that none of them are doing it with any great consistency. The concern I have over Conroy is that he seems to go off the edge of a cliff completely if he misses a couple. Once his head is gone, you'd be as well playing with 14. If he could get that aspect out of his game I'd want him in there but for now I'm not convinced. I'd probably start the same two as last time against Sligo and keep Conroy and Conor as impact subs if needed (which they may well be).
Syferus, you're still banging on about Cathal Cregg. From what I've seen of the lad he's a hard working but limited player. Perhaps you'd be better eulogising about him on the Ros Tyrone thread. As regards the Connacht Final, my take on it is - if ye were any good ye'd be playing in it.
I'd agree with all of that.
Horan seems to have more or less settled on his defence. I think our backs and goalie as good as you'll find anywhere. He has a number of options for some positions and could well put Vaughan out to midfield without unsettling the balance of his back division.
However, from there on he still got a lot of sorting out to do.
I am fairly confident that there will be no change in either personnel or position from the Leitrim game from number one to seven unless injury gets in the way. I wouldn't bet on who is going to wear a given number from there on.
Conroy is a gifted player but he does lack consistency. If the going gets tough, I can't see him digging in and keeping his cool. But I think the same could be said about everyone else bar Andy.
If Mayo gets off to a flying start, we'll see some fine forward play alight but if we are up against it and the game is slipping away, I can't see our forwards doing what Dublin did against Wexford and keep plugging away until the opposition finally cracks.
Looking forward to the game, best of luck to our lads,
Sidenote, i presuming the Rossies will be shouting for us aswell? Should be a big Sligo support... What the capacity of the Hyde for Sunday?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 09, 2012, 01:15:44 PM
i presuming the Rossies will be shouting for us aswell?
I'd say we won't be shouting for the rhus anyway :o, Andy Moran or no Andy Moran.
Capacity is supposedly 25000. Don't care who Rossies shout for to be honest. Their voices may be gone after seeing their minors win anyway! Looking forward to it now myself. Hopefully our seniors will be up to the task.
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
I promised myself I wouldn t get involved in a debate involving a few Mayo men between themselves.
A few things about you re replies above.
As somebody else has already pointed out Mulligan is a much better player than Costello or Brehony or anybody else I can think of that Sligo might play 11. My views on where Vaughan should be played have been well aired already.
McGarrity looked interested to me the last day but there might be questionmarks about his legs being shot. I d have no great preferance for Geraghty myself but I suspect he ll be chosen ahead of Gibbons again. I can t see how Leitrim changed anything. As regards fielding I m not sure Gibbons would give advantage there.
The Andy and O Connor placement is another thing. Clearly Horan wants Andy s ability to win hard ball inside and obviously doesn t think O Connor can do that job. The way we play Andy might be able to do a better job at 11 too but he cant play in both places. As for 11 being the point of attack that does not apply to Mayo - hasn t since McD wore 11 back in 06 (I d prefer not to delve into what Johnno was trying to achieve with Trevor or whover at 11 ::) ). So it shouldn t be new to you. It s been happening for some time. So what did or didn t work against Leitrim is debatable so you can t just assume that everybody wants Andy at 11. 11 doesn t matter that much in the way Mayo are trying to play. It s no more special than 10 or 12. . At least that is what I m seeing in games. I think it is more important to Horan that Andy can win ball inside and keep defences honest. O Connor s finishing ability is beyond question but his ability to win ball is an issue. At least I think Mayo management sees it that way.
And I was serious about the corner forwards and it s getting tiresome repeating stuff. Directly after the Leitrim game I wrote that Conroy created more with his first few touches than Doc had done in 50 mins. You must have missed that. Anybody that has read my posts knows that I would have Conroy as my no1 corner forward. But Horan sees it differently.
As you say they all seem to do better coming on. When Conroy came on the last day the game was over and the backs were out on their feet so it was a lot easier than for Doherty. Unfair to judge in those circumstances. But they all have different natural attributes and I think Horan is looking to get a balance that compliments his tactical opproach. I don t think we re playing a game that will see our full forward line score points heavily from play. They will get goal chances though by getting on the end of running moves.
Conor is Conoreen. I suspect he ll be continued to be used as impact.
Conroy. Most typical of the lot what we expect from a corner forward. Shows well, good hands, tricky and pacel and can score on his own.
Doherty. Fast. A bit of an assassin. Not great hands. Works very hard at closing down.
Freeman. Also very quick. Threat in the air if his eye is in. Can also be a lethal finisher. Can be brought further out and works hard to close down defenders.
O Connor. Could end up competing for a corner spot. Lethal finisher and consistently good for close and medium range frees.
At the minute I think Horan prefers to start with pace and workrate, combined with a flair for goal taking.
Spare me the old one about the main job of a corner forward and scoring and stuff. First of all it is not my team . I m just trying to see it from Horan s point of view. He can point to score board v Leitrim and I m sure he s happy enough with the spread of scores. As things stand opposition won t be able to concentrate on a few scoring threats. And they can hardly underestimate likes of Freeman either.
I dont mind having healthy debate with anyone! But one thing strikes me is how quiet Sligo are in the whole debate. They are either shitting themselves or are remaining quietly confident about next Sunday. I have a feeling they are shitting themselves though.
Yeah I was downplaying Mulligans quality a bit, he would be in the top 10 centre forwards in the country, but no way would he be in the top 5 so I expected more from Vaughan. Another thing that strikes me about him is that he takes a long time to get into a game, so maybe it would do him the world of good to know that he has to fight hard to keep his number 6.
I think you could be looking at McGarity with rose tinted glasses there; he was very poor when he came in against a very poor midfield. He misjudged a few kickouts which can happen, but he offered nothing. Could his legs be shot from what exactly? He is not exactly over fit or over training in recent months for his legs to be shot. Compare the shape he is in to Trevor Mortimor when he came back mid season.
11 is the centre point of attack for every team, and nobody can argue otherwise and not look foolish. When Dillon plays centre forward he links up the play and distributes ball into the FF line, as that's his job. Whether its Andy or O Con at centre forward thats their job too. Saying that style of play died with McD is bizarre. O Con is playing at 11 for his distribution ability, which is good, and also because he will win the odd free running at defences. However he is a better finisher and has a better eye for goal than any of Mayos full forward line. If you had Freeman on form at FF, winning high ball and primary possession with O Con engineering the space for himself and others and either Mort/Varley/Doc playing off him it would be more devastating than having Andy as the target man at FF. And as I mentioned Andy is a great break winner, is as-good at distributing and can kick huge points from distance – and he has proven all of that in the past. Also there are days that wont suit O Con, so I am not saying he is a definite starter every day either.
Lastly, a forwards primary job is to score, especially the full forward line. End of. Saying that Mayos primary attack comes from runs from deep is not the way I see it. Its about moving the ball quickly and getting it into the forwards with support. Otherwise Mayo are back to the running game that was played back in the 90's.
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The Mayo Senior Football team to face sligo for Connacht Senior Football Final will be announced on Wednesday at 1.30p.m
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 09, 2012, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
I promised myself I wouldn t get involved in a debate involving a few Mayo men between themselves.
A few things about you re replies above.
As somebody else has already pointed out Mulligan is a much better player than Costello or Brehony or anybody else I can think of that Sligo might play 11. My views on where Vaughan should be played have been well aired already.
McGarrity looked interested to me the last day but there might be questionmarks about his legs being shot. I d have no great preferance for Geraghty myself but I suspect he ll be chosen ahead of Gibbons again. I can t see how Leitrim changed anything. As regards fielding I m not sure Gibbons would give advantage there.
The Andy and O Connor placement is another thing. Clearly Horan wants Andy s ability to win hard ball inside and obviously doesn t think O Connor can do that job. The way we play Andy might be able to do a better job at 11 too but he cant play in both places. As for 11 being the point of attack that does not apply to Mayo - hasn t since McD wore 11 back in 06 (I d prefer not to delve into what Johnno was trying to achieve with Trevor or whover at 11 ::) ). So it shouldn t be new to you. It s been happening for some time. So what did or didn t work against Leitrim is debatable so you can t just assume that everybody wants Andy at 11. 11 doesn t matter that much in the way Mayo are trying to play. It s no more special than 10 or 12. . At least that is what I m seeing in games. I think it is more important to Horan that Andy can win ball inside and keep defences honest. O Connor s finishing ability is beyond question but his ability to win ball is an issue. At least I think Mayo management sees it that way.
And I was serious about the corner forwards and it s getting tiresome repeating stuff. Directly after the Leitrim game I wrote that Conroy created more with his first few touches than Doc had done in 50 mins. You must have missed that. Anybody that has read my posts knows that I would have Conroy as my no1 corner forward. But Horan sees it differently.
As you say they all seem to do better coming on. When Conroy came on the last day the game was over and the backs were out on their feet so it was a lot easier than for Doherty. Unfair to judge in those circumstances. But they all have different natural attributes and I think Horan is looking to get a balance that compliments his tactical opproach. I don t think we re playing a game that will see our full forward line score points heavily from play. They will get goal chances though by getting on the end of running moves.
Conor is Conoreen. I suspect he ll be continued to be used as impact.
Conroy. Most typical of the lot what we expect from a corner forward. Shows well, good hands, tricky and pacel and can score on his own.
Doherty. Fast. A bit of an assassin. Not great hands. Works very hard at closing down.
Freeman. Also very quick. Threat in the air if his eye is in. Can also be a lethal finisher. Can be brought further out and works hard to close down defenders.
O Connor. Could end up competing for a corner spot. Lethal finisher and consistently good for close and medium range frees.
At the minute I think Horan prefers to start with pace and workrate, combined with a flair for goal taking.
Spare me the old one about the main job of a corner forward and scoring and stuff. First of all it is not my team . I m just trying to see it from Horan s point of view. He can point to score board v Leitrim and I m sure he s happy enough with the spread of scores. As things stand opposition won t be able to concentrate on a few scoring threats. And they can hardly underestimate likes of Freeman either.
I dont mind having healthy debate with anyone! But one thing strikes me is how quiet Sligo are in the whole debate. They are either shitting themselves or are remaining quietly confident about next Sunday. I have a feeling they are shitting themselves though.
Yeah I was downplaying Mulligans quality a bit, he would be in the top 10 centre forwards in the country, but no way would he be in the top 5 so I expected more from Vaughan. Another thing that strikes me about him is that he takes a long time to get into a game, so maybe it would do him the world of good to know that he has to fight hard to keep his number 6.
I think you could be looking at McGarity with rose tinted glasses there; he was very poor when he came in against a very poor midfield. He misjudged a few kickouts which can happen, but he offered nothing. Could his legs be shot from what exactly? He is not exactly over fit or over training in recent months for his legs to be shot. Compare the shape he is in to Trevor Mortimor when he came back mid season.
11 is the centre point of attack for every team, and nobody can argue otherwise and not look foolish. When Dillon plays centre forward he links up the play and distributes ball into the FF line, as that's his job. Whether its Andy or O Con at centre forward thats their job too. Saying that style of play died with McD is bizarre. O Con is playing at 11 for his distribution ability, which is good, and also because he will win the odd free running at defences. However he is a better finisher and has a better eye for goal than any of Mayos full forward line. If you had Freeman on form at FF, winning high ball and primary possession with O Con engineering the space for himself and others and either Mort/Varley/Doc playing off him it would be more devastating than having Andy as the target man at FF. And as I mentioned Andy is a great break winner, is as-good at distributing and can kick huge points from distance – and he has proven all of that in the past. Also there are days that wont suit O Con, so I am not saying he is a definite starter every day either.
Lastly, a forwards primary job is to score, especially the full forward line. End of. Saying that Mayos primary attack comes from runs from deep is not the way I see it. Its about moving the ball quickly and getting it into the forwards with support. Otherwise Mayo are back to the running game that was played back in the 90's.
The bit in bold is grand and looks devastating on paper but I m not so sure it would work out in the heat of a championship match. Freeman/form/winning high ball is a leap of fauth for a start. 2 years ago he made a great start against a fullback who was past his best but once O Hara went back and played sweeper... ball burst. I think maybe Horan has seen kicking ball into likes of Doherty and Freeman as just turning over too much soft ball for the opposition to hurt us with.
You need to stop with this 11 stuff. There s more than one way to play and no 11 is not the centre point of every attack and not in Mayo now anyway. Runners are. If Dillon were a success as an orthodox liner/distributer 11 he would be left there but he usually ends up on the wing where he appears to find more space and be more effective. But a McGuigan/ Blaney/ Giles type- quarterback - playmaking 11 he never has been at county level. Neither do we have a Declan O Sullivan hard running type. But not to worry the 2 best teams out there Donegal and Cork dont play an old fashioned type 11 anymore either.
Maybe you have a vision of how you think the game should be played and who should be doing what. All I m saying is that Mayo are not appearing to be doin it that way. Maybe that is because the standard way was not working. Saying that the job of the full- forward line is to score primarily is all very well but what does the manager do when they are not scoring enough - and they were not scoring enough. Keep banging away with the same formula because its the 'right way' to do it. Imo Horan has abandoned the idea of kicking most ball into fullforward line and I d be surprised if he throws a big man in as target man unless its the last throw of the dice. Recent challenge matches suggest our main weapon is runners from deep to draw defenders and keep the ball in hand. Andy s fumblings the last day coupled with the successes from runs by Vaughan and Keegan and McLoughlin will only have strengthened that approach probably. Andy will probably be kept at 14 to vary it and his hands will probably be sharper the next day. Sometimes there is a difference between the way we d like to see a team develop and what is actually happening.
Not much point being hard on McGarrity. He s been working for six months to recover from injury/surgery and if he doesn t get there then it hasn t been for want of effort. If his legs are gone then they re gone. It happens.
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2012, 03:53:52 PM
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I didn't know 1989 was Mayo's first final appearance in 38 years.
I really think Sligo will get over the line in this one. Saw them training recently and they are flying.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 09, 2012, 02:27:36 PM
I dont mind having healthy debate with anyone! But one thing strikes me is how quiet Sligo are in the whole debate. They are either shitting themselves or are remaining quietly confident about next Sunday. I have a feeling they are shitting themselves though.
Met a fair few West Sligos over the weekend including a few xplayers. Their mood varied from hopeful to quiet confidence. There is an emphasis on 'quiet' though. Apparently the hype was savage before the 10 final and the team did not come out of the traps. While quiet I def get the impression that they are expecting to win this - which they should be of course. There will be no fear involved and being from near the border, with parentage from over as well, I ve always got the impression that there is damn all respect either. Not like say they would have for Galway or the bigger teams outside the province. Not that I care or complaining - just the way it is.
Throw in the considerable Rossie support and it ll be some bear pit for us - I expect us to be outnumbered. It is what we need. The 2010 defeat will ensure that there is no compacency and should be motivation if winning a provincial title isn t motivation enough. .
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 09, 2012, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 08, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
I promised myself I wouldn t get involved in a debate involving a few Mayo men between themselves.
A few things about you re replies above.
As somebody else has already pointed out Mulligan is a much better player than Costello or Brehony or anybody else I can think of that Sligo might play 11. My views on where Vaughan should be played have been well aired already.
McGarrity looked interested to me the last day but there might be questionmarks about his legs being shot. I d have no great preferance for Geraghty myself but I suspect he ll be chosen ahead of Gibbons again. I can t see how Leitrim changed anything. As regards fielding I m not sure Gibbons would give advantage there.
The Andy and O Connor placement is another thing. Clearly Horan wants Andy s ability to win hard ball inside and obviously doesn t think O Connor can do that job. The way we play Andy might be able to do a better job at 11 too but he cant play in both places. As for 11 being the point of attack that does not apply to Mayo - hasn t since McD wore 11 back in 06 (I d prefer not to delve into what Johnno was trying to achieve with Trevor or whover at 11 ::) ). So it shouldn t be new to you. It s been happening for some time. So what did or didn t work against Leitrim is debatable so you can t just assume that everybody wants Andy at 11. 11 doesn t matter that much in the way Mayo are trying to play. It s no more special than 10 or 12. . At least that is what I m seeing in games. I think it is more important to Horan that Andy can win ball inside and keep defences honest. O Connor s finishing ability is beyond question but his ability to win ball is an issue. At least I think Mayo management sees it that way.
And I was serious about the corner forwards and it s getting tiresome repeating stuff. Directly after the Leitrim game I wrote that Conroy created more with his first few touches than Doc had done in 50 mins. You must have missed that. Anybody that has read my posts knows that I would have Conroy as my no1 corner forward. But Horan sees it differently.
As you say they all seem to do better coming on. When Conroy came on the last day the game was over and the backs were out on their feet so it was a lot easier than for Doherty. Unfair to judge in those circumstances. But they all have different natural attributes and I think Horan is looking to get a balance that compliments his tactical opproach. I don t think we re playing a game that will see our full forward line score points heavily from play. They will get goal chances though by getting on the end of running moves.
Conor is Conoreen. I suspect he ll be continued to be used as impact.
Conroy. Most typical of the lot what we expect from a corner forward. Shows well, good hands, tricky and pacel and can score on his own.
Doherty. Fast. A bit of an assassin. Not great hands. Works very hard at closing down.
Freeman. Also very quick. Threat in the air if his eye is in. Can also be a lethal finisher. Can be brought further out and works hard to close down defenders.
O Connor. Could end up competing for a corner spot. Lethal finisher and consistently good for close and medium range frees.
At the minute I think Horan prefers to start with pace and workrate, combined with a flair for goal taking.
Spare me the old one about the main job of a corner forward and scoring and stuff. First of all it is not my team . I m just trying to see it from Horan s point of view. He can point to score board v Leitrim and I m sure he s happy enough with the spread of scores. As things stand opposition won t be able to concentrate on a few scoring threats. And they can hardly underestimate likes of Freeman either.
I dont mind having healthy debate with anyone! But one thing strikes me is how quiet Sligo are in the whole debate. They are either shitting themselves or are remaining quietly confident about next Sunday. I have a feeling they are shitting themselves though.Yeah I was downplaying Mulligans quality a bit, he would be in the top 10 centre forwards in the country, but no way would he be in the top 5 so I expected more from Vaughan. Another thing that strikes me about him is that he takes a long time to get into a game, so maybe it would do him the world of good to know that he has to fight hard to keep his number 6.
I think you could be looking at McGarity with rose tinted glasses there; he was very poor when he came in against a very poor midfield. He misjudged a few kickouts which can happen, but he offered nothing. Could his legs be shot from what exactly? He is not exactly over fit or over training in recent months for his legs to be shot. Compare the shape he is in to Trevor Mortimor when he came back mid season.
11 is the centre point of attack for every team, and nobody can argue otherwise and not look foolish. When Dillon plays centre forward he links up the play and distributes ball into the FF line, as that's his job. Whether its Andy or O Con at centre forward thats their job too. Saying that style of play died with McD is bizarre. O Con is playing at 11 for his distribution ability, which is good, and also because he will win the odd free running at defences. However he is a better finisher and has a better eye for goal than any of Mayos full forward line. If you had Freeman on form at FF, winning high ball and primary possession with O Con engineering the space for himself and others and either Mort/Varley/Doc playing off him it would be more devastating than having Andy as the target man at FF. And as I mentioned Andy is a great break winner, is as-good at distributing and can kick huge points from distance – and he has proven all of that in the past. Also there are days that wont suit O Con, so I am not saying he is a definite starter every day either.
Lastly, a forwards primary job is to score, especially the full forward line. End of. Saying that Mayos primary attack comes from runs from deep is not the way I see it. Its about moving the ball quickly and getting it into the forwards with support. Otherwise Mayo are back to the running game that was played back in the 90's.
You really believe that? Very much doubt they are, they've enought solid campaigners to be well up for it. Agree about Moran, no better man for breaking ball and with our first choice midfield still in the wings he'll be needed, Sligo have a good fielder in that McManus lad.
Quote from: ck on July 09, 2012, 04:55:49 PM
I really think Sligo will get over the line in this one. Saw them training recently and they are flying.
Now that s what I m talking about. I m getting similar vibes to before they beat us in 2010. Should I be getting the fear?
Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 04:34:03 PM
The bit in bold is grand and looks devastating on paper but I m not so sure it would work out in the heat of a championship match. Freeman/form/winning high ball is a leap of fauth for a start. 2 years ago he made a great start against a fullback who was past his best but once O Hara went back and played sweeper... ball burst. I think maybe Horan has seen kicking ball into likes of Doherty and Freeman as just turning over too much soft ball for the opposition to hurt us with.
You need to stop with this 11 stuff. There s more than one way to play and no 11 is not the centre point of every attack and not in Mayo now anyway. Runners are. If Dillon were a success as an orthodox liner/distributer 11 he would be left there but he usually ends up on the wing where he appears to find more space and be more effective. But a McGuigan/ Blaney/ Giles type- quarterback - playmaking 11 he never has been at county level. Neither do we have a Declan O Sullivan hard running type. But not to worry the 2 best teams out there Donegal and Cork dont play an old fashioned type 11 anymore either.
Maybe you have a vision of how you think the game should be played and who should be doing what. All I m saying is that Mayo are not appearing to be doin it that way. Maybe that is because the standard way was not working. Saying that the job of the full- forward line is to score primarily is all very well but what does the manager do when they are not scoring enough - and they were not scoring enough. Keep banging away with the same formula because its the 'right way' to do it. Imo Horan has abandoned the idea of kicking most ball into fullforward line and I d be surprised if he throws a big man in as target man unless its the last throw of the dice. Recent challenge matches suggest our main weapon is runners from deep to draw defenders and keep the ball in hand. Andy s fumblings the last day coupled with the successes from runs by Vaughan and Keegan and McLoughlin will only have strengthened that approach probably. Andy will probably be kept at 14 to vary it and his hands will probably be sharper the next day. Sometimes there is a difference between the way we d like to see a team develop and what is actually happening.
Not much point being hard on McGarrity. He s been working for six months to recover from injury/surgery and if he doesn t get there then it hasn t been for want of effort. If his legs are gone then they re gone. It happens.
I have a funny Feeling the likes of Freeman and a few more could shine and kick on with summer football. It will be interesting to see what they do with the full forward line against Sligo. It's those positions and maybe midfield and wing back that may be up for grabs.
Maybe I am too much of a purest regarding the 11 stuff, so ill draw a line under it until after the Sligo game as it will be an even tougher test for both players, against an arguably better defence. It will be the proof of the pudding, but I still think Mayo are wasting time the way it is currently picked.
Lastly, I might have a vision but in fairness nothing I have said is impossible to be implemented in the next game so I think I am fairly grounded. Its one thing predicting what Horan will do, and another thing discussing what is the right thing to do from this point on. If I went by my own tangent I would have Keith Higgins centre back, Vaughan perhaps to midfeild, maybe Shane McHale corner back, Aidan O Shea centre forward but I know that's an impossibility at this stage of the season.
Count yourself and everyone else lucky I spared ye those arguments ;)
Quote from: Mac2 on July 09, 2012, 04:59:40 PM
You really believe that? Very much doubt they are, they've enought solid campaigners to be well up for it. Agree about Moran, no better man for breaking ball and with our first choice midfield still in the wings he'll be needed, Sligo have a good fielder in that McManus lad.
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Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: ck on July 09, 2012, 04:55:49 PM
I really think Sligo will get over the line in this one. Saw them training recently and they are flying.
Now that s what I m talking about. I m getting similar vibes to before they beat us in 2010. Should I be getting the fear?
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Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 09, 2012, 05:03:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 04:34:03 PM
The bit in bold is grand and looks devastating on paper but I m not so sure it would work out in the heat of a championship match. Freeman/form/winning high ball is a leap of fauth for a start. 2 years ago he made a great start against a fullback who was past his best but once O Hara went back and played sweeper... ball burst. I think maybe Horan has seen kicking ball into likes of Doherty and Freeman as just turning over too much soft ball for the opposition to hurt us with.
You need to stop with this 11 stuff. There s more than one way to play and no 11 is not the centre point of every attack and not in Mayo now anyway. Runners are. If Dillon were a success as an orthodox liner/distributer 11 he would be left there but he usually ends up on the wing where he appears to find more space and be more effective. But a McGuigan/ Blaney/ Giles type- quarterback - playmaking 11 he never has been at county level. Neither do we have a Declan O Sullivan hard running type. But not to worry the 2 best teams out there Donegal and Cork dont play an old fashioned type 11 anymore either.
Maybe you have a vision of how you think the game should be played and who should be doing what. All I m saying is that Mayo are not appearing to be doin it that way. Maybe that is because the standard way was not working. Saying that the job of the full- forward line is to score primarily is all very well but what does the manager do when they are not scoring enough - and they were not scoring enough. Keep banging away with the same formula because its the 'right way' to do it. Imo Horan has abandoned the idea of kicking most ball into fullforward line and I d be surprised if he throws a big man in as target man unless its the last throw of the dice. Recent challenge matches suggest our main weapon is runners from deep to draw defenders and keep the ball in hand. Andy s fumblings the last day coupled with the successes from runs by Vaughan and Keegan and McLoughlin will only have strengthened that approach probably. Andy will probably be kept at 14 to vary it and his hands will probably be sharper the next day. Sometimes there is a difference between the way we d like to see a team develop and what is actually happening.
Not much point being hard on McGarrity. He s been working for six months to recover from injury/surgery and if he doesn t get there then it hasn t been for want of effort. If his legs are gone then they re gone. It happens.
I have a funny Feeling the likes of Freeman and a few more could shine and kick on with summer football. It will be interesting to see what they do with the full forward line against Sligo. It's those positions and maybe midfield and wing back that may be up for grabs.
Maybe I am too much of a purest regarding the 11 stuff, so ill draw a line under it until after the Sligo game as it will be an even tougher test for both players, against an arguably better defence. It will be the proof of the pudding, but I still think Mayo are wasting time the way it is currently picked.
Lastly, I might have a vision but in fairness nothing I have said is impossible to be implemented in the next game so I think I am fairly grounded. Its one thing predicting what Horan will do, and another thing discussing what is the right thing to do from this point on. If I went by my own tangent I would have Keith Higgins centre back, Vaughan perhaps to midfeild, maybe Shane McHale corner back, Aidan O Shea centre forward but I know that's an impossibility at this stage of the season.
Count yourself and everyone else lucky I spared ye those arguments ;)
On the contrary! I have been arguing for some of those developments for some time myself like Higgins 6 and Vaughan midfield. While I am trying to understand Horans approach to things it is not necessarily the way I would do it but it is a damn sight better than what was happening before and if it gets results then......
I also expect the team to develop/evolve if we stay in the championship for a few more games (we have 2 anyway). And most changes I d expect to be midfielders and forwards. Wednesday s selection might offer a clue to how management are going. But I wouldn t be surprised if we got a very similar 15 to started Leitrim game.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2012, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 09, 2012, 03:53:52 PM
http://blog.paddypower.com/2012/07/09/the-nearly-men-10-of-the-best-who-tried-but-failed/ (http://blog.paddypower.com/2012/07/09/the-nearly-men-10-of-the-best-who-tried-but-failed/)
I didn't know 1989 was Mayo's first final appearance in 38 years.
Bejaysus. Next you'll be telling us you don't know of the priest's curse, Captain!
Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
Met a fair few West Sligos over the weekend including a few xplayers. Their mood varied from hopeful to quiet confidence. There is an emphasis on 'quiet' though. Apparently the hype was savage before the 10 final and the team did not come out of the traps. While quiet I def get the impression that they are expecting to win this - which they should be of course. There will be no fear involved and being from near the border, with parentage from over as well, I ve always got the impression that there is damn all respect either. Not like say they would have for Galway or the bigger teams outside the province. Not that I care or complaining - just the way it is.
I am from a border club also and i don't detect a lack of respect for Mayo. How could there be, Mayo are reigning Connacht champions and Divison 1 league runners up and one of the favorites for the All Ireland. They are also a much different team from 2010. Mayo had many players missing that day and obviously had lost faith in their manager.
Having said that Sligo will embrace the underdog tag. The team were very flat for the majority of the game against Ross in 2010 and the manager got his tactics wrong as a result of a belief that the hard work was done in beating both Mayo and Galway. That will not happen on this occasion and if Mayo let their standards slip and a little over confident themselves we may have an opportunity of causing an upset.
Quote from: Mano on July 10, 2012, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
Met a fair few West Sligos over the weekend including a few xplayers. Their mood varied from hopeful to quiet confidence. There is an emphasis on 'quiet' though. Apparently the hype was savage before the 10 final and the team did not come out of the traps. While quiet I def get the impression that they are expecting to win this - which they should be of course. There will be no fear involved and being from near the border, with parentage from over as well, I ve always got the impression that there is damn all respect either. Not like say they would have for Galway or the bigger teams outside the province. Not that I care or complaining - just the way it is.
I am from a border club also and i don't detect a lack of respect for Mayo. How could there be, Mayo are reigning Connacht champions and Divison 1 league runners up and one of the favorites for the All Ireland. They are also a much different team from 2010. Mayo had many players missing that day and obviously had lost faith in their manager.
Having said that Sligo will embrace the underdog tag. The team were very flat for the majority of the game against Ross in 2010 and the manager got his tactics wrong as a result of a belief that the hard work was done in beating both Mayo and Galway. That will not happen on this occasion and if Mayo let their standards slip and a little over confident themselves we may have an opportunity of causing an upset.
Its not a lack of respect, its just in football terms we fcking hate ye.
I think the majority of Mayo people know/expect our 1-8 if all fit. After that there is some discussion. Most, if not all, would also feature Andy somewhere. Personally I'd add Dillon, McLoughlin and O'Connor (if properly fit) to that. In fact I think McLoughlin is the most underrated forward we have - consistent, hard working, wins ball, chips in with a couple of points, pacy.
The issues really revolve around where those 4 should play and who should take the 2 corner spots and the other midfield spot. Personally I'd have McLoughlin and Dillon at 10 and 12 as they seem to play their best football there. Andy is probably our best CF and best FF but can only play in one position. While I think he's more effective out the field but I think he might be more useful at 14 because of the game I think Horan is trying to play.
I think Horan is going for goals. Everything about his teams are set up for taking goals. It's been our Achilles heel for the last 15 yrs - a lack of goals and goal takers especially at crucial times in big games. Watch the drills the forwards will do in the warm up before the game on Sunday. They will do two in particular - roll on the ground and pop the ball up (this is for not losing the ball under pressure of 5 men) and the other will be a 2-on-3 goal taking session involving all the forwards at least twice. This is why he'll pick at least one from Doherty/Freeman in the corner spots. Conor for all his score taking ability down the years was never a great - even good - goal scorer, Conroy from what I've seen is similar.
Andy as has been pointed out is generally great at winning ball (better than O'Connor at this stage) and will be used to win the ball at FF and lay it off for Doherty/Freeman, or go himself, to get goals.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 10, 2012, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Mano on July 10, 2012, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
Met a fair few West Sligos over the weekend including a few xplayers. Their mood varied from hopeful to quiet confidence. There is an emphasis on 'quiet' though. Apparently the hype was savage before the 10 final and the team did not come out of the traps. While quiet I def get the impression that they are expecting to win this - which they should be of course. There will be no fear involved and being from near the border, with parentage from over as well, I ve always got the impression that there is damn all respect either. Not like say they would have for Galway or the bigger teams outside the province. Not that I care or complaining - just the way it is.
I am from a border club also and i don't detect a lack of respect for Mayo. How could there be, Mayo are reigning Connacht champions and Divison 1 league runners up and one of the favorites for the All Ireland. They are also a much different team from 2010. Mayo had many players missing that day and obviously had lost faith in their manager.
Having said that Sligo will embrace the underdog tag. The team were very flat for the majority of the game against Ross in 2010 and the manager got his tactics wrong as a result of a belief that the hard work was done in beating both Mayo and Galway. That will not happen on this occasion and if Mayo let their standards slip and a little over confident themselves we may have an opportunity of causing an upset.
Its not a lack of respect, its just in football terms we fcking hate ye.
Good man Sligonian hit the nail on the head with at last some refreshing honesty. I live on the border (the right side thank god ;D) and when it comes to football there is a fair old hatered amongst my Sligo friends of all things Mayo. I suppose it's similar to the Mayo Galway thing , in that I respect what Galway have achieved over the years and admired players like Joyce , Finnegan, Walsh etc... but deep down come championship time I still hate them. Maybe it's envy of their recent success in Croker or some perceived arrogance/cockiness on their part towards us due to our lack of success on the big day?
Getting back to the game I'd be happy enough if Horan stuck with the same fifteen that started against Letrim with maybe a switch of Freeman to CHF and C O' Connor to the corner forward. Realistically from what I've seen in the league and championship so far I don't expect Horan to do this. Hopefully we'll have one or both of the O'Shea brothers to come off the bench as I'm slightly worried about our midfield up against the current Sligo pairing!
Anyway to keep the flag of honesty flying started by Sligonian , the heart says Mayo to beat the living shite out of the men from bandit country by 30 pts but unfortunately the head says a much tighter affair with only a couple in it either way, maybe a draw!
A bit of news here from the Mayo news about the Mayo panel-
THE Mayo senior football team to play Sligo in next Sunday's Connacht's Final will be released to the general public tomorrow (Wednesday) at 1.30pm via the Mayo GAA twitter account.
The squad were put through their paces in a final 'A' v 'B' trial game on Sunday morning in Castlebar with Seamus O'Shea (groin), Peadar Gardiner (foot) and Aidan Campbell (hip) all sitting the practice match out due to injuries.
The Mayo News understands that all three will not be considered for selection for next weekend's game as a result of their respective problems, but Aidan O'Shea and Chris Barrett both lined out and are in contention for places in Mayo's 26-man squad.
Ballinrobe goalkeeper, Kenneth O'Malley, also looks set to be part of James Horan's panel next weekend after he was unexpectedly invited to return to training last Friday evening.
The 2006 All-Ireland U-21 winner was not involved in Mayo's championship squad last summer but has been recalled after Robert Hennelly's surprise decision to leave the panel two weeks ago due to work commitments.
Horan and his management team will finalise their team selection after a training session tonight (Tuesday) in Castlebar.
Among those believed to be pushing hard for inclusion are half-back Richie Feeney and inside forwards Conor Mortimer, Michael Conroy and Enda Varley.
Sligo, meanwhile, have some concerns over corner-forward, David Kelly, as they count down to their second provincial final in three years.
The Tubbercurry attacker has been nursing an ankle injury recently and Stephen Coen, who missed the semi-final win over Galway, is on standby to start in Kelly's absence.
Connacht GAA Council officials are expecting a crowd of approximately 20,000 people to attend next Sunday's double-header at Dr Hyde Park, Roscommon.
Why 1.30 tomorrow? Why not tonight?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 10, 2012, 01:37:16 PM
Why 1.30 tomorrow? Why not tonight?
I heard both teams were being announced at the same time on the respctive local radio stations. Is that it?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 10, 2012, 11:57:23 AM
Quote from: Mano on July 10, 2012, 09:14:54 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 09, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
Met a fair few West Sligos over the weekend including a few xplayers. Their mood varied from hopeful to quiet confidence. There is an emphasis on 'quiet' though. Apparently the hype was savage before the 10 final and the team did not come out of the traps. While quiet I def get the impression that they are expecting to win this - which they should be of course. There will be no fear involved and being from near the border, with parentage from over as well, I ve always got the impression that there is damn all respect either. Not like say they would have for Galway or the bigger teams outside the province. Not that I care or complaining - just the way it is.
I am from a border club also and i don't detect a lack of respect for Mayo. How could there be, Mayo are reigning Connacht champions and Divison 1 league runners up and one of the favorites for the All Ireland. They are also a much different team from 2010. Mayo had many players missing that day and obviously had lost faith in their manager.
Having said that Sligo will embrace the underdog tag. The team were very flat for the majority of the game against Ross in 2010 and the manager got his tactics wrong as a result of a belief that the hard work was done in beating both Mayo and Galway. That will not happen on this occasion and if Mayo let their standards slip and a little over confident themselves we may have an opportunity of causing an upset.
Its not a lack of respect, its just in football terms we fcking hate ye.
Mayo...Man United and Rovers...good job for Rovers or else you'd really hate me i tells ya! ;D
For the attention of Sligonians - I hear the road works around Tulsk are extended to 20 th July so ye'll be diverting by Strokestown or Frenchpark.
I hope the Gardai have a good traffic management plan in place as a lot of traffic will be coming into Tulsk from both directions
Has to be one of the deadest championship in years for Mayo. Jez, it's mid July and we have not had a real Championshp game yet (No disrespect to Leitrim). It's been a local sports journalists nightmare. You look around at the other counties and they have well tested the water. Keeping players motivated and sharp must be a nightmare. Keeping yourself (as a management team) motivated and sharp must be a nightmare.
Win, lose or draw (and a draw would not be a bad result with our cobwebs!) at least we'll be up on motoring on Sunday. Thanks be to God!
Kelly would be a huge loss as i dont think anyone has the pace to stay with him and will takw 2 to attempt to watch him. The ankle has been injured on and off for over a year which is a tough on him.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 10, 2012, 10:24:12 PM
Kelly would be a huge loss as i dont think anyone has the pace to stay with him and will takw 2 to attempt to watch him. The ankle has been injured on and off for over a year which is a tough on him.
Word is that kelly did not take any part in last weekend s challenge but he wouldn t, would he? Doesn t mean he wont start next Sunday. I suspect that they ll try to nurse him through the summer and try to have him for the championship matches.
Probably Keith Higgins will be detailed to mark him. Now Keith has the pace but probably not the instinct/ singlemindedness to contain him. I don t think there s a corner back in the country that would handle him. Except for maybe Eoin Cadogan who would just decapitate him while the ref stands idly by. There s a lad in the Mayo subs that would have the best chance of sticking to him. That s Michael Walsh. But that s not going to happen. Like Kevin McLoughlin a few years ago we have a habit in Mayo of leaving young fellas cooling their heels for a year before their trusted.
Anytime we go to the Hyde for big crowd matches we go cliffoney, sligo, roosky, lanesboro and avoid all the traffic, you barely see a car, its a bit longer and road isnt as good but no traffic. Sligeach abu..
No traffic...until now!! :)
Quote from: kevmy on July 10, 2012, 12:05:28 PM
I think the majority of Mayo people know/expect our 1-8 if all fit. After that there is some discussion. Most, if not all, would also feature Andy somewhere. Personally I'd add Dillon, McLoughlin and O'Connor (if properly fit) to that. In fact I think McLoughlin is the most underrated forward we have - consistent, hard working, wins ball, chips in with a couple of points, pacy.
The issues really revolve around where those 4 should play and who should take the 2 corner spots and the other midfield spot. Personally I'd have McLoughlin and Dillon at 10 and 12 as they seem to play their best football there. Andy is probably our best CF and best FF but can only play in one position. While I think he's more effective out the field but I think he might be more useful at 14 because of the game I think Horan is trying to play.
I think Horan is going for goals. Everything about his teams are set up for taking goals. It's been our Achilles heel for the last 15 yrs - a lack of goals and goal takers especially at crucial times in big games. Watch the drills the forwards will do in the warm up before the game on Sunday. They will do two in particular - roll on the ground and pop the ball up (this is for not losing the ball under pressure of 5 men) and the other will be a 2-on-3 goal taking session involving all the forwards at least twice. This is why he'll pick at least one from Doherty/Freeman in the corner spots. Conor for all his score taking ability down the years was never a great - even good - goal scorer, Conroy from what I've seen is similar.
Andy as has been pointed out is generally great at winning ball (better than O'Connor at this stage) and will be used to win the ball at FF and lay it off for Doherty/Freeman, or go himself, to get goals.
Funny you should say that, was sitting right behind the Mayo management in McHale Park v Leitrim and heard Horan descibe on more than one occassion close in points as missed goal opportunities. The tactic was obviously Moran as a target man/ball winner with Freeman and Doc playing outside the 21 to run off him. It didn't work 100% as intended due to Andy not having much joy with some of the early ball that came to him, it just wouldn't stick. What I also noted and heard in the 2nd half was Horan and Nallen making the decision to switch O'Connor and Moran's positions. I think Horan is well aware that Moran is his best 14 and 11, I'd just guess that he was seeing if O'Connor was an option at 11 for whenever he has to play Moran inside.
Kerchingg!!! Now people are gettin it. Well at least Bucko and kevmy are.
James Horan has made one change to the team which defeated Leitrim in the Connacht Football Championship Semi-Final with Enda Varley coming into the team at corner-forward replacing Alan Freeman. The Mayo Senior Football Team to face Sligo this Sunday 15th July at 2.00p.m. in the Connacht Senior Football Championship Final is as follows:
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Kevin Keane - Westport
3. Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
9. Danny Geraghty - Ballintubber
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
12. Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
13. Enda Varley - Garrymore
14. Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
15. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
James Horan - Manager
Cian O'Neill - Trainer
James Nallen - Runner
Tom Prendergast - Selector
Dr. Sean Moffat - Doctor
Caroline Brennan - Physio
Hope for Sligo ?
Last time they went to NY they won the Connacht Final in the Hyde.
Willie Hegarty in the Ros Herald says that Mayowestros have appeared in 10 NFL Finals since 1951 ( why did he pick that year ???) and have never won a Connacht title in any of those 10 years.
Sligo team:
Greene,Ewing,Martyn,Donovan,Harrison,Quinn,McGovern,McManus,Taylor,Costello,Hughes,Egan,Breheny,Marren,Kelly
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 11, 2012, 01:29:14 PM
James Horan has made one change to the team which defeated Leitrim in the Connacht Football Championship Semi-Final with Enda Varley coming into the team at corner-forward replacing Alan Freeman. The Mayo Senior Football Team to face Sligo this Sunday 15th July at 2.00p.m. in the Connacht Senior Football Championship Final is as follows:
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Kevin Keane - Westport
3. Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Lee Keegan - Westport
6. Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7. Colm Boyle - Davitts
8. Barry Moran - Castlebar Mitchels
9. Danny Geraghty - Ballintubber
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
12. Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
13. Enda Varley - Garrymore
14. Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen (Capt.)
15. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
James Horan - Manager
Cian O'Neill - Trainer
James Nallen - Runner
Tom Prendergast - Selector
Dr. Sean Moffat - Doctor
Caroline Brennan - Physio
I can't find much wrong with that.
1-7 was also going to be the same and 8-9 was also a pretty safe bet. Up front, Kevin Mac and O'Connor were napped for their positions and Andy/Cilliian were also odds on for the 11/14 shirts. This could have gone either way but both were going to get those positions.
That leaves only the CF places and, while he had a few names to play around with for them, I've no problem with his choices.
1
Philip Greene
St.John's
2
Neil Ewing
Drumcliffe/Rosses Point
3
Johnny Martyn
St.Mary's
4
Ross Donovan
Eastern Harps
(Capt)
5
Charles Harrison
St.John's
6
Mark Quinn
St. Molaise Gaels
7
Paul McGovern
Eastern Harps
8
Shane McManus
Geevagh
9
Tony Taylor
Eastern Harps
10
Alan Costello
Coolera/Strandhill
11
Pat Hughes
Geevagh
12
Brendan Egan
Tourlestrane
13
Mark Breheny
St.Mary's
14
Adrian Marren
Curry
15
David Kelly
Tubbercurry
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Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 06, 2012, 10:11:20 PM
Very hard to get excited about the Connacht Final reading this thread. Heaven help us.
Poor lad.
You're perched on the edge of this thread like a fuckin jackdaw
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 11, 2012, 05:32:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 06, 2012, 10:15:58 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on July 06, 2012, 10:11:20 PM
Very hard to get excited about the Connacht Final reading this thread. Heaven help us.
Poor lad.
You're perched on the edge of this thread like a fuckin jackdaw
I think you'll find I'm the referee in the middle of the pitch. It is our pitch, after all. :-X
Mort has apparently left the panel, wasn't at training last night. Thought my mate was joking when he told me but seen it on TV3 news there.
John Fogarty of the Examiner tweeted this- ''Conor Mortimer has left the Mayo panel for personal reasons. Full story in tomorrow's Examiner''
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 11, 2012, 05:55:08 PM
Mort has apparently left the panel, wasn't at training last night. Thought my mate was joking when he told me but seen it on TV3 news there.
All is not rosy in the Mayo garden if one of their most experienced players walks off the panel days before a final.
http://www.joe.ie/gaa/hospital-pass/has-the-mort-left-the-mayo-panel-0026779-1 (http://www.joe.ie/gaa/hospital-pass/has-the-mort-left-the-mayo-panel-0026779-1)
Seems to be Hearsay so far. If he has left, it's a bad time to leave a panel when things are only begining to get going! He may not be starting games, but he's likely to get a run. For the sake of five or six weeks (if we are lucky), he should have stuck it out.
https://twitter.com/JohnFogartyIrl (https://twitter.com/JohnFogartyIrl)
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Does the Thriller have a Rossie uncle? :D
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
+1
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 11, 2012, 05:55:08 PM
Mort has apparently left the panel, wasn't at training last night. Thought my mate was joking when he told me but seen it on TV3 news there.
McGeeney must have been in touch.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 11, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
+1
Conor does like the limelight however he's Mayo all time top scorer while it doesn't make sense why forwards that didn't score v Leitrim are getting selected ahead off him?
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 11, 2012, 07:01:39 PM
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Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
+1
Conor does like the limelight however he's Mayo all time top scorer while it doesn't make sense why forwards that didn't score v Leitrim are getting selected ahead off him?
It's a system thing! And Conor (or Conroy) don't fit into it. Both are good footballers and decent forwards, but the system that Horan and co desire finds it hard to accommodate them.
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
Which may be no bad thing, taking pressure off team etc??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 11, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
Which may be no bad thing, taking pressure off team etc??
I'd say it puts pressure on the team. Have a look at the Seanie Johnston soapbox, Kildare weren't fully focused when they faced Meath last weekend.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 11, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
Which may be no bad thing, taking pressure off team etc??
Could not see there being much pressure on Mayo this weekend. Most if not all have played in Connacht finals and there would not be a fear of Sligo. If anything stuff like this brings unwanted questioning and affects focus.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 11, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 11, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
Which may be no bad thing, taking pressure off team etc??
Could not see there being much pressure on Mayo this weekend. Most if not all have played in Connacht finals and there would not be a fear of Sligo. If anything stuff like this brings unwanted questioning and affects focus.
And not that Conor gave a shite about that it would appear. That s the annoying thing.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 11, 2012, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 11, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
Which may be no bad thing, taking pressure off team etc??
I'd say it puts pressure on the team. Have a look at the Seanie Johnston soapbox, Kildare weren't fully focused when they faced Meath last weekend.
Ah Jaysus, I was getting my hopes up there for a min!
Quote from: ballinaman on July 11, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
+1
Good Riddance to him, if this is his attitude off with him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 11, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 11, 2012, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 11, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
+1
Conor does like the limelight however he's Mayo all time top scorer while it doesn't make sense why forwards that didn't score v Leitrim are getting selected ahead off him?
It's a system thing! And Conor (or Conroy) don't fit into it. Both are good footballers and decent forwards, but the system that Horan and co desire finds it hard to accommodate them.
I'd agree with that. Conor has been like a fish out of water since he returned.from injury.
He came back looking fitter than I've ever seen him and he was prepared to harass and track back and put himself about like never before but he just didn't fit in.
He was guilty of some very poor shooting, in the league final in particular. I thought he had lost his coolness under pressure with used to be his hallmark.
It's a pity to see him go as he could be very effective when conditions were to his liking but it seems he wasn't prepared to dig in and fight for a place.
Haven't been on here in ages but always following the threads.Shocked that mort has left the panel a few days before the final.2 players leaving the panel in a week is not a great sign . i know there wasn't a lot said about Hennelly leaving the panel but Mort leaving seems to indicate that all is not well in the squad . Like all footballers he wan't happy not to be playing, as others have said i was impressed with him since he came back from injury bar the national league final when he didn't get a lookin.When is the last time Mayo played a game without a mort in the squad.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2012, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 11, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 11, 2012, 07:01:39 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 11, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 11, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
RTE has it now
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/0711/328836-zz/
Away with him. It always had to be about Conor.
Again this impeccably timed 'gesture' puts him back into the limelight.
+1
Conor does like the limelight however he's Mayo all time top scorer while it doesn't make sense why forwards that didn't score v Leitrim are getting selected ahead off him?
It's a system thing! And Conor (or Conroy) don't fit into it. Both are good footballers and decent forwards, but the system that Horan and co desire finds it hard to accommodate them.
I'd agree with that. Conor has been like a fish out of water since he returned.from injury.
He came back looking fitter than I've ever seen him and he was prepared to harass and track back and put himself about like never before but he just didn't fit in.
He was guilty of some very poor shooting, in the league final in particular. I thought he had lost his coolness under pressure with used to be his hallmark.
It's a pity to see him go as he could be very effective when conditions were to his liking but it seems he wasn't prepared to dig in and fight for a place.
Whatever about him not starting we have a depleted bench for his departure. The ff line selected surprises me. If our running game is sussed I cannot see that ff line doing a lot on their own. On paper that would be one of the least scariest ff lines about.
Disappointed to see Mort go but in the end, it's his decision. Obviously he didn't have the enthusiasm for putting in the time to be warming the bench. I think he would have def got some game time if he had stuck around, the two corner positions are far from nailed down.
Best of luck to him though, he's given a huge amount to Mayo football and maybe he'll be back at some stage
A silly boy who never grew up. Could have been useful off the bench on Sunday but if that's his attitude, f**k him.
Regarding two players leaving the panel this week it's probably worth pointing out that both would be quite individualistic limelight seeking players and both have been frozen out of the team this year. You couldnt imagine either Hennelly or Mort being comfortable getting arse splinters on the bench. The fact that they're both based in Dublin probably sealed the deal for them.
It's a team game and I'm not sure either player has put the team ahead of themselves during their time on the Mayo panel.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 11, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Disappointed to see Mort go but in the end, it's his decision. Obviously he didn't have the enthusiasm for putting in the time to be warming the bench. I think he would have def got some game time if he had stuck around, the two corner positions are far from nailed down.
Best of luck to him though, he's given a huge amount to Mayo football and maybe he'll be back at some stage
I doubt it and if it is a case of him throwing the toys out of the pram he should never be taken back.
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 11, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Disappointed to see Mort go but in the end, it's his decision. Obviously he didn't have the enthusiasm for putting in the time to be warming the bench. I think he would have def got some game time if he had stuck around, the two corner positions are far from nailed down.
Best of luck to him though, he's given a huge amount to Mayo football and maybe he'll be back at some stage
I doubt it and if it is a case of him throwing the toys out of the pram he should never be taken back.
+1
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 11, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
A silly boy who never grew up. Could have been useful off the bench on Sunday but if that's his attitude, f**k him.
Regarding two players leaving the panel this week it's probably worth pointing out that both would be quite individualistic limelight seeking players and both have been frozen out of the team this year. You couldnt imagine either Hennelly or Mort being comfortable getting arse splinters on the bench. The fact that they're both based in Dublin probably sealed the deal for them.
It's a team game and I'm not sure either player has put the team ahead of themselves during their time on the Mayo panel.
A very annoying development on another thread is that Conor aparently had informed certain 'confidants' in the media of his intentions to quit, if not starting v Sligo, last week. Apparently his intentions were known in pressboxes last weekend. For a lad that loves the limelight he s just gone and cut his umbilical cord to whatever recognition he was getting. His mates in the media will move on. Nothing to see here anymore.
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 11, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Disappointed to see Mort go but in the end, it's his decision. Obviously he didn't have the enthusiasm for putting in the time to be warming the bench. I think he would have def got some game time if he had stuck around, the two corner positions are far from nailed down.
Best of luck to him though, he's given a huge amount to Mayo football and maybe he'll be back at some stage
I doubt it and if it is a case of him throwing the toys out of the pram he should never be taken back.
Ah, its done. He's gone for now. So it's back to concentrating on those still on board. Remember these lads offer their services free of charge and give up their own free time. There is no contract broken. They don't owe anybody anything, bar a courteous statement when leaving.
Very disappointed with Mortimers decision on this. The timing is way off. Mortimer leaving the panel on the day the team is named for a Connacht final.
I really taught after been out last year he finally realised that he needs Mayo football a lot more then it needs him. Obviously not and the Mort still feels its all about him. Well Conor it aint. Roll on Sunday and look forward to watching the men in green and red who want to play for the county
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 11, 2012, 10:46:55 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 11, 2012, 10:28:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 11, 2012, 10:18:13 PM
Disappointed to see Mort go but in the end, it's his decision. Obviously he didn't have the enthusiasm for putting in the time to be warming the bench. I think he would have def got some game time if he had stuck around, the two corner positions are far from nailed down.
Best of luck to him though, he's given a huge amount to Mayo football and maybe he'll be back at some stage
I doubt it and if it is a case of him throwing the toys out of the pram he should never be taken back.
Ah, its done. He's gone for now. So it's back to concentrating on those still on board. Remember these lads offer their services free of charge and give up their own free time. There is no contract broken. They don't owe anybody anything, bar a courteous statement when leaving.
Sorry Bunker, cannot agree with you.
Gone for now? He s gone and good luck to him. He fucked away the jersey before and we forgave him ( not forgot) but he should have grown up by now. He hasn t obviously.
As regards contract. He has broken a contract of trust anyway. He s let down a lot of people with this move. Why did he bother coming back? Assuming he would start everything? If that s his mindset ........... He has some ego obviously but he ll soon realise that he s cut off his nose to spite his face. Now that he s no longer a player nobody ll give a shite about him.
Interesting ...
He's obviously not a man that likes the sub bench, but then again I don't know too many that do.
My suspicion is that Horan and some of the players will be happy he's no longer around if he's seen as a cancer to morale. I think this make Mayo a scarier proposition than before.
I'm still hoping for a big performance from our boys and hopefully we can keep it close at least.
Does any of the sligo boys know the story with O'Hara, is he a possibility in a pinch??
Losing a classy forward who is in good form is never a positive. Watch the I told you so's emanating from every corner of the country if Mayo lose on Sunday, in the quarters, hell, in any game this year by a couple points.
Don't let personal distaste disguise the fact this doesn't help anyone but the teams playing against Mayo.
Confident Mayo match poster.
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I've put together a tactical preview for anyone interested
http://action81.com/blog/?p=5968
Its Div 1 v 3. Thats all the analysis needed.
One man's stupidity is another man's opportunity.
So who got into the panel instead of Conor?
Quote from: highorlow on July 12, 2012, 09:34:15 AM
One man's stupidity is another man's opportunity.
So who got into the panel instead of Conor?
