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Title: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 22, 2017, 10:12:37 AM
Monaghan huge favourites to meet ourselves in the Ulster final this year. In fact, there's been many a Freudian slip with commentators/journalists/players saying it's a done deal. Can Down spoil the party? Unlikely.

I have been doing a bit of research regarding the future routes of both the winner and loser of this game:

Winner

Meets round 4b qualifier in the quarter final on the 05/08/17 alongside the Leinster champions QF who also meet a team from the 'B' side of the draw (more than likely will be a double header with Dublin in Croker).

(teams in the 'B' side include Leitrim, London, Carlow, Wexford, Westmeath, Offaly, Clare, Limerick , Tipperary, Down, Armagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Fermanagh)

As the winner of the Ulster final can't meet their Ulster final opponents in the QF they will meet the Leinster runner up (assuming they win their round4 qualifier). The form book at this stage means the Ulster QF could be Tyrone/Monaghan/Down v Kildare.

Loser

The loser of the Ulster final will be out again on the 29/07/17 against a round 3b winner from the teams above. The Leinster loser will also fall into the 'B' side of the draw. Therefore, the loser of the Ulster final (assuming they get through round 4 of the qualifiers will more than likely meet Dublin in a QF as they can't meet the Ulster final winner).

My prediction is:

Ulster final - Tyrone v Monaghan (Tyrone to win, of course!)

Leinster final - Dublin v Kildare (Dubs to win

R4 Qualifier

Kildare v AN other (Kildare to win)

Monaghan v AN other (Monaghan to win)

Quarter finals

Tyrone v Kildare

Dublin v Monaghan

Pie in the sky at this distance, however, those would be two excellent QFs. Would Croker be fit for that double header? They managed it last year with Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal and Dublin. Would be some day out!



Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: westbound on June 22, 2017, 10:25:14 AM
Monaghan huge favourites to meet ourselves in the Ulster final this year. In fact, there's been many a Freudian slip with commentators/journalists/players saying it's a done deal. Can Down spoil the party? Unlikely.

I have been doing a bit of research regarding the future routes of both the winner and loser of this game:

Winner

Meets round 4b qualifier in the quarter final on the 05/08/17 alongside the Leinster champions QF who also meet a team from the 'B' side of the draw (more than likely will be a double header with Dublin in Croker).

(teams in the 'B' side include Leitrim, London, Roscommon, Carlow, Wexford, Westmeath, Offaly, Clare, Limerick , Tipperary, Down, Armagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Fermanagh)

As the winner of the Ulster final can't meet their Ulster final opponents in the QF they will meet the Leinster runner up (assuming they win their round4 qualifier). The form book at this stage means the Ulster QF could be Tyrone/Monaghan/Down v Kildare.

Loser

The loser of the Ulster final will be out again on the 29/07/17 against a round 3b winner from the teams above. The Leinster loser will also fall into the 'B' side of the draw. Therefore, the loser of the Ulster final (assuming they get through round 4 of the qualifiers will more than likely meet Dublin in a QF as they can't meet the Ulster final winner).

My prediction is:

Ulster final - Tyrone v Monaghan (Tyrone to win, of course!)

Leinster final - Dublin v Kildare (Dubs to win

R4 Qualifier

Kildare v AN other (Kildare to win)

Monaghan v AN other (Monaghan to win)

Quarter finals

Tyrone v Kildare

Dublin v Monaghan

Pie in the sky at this distance, however, those would be two excellent QFs. Would Croker be fit for that double header? They managed it last year with Tyrone, Mayo, Donegal and Dublin. Would be some day out!

Roscommon are on the 'A' side of the draw after reaching the connacht final
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 22, 2017, 10:29:27 AM
Just noted that and amended.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on June 22, 2017, 11:13:44 AM
My prediction

It'll be the 4 provincial winners in the semi finals - leaving the qualifiers pointless once again.

Tyrone v Dublin
Galway v Kerry

A very traditional look to it! :)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on June 22, 2017, 04:47:37 PM
Can't argue with the prediction for the Ulster and Leinster sides of the draw. It'll be...

Dublin vs Ulster Loser
Ulster Winner vs Kildare

As I think Tyrone will win the Ulster final then it'll be Dublin vs Monaghan and Tyrone Vs Kildare. There's no-one in that side fo the qualifiers good enough to get through to a quarter final other than the provincial losers.

As for the other side of the draw, I think Mayo and Donegal will have something to say about the quarter finals yet, Mayo especially. How often have Mayo looked poor early only to ramp up as the year goes on.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 22, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
Ironically, would the Ulster loser (if they reach the QF) be in a better position to challenge Dublin? Meeting them slightly earlier in the year and minus Dermot Connolly?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on June 22, 2017, 04:55:26 PM
Meh, even f he's back for the semi final he'll not have been full training with the team (at least in public) so for me any game apart from the final will still have that Connolly advantage.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 22, 2017, 04:59:02 PM
Interesting looking that far ahead lads and it looks like a clash with the Dubs is inevitable this year should we get that far. Omagh_gael I was thinking about that as well though Donegal beat them in the semifinal stage in 2014.

Back to the Ulster final topic.
At the start of last year not many in Tyrone would have been thinking of putting two Ulster titles back to back as we hadn't won one for years but we rather surprisingly find ourselves in that position now.

Back in 1975-76 Derry retained their Ulster title but it wasn't done again until 1995-96 by Tyrone.
That is a very long time with a new winner every year so it was a very competitive championship.

Armagh of course became very dominant in Ulster during the 2000s winning 3 in a row from 2004-2006 with Tyrone biting at their ankles.
Donegal joined the group of back to back winners in 2011-12 after Tyrone had done the same in the previous two years.

Regarding overall titles, Cavan still lead the way with 37 but Monaghan are next with 16 and Tyrone and Armagh both have 14.
Down beat Monaghan 5 years ago in the semi back in 2012 but for many it will be a big shock if they repeat that feat.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on June 22, 2017, 05:11:17 PM
Yeah barring a complete disaster we'll play the Dubs this year.

If we lose Ulster then we have to play against one of these...Leitrim, London, Carlow, Wexford, Westmeath, Offaly, Clare, Limerick , Tipperary, Down, Armagh, Cavan,  Fermanagh to get the chance to play them in the quarter.

If we win Ulster then  play one of those or Kildare to get to play them in the Semifinal.

There's none of those teams that should really stand any hope against Tyrone apart from maybe this resurgent Kildare. That said I'd rather take my chances against them in a Quarter just to progress that bit deeper.

We've been to 3 semi-finals since we last won an All-ireland, against kerry in 2015, Mayo in 2013 and Cork in 2009. We've not shown up at all in any of those games and I'm sure this panel would love to put that right.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on June 22, 2017, 05:13:35 PM
Cavan have an amazing record but apart from 97 the ulsters were won pre 1960. Most of Monaghan's are very old too. It is interesting that Tyrone have overtaken Down . Thuas seal thíos seal.   I wouldn't be surprised if Down got a result against Monaghan.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on June 22, 2017, 05:16:08 PM
Cavan have an amazing record but apart from 97 the ulsters were won pre 1960. Most of Monaghan's are very old too. It is interesting that Tyrone have overtaken Down . Thuas seal thíos seal.   I wouldn't be surprised if Down got a result against Monaghan.

Aye, this is a biggie to win too as it'll put us infront of Armagh into 3rd place on our own and only 1 behind Monaghan. We'd still be 22 short of Cavan lol so that might take a while to close the gap!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 22, 2017, 07:53:12 PM
Cavan have an amazing record but apart from 97 the ulsters were won pre 1960. Most of Monaghan's are very old too. It is interesting that Tyrone have overtaken Down . Thuas seal thíos seal.   I wouldn't be surprised if Down got a result against Monaghan.

Aye, this is a biggie to win too as it'll put us infront of Armagh into 3rd place on our own and only 1 behind Monaghan. We'd still be 22 short of Cavan lol so that might take a while to close the gap!

Mickey Harte will stay at the helm until Tyrone overtake Cavan on the Ulster roll of honour.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 22, 2017, 08:17:30 PM
Cavan have an amazing record but apart from 97 the ulsters were won pre 1960. Most of Monaghan's are very old too. It is interesting that Tyrone have overtaken Down . Thuas seal thíos seal.   I wouldn't be surprised if Down got a result against Monaghan.

Aye, this is a biggie to win too as it'll put us infront of Armagh into 3rd place on our own and only 1 behind Monaghan. We'd still be 22 short of Cavan lol so that might take a while to close the gap!

Mickey Harte will stay at the helm until Tyrone overtake Cavan on the Ulster roll of honour.
;D ;D
Nah Cavans are lala land sure they were straight into the final for half those anyway.

I think Monaghan will do for Mickey. We overtook them this year in McKenna Cup and we should catch them soon in the UC
Spirit of '88 #neverforget
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on June 22, 2017, 08:29:52 PM
 The Ulster finalists will meet again in the semi final if both teams win their subsequent games?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 23, 2017, 12:09:11 AM
Yeah, one of us would need to take Dublin out first for that to happen. We'll leave that to you sure!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 23, 2017, 02:11:14 AM
The Ulster finalists will meet again in the semi final if both teams win their subsequent games?

Well since the quarter finals take place before the semis Id only imagine your scenario is possible if Down win on Sunday.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 23, 2017, 09:54:37 AM
Do Monaghan feel this is their year to finally kick on to the next level?
What did you make of the match last weekend?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on June 23, 2017, 11:04:57 AM
The Ulster finalists will meet again in the semi final if both teams win their subsequent games?

Well since the quarter finals take place before the semis Id only imagine your scenario is possible if Down win on Sunday.
Should both finalist win subsequent games, what difference does it make (and where does the difference come about) to an AI semi final pairing between the ulster finalists, if Down beat Monaghan on Saturday?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on June 23, 2017, 11:38:15 AM
Do Monaghan feel this is their year to finally kick on to the next level?
The team think they're in a better place than previous years, what that means remains to be seen.

Quote
What did you make of the match last weekend?
In a nutshell, Tyrone very good, tactically totally dominant and made Donegal look poor, to the point of despair.
Peter Harte is an outstanding player.


Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 23, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
The Ulster finalists will meet again in the semi final if both teams win their subsequent games?

Well since the quarter finals take place before the semis Id only imagine your scenario is possible if Down win on Sunday.
Should both finalist win subsequent games, what difference does it make (and where does the difference come about) to an AI semi final pairing between the ulster finalists, if Down beat Monaghan on Saturday?

I was basing the likelihood of Monaghan making a semi slim considering Monaghan's record in quarter finals.

