China Coronavirus

[highorlow]

"Sweden now has the lowest Covid infection rate in western Europe — after double-vaccinated nationals were told they don't have to test for the virus even if they get symptoms.

The Scandinavian nation — which was subject to international scrutiny last year when it refused to lockdown — is currently recording 85.4 cases per million people, according to Oxford University research site Our World in Data.

By comparison, the rate is nearly 1,400 per million in Europe's current Covid capital Austria, which today announced it is going back into a full lockdown from Monday.

Sweden's infection rate is far lower than other Western European countries like the Netherlands (1,048.7), Britain (581), Germany (536), and France (201)." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/sweden-now-has-western-europe-s-lowest-covid-infection-rate/ar-AAQU25q

[Milltown Row2]

Would Sweden's rate be lower due to the high rate they had at the start when going for herd immunity?

[trueblue1234]

"Sweden now has the lowest Covid infection rate in western Europe — after double-vaccinated nationals were told they don't have to test for the virus even if they get symptoms.

The Scandinavian nation — which was subject to international scrutiny last year when it refused to lockdown — is currently recording 85.4 cases per million people, according to Oxford University research site Our World in Data.

By comparison, the rate is nearly 1,400 per million in Europe's current Covid capital Austria, which today announced it is going back into a full lockdown from Monday.

Sweden's infection rate is far lower than other Western European countries like the Netherlands (1,048.7), Britain (581), Germany (536), and France (201)." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/sweden-now-has-western-europe-s-lowest-covid-infection-rate/ar-AAQU25q

They've now reversed the decision not to test double vaccinated people. They're also bringing in a covid pass (It's already been in use for travel ).

[grounded]

Very simple for me, my job is in contact with vulnerable people, if I caught Covid and passed it on and someone ended up infected by me not getting vaccinated then I'd be in the wrong and feel pretty shut about it to, my sister is just out of cancer treatment another good reason for me.

The facts have been shown that being vaccinated, regardless of the amount it was promised to protect us, will reduced the viral load.

People do what they want, you can wear ear plugs if you work in a noisy environment or not, rest assured you'll regret it later.

I've followed the guidelines as has my immediate family, to date we haven't got it, we've been working and socialising without annoyance either.

As for measures to encourage people, do what you feel is right for you. I'll follow my path, I haven't got a degree in virology or biochemistry, so on that front I'll listen to the experts.

All very reasonable and i hope all your folks and particularly your sister keep well. Actually in many ways your circumstances  are very similar to my own and the reasons i opted for the vaccine.
    Unfortunately this topic has become very polarising and poisonous (you just have to read through this thread!)
    It seems to me, anybody that questions vaccine effectivemess, lockdown restrictions or other government policies are labelled loons and subject to ridicule(some definitely deserve it btw).
      The lancet published an article on the use of first generation covid 19 vaccines (this was pre-release of these vaccines) and indicated their potential limitations. I think this is a more realistic marker or level than that given by the Pharma manufacturers pre their release.
        They are definitley a useful tool in the fight against this virus but given the nature of Coronaviruses they are not the panacea promised (at least not this generation).
        I don't agree with the current witch hunt of the non-vaccinated through government policies or the media. Its counterproductive. Like you said give the people the information and let them decide. Stop trying to coerce people or heaven forbid bring in mandatory vaccinations.
     Anyway, once again i hope you and your family keep well and best wishes to your sister on her recovery.

[BennyCake]

Very simple for me, my job is in contact with vulnerable people, if I caught Covid and passed it on and someone ended up infected by me not getting vaccinated then I'd be in the wrong and feel pretty shut about it to, my sister is just out of cancer treatment another good reason for me.

The facts have been shown that being vaccinated, regardless of the amount it was promised to protect us, will reduced the viral load.

People do what they want, you can wear ear plugs if you work in a noisy environment or not, rest assured you'll regret it later.

I've followed the guidelines as has my immediate family, to date we haven't got it, we've been working and socialising without annoyance either.

As for measures to encourage people, do what you feel is right for you. I'll follow my path, I haven't got a degree in virology or biochemistry, so on that front I'll listen to the experts.

I thought you said your youngster was never at home from all that partying ? 

[balladmaker]

Question for those from the 6 counties here ... am I alone in being confused ref. when and where to get a booster jab?  I hear on the news its now available to 40+ age group, but when I read the NIdirect website, it still states 50+.  Surely the mass vaccinations centres that took over leisure centres etc. and did a fantastic job in vaccinating the masses, should be opened again to give anyone a top up who needs it.

I'm now 6 months from second jab, would kind of like to get the booster soon.

[BennyCake]

Very simple for me, my job is in contact with vulnerable people, if I caught Covid and passed it on and someone ended up infected by me not getting vaccinated then I'd be in the wrong and feel pretty shut about it to, my sister is just out of cancer treatment another good reason for me.

The facts have been shown that being vaccinated, regardless of the amount it was promised to protect us, will reduced the viral load.

People do what they want, you can wear ear plugs if you work in a noisy environment or not, rest assured you'll regret it later.

I've followed the guidelines as has my immediate family, to date we haven't got it, we've been working and socialising without annoyance either.

As for measures to encourage people, do what you feel is right for you. I'll follow my path, I haven't got a degree in virology or biochemistry, so on that front I'll listen to the experts.