Ciaran Mac ;)
Ciaran Mac ;)
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would that not be the ultimate PR stunt from Horan to bring back McDonald now? deflect all the mort stuff away & have the fans creaming for 10 mins of McDonald at the end. We should win regardless but a stunt like this could be perfect for everyone(McDonald got 9 points in his last championship match).
QuoteCiaran Mac
Jesus. Start a new thread!
Quote from: holly11 on July 12, 2012, 10:17:59 AM
Ciaran Mac ;)
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would that not be the ultimate PR stunt from Horan to bring back McDonald now? deflect all the mort stuff away & have the fans creaming for 10 mins of McDonald at the end. We should win regardless but a stunt like this could be perfect for everyone(McDonald got 9 points in his last championship match).
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Well leaving aside the fact my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I mentioned him , I recently had the pleasure of watching him in action for Crossmolina and at that level he is still flying but when looking at his performances in a ruthless manner it's his outrageous natural ability that keeps him on top and I would fear he couldn't win any posession in a intercounty match. Also Horan seems intent on building a real close hard working panel and while Mac would command huge respect and sufficent workrate it's his instinctive almost maverick stlye that probably wouldn't suit the currrent game plan. Also it would take from the man's mistique if he came back now , it would be a bit like if The Stone Roses decided to get back together ;D
I cant believe the ungracious attitude here Towards a man that has given the best part of Ten years to that mayo team. Our top scoring player of all time. we were lucky to have him as long as we did.
If the the keyboard warriors on here had half the passion for the mayo football team that Mortimer has shown we be in a much happier state,
he had his own reasons for Leaving the panel for now and in truth much of the the decision comes down to Horans consistent non selection of him He obvioulsy didn't fancy hime as a player. and its any decisions like this that horan's management career will live and die by.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 12, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
I cant believe the ungracious attitude here Towards a man that has given the best part of Ten years to that mayo team. Our top scoring player of all time. we were lucky to have him as long as we did.
If the the keyboard warriors on here had half the passion for the mayo football team that Mortimer has shown we be in a much happier state,
he had his own reasons for Leaving the panel for now and in truth much of the the decision comes down to Horans consistent non selection of him He obvioulsy didn't fancy hime as a player. and its any decisions like this that horan's management career will live and die by.
How do you mean ros? What were his own reasons?
Freeman and Conroy have more reasons to be aggrieved than Mort. Expect both to prove a point when introduced on Sunday.
Hope Sligo give us a good game - starting so late in the year we need to get up to speed quickly. The Leitrim game was a non-event.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2012, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 12, 2012, 10:31:44 AM
I cant believe the ungracious attitude here Towards a man that has given the best part of Ten years to that mayo team. Our top scoring player of all time. we were lucky to have him as long as we did.
If the the keyboard warriors on here had half the passion for the mayo football team that Mortimer has shown we be in a much happier state,
he had his own reasons for Leaving the panel for now and in truth much of the the decision comes down to Horans consistent non selection of him He obvioulsy didn't fancy hime as a player. and its any decisions like this that horan's management career will live and die by.
How do you mean ros? What were his own reasons?
By that i mean exactly what i say . i have no inside knowledge not claim to , but he made up his mind taking all things in to account , living situation employment Travel personal relationships . relationships with Management ect and balance that with being an intercounty footballer and all that entailes .
for 11 years or so hes decided its worth it now he doesnt,
Hes done more than enough for us to respect his decision.
the level of abuse he is getting is makes me thing people are just letting ther predjudices vent .
he alway presented himself in a different manner to most players but always produced the goods. He has shown that you dont have to be a 6' 2'' dullard to play football. im thinking about the cork team in particular all top top class footballers but no one want to see them , most of all cork people, the GAA would die a rapid death if all teams had their personality.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 12, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
By that i mean exactly what i say . i have no inside knowledge not claim to , but he made up his mind taking all things in to account , living situation employment Travel personal relationships . relationships with Management ect and balance that with being an intercounty footballer and all that entailes .
for 11 years or so hes decided its worth it now he doesnt,
Hes done more than enough for us to respect his decision.
the level of abuse he is getting is makes me thing people are just letting ther predjudices vent .
Stop posting rubbish about something you know nothing about.
He is a self-centred and selfish little sh!t and is loving all this attention.
What kind of team player walks out of a squad 4 days before a Connacht Final?
What does that say for his regard for the players on the team, and the amount he cares if it upsets them before a Connacht final?
What does that say about his willingness to be a team player and not a pre-Madonna?
I would give him a running shoe in the hole on the way out of the dressing-room.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 12, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
he alway presented himself in a different manner to most players but always produced the goods. He has shown that you dont have to be a 6' 2'' dullard to play football. im thinking about the cork team in particular all top top class footballers but no one want to see them , most of all cork people, the GAA would die a rapid death if all teams had their personality.
More rubbish about always producing the goods - he never had ONE good performance in Croke Park, where it matters. He rarely did damn all from play against any decent defender. Ill never forget Pat McEnaney waving at him to get up off the ground as he dived about looking for frees in Croke Park.
If I was taking tap-over frees for 10 years for Mayo I would be damn close to being their top scorer too.
If this doesn't rise the Mayo players on Sunday nothing will.
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Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 12, 2012, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 12, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
By that i mean exactly what i say . i have no inside knowledge not claim to , but he made up his mind taking all things in to account , living situation employment Travel personal relationships . relationships with Management ect and balance that with being an intercounty footballer and all that entailes .
for 11 years or so hes decided its worth it now he doesnt,
Hes done more than enough for us to respect his decision.
the level of abuse he is getting is makes me thing people are just letting ther predjudices vent .
Stop posting rubbish about something you know nothing about.
He is a self-centred and selfish little sh!t and is loving all this attention.
What kind of team player walks out of a squad 4 days before a Connacht Final?
What does that say for his regard for the players on the team, and the amount he cares if it upsets them before a Connacht final?
What does that say about his willingness to be a team player and not a pre-Madonna?
I would give him a running shoe in the hole on the way out of the dressing-room.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 12, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
he alway presented himself in a different manner to most players but always produced the goods. He has shown that you dont have to be a 6' 2'' dullard to play football. im thinking about the cork team in particular all top top class footballers but no one want to see them , most of all cork people, the GAA would die a rapid death if all teams had their personality.
More rubbish about always producing the goods - he never had ONE good performance in Croke Park, where it matters. He rarely did damn all from play against any decent defender. Ill never forget Pat McEnaney waving at him to get up off the ground as he dived about looking for frees in Croke Park.
If I was taking tap-over frees for 10 years for Mayo I would be damn close to being their top scorer too.
If this doesn't rise the Mayo players on Sunday nothing will.
i think the comes under the definition of QED.
Quote from: holly11 on July 12, 2012, 10:17:59 AM
Ciaran Mac ;)
would that not be the ultimate PR stunt from Horan to
bring back McDonald now? deflect all the mort stuff away & have the fans creaming for 10 mins of McDonald at the end. We should win regardless but a stunt like this could be perfect for everyone(McDonald got 9 points in his last championship match).
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Jeez,Whos next???....Jinkin Joe to try and get his record back???Verbal diarrhea has infested the board
Here s a nice piece about one of the rare Connacht finals between the two sides.
http://www.spailpin.blogspot.ie/
Quote from: holly11 on July 12, 2012, 10:17:59 AM
Ciaran Mac ;)
would that not be the ultimate PR stunt from Horan to bring back McDonald now? deflect all the mort stuff away & have the fans creaming for 10 mins of McDonald at the end. We should win regardless but a stunt like this could be perfect for everyone(McDonald got 9 points in his last championship match).
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He's 37! Yeah, it would make some circus outta the situation. Maybe we could bring Enda Sheehy in aswell! :o
Listening to mid west there and the Mortimer family have released a statement practically saying that he felt Horan had a disliking towards him and that he never contacted him when recovering from injury last year and when James was informed Conor was playing a club game he didn't bother showing up to see him. It also seems conor feels Horan had a disliking towards his former club Shrule saying that how there was no Shrule players n the panel on anymore. He also said that every time he was dropped he was told they were trying out a different game plan and in the end he lost his confidence. That was the general gist of it anyway.
I can't seem to find a written statement any were.
The word on the street is that Patrick Harte is out with a broken foot. That would rule him out for the Summer. He s had a ridiculous run of injuries.
The ould bench is thinning out.
Hello, first post.
McDonald is probably a non starter for lots of reasons, i doubt he has any desire to return to the panel for a start, he was shamefully treated by the fg man and co.
He is still well able for county though, 37 or not. Man of the match performance last championship outing for Crosmollina, scoring nine points.
Back to the game in hand, Mayo should have too much for Sligo. I tend to think people are making too much of the Galway game (collapse) , they were brutal, still can't get my head around it tbh, rampant against Roscommon , then fall apart against a slightly more intense Sligo.
Mayo should not underestimate Sligo(like i am) though, hit them hard and fast and don't give them a chance to get their tail up at all, you would imagine we should be capable.
Don't fancy the chances of our minors, didn't look strong the last day and Ross brushed us aside in minor league too.
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 12, 2012, 10:21:47 PM
Listening to mid west there and the Mortimer family have released a statement practically saying that he felt Horan had a disliking towards him and that he never contacted him when recovering from injury last year and when James was informed Conor was playing a club game he didn't bother showing up to see him. It also seems conor feels Horan had a disliking towards his former club Shrule saying that how there was no Shrule players n the panel on anymore. He also said that every time he was dropped he was told they were trying out a different game plan and in the end he lost his confidence. That was the general gist of it anyway.
I can't seem to find a written statement any were.
Jeez..has he not made enough of a mess of things....."Horan had a disliking towards his former club Shrule" PLEEEEASE!
So can we read from that,that when Jason Gibbons saw RMcG go on against Leitrim after a few weeks of training, it may have been a case of James"disliking Ballintubber"???
Quote from: sans pessimism on July 12, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 12, 2012, 10:21:47 PM
Listening to mid west there and the Mortimer family have released a statement practically saying that he felt Horan had a disliking towards him and that he never contacted him when recovering from injury last year and when James was informed Conor was playing a club game he didn't bother showing up to see him. It also seems conor feels Horan had a disliking towards his former club Shrule saying that how there was no Shrule players n the panel on anymore. He also said that every time he was dropped he was told they were trying out a different game plan and in the end he lost his confidence. That was the general gist of it anyway.
I can't seem to find a written statement any were.
Jeez..has he not made enough of a mess of things....."Horan had a disliking towards his former club Shrule" PLEEEEASE!
So can we read from that,that when Jason Gibbons saw RMcG go on against Leitrim after a few weeks of training, it may have been a case of James"disliking Ballintubber"???
In Conor's defence I was typing and listening to the radio at the same time so I may have picked things up wrong this is just MY gist of the statement.
This was a statement released by his family, NOT Conor and they did not say directly say he felt Horan had a disliking towards his former this was the vibe
I was getting.
I can't to find a written statement of this as it was Conor's father who rang in, but midwest might upload it later to there website later.
I know horan put a lot of shrule noses out of joint after his appointment due to a misunderstanding of sorts. He wasn't very complimentary to them, so maybe that's where the perceived slight is coming from on the shrule point of view. Conor certainly divides opinion, i think he once commented that mayo wouldn't will an all Ireland without him, looks like we will have to now
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 12, 2012, 12:27:35 PM
he never had ONE good performance in Croke Park, where it matters. He rarely did damn all from play against any decent defender.
Was the last minute free to level against Laois not in Croker? And when you talk about "handy 10 metre frees", you should go back and have a look at the Galway game last year and see how we got on that day without a freetaker.
Conor had his limitations - personally I think one of his major faults was that he had to take a couple of touches before shooting at which point he was swallowed up - but regardless of how good or bad you think he was, he was good enough to make the team under multiple managers and his scoring record will stand until someone better / more consistent comes along.
The confidence of the mayo posters is growing each day I see as we near the final. I can understand why they are so confident and they should be.
I think a lot depends on how Sligo plays on the day, when we hit our stride we can match any team, but when we are bad we can be brutal.
Let's home the in form Sligo team shows up and catches an over confident mayo camp on the hop...
I'm not particularly confident having seen the midfield we've selected. Barry Moran's display against a non-existant Leitrim midfield disguises his and our limitations in this area without an on form Aidan O'Shea in the starting 15.
We're favourites and rightly so (although the odds should be much closer than they are) but Sligo are well capable of beating us and I won't be at all surprised if they do just that on Sunday.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
The confidence of the mayo posters is growing each day I see as we near the final. I can understand why they are so confident and they should be.
I think a lot depends on how Sligo plays on the day, when we hit our stride we can match any team, but when we are bad we can be brutal.
Let's home the in form Sligo team shows up and catches an over confident mayo camp on the hop...
I think that's the formula for nuclear reactions.
Quote from: seanog on July 12, 2012, 10:30:40 PM
Hello, first post.
McDonald is probably a non starter for lots of reasons, i doubt he has any desire to return to the panel for a start, he was shamefully treated by the fg man and co.
He is still well able for county though, 37 or not. Man of the match performance last championship outing for Crosmollina, scoring nine points.
Back to the game in hand, Mayo should have too much for Sligo. I tend to think people are making too much of the Galway game (collapse) , they were brutal, still can't get my head around it tbh, rampant against Roscommon , then fall apart against a slightly more intense Sligo.
Mayo should not underestimate Sligo(like i am) though, hit them hard and fast and don't give them a chance to get their tail up at all, you would imagine we should be capable.
Don't fancy the chances of our minors, didn't look strong the last day and Ross brushed us aside in minor league too.
Welcome to the Board Seanog. Be consistent in what you believe in and do your best not to rise to any bait and you'll find this place is mighty crack. Hope you enjoy it here.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
The confidence of the mayo posters is growing each day I see as we near the final. I can understand why they are so confident and they should be.
I think a lot depends on how Sligo plays on the day, when we hit our stride we can match any team, but when we are bad we can be brutal.
Let's home the in form Sligo team shows up and catches an over confident mayo camp on the hop...
What kind of shite talk is that ::) You obviously pick out the select wind up merchants. Go back and read the stuff again and quit the attempted spin. You re doing your own cred no good at all by trying to set us up for a fall that few of us are gearing up for.
An overconfident camp is in your imagination. Let s deal with reality ffs. This thread has been a mess. No debate. At least a few Mayos tried to engage with selection and tactics. What have you and your county posters done? Ye haven t gone away.
You re last post is an affront to the majority of Mayo football people I would confidently say. We ve had to put up with this shite for years. Mayo s mindset is not our own it seems. It s what Sligo, Roscommon,Galway folk and whoever thinks our mindset is or they would like it to be ::). Grow up.
Look it, it is a Connacht final. If Mayo do win it will be by a point or 2. Likewise Sligo. I for one am worried Mortimer's scenario might be played upon by the Sligo management. They will be happy a Mayo scoring option has quit, with a few days to go. Their players may sense relief of sorts and pull a performance out of the bag to cause what everyone else (apart from knowlgeable Mayo folk an upset). Likewise Mayo may pull togetherand produce a big performance to win the game. I hope they do, but am far from complacent or cocky.
Exactly.....how any person from Mayo could be complacent or cocky is beyond me, jeeze...we've had our fair share of bate'ns down through the years....Leitrim, Westmeath,Longford and Sligo x 2 in recent history...not to mention getting out Ennis and the Hyde with skin of teeth wins over Tipp and Limerick too.
So I expect nothing less than to be put through the ringer on Sunday with Mayo, but sure feck it....we wouldn't have it any other way would we?
Quote from: moysider on July 12, 2012, 10:23:55 PM
The word on the street is that Patrick Harte is out with a broken foot. That would rule him out for the Summer. He s had a ridiculous run of injuries.
The ould bench is thinning out.
Metatarsal, broken jumping out of his jeep.
What's Aidan O Se's fitness like? Will he see a few minutes I wonder?
Hartey is a huge loss, and was always a guy you could bring in to midfield or the half forwards.
The problem with the whole "M" saga is that its putting huge pressure on Doc and Varley and the rest of the team.
It will either make Mayo or break Mayo. It all depends on the reaction of the players.
My blood is boiling about the whole thing, so the players must be leapin.
EDIT:
I also see that Sligo have named Tony Taylor midfield, adding a touch of experience to the middle
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 12:09:55 AM
The confidence of the mayo posters is growing each day I see as we near the final. I can understand why they are so confident and they should be.
I think a lot depends on how Sligo plays on the day, when we hit our stride we can match any team, but when we are bad we can be brutal.
Let's home the in form Sligo team shows up and catches an over confident mayo camp on the hop...
Hey Sligoman2 I think your post reflects why Sligo haven't beaten us more over the years. You should be talking about the positives and momentum your team has at the moment and not praying that Mayo would be so over confident that we won't bother to play with any intensity at all on Sunday. I've heard this crap for years from my neighbours across the border and it's getting a little old now. If you want to engage is barstool Gaa psychology why don't you get a job editing Martin Breheny's genius in depth articles about all things Mayo!
Hey Syferus time to dust off the old Mayo flag and get it hanging outside the house sure all the Rossie police will be in the Hyde for the minor match so you'll be safe enough to show your true colours ;)
Back to the game , if the Mortimer thing really affects the players for this one I'll be disappointed cause it'll show all this talk of our new found steel/hardness to be a load of crap. I'll have no problem if Sligo beat us fair and square but if we go into our shell or throw in the towel when the game is tight( which I believe it will be) then we'll be back to the drawing board and listening to crap from Breheny for the next year( probably edited by sligoman2).
That's now 2 big blows for Mayo with 2 experienced players not available which reduces their options from the bench. I was surprised that Harte and Mortimer were not starting and would be much more fearful of Mayo if their full forward line was Mortimer, Moran, Freeman. Game plan is obviously a running game and Sligo middle 8 will have to stop Higgins and Mayo half backs by foul or fair means to. Taylor will add more mobility to Sligo midfield and played well when brought on against Galway. He can be very inconsistent though so hopefully this will be one of his good days.
Anyone have an idea, where I can watch this game online. Im in New Zealand and would hate to miss it
Quote from: knobblyknees on July 13, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Anyone have an idea, where I can watch this game online. Im in New Zealand and would hate to miss it
If TV3 steam it live it shouldn't be too hard to watch it on the web. You'll have to clone an Irish IP address but that'll be easy.A quick google search will throw a heap of sites that do this.
Knobblyknees, have send you a PM with a couple of options.
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 13, 2012, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: knobblyknees on July 13, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Anyone have an idea, where I can watch this game online. Im in New Zealand and would hate to miss it
If TV3 steam it live it shouldn't be too hard to watch it on the web. You'll have to clone an Irish IP address but that'll be easy.A quick google search will throw a heap of sites that do this.
Can you do the same cloning of an IP to watch RTE playa ?
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 13, 2012, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 13, 2012, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: knobblyknees on July 13, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Anyone have an idea, where I can watch this game online. Im in New Zealand and would hate to miss it
If TV3 steam it live it shouldn't be too hard to watch it on the web. You'll have to clone an Irish IP address but that'll be easy.A quick google search will throw a heap of sites that do this.
Can you do the same cloning of an IP to watch RTE playa ?
Yep it's not too hard same with the BBC I player too.
For Sligoman2 and Syferus here's a link to some Mayo over-confidence :
http://mayogaablog.com/?p=10706 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=10706)
and for the rest of the Sligo boys here's a trip down mermory lane:
http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/2012/07/1975-was-it-really-mayos-worst-ever.html (http://spailpin.blogspot.ie/2012/07/1975-was-it-really-mayos-worst-ever.html)
It's on Hogan stand a statement from the Mortimer family, apparently it's in the examiner. Basically the jist seems to be that Horan was telling CM it had to do with game plans. It goes through JH not contacting CM while he was injured and there being no shrule lads on the panel.
It talks about Kenny & Trevor and how all three put a lot into mayo football and CM has nothing to be ashamed of and they support him. how he scored 8 against Dublin but then only got 10-15 mins against Kerry the next day and that 2/3 previous managers had been watching training and couldn't believe he wasn't picked
He obviously feels he's hard done by but I wouldn't have a lot of time for a statement like that
Mayo boys
Whether ye admit it or not the air of arrogance ( some open and some poorly concealed) is apparent.
All im saying is ye are confident of a victory in general and ye should be. Im clinging to the hope that your team is also over confident and we ambush ye. If wd play well we could keep it close.
Im worried about Taylor in midfield, he needs a good kick up the hole going out on the field because sometimes he looks like he's not interested. Walsh needs to pull the plug early on non performers.
Tony, get stuck in early please.
Quote from: Mano on July 13, 2012, 10:38:21 AM
That's now 2 big blows for Mayo with 2 experienced players not available which reduces their options from the bench. I was surprised that Harte and Mortimer were not starting and would be much more fearful of Mayo if their full forward line was Mortimer, Moran, Freeman. Game plan is obviously a running game and Sligo middle 8 will have to stop Higgins and Mayo half backs by foul or fair means to. Taylor will add more mobility to Sligo midfield and played well when brought on against Galway. He can be very inconsistent though so hopefully this will be one of his good days.
Yeah that Sligo midfield will be a big test for Mayo on Sunday as they are both good fielders on their day.
The Leitrim midfield were non-existent if Mayo are honest about it, although Moran still had a good day.
Will it be Keegan or Boyle to take on Costello? That will be an interesting match-up.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 12:51:18 PM
Mayo boys
Whether ye admit it or not the air of arrogance ( some open and some poorly concealed) is apparent.
All im saying is ye are confident of a victory in general and ye should be. Im clinging to the hope that your team is also over confident and we ambush ye. If wd play well we could keep it close.
Im worried about Taylor in midfield, he needs a good kick up the hole going out on the field because sometimes he looks like he's not interested. Walsh needs to pull the plug early on non performers.
Tony, get stuck in early please.
i think you're confusing confident with Over confident.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 13, 2012, 12:55:30 PM
Quote from: Mano on July 13, 2012, 10:38:21 AM
That's now 2 big blows for Mayo with 2 experienced players not available which reduces their options from the bench. I was surprised that Harte and Mortimer were not starting and would be much more fearful of Mayo if their full forward line was Mortimer, Moran, Freeman. Game plan is obviously a running game and Sligo middle 8 will have to stop Higgins and Mayo half backs by foul or fair means to. Taylor will add more mobility to Sligo midfield and played well when brought on against Galway. He can be very inconsistent though so hopefully this will be one of his good days.
Yeah that Sligo midfield will be a big test for Mayo on Sunday as they are both good fielders on their day.
The Leitrim midfield were non-existent if Mayo are honest about it, although Moran still had a good day.
Will it be Keegan or Boyle to take on Costello? That will be an interesting match-up.
I d go with Keegan and get him to attack, attack, attack. Try and take Costello out of his comfort zone and see does he have the appetite/legs for tracking back. If Costello holds his position somebody ll have to drop off and pick him up.
sligoman2 where have I shown overconfidwnce? Mayo are in disarray with Mortimer hogging the headlines.
Steady there Farrandeelin.... 8) Hardly 'disarray'.
I was at the semi final in Salthill and was very impressed with the Sligo midfield in the second half. The starting Mayo midfield will struggle with this pair as they will supply Costello and Marren with enough ball to do damage. But the game lasts 70 minutes and Mayo have more capacity for making the necessary changes when needed. This game is as much a test for the sideline mentors of both teams too.
I am calling a Mayo win by 4 points.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2012, 01:29:15 PM
sligoman2 where have I shown overconfidwnce? Mayo are in disarray with Mortimer hogging the headlines.
I wouldn t bother 'deelin. It s how they like to think we think.
If anything there s fair amount of smugness among local Sligos about this one. They re not quite rubbing their hands together but........
As regards Conorgate. Chokin the little fecker wants with family statements and shite. Why should Horan have to explain every selection to him?
Harte was in form in late league and got no game time at all v Leitrim and he didn t go away crying like a baby. A bigger loss if we were to progress imo.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2012, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2012, 01:29:15 PM
sligoman2 where have I shown overconfidwnce? Mayo are in disarray with Mortimer hogging the headlines.
I wouldn t bother 'deelin. It s how they like to think we think.
If anything there s fair amount of smugness among local Sligos about this one. They re not quite rubbing their hands together but........
As regards Conorgate. Chokin the little fecker wants with family statements and shite. Why should Horan have to explain every selection to him?
Harte was in form in late league and got no game time at all v Leitrim and he didn t go away crying like a baby. A bigger loss if we were to progress imo.
I liked Harte a lot as a player, he was showing good form but I wouldnt be totally happy with his match fitness during the NFL so I thnk it premature to suggest he should start based on form. As a matter of interest who would you replace if Harte started against Leitrim? Big loss to Ballina too.
Im not going to waste my time explaining what ye already know.
I will just say check out the gems from mayo mick for starters including
"its div 1 v div3 thats all the analysis needed"
Or
"hope sligo give us a good game.starting so late we need to get up to speed quickly"
Open signs of OVER confidence which i kind of like
Charlie Harrison in his interview i read on Hoganstand, comes across as fairly confident. He has no reason not to be i suppose, they disposed of Galway in their patch and their ff line looked dynamic at times. Charlies says, they have never been in better shape and seems to put that in the context without saying it as such , that they will match Mayo for conditioning, i'd have my doubts about that but we'll have to wait and see on that count.
Will there be more Sligo support than Mayo? I'm not sure how to gauge how many Mayo will show up, the Hyde is not that mouthwatering a venue for a match v Sligo , with the minors there too (an extra 1k) id guess maybe 8-10 k Mayo, conservative estimate maybe. Could be near full house, if the Rossies turn up in big numbers.
I am assuming that they will be selling tickets at the venue before throw-in (provided not sold out by tomorrow of course)?
Or must the tickets be bought off site?
Quote from: seanog on July 13, 2012, 02:18:46 PM
Charlie Harrison in his interview i read on Hoganstand, comes across as fairly confident. He has no reason not to be i suppose, they disposed of Galway in their patch and their ff line looked dynamic at times. Charlies says, they have never been in better shape and seems to put that in the context without saying it as such , that they will match Mayo for conditioning, i'd have my doubts about that but we'll have to wait and see on that count.
Will there be more Sligo support than Mayo? I'm not sure how to gauge how many Mayo will show up, the Hyde is not that mouthwatering a venue for a match v Sligo , with the minors there too (an extra 1k) id guess maybe 8-10 k Mayo, conservative estimate maybe. Could be near full house, if the Rossies turn up in big numbers.
With the media interest in Conorgate id expect a late scramble for tickets from Mayo people, half out of interest, half to express their support to the team who are under significant scrutiny and pressure from this.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 13, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2012, 01:47:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2012, 01:29:15 PM
sligoman2 where have I shown overconfidwnce? Mayo are in disarray with Mortimer hogging the headlines.
I wouldn t bother 'deelin. It s how they like to think we think.
If anything there s fair amount of smugness among local Sligos about this one. They re not quite rubbing their hands together but........
As regards Conorgate. Chokin the little fecker wants with family statements and shite. Why should Horan have to explain every selection to him?
Harte was in form in late league and got no game time at all v Leitrim and he didn t go away crying like a baby. A bigger loss if we were to progress imo.
I liked Harte a lot as a player, he was showing good form but I wouldnt be totally happy with his match fitness during the NFL so I thnk it premature to suggest he should start based on form. As a matter of interest who would you replace if Harte started against Leitrim? Big loss to Ballina too.