How does their record stand now in QFs exactly?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on June 23, 2017, 05:49:26 PM
The Ulster finalists will meet again in the semi final if both teams win their subsequent games?

Well since the quarter finals take place before the semis Id only imagine your scenario is possible if Down win on Sunday.
Should both finalist win subsequent games, what difference does it make (and where does the difference come about) to an AI semi final pairing between the ulster finalists, if Down beat Monaghan on Saturday?
I was basing the likelihood of Monaghan making a semi slim considering Monaghan's record in quarter finals.
Obviously I underestimated the depth of your moronicity.

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How does their record stand now in QFs exactly?
About the same as the number of your IQ  ;D



Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: highorlow on June 24, 2017, 09:43:26 PM
Down
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: SouthDublinBro on June 24, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
An actual game of football might break out now that neither Donegal or Monaghan will be in attendance.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on June 24, 2017, 10:25:42 PM
Down don't like us.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 24, 2017, 10:41:46 PM
Up Down!

How do I edit title??
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on June 24, 2017, 10:56:01 PM
I reckon there'll only be a kick of a ball between these two. Down will give Tyrone their fill of it. Men against boys stuff, as the saying goes.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: rrhf on June 24, 2017, 11:07:46 PM
big plunket scored from 50 yards against pat donnan and they gave us no credit.. we owe them big time.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 24, 2017, 11:18:10 PM
23 years since Down won Ulster. The next one is 23 days away.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on June 24, 2017, 11:29:01 PM
2003 was one of the best games I was at. Simply because it was farcical.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on June 24, 2017, 11:39:08 PM
23 years since Down won Ulster. The next one is 23 days away.

That would be days on the planet Venus, I suppose.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 24, 2017, 11:39:35 PM
2003 was one of the best games I was at. Simply because it was farcical.

If Connaire Harrison is injured they could call on big Dan Gordan. We're fcuked!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sid waddell on June 24, 2017, 11:40:27 PM
23 years since Down won Ulster. The next one is 23 days away.
1991 was 23 years since Down previously won the All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 25, 2017, 12:07:22 AM
2003 was one of the best games I was at. Simply because it was farcical.

If Connaire Harrison is injured they could call on big Dan Gordan. We're fcuked!

Quaate blethering and update the thread title
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 25, 2017, 12:12:07 AM
2003 was one of the best games I was at. Simply because it was farcical.

If Connaire Harrison is injured they could call on big Dan Gordan. We're fcuked!

Quaate blethering and update the thread title

How the feck do I do it? Can't see any option to update!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 25, 2017, 12:12:55 AM
2003 was one of the best games I was at. Simply because it was farcical.

If Connaire Harrison is injured they could call on big Dan Gordan. We're fcuked!

Quaate blethering and update the thread title

How the feck do I do it? Can't see any option to update!

Go back and edit the title in the opening post?
Title: Omaghgael is a wile idiot hi!
Post by: hardstation on June 25, 2017, 12:15:06 AM
2003 was one of the best games I was at. Simply because it was farcical.

If Connaire Harrison is injured they could call on big Dan Gordan. We're fcuked!

Quaate blethering and update the thread title

How the feck do I do it? Can't see any option to update!
Not that hard ffs
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 25, 2017, 12:16:34 AM
Calm the passion HS, that Monaghan thread has you rattled!

Title changed. I'm going for Down by 3.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 12:59:28 AM
What odds were Down for ulster before the c'ship?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Blowitupref on June 25, 2017, 01:24:15 AM
What odds were Down for ulster before the c'ship?
16/1 https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/county-by-county-time-for-monaghan-to-make-the-next-step-1.3081497
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: stew on June 25, 2017, 06:04:45 AM
I never thought I would say this but up Tyrone!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: BennyCake on June 25, 2017, 11:24:16 AM
I never thought I would say this but up Tyrone!

Shame on you, stew. Shame on you.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: PAULD123 on June 25, 2017, 01:19:15 PM
Cavan have an amazing record but apart from 97 the ulsters were won pre 1960. Most of Monaghan's are very old too. It is interesting that Tyrone have overtaken Down . Thuas seal thíos seal.   I wouldn't be surprised if Down got a result against Monaghan.

Fair play to you Seafoid, stuck your neck out there.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 26, 2017, 03:14:42 PM
Any word on Harrison's injury? He'll be a big miss if he doesn't make it.

How would you guys rate your midfield? I think we'll see lots of ball going long as both sides will push up on the kick outs.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 03:20:16 PM
We wont be complacent like Monaghan were.
We wont let Down walk all over us like Monaghan did.

Lets be realistic. Given our quality and the way MH has the lads we should be comfortably beating a decidedly average Down outfit.

Johnston & Harrison wont get the same space as they did Saturday night.

We are 2/9 - same price as Monaghan were. Should be 1/6
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: PAULD123 on June 26, 2017, 04:01:17 PM
We wont be complacent like Monaghan were.
We wont let Down walk all over us like Monaghan did.

Lets be realistic. Given our quality and the way MH has the lads we should be comfortably beating a decidedly average Down outfit.

Johnston & Harrison wont get the same space as they did Saturday night.

We are 2/9 - same price as Monaghan were. Should be 1/6

In a post on another forum you accused Down fans of being arrogant. Not one Down fan has predicted we will beat Tyrone, in fact everyone has said that if we can raise the same level of performance, as Saturday, we will at least offer a fair challenge. Not very arrogant at all, but maybe you should look at your own post.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2017, 04:04:33 PM
We wont be complacent like Monaghan were.
We wont let Down walk all over us like Monaghan did.

Lets be realistic. Given our quality and the way MH has the lads we should be comfortably beating a decidedly average Down outfit.

Johnston & Harrison wont get the same space as they did Saturday night.

We are 2/9 - same price as Monaghan were. Should be 1/6

In a post on another forum you accused Down fans of being arrogant. Not one Down fan has predicted we will beat Tyrone, in fact everyone has said that if we can raise the same level of performance, as Saturday, we will at least offer a fair challenge. Not very arrogant at all, but maybe you should look at your own post.

Huge difference between unfounded arrogance and confidence.

Am pretty sure me and you dont post on another forum together
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 26, 2017, 04:06:28 PM
We wont be complacent like Monaghan were.
We wont let Down walk all over us like Monaghan did.

Lets be realistic. Given our quality and the way MH has the lads we should be comfortably beating a decidedly average Down outfit.

Johnston & Harrison wont get the same space as they did Saturday night.

We are 2/9 - same price as Monaghan were. Should be 1/6

In a post on another forum you accused Down fans of being arrogant. Not one Down fan has predicted we will beat Tyrone, in fact everyone has said that if we can raise the same level of performance, as Saturday, we will at least offer a fair challenge. Not very arrogant at all, but maybe you should look at your own post.

It's a pretty poor and obvious attempt at trolling.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 26, 2017, 04:27:15 PM
Any word on Harrison's injury? He'll be a big miss if he doesn't make it.

How would you guys rate your midfield? I think we'll see lots of ball going long as both sides will push up on the kick outs.

I think you've highlighted Down's two big threats there OG. Harrison caused Wylie all sorts of problems on Saturday and you would imagine Mickey would have taken due note of that.

I think our best performance in years all stemmed from the long kickouts and by-passing of Donegal's defensive system as they pushed up on our kick-outs. I'd be a tad worried about the times when big Colm makes a huge leap and lands on his ass and suddenly the other team are on the attack as he's out of position then to defend the square.
I'd say Down will be really up for this game and will hold no fear of us. It's been a while since we've met. Was 2010 the last time when Tyrone won by 4.

The Armagh lads must be well happy for such a final.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: snoopdog on June 26, 2017, 04:37:37 PM
Any word on Harrison's injury? He'll be a big miss if he doesn't make it.

How would you guys rate your midfield? I think we'll see lots of ball going long as both sides will push up on the kick outs.

I think you've highlighted Down's two big threats there OG. Harrison caused Wylie all sorts of problems on Saturday and you would imagine Mickey would have taken due note of that.

I think our best performance in years all stemmed from the long kickouts and by-passing of Donegal's defensive system as they pushed up on our kick-outs. I'd be a tad worried about the times when big Colm makes a huge leap and lands on his ass and suddenly the other team are on the attack as he's out of position then to defend the square.
I'd say Down will be really up for this game and will hold no fear of us. It's been a while since we've met. Was 2010 the last time when Tyrone won by 4.

The Armagh lads must be well happy for such a final.

2014. Draw in Omagh. Tyrone won the replay in Newry.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on June 26, 2017, 07:25:59 PM
I think Down might shade it. Tyrone have no goal scoring maestro. Down have the race memory.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: An Watcher on June 26, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
Fairly confident tyrone should see this out however recent history has plenty of warnings.  Was it 2008 that down beat tyrone in the marshes after a replay and that was the team that went on to win the all Ireland.  Pushed them to a draw recently as well.  Avoid any complacency and tyrone should win
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on June 27, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
I'd expect Tyrone to win this by close to 10 points.

If they do this would have to be considered one of the easiest won Ulster Titles in recent times?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Estimator on June 27, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
I'd expect Tyrone to win this by close to 10 points.

If they do this would have to be considered one of the easiest won Ulster Titles in recent times?

I'd agree with this.  If Tyrone play the way that they did against Derry and Donegal, then they should rack up a similar score to the previous games. And it will be the easiest of Ulster Titles.

However, what will Tyrone and Mickey Harte have learned from such an easy passage to the Quarter Final.  It's all well and good hammering these teams, and throwing on subs that will knock over 2, 3, or 4 points when the opposition have thrown in the towel.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 27, 2017, 11:14:42 AM
Tyrone fans obviously don't do Kerry Cute Hoorism very well on here.

I think most of us know that football has a way of jumping up and biting you on the arse when you least expect it and remember how we almost lost to them in 2003.

Down surprisingly got to an Ulster final that year having lost in the first round the previous 3 years including a defeat to Antrim in 2000. In 2010 they also came from nowhere to get to an AI final having lost to Fermanagh the year before.
As Brolly said they are a sleeping giant who awakes every so often to produce a shock and the last thing we want to be doing is thinking ahead of an AI quarterfinal.

We know we are capable of beating them by 10+ points when things go well for us like the last day against Donegal but we also know there are days when things don't go so well for us and we struggle to get scores. What happens if Down block off that central shooting channel and the long distance shooting is poor because it's a wet or windy day?

Obviously not many of ye learnt much from Monaghan's attitude towards Down and how they were planning more for us in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on June 27, 2017, 11:50:07 AM
I would say the Monaghan game makes it a less difficult task for Tyrone IMO.