All very reasonable and i hope all your folks and particularly your sister keep well. Actually in many ways your circumstances  are very similar to my own and the reasons i opted for the vaccine.
    Unfortunately this topic has become very polarising and poisonous (you just have to read through this thread!)
    It seems to me, anybody that questions vaccine effectivemess, lockdown restrictions or other government policies are labelled loons and subject to ridicule(some definitely deserve it btw).
      The lancet published an article on the use of first generation covid 19 vaccines (this was pre-release of these vaccines) and indicated their potential limitations. I think this is a more realistic marker or level than that given by the Pharma manufacturers pre their release.
        They are definitley a useful tool in the fight against this virus but given the nature of Coronaviruses they are not the panacea promised (at least not this generation).
        I don't agree with the current witch hunt of the non-vaccinated through government policies or the media. Its counterproductive. Like you said give the people the information and let them decide. Stop trying to coerce people or heaven forbid bring in mandatory vaccinations.
     Anyway, once again i hope you and your family keep well and best wishes to your sister on her recovery.

Yeah I agree. It sends out the message that unvaccinated are all running about like mad loons, adhering to no guidance. While the jabbed are all doing the right things.

Not only that but this reporting that all those in hospital and taking up the icu beds are all Unvaccinated. Which then gives the vaccinated another false sense of protection. Ah sure we're alright, we don't have to be careful, sure it's only the unvaccinated who are in danger

But isn't it awful good of governments to go to such lengths to care about whether Tom Dick and Harry are vaccinated. They're terribly concerned about our healths, that they'll go to extreme lengths to keep us all safe. And we really haven't seen nothing yet. Covid passports in hospitality are only the beginning. Expect to see Austria-type situation upcoming. Singapore are refusing medical treatment to unvaccinated and the big supermarkets already have  covid passports in place ready to go, even though they've not law yet

But nothing unusual about all that. They only want what's best for me and you.

[Milltown Row2]

You highlighted the first part but didn't highlight were I said working and socialising without annoyance? Is that the problem with ones who are blinded?

The guidelines are simple here, you are allowed out, providing you follow the guidelines, if that changes she'll follow suit, she's double jabbed, her decision. She's opinionated but, makes her own decisions in life also.

[Milltown Row2]

Question for those from the 6 counties here ... am I alone in being confused ref. when and where to get a booster jab?  I hear on the news its now available to 40+ age group, but when I read the NIdirect website, it still states 50+.  Surely the mass vaccinations centres that took over leisure centres etc. and did a fantastic job in vaccinating the masses, should be opened again to give anyone a top up who needs it.

I'm now 6 months from second jab, would kind of like to get the booster soon.

I'm not 50 yet, (month and a half ffs) booster this Sunday, I was double jabbed early doors, so bit later for me with booster.

[From the Bunker]

I respect the pressures that people have with elderly and medically vulnerable family/friends. These are the people under threat. who could die. No matter what our beliefs are, no one should be scapegoated, frowned upon or isolated from their community. The unvaxxed have to accept the fact that people willingly decided to take an experimental drug by their own free will that has no recourse. And that does not make them a lesser person in society.

[thebigfella]

I respect the pressures that people have with elderly and medically vulnerable family/friends. These are the people under threat. who could die. No matter what our beliefs are, no one should be scapegoated, frowned upon or isolated from their community. The unvaxxed have to accept the fact that people willingly decided to take an experimental drug by their own free will that has no recourse. And that does not make them a lesser person in society.

[armaghniac]

I respect the pressures that people have with elderly and medically vulnerable family/friends. These are the people under threat. who could die. No matter what our beliefs are, no one should be scapegoated, frowned upon or isolated from their community. The unvaxxed have to accept the fact that people willingly decided to take an experimental drug by their own free will that has no recourse. And that does not make them a lesser person in society.

Indeed people will die because their neighbours and even their own family don't give a damn and a two second injection is too much trouble for them.
I hope their consciences pay them back.

[seafoid]

Austria is worth looking at for 2 reasons
-Tolerance of the antivax position is over.
- Lockdown is back

https://www.ft.com/content/acaa677d-807e-49c2-806a-3411c6c065a5


 

 "But we have too many political forces, flimsy vaccine sceptics and spreaders of fake news in this country . . . despite campaigns [too many] people have still not been vaccinated,"  
The consequence of allowing vaccine resistance to continue, said Schallenberg, was "endless human suffering" 

It will be the same across the EU. Frontline staff are exhausted. Antivax is a luxury we can no longer afford

[seafoid]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/paul-cullen-this-wave-of-the-virus-like-the-others-will-pass-1.4733501Last year, every 1,000 cases resulted in about 50 people needing to go to hospital. Primary vaccination saw this decrease to 30-35, according to the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet).

The ratio has now fallen further, to 15-20 admissions per 1,000 cases.

[Hound]

"Sweden now has the lowest Covid infection rate in western Europe — after double-vaccinated nationals were told they don't have to test for the virus even if they get symptoms.

The Scandinavian nation — which was subject to international scrutiny last year when it refused to lockdown — is currently recording 85.4 cases per million people, according to Oxford University research site Our World in Data.

By comparison, the rate is nearly 1,400 per million in Europe's current Covid capital Austria, which today announced it is going back into a full lockdown from Monday.

Sweden's infection rate is far lower than other Western European countries like the Netherlands (1,048.7), Britain (581), Germany (536), and France (201)." https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/sweden-now-has-western-europe-s-lowest-covid-infection-rate/ar-AAQU25q

Sweden is using  Donald Trump's idea in how to keep numbers down - stop testing people!

From the article:
'Sweden is currently carrying out just 1.26 tests per 1,000 people, the lowest number in western Europe. For comparison, the UK is carrying out 12 times more swabs, Austria 47 times more, and France almost four times more.'

Also from the article:
'Sweden will impose further restrictions from December 1 requiring everyone attending events of more than 100 people to show proof they are double-vaccinated.

Officials have warned more Covid restrictions may be needed this winter.

Although Sweden chose not to lock down completely early in the pandemic, it did introduce stricter legally-binding curbs last winter as cases and deaths rose."