I wasn t making a case for starting him against Leitrim or even against Sligo. Just saying that he didn t get on at all v Leitrim even though 5 subs were used ( Feeney, Conor, McGar, Varley and Conroy).
I would though have a fully fit Harte in my team in hf line.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
Im not going to waste my time explaining what ye already know.
I will just say check out the gems from mayo mick for starters including
"its div 1 v div3 thats all the analysis needed"
Or
"hope sligo give us a good game.starting so late we need to get up to speed quickly"
Open signs of OVER confidence which i kind of like
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How about go and gettin a few Tommy Cooper quotes!
They d be just as relevant to what most of us think.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
Im not going to waste my time explaining what ye already know.
I will just say check out the gems from mayo mick for starters including
"its div 1 v div3 thats all the analysis needed"
Or
"hope sligo give us a good game.starting so late we need to get up to speed quickly"
Open signs of OVER confidence which i kind of like
So you are quoting Mayo Mick ::) Good man you are either a WUM or very deluded. If you are a WUM fair play to you , it certainly adds to general circus around any Mayo thread. If not I hope you never played any serious football cause the size of the chips on your shoulders would have you in serious trouble ;D
And now for some Mayo arrogance just to give some balance. Mayo and Doherty/Varley have been given a fairly serious pressure grenade lobbed in by the Mort with the family statement and everything that goes with it. If we are serious team this should be irrelevant and we should go about our business on Sunday like normal. Sligo pose some very important challenges if we want to retain the Nestor cup. Tony Taylor if on form could do serious damage , not just in terms of wining primary possesion but also in stopping our running game at our own half back line. Also I think the real danger men in the middle third for Sligo are Harrison and Huges. They did some amount of damage against Galway and along with Costello were the launchpad for the most attacks. I think this is where we can curtail Marren and Kelly rather than trying to do the traditional double up marking tactics.
Also I think we'll need Dillion and O connor to have big games going forward cause I think quick accurate ball into Any and Doc we'll be needed to vary our attack and make space for our running game. The key for us is composure at the start( I know not really a Mayo trait) cause Sligo are going to go in for the kill early especially since Connor-gate is making us look like clowns again and it'll be tough for Sligo to not fall into the trap of thinking same old typical soft self-imploding Mayo and that it'll be a rerun of 2010!
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
I think we have found Sligo Mick
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
Quoting mayo mick is probably accurate to the inner thoughts of all the mayo posters but he is a clown, although at least he has the balls to express it, the rest of the mayoites are to long in the grass to express there real views public thats why you get 27 pages of tripe, ie ballghadereen, bellaghy, mort, who are the real favs, all to deflect from a mayo mindset that really hopes sligo give them a game so they dont go into the qtr final without getting a game. Thats mayos real worry, there certain of winning make no mistake and will belittle the likes of mayo mick for exposing there inner thoughts.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
Fair enough no offence intended. I would have loved to have been good enough even to play FBD for my county but unfortunately what God give'th in talent for a foreign sport I played he took away from our native sport that I love.
Having represented you're county at the top level still doesn't explain you're relentless pursuit for this perceived arrogance of Mayo posters. So far you're only evidence of this arrogance is a few wild quotes from probably the most excitable and enthusiastic Mayo supporter in history and other Mayo posters saying they are confident of a win on Sunday. Are Mayo people not allowed to voice their confidence in their team. Did you ever feel or were you accused of being arrogant if you told people you were confident of wining a big game in your playing days?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 13, 2012, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
Quoting mayo mick is probably accurate to the inner thoughts of all the mayo posters but he is a clown, although at least he has the balls to express it, the rest of the mayoites are to long in the grass to express there real views public thats why you get 27 pages of tripe, ie ballghadereen, bellaghy, mort, who are the real favs, all to deflect from a mayo mindset that really hopes sligo give them a game so they dont go into the qtr final without getting a game. Thats mayos real worry, there certain of winning make no mistake and will belittle the likes of mayo mick for exposing there inner thoughts.
Get in there Sligonian while you've mellowed slightly lately there's nothing like Mayo to get you fired up. And in my own defence I did reply to an earlier post of yours by saying the heart says Mayo by 30 points but the head says a much tighter affair(maybe only a 25pt win). I can't be more honest than that 8)
Holy god, some fairly strong worded stuff by the Sligo posters and reading peoples minds is a fair trait in anybodies book.
I don't want to come across too argumentative as i'm only new here but i will say this, i think Mayo will win and don't see how that can be seen as arrogance. If arrogance was evident it would be along the lines of, Sligo haven't a hope, we're a div one team, we win connacht regular , they don't hardly ever even win connacht, they've never won an All Ireland, we will hammer them somethin stupid, etc etc....nobody in Mayo talks like that in the main(bar maybe kids), you'll find if anything Mayo supporters are fairly pessimistic bunch.
This pussyfooting and nit-picking is boring.
Paddy Power has Mayo at 1-3 and Sligo at 10-3, are Paddy Power being arrogant?
Yes, Mayo are expected to win. Its not arrogance, so build a bridge and get over it.
Its still a dangerous game as Sligo are quietly confident and believe they can win, and why shouldnt they?
Also the episode with the little buck may have a positive or negative effect on Mayo, we will see on Sunday.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 13, 2012, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
Quoting mayo mick is probably accurate to the inner thoughts of all the mayo posters but he is a clown, although at least he has the balls to express it, the rest of the mayoites are to long in the grass to express there real views public thats why you get 27 pages of tripe, ie ballghadereen, bellaghy, mort, who are the real favs, all to deflect from a mayo mindset that really hopes sligo give them a game so they dont go into the qtr final without getting a game. Thats mayos real worry, there certain of winning make no mistake and will belittle the likes of mayo mick for exposing there inner thoughts.
The only person bringing up Bellaghy is your good self. Still waiting on sligoman2's response from earlier.
My reply to what?
All i am saying is that many of you are now publicly saying ye expect an easy win.
D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan, T Cunniffe, K McLoughlin; T Parsons, R McGarrity; A Moran, S O'Shea, T Mortimer; C Mortimer, A Freeman, E Varley.
That was the 2010 team. 7 survivors. Didn t think (hoped there wouldn t) would be that many. We may need others as subs.
Still think that day was the pits. At least we tried against Longford after. But we were abject against Sligo and these guys owe themselves and everybody in football in the county with a response on Sunday.
It wasn t losing to Sligo that was so hurtful - that s happened before - it was that the result was never in doubt from a long way out because the towel was thrown in and us with no stomach. Something like 20 mins left and 2 points in it and we had no idea, no stomach and no pride. A mate left in disgust with 15 mins left and headed back to Dublin. He could have brought most of the team with him.
Of course we were coming to the end of a disasterous management and we should be in a better place now. Still I m apprehensive and this Conorshite is another load of dung we seem to tip on ourselves on an annual basis. I ll only be happy if we re like rabid dogs from the starting whistle next day. If we play the tip tapping shite we did in first 20 mins v Leitrim it could be another long day to endure.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 13, 2012, 03:58:29 PM
This pussyfooting and nit-picking is boring.
Paddy Power has Mayo at 1-3 and Sligo at 10-3, are Paddy Power being arrogant?
2007 Connacht final Galway were odds on, 2010 Sligo were odds on and Galway were odds on to defeat Sligo in the semi final this year.
As the last few years has proved Sligo are inconsistent and prefer the underdog tag however Mayo were favorites to win it last year and won it i expect the same to happen again.
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 13, 2012, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: knobblyknees on July 13, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Anyone have an idea, where I can watch this game online. Im in New Zealand and would hate to miss it
If TV3 steam it live it shouldn't be too hard to watch it on the web. You'll have to clone an Irish IP address but that'll be easy.A quick google search will throw a heap of sites that do this.
Have a look here; http://www.aertv.ie/#tv3 The match is at 2pm local, i don't think that site is geo locked.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan, T Cunniffe, K McLoughlin; T Parsons, R McGarrity; A Moran, S O'Shea, T Mortimer; C Mortimer, A Freeman, E Varley.
That was the 2010 team. 7 survivors. Didn t think (hoped there wouldn t) would be that many. We may need others as subs.
Still think that day was the pits. At least we tried against Longford after. But we were abject against Sligo and these guys owe themselves and everybody in football in the county with a response on Sunday.
It wasn t losing to Sligo that was so hurtful - that s happened before - it was that the result was never in doubt from a long way out because the towel was thrown in and us with no stomach. Something like 20 mins left and 2 points in it and we had no idea, no stomach and no pride. A mate left in disgust with 15 mins left and headed back to Dublin. He could have brought most of the team with him.
Of course we were coming to the end of a disasterous management and we should be in a better place now. Still I m apprehensive and this Conorshite is another load of dung we seem to tip on ourselves on an annual basis. I ll only be happy if we re like rabid dogs from the starting whistle next day. If we play the tip tapping shite we did in first 20 mins v Leitrim it could be another long day to endure.
Good God:, will you ever forget that day, moy?
I've witnessed many abject Mayo displays before that one and a few since but that was indeed the pits.
No distract whatever to Sligo; they did what they had to do and would have given any team in the land a run for their money that day but Mayo made their job a whole lot easier.
I met my good friend Sligonian before the thrown in and I had the nagging feeling that he would leave the happier of the pair of us and I'm afraid that premonition turned out to be true.
The defining moment for me was the sight of Aidan O'Shea turning his back on the play after being rather easily dispossessed and aimlessly stabbing his boots into the ground.
Hard to say which of us wanted to be first out of the place.
Mayo have come on a lot since then; hard to tell about Sligo.
I think they read far too much into that win over Mayo and paid the price when they got snared by Roscommon. Sunday will tell if they have got their swagger back by now; the win against Galway may suggest that they have but, like the win over Mayo in '10, they may set too much store by it.
With a biteen of luck, they will and sure we could still be in with a chance. ;D
Conorgate is unsettling; hope the team reacts positively and keep their eye on the ball as it were but one can't be sure.
Anyway, it's good to see Aidan is back on the bench. I can't see him daydreaming again if he gets the chance to go in.
I don't have a ticket at the moment as I had expected that there wasn't going to be a big demand for them but I see on the Rossie website that the stand is sold out and while other tickets can be got through selected Supervalu and Centra stores, there's no mention of sales on the day at the ground.
Is it worth the risk of going on spec and hoping for half decent weather?
As nobody here has brought up the subject of tickets before this, I was expecting that there would be no panic but I'm beginning to regret my lack of haste now.
I imagine there'll be tickets floating around if I get there early enough.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 13, 2012, 09:01:05 PM
on the Rossie website that the stand is sold out and while other tickets can be got through selected Supervalu and Centra stores, there's no mention of sales on the day at the ground.
Is it worth the risk of going on spec and hoping for half decent weather?
As nobody here has brought up the subject of tickets before this, I was expecting that there would be no panic but I'm beginning to regret my lack of haste now.
I imagine there'll be tickets floating around if I get there early enough.
This is a bit worrying for me. I am hoping to make it to the game after a wedding in Co. Cavan the night before, and was leaving it to last minute to buy a ticket taking into account weather / hangover / etc.
Ah well, I will see how I go.
Quote from: moysider on July 13, 2012, 04:38:47 PM
D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan, T Cunniffe, K McLoughlin; T Parsons, R McGarrity; A Moran, S O'Shea, T Mortimer; C Mortimer, A Freeman, E Varley.
That was the 2010 team. 7 survivors. Didn t think (hoped there wouldn t) would be that many. We may need others as subs.
What I found intriguing from reading the program of the Leitrim game was that there are still 8 survivors from their previous meeting in Carrick-on-Shannon in 2006.
Quote from: ludermor on July 13, 2012, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 13, 2012, 03:29:54 PM
Im not a Wum and was a pretty seious footballer aome time ago i have played in a connacht final if you really need to know so i think i know football and supporters fairly well.
I think we have found Sligo Mick
Not true. Sligoman2 is a long time member of board and was on the Sligo team that recorded one of the biggest shocks in Connacht football. Still makes me sick to think about it!
Not a word from the Sligo folk on here about what a rubbish job Kevin Walsh is doing?? I could have sworn they were adamant he should have been shown the door last year..........
Kevin has done a great job in my oponion. He needs to have a sbort fuse on sunday and pull out anyone thats not performing as we have a lot of men on the bench that want to be on the other side of the white line
Rosnarun is right –if we can't beat Sligo we are going nowhere. Travelling around the county during the week there is little enough interest in this game but nobody I spoke to thought we might lose. It's a game to be played to move on to the business end of things. No point in pretending anything else.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 14, 2012, 06:50:21 AM
Kevin has done a great job in my oponion. He needs to have a sbort fuse on sunday and pull out anyone thats not performing as we have a lot of men on the bench that want to be on the other side of the white line
Would you believe that you are the first Sligo poster (ASAIK) that has come out openly and said what the rest of the country has been saying for years. Indeed the abuse he got from some had to be seen to believed when he failed to deliver the Connacht title in 2010..
Ultimately, what has Kevin Walsh won with Sligo?
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2012, 10:44:43 AM
Ultimately, what has Kevin Walsh won with Sligo?
Here you are, courtesy of Wikipedia:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Walsh_(Gaelic_footballer) (http://(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Walsh_(Gaelic_footballer))
He was appointed manager of the Sligo senior football team in November 2008.
He led Sligo from Division 4 to Division 2 of the National Football League in his first two years in charge winning the Division 4 and 3 titles in the process. He also lead Sligo to the Connacht Junior Football Championship & All-Ireland Junior Football Championship in 2010. In 2011 he led Sligo to a second Connacht Junior Championship.
You could add in for good measure that he engineered wins over both Galway and Mayo in the senior championship of 2010. From what I can gather, that was the first time, Sligo beat the Big Two as Sligo people are fond of calling Galway and Mayo.
Good luck to both teams tommorow. It has all the makings for the game of the championship so far and finally the two best teams in Connaught for the last decade meet in a decider.
Should boil down to midfield again. I'd be worried that we won't handle McManus and Taylor in the middle.
It will be a close call and may the best team win.
p.s. Hope the Rossies and Tyrone don't tear up the pitch too much today!
Quote from: highorlow on July 14, 2012, 11:03:54 AM
Good luck to both teams tommorow. It has all the makings for the game of the championship so far and finally the two best teams in Connaught for the last decade meet in a decider.
Should boil down to midfield again. I'd be worried that we won't handle McManus and Taylor in the middle.
It will be a close call and may the best team win.
p.s. Hope the Rossies and Tyrone don't tear up the pitch too much today!
That's a good point highorlow. The pitch has to be heavy with all this rain. I wonder, if Ros were playing on Sunday and Mayo today, would the Mayo game have been in Castlebar after all? What would Roscommon think about running out onto a cut-up pitch? I hope the sod holds out.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 14, 2012, 12:14:42 AM
Not a word from the Sligo folk on here about what a rubbish job Kevin Walsh is doing?? I could have sworn they were adamant he should have been shown the door last year..........
Sligos record under Kevin last year was played 12 won 1. If he played the same tactics the last day against Galway in the 2010 Connacht final we would have been Connacht champions. He was criticised on merit for las years results alone. If we win tomorrow all will be forgiven.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 14, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2012, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2012, 10:44:43 AM
Ultimately, what has Kevin Walsh won with Sligo?
Here you are, courtesy of Wikipedia:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Walsh_(Gaelic_footballer) (http://(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Walsh_(Gaelic_footballer))
He was appointed manager of the Sligo senior football team in November 2008.
He led Sligo from Division 4 to Division 2 of the National Football League in his first two years in charge winning the Division 4 and 3 titles in the process. He also lead Sligo to the Connacht Junior Football Championship & All-Ireland Junior Football Championship in 2010. In 2011 he led Sligo to a second Connacht Junior Championship.
You could add in for good measure that he engineered wins over both Galway and Mayo in the senior championship of 2010. From what I can gather, that was the first time, Sligo beat the Big Two as Sligo people are fond of calling Galway and Mayo.
At the end of the day sligoman2 is a exile so youve got ask yourself this question, do outsiders do you Lar know more about Sligo or kevin walsh as a manager than Sligo people who go to every county and club game, know everything that goes on behind the scenes etc..? Its disrespectful to dismiss our opinions when we know alot more than you or any outsider. I dont comment on horan, newton or mullholland becuase respective countymen know more. There is this media and outsider spin on walsh thats not accurate, in that hes not the messiah hes made out to be, every win is credited to him but the loss to leitrim is the players fault, wtf...we lost 17/19 competitive matches over 1.5 yrs and you seem to think thats beyond criticism, seriously. I could go on but the Sligo players and management have a chance to redeem themselves tomorrow, i pray that they do.
With due respect my good friend, I was careful to stick with facts- I
did not express opinions.
Sligoman2 stated:
Kevin has done a great job in my oponion.To which I replied:
1. Would you believe that you are the first Sligo poster (ASAIK) that has come out openly and said what the rest of the country has been saying for years.
2. Indeed the abuse he got from some had to be seen to believed when he failed to deliver the Connacht title in 2010.
I stand over both comments which, after all, are statements of fact.
neilthemac then asked:
Ultimately, what has Kevin Walsh won with Sligo?I responded by outlining his record; being careful to point out that I was quoting from an article on Wikipedia. I helpfully supplied the relevant link.
I also added the following:
1. You could add in for good measure that he engineered wins over both Galway and Mayo in the senior championship of 2010.
2. From what I can gather, that was the first time, Sligo beat the Big Two as Sligo people are fond of calling Galway and Mayo.Once more, I see nothing to retract there. Not a hint of an IMO, TBH or ASAIK, in that, is there?
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 14, 2012, 02:49:09 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2012, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on July 14, 2012, 11:48:17 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2012, 10:56:09 AM
Quote from: neilthemac on July 14, 2012, 10:44:43 AM
Ultimately, what has Kevin Walsh won with Sligo?
Here you are, courtesy of Wikipedia:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Walsh_(Gaelic_footballer) (http://(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Walsh_(Gaelic_footballer))
He was appointed manager of the Sligo senior football team in November 2008.
He led Sligo from Division 4 to Division 2 of the National Football League in his first two years in charge winning the Division 4 and 3 titles in the process. He also lead Sligo to the Connacht Junior Football Championship & All-Ireland Junior Football Championship in 2010. In 2011 he led Sligo to a second Connacht Junior Championship.
You could add in for good measure that he engineered wins over both Galway and Mayo in the senior championship of 2010. From what I can gather, that was the first time, Sligo beat the Big Two as Sligo people are fond of calling Galway and Mayo.
At the end of the day sligoman2 is a exile so youve got ask yourself this question, do outsiders do you Lar know more about Sligo or kevin walsh as a manager than Sligo people who go to every county and club game, know everything that goes on behind the scenes etc..? Its disrespectful to dismiss our opinions when we know alot more than you or any outsider. I dont comment on horan, newton or mullholland becuase respective countymen know more. There is this media and outsider spin on walsh thats not accurate, in that hes not the messiah hes made out to be, every win is credited to him but the loss to leitrim is the players fault, wtf...we lost 17/19 competitive matches over 1.5 yrs and you seem to think thats beyond criticism, seriously. I could go on but the Sligo players and management have a chance to redeem themselves tomorrow, i pray that they do.
With due respect my good friend, I was careful to stick with facts- I did not express opinions.
Sligoman2 stated:
Kevin has done a great job in my oponion.
To which I replied:
1. Would you believe that you are the first Sligo poster (ASAIK) that has come out openly and said what the rest of the country has been saying for years.
2. Indeed the abuse he got from some had to be seen to believed when he failed to deliver the Connacht title in 2010.
I stand over both comments which, after all, are statements of fact.
neilthemac then asked:
Ultimately, what has Kevin Walsh won with Sligo?
I responded by outlining his record; being careful to point out that I was quoting from an article on Wikipedia. I helpfully supplied the relevant link.
I also added the following:
1. You could add in for good measure that he engineered wins over both Galway and Mayo in the senior championship of 2010.
2. From what I can gather, that was the first time, Sligo beat the Big Two as Sligo people are fond of calling Galway and Mayo.
Once more, I see nothing to retract there. Not a hint of an IMO, TBH or ASAIK, in that, is there?
FACTS you say, first time sligo beat the big two, eh incorrect fact there lar, in fact we beat galway and mayo in 1975, Whats your definition of abuse, based on fact or your OPINION????????????????? fact is he won mickey mouse trophies so far which you correctly pointed out. Fact is he oversaw one of the worst runs of results in our history from 2010 final to to 2012 wexford with one of the best Sligo teams in our history which you seem hellbent on ignoring that FACT, for those of us who had to watch that its a little harder.
1. FACTS you say, first time sligo beat the big two, eh incorrect fact there lar, in fact we beat galway and mayo in 1975, Actually, I prefaced the relevant remark with:
As far as I can gather..That puts a different complexion on it, I guess.
I made a qualified remark; Therefore, this remark cannot be taken as absolute fact. And a fact can't be a fact unless it is, well, a fact -or am I missing something? ;D
2. Whats your definition of abuse, based on fact or your OPINION?? Since you are the one raising this issue, maybe you should go back and check what you and others posted in the aftermath of that defeat. If you honestly feel that what you had to say at the time did not breach conventional guidelines on valid freedom of expression and on reasonable criticism, get back to me and we can discuss it further. You might also care to check what other posters had to say in response to your opinions.
3. fact is he won mickey mouse trophies so far which you correctly pointed out. Nah, I pointed out sweet eff all!
I quoted from an article written by some bucko who listed Walsh's achievements and he, in turn, expressed no opinion either.
3a. Fact is he oversaw one of the worst runs of results in our history from 2010 final to to 2012 wexford with one of the best Sligo teams in our history.'Well, that's your opinion; two of them in fact. I'm not saying anything about that because you won't accept that anyone not from within Sligo is qualified to express any opinion about anything that goes on in Sligo football. ;D
3b. which you seem hellbent on ignoring that FACT, for those of us who had to watch that its a little harder.
Once more, I repeat that I merely quoted from an article......etc. etc.
I ignored nothing as I wasn't commenting on anything!
BTW, I see you are revving up nicely for the game. Don't overdo it as I'm not being teetotally serious.
Roscommon took a bit of a shoeing at home today and Galway lose a close one in Casement Park. Neither result surprising imo. Can we read anything into these results as a kind of form guide? Just wondering? Both on Sligo s side of the draw and both exit the championship early. I wouldn t read much into it myself.
Leitrim could be gone later this evening but I don t think anybody was reading anything into Mayo s win over Leitrim.
Ye are awful bucks altogether. Ye keep prodding and poking trying to awake the beast. Finally starting to get a result aswell.
Will ye leave the man alone. I dont think I can put up with another one of the melt downs
I think today's results prove that the best two sides in Connacht by a distance are in the final this year. Probably the best two sides of the last 6 or 7 years in the province overall as well - although Mayo have been more consistent than Sligo during this period.
Beyond that you can read nothing into it other than to say that, with the possible exception of Mayo and Sligo, Connacht football is fairly poor these days, with little sign of improvement coming from the other counties.
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
So lads. Championship done for the year, told Donie to miss a few frees because I didn't have enough time to converse with my Mao chums what with all the winning we were doing. How's the Mort doing in training? No?
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
So lads. Championship done for the year, told Donie to miss a few frees because I didn't have enough time to converse with my Mao chums what with all the winning we were doing. How's the Mort doing in training? No?
Have another sip of your shandy and sleep it off good laddeen.
The jackdaw has returned to his post.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
Even Paddy O'Rourke's Armagh beat Wickla.
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
Fair point, there's a sizable gap opening between the perennial division one teams and the others. Divisions two and three much of a muchness at this stage, both a big step down on the top league whereas a few years ago there wasn't much between divisions one and two. You just have to look at how overrated Kildare and Tyrone became based on their div 2 performances this year. When it came to provincial championships they weren't that good at all.
I suppose the question tomorrow is whether Sligo have been massively underachieving by bouncing around the lower divisions or whether that is their actual level. I suspect that they are actually pretty close in standard to the div one teams even though they didn't show it for almost two years before this years championship.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
Even Paddy O'Rourke's Armagh beat Wickla.
C'mon 'Obvious.
Delighted for Leitrim. They ve had some players in the past that I wouldn t give the time of day (hold-on, I can only think of one) but I like the way they ve carry themselves the length I ve seen them - most of the time anyway.
If I was pickin a Connacht team I would build it around Emyln Mulligan! Proper player. Quality and character. Never stopped trying against Mayo. The rest obviously have character as well to recover from the Castlebar mauling. Pity a couple of Mayo s finest could not show the same resolve.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 14, 2012, 11:52:31 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
Fair point, there's a sizable gap opening between the perennial division one teams and the others. Divisions two and three much of a muchness at this stage, both a big step down on the top league whereas a few years ago there wasn't much between divisions one and two. You just have to look at how overrated Kildare and Tyrone became based on their div 2 performances this year. When it came to provincial championships they weren't that good at all.
I suppose the question tomorrow is whether Sligo have been massively underachieving by bouncing around the lower divisions or whether that is their actual level. I suspect that they are actually pretty close in standard to the div one teams even though they didn't show it for almost two years before this years championship.
Yeah, it is hard to assess Sligo's true worth. Maybe today will tell us more but somehow I doubt it.They've been turning in some decent c'ship performances throughout the last decade but their league form throughout has been less than impressive.
Question is, have they been massively overachieving in the c'ship or similarily underachieving in the league?
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
So lads. Championship done for the year, told Donie to miss a few frees because I didn't have enough time to converse with my Mao chums what with all the winning we were doing. How's the Mort doing in training? No?
Is there much in the little red book about winning??
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 14, 2012, 11:52:31 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
Fair point, there's a sizable gap opening between the perennial division one teams and the others. Divisions two and three much of a muchness at this stage, both a big step down on the top league whereas a few years ago there wasn't much between divisions one and two. You just have to look at how overrated Kildare and Tyrone became based on their div 2 performances this year. When it came to provincial championships they weren't that good at all.
I suppose the question tomorrow is whether Sligo have been massively underachieving by bouncing around the lower divisions or whether that is their actual level. I suspect that they are actually pretty close in standard to the div one teams even though they didn't show it for almost two years before this years championship.
Yeah, it is hard to assess Sligo's true worth. Maybe today will tell us more but somehow I doubt it.They've been turning in some decent c'ship performances throughout the last decade but their league form throughout has been less than impressive.
Question is, have they been massively overachieving in the c'ship or similarily underachieving in the league?
I don t think it matters much. Maybe Horan is a sound sleeper but I suspect he s still awake. I am and would be if I were him. He knows that Walsh has Mayo s A game sussed ( Walsh - or whoever the brain is - did a job on Galway) and Mayo s approach is out there for all to see. All that shite in the league doesn t matter now - division this, division that. Nobody shows their hand in the league - except Cork. Sligo does not have the resources to be a top division team in the league consistently but Champ is different. They ve enough quality players for a championship push and get tactics right on the day and..... Lar, have you actually put yourself in Walsh s shoes and tried to work out how he ll approach this?
Some Mayo 'fans' go along with the ' Sure.. sure.. sure if we cant bate Sligo ........' shite. You don t I know and most dont.
Mayo has to have a plan B if/when the running game isn t working. Horan will have factored that in. Unfortunately I m not confident there is a workable plan B. If Conor had any sense he was a bit of security in a tight finish. But Elvis left the building.