Whilst I'm confident I'm sure Harte and Horse will be drilling it into the boys that they need to be on top of their game to beat Down.

Also Downs cat is out of the bag in regard to Harrison - How many of us feared him before the Monaghan game but now its clear they need to work on tactics on him.

Monaghan had no warning and where caught on the hop by a great gameplan by Down. Tyrone should be wise to this

I could be wrong and I will hold up my hands if Down beat Tyrone but thats how I see it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on June 27, 2017, 12:21:43 PM
Totally agree lads. The chasm between the teams is huge. Our only enemy is complacency.

I expect us to be even hotter favourites come game day than the 2/9 we are today.

Fuzz, I understand what you are saying but MH is too long in the tooth to allow us not to be up for the game. Monaghan have been caught napping in a number of games in recent years unlike ourselves
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on June 27, 2017, 12:27:55 PM
Can't see anything but an easy Tyrone victory. Down are now exposed and I doubt if Tyrone will be physically bullied by Down in the way that Monaghan and Armagh allowed themselves be. Neither side have any real match winners but Tyrone have a lot more fluid athletic players who can kick 2 or 3 points each from half back up. Tyrone to win this with a bit to spare. 
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Totally agree lads. The chasm between the teams is huge. Our only enemy is complacency.

I expect us to be even hotter favourites come game day than the 2/9 we are today.

Fuzz, I understand what you are saying but MH is too long in the tooth to allow us not to be up for the game. Monaghan have been caught napping in a number of games in recent years unlike ourselves

You can show us your betting slip with an undoubtedly large sum placed on Tyrone then?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: clarshack on June 27, 2017, 12:56:27 PM
been following Tyrone since 1984 and in that time we have had a pretty good record against Down.
think it's been something like this:

84 - tyrone win
86 - tyrone win
89 - tyrone win
94 - down win
96 - tyrone win
97 - tyrone win after replay
98 - down win
99 - down win
03 - tyrone win after replay
04 - tyrone win
05 - tyrone win
08 - down win after replay
10 - tyrone win
14 - tyrone win after replay

Tyrone will be red hot favourites but the 2003 final should still serve as a good reminder not to get complacent.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 27, 2017, 01:12:53 PM
A draw it is then haha.
That is am impressive record we have against them I agree and am surprised they've not beaten us more though since the 2000s Down have been very poor.

If Down bullied Monaghan and Armagh why don't you think they can do the same to us?
All I'm saying is yes we have looked awesome in the 2 games we've played so far but neither team really stood up to us defensively. I'm just a little worried that if it's a windy or wet day, will our long range shooting be as good as it has been so far. If we have a bad day at the office will we find it harder to get scores?

I think most of us would have been worried enough about beating Monaghan in the final would we not yet we most of ye don't seem in the slightest worried about the team that beat them. Compare how the mood was before the Derry match where expectations were a lot more muted than last year, yet here we are now again probably thinking about a big game against the Dubs in August.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on June 27, 2017, 02:05:07 PM
I saw this quote a while ago : "It really is dreadful stuff. It's the sort of game you associate with Tyrone but it is up to everyone else to come out and beat them". If Down scored a few goals I presume it would do the job.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 27, 2017, 03:22:15 PM
I saw this quote a while ago : "It really is dreadful stuff. It's the sort of game you associate with Tyrone but it is up to everyone else to come out and beat them". If Down scored a few goals I presume it would do the job.

4 scored so far this year in league and championship so that's probably out of the question.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on June 27, 2017, 03:53:41 PM
Did Down not win a match in 2 years until the 3rd round of the league this year? It is great to.see them in the Ulster Final.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 28, 2017, 01:26:21 PM
I saw this quote a while ago : "It really is dreadful stuff. It's the sort of game you associate with Tyrone but it is up to everyone else to come out and beat them". If Down scored a few goals I presume it would do the job.

FFS! If you're going to quote some anti-Tyrone gobshite, at least do the numpty the honour of attribution! :P ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 28, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Was that Brolly who said that? At which game was it?
I see Brolly has already changed from Tyrone are going nowhere and their team are all depressed from being having so much fear to now being AI contenders with a total team ethos and not dependent on any one player.

I was looking at the B side of the draw as that's who the losers of Ulster and Leinster play.
It looks a lot easier than the A side with Monaghan, Cavan and Armagh looking the most likely to come through I reckon
You could see Monaghan v Kildare and Cavan v Down/Tyrone in round 4. I'm sure Monaghan would be delighted to meet Tyrone again in an AI quarterfinal.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on June 28, 2017, 05:25:27 PM
I saw this quote a while ago : "It really is dreadful stuff. It's the sort of game you associate with Tyrone but it is up to everyone else to come out and beat them". If Down scored a few goals I presume it would do the job.

FFS! If you're going to quote some anti-Tyrone gobshite, at least do the numpty the honour of attribution! :P ;)
Might have been TSG. I thought Tyrone had the everyone hates us , we don't care attitude
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on June 28, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
I saw this quote a while ago : "It really is dreadful stuff. It's the sort of game you associate with Tyrone but it is up to everyone else to come out and beat them". If Down scored a few goals I presume it would do the job.

FFS! If you're going to quote some anti-Tyrone gobshite, at least do the numpty the honour of attribution! :P ;)
Might have been TSG. I thought Tyrone had the everyone hates us , we don't care attitude

It was O'Rourke on TSG.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 28, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
Tyrone have only two weeks to make up the gap in the physicality stakes and to be honest that's not enough time. Down will be stronger on the pitch and consequently also on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 28, 2017, 08:18:29 PM
I saw this quote a while ago : "It really is dreadful stuff. It's the sort of game you associate with Tyrone but it is up to everyone else to come out and beat them". If Down scored a few goals I presume it would do the job.

FFS! If you're going to quote some anti-Tyrone gobshite, at least do the numpty the honour of attribution! :P ;)
Might have been TSG. I thought Tyrone had the everyone hates us , we don't care attitude

It was O'Rourke on TSG.

:D  :D
Poor ole Colm, every time the dreary plonker is on I cant help think he's a metaphor for the demise of Meath football.
It would be sad if it wasn't so funny

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 28, 2017, 08:21:45 PM
Tyrone have only two weeks to make up the gap in the physicality stakes and to be honest that's not enough time. Down will be stronger on the pitch and consequently also on the scoreboard.
Start with BS, then use it as a basis for more nonsense.
Come to think of it its like a template a TSG pundit's match preview
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 28, 2017, 08:22:23 PM
Seems like a long ole stretch to the final the year, is there an extra week between the semis? Somethin to do with fixture congestion?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: SamFever on June 30, 2017, 09:24:01 AM
Seems like a long ole stretch to the final the year, is there an extra week between the semis? Somethin to do with fixture congestion?
  it's been a long ole stretch for Down alright.5 years.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 30, 2017, 10:32:11 AM
It's hard to believe that it's 23 years since Down last won an Ulster title, back in 1994 where they went on to win Sam. They beat Tyrone in the Ulster final that day however, Tyrone would go on to win the next two Ulster titles in a row, a feat that hadn't been done since Derry 1976-77.

Some great players on the pitch that day from both sides who went on to play in consecutive All-Ireland finals. More so on the Down team perhaps with Linden, Ross Carr, James McCartan though Canavan and Cush were coming good in those days.

Stop the video on 1.05 to bring back a funny memory from the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-TFr7SbSio

God its a very different type of game nowadays though Paul Donnelly would probably love it today.

Can anyone remember the team from that day? Was that Aidy Morris wearing 7 and was Plunkett still playing that day with Corr? Did Jody Gormley come on board the following year?
Big Adrian Kilpatrick at 11 and Barney Gormley 13. Not sure who was at 15. Was McGarrity and Sean McLaughlin on board that year? Two Lawns and two Canavans. We always seem to have a lot of brothers on Tyrone teams, even back in 1986 McClures and Mallons.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Dire Ear on June 30, 2017, 10:59:34 AM
Some mighty footballers on that Down team
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on June 30, 2017, 12:58:55 PM
Remember being behind the goal when Carr took that penalty - some strike!

I think he thanked god after it if my memory serves me well!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2017, 03:29:11 PM
Fog horns. Are they not allowed any more?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 30, 2017, 03:58:06 PM
Ill have a quick stab at the teams of the top of my head

McConnell
F. Devlin
C. Lawn
P. Devlin
MOrris
Kilpatrick
Donnelly
Donaghy
Pas Canavan (or  was he suspended from Derry match?)
Stephen Lawn
Corr
Cush
Loughran
Canavan
McGleenan

Down

Neil (something.... was it Burns)
Higgins
Burns
Mason
Kane
o'Rourke?
...?
Burns?
G. McCartan
J.McCartan
Blaney
Carr
Linden
Farrell
...?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 30, 2017, 04:06:33 PM
At least one Deegan, maybe two, missing.

Plus Mason would have been half fwd if anywhere

Neil Collins

Ah 1994 - those were the days - when Tyrone just rolled over and died like good sports.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on June 30, 2017, 04:11:18 PM
From watching the youtube clip I made out
Cassidy was in nets
Fay Devlin
Back Lawn
I presume Paul Devlin but didn't notice him
Morris
Logan
Paul Donnelly
Plunkett
Corr
Cush
Adrian Kilpatrick
Freshly cut Lawn
Barney Gormley
Peter
Can't see who was 15 though he runs past the camera at one stage. 

Pascal was No 20 but don't know who he was on for.

It was Neil Collins in nets for Down

Aristo, blame Meath for teaching us the dark ways of how to win.
If McGlennon and Cush had of been fit I think we could have won the AI in 1995 but the Meath defeat in 1996 crushed the spirit of that team
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on June 30, 2017, 04:44:04 PM
Logan FFS  ::)
Cassidy of course
Now I think about it P.Devlin might have not have been on, was Morris in the corner with McGarrity on the wing?
Had to be Loughran at CF

Deegan... tara how your memory fails ye
I thought Mason started life at corner back did he not?

BTW Burns did a great hatchet job on Canavan that day, anytime he got the ball he was pulled down end off. Down had some right old hallions on that team
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: red hander on June 30, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
At least one Deegan, maybe two, missing.

Plus Mason would have been half fwd if anywhere

Neil Collins

Ah 1994 - those were the days - when Tyrone just rolled over and died like good sports.

