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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Dublin NFL
« on: February 08, 2018, 02:04:34 PM »
I was reasonably happy with what went on in Omagh. Probably even happier than I would have been with a draw playing the same system as before. Despite what Brolly etc will say there's a definite change of tactics from Tyrone this year with more emphasis on leaving men up. Couldn't do it last week against Galway really with the sending off early but against Dublin they tried it. And in fairness it worked in the first half. But for an awful give away goal and a few bad wides we were right in the game.

It's encouraging that there's an acknowledgement that change was needed. Getting half forwards out of a well ingrained mentality of having to track every run will take more than one game and a few training sessions. I hope we keep this up in Ulster as with Donegal trying the same thing with the same diagonal balls into a two man full forward line the games could end up being very good.

Tyrone / Re: Co. Board/Garvaghey etc
« on: February 08, 2018, 01:49:18 PM »
Didn't Tyrone just play against Dublin leaving two men up and an actual genuine half forward line only this weekend?

The Tyrone games have been dull for a neutral this summer but that's not the fault of Tyrone. It's the fault of inept opponents. Against a better team with a closer game it'll be fine to watch. How people can accuse a team that's scores an insane amount of being dour and defensive is beyond me.

GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Dublin - The end of an era
« on: August 05, 2017, 09:26:04 PM »
Biggest game for Tyrone since the final 9 years ago. I think we can do it but it's going to be tough. A great Dublin team and the ref will give them at least a 4 point head start.

Anything less than a 4 point win for Tyrone will be a failure for you, that or better is progress for Armagh.

Nonsense. Anything less than a 1 point win will be a failure. At this stage getting through is all that matters.

GAA Discussion / Re: 2017 Season - Where are we at?
« on: August 02, 2017, 04:46:56 PM »
What's the cause and what's the effect though?

Surely these counties are in the top two divisions are doing well in the championship because they have the best squads/organization/tactics etc., NOT that doing well in the league somehow is a major reason they do well in the championship?

Granted, a given county may play above themselves in the league in a given year due to being relatively further on in training or playing more first choice players or simply trying harder, but on the whole, I would think league standing and championship success are both an outcome, not a cause and effect.

Yeah very fair. I do think it's more likely the best teams will both progress in the championship and feature highly in the league, but also, playing against the top sides year in and year out in the league can only help you when you get to this stage. It's very rare for a D3 team to progress from the quarters.

GAA Discussion / Re: 2017 Season - Where are we at?
« on: August 02, 2017, 04:44:51 PM »

Unless you are Armagh. 2014 relegated to Div 3 then recovered to reach the last 8. This year couldn't gain promotion from Div 3 and then recovered to reach the last 8 again.

You get that most years though, one or more teams coming through the qualifiers to this stage.

2016 - Clare & Tipp D3 (Tipp Progressed to semi)
2015 - Fermanagh D3
2014 - Armagh relgated from D2
2013 - Monaghan & Cavan
2012 - Only Kildare from D2

So in the last 5 years only Tipp last year progressed from the quarters as a D3 team.

GAA Discussion / Re: 2017 Season - Where are we at?
« on: August 02, 2017, 04:05:04 PM »
Just to expand on what two hands was saying a month ago.

The 8 teams in the quarters...

Kerry - Division 1 winners
Galway - Division 2 winners
Rosscommon- Division 1
Mayo - Division 1
Tyrone - Division 1
Armagh - Division 3
Dublin - Division 1
Monaghan - Division 1

So only 2 teams from D1 failed to make the quarters, Cavan and Donegal
Only 1 side  other than the D2 winners Galway don't play D1

Being in the top divisions really does have a big impact on Championship form.

Clarke would make the team.
Murnin would be there or thereabouts but but his style of play wouldn't suit our high tempo up and down the pitch game we play.
Campbell would hardly make the match day squad. Lee is far superior and only gets a few minutes so enough said there

That's my point about Clarke. Lee and Ronan are our two best scoring forwards for my money but neither is getting a start and Lee is barely getting a run on. Clarke is something else though. Love to watch him play and can't wait to see him live.

Clarke is a super footballer, I've been a fan for years, I love his style and his skill. I question though whether he'd get on the Tyrone starting team. It's not because we have better forwards, but because we have better forwards than those who do start sitting on the bench because the guys that start play the system better.

He really is, he exaggerates minimal contact to throw himself to the ground like a salmon. In fairness to Tiernan McCann he copped himself on after his embarrassing dive against Monaghan a few years ago but Cavanagh has been at this all of his career.

Just reading Mickey Hartes comments and they are laced with irony. Trying to portray his team as a pure footballing outfit in advance of the game when the charge sheet against his own side reads the length of a telepgraph pole. Comical stuff if he wasn't actually being serious.

Minimal contact, eg when he's being fouled he doesn't go out of his way to stay up. Why would he when he would get nothing for it. Again, maybe you don't understand the difference between that and diving but that's hardly Sean's fault.

Thanks illdecide. SmellyMouth is obviously still living in the past with a bitter apples taste in his mouth from the 2004 Marsden incident where Jordan dived to get him sent off. He can't see that this Tyrone team have no cynical players or divers bar Tiernan who is very protective of his hair.

Just read that Harte interview and I think it's more directed at his own players to keep their discipline and not be getting sent off. Mattie Donnelly certainly can be hot headed and was lucky not to see red in Derry.

I wonder will Mickey make any changes for this game. Personally I'd have Declan McClure starting at MF. I wonder will he even start Sean or save him for his last ever game?  :o

Have you conveniently ignored the biggest serial offender in the game, Sean Cavanagh.

He really doesn't. He's well able to win his free but that's not the same as diving.

Funny every time you hear about Oshea or Murphy or Donaghy yiu get the old crap line about them having to get twice as much abuse to win a free. Sean has had more abuse than every one of them through his career and he never gets that excuse.

I wonder why that is.

You'd wonder how legit this is. Could be someone acting the lag and even if they get a couple of grand then stick it in the trouser pocket. Unless someone from the Armagh CB recognises this, or some well known supporters with strong links to the CB I wouldn't recommend donating.

That said, if it is legit then there's nothing wrong with it at all, any more than collecting at a church gate or a bag pack is embarrassing for your local club.

GAA Discussion / Re: Another Kerry player fails a doping test
« on: July 31, 2017, 05:16:54 PM »

What's going on in Westmeath

Misleading dramatic headline as standard for the Indo. The responsibility for the samples has nothing to do with Westmeath once they have been provided. The GAA and the players have done nothing wrong here but that wouldn't get as many clicks.

had you asked about the other counties who had moved training and not alerted SI then that would have been a better story.

The Armagh fans seem to be struggling as to what angle they want to take on this game. On the one hand they want to play up to the fact that Tyrone are big favourites one of the best teams in country and they're only a wee division 3 outfit with no chance. On the other they can't help but think Tyrone are over rated and haven't been tested and that Armagh are much better than the league suggested with a better set of forwards than Tyrone and huge momentum behind them. They're saying the former whilst struggling to hide the latter.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

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