Harte ,the most dynamic sub we had around the middle, gone as well. I m prepared for a hard slog tomorrow.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2012, 12:32:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 14, 2012, 10:17:30 PM
So lads. Championship done for the year, told Donie to miss a few frees because I didn't have enough time to converse with my Mao chums what with all the winning we were doing. How's the Mort doing in training? No?
Is there much in the little red book about winning??
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
We ve been waiting a while for the 'great leap forward' too. Hopefully there wont be a 'cultural revolution' either.
Harte is a loss alright even though he hadn't much form (although I haven't seen him in club games recently), if we struggle at midfield we'll lose this game.
Quote from: moysider on July 15, 2012, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 14, 2012, 11:52:31 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 14, 2012, 09:38:55 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2012, 06:55:35 PM
Mayo the best of a bad lot in Connacht they might be lucky to win another quarter final however that's the best they can hope for. Antrim's win over Galway proves Sligo result wasn't anything special after all.
Yeah. Connacht football's dead and gone.
Hold on. Leitrim beat Wickla. Maybe Mayo not as bad as some think. Seems to me that apart from 1 or 2 counties all the provinces are muck.
Fair point, there's a sizable gap opening between the perennial division one teams and the others. Divisions two and three much of a muchness at this stage, both a big step down on the top league whereas a few years ago there wasn't much between divisions one and two. You just have to look at how overrated Kildare and Tyrone became based on their div 2 performances this year. When it came to provincial championships they weren't that good at all.
I suppose the question tomorrow is whether Sligo have been massively underachieving by bouncing around the lower divisions or whether that is their actual level. I suspect that they are actually pretty close in standard to the div one teams even though they didn't show it for almost two years before this years championship.
Yeah, it is hard to assess Sligo's true worth. Maybe today will tell us more but somehow I doubt it.They've been turning in some decent c'ship performances throughout the last decade but their league form throughout has been less than impressive.
Question is, have they been massively overachieving in the c'ship or similarily underachieving in the league?
I don t think it matters much. Maybe Horan is a sound sleeper but I suspect he s still awake. I am and would be if I were him. He knows that Walsh has Mayo s A game sussed ( Walsh - or whoever the brain is - did a job on Galway) and Mayo s approach is out there for all to see. All that shite in the league doesn t matter now - division this, division that. Nobody shows their hand in the league - except Cork. Sligo does not have the resources to be a top division team in the league consistently but Champ is different. They ve enough quality players for a championship push and get tactics right on the day and..... Lar, have you actually put yourself in Walsh s shoes and tried to work out how he ll approach this?
Some Mayo 'fans' go along with the ' Sure.. sure.. sure if we cant bate Sligo ........' shite. You don t I know and most dont.
Mayo has to have a plan B if/when the running game isn t working. Horan will have factored that in. Unfortunately I m not confident there is a workable plan B. If Conor had any sense he was a bit of security in a tight finish. But Elvis left the building.
Harte ,the most dynamic sub we had around the middle, gone as well. I m prepared for a hard slog tomorrow.
Feck the begrudgers, moy; Keep the faith!
I'm still very much awake- mainly because I took a mad notion to cycle into town today and make a pig of meself in a Chinese buffet place that lets you ate all you want for a fiver!
So I spent the afternoon snoozing in me armchair.
I face the prospect of a drive west in a few hours time, bringing along a mad Sligo oul' fella along with me.
I mean 'mad,' not passionate.
The cute hoor will give me the slip once I park the car and he'll head for the nearest boozer so he can meet up with some old Ballymote buddies and get well and truly pissed.
I know I'll have to grab him by the lugs and pour him into the car so we can fight all the way back home. After the gig in Mark Park in 2010, I wasn't able to kick him into the front seat until 9 o'clock. With any biteen of luck, I'll be able to get him out before closing time tonight.
This time I hope he has nothing to shout about but he'll shout anyway- before he falls asleep that is.
Don't worry about Horan. He has Walsh sussed out too and he's no daw, never was.
Forget about Conoreen. He has/ had nothing special to offer. His display against Cork told me that.
He was brave, passionate and hard-working that day but if he stayed at it until Tibb's Eve, he wouldn't have troubled that Cork defence.
Nah, Horan has the lads to do it but some of those lads need to turn into men if we are to win.
Right now, I gotta have a few hours kip.
Destiny calls but so does the missus.
G'night all. ;D
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2012, 12:58:06 AM
Harte is a loss alright even though he hadn't much form (although I haven't seen him in club games recently), if we struggle at midfield we'll lose this game.
More than likely. But Sligo's forwards aren't Cork. Up Mayo!!
It's D-day now and its up to the lads now to produce the the goods and for us to get behind the lads win loose or draw. They should have plenty of fire in their bellies going out to Hyde today with 'The Mort' incident and some lads have to get a few Sligo lads back for 2010.
Best of luck to all of the panel and management today.
C'MON THE GREEN AND RED!!!!!!!
Fry ate and ready for the road.
Maigh Eo, Le Cúnamh Dé.
A nice article that pretty much sums up the football relationship between the two counties. Of course we are still superior in all other aspects of our relationship :D Good luck to all today, enjoy the game and mind the bad roads.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/pain-game-a-constant-for-connachts-forgotten-men-3168479.html
Have just pulled in to Roscommon, Christ there isn't a sinner around..... there wont be much money in the Mc Hale park fund this evening............. :D
Maigheo Go Deo!! Ar Aghaidh linn!!
Mayo an awful shower of diving hoors. Come on Sligo.
It will be a victory for football if they can put the wide masters out
Brutal game. The standard is dire.
any live stream??
Some very good refereeing and defending so far. Classic shoulder by the Sligo captain.
Take your points Mayo.
Quote from: Gold on July 15, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
any live stream??
Sent you a PM there Gold.
Don't know if we are allowed to put the links up on here?
Quote from: eviemonkey on July 15, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
Quote from: Gold on July 15, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
any live stream??
Sent you a PM there Gold.
Don't know if we are allowed to put the links up on here?
Top drawer
thanks
6 each now. Update - 8 points to 7, Sligo
That looked clearly wide.
Mayo lead with a very debatable point.
Very cynical from Mayo once they got into the lead. They won't be winning an AI anyway.
Pretty stupid of Sligo at the death not to lob in a high ball to at least give an outside chance of a goal.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2012, 03:34:52 PM
Very cynical from Mayo once they got into the lead. They won't be winning an AI anyway.
But cynical alright but that's modern football for ya.
That phantom Mayo point actually made a difference as Sligo had to try and work a goal at the end rather than just needing to kick a point to force a replay.
2 teams going nowhere.
can someone link me up for a stream too please?
Quote from: yellowcard on July 15, 2012, 03:34:52 PM
Very cynical from Mayo once they got into the lead. They won't be winning an AI anyway.
A sad indictment that cynicism and negativity seems to be required to be successful these days. Ah well. at least we won although it certainly wasn't pretty. I don't think you can make sweeping statements about Mayo's prospects based on that 70 minutes although you can definately say that history would be on your side.
Congxrats mayo ye just about deserved it. I was worried about our midfield and unforrunately ny fears were justified.
Time to get real umpires for these games instead of the clowns tbey have
Quote from: RandyDupree on July 15, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
2 teams going nowhere.
Meh!
Other teams going nowhere in 2012:
Dublin V Wexford
Tyrone V Donegal
Kildare V Meath.
We're in a QF again where our D1 status suggests we belong.
Meh! Mayo would have bottled it had Sligo given them the chance.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 15, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Meh! Mayo would have bottled it had Sligo given them the chance.
They had plenty chances to bottle that game. We didn't hit the front until the last few minutes. I'm surprised that you didn't trot out the other stereotype about Mayo forwards while you were at it.
Listening to newstalk coverage after the game & they were certain it wasn't a Mayo point. Key score as it meant Sligo had try & go for goal at the end instead of only needing a point.
Should have been a straight red at the end for the Mayo midfielder. Ref was a joke as well. Must like rugby for all the scrums he allowed develop.
There were several instances where Mayo attackers had fairly simple shots on from around the 20m line, but instead of shooting they tried to work the ball in closer and ran into traffic. They'd want to sort that out against the better teams.
Quote from: Chimley on July 15, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 15, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Meh! Mayo would have bottled it had Sligo given them the chance.
They had plenty chances to bottle that game. We didn't hit the front until the last few minutes. I'm surprised that you didn't trot out the other stereotype about Mayo forwards while you were at it.
You mean kicking wides on a consistent basis? Funny you should mention it, that crossed my mind too.
I'm a firm believer that stereotypes exist for a reason.
Anyway, don't take it too personally. Best of luck in the next round.
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 15, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
Quote from: Chimley on July 15, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ard-Rí on July 15, 2012, 03:57:26 PM
Meh! Mayo would have bottled it had Sligo given them the chance.
They had plenty chances to bottle that game. We didn't hit the front until the last few minutes. I'm surprised that you didn't trot out the other stereotype about Mayo forwards while you were at it.
You mean kicking wides on a consistent basis? Funny you should mention it, that crossed my mind too.
I'm a firm believer that stereotypes exist for a reason.
Anyway, don't take it too personally. Best of luck in the next round.
When I see people knocking my county on the day that we won our provincial title, I tend to jump in.
Quote from: J70 on July 15, 2012, 05:29:06 PM
There were several instances where Mayo attackers had fairly simple shots on from around the 20m line, but instead of shooting they tried to work the ball in closer and ran into traffic. They'd want to sort that out against the better teams.
The wind was terrible for most of the match, a cross wind that forced both teams to play the ball in more than they would have wanted to. I doubt that translated properly to tv at all.
I was sitting in the stand and had a pretty good view of Boyle's point - it looked wide to me. Would be interested to see it again but if they got that wrong then it's dire and very disappointing for Sligo.
The wind made it difficult but Mayo seemed obsessed with going for goals in the first half when they should have taken their points and maybe could have won by 3 or 4.
I thought AOS did v well when he came on, made a big difference - contrasted with O'Hara who did nothing when he came on except throw a few digs here and there.
I'd give MOTM to B Moran or Boyle although 1 - 10 plus Dillon all did well.
We need to find some shooting boots before our next outing.
Good luck to Sligo in the 4th rd qualifier - they're good enough to beat a lot of the teams left in it - should have fed Kelly more though.
The Rossies making off with the cups today:
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Pity about the colours, though, Andy.
Delighted with that tbh. I was apprehensive enough - for good reason as it turned out. To win a dogfight is better than looking the part in a cakewalk.
Our game plan backfired, due to poor decision making and good Sligo defending. Going for goals is all very fine but we left several handy points behind.
I m happy with 11 of our starting 15 and we had only one 'mare. We re not the complete deal but a good few pieces are in places. There is no obvious remedy for 13 and maybe 15 but we still have to keep going. I thought we finished with a better ff line than we started with.
It was scrappy and at times nasty. Unpleasant atmosphere also at times. These teams might be forming a rivalry with an edge to it if they meet soon again.
Almost a carbon copy of the Connacht senior final last year but the weather was better this year. Sligo deservedly in front at HT but you knew that lead wasn't going to be enough. Mayo made better use of the wind and used all their experience and know how to get over the line. I thought the ref was over fussy he never let the flow and even though it was a good turnout i thought the atmosphere was poor.
Best for Mayo was Barry Moran for Sligo was Ross Donovan. Will be interesting to see how both do in the All Ireland series now.
Mayo were poor enough but they did what they had to do. A provincial title in the bag and safe passage through to an All Ireland Quarter Final which is the defining stage of the season for all of the major counties.
They still look short of a couple of game-breaking forwards to me. The option of playing O'Connor and Moran at 11 and 14 isn't maximising the ability of both players. I'd nearly play both in the full forward line where they both look more dangerous. Getting Aidan O'Shea back will help their cause and they should be strong at midfield if he can develop a partnership there with B Moran.
Mayo were fairly cynical at the end in closing out the game but like all the successful teams they did what they have to do to close out games. The days of Mayo being all sweetness and light are long gone under James Horan and they will be all the stronger as a team as a result of this pragmatic approach. At this stage Mayo shouldn't fear anyone in the Quarter-Finals.
Sligo were competitive throughout and have 3 or 4 scoring forwards which will make them dangerous opposition for whoever they meet in Round 4. Once they get over the disappointment of this one as they should they have a real chance of joining Mayo in the last eight.
Quote from: ross4life on July 15, 2012, 06:55:57 PM
Almost a carbon copy of the Connacht senior final last year but the weather was better this year. Sligo deservedly in front at HT but you knew that lead wasn't going to be enough. Mayo made better use of the wind and used all their experience and know how to get over the line. I thought the ref was over fussy he never let the flow and even though it was a good turnout i thought the atmosphere was poor.
Best for Mayo was Barry Moran for Sligo was Ross Donovan. Will be interesting to see how both do in the All Ireland series now.
Interesting indeed.
Lets see who Sligo get but I ve a feeling they ll get more than one more cut at it. They ve an extra week this year to do their homework. They clearly had Mayo and Galway sussed and if they do a job on their next opponents then they ll have a great chance. Mayo backs have been good all year and would be very familiar with the Sligo threat. sligo might get more joy next day. They re also as fit as Div. 1 teams on last 2 days evidence.
Mayo will have learned a lot again today. Our backs and midfield ( provided we dont lose players now on club duty) should give us a chance against most. But we have to do better at working around our forward failings than we did today. There has to be changes there but there may not be a solution ant time soon.
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 15, 2012, 03:45:45 PM
Congxrats mayo ye just about deserved it. I was worried about our midfield and unforrunately ny fears were justified.
Time to get real umpires for these games instead of the clowns tbey have
Add referees and a proper time keeper and we might just get a real game!
With the ease that Mayo cut through the Sligo defences in the first 20 minutes I was afraid the game was going to be over before half time. That would have meant heading into the quarter-finals without a serious game so the poor shooting kept the game alive right through. I was never worried that Mayo would lose- they always looked able to step up a gear.
Lots of positives from a Mayo viewpoint:
Clarke is showing top form in goal. Kick outs were great and he acted as an extra defender.
Full back line was solid in the air and aggressive in defence. Did Sligo think they were weak there as they bombarded them with kicks in the first 15 minutes.
The half back line, though inclined to get silly bookings, was solid and injected great pace into our attack.
Barry Moran gave an outstanding show to back up the one against Leitrim that we were all dubious about. O Shea added greatly to midfield on arrival and with Gibbons and McG in reserve we must have our strongest midfield since Brady/Fallon/McHale and Colm Mac in the 90s.
Dillon and Andy showed great appetite for work and Mc Loughlinn was as busy as ever if not as effective. I thought Cillian was poor by his usual standards but he's a class act and will rebound. Freeman did well on being introduced. Doc won a lot of early ball but little came off it.
I would like to see us start next game with same defense, Aidan at midfield with Barry, Freeman on the 40 and Cillian inside with Andy. Last place is up for grabs. Personally i would love to see McG tried in full forward line in challenges or training as Cork have done with N Murphy. It would be an extra string to the bow.
Onwards and upwards. summer has taken a turn for the better.
PS Can anyone explain the sense of Minors going through a work out from 11 20 until 5 minutes before the game. Thats the equivalent of playing a half a game before the contest. Some of these routines have more to do with the manager/trainer putting on a display of what he can do than anything it does for his players. Not having a cut at T Duffy. This craze is rampant nowadays.
Quote from: macdanger2 on July 15, 2012, 06:26:01 PM
I was sitting in the stand and had a pretty good view of Boyle's point - it looked wide to me. Would be interested to see it again but if they got that wrong then it's dire and very disappointing for Sligo.The wind made it difficult but Mayo seemed obsessed with going for goals in the first half when they should have taken their points and maybe could have won by 3 or 4.
I thought AOS did v well when he came on, made a big difference - contrasted with O'Hara who did nothing when he came on except throw a few digs here and there.
I'd give MOTM to B Moran or Boyle although 1 - 10 plus Dillon all did well.
We need to find some shooting boots before our next outing.
Good luck to Sligo in the 4th rd qualifier - they're good enough to beat a lot of the teams left in it - should have fed Kelly more though.
Feck that 's bad.
Spent much of the afternoon feeling very frustrated at proceedings but having had time to reflect I'm actually quite happy with the way we played in the last 20 minutes.
This was a game that a lot of Mayo teams down the years would have lost. The disallowed goal seemed to set us back and Sligo were dropping players back and making things tough. I'll need to see it again but the call on the pass for the 'goal' seemed incorrect at the time.
It has been previously mentioned on here that we are setting up to go for goals and we saw that today. Wrong option. We could have been ahead at half time if we'd just kept it simple and taken some easy points that were on offer. That strategy needs to be ripped up and binned - it could have cost us the game.
What impressed me though was our second half resolve when we kept going behind, we didn't panic, stuck at it in the face of fearsome defending (credit to Sligo for that) and eventually took our chances to get out of there with the cup. Even better was our downright cynicism when we got two points ahead, no way in hell were Sligo getting in for a goal. It cost us a man but won us the game. Some won't like it but nice guys come last and it had to be done - we didn't have that kind of steel in us before Horan became manager.
I thought the full back line in particular were excellent today, Keane has the makings of a top class defender and Cafferkey is really delivering in a way I wasn't sure he ever would. Big Barry has spent the last two games forcing me to eat my words about him (I pretty much gave up on him after his league final performance). Further forward there is a lot of work to be done and a lot of questions still unanswered, but there's three weeks now to try to find some solutions. We'll be going into the All Ireland Series way under the radar but it's great to be there again and it's no harm to still be an unknown quantity this late into the season.
Congrats to Mayo on winning another senior connacht title and fair play to Sligo for being competitive right to the end. Horrible match to watch for a neutral. Very scrappy. Mayo looked poor but in fairness that maybe a reflection on how much pressure Sligo put them under. Hopefully Sligo will make a go of the qualifiers now. That point was wide according to the live coverage but Sligo were very fortunate that Andy Moran's goal was disallowed 99% of the time the pass leading up to it wouldnt be pulled up on.
Absolutely devastated, congrats to mayo, won the war of attrition, scrap, dogfight, ross donovan is some warrior for sligo gaa.
I've put together tactical analysis on today's for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5981
Not a bad piece Emmet but I'm not sure who you're on about here: "Mortimer's absence felt from long range".........Deadly from shorter distances, Mort was rarely the man for long range frees
True but they needed to try someone else to take the pressure off O'Connor and Mort was their only real option for a switch.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on July 15, 2012, 07:40:37 PM
Spent much of the afternoon feeling very frustrated at proceedings but having had time to reflect I'm actually quite happy with the way we played in the last 20 minutes.
This was a game that a lot of Mayo teams down the years would have lost. The disallowed goal seemed to set us back and Sligo were dropping players back and making things tough. I'll need to see it again but the call on the pass for the 'goal' seemed incorrect at the time.
It has been previously mentioned on here that we are setting up to go for goals and we saw that today. Wrong option. We could have been ahead at half time if we'd just kept it simple and taken some easy points that were on offer. That strategy needs to be ripped up and binned - it could have cost us the game.
What impressed me though was our second half resolve when we kept going behind, we didn't panic, stuck at it in the face of fearsome defending (credit to Sligo for that) and eventually took our chances to get out of there with the cup. Even better was our downright cynicism when we got two points ahead, no way in hell were Sligo getting in for a goal. It cost us a man but won us the game. Some won't like it but nice guys come last and it had to be done - we didn't have that kind of steel in us before Horan became manager.
I thought the full back line in particular were excellent today, Keane has the makings of a top class defender and Cafferkey is really delivering in a way I wasn't sure he ever would. Big Barry has spent the last two games forcing me to eat my words about him (I pretty much gave up on him after his league final performance). Further forward there is a lot of work to be done and a lot of questions still unanswered, but there's three weeks now to try to find some solutions. We'll be going into the All Ireland Series way under the radar but it's great to be there again and it's no harm to still be an unknown quantity this late into the season.
Have to agree with you, was disappointed with the performance. But on reflection you are correct in saying in the past we would have lost such a game. You have to look at the context of todays win. If we had beaten Galway by the same score we would be chuffed. So why are we not happy to beat narrowly beat a Sligo team who easily beat Galway.
What has happened to Barry Moran, he looks so much the part in midfield at the moment.
The cynical side that Mayo showed for the last couple of minutes will not please the gaa world or the media but who cares.
I think that the going for goals strategy was worth doing in the Connacht Championship, you have a second chance should things go wrong tactical wise at this stage of the championship.
Todays game as you say will keep us under the Radar. Everybody will be looking at the Leinster and Ulster finals as well as Kildare, Kerry and Tyrone in the back door. We will be forgotten (for now).
You know Cosmo, you have put a decidedly positive spin on my post and seen as it's getting late. I won't state anything negative in my brief synopsis of the game. I, like yourself am having to eat humble pie about Barry Moran. Also fair play to the lads for having the guts to come back to win. Under a previous regime where Mortimer's club, this more than likely would not have happened. Anyway, well done to the lads. True there are lots of things to learn from. I'll post about them tomorrow night sometime.
Quote from: emmetryan on July 15, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
I've put together tactical analysis on today's for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5981
Good analysis, emmet. I agree broadly with what you have to say with the single exception of your reference to our Conoreen and the difference he might havemade if he had been playing.
Like macd2 says, Conor was never the man for long range frees and I'd add he wasn't noted for long range points from play either.
Even with short range attempts he had his off-days too; assloads of 'em.
Horan, IMO, is doing a mighty job in crafting a side together that will play a type of game is is looking for and he seems to be placing far more emphasis on teamwork and hard graft than on individual brilliance.He definitely needs an alternative free taker when O'Connor is off his form and he needs two corner forwards.
He still has a long way to go before he gets his preferred combination but he's doing grand as it is. When he has finished, who knows....?
Mayo will certainly be a formidable side but it may take some time before they become serious contenders for Sam Maguire.
One last reference to the blonde bombshell; Mort might well have provided Horan with an option but never a long-term solution to either of his immediate problems.
QuoteMayo will certainly be a formidable side but it may take some time before they become serious contenders for Sam Maguire.
Enough of the poor mouthing lads. Mayo are a formidable side and realistic contenders for Sam already.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 16, 2012, 10:58:09 AM
Quote from: emmetryan on July 15, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
I've put together tactical analysis on today's for anyone interested http://action81.com/blog/?p=5981
Good analysis, emmet. I agree broadly with what you have to say with the single exception of your reference to our Conoreen and the difference he might havemade if he had been playing.
Like macd2 says, Conor was never the man for long range frees and I'd add he wasn't noted for long range points from play either.
Even with short range attempts he had his off-days too; assloads of 'em.
Horan, IMO, is doing a mighty job in crafting a side together that will play a type of game is is looking for and he seems to be placing far more emphasis on teamwork and hard graft than on individual brilliance.He definitely needs an alternative free taker when O'Connor is off his form and he needs two corner forwards.
He still has a long way to go before he gets his preferred combination but he's doing grand as it is. When he has finished, who knows....?
Mayo will certainly be a formidable side but it may take some time before they become serious contenders for Sam Maguire.
One last reference to the blonde bombshell; Mort might well have provided Horan with an option but never a long-term solution to either of his immediate problems.
"Mayo will certainly be a formidable side but it may take some time before they become serious contenders for Sam Maguire."
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Quote from: Declan on July 16, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
QuoteMayo will certainly be a formidable side but it may take some time before they become serious contenders for Sam Maguire.
Enough of the poor mouthing lads. Mayo are a formidable side and realistic contenders for Sam already.
;D ;D ;D
Bejaysus, Dec, something tells me you weren't at the game yesterday.
Am I correct or am I right?
QuoteBejaysus, Dec, something tells me you weren't at the game yesterday.
Am I correct or am I right?
Correct and right - Watched in on TV and although not the greatest spectacle and Mayo were a bit wasteful at times I do think they have a great chance this year . No point in peaking too early ;)
Not a good game, especially in the first half - it did pick up a bit in the second however, but the most important thing is we got the victory.
As mentioned previously 1-9 were all good, some very good. I thought Keane, Caff, Boyle and B Moran the best in this sector. Add McLoughlin, Dillon and A Moran to that in the forwards, along with Aido when he came in and it doesn't look like a bad performance. And overall when we look back on it it wasn't that bad of a performance.
I felt initially (first 10 mins or so) our quality of ball into the forwards was poor but it improved after that. The main problem all day was the options we took up front. Sometimes we went too much for goals, sometimes we rushed our shots, sometimes there was plain bad finishing.
On the going for goals too much front I would say it happened maybe 3 or 4 times. One in particular memorably with Donie Vaughan and another time when Doherty shipped a huge shoulder of Donovan (I think). However I think this is a tactic to be honed rather than abandoned. I have felt we've suffered from not taking our goal chances over the years - think of last years Semi with Kerry 5 good goal chances and only one taken.
The other extreme was rushing our shots. Conroy was guilty of this when he came on but Doherty snatched at one in the first half as well. I thought Conroy did well when he came on - he made lots of good runs and showed well for the ball. Maybe however he's better as a sub coming on fresh against tired legs considering if he misses a couple of the start of the game his confidence appears shot.
Bad finishing came about mainly from O'Connor (surprisingly) three frees wide (I think) and one passed short along with another from play. We all know he has the talent and there is no-one else on the squad that would have nailed the '45 near the end. I'd agree with moving him into the corner. Keith and Andy also had two bad misses from fisted attempts which shouldn't happen really.
I'd hope that the tough game and the extra couple of weeks should help in ironing out some of these problems. I'm not overly worried about who we get in the QF's. Kerry, Tyrone and Kildare would be the main threats obviously but one of them will be gone by then. And tbh if we are looking to cement a place alongside Cork and Dublin as part of the best teams in the country we have to be beating any of them.
Poor game and poor performances from both teams yesterday. Both teams had their homework done and cancelled each other out. Sligo by preventing Mayo half backs from raiding forward and Mayo by playing sweeper in front of Kelly and Marren. Game was decided in midfield where Moran and OShea dominated. We simply do not have midfielders big and strong enough to compete against the top teams. That combined with brutal kickouts from Greene allowed Mayo dominate that area.
Horans gameplan for his corner forwards is a strange one -it must not involve putting the ball over the bar. Varley and Doherty had little or no impact on the game and Donovan had Varley in his pocket from early on. Mortimer would have done lot more damage abs would have at least threatened the posts.
Ball into Kelly and Madden was atrocious in first half with the wind and our half forwards were too deep to have an impact in attack. That said Mayo full back line were very solid and didn't give much space to our inside line. Mayo will need to improve and put scoring forwards in the corner forward positions as Sligo sussed them out yesterday and future opponents will also. Nit sure if Sligo will have the appetite for the back door and have a tough draw. Time will tell
Awful game, despite Mayo's dominance this was a game they could easily have lost, dodgy point and gift of a free at the start of the 2nd half helped them along. Varley had a shocker, I can't see him keeping his place, Doherty wasn't a whole lot better and once again O'Connor proves he's no CHF. I hate to see the pulling down of players near the end of a match, it's negative in the extreme.
The only positive i can glean from this was that only a few players had a good game and we still could have won it.
Donovan, ewing and egan were the only players that met expectations in my opinion. High balls into marren and kelly never have and never will work, it needs to be low and into space.
Our midfield is really struggling, which makes everything else very difficult.
Keep the heads up, we are still in it and cant see as many players having an "off day" in 2 weeks time
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 16, 2012, 03:38:10 PM
. High balls into marren and kelly never have and never will work, it needs to be low and into space.