I don't think we rolled over that day tbf. Think there was six points in it at the end on a boiling hot day, but that Down team was some outfit, as was proved in September. They were just the better team on the day full stop, no complaints. It won't happen this year, of course
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on June 30, 2017, 06:45:19 PM
That was some point by Linden in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v ???????? 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 30, 2017, 07:39:24 PM
Down don't like us.

nobody likes tyrone lol
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Lecale Gael on June 30, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
Down in 94 were

1.Neil Collins
2.Miceal Magill
3.Brian Burns
4.Paul Higgins
5.Eamon Burns
6.Barry Breen
7.DJ Kane
8.Conor Deegan
9.Gregory McCartan
10.Ross Carr
11. Greg Blaney
12. Gary Mason
13. Mickey Linden
14. Aidan Farrell
15. James McCartan
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: SuperHo on July 01, 2017, 12:03:07 AM
Paul donnelly and the boot??
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: 5 Sams on July 01, 2017, 02:13:08 AM
Down in 94 were

1.Neil Collins
2.Miceal Magill
3.Brian Burns
4.Paul Higgins
5.Eamon Burns
6.Barry Breen
7.DJ Kane
8.Conor Deegan
9.Gregory McCartan
10.Ross Carr
11. Greg Blaney
12. Gary Mason
13. Mickey Linden
14. Aidan Farrell
15. James McCartan

Some team...not one weak link. Mickey POT.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 01, 2017, 05:47:20 AM
Down in 94 were

1.Neil Collins
2.Miceal Magill
3.Brian Burns
4.Paul Higgins
5.Eamon Burns
6.Barry Breen
7.DJ Kane
8.Conor Deegan
9.Gregory McCartan
10.Ross Carr
11. Greg Blaney
12. Gary Mason
13. Mickey Linden
14. Aidan Farrell
15. James McCartan
What a deadly FF line
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ardtole on July 01, 2017, 06:05:10 AM
Any Dublin based Down or Tyrone supporters looking for a bus to Clones for the Ulster final can give me a pm.  €25/30return.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 01, 2017, 07:41:52 PM
Donegal v Longford game certainly puts a different spin on our performance.

Down by 3.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 01, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
It'll be a great occasion. Down bring vibrant colour, support and knowledge to an Ulster final. They're a fine county.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 01, 2017, 09:45:59 PM
Any Dublin based Down or Tyrone supporters looking for a bus to Clones for the Ulster final can give me a pm.  €25/30return.

Is that €25 for Down fans and €30 for Tyrone fans?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ardtole on July 01, 2017, 09:49:22 PM
Any Dublin based Down or Tyrone supporters looking for a bus to Clones for the Ulster final can give me a pm.  €25/30return.

Is that €25 for Down fans and €30 for Tyrone fans?
Depends on numbers and size of bus we hire. Bus Eireann service to Clones isnt great, thought this might be a better option.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 01, 2017, 11:26:54 PM
It'll be a great occasion. Down bring vibrant colour, support and knowledge to an Ulster final. They're a fine county.

We're a great bunch of lads altogether.

I thought Donegal were awful rather than  Tyrone being as good as people said after the semi but I wouldn't read too much into it - Monaghan will probably struggle over Wexford and people will say that Down just caught an overhyped and overrated Monaghan team on the hop. It's hard to get motivated for the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 02, 2017, 11:05:35 AM
Joe Cassidy
Garth mc Girr
Chris lawn
Fay Devlin
Paul Hog
Ferghal Logan
aiden Morris
plunkett Donaghy
Sid Corr
Cush
Adrain Kilpatrick
Stephen lawn
Barney Gormley
Canavan
Ciaran Loughran
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 02, 2017, 12:43:15 PM
Was that the Gareth McGirr year?
Would never have remembered that.
Had you the programme or how did you remember that?
Where did he go after that?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Dire Ear on July 04, 2017, 06:30:41 PM
Joe McQuillan  reffing :(
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aughafad on July 04, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: 5 Sams on July 04, 2017, 10:57:54 PM
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Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 05, 2017, 08:08:30 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Stall the Bailer on July 05, 2017, 10:03:14 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
The referee's job, is too blow for fouls not decide how to let a game flow. It is this letting a game flow that leads to the inconsistency in refereeing. It is either a foul or not. If it is then it needs to be given.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 05, 2017, 10:09:03 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.

By fup u won't be forgetting any Down boy's names after next Sunday ! Yeow!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 10:15:56 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.

By fup u won't be forgetting any Down boy's names after next Sunday ! Yeow!

Jesus Christ. I thought people stopped saying 'Yeow' when they hit puberty?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 05, 2017, 10:40:52 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
The referee's job, is too blow for fouls not decide how to let a game flow. It is this letting a game flow that leads to the inconsistency in refereeing. It is either a foul or not. If it is then it needs to be given.

You sound like a referee. A good referee isn't noticed during a game and lets it flow. He isn't there to be the centre of attention which some of these new referees seem to think is for the best. Awarding the most frees or giving out the most cards doesn't mean you did well. There are many marginal calls in gaelic that some referees give and some don't, those that let it flow are definitely better referees.

Some of them blow for frees that aren't even frees in the first place such as a good shoulder to shoulder challenge. And the fussy one's have ruined the advantage rule by putting their hand up for frees that weren't frees in the first place and then going back for the free when a player gets his advantage and misses the score 15 seconds later.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 05, 2017, 10:41:29 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.

By fup u won't be forgetting any Down boy's names after next Sunday ! Yeow!

Yeah I'll remember the Down lads names that you are complaining about for playing so poorly after the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Stall the Bailer on July 05, 2017, 10:46:46 AM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
The referee's job, is too blow for fouls not decide how to let a game flow. It is this letting a game flow that leads to the inconsistency in refereeing. It is either a foul or not. If it is then it needs to be given.

You sound like a referee. A good referee isn't noticed during a game and lets it flow. He isn't there to be the centre of attention which some of these new referees seem to think is for the best. Awarding the most frees or giving out the most cards doesn't mean you did well. There are many marginal calls in gaelic that some referees give and some don't, those that let it flow are definitely better referees.

Some of them blow for frees that aren't even frees in the first place such as a good shoulder to shoulder challenge. And the fussy one's have ruined the advantage rule by putting their hand up for frees that weren't frees in the first place and then going back for the free when a player gets his advantage and misses the score 15 seconds later.
I agree they shouldn't blow if it is not a free, but if there is a foul they must call it, either by using advantage or a free.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Dire Ear on July 05, 2017, 12:04:11 PM
" A good referee isn't noticed during a game and lets it flow"
You can be fairly certain Joe McQ will be noticed........and not for the right reasons.  Loves the attention
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 05, 2017, 12:32:07 PM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
The referee's job, is too blow for fouls not decide how to let a game flow. It is this letting a game flow that leads to the inconsistency in refereeing. It is either a foul or not. If it is then it needs to be given.

You sound like a referee. A good referee isn't noticed during a game and lets it flow. He isn't there to be the centre of attention which some of these new referees seem to think is for the best. Awarding the most frees or giving out the most cards doesn't mean you did well. There are many marginal calls in gaelic that some referees give and some don't, those that let it flow are definitely better referees.

Some of them blow for frees that aren't even frees in the first place such as a good shoulder to shoulder challenge. And the fussy one's have ruined the advantage rule by putting their hand up for frees that weren't frees in the first place and then going back for the free when a player gets his advantage and misses the score 15 seconds later.
I agree they shouldn't blow if it is not a free, but if there is a foul they must call it, either by using advantage or a free.
That's how advantage is applied.
If there is a foul play but still an advantage to be played, the ref acknowledges the advantage with a hand gesture and pulls the game back should it come to nowt.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 05, 2017, 03:11:02 PM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
The referee's job, is too blow for fouls not decide how to let a game flow. It is this letting a game flow that leads to the inconsistency in refereeing. It is either a foul or not. If it is then it needs to be given.

You sound like a referee. A good referee isn't noticed during a game and lets it flow. He isn't there to be the centre of attention which some of these new referees seem to think is for the best. Awarding the most frees or giving out the most cards doesn't mean you did well. There are many marginal calls in gaelic that some referees give and some don't, those that let it flow are definitely better referees.

Some of them blow for frees that aren't even frees in the first place such as a good shoulder to shoulder challenge. And the fussy one's have ruined the advantage rule by putting their hand up for frees that weren't frees in the first place and then going back for the free when a player gets his advantage and misses the score 15 seconds later.
I agree they shouldn't blow if it is not a free, but if there is a foul they must call it, either by using advantage or a free.
That's how advantage is applied.
If there is a foul play but still an advantage to be played, the ref acknowledges the advantage with a hand gesture and pulls the game back should it come to nowt.

Nice to see you contributing to the Ulster Final Chat!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 05, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
Any word on Connaire Harrison from the Down folk?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 05, 2017, 03:45:17 PM
Any word on Connaire Harrison from the Down folk?

He's currently training with the rest of the panel and will be fine for the Ulster Final.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 03:47:28 PM
Any word on Connaire Harrison from the Down folk?

He's currently training with the rest of the panel and will be fine for the Ulster Final.

Great news.
Wont be any bullshit excuses then
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 05, 2017, 03:57:46 PM
Any word on Connaire Harrison from the Down folk?

He's currently training with the rest of the panel and will be fine for the Ulster Final.

Great news.
Wont be any bullshit excuses then

What will yours be for not beating us by more than ten?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 05, 2017, 04:04:44 PM
Any word on Connaire Harrison from the Down folk?

He's currently training with the rest of the panel and will be fine for the Ulster Final.

Great news.
Wont be any bullshit excuses then

What will yours be for not beating us by more than ten?

We dont do excuses
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 05, 2017, 08:06:24 PM
Joe McQuillan and Pauric Hughes must have naked pictures of those in the CCCC to keep getting these fixtures!
As an ulster man i have to say we produce the worse referees on the all ireland stage.

McQuillan is probably one of the better referees from Ulster too. The new breed are all awful. Every one of them is far to fussy blowing up free after free for minimal contact and not letting the game flow. They don't seem to referee with any common sense at all. A good referee has to let the game go a bit - Hughes, Hurson, Cassidy and the Down ref who's name I forget are all awful.
The referee's job, is too blow for fouls not decide how to let a game flow. It is this letting a game flow that leads to the inconsistency in refereeing. It is either a foul or not. If it is then it needs to be given.

You sound like a referee. A good referee isn't noticed during a game and lets it flow. He isn't there to be the centre of attention which some of these new referees seem to think is for the best. Awarding the most frees or giving out the most cards doesn't mean you did well. There are many marginal calls in gaelic that some referees give and some don't, those that let it flow are definitely better referees.