I couldnt understand that at all , two small forwards being marked by lads nearly a head above them.
Overall Mwr always looked more dangerous in attack and once they equalised there was never going to be any doubt as to the winner.
Still Sligo ought to be able to give a better account of themselves v Kildare/Limerick than their abject display v Down in 2010.
I presume if it's Kildare it will be a Croker outing for ye ,
Quote from: Mac2 on July 16, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Awful game, despite Mayo's dominance this was a game they could easily have lost, dodgy point and gift of a free at the start of the 2nd half helped them along. Varley had a shocker, I can't see him keeping his place, Doherty wasn't a whole lot better and once again O'Connor proves he's no CHF. I hate to see the pulling down of players near the end of a match, it's negative in the extreme.
While we should avoid hanging lads out to dry the forwards are going to have to take a hit again.
We ve been trying to understand tactics and stuff but in the case of at least one forward yesterday the problem is pure and simply lack of quality. It s not going to improve and Horan is kidding himself if he persists.
We re not really playing with a CHF so O Connor going inside is not going to affect the hf line much. McLoughlin and Dillon are responsible for most craft and guile around there anyway. The thing is will O Con be an improvement inside anyway? I suspect we ll find out the next day. We have to because yesterday s stuff cannot be repeated. If O Connor had pace you could go with 2 inside. Maybe that s the way to go anyway? 2 from Andy and Conroy/Cillian. Andy has to stay inside cause nobody else can win ball and use it ( though I can t understand why Sligo did not switch a rampant Ross Donavan onto him).
Harte missing limits the options for the half forward line but Freeman should be started here. A fit again SOS would give us options too. But it is not easy to see how we can get a balanced unit from what we have, with the shortcomings that have become glaring at this stage even though they have been obvious for some time.
Evan Regan has been injured and wasn t even togged. He s slight and he s young but likes of David Kelly is no monster. A fit Rean will have to leapfrog a couple of these forwards. He could be no worse and he probably be a lot better. As a forward if he s not good enough at 19 he probably never will be. Tyrone had no issue bringing young McCurry and throwing him in against Ross.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 16, 2012, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on July 16, 2012, 03:38:10 PM
. High balls into marren and kelly never have and never will work, it needs to be low and into space.
I couldnt understand that at all , two small forwards being marked by lads nearly a head above them.Overall Mwr always looked more dangerous in attack and once they equalised there was never going to be any doubt as to the winner.
Still Sligo ought to be able to give a better account of themselves v Kildare/Limerick than their abject display v Down in 2010.
I presume if it's Kildare it will be a Croker outing for ye ,
What else was going to happen? While the Mayo match up s were not like I expected I have to say Mayo management got them spot on. A lot is being made of the quality of ball into the two, I suspect that it was as good as they could manage. Walsh was annoyed about the amount of ball kicked down the throat of the sweeping player - often Higgins - surely he was expecting a covering player in the space in front of Kelly and Maren? The ball was high to get over the cover. Mayo had too much pace to kick around them. As a result K&M had to come deeper and deeper to get on controlled passses. In spite of all of that Marren managed to get on the end of a good few chances. He kicked something like 5 wides. I wouldn t be surprised if Kildare come unstuck against Lim or more probably Sligo.
I think Mayo will go far this year, at least the semi-finals. They only team I'd fear (from their perspective) is Cork, and they can't meet them till the final.
They played pretty much as badly as they could and still beat the 2nd best team in Connacht. They came through a pressurised situation and I never thought they'd lose (albeit gotta couple of breaks late on which probably deprived Sligo of getting a deserved last gasp draw). I think we'll see a big improvement from Mayo in the quarters in Croker in early August.
Quote from: Hound on July 16, 2012, 04:26:42 PM
I think Mayo will go far this year, at least the semi-finals. They only team I'd fear (from their perspective) is Cork, and they can't meet them till the final.
They played pretty much as badly as they could and still beat the 2nd best team in Connacht. They came through a pressurised situation and I never thought they'd lose (albeit gotta couple of breaks late on which probably deprived Sligo of getting a deserved last gasp draw). I think we'll see a big improvement from Mayo in the quarters in Croker in early August.
And whoever they meet in the quarters will fancy that they can take Mayo handily enough, suits us down to the ground.....should be an interesting bank holiday weekend.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 16, 2012, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 16, 2012, 04:26:42 PM
I think Mayo will go far this year, at least the semi-finals. They only team I'd fear (from their perspective) is Cork, and they can't meet them till the final.
They played pretty much as badly as they could and still beat the 2nd best team in Connacht. They came through a pressurised situation and I never thought they'd lose (albeit gotta couple of breaks late on which probably deprived Sligo of getting a deserved last gasp draw). I think we'll see a big improvement from Mayo in the quarters in Croker in early August.
And whoever they meet in the quarters will fancy that they can take Mayo handily enough, suits us down to the ground.....should be an interesting bank holiday weekend.
There ll be no problem with hype anyway after yesterday. Poor Mayo crowd in the Hyde yesterday for a Minor/Senior doubleheader.
Strange and different reactions around town last night. Most who had attended the game were happy and saw considerable merit in the way we dug out a hard win and agreed that most individuals performed well. Those who stayed at home and watched tv were dismissive and underwhelmed. Those who went fishing instead were contemptive of any suggestion that any positives could be taken from the performance! As usual the most vociferous opinion in the county comes from those informed by The Western and local radio.
Not complaining. The more these gobshites stay home the better imo. Of course Conorgate is still the major news. Yesterday s poor showing by cornerforwards could not have been more unfortunate in its timing as far as management is concerned.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 12:09:39 AM
You know Cosmo, you have put a decidedly positive spin on my post and seen as it's getting late. I won't state anything negative in my brief synopsis of the game. I, like yourself am having to eat humble pie about Barry Moran. Also fair play to the lads for having the guts to come back to win. Under a previous regime where Mortimer's club, this more than likely would not have happened. Anyway, well done to the lads. True there are lots of things to learn from. I'll post about them tomorrow night sometime.
Farrandeelin, would you mind clarifying what you mean in reference to "Under a previous regime where Mortimer's club"?
Quote from: ballinaman on July 16, 2012, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 16, 2012, 04:26:42 PM
I think Mayo will go far this year, at least the semi-finals. They only team I'd fear (from their perspective) is Cork, and they can't meet them till the final.
They played pretty much as badly as they could and still beat the 2nd best team in Connacht. They came through a pressurised situation and I never thought they'd lose (albeit gotta couple of breaks late on which probably deprived Sligo of getting a deserved last gasp draw). I think we'll see a big improvement from Mayo in the quarters in Croker in early August.
And whoever they meet in the quarters will fancy that they can take Mayo handily enough, suits us down to the ground.....should be an interesting bank holiday weekend.
I think most teams apart from Kerry would be wary enough given that Mayo surprised Cork last year as we're always capable of creating an upset when we get this far.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 16, 2012, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 16, 2012, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 16, 2012, 04:26:42 PM
I think Mayo will go far this year, at least the semi-finals. They only team I'd fear (from their perspective) is Cork, and they can't meet them till the final.
They played pretty much as badly as they could and still beat the 2nd best team in Connacht. They came through a pressurised situation and I never thought they'd lose (albeit gotta couple of breaks late on which probably deprived Sligo of getting a deserved last gasp draw). I think we'll see a big improvement from Mayo in the quarters in Croker in early August.
And whoever they meet in the quarters will fancy that they can take Mayo handily enough, suits us down to the ground.....should be an interesting bank holiday weekend.
I think most teams apart from Kerry would be wary enough given that Mayo surprised Cork last year as we're always capable of creating an upset when we get this far.
And we're equally capable of having a mare of a day as well....A team which has won a few qualifiers on the bounce will always fancy their chances against us. No harm in that at all sure, we'll be the forgotten team come the bank holiday weekend I imagine.
Two forward players gone from the panel in the form of Mortimer and Harte and still no sign of Kilcoyne coming back into the panel. Very hard to believe when you see the performance of some of our forwards over the last 2 years never mind the last two games. He must be considered as an option. I know lads on the current panel cannot believe that he is not involved.
It has been preached to me on here that Horan was going to pick players on there current form. Apart from Dillon, O' Connor, Moran and McLoughlin, when did these other forwards last have a half decent day out. It is 2 years since some of them had a decent game in a competitive match.
Our hopes rest with one Aiden O'Shea. A bullock of a man and not since the 'bomber' Brogan have I seen a Mayo player who is quite capable of turning a game on his own. Fair play to him for getting over the injury and for driving the team on yesterday.
Quote from: Drummer on July 16, 2012, 05:17:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 12:09:39 AM
You know Cosmo, you have put a decidedly positive spin on my post and seen as it's getting late. I won't state anything negative in my brief synopsis of the game. I, like yourself am having to eat humble pie about Barry Moran. Also fair play to the lads for having the guts to come back to win. Under a previous regime where Mortimer's club, this more than likely would not have happened. Anyway, well done to the lads. True there are lots of things to learn from. I'll post about them tomorrow night sometime.
Farrandeelin, would you mind clarifying what you mean in reference to "Under a previous regime where Mortimer's club"?
Arra, the poor devil has so much humble pie to eat that he's probably too stuffed now to get back to you.
(I'll be waiting for his answer as well because I'm never sure what the hoor is on about at anytime. ;D)
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 16, 2012, 06:13:35 PM
Two forward players gone from the panel in the form of Mortimer and Harte and still no sign of Kilcoyne coming back into the panel. Very hard to believe when you see the performance of some of our forwards over the last 2 years never mind the last two games. He must be considered as an option. I know lads on the current panel cannot believe that he is not involved.
It has been preached to me on here that Horan was going to pick players on there current form. Apart from Dillon, O' Connor, Moran and McLoughlin, when did these other forwards last have a half decent day out. It is 2 years since some any of them had a decent game in a competitive match.
Our hopes rest with one Aiden O'Shea. A bullock of a man and not since the 'bomber' Brogan have I seen a Mayo player who is quite capable of turning a game on his own. Fair play to him for getting over the injury and for driving the team on yesterday.
Fixed that for you ;)
Quote from: moysider on July 16, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 16, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Awful game, despite Mayo's dominance this was a game they could easily have lost, dodgy point and gift of a free at the start of the 2nd half helped them along. Varley had a shocker, I can't see him keeping his place, Doherty wasn't a whole lot better and once again O'Connor proves he's no CHF. I hate to see the pulling down of players near the end of a match, it's negative in the extreme.
While we should avoid hanging lads out to dry the forwards are going to have to take a hit again.
We ve been trying to understand tactics and stuff but in the case of at least one forward yesterday the problem is pure and simply lack of quality. It s not going to improve and Horan is kidding himself if he persists.
We re not really playing with a CHF so O Connor going inside is not going to affect the hf line much. McLoughlin and Dillon are responsible for most craft and guile around there anyway. The thing is will O Con be an improvement inside anyway? I suspect we ll find out the next day. We have to because yesterday s stuff cannot be repeated. If O Connor had pace you could go with 2 inside. Maybe that s the way to go anyway? 2 from Andy and Conroy/Cillian. Andy has to stay inside cause nobody else can win ball and use it ( though I can t understand why Sligo did not switch a rampant Ross Donavan onto him).
Harte missing limits the options for the half forward line but Freeman should be started here. A fit again SOS would give us options too. But it is not easy to see how we can get a balanced unit from what we have, with the shortcomings that have become glaring at this stage even though they have been obvious for some time.
Evan Regan has been injured and wasn t even togged. He s slight and he s young but likes of David Kelly is no monster. A fit Rean will have to leapfrog a couple of these forwards. He could be no worse and he probably be a lot better. As a forward if he s not good enough at 19 he probably never will be. Tyrone had no issue bringing young McCurry and throwing him in against Ross.
I don't know what planet you operate from but here on Earth very few players aged 19 show more than promise. Dumping them in at the deep end without much preparation is a recipe for stunting their growth. A few players swim but most need more time. That tells you nothing about how good they will eventually be as seniors. McCrory came on with the match well and truly over against us, I'd temper any hype about using that as an example if I were you.
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 16, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 16, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Awful game, despite Mayo's dominance this was a game they could easily have lost, dodgy point and gift of a free at the start of the 2nd half helped them along. Varley had a shocker, I can't see him keeping his place, Doherty wasn't a whole lot better and once again O'Connor proves he's no CHF. I hate to see the pulling down of players near the end of a match, it's negative in the extreme.
While we should avoid hanging lads out to dry the forwards are going to have to take a hit again.
We ve been trying to understand tactics and stuff but in the case of at least one forward yesterday the problem is pure and simply lack of quality. It s not going to improve and Horan is kidding himself if he persists.
We re not really playing with a CHF so O Connor going inside is not going to affect the hf line much. McLoughlin and Dillon are responsible for most craft and guile around there anyway. The thing is will O Con be an improvement inside anyway? I suspect we ll find out the next day. We have to because yesterday s stuff cannot be repeated. If O Connor had pace you could go with 2 inside. Maybe that s the way to go anyway? 2 from Andy and Conroy/Cillian. Andy has to stay inside cause nobody else can win ball and use it ( though I can t understand why Sligo did not switch a rampant Ross Donavan onto him).
Harte missing limits the options for the half forward line but Freeman should be started here. A fit again SOS would give us options too. But it is not easy to see how we can get a balanced unit from what we have, with the shortcomings that have become glaring at this stage even though they have been obvious for some time.
Evan Regan has been injured and wasn t even togged. He s slight and he s young but likes of David Kelly is no monster. A fit Rean will have to leapfrog a couple of these forwards. He could be no worse and he probably be a lot better. As a forward if he s not good enough at 19 he probably never will be. Tyrone had no issue bringing young McCurry and throwing him in against Ross.
I don't know what planet you operate from but here on Earth very few players aged 19 show more than promise. Dumping them in at the deep end without much preparation is a recipe for stunting their growth. A few players swim but most need more time. That tells you nothing about how good they will eventually be as seniors. McCrory came on with the match well and truly over against us, I'd temper any hype about using that as an example if I were you.
Wind your smart tongue back in there sonny. Getting tiresome you butting in all the time. Oh and when you make a point to me you can drop 'planet earth' and smart-arse shite. It makes you seem like a less likable person than you usually come across as. Arrogant so and so.
The reality is that many of the top forwards all played championship 19/20. They might have been exceptional but right now we need something exceptional.
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Quote from: saffronandblue on July 16, 2012, 06:13:35 PM
Two forward players gone from the panel in the form of Mortimer and Harte and still no sign of Kilcoyne coming back into the panel. Very hard to believe when you see the performance of some of our forwards over the last 2 years never mind the last two games. He must be considered as an option. I know lads on the current panel cannot believe that he is not involved.
It has been preached to me on here that Horan was going to pick players on there current form. Apart from Dillon, O' Connor, Moran and McLoughlin, when did these other forwards last have a half decent day out. It is 2 years since some any of them had a decent game in a competitive match.
Our hopes rest with one Aiden O'Shea. A bullock of a man and not since the 'bomber' Brogan have I seen a Mayo player who is quite capable of turning a game on his own. Fair play to him for getting over the injury and for driving the team on yesterday.
Fixed that for you ;)
Your a real gent Moysider :)
Quote from: moysider on July 16, 2012, 07:27:37 PM
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 16, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Awful game, despite Mayo's dominance this was a game they could easily have lost, dodgy point and gift of a free at the start of the 2nd half helped them along. Varley had a shocker, I can't see him keeping his place, Doherty wasn't a whole lot better and once again O'Connor proves he's no CHF. I hate to see the pulling down of players near the end of a match, it's negative in the extreme.
While we should avoid hanging lads out to dry the forwards are going to have to take a hit again.
We ve been trying to understand tactics and stuff but in the case of at least one forward yesterday the problem is pure and simply lack of quality. It s not going to improve and Horan is kidding himself if he persists.
We re not really playing with a CHF so O Connor going inside is not going to affect the hf line much. McLoughlin and Dillon are responsible for most craft and guile around there anyway. The thing is will O Con be an improvement inside anyway? I suspect we ll find out the next day. We have to because yesterday s stuff cannot be repeated. If O Connor had pace you could go with 2 inside. Maybe that s the way to go anyway? 2 from Andy and Conroy/Cillian. Andy has to stay inside cause nobody else can win ball and use it ( though I can t understand why Sligo did not switch a rampant Ross Donavan onto him).
Harte missing limits the options for the half forward line but Freeman should be started here. A fit again SOS would give us options too. But it is not easy to see how we can get a balanced unit from what we have, with the shortcomings that have become glaring at this stage even though they have been obvious for some time.
Evan Regan has been injured and wasn t even togged. He s slight and he s young but likes of David Kelly is no monster. A fit Rean will have to leapfrog a couple of these forwards. He could be no worse and he probably be a lot better. As a forward if he s not good enough at 19 he probably never will be. Tyrone had no issue bringing young McCurry and throwing him in against Ross.
I don't know what planet you operate from but here on Earth very few players aged 19 show more than promise. Dumping them in at the deep end without much preparation is a recipe for stunting their growth. A few players swim but most need more time. That tells you nothing about how good they will eventually be as seniors. McCrory came on with the match well and truly over against us, I'd temper any hype about using that as an example if I were you.
Wind your smart tongue back in there sonny. Getting tiresome you butting in all the time. Oh and when you make a point to me you can drop 'planet earth' and smart-arse shite. It makes you seem like a less likable person than you usually come across as. Arrogant so and so.
The reality is that many of the top forwards all played championship 19/20. They might have been exceptional but right now we need something exceptional.
Pot n' kettle. Don't throw stones in plexiglass houses. Choose your cliche, it applies.
It was an absolutely incredible thing to say if a player isn't good enough at 19 he's likely never to be. You could ream list upon list of players who only ever hit their strides in theit 3rd and 4th years - or more - and who before that they were viewed as role players, your own Andy Moran being a perfect example of a player who has become All-Ireland class as he's approached 30. It was a seriously dismissive thing to say about teenaged amateur footballers and hence why you got a few shots across the bow for your trouble. This isn't the Man Utd. academy, players need patience and plenty of work at senior before they're written off, and you've got neither if you're 19 and on a senior panel.
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 07:40:40 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 16, 2012, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 16, 2012, 04:03:23 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 16, 2012, 01:00:42 PM
Awful game, despite Mayo's dominance this was a game they could easily have lost, dodgy point and gift of a free at the start of the 2nd half helped them along. Varley had a shocker, I can't see him keeping his place, Doherty wasn't a whole lot better and once again O'Connor proves he's no CHF. I hate to see the pulling down of players near the end of a match, it's negative in the extreme.
While we should avoid hanging lads out to dry the forwards are going to have to take a hit again.
We ve been trying to understand tactics and stuff but in the case of at least one forward yesterday the problem is pure and simply lack of quality. It s not going to improve and Horan is kidding himself if he persists.
We re not really playing with a CHF so O Connor going inside is not going to affect the hf line much. McLoughlin and Dillon are responsible for most craft and guile around there anyway. The thing is will O Con be an improvement inside anyway? I suspect we ll find out the next day. We have to because yesterday s stuff cannot be repeated. If O Connor had pace you could go with 2 inside. Maybe that s the way to go anyway? 2 from Andy and Conroy/Cillian. Andy has to stay inside cause nobody else can win ball and use it ( though I can t understand why Sligo did not switch a rampant Ross Donavan onto him).
Harte missing limits the options for the half forward line but Freeman should be started here. A fit again SOS would give us options too. But it is not easy to see how we can get a balanced unit from what we have, with the shortcomings that have become glaring at this stage even though they have been obvious for some time.
Evan Regan has been injured and wasn t even togged. He s slight and he s young but likes of David Kelly is no monster. A fit Rean will have to leapfrog a couple of these forwards. He could be no worse and he probably be a lot better. As a forward if he s not good enough at 19 he probably never will be. Tyrone had no issue bringing young McCurry and throwing him in against Ross.
I don't know what planet you operate from but here on Earth very few players aged 19 show more than promise. Dumping them in at the deep end without much preparation is a recipe for stunting their growth. A few players swim but most need more time. That tells you nothing about how good they will eventually be as seniors. McCrory came on with the match well and truly over against us, I'd temper any hype about using that as an example if I were you.
Wind your smart tongue back in there sonny. Getting tiresome you butting in all the time. Oh and when you make a point to me you can drop 'planet earth' and smart-arse shite. It makes you seem like a less likable person than you usually come across as. Arrogant so and so.
The reality is that many of the top forwards all played championship 19/20. They might have been exceptional but right now we need something exceptional.
Pot n' kettle. Don't throw stones in plexiglass houses. Choose your cliche, it applies.
It was an absolutely incredible thing to say if a player isn't good enough at 19 he's likely never to be. You could ream list upon list of players who only ever hit their strides in theit 3rd and 4th years - or more - and who before that they were viewed as role players, your own Andy Moran being a perfect example of a player who has become All-Ireland class as he's approached 30. It was a seriously dismissive thing to say about teenaged amateur footballers and hence why you got a few shots across the bow for your trouble. This isn't the Man Utd. academy, players need patience and plenty of work at senior before they're written off, and you've got neither if you're 19 and on a senior panel.
Nither cliche applies. Don t ever remember trying to give you a lesson in astronomy.
I was talking about a certain forward ( not a midfielder or defender ) that I think is better at 19 than some of our older forwards on the panel. Several forwards have been good enough to play at 19 in the past and I think he might be too. Some of our current players were not good enough at 19 but they re still not good enough mid 20s and wont be either I m afraid. Many forwards are already there at 19/20 and unfortunately many that are not never are. I m talking about forwards. Andy was never considered an out and out forward early and has played wing back. As a kid he was used as a ball winner and link player. The type of player I m talking about is an inside forward scoregetter. A specialist.
Nerve racking game yesterday, Mayo made awful hard work of it. Overall I would be relatively happy with the win, considering the pressure that was put on Mayo by this weeks antics.
Our defence was Ok in general but I thought the Mayo half back line struggled a bit. Bolye and Keegan were poor in possession, and both kicked away the ball too much, either straight to the opposition or out over the sideline. Mayo also seemed to lose a lot of breaks in the second half and it was the Sligo half forwards that were doing the damage. Would liked to have seen Richie Feeney come in to see could he settle things. Clarke was solid as a rock.
Barry Moran continues to defy critics and was brilliant all day. Geraghty did his job but Aidan definitely lifted things when he came in.
Up front the forwards had a bad day, bar Dillon. O Connor flourished when he finally went inside from centre forward towards the end of the game. He is far happier in there. I think that Mayo's best attack would be to have O Se at centre forward allowing him to do what he did yesterday and run at defences, and link up the play. He could also be a another option for kickouts. Freeman and Conroy also had an instant positive effect when they were introduced.
Based on yesterday, for the quarters I would like to see:
McLoughlin, O Se, Dillon
Conroy, Andy, O Connor
You could always bring in Freeman at FF or CF and push O Se to the middle if our midfield tired, or was struggling. I would seriously consider starting Feeney too.
Quote from: TyrionLannister on July 16, 2012, 08:41:08 PM
Nerve racking game yesterday, Mayo made awful hard work of it. Overall I would be relatively happy with the win, considering the pressure that was put on Mayo by this weeks antics.
Our defence was Ok in general but I thought the Mayo half back line struggled a bit. Bolye and Keegan were poor in possession, and both kicked away the ball too much, either straight to the opposition or out over the sideline. Mayo also seemed to lose a lot of breaks in the second half and it was the Sligo half forwards that were doing the damage. Would liked to have seen Richie Feeney come in to see could he settle things. Clarke was solid as a rock.
Barry Moran continues to defy critics and was brilliant all day. Geraghty did his job but Aidan definitely lifted things when he came in.
Up front the forwards had a bad day, bar Dillon. O Connor flourished when he finally went inside from centre forward towards the end of the game. He is far happier in there. I think that Mayo's best attack would be to have O Se at centre forward allowing him to do what he did yesterday and run at defences, and link up the play. He could also be a another option for kickouts. Freeman and Conroy also had an instant positive effect when they were introduced.
Based on yesterday, for the quarters I would like to see:
McLoughlin, O Se, Dillon
Conroy, Andy, O Connor
You could always bring in Freeman at FF or CF and push O Se to the middle if our midfield tired, or was struggling. I would seriously consider starting Feeney too.
+1
Between 2005-2012 no other province in Ireland gets close when it come to competitive,tight,tense finals. The outsiders looking in will say Connacht titles are easy to win. Yesterday was the first in 15 years that Mayo retained Nestor while we were told "sure you only beat Sligo in final" i'm sure after yesterday Mayo fans saw first hand how difficult Sligo are to beat in a Connacht final.
Mayo won't be fearing any of the possible quarter final opponents. Horan is doing what any decent manager should do, building his team from the back they will be difficult to beat but lack of scoring forwards means they will come up short in the race for Sam.
For Sligo it all depends on their appetite for the qualifiers, on form they are capable of beating Limerick or Kildare.
OK, Lar and Drummer. In the O'Mahony years Mayo would have lost that game. That's all I'm saying. Why the hell I brought 'Mortimer's club' into it is anybody's guess ;D, but let's just say there were a few Shrule men on the panel at that time. I'm having a go at O'Mahony more than anything and last night I was pretty tired when I was writing so the sentence managed to 'drift off' as did I later on in the night!
Positives, AOS and Barry Moran. As Eugene McGee said Aiden O'Shea brought brains to the middle area. Now I'm sick and tired of hearing people saying Aiden O'Shea has no brain, will never learn etc, by Jesus we needed him yesterday and his presence was the turning point. Also the backs, my Roscommon relatives couldn't understand how the performance of Kelly and Marren had dropped so considerably. However, this defensive unit is as good as any if only we had a few forwards that could score.
Negatives, well I did say there would be only a point or two in it at the end didn't I! And that's precisely what happened. However, Mayo's forwards made it that way because to be honest, they simply aren't good enough. Doherty and Varley who started, not good. Conroy and Freeman who went on, despite Conroy's attempt to have a go, still not great impact subs and other backlines wouldn't quake in their boots when facing them. Another negative, moreso a worry is that Cillian O'Connor, last year's player of the year hasn't done it at no 11. Whether Horan has finally seen that at this stage is another thing. Maybe it's just a second season syndrome thing with Cillian, I hope so.
Also, Kilcoyne is in England working. He's not available either. Just coming home for the rest of Knockmore's championship games is all he'll be doing this year I'm afraid. It's a pity but what can one do in these times.
Mayo teams of the recent past would have lost that final and last year's one against us. They won ugly but credit has to go to Sligo for putting them under so much constant pressure. Mayo will definitely improve for the quarterfinal just as they did last year. They are now a modern well organised panel. Not as entertaining to watch but much more effective. Best of luck to them. Genuinley hope they do well. Same goes for Sligo.
Congrats to Mayo and Andy Moran. Tough luck to Sligo who had the winning of this. Costello on a few moves and Kelly on one occasion took the wrong option when a simple pass would have yielded a point. All the hop balls due to collapsed scrums were a disaster for Sligo because the ref might as well have handed the ball to Barry Moran such was his dominance there. The point that was not and another was dubious too. Indeed the town end umpire thought about giving Mayo even another. Mayo's backs are impressive and very comfortable under high ball and indeed Sligo kept them fed but not enough cutting edge in the forwards. That was very evident in league final but backs will keep them competitive against most teams. Despite all the criticism, the Hyde was in nice shape this weekend. The only criticism from a bunch of Mayomen around me was all the spiders in the stand, which must have brought them good luck.
Quote from: ross4life on July 16, 2012, 09:23:52 PM
Between 2005-2012 no other province in Ireland gets close when it come to competitive,tight,tense finals. The outsiders looking in will say Connacht titles are easy to win. Yesterday was the first in 15 years that Mayo retained Nestor while we were told "sure you only beat Sligo in final" i'm sure after yesterday Mayo fans saw first hand how difficult Sligo are to beat in a Connacht final.
Mayo won't be fearing any of the possible quarter final opponents. Horan is doing what any decent manager should do, building his team from the back they will be difficult to beat but lack of scoring forwards means they will come up short in the race for Sam.
For Sligo it all depends on their appetite for the qualifiers, on form they are capable of beating Limerick or Kildare.
Alot of people were down on the game but I thought it was an enjoyable and at times exciting contest, full-contact stuff where you could tell neither team hadn't a single notion of just going through the motions. Not one for purists but I'd prefer a tight, tense game over most of what we've got on tv so far this year.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
OK, Lar and Drummer. In the O'Mahony years Mayo would have lost that game. That's all I'm saying. Why the hell I brought 'Mortimer's club' into it is anybody's guess ;D, but let's just say there were a few Shrule men on the panel at that time.
Well Farrandeelin, it's worth pointing out that there were just as many, if not more, Knockmore players knocking around during the same period i.e. McLoughlin, Howley, Kilcoyne, Munnelly. So I wouldn't be so quick to blame S/G players for failures during O'Mahony's time in charge. In fact I wouldn't point the finger at any individual player or group of players in relation to those losses. If the same system and style of play was in place during those years as we currently have then it's likely results would have been alot different.
It's also worth pointing out that "there were a few Shrule men on the panel" on plenty of occasions during the 00s when Mayo displayed the grit and spirit required to win big games, games which were significantly more important than last Sunday. So I think you should give a bit more thought in future before making such lazy and uninformed comments about a club who have served Mayo teams as prominently as any other club during the last 15 years or so.
Delighted with the win.
James Horan is doing a fantastic job, and the players really are giving their all. This is the best Mayo team in 15 years.
Think we will probably come up short this year since we just don't have the top class forwards to bring us over the line. But if we keep working at things we may get the break in the next 2/3 years.
Quote from: Drummer on July 17, 2012, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
OK, Lar and Drummer. In the O'Mahony years Mayo would have lost that game. That's all I'm saying. Why the hell I brought 'Mortimer's club' into it is anybody's guess ;D, but let's just say there were a few Shrule men on the panel at that time.
Well Farrandeelin, it's worth pointing out that there were just as many, if not more, Knockmore players knocking around during the same period i.e. McLoughlin, Howley, Kilcoyne, Munnelly. So I wouldn't be so quick to blame S/G players for failures during O'Mahony's time in charge. In fact I wouldn't point the finger at any individual player or group of players in relation to those losses. If the same system and style of play was in place during those years as we currently have then it's likely results would have been alot different.
It's also worth pointing out that "there were a few Shrule men on the panel" on plenty of occasions during the 00s when Mayo displayed the grit and spirit required to win big games, games which were significantly more important than last Sunday. So I think you should give a bit more thought in future before making such lazy and uninformed comments about a club who have served Mayo teams as prominently as any other club during the last 15 years or so.
I think he was probably having a pop at the reference to the presence or absence of S/G players in the Mortimer family statement than having a pop at S/G itself Drummer. That's how I picked it up anyway.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
OK, Lar and Drummer. In the O'Mahony years Mayo would have lost that game. That's all I'm saying. Why the hell I brought 'Mortimer's club' into it is anybody's guess ;D, but let's just say there were a few Shrule men on the panel at that time. I'm having a go at O'Mahony more than anything and last night I was pretty tired when I was writing so the sentence managed to 'drift off' as did I later on in the night!
Positives, AOS and Barry Moran. As Eugene McGee said Aiden O'Shea brought brains to the middle area. Now I'm sick and tired of hearing people saying Aiden O'Shea has no brain, will never learn etc, by Jesus we needed him yesterday and his presence was the turning point. Also the backs, my Roscommon relatives couldn't understand how the performance of Kelly and Marren had dropped so considerably. However, this defensive unit is as good as any if only we had a few forwards that could score.
Negatives, well I did say there would be only a point or two in it at the end didn't I! And that's precisely what happened. However, Mayo's forwards made it that way because to be honest, they simply aren't good enough. Doherty and Varley who started, not good. Conroy and Freeman who went on, despite Conroy's attempt to have a go, still not great impact subs and other backlines wouldn't quake in their boots when facing them. Another negative, moreso a worry is that Cillian O'Connor, last year's player of the year hasn't done it at no 11. Whether Horan has finally seen that at this stage is another thing. Maybe it's just a second season syndrome thing with Cillian, I hope so.
Also, Kilcoyne is in England working. He's not available either. Just coming home for the rest of Knockmore's championship games is all he'll be doing this year I'm afraid. It's a pity but what can one do in these times.
Arra, sure I had a fair idea of what you were trying to say. ;D
Did you mean to add something like this, "had several players involved," after "Mortimer's club?"
If that's what youreally intended saying, I'm more puzzled than ever.
At first glance, you appear to imply that the presence of a few Shrule men on the panel screwed things up under "a previous regime" and, as a result, the side would have buckled under the pressure that Sligo exerted on Sunday?
You're not seriously implying that; are you?
You're doing a mighty fine job over in the Local Discussion posting up the the fixtures and results on the Mayo club scheme and you know better than I that Shrule/Glencorrib are playing pure cat at present.
I think you are annoyed at the Mortimers' claim that Horan doesn't like the Shrule club and doesn't pick players from there because of this.
That claim was an outrageous attack on Horan's character.
Now, if you really meant to say, feck the Mortimers: James and co. were still able to dig in and grind out a result without any Shrule players on the panel I'd agree with you.
Still, it's an awkward way of stating an obvious point.
Quote from: Barney on July 17, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
Delighted with the win.
James Horan is doing a fantastic job, and the players really are giving their all. This is the best Mayo team in 15 years.
Think we will probably come up short this year since we just don't have the top class forwards to bring us over the line. But if we keep working at things we may get the break in the next 2/3 years.
Bang on, Barney. Good to see you posting again.
James is doing a superb job and bit by bit, he is crafting a good side together.
I think he's filled every position except the CF spots. It's impossible to say if his best will be good enough or not, but he's heading in the right direction.
Players have developed into their position like flowers popping up in springtime.One after another. Barry Moran is the latest to show that Horan's patience and his faith in him were justified.
(Will Barry be able to play in the next game?)
Barry should be fine for the next game Lar barring injury( fingers crossed for the big man) because he got two yellows rather than a straight red, which doesn't carry a suspension as far as I know.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 17, 2012, 10:54:47 AM
Quote from: Drummer on July 17, 2012, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
OK, Lar and Drummer. In the O'Mahony years Mayo would have lost that game. That's all I'm saying. Why the hell I brought 'Mortimer's club' into it is anybody's guess ;D, but let's just say there were a few Shrule men on the panel at that time.
Well Farrandeelin, it's worth pointing out that there were just as many, if not more, Knockmore players knocking around during the same period i.e. McLoughlin, Howley, Kilcoyne, Munnelly. So I wouldn't be so quick to blame S/G players for failures during O'Mahony's time in charge. In fact I wouldn't point the finger at any individual player or group of players in relation to those losses. If the same system and style of play was in place during those years as we currently have then it's likely results would have been alot different.
It's also worth pointing out that "there were a few Shrule men on the panel" on plenty of occasions during the 00s when Mayo displayed the grit and spirit required to win big games, games which were significantly more important than last Sunday. So I think you should give a bit more thought in future before making such lazy and uninformed comments about a club who have served Mayo teams as prominently as any other club during the last 15 years or so.
I think he was probably having a pop at the reference to the presence or absence of S/G players in the Mortimer family statement than having a pop at S/G itself Drummer. That's how I picked it up anyway.
Bang on ICC. Nothing against Shrule at all. I did say I was having a go at the O'Mahony era that, under the circumstances we would probably have given in with a few minutes to go. And while you're at it there Drummer, I thought McLoughlin was ineffective, Kilcoyne was right to be dropped because he was not producing scores for Knockmore. Howley was never a number 6 and Munnelly was too light for intercounty football. I still think Shane McHale is a good full back but hey, he's not making it for a reason and that reason is because the backs we have are top notch!
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 17, 2012, 12:03:26 PM
Barry should be fine for the next game Lar barring injury( fingers crossed for the big man) because he got two yellows rather than a straight red, which doesn't carry a suspension as far as I know.
Was wondering that meself, if he got a straight red he'd miss the next match. Barry and Aiden are a great midfield pairing.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Also the backs, my Roscommon relatives couldn't understand how the performance of Kelly and Marren had dropped so considerably.
Not hard to figure that one out. Against Galway there was acres of empty space left in front of the Galway full-back line for Kelly and Marren to exploit. They were left one on one so often during the second half in particular it was ridiculous. Mayo have not been nearly as naive as we currently are and they usually have plenty of players back behind the ball defending, clogging up the space in between the full-back and half-back lines.
That game was never going to be as easy as some people thought but Mayo could have made it a small bit easier on themselves if they had been more effective in taking their chances in the first half. But I really think that the Mortimer saga combined with the lack of a meaningful game since the NFL Final combined to produce the rustiness and nervous play we saw in the first half.
But they upped it after the break and weren't disrupted by the excellent character that Sligo showed in responding to practically every Mayo score with a point at the other end within a minute. Credit to Sligo there.
Colm Keys in the Irish Indo was bang on when talking about Mortimer. He said his timing in leaving could never be justified but the reasons for it stand up to some scrutiny. That's true on how our corner-forwards played, especially Varley. But it didn't give Mortimer the right to do what he did and we must cope without him - I wouldn't like to see any notions entertained of him being brought back because he has done so much damage now.
As regards the team for the quarter-final I would love to see a situation where Seamie O'Shea was fit or either Gibbons or McGarrity found form so that one of the three of them could accompany Barry at midfield, free up Aidan O'Shea to 11 and release Cillian to one of the corner-forward slots. Aidan is a real dynamic number 11 but I think we will have to play him at midfield. Other options are to play Freeman at 11 and Cillian in the corner, Andy at 11 and Freeman at 14, Dillon at 11 and Richie Feeney or Seamie O'Shea at 12 or stick with Cillian at 11. I hope Horan doesn't try to stick it out with Cillian there. He would have been a much bigger threat for Ross Donavan at 13. And if I was to pick someone else for the other corner it would be Michael Conroy. He should have scored the last day on two occasions but he showed well and won ball in space. The accuracy can be refined, the ability to win his ball and create the chance is there already.
Just about able to put a few words on here now. Very disappointed with the result obviously but I'd see it as a major missed opportunity. We could easily have done it and when you factor in the 2010 clusterfcuk it just makes it worse. I've seen us in 5 Connacht finals and the 4 we've lost are by a combined 7 points. We really should have one or two more on the board over the last 15 years. Really sick walking out amidst hordes of Mayo people as the cup was being presented. It means nothing to ye at all.
Neither side played well but I expected both managments to have their homework done and so they did. I'd be a bit frustrated about our attempts to circumvent Mayo's tactics, think we had options that weren't explored or used way too late. Some second half scores were given away far too cheaply. O'Se obviously made a huge difference but our kickouts shouldn't have been going his way. I know Mayo missed quite a number of chances but a couple of ones we missed really cost us in the end. Pity one of them wasn't given as a point, it never seems to go that way...Our team are very fit and well prepared. We possibly deserved another crack at it but didn't get it.
On Mayo - I think Barney is right. A lot of people will downgrade Mayo's rating based on that performance but Sligo did a decent job at cutting off a lot of options for Mayo. Horan is a good manager who knows what he is at and is getting the players to work hard. i've no doubt they'll improve, the QF draw will be interesting.
I hear you about the kickouts to O'Shea's wing Seanie but Barry Moran was winning everything on his wing as well. I think that was essentially the difference between the teams - Mayo's midfield dominance, they must have won 20 clean possessions.
Can anyone solve an argument? What age is Eamon O'Hara?
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
Just about able to put a few words on here now. Very disappointed with the result obviously but I'd see it as a major missed opportunity. We could easily have done it and when you factor in the 2010 clusterfcuk it just makes it worse. I've seen us in 5 Connacht finals and the 4 we've lost are by a combined 7 points. We really should have one or two more on the board over the last 15 years. Really sick walking out amidst hordes of Mayo people as the cup was being presented. It means nothing to ye at all.
Neither side played well but I expected both managments to have their homework done and so they did. I'd be a bit frustrated about our attempts to circumvent Mayo's tactics, think we had options that weren't explored or used way too late. Some second half scores were given away far too cheaply. O'Se obviously made a huge difference but our kickouts shouldn't have been going his way. I know Mayo missed quite a number of chances but a couple of ones we missed really cost us in the end. Pity one of them wasn't given as a point, it never seems to go that way...Our team are very fit and well prepared. We possibly deserved another crack at it but didn't get it.
On Mayo - I think Barney is right. A lot of people will downgrade Mayo's rating based on that performance but Sligo did a decent job at cutting off a lot of options for Mayo. Horan is a good manager who knows what he is at and is getting the players to work hard. i've no doubt they'll improve, the QF draw will be interesting.
This win meant plenty to me and everyone with me at the game (well maybe not my Sligo neighbours ;)). Maybe it's a north Mayo thing but I've had nothing but respect for this Sligo team and county over the last 15 or 16 years. It isn't as if you haven't beat us during that period and we have had probably our most successful teams since 50/51 during this time too albeit without landing the big prize. To be honest I'm getting a little tired of all this Mayo arrogance thing from Sligo posters as if we are some big bad bullies because we are confident of winning when we meet in the championship. I think it's classic chip on the shoulder stuff from being the less successful neighbouring county. The facts are we are a good team who have gone close to wining Sam over the past 20 years and we have consistently challenged at under age levels as well. We may not be good enough to win Sam this year or in the next few years but we have shown ourselves good enough to beat Sligo as they have been good enough to beat us over the past few seasons and it would be nice Seanie if you could have a bit more grace in defeat and show us a tiny bit more respect before you accuse us of not caring about winning back to back Nestor cups.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
Just about able to put a few words on here now. Very disappointed with the result obviously but I'd see it as a major missed opportunity. We could easily have done it and when you factor in the 2010 clusterfcuk it just makes it worse. I've seen us in 5 Connacht finals and the 4 we've lost are by a combined 7 points. We really should have one or two more on the board over the last 15 years. Really sick walking out amidst hordes of Mayo people as the cup was being presented. It means nothing to ye at all. Neither side played well but I expected both managments to have their homework done and so they did. I'd be a bit frustrated about our attempts to circumvent Mayo's tactics, think we had options that weren't explored or used way too late. Some second half scores were given away far too cheaply. O'Se obviously made a huge difference but our kickouts shouldn't have been going his way. I know Mayo missed quite a number of chances but a couple of ones we missed really cost us in the end. Pity one of them wasn't given as a point, it never seems to go that way...Our team are very fit and well prepared. We possibly deserved another crack at it but didn't get it.
On Mayo - I think Barney is right. A lot of people will downgrade Mayo's rating based on that performance but Sligo did a decent job at cutting off a lot of options for Mayo. Horan is a good manager who knows what he is at and is getting the players to work hard. i've no doubt they'll improve, the QF draw will be interesting.
It sure does. I was on the pitch with the kids for the presentation - so it s unfair to tar us all with the same brush same as it s unfair to tell us all how we think before games which many people like to do as well. That was my 14th time see us win the Nestor Cup and if we won it twice as often in that time it wouldn t have been enough for me. Like you and Sligo I think we left many behind us.
I wouldn t be inclined to agree with most of the rest but I m with 'Sniper on the kickout business. I also thought Sligo dealth with our running game as well as could be expected waith the amount of possession we had and gave themselves a great chance of winning the match.
As regards Mayo going forward it is difficult to know. We appear to be a couple of eggs short of an omelette. I m not sure where the last 20% to be a top team is going to come from. Unfortunately Varley is only good enough to get you beat. Ross Donavan was the springboard for so many Sligo attacks the last day it wasn 't funny. We got away with it the last day but can t do that again. The fact that we re unsettled inside could work in our favour because teams won t be able to plan - like we were able to plan for Marren and Kelly. Now is not the time to have shown a full hand. However we have not deliberately hiding forwards - on the contrary we ve been desperately searching for the right tick. If it does tick next game or two it could be soon enough. But it s a big if.
Quote from: ck on July 17, 2012, 02:23:59 PM
Can anyone solve an argument? What age is Eamon O'Hara?
He s 36 and will be 37 before end of year.
Eamonn turns 37 this year, not sure when.
I must be blind so and mixing up the red and green jersied people leaving and ignoring the presentation with Mayo people. Respect? Do me a favour!
As for the arrogance - there are many who aren't but you have to accept there are loads who are. Unless my ears were failing me I heard loads of it coming down on the train from Dublin. Even when the ticket collector suggested Sligo might put up a decent fight it was met with - no, don't think so. Those 4 at least were better than the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down. Thank God for the change at Athlone!
First of all well done to the team and management on winning their second Connacht title in a row.
Well, I'm happy enough with the result. They never played to their full potential but still managed to come away with a two point victory. Fair play to the lads for digging deep in the second half to scrape out the win. It was a good test which was exactly what they needed before the hitting the big stage.
There's plenty of work to keep the lads occupied for the next three weeks, that's for sure.
Our game plan was obviously to work the ball from deep and then go for goal- the goals simply not work out, this was due to poor decision making and Sligo's good defence. I don't think we should completely abandon this game plan we just need to seriously work on making the right decision, composure in front of goal and finishing.
Clarke was solid as was everyone else in defence, stand outs for me being Keane, Keegan, Caff and Boyle.
Midfield was sound as well with Barry Moran putting in a great performance. Delighted to see him getting MOTM again as he's had his critics in the past (myself included) and a hard time with injuries. Geraghty gave a good honest performance he's still young and learning. Aido made a big impact when he came on and a huge positive to have him back. If Barry keeps up his form and Aido stays fit they could be a formidable pair in Croke Park. Also nice to see the midfield lads chipping in with a few points each, something we lacked last year.
Then there was the forwards. McLoughlin, Dillon and Andy Moran were the pick of them. I thought Doherty got on a good bit of ball until he got that shoulder which seemed to knock the stuffing out of him. O'Connor tried his best but for me is not a centre forward. Varley didn't have the best of days but again tried his best.
We have an issue with the forwards which needs to be worked on if we want to beat the best.
However we have options there and they need to be looked at and considered.
IMO guaranteed forward starter for the next day are: McLoughlin, Dillon and A. Moran.
The rest of our forwards are (as far as I know):
O'Connor, Doherty, Varley, Freeman, Conroy, Campbell, Regan, Forde and you could also throw in S. O'Shea and A.OShea.
O'Connor- I think should start the next day but only at no. 15. I think this is were we get the best out of him and is more dangerous here.
Docherty- I just don't know with him. Every game I'm expecting him to set the championship a light but it still hasn't happened. We know he has the potential but the question is can he produce it in the championship?
Varley- is always better coming off the bench and I think we should leave him there because that's when we get the best out of him.
Freeman- like Docherty expecting him to explode each game and we know he has the potential but can he produce it again?. I think as well his confidence is a bit low with being in and out of team and with all the positional changes. He can be played at no. 11 but I don't think he will be any better there than O'Connor is now. If he starts I think it should be at no. 13.
Conroy- as many have said is a confidence player if he gets off to a good start he can be as good as any corner forward but if he gets off to a bad start he will fade.
Campbell- don't know how his injury is but I doubt any way he will start in this years championship but still an option.
Regan- do you know what kind of injury he has moy? Don't know a lot about him but I would agree with Moy, why not give him start. I know its throwing him in the deep end but he obviously has talent if Horan has him on the panel. Could be our suprise package this year like O'Connor last year.
Forde- another fella I don't know a lot about but is another option we have. He played wing back this year for under 21 but played centre forward with minor in 2010 so he has experience playing in Croke Park, could be worth a shot.( And before anyone says it I know minor and senior are two different things.)
S.O'Shea- if fit could be an option for no. 11. Don't think hes played there since 2010 but still could be worth a shot there again. Could also help out at midfield
A.O'Shea- i think we can afford to move him to no. 11 if B. Moran keeps up his current form. Also like the brother could help out midfield if needed.
Then the other options we have is moving Higgins to centre back, putting McHale or Walsh in the corner, and moving Vaughan to no. 11.
I have a few different teams I would like to see the next day:
First one is the same defence as the last day and midfield then with McLoughlin, A. O'Shea/S.O'Shea and Dillon in the half forward and Conroy/ Freeman/Doherty, A. Moran and O'Connor.
Second is the same defence again but with B.Moran and A.O'Shea in the middle and McLoughlin Forde Dillon in the half forwards and in the full forward Regan, A. Moran and O'Connor.
Lastly I'd pick Keane, Caff, McHale/Walsh in the full back line, Keegan, Higgins and Boyle in the half backs with A. O'Shea and B. Moran in the middle, McLoughlin, Vaughan and Dillon and in the full forward line I'd have Freeman/Conroy/Regan/Doherty, A. Moran and O'Connor.
These are just a few options I thought of and I know the last to would be highly unlikely but we are currently in a desperate situation and it calls for desperate action IMO.
Any way I don't think we will win Sam this year as team and management are still learning. We'll have more options next year in the forwards with Harte and Kirby back in the fold. Also Regan and Forde will have a year of training with an inter county team under there belt and we might see Conor O'Shea and Darren Coen come through to the panel aswel
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
Eamonn turns 37 this year, not sure when.
I must be blind so and mixing up the red and green jersied people leaving and ignoring the presentation with Mayo people. Respect? Do me a favour!
As for the arrogance - there are many who aren't but you have to accept there are loads who are. Unless my ears were failing me I heard loads of it coming down on the train from Dublin. Even when the ticket collector suggested Sligo might put up a decent fight it was met with - no, don't think so. Those 4 at least were better than the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down. Thank God for the change at Athlone!
The point is that those gobshites would annoy me (and others like me in Mayo) as much as they annoy you.
The other point is not everybody in red and green left before the presentation.
And what would a clown from Doohoma know about football ? ;D
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
Eamonn turns 37 this year, not sure when.
I must be blind so and mixing up the red and green jersied people leaving and ignoring the presentation with Mayo people. Respect? Do me a favour!
As for the arrogance - there are many who aren't but you have to accept there are loads who are. Unless my ears were failing me I heard loads of it coming down on the train from Dublin. Even when the ticket collector suggested Sligo might put up a decent fight it was met with - no, don't think so. Those 4 at least were better than the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down. Thank God for the change at Athlone!
The point is that those gobshites would annoy me (and others like me in Mayo) as much as they annoy you.
The other point is not everybody in red and green left before the presentation.
And what would a clown from Doohoma know about football ? ;D
That's a fair auld insult to clowns comparing them to somebody from Doohoma ;D
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 17, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
Eamonn turns 37 this year, not sure when.
I must be blind so and mixing up the red and green jersied people leaving and ignoring the presentation with Mayo people. Respect? Do me a favour!
As for the arrogance - there are many who aren't but you have to accept there are loads who are. Unless my ears were failing me I heard loads of it coming down on the train from Dublin. Even when the ticket collector suggested Sligo might put up a decent fight it was met with - no, don't think so. Those 4 at least were better than the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down. Thank God for the change at Athlone!
The point is that those gobshites would annoy me (and others like me in Mayo) as much as they annoy you.
The other point is not everybody in red and green left before the presentation.
And what would a clown from Doohoma know about football ? ;D
That's a fair auld insult to clowns comparing them to somebody from Doohoma ;D
Fair enough lads but I think ye see where I'm coming from. We all have our gobshites I suppose. Ye know the way when you're travelling on public transport - there's always one weirdo who you hope and pray doesn't sit beside him. Well I'd a long day at a christening the previous day and guess what - the weirdo sat beside me. Hard to describe this unless you saw and heard it. Not a well man at all at all.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
Just about able to put a few words on here now. Very disappointed with the result obviously but I'd see it as a major missed opportunity. We could easily have done it and when you factor in the 2010 clusterfcuk it just makes it worse. I've seen us in 5 Connacht finals and the 4 we've lost are by a combined 7 points. We really should have one or two more on the board over the last 15 years. Really sick walking out amidst hordes of Mayo people as the cup was being presented. It means nothing to ye at all.
Neither side played well but I expected both managments to have their homework done and so they did. I'd be a bit frustrated about our attempts to circumvent Mayo's tactics, think we had options that weren't explored or used way too late. Some second half scores were given away far too cheaply. O'Se obviously made a huge difference but our kickouts shouldn't have been going his way. I know Mayo missed quite a number of chances but a couple of ones we missed really cost us in the end. Pity one of them wasn't given as a point, it never seems to go that way...Our team are very fit and well prepared. We possibly deserved another crack at it but didn't get it.
On Mayo - I think Barney is right. A lot of people will downgrade Mayo's rating based on that performance but Sligo did a decent job at cutting off a lot of options for Mayo. Horan is a good manager who knows what he is at and is getting the players to work hard. i've no doubt they'll improve, the QF draw will be interesting.
I was at the game seanie, and I didn't hang around afterwards. Most of those who streamed out with me were Mayo heads. Sligo fans were probably too devastated to make a move anywhere until their world stopped spinning around.
I don't gloat over my neighbours' misfortune at any time and certainly not on Sunday.
Matter of fact, I was thinking of you!
You and Sligonian and mano and baoithe and all the other decent Sligo folk on here. I felt desperately sorry for you all and for Sligonian's dad and indeed all Sligo supporters who got sickened once more.
I know that sort of feeling and so do all Mayo supporters. '04, '06 and the game against Kerry last year knocked the stuffing outa me and I wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone.
Glad we won but sorry Sligo were on the receiving end.
Another reason for me not getting carried away is the fact that we won CFs so many times before and thought we were the real deal when we did. Far too often, I left the ground after our next match feeling the same as ye are feeling now.
None of that is to say that I don't value a CF win -- as long as the win gives us hope to go on further and not because we were about the best of a piss-poor lot and the Nestor Cup was the summit of our ambitions for that year.
Whatever about the others, Sigo certainly don't fall into that category and made us fight all the way. Not an entertaining game but both side can take lessons from it both should be the better because of it for their games to come.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
Just about able to put a few words on here now. Very disappointed with the result obviously but I'd see it as a major missed opportunity. We could easily have done it and when you factor in the 2010 clusterfcuk it just makes it worse. I've seen us in 5 Connacht finals and the 4 we've lost are by a combined 7 points. We really should have one or two more on the board over the last 15 years. Really sick walking out amidst hordes of Mayo people as the cup was being presented. It means nothing to ye at all.
Neither side played well but I expected both managments to have their homework done and so they did. I'd be a bit frustrated about our attempts to circumvent Mayo's tactics, think we had options that weren't explored or used way too late. Some second half scores were given away far too cheaply. O'Se obviously made a huge difference but our kickouts shouldn't have been going his way. I know Mayo missed quite a number of chances but a couple of ones we missed really cost us in the end. Pity one of them wasn't given as a point, it never seems to go that way...Our team are very fit and well prepared. We possibly deserved another crack at it but didn't get it.