Some of them blow for frees that aren't even frees in the first place such as a good shoulder to shoulder challenge. And the fussy one's have ruined the advantage rule by putting their hand up for frees that weren't frees in the first place and then going back for the free when a player gets his advantage and misses the score 15 seconds later.
I agree they shouldn't blow if it is not a free, but if there is a foul they must call it, either by using advantage or a free.
That's how advantage is applied.
If there is a foul play but still an advantage to be played, the ref acknowledges the advantage with a hand gesture and pulls the game back should it come to nowt.

Nice to see you contributing to the Ulster Final Chat!!!  ;D
For the sake of the board's reputation there needed to be an injection of  some common sense, in the face of the usual inane anti-ref comments. McQuillan is a very good ref and as good as this game could get.
I'm not interested in the Ulster Final, a pox on both your houses  :D
This final is bit of a damp squib, my shackles are not aroused.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 05, 2017, 08:16:07 PM
For the sake of the board's reputation there needed to be an injection of  some common sense, in the face of the usual inane anti-ref comments. McQuillan is a very good ref and as good as this game could get.
I'm not interested in the Ulster Final, a pox on both your houses  :D
This final is bit of a damp squib, my shackles are not aroused.

I've always suspected that you were an inmate, somewhere... but what about your hackles?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: naka on July 05, 2017, 10:07:45 PM
Personally think Mc quillan is awful
One of the most self opinionated refs I ever saw
But as you say apples and oranges
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: stew on July 08, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
Personally think Mc quillan is awful
One of the most self opinionated refs I ever saw
But as you say apples and oranges

I have always liked Tyrone, best of luck to the red hand lads on Ulster final day.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Targetman on July 08, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
Tyrone pushing the boat out this weekend, squad all spending the night in Mullingar, must of been down supporting Armagh
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ardtole on July 08, 2017, 10:28:28 PM
Any Dublin based Down/Tyrone supporters looking a bus to Clones for the Ulster final can pm me. €28 return. 4 spaces left.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 08, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
Any Dublin based Down/Tyrone supporters looking a bus to Clones for the Ulster final can pm me. €28 return. 4 spaces left.

Will you have segregated seating?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ardtole on July 09, 2017, 01:26:35 PM
Any Dublin based Down/Tyrone supporters looking a bus to Clones for the Ulster final can pm me. €28 return. 4 spaces left.

Will you have segregated seating?
Hopefully it wont be needed, the Down lads are a bit outnumbered at the minute lol.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 10, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
Love Ulster Final week

Genuinely hope Down can make a game of it and can stay with us to at least half time. We need a bigger test before 1/4 finals.

MH genuinely has plenty of conundrums with team selection. Sean & Collie both had knocks so he may not take chances with them unless they are really needed (which really should not be the case)

Roll on Sunday evening......  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 10, 2017, 01:24:37 PM
Love Ulster Final week

Genuinely hope Down can make a game of it and can stay with us to at least half time. We need a bigger test before 1/4 finals.

MH genuinely has plenty of conundrums with team selection. Sean & Collie both had knocks so he may not take chances with them unless they are really needed (which really should not be the case)

Roll on Sunday evening......  ;D

I have visions of Down people quoting this post at 4pm on Sunday!!

Does Donegal's performance against Longford, and a lesser extent Meath, throw a different light on our semi final win. I think we will beat Down by 3-4 on Sunday but still not clear where we stand in relation to the top two of Kerry/Dublin.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 10, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
Love Ulster Final week

Genuinely hope Down can make a game of it and can stay with us to at least half time. We need a bigger test before 1/4 finals.

MH genuinely has plenty of conundrums with team selection. Sean & Collie both had knocks so he may not take chances with them unless they are really needed (which really should not be the case)

Roll on Sunday evening......  ;D

I have visions of Down people quoting this post at 4pm on Sunday!!

Does Donegal's performance against Longford, and a lesser extent Meath, throw a different light on our semi final win. I think we will beat Down by 3-4 on Sunday but still not clear where we stand in relation to the top two of Kerry/Dublin.

I very much doubt the OG. :P

That is the big concern - where do we really stand. However same can be said of Mayo. Are Derry that good or were Mayo that bad?

All if's & but's however I do know we could do with a tough game before the business end comes calling
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 10, 2017, 01:42:31 PM
Love Ulster Final week

Genuinely hope Down can make a game of it and can stay with us to at least half time. We need a bigger test before 1/4 finals.

MH genuinely has plenty of conundrums with team selection. Sean & Collie both had knocks so he may not take chances with them unless they are really needed (which really should not be the case)

Roll on Sunday evening......  ;D

You are obviously a wind up trying to say down have no chance at every opportunity. They drew with us 2 or 3 years ago and beat us after a replay in 08 when we were all Ireland champions. They beat a very decent Monaghan team the last day out and will take a lot of confidence from it.

Down lads very quiet ahead of the game on here. Thought there'd be more talk from them.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: lfdown2 on July 10, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
Love Ulster Final week

Genuinely hope Down can make a game of it and can stay with us to at least half time. We need a bigger test before 1/4 finals.

MH genuinely has plenty of conundrums with team selection. Sean & Collie both had knocks so he may not take chances with them unless they are really needed (which really should not be the case)

Roll on Sunday evening......  ;D

You are obviously a wind up trying to say down have no chance at every opportunity. They drew with us 2 or 3 years ago and beat us after a replay in 08 when we were all Ireland champions. They beat a very decent Monaghan team the last day out and will take a lot of confidence from it.

Down lads very quiet ahead of the game on here. Thought there'd be more talk from them.

sure we're only going for the spin
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aristo 60 on July 10, 2017, 02:05:49 PM
Just call me Kevin Keegan!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 10, 2017, 02:19:41 PM
Love Ulster Final week

Genuinely hope Down can make a game of it and can stay with us to at least half time. We need a bigger test before 1/4 finals.

MH genuinely has plenty of conundrums with team selection. Sean & Collie both had knocks so he may not take chances with them unless they are really needed (which really should not be the case)

Roll on Sunday evening......  ;D

You are obviously a wind up trying to say down have no chance at every opportunity. They drew with us 2 or 3 years ago and beat us after a replay in 08 when we were all Ireland champions. They beat a very decent Monaghan team the last day out and will take a lot of confidence from it.

Down lads very quiet ahead of the game on here. Thought there'd be more talk from them.

So because I dont think Down have a chance I am a wind up?  :o

Right so
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 10, 2017, 02:30:39 PM
If Tyrone's attitude is right I'd fully expect us to win as we have much more proven quality than Down.

In saying that, I've been surprised and impressed with Down so far, they look an extremely well drilled and coached side. They have lots of pace and energy in that side and possess some players of great quality in the likes of McKernan, Mooney and O'Hanlon. They have a lot of new players I wouldn't be too familiar with Harrison, Millar and Donnelly have really impressed me so far this year.

I'd expect Tyrone to win by 4 or 5 but if they're not at Down have the ability to win this one.

Eamonn Burns has done a remarkable job this year. Over the last couple of years, Down have been at the lowest point I can remember them being at and he would shipped quite a lot of criticism for it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 10, 2017, 02:37:34 PM
If Tyrone's attitude is right I'd fully expect us to win as we have much more proven quality than Down.

In saying that, I've been surprised and impressed with Down so far, they look an extremely well drilled and coached side. They have lots of pace and energy in that side and possess some players of great quality in the likes of McKernan, Mooney and O'Hanlon. They have a lot of new players I wouldn't be too familiar with Harrison, Millar and Donnelly have really impressed me so far this year.

I'd expect Tyrone to win by 4 or 5 but if they're not at Down have the ability to win this one.

Eamonn Burns has done a remarkable job this year. Over the last couple of years, Down have been at the lowest point I can remember them being at and he would shipped quite a lot of criticism for it.

That OHanlon lad reminds me a bit of Ricey. Gets under the skin of opposing players but a great talent.

Does Burns have much previous managerial experience?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: The Trap on July 10, 2017, 03:20:23 PM
Down people seem to be getting more and more confident as the game approaches. Buoyed by the performances of Roscommon v Galway and Derry v Mayo, plus the teams they have already defeated Armagh and Monaghan making progress in the qualifiers they have reason to be confident. I am sure the Kilcoo contingent will be saying that they don't fear any Tyrone clubs and Down have beaten Tyrone before when they were not expected to.

This could be close......
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Dire Ear on July 10, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
Think CCav could be on the subs with McClure or McNulty given a chance to impress.  Also wouldn't be surprised to see the younger Brennan being let loose.  Tyrone to win by 4 !!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: skeog on July 10, 2017, 05:21:22 PM
are you for real Colm in the subs have you been watching football recently.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 10, 2017, 05:45:53 PM
are you for real Colm in the subs have you been watching football recently.


He'll be doing his usual job and trying to make sure Harrison doesn't get on the ball.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Dire Ear on July 10, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
are you for real Colm in the subs have you been watching football recently.
Am fully aware of his displays, but with even a slight injury; he might be saved..only an idea
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ziggysego on July 10, 2017, 09:56:38 PM
I'm always wary of Down. They are the sleeping giants of Ulster and every now-a-again they awake and shock everyone. In recent years, they have been unfortunate enough not to have won Ulster. I still fully expect Tyrone to win this game on Sunday, but they will have to be at their best to do so. No second best performance will get pass Down on Sunday. That been said, Down's time has to come and they are looking good this year and had some big scalps this year already. We could be the next one.

Still, of all the teams to go out to, Down is one I'd be happy to concede to. (I've just had a few whiskeys in me to kill the scoliosis pain and hayfever, so I may be dodally!) I can't handle the drink since I started Vimizim in November. Though some might argue I could never handle the drink.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: southtyronegael on July 10, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
saved for what? a round 4 qualifier? cause thats where we will be if we dont put our best team out and play to our potential.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on July 10, 2017, 10:23:03 PM
Tyrone would want to be beating that Down team at a light gallop, if they've any serious ambitions at all this year.
If they don't win this, Harte is smoked, and rightly so.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: bennydorano on July 10, 2017, 10:27:28 PM
Tyrone by 5+
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: snoopdog on July 10, 2017, 10:53:01 PM
Us Down boys are only going for the big day out. Sure We couldn't be beating Tyrone. A team that have been on the road for a few years and believe they are all ireland contenders. If we just stay close we will be happy.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 10, 2017, 11:32:59 PM
Us Down boys are only going for the big day out. Sure We couldn't be beating Tyrone. A team that have been on the road for a few years and believe they are all ireland contenders. If we just stay close we will be happy.