On Mayo - I think Barney is right. A lot of people will downgrade Mayo's rating based on that performance but Sligo did a decent job at cutting off a lot of options for Mayo. Horan is a good manager who knows what he is at and is getting the players to work hard. i've no doubt they'll improve, the QF draw will be interesting.
Ah jesus seanie
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 03:29:13 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 17, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2012, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
Eamonn turns 37 this year, not sure when.
I must be blind so and mixing up the red and green jersied people leaving and ignoring the presentation with Mayo people. Respect? Do me a favour!
As for the arrogance - there are many who aren't but you have to accept there are loads who are. Unless my ears were failing me I heard loads of it coming down on the train from Dublin. Even when the ticket collector suggested Sligo might put up a decent fight it was met with - no, don't think so. Those 4 at least were better than the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down. Thank God for the change at Athlone!
The point is that those gobshites would annoy me (and others like me in Mayo) as much as they annoy you.
The other point is not everybody in red and green left before the presentation.
And what would a clown from Doohoma know about football ? ;D
That's a fair auld insult to clowns comparing them to somebody from Doohoma ;D
Fair enough lads but I think ye see where I'm coming from. We all have our gobshites I suppose. Ye know the way when you're travelling on public transport - there's always one weirdo who you hope and pray doesn't sit beside him. Well I'd a long day at a christening the previous day and guess what - the weirdo sat beside me. Hard to describe this unless you saw and heard it. Not a well man at all at all.
Fair enough Seanie I understand what a trip down on the train with the standard mental case sitting beside you and loosing a big championship match to big rival can do to amplify a hangover. Been there before too many times as I'm sure many of my fellow county men have and good luck in the next round from what I saw on Sunday you have a fair chance at making the quarters.
- Eugene McGee
Irish Independent
Monday July 16 2012
Wonderful professionalism from our amateur players
Because Gaelic football is such an intrinsic part of Irish life, aspects of its culture can often be taken for granted. The accessibility of county footballers to the general public is one of the distinctive hallmarks of the game -- and we had a good example of that yesterday.
Half an hour after yesterday's game had ended, there were a couple of hundred Mayo supporters still on the field meeting the players.
In particular, the players spent a long time giving autographs to young boys and girls for ages without a note of impatience.
I wonder how many other sports people of similar stature would be be so friendly and considerate in a situation like that.
It is something the GAA should be proud of -- the availability of its biggest stars to the followers.
Have to say i was on the pitch a half hour (or even more) after the game. I must say that the players were very (very) accommodating for autographs and pictures. They were legitimately friendly and courteous. I stood there thinking, how they had given their time today and now were given more (and not getting a penny). This was from both sets of players. I must say that i went home feeling good from such an good natured experience.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down.
them Doohama lads know their football 8)
Quote from: RogerMilla on July 17, 2012, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down.
them Doohama lads know their football 8)
ludermor will be knocking heads lads if theres anymore of that talk....
Leave Doohoma out of this Seanie......the only people we are dismissive of is the gang from Belmullet.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on July 17, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
Delighted with the win.
James Horan is doing a fantastic job, and the players really are giving their all. This is the best Mayo team in 15 years.
Think we will probably come up short this year since we just don't have the top class forwards to bring us over the line. But if we keep working at things we may get the break in the next 2/3 years.
Bang on, Barney. Good to see you posting again.
James is doing a superb job and bit by bit, he is crafting a good side together.
I think he's filled every position except the CF spots. It's impossible to say if his best will be good enough or not, but he's heading in the right direction.
Players have developed into their position like flowers popping up in springtime.One after another. Barry Moran is the latest to show that Horan's patience and his faith in him were justified.
(Will Barry be able to play in the next game?)
Agree with both of you. The most sensible comments I have read since the final.
Our corner forwards or lack thereof are a major issue, one that most likely will not be rectified this year. this is a 4-5 year process, we are two years in. We have a serious lack of depth at corner forward position, Freeman and Conroy are not impact subs, conroy just shot on sight, not good enough at this level, andy moran was wide open 14 yards from goal, when he took that crazy effort from his wrong side. freeman had two clear chances for points, did not convert. if somehow sligo sneaked a goal, all of these misses would not be easily forgotten. Also on that point, I was disappointed that AOS also kicked the ball over the sideline in the last minute, a team that is going to win an all ireland would take better options. More worrying is that we are so dependent on Andy Moran, something that will not go unnoticed by other teams.
Bottom line we are in Croke Park in three weeks. I have a lot of confidence in James Horan, we are on the right path.
Quote from: ballinaman on July 17, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: RogerMilla on July 17, 2012, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down.
them Doohama lads know their football 8)
ludermor will be knocking heads lads if theres anymore of that talk....
I thought we kept all our clowns local and took the passport from them before they crossed Bellacorrick, sounds like he could have been a Belmullet man pretending to be a Doohoma clown to ruin our good reputation.
Quote from: ludermor on July 17, 2012, 04:22:22 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on July 17, 2012, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: RogerMilla on July 17, 2012, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
the clown from Doohoma who never shut up about Mayo football and how much he knew the whole flippin way down.
them Doohama lads know their football 8)
ludermor will be knocking heads lads if theres anymore of that talk....
I thought we kept all our clowns local and took the passport from them before they crossed Bellacorrick, sounds like he could have been a Belmullet man pretending to be a Doohoma clown to ruin our good reputation.
If you met this chap previously you'd not forget him in a hurry! I'm just hoping someone else on here witnessed it - it was somethnig else!
Quote from: Sam2011 on July 17, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Regan- do you know what kind of injury he has moy? Don't know a lot about him but I would agree with Moy, why not give him start. I know its throwing him in the deep end but he obviously has talent if Horan has him on the panel. Could be our suprise package this year like O'Connor last year.
Knee ligament strain I believe but he s expected to be able to play V Ballagh' on Saturday.
Fingers crossed we won t lose anybody to injury in these club matches. We can t afford to lose anybody.
Seanie.....do ya have his name, if ya do just post his initials.......I'm intrigued.
As for Mayo........we are struggling to field two corner forwards. If we can get McGarity anywhere near fit Move AOS to 11 and Cillian into the corner instead of Varley then we will be ok, we might not win it but it will take a really good team to knock us out.
All we can ask for any year is to be competitive and get the best out of what we have, thankfully under Horan we are that.
Didn't get a name. Will send you a pm with a bit more detail.
I seem to be the odd one out as usual but i thought sunday was a major step backwards . 4 corner forwards used not one of them looked up to the mark. a CHF that looked well of the pace , When you hear people putting forward the names of guys just out of minor who have not even made much of an impact at U21 your in trouble. I think we are pretty well served at half forward, if the right plaers are picked , but the loss of ronaldson Mortimer Kilcoyne inside is really going to be felt before the end of the year .
Of what we have i think Varley and Freeman are probably the 2 best sticking with though i can see them sticking a 'big man' in there yet to cover up the failings of further out .
Quote from: joemamas on July 17, 2012, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on July 17, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
Delighted with the win.
James Horan is doing a fantastic job, and the players really are giving their all. This is the best Mayo team in 15 years.
Think we will probably come up short this year since we just don't have the top class forwards to bring us over the line. But if we keep working at things we may get the break in the next 2/3 years.
Bang on, Barney. Good to see you posting again.
James is doing a superb job and bit by bit, he is crafting a good side together.
I think he's filled every position except the CF spots. It's impossible to say if his best will be good enough or not, but he's heading in the right direction.
Players have developed into their position like flowers popping up in springtime.One after another. Barry Moran is the latest to show that Horan's patience and his faith in him were justified.
(Will Barry be able to play in the next game?)
Agree with both of you. The most sensible comments I have read since the final.
Our corner forwards or lack thereof are a major issue, one that most likely will not be rectified this year. this is a 4-5 year process, we are two years in. We have a serious lack of depth at corner forward position, Freeman and Conroy are not impact subs, conroy just shot on sight, not good enough at this level, andy moran was wide open 14 yards from goal, when he took that crazy effort from his wrong side. freeman had two clear chances for points, did not convert. if somehow sligo sneaked a goal, all of these misses would not be easily forgotten. Also on that point, I was disappointed that AOS also kicked the ball over the sideline in the last minute, a team that is going to win an all ireland would take better options. More worrying is that we are so dependent on Andy Moran, something that will not go unnoticed by other teams.
Bottom line we are in Croke Park in three weeks. I have a lot of confidence in James Horan, we are on the right path.
Not sure Barney if Horan has been as kind to Barry Moran as some may think. I believe Barry was treated very poorly last year. Brought into panel...dropped....brought back into panel to give our full back practice at marking a big full forward for a few training sessions......dropped......It is more to Barry Morans credit that he kept on coming back when managment kept kicking him in the teeth.....imo
While the team are working hard for the manager this is just one aspect of his role. Picking forwards that are not up to it would be my major worry, but I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong.
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 17, 2012, 05:51:29 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 17, 2012, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on July 17, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
Delighted with the win.
James Horan is doing a fantastic job, and the players really are giving their all. This is the best Mayo team in 15 years.
Think we will probably come up short this year since we just don't have the top class forwards to bring us over the line. But if we keep working at things we may get the break in the next 2/3 years.
Bang on, Barney. Good to see you posting again.
James is doing a superb job and bit by bit, he is crafting a good side together.
I think he's filled every position except the CF spots. It's impossible to say if his best will be good enough or not, but he's heading in the right direction.
Players have developed into their position like flowers popping up in springtime.One after another. Barry Moran is the latest to show that Horan's patience and his faith in him were justified.
(Will Barry be able to play in the next game?)
Agree with both of you. The most sensible comments I have read since the final.
Our corner forwards or lack thereof are a major issue, one that most likely will not be rectified this year. this is a 4-5 year process, we are two years in. We have a serious lack of depth at corner forward position, Freeman and Conroy are not impact subs, conroy just shot on sight, not good enough at this level, andy moran was wide open 14 yards from goal, when he took that crazy effort from his wrong side. freeman had two clear chances for points, did not convert. if somehow sligo sneaked a goal, all of these misses would not be easily forgotten. Also on that point, I was disappointed that AOS also kicked the ball over the sideline in the last minute, a team that is going to win an all ireland would take better options. More worrying is that we are so dependent on Andy Moran, something that will not go unnoticed by other teams.
Bottom line we are in Croke Park in three weeks. I have a lot of confidence in James Horan, we are on the right path.
Not sure Barney if Horan has been as kind to Barry Moran as some may think. I believe Barry was treated very poorly last year. Brought into panel...dropped....brought back into panel to give our full back practice at marking a big full forward for a few training sessions......dropped......It is more to Barry Morans credit that he kept on coming back when managment kept kicking him in the teeth.....imo
While the team are working hard for the manager this is just one aspect of his role. Picking forwards that are not up to it would be my major worry, but I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong.
I think we might find out eventually that Cian O Neill will be given a lot of credit for Barry Moran s improved fitness. O Neill is one of the best fitness/conditioning trainers in the country and we might be begining to see the benefits of his expertise. And one of his fortés is getting players with fitness issues right. He did it before with Lar Corbett and he got the conditioning of Tipp to a level that they could take Kilkenny with intensity. Here s hoping. I couldn t understand the lack of belief so many people had in Moran. If people saw him play when he was in proper shape there was no doubting his obvious quality. If O Neill can sort out McGar and SOS we could be on to something.
But O Neill, Horan or anybody else can not copy, clone or buy cfs but we could look at getting a couple of Seanie Johnstons for next year. Only messing. The game is changing but most peoples notion of a cf is the old style cf like Gooch and David Kelly and Mugsy. With what we have Horan is going to have to find another way because our standard type not making enough impression. I think he was trying to get that by just playing lads best suited for getting on end of runs and good goal finishers( but the Varley selection last day was hard to understand with that policy in mind).
Maybe there s another way. I remember Seán Boylan beating us with 2 converted defenders in the forwards - Geraghty and Reilly - and two 19 yr olds in the full back line. There s no point having lads starting that might seem to have the cv but aren t getting the job done.
I wouldn't be getting carried away with Barry Moran lads. The sligo midfield is chronic
Quote from: joemamas on July 17, 2012, 04:16:20 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2012, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Barney on July 17, 2012, 10:38:53 AM
Delighted with the win.
James Horan is doing a fantastic job, and the players really are giving their all. This is the best Mayo team in 15 years.
Think we will probably come up short this year since we just don't have the top class forwards to bring us over the line. But if we keep working at things we may get the break in the next 2/3 years.
Bang on, Barney. Good to see you posting again.
James is doing a superb job and bit by bit, he is crafting a good side together.
I think he's filled every position except the CF spots. It's impossible to say if his best will be good enough or not, but he's heading in the right direction.
Players have developed into their position like flowers popping up in springtime.One after another. Barry Moran is the latest to show that Horan's patience and his faith in him were justified.
(Will Barry be able to play in the next game?)
Agree with both of you. The most sensible comments I have read since the final.
Our corner forwards or lack thereof are a major issue, one that most likely will not be rectified this year. this is a 4-5 year process, we are two years in. We have a serious lack of depth at corner forward position, Freeman and Conroy are not impact subs, conroy just shot on sight, not good enough at this level, andy moran was wide open 14 yards from goal, when he took that crazy effort from his wrong side. freeman had two clear chances for points, did not convert. if somehow sligo sneaked a goal, all of these misses would not be easily forgotten. Also on that point, I was disappointed that AOS also kicked the ball over the sideline in the last minute, a team that is going to win an all ireland would take better options. More worrying is that we are so dependent on Andy Moran, something that will not go unnoticed by other teams.
Bottom line we are in Croke Park in three weeks. I have a lot of confidence in James Horan, we are on the right path.
Tut! Tut! Aidan FFS WHAT WERE YOU AT!!!
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 17, 2012, 10:28:38 PM
I wouldn't be getting carried away with Barry Moran lads. The sligo midfield is chronic
Hmmmm. I remember similar sentiments being expressed after the Leitrim game with warnings that we were going to be in trouble against Sligo after the job they did on Galway.
Quote from: DuffleKing on July 17, 2012, 10:28:38 PM
I wouldn't be getting carried away with Barry Moran lads. The sligo midfield is chronic
That's a fair point. We still need to see him do it in Croke Park against a top division midfield pairing before I'll be completely convinced about him, but he has shown himself to be up to the task at Connacht level this year which he hadn't shown before. I've certainly never had as much hope for him as I do now and I would like nothing more than for my previous opinions of his abilities to be rammed back down my throat due to a big Croke Park performance from Barry.
I'd be very reluctant to move Aiden O'Shea to 11. It hasn't really worked out before when he's been tried at 11 and 14 whereas he has been regularly outstanding at midfield so I'd say just leave him there to do what he does best.
I still have memories of Seamus putting in a run if strong performances at 11 back when we were going well in early 2010 though. Anything good we did that year was pretty much forgotten as a result of what happened afterwards but if we need to try someone new at 11 I'd like to see him get another chance once he's fully fit. Put Cillian in one of the corner forward positions. Maybe Freeman in the other with Varley available to do what he does best, make an impact from the bench.
Lastly, it was reported in the Connacht Telegraph that the All Ireland quarter final draw takes place in Castlebar on Tuesday at 11am - is this correct? It seems a strange time to have it. That would mean that we couldn't draw Kildare as they or Limerick won't have played Sligo by then, thereby increasing the chances of us drawing the winners of the Tyrone v Kerry game.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
but the loss of ronaldson Mortimer Kilcoyne inside is really going to be felt before the end of the year .
Mark Ronadson has never started a championship game for Mayo at senior level so why are you still on about him being a "loss inside"?
Quote from: saffronandblue on July 17, 2012, 05:51:29 PM
Not sure Barney if Horan has been as kind to Barry Moran as some may think. I believe Barry was treated very poorly last year. Brought into panel...dropped....brought back into panel to give our full back practice at marking a big full forward for a few training sessions......dropped......It is more to Barry Morans credit that he kept on coming back when managment kept kicking him in the teeth.....imo
Definite credit to him for sticking at it but had he not chronic hamstring and other injuries in early 2011 and for years before that?
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2012, 10:00:21 PM
I think we might find out eventually that Cian O Neill will be given a lot of credit for Barry Moran s improved fitness. O Neill is one of the best fitness/conditioning trainers in the country and we might be begining to see the benefits of his expertise. And one of his fortés is getting players with fitness issues right...
Maybe even though he quoted himself as being more of a team and skills coach and said that Ed Coughlin was responsible for strength and conditioning in last weeks paper. Id say its the testament the whole back-room team, including the physios and doctors rather than anyone in particular. Its an amazing comeback though.
Quote from: rosnarun on July 17, 2012, 05:42:31 PM
I seem to be the odd one out as usual but i thought sunday was a major step backwards . 4 corner forwards used not one of them looked up to the mark. a CHF that looked well of the pace , When you hear people putting forward the names of guys just out of minor who have not even made much of an impact at U21 your in trouble. I think we are pretty well served at half forward, if the right plaers are picked , but the loss of ronaldson Mortimer Kilcoyne inside is really going to be felt before the end of the year .
Of what we have i think Varley and Freeman are probably the 2 best sticking with though i can see them sticking a 'big man' in there yet to cover up the failings of further out .
+1, also expecting Mc Garrity to come back into center field and do a job for us.......... i saw him two weeks ago in a club game against our lads, he was way off inter- county standard.
Leathan le leathan; caol le caol.
Quote from: Hardy on July 18, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
Leathan le leathan; caol le caol.
;D Is fíor é sin Hardy. He should have called himself An Gaeilgeoir!
Is Damian Munnelly playing much club football these days ? Or is he still in the country, Decent forward.
What happened Aidan Kilcoyne, he went off the scene. Mayo are better off without Mortimer, good player that he was, he was very greedy, Alan Freeman has lot of potential,
i watch conroys little cameo again and i think there is something to him , i would start him in croker and get him practicing his range for the next 3 weeks
Munnelly is in New Zealand. Kilcoyne is working in England and will return for club championship games only.
Quote from: Hardy on July 18, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
Leathan le leathan; caol le caol.
I said this one day in work when one of my colleagues was struggling to spell Caitriona. Well they thought I was from outer space! No-one had ever heard the term!
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 18, 2012, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on July 18, 2012, 10:53:32 AM
Leathan le leathan; caol le caol.
I said this one day in work when one of my colleagues was struggling to spell Caitriona. Well they thought I was from outer space! No-one had ever heard the term!
They would have heard but choose not to listen. It s very uncool to try to learn Irish.
Quote from: intoDwest on July 17, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Seanie.....do ya have his name, if ya do just post his initials.......I'm intrigued.
As for Mayo........we are struggling to field two corner forwards. If we can get McGarity anywhere near fit Move AOS to 11 and Cillian into the corner instead of Varley then we will be ok, we might not win it but it will take a really good team to knock us out.
All we can ask for any year is to be competitive and get the best out of what we have, thankfully under Horan we are that.
If Horan takes AOS out of midfield he should be shot. From what I've seen of AOS this year before Sunday was that he has learned to take the right option when passing and Sunday only confirmed this. His fielding is impeccable, although he shouldn't be trying to line up the 10yard run he got for his first kickout on Sunday, his picking of passing options was brilliant, the pass to Keegan invited him to get going and resulted in the point and his fitness and strength levels are better than ever. I can't remember being this excited about a Mayo player in a long time.
I listened to the minor match on Shannonside, the commentator was some craic, "marshmallows are soft, that was a marshmallow free", "he's in the Bronx, New York, he's gone down a blind alley"
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 18, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 17, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Seanie.....do ya have his name, if ya do just post his initials.......I'm intrigued.
As for Mayo........we are struggling to field two corner forwards. If we can get McGarity anywhere near fit Move AOS to 11 and Cillian into the corner instead of Varley then we will be ok, we might not win it but it will take a really good team to knock us out.
All we can ask for any year is to be competitive and get the best out of what we have, thankfully under Horan we are that.
If Horan takes AOS out of midfield he should be shot. From what I've seen of AOS this year before Sunday was that he has learned to take the right option when passing and Sunday only confirmed this. His fielding is impeccable, although he shouldn't be trying to line up the 10yard run he got for his first kickout on Sunday, his picking of passing options was brilliant, the pass to Keegan invited him to get going and resulted in the point and his fitness and strength levels are better than ever. I can't remember being this excited about a Mayo player in a long time.
I listened to the minor match on Shannonside, the commentator was some craic, "marshmallows are soft, that was a marshmallow free", "he's in the Bronx, New York, he's gone down a blind alley"
Willie Hegarty, Roscommon underage coaching officer. Mastermind of your demise. Ouch.
Quote from: moysider on July 17, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: ck on July 17, 2012, 02:23:59 PM
Can anyone solve an argument? What age is Eamon O'Hara?
He s 36 and will be 37 before end of year.
37 and playing in a Connaught final. I thought those days were over. Impressive stuff.
He was still a big presence. Clearly not hugely mobile but he spoiled Moran and O'Shea and let Sligo gather far more ball in the middle than they had for the previous 20-30 minutes. People are all gung-ho in praise for Moran and O'Shea but for me the most remarkable midfield performance of the day was O'Hara.
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 18, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 17, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Seanie.....do ya have his name, if ya do just post his initials.......I'm intrigued.
As for Mayo........we are struggling to field two corner forwards. If we can get McGarity anywhere near fit Move AOS to 11 and Cillian into the corner instead of Varley then we will be ok, we might not win it but it will take a really good team to knock us out.
All we can ask for any year is to be competitive and get the best out of what we have, thankfully under Horan we are that.
If Horan takes AOS out of midfield he should be shot. From what I've seen of AOS this year before Sunday was that he has learned to take the right option when passing and Sunday only confirmed this. His fielding is impeccable, although he shouldn't be trying to line up the 10yard run he got for his first kickout on Sunday, his picking of passing options was brilliant, the pass to Keegan invited him to get going and resulted in the point and his fitness and strength levels are better than ever. I can't remember being this excited about a Mayo player in a long time.
I listened to the minor match on Shannonside, the commentator was some craic, "marshmallows are soft, that was a marshmallow free", "he's in the Bronx, New York, he's gone down a blind alley"
Willie Hegarty, Roscommon underage coaching officer. Mastermind of your demise. Ouch.
I once recorded a few minutes of one of Willie's commentaries and posted the recording to a few relations in America. They wanted to know if they could buy the DVD somewhere.
I hard a hard job convincing them that Willie takes himself seriously and was only doing his job!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 18, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 17, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Seanie.....do ya have his name, if ya do just post his initials.......I'm intrigued.
As for Mayo........we are struggling to field two corner forwards. If we can get McGarity anywhere near fit Move AOS to 11 and Cillian into the corner instead of Varley then we will be ok, we might not win it but it will take a really good team to knock us out.
All we can ask for any year is to be competitive and get the best out of what we have, thankfully under Horan we are that.
If Horan takes AOS out of midfield he should be shot. From what I've seen of AOS this year before Sunday was that he has learned to take the right option when passing and Sunday only confirmed this. His fielding is impeccable, although he shouldn't be trying to line up the 10yard run he got for his first kickout on Sunday, his picking of passing options was brilliant, the pass to Keegan invited him to get going and resulted in the point and his fitness and strength levels are better than ever. I can't remember being this excited about a Mayo player in a long time.
I listened to the minor match on Shannonside, the commentator was some craic, "marshmallows are soft, that was a marshmallow free", "he's in the Bronx, New York, he's gone down a blind alley"
Willie Hegarty, Roscommon underage coaching officer. Mastermind of your demise. Ouch.
I once recorded a few minutes of one of Willie's commentaries and posted the recording to a few relations in America. They wanted to know if they could buy the DVD somewhere.
I hard a hard job convincing them that Willie takes himself seriously and was only doing his job!
Willie can be a good laugh alright but nothing beats this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POHuXU01bOs
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2012, 03:36:27 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 18, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 17, 2012, 04:40:31 PM
Seanie.....do ya have his name, if ya do just post his initials.......I'm intrigued.
As for Mayo........we are struggling to field two corner forwards. If we can get McGarity anywhere near fit Move AOS to 11 and Cillian into the corner instead of Varley then we will be ok, we might not win it but it will take a really good team to knock us out.
All we can ask for any year is to be competitive and get the best out of what we have, thankfully under Horan we are that.
If Horan takes AOS out of midfield he should be shot. From what I've seen of AOS this year before Sunday was that he has learned to take the right option when passing and Sunday only confirmed this. His fielding is impeccable, although he shouldn't be trying to line up the 10yard run he got for his first kickout on Sunday, his picking of passing options was brilliant, the pass to Keegan invited him to get going and resulted in the point and his fitness and strength levels are better than ever. I can't remember being this excited about a Mayo player in a long time.
I listened to the minor match on Shannonside, the commentator was some craic, "marshmallows are soft, that was a marshmallow free", "he's in the Bronx, New York, he's gone down a blind alley"
Willie Hegarty, Roscommon underage coaching officer. Mastermind of your demise. Ouch.
I once recorded a few minutes of one of Willie's commentaries and posted the recording to a few relations in America. They wanted to know if they could buy the DVD somewhere.
I hard a hard job convincing them that Willie takes himself seriously and was only doing his job!
Willie and Donie Senior always have half a dozen bottles of cider at hand for games. I heard they drank one of Marty's shandies by mistake at the Galway game. Not a pretty sight.
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2012, 05:34:12 PM
He was still a big presence. Clearly not hugely mobile but he spoiled Moran and O'Shea and let Sligo gather far more ball in the middle than they had for the previous 20-30 minutes. People are all gung-ho in praise for Moran and O'Shea but for me the most remarkable midfield performance of the day was O'Hara.
Have the Rossies forgiven O'Hara at last? He was the most hated Sligoman in Roscommon for years for a while there.
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2012, 05:34:12 PM
He was still a big presence. Clearly not hugely mobile but he spoiled Moran and O'Shea and let Sligo gather far more ball in the middle than they had for the previous 20-30 minutes. People are all gung-ho in praise for Moran and O'Shea but for me the most remarkable midfield performance of the day was O'Hara.
Not at all in agreement with that, his boldest move of the day was to pick the lightest Mayo player on the pitch and give him a good dig with his forearm on the ground (kevin mcgloughlin).
Moran was motm with most pundits, O Se was instrumental when coming on and you talk of presence , well that was midfield presence at best.
Quote from: seanog on July 19, 2012, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 18, 2012, 05:34:12 PM
He was still a big presence. Clearly not hugely mobile but he spoiled Moran and O'Shea and let Sligo gather far more ball in the middle than they had for the previous 20-30 minutes. People are all gung-ho in praise for Moran and O'Shea but for me the most remarkable midfield performance of the day was O'Hara.
Not at all in agreement with that, his boldest move of the day was to pick the lightest Mayo player on the pitch and give him a good dig with his forearm on the ground (kevin mcgloughlin).
Moran was motm with most pundits, O Se was instrumental when coming on and you talk of presence , well that was midfield presence at best.
What I mean by 'remarkable' is it was more impressive to see a 37 year-old still having as much impact as he did against such a good midfield pairing. Obviously over the course of the game Moran was MotM and O'Shea probably did more.
Does this look eerily similar to the content of this years Connacht final thread. I had a good laugh reading it earlier today
A day that will live now in the memory