+1

And hope Tipp beat Armagh in the qualifiers so we don't have to play them again.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: SHEEDY on July 10, 2017, 11:37:43 PM
Us Down boys are only going for the big day out. Sure We couldn't be beating Tyrone. A team that have been on the road for a few years and believe they are all ireland contenders. If we just stay close we will be happy.
exactly!! We can't believe we are even in the final, just being there is an achievement. We'll have a day out and see what happens, hopefully we can stay keep it tight for a while but that wont be easy against one of the top teams in the country.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 11, 2017, 12:18:44 AM
This attempted cute hoorism is laughable, one can sense the eager and gleeful c**k-surety simmering behind these posts 

I will be happy for it all to be crushed and trampled into the Clones muck!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: rrhf on July 11, 2017, 12:37:14 AM
Tyrone need to be very careful here. From what I'm hearing from Down they have no pressure on them and are brimming full of confidence. They showed against Monaghan how aggressive they can be and that was something was missing from their game. Don't rule out the draw in a cracker.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: under the bar on July 11, 2017, 12:39:32 AM
Tyrone need to be very careful here. From what I'm hearing from Down they have no pressure on them and are brimming full of confidence. They showed against Monaghan how aggressive they can be and that was something was missing from their game. Don't rule out the draw in a cracker.

And don't rule out the cracker in the draw.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ose 14 on July 11, 2017, 07:27:20 AM
word is that big colm will play but again this is a risk as his game is all about mobility. he was shocking in last years all ireland quarter final after not having trained for 2 weeks previous so i dont expect much difference this time. harte will still play him though as tyrones defensive structure depends on him. would like to see mcclure play for experience alone. down will bring loads of aggression and pace to this game and i think they will set up like donegal 2016 and hit tyrone on the break. tyrone may not have the kicking day they had the last day and therefore i make this a 2 point game either way with tyrone favs for the win. but this will be close.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 11, 2017, 08:03:18 AM
Down's physicality and aggression will likely win the day. And that style of football could beat anyone, maybe it's the new template all other counties will want to replicate.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 08:11:18 AM
Tyrone would want to be beating that Down team at a light gallop, if they've any serious ambitions at all this year.
If they don't win this, Harte is smoked, and rightly so.

While I wouldnt like to see MH go I have to agree with you here.

We are 3rd favourites for the AI and rightly so. Down are 50/1.

Down can come with all the cute hoorism they want - we should be beating this team comfortably
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Dire Ear on July 11, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
saved for what? a round 4 qualifier? cause thats where we will be if we dont put our best team out and play to our potential.
Saved from making an injury worse, I don't under estimate anyone.  Just think that Tyrone are better than Down
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 09:22:59 AM
This attempted cute hoorism is laughable, one can sense the eager and gleeful c**k-surety simmering behind these posts 

I will be happy for it all to be crushed and trampled into the Clones muck!

Down fans started the year without a win in 2 years and back to back defeats to Fermanagh and Clare. The aim was to stay up and beat Armagh. Anything else is now a bonus and we're just hoping for a sunny day and a good match for a nice day out.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 11, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
It'll be over at half time.

Tyrone 2-22
Down 0-7
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 11, 2017, 09:42:52 AM
This attempted cute hoorism is laughable, one can sense the eager and gleeful c**k-surety simmering behind these posts 

I will be happy for it all to be crushed and trampled into the Clones muck!

Down fans started the year without a win in 2 years and back to back defeats to Fermanagh and Clare. The aim was to stay up and beat Armagh. Anything else is now a bonus and we're just hoping for a sunny day and a good match for a nice day out.

Thats good - I wouldnt want you to be disappointed
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Paulmccloskey on July 11, 2017, 10:53:38 AM
hi is there any spaces left on bus to clones looking two seat one for me and one for my son thanks
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: redhandofgod on July 11, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
Tyrone by a bag full, down are shite. Very few of their players would make the Tyrone squad. Massive gulf in class.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 11, 2017, 02:23:42 PM
Mickey Harte is a 3 time AI winning manager and is widely considered one of the best managers in gaelic football history. He has claimed the following:

“The mark is there, so it be as it is, but I’m telling you for sure that I have never once mentioned the mark to our players,"

I find it unbelievable that a man as meticulous as Harte has never once mentioned the mark to his players. If he hasn't then it is extremely poor coaching for a Tyrone set up to not tailor their gameplan to utilise the rule. If he has mentioned it then he is flat out lying about it. 
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: grounded on July 11, 2017, 02:29:16 PM
Just had a quick look at the teams when they met in 2014 in that drawn game in Omagh and on their last outings. The spine of the Tyrone team is pretty much the same as in 2014 albeit with a few more miles on the clock. The Down team on the other hand apart from McKernan, McGinn and Turley are pretty much a new team.


2017 vs Donegal
Tyrone: N Morgan; A McCrory, R McNamee, P Hampsey; T McCann, C McCarron, P Harte; C Cavanagh, C McCann; K McGeary, N Sludden, R Brennan; M Bradley, S Cavanagh, M Donnelly

2014 vs Down
Tyrone team: Niall Morgan; Aidan McCrory, Danny McBride, Barry Tierney; Tiernan McCann, Matthew Donnelly, Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Conor Clarke; Patrick McNeice, Sean Cavanagh, Ciaran McGinley; Darren McCurry, Niall McKenna, Kyle Coney.

2014 vs Tyrone
Down team: Brendan McVeigh; Daniel McCartan, Brendan McArdle, Ryan Boyle; Declan Rooney, Aidan Carr, Conor Garvey; Peter Turley, Ambrose Rogers; Conor Maginn, Mark Poland, Kevin McKernan; Donal O'Hare, Niall Madine, Brendan Coulter.

2017 vs Monaghan
Down team: Michael Cunningham; Niall McParland, Gerard McGovern, Darren O'Hagan; Darragh O'Hanlon, Conaill McGovern, Caolan Mooney; Kevin McKernan, Niall Donnelly; Peter Turley, Conor Maginn, Shay Millar; Jerome Johnston, Connaire Harrison,[/b]Ryan Johnston
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 11, 2017, 03:10:41 PM
I find it hard to believe that there are still lads who believe every word that he says, same as Jim Gavin.
Do you really think they will discuss openly all their views and tactics?

It doesn't sit well with me how much the Tyrone fans seem to think this will be a walkover. Whilst you would expect a Div 1 team to be too much, Down are one of those teams who don't show any respect for anyone as Kerry have found out several times.
I'd say all the anti Tyrone crew will love reading some of the OTT posts on here.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2017, 03:13:50 PM
Lots of Tyrone boys very confident.

How do Down posters think their midfield will get on? I don't know a whole pile about them. Against Donegal we, surprisingly, wiped them out in the centre of the park. Down have to go well here to put it up to us.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 11, 2017, 03:54:49 PM
I think our overall game benefited hugely the last day because we mainly kicked it long. Whether this was due to Donegal pushing up or not I still can't decide.
I would imagine if Down sit back we will kick it short again and work it up the field.
Down will probably be right in our faces from the off and hope to get off to a good start like Roscommon did against Galway.

I'd much rather see a good tough challenge and them aak questiona of us than an easy win all over by HT
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 11, 2017, 04:50:33 PM
I think our overall game benefited hugely the last day because we mainly kicked it long. Whether this was due to Donegal pushing up or not I still can't decide.
I would imagine if Down sit back we will kick it short again and work it up the field.
Down will probably be right in our faces from the off and hope to get off to a good start like Roscommon did against Galway.

I'd much rather see a good tough challenge and them aak questiona of us than an easy win all over by HT

We've been kicking it long all year. In the league this change of tactic was pretty obvious so I wasn't surprised to see it in the championship at all, unlike professional pundits like that clown from Derry.

It didn't work in the league particularly well, but the intention was clear rotating Sean and Mattie up there and even playing the two together. I just wonder was Mickey being a wee bit clever in the league holding back so that he could give it the full impact in the championship.


I don't think this will be an easy win at all. Down will fight for every ball and if they can put up a similar performance to that against Monaghan we'll have to be at our very best to beat them. I still think Tyrone will win by a couple but it won't be a whitewash like some seem to think.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: southtyronegael on July 11, 2017, 08:33:32 PM
Mickey Harte is a 3 time AI winning manager and is widely considered one of the best managers in gaelic football history. He has claimed the following:

“The mark is there, so it be as it is, but I’m telling you for sure that I have never once mentioned the mark to our players,"

I find it unbelievable that a man as meticulous as Harte has never once mentioned the mark to his players. If he hasn't then it is extremely poor coaching for a Tyrone set up to not tailor their gameplan to utilise the rule. If he has mentioned it then he is flat out lying about it.
i would take anything that harte says with a pinch of salt at this stage. if someone puts a microphone in front of him he just goes off on one talking pure shite and making no sense. anything to get himself a bit of publicity.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 11, 2017, 08:40:09 PM
Mickey Harte is a 3 time AI winning manager and is widely considered one of the best managers in gaelic football history. He has claimed the following:

“The mark is there, so it be as it is, but I’m telling you for sure that I have never once mentioned the mark to our players,"

I find it unbelievable that a man as meticulous as Harte has never once mentioned the mark to his players. If he hasn't then it is extremely poor coaching for a Tyrone set up to not tailor their gameplan to utilise the rule. If he has mentioned it then he is flat out lying about it.
i would take anything that harte says with a pinch of salt at this stage. if someone puts a microphone in front of him he just goes off on one talking pure shite and making no sense. anything to get himself a bit of publicity.

Takes one sh*te talker to know another one I suppose.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Mickey Harte is a 3 time AI winning manager and is widely considered one of the best managers in gaelic football history. He has claimed the following:

“The mark is there, so it be as it is, but I’m telling you for sure that I have never once mentioned the mark to our players,"

I find it unbelievable that a man as meticulous as Harte has never once mentioned the mark to his players. If he hasn't then it is extremely poor coaching for a Tyrone set up to not tailor their gameplan to utilise the rule. If he has mentioned it then he is flat out lying about it.
i would take anything that harte says with a pinch of salt at this stage. if someone puts a microphone in front of him he just goes off on one talking pure shite and making no sense. anything to get himself a bit of publicity.

You really are one pathetic aul bollix.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 11, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
Mickey Harte is a 3 time AI winning manager and is widely considered one of the best managers in gaelic football history. He has claimed the following:

“The mark is there, so it be as it is, but I’m telling you for sure that I have never once mentioned the mark to our players,"

I find it unbelievable that a man as meticulous as Harte has never once mentioned the mark to his players. If he hasn't then it is extremely poor coaching for a Tyrone set up to not tailor their gameplan to utilise the rule. If he has mentioned it then he is flat out lying about it.
i would take anything that harte says with a pinch of salt at this stage. if someone puts a microphone in front of him he just goes off on one talking pure shite and making no sense. anything to get himself a bit of publicity.

Do you still think harte should be sacked and replaced with Mattie mcgleenan?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: southtyronegael on July 11, 2017, 10:39:43 PM
not fussed who he is replaced with
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 12, 2017, 08:58:20 AM
not fussed who he is replaced with

That's a change from earlier in the year when it was all about McGleenan. But you're right Harte has a poor managerial record, anyone could have won what he did in the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: southtyronegael on July 12, 2017, 09:34:30 AM
Your right anyone could have delivered what we won in last 6 years. 1 ulster and 6 mc Kenna cups. Yipee. Ah well at least the football was exciting to watch.lol
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 12, 2017, 10:03:19 AM
Your right anyone could have delivered what we won in last 6 years. 1 ulster and 6 mc Kenna cups. Yipee. Ah well at least the football was exciting to watch.lol

Yes - and anyone could have delivered the 3 AI's we got during his tenure considering the amount we won prior to MH taking over
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: PAULD123 on July 12, 2017, 10:15:40 AM
If Down can produce  a similar performance to the Monaghan game then we will be close. I think that is a fair statement. We would be close enough to have a chance to take the game if we get the breaks. That performance was easily good enough to live with Tyrone.

The key question is IF?

Down produced a great display which proves only that they have the talent to do that. It does not prove that they can do it regularly. That is what makes Tyrone a better team. The fact that consistently Tyrone reach that level again and again. I deeply believe that man for man Down and Tyrone are very close in talent (S. Cavanagh is an exception)

Even with the same display as the Monaghan game we won't have any confidence of winning, just that we will be at least close enough to have a better than fair chance.

But we could easily revert to early season form and take a whupping. This is well possible.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: lenny on July 12, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
If Down can produce  a similar performance to the Monaghan game then we will be close. I think that is a fair statement. We would be close enough to have a chance to take the game if we get the breaks. That performance was easily good enough to live with Tyrone.

The key question is IF?

Down produced a great display which proves only that they have the talent to do that. It does not prove that they can do it regularly. That is what makes Tyrone a better team. The fact that consistently Tyrone reach that level again and again. I deeply believe that man for man Down and Tyrone are very close in talent (S. Cavanagh is an exception)

Even with the same display as the Monaghan game we won't have any confidence of winning, just that we will be at least close enough to have a better than fair chance.

But we could easily revert to early season form and take a whupping. This is well possible.

Drew wylie had a complete off day v down and that was probably because he was involved in a car crash on the way to the game. If he had been himself monaghan would've won that game comfortably. Tyrone will win this by 10 points plus. Down will be hungry and motivated but at the end of the day they don't have the quality.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 12, 2017, 10:23:24 AM
If Down can produce  a similar performance to the Monaghan game then we will be close. I think that is a fair statement. We would be close enough to have a chance to take the game if we get the breaks. That performance was easily good enough to live with Tyrone.

The key question is IF?

Down produced a great display which proves only that they have the talent to do that. It does not prove that they can do it regularly. That is what makes Tyrone a better team. The fact that consistently Tyrone reach that level again and again. I deeply believe that man for man Down and Tyrone are very close in talent (S. Cavanagh is an exception)

Even with the same display as the Monaghan game we won't have any confidence of winning, just that we will be at least close enough to have a better than fair chance.

But we could easily revert to early season form and take a whupping. This is well possible.

Are you being serious? :o
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 12, 2017, 10:38:41 AM
This Down side is seriously lacking in quality and man for man isn't close to the Tyrone team. If they were anyway decent, the run from the past few years wouldn't have happened
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 12, 2017, 10:45:43 AM
Your right anyone could have delivered what we won in last 6 years. 1 ulster and 6 mc Kenna cups. Yipee. Ah well at least the football was exciting to watch.lol

But what if they win on Sunday and do back to back ulsters for only the 4th or so time in history for a Tyrone team. Would that not be a decent achievement? And you also ignored the fact that Tyrone reached the All Ireland semi final twice in the last 6 years.

Also the man you want to replace him with won two games all year and suffered a very poor championship exit. What makes you think he'd do better?

There could off course be a fair chance that you don't have a clue yourself. After all you did tip Derry to beat Tyrone in the first round.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 12, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
This Down side is seriously lacking in quality and man for man isn't close to the Tyrone team. If they were anyway decent, the run from the past few years wouldn't have happened

While I think Tyrone have better men, a team can improve if new management organises them properly, as Donegal 2011 shows very clearly.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2017, 10:56:19 AM
Down midfield cudnt catch a cold.

Harrison won't get a sniff and be subbed off after 25 mins.

That Johnston lad will be turned over 10 times in the first 10 mins. Can't remember the names of any other Down player. Don't even know if those I mentioned are correct. Mickey to empty the bench at HT.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 12, 2017, 11:00:02 AM
Down midfield cudnt catch a cold.

Harrison won't get a sniff and be subbed off after 25 mins.

That Johnston lad
will be turned over 10 times in the first 10 mins. Can't remember the names of any other Down player. Don't even know if those I mentioned are correct. Mickey to empty the bench at HT.

The big question is, which one?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2017, 11:02:54 AM
The bastketbally one. Thin lad, holds on to it too long.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 12, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
The bastketbally one. Thin lad, holds on to it too long.

That doesn't really narrow it down too much for me, but I suppose you're talking about Ryan.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 12, 2017, 11:06:18 AM
It'll be interesting to see what the referee lets Down away with this weekend. They were lucky enough the last day and got away with a few late hits. I can see Bradley being targeted early. Hoping Tyrone push up on the kickouts again. With the 2 Cavanaghs Donnelly and McCann around that area we should be more than capable of competing. Big day for Conall McCann on Sunday. He did really well against Derry but was quieter the last day.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2017, 11:29:36 AM
Some crowd heading in from Monaghan town way, and getting away too. Prepare for big delays.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 12, 2017, 11:41:11 AM
Some crowd heading in from Monaghan town way, and getting away too. Prepare for big delays.

Hard to bate heading over fivemiletown mountain and down through Aughadrumsee. Takes you right up to the ground. Get a sneaky pint and a burger after the game and you've feck all traffic. You even get to stop off at Sean South's memorial and say a wee prayer.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2017, 11:58:26 AM
It'll be interesting to see what the referee lets Down away with this weekend. They were lucky enough the last day and got away with a few late hits. I can see Bradley being targeted early. Hoping Tyrone push up on the kickouts again. With the 2 Cavanaghs Donnelly and McCann around that area we should be more than capable of competing. Big day for Conall McCann on Sunday. He did really well against Derry but was quieter the last day.
That's rich considering Tyrone are the most cynical dirty team in the game. The black card was invented because of you boys.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 12, 2017, 12:04:03 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the referee lets Down away with this weekend. They were lucky enough the last day and got away with a few late hits. I can see Bradley being targeted early. Hoping Tyrone push up on the kickouts again. With the 2 Cavanaghs Donnelly and McCann around that area we should be more than capable of competing. Big day for Conall McCann on Sunday. He did really well against Derry but was quieter the last day.

As long as he punishes 'tackles' like dropping the knees into someone on the ground we will be happy enough
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 12, 2017, 12:04:30 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the referee lets Down away with this weekend. They were lucky enough the last day and got away with a few late hits. I can see Bradley being targeted early. Hoping Tyrone push up on the kickouts again. With the 2 Cavanaghs Donnelly and McCann around that area we should be more than capable of competing. Big day for Conall McCann on Sunday. He did really well against Derry but was quieter the last day.
That's rich considering Tyrone are the most cynical dirty team in the game. The black card was invented because of you boys.

How so?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 12, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the referee lets Down away with this weekend. They were lucky enough the last day and got away with a few late hits. I can see Bradley being targeted early. Hoping Tyrone push up on the kickouts again. With the 2 Cavanaghs Donnelly and McCann around that area we should be more than capable of competing. Big day for Conall McCann on Sunday. He did really well against Derry but was quieter the last day.
That's rich considering Tyrone are the most cynical dirty team in the game. The black card was invented because of you boys.

I'd say you will find very little facts to back that up. One of the least cynical best tackling teams in the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 12, 2017, 01:21:39 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the referee lets Down away with this weekend. They were lucky enough the last day and got away with a few late hits. I can see Bradley being targeted early. Hoping Tyrone push up on the kickouts again. With the 2 Cavanaghs Donnelly and McCann around that area we should be more than capable of competing. Big day for Conall McCann on Sunday. He did really well against Derry but was quieter the last day.
That's rich considering Tyrone are the most cynical dirty team in the game. The black card was invented because of you boys.

I think you'll fine that what you have said is a common misconception - Black card was already introduced before Big Sean done what any other right minded player would have done to McManus!!!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 12, 2017, 01:34:00 PM
Whilst starting to think about this new Down tactic of being a dirty shower - I wondered out of the Tyrone team who are the lads I would count on to mix with it - open to correction (more than I thought actually)

1 – Niall Morgan – Just a keeper prob not but is a bit crazy
2 – Aidan McCrory – Don't think so
3 – Ronan McNamee – Most definitely
4 – Pádraig Hampsey – Capable I'd say
5 – Tiernan McCann – No way - wouldn't wanna spoil that tan
6 – Rory Brennan – unsure - prob not
7 – Peter Harte – not in his nature
8 – Colm Cavanagh – most definitely
9 – Conall McCann  –possibly
10 – Kieran McGeary – unsure
11 – Niall Sludden – most definitely
12 – Conor Meyler – prob not but he is ginger
13 – Mark Bradley – no way
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – doesn't get involved
15 – Matthew Donnelly – probably - bit like ivan drago
20 - Cathal McCarron - Most definitely
22 - Darren McCurry - not a chance - no interest in boxing just interested in not passing
25 - David Mulgrew - Young but looks like he could get involved
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 12, 2017, 01:36:52 PM
The Cavanaghs are too busy falling over at the slightest sign of contact to 'mix it' like those dirty Down hallions.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 12, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
Whilst starting to think about this new Down tactic of being a dirty shower - I wondered out of the Tyrone team who are the lads I would count on to mix with it - open to correction (more than I thought actually)

1 – Niall Morgan – Just a keeper prob not but is a bit crazy
2 – Aidan McCrory – Don't think so
3 – Ronan McNamee – Most definitely
4 – Pádraig Hampsey – Capable I'd say
5 – Tiernan McCann – No way - wouldn't wanna spoil that tan
6 – Rory Brennan – unsure - prob not
7 – Peter Harte – not in his nature
8 – Colm Cavanagh – most definitely
9 – Conall McCann  –possibly
10 – Kieran McGeary – unsure
11 – Niall Sludden – most definitely
12 – Conor Meyler – prob not but he is ginger
13 – Mark Bradley – no way
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – doesn't get involved
15 – Matthew Donnelly – probably - bit like ivan drago
20 - Cathal McCarron - Most definitely
22 - Darren McCurry - not a chance - no interest in boxing just interested in not passing
25 - David Mulgrew - Young but looks like he could get involved

Hampsey is obviously the lad youd want getting stuck in if a row broke out but the problem with boxers is that they can be too disciplined for that crack.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 12, 2017, 04:42:23 PM
The bastketbally one. Thin lad, holds on to it too long.

For me he typifies Down's cockiness and must be crushed
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 12, 2017, 05:24:09 PM
When did down become a dirty team??  I must have missed that one.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 12, 2017, 05:29:25 PM
When did down become a dirty team??  I must have missed that one.

They skated close to the edge and over it a few times against Monaghan, but nothing I'd be giving out too much about. Monaghan dish out enough themselves to be deserving of getting it back when it happens.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 12, 2017, 05:32:04 PM
Exactly... As do tyrone!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 12, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
When did down become a dirty team??  I must have missed that one.

First I mind of it was 91 when they outdirtied the dirtiest team in history and even managed to cripple poor ole Mick Lyons

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 12, 2017, 05:42:19 PM
Exactly... As do tyrone!

The person who said they were dirty was a down man being sarcastic. A tyrone man was saying they got a away with a few late hits and asked how the ref would view those. I'd hardly say there was too much wrong with that.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 12, 2017, 06:03:36 PM
It was actually a tyrone man if you read back.

Anyway not many clean teams in the latter stages of the championship.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2017, 08:12:27 PM
It was actually a tyrone man if you read back.

Anyway not many clean teams in the latter stages of the championship.
The only reason Armagh are still there. That we can agree on.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: The Trap on July 12, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
I see Dublin and Kildare fans are planning a minutes applause in the 6th minute in memory of Bradley Lowery and to raise awareness for sick children in Ireland too. Could we get this going at the ulster final too?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 12, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
I see Dublin and Kildare fans are planning a minutes applause in the 6th minute in memory of Bradley Lowery and to raise awareness for sick children in Ireland too. Could we get this going at the ulster final too?
How about you watch the game and cheer your team on rather than engage in this virtue signalling nonsense?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 12, 2017, 09:44:24 PM
I see Dublin and Kildare fans are planning a minutes applause in the 6th minute in memory of Bradley Lowery and to raise awareness for sick children in Ireland too. Could we get this going at the ulster final too?
How about you watch the game and cheer your team on rather than engage in this virtue signalling nonsense?

Harsh that!!!! If it helps to raise money & awareness  down the line for children's charities why not?? Children are the life blood of us all, need and deserve everything they can get.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 12, 2017, 10:06:51 PM
I see Dublin and Kildare fans are planning a minutes applause in the 6th minute in memory of Bradley Lowery and to raise awareness for sick children in Ireland too. Could we get this going at the ulster final too?
How about you watch the game and cheer your team on rather than engage in this virtue signalling nonsense?

Get a life FFS  ::)
If it raises awareness for one sick child or a few extra quid then it's well worth it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: The Trap on July 12, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Would hardly do any harm and might actually add to the atmosphere.......
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 12, 2017, 11:43:28 PM
I have to agree that it's nonsense. Leave that to the soccer lads. The GAA has it's hallowed minutes silence before every game for anything up to the next door neighbour's aunt of some guy who used to play Jr B for his club. Leave the cheering in the game for the actual stuff on the field.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 12, 2017, 11:51:27 PM
I have to agree that it's nonsense. Leave that to the soccer lads. The GAA has it's hallowed minutes silence before every game for anything up to the next door neighbour's aunt of some guy who used to play Jr B for his club. Leave the cheering in the game for the actual stuff on the field.
+1
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sensethetone on July 13, 2017, 08:00:55 AM
Some crowd heading in from Monaghan town way, and getting away too. Prepare for big delays.

Hard to bate heading over fivemiletown mountain and down through Aughadrumsee. Takes you right up to the ground. Get a sneaky pint and a burger after the game and you've feck all traffic. You even get to stop off at Sean South's memorial and say a wee prayer.

I've been using that road since '96, last year for the Ulster final was a disaster, queued from about 2miles outside Fivemiletown to Clones. Stayed about Clones for a few hours after the match and still queued most of the way back to fivemiletown.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 13, 2017, 08:38:13 AM
I have to agree that it's nonsense. Leave that to the soccer lads. The GAA has it's hallowed minutes silence before every game for anything up to the next door neighbour's aunt of some guy who used to play Jr B for his club. Leave the cheering in the game for the actual stuff on the field.
+1

Agreed! I be in shock if there's not a minutes silence these days before a match.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on July 13, 2017, 08:48:42 AM
I have to agree that it's nonsense. Leave that to the soccer lads. The GAA has it's hallowed minutes silence before every game for anything up to the next door neighbour's aunt of some guy who used to play Jr B for his club. Leave the cheering in the game for the actual stuff on the field.
+1

Agreed! I be in shock if there's not a minutes silence these days before a match.
;D In shock.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 13, 2017, 09:54:35 AM
I have to agree that it's nonsense. Leave that to the soccer lads. The GAA has it's hallowed minutes silence before every game for anything up to the next door neighbour's aunt of some guy who used to play Jr B for his club. Leave the cheering in the game for the actual stuff on the field.

The soccer lads have a minute silence as well - best stop that practice too then
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: The Trap on July 13, 2017, 09:58:27 AM
Some fellas don't have much respect.......there will be a minutes silence for a great Tyrone man on Sunday..Pat Darcy.....is that ok?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 13, 2017, 10:43:37 AM
Some crowd heading in from Monaghan town way, and getting away too. Prepare for big delays.

Hard to bate heading over fivemiletown mountain and down through Aughadrumsee. Takes you right up to the ground. Get a sneaky pint and a burger after the game and you've feck all traffic. You even get to stop off at Sean South's memorial and say a wee prayer.

I've been using that road since '96, last year for the Ulster final was a disaster, queued from about 2miles outside Fivemiletown to Clones. Stayed about Clones for a few hours after the match and still queued most of the way back to fivemiletown.

Must be those sneaky Donegal ones using our back roads! I missed Ulster final last year due to our many being born a few days before and going to miss it (in person) this year too as the wife got me tickets for Longitude at Christmas. Didn't realise until after the Donegal that the dates clashed. Will have to make do with a pub close to Marlay park.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: snoopdog on July 13, 2017, 11:12:37 AM
Some crowd heading in from Monaghan town way, and getting away too. Prepare for big delays.

Hard to bate heading over fivemiletown mountain and down through Aughadrumsee. Takes you right up to the ground. Get a sneaky pint and a burger after the game and you've feck all traffic. You even get to stop off at Sean South's memorial and say a wee prayer.

I've been using that road since '96, last year for the Ulster final was a disaster, queued from about 2miles outside Fivemiletown to Clones. Stayed about Clones for a few hours after the match and still queued most of the way back to fivemiletown.

Must be those sneaky Donegal ones using our back roads! I missed Ulster final last year due to our many being born a few days before and going to miss it (in person) this year too as the wife got me tickets for Longitude at Christmas. Didn't realise until after the Donegal that the dates clashed. Will have to make do with a pub close to Marlay park.
The Eden will have it on. Full of Sunday carvery but you should still see it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 13, 2017, 11:19:48 AM
Uncovered 'BO ROW F'

Covered 'JC ROW G'

I take it the row numbers in Gerry Arthur start at A and work higher. In other words row F is 6th from pitchside?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 13, 2017, 11:29:28 AM
Uncovered 'BO ROW F'

Covered 'JC ROW G'

I take it the row numbers in Gerry Arthur start at A and work higher. In other words row F is 6th from pitchside?

Yes uncovered BO row f would be 6 rows from the pitch. It would be the second section from the endline close to the o'duffy terrace.

The covered one's are obviously further back in the second half of the stand. They must start with A again for the covered section. I'm not sure you do but if I had the pick of the tickets I'd take the covered ones as further back will give a better view and think J is slightly more central than B.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 13, 2017, 01:43:25 PM
Uncovered 'BO ROW F'

Covered 'JC ROW G'

I take it the row numbers in Gerry Arthur start at A and work higher. In other words row F is 6th from pitchside?

Yes uncovered BO row f would be 6 rows from the pitch. It would be the second section from the endline close to the o'duffy terrace.

The covered one's are obviously further back in the second half of the stand. They must start with A again for the covered section. I'm not sure you do but if I had the pick of the tickets I'd take the covered ones as further back will give a better view and think J is slightly more central than B.

Thanks
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: SuperHo on July 13, 2017, 02:18:08 PM
going to miss it (in person) this year too as the wife got me tickets for Longitude at Christmas. Didn't realise until after the Donegal that the dates clashed. Will have to make do with a pub close to Marlay park


Sack the wife n get a new one???
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 13, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
Cheers snoopdog, might look into that. SuperHo, I'll take that suggestion on board, too. Could be a serious option!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 13, 2017, 03:28:32 PM
Some fellas don't have much respect.......there will be a minutes silence for a great Tyrone man on Sunday..Pat Darcy.....is that ok?

Not a case of not having respect. I have great time for the minutes silence and I always remain respectful during it. I just think that's enough without bringing in this stuff of clapping or going silent while the game is ongoing just because it's something the soccer crowd do.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 13, 2017, 06:21:01 PM
Can't help thinking back to the '03 drawn game. That was some entertainment. Can't remember the very end of it. Did Tyrone have a chance to sneak it?

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: longballin on July 13, 2017, 06:28:15 PM
Can't help thinking back to the '03 drawn game. That was some entertainment. Can't remember the very end of it. Did Tyrone have a chance to sneak it?

One of the most exciting games I was ever at and then Tyrone walked the second game. Cavlan in his prime then... you might be right about Tyrone get chance at the end
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Can't help thinking back to the '03 drawn game. That was some entertainment. Can't remember the very end of it. Did Tyrone have a chance to sneak it?

One of the most exciting games I was ever at and then Tyrone walked the second game. Cavlan in his prime then... you might be right about Tyrone get chance at the end
Ryan McMenamin had a chance to win it. Sliced it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 13, 2017, 06:48:28 PM
Can't help thinking back to the '03 drawn game. That was some entertainment. Can't remember the very end of it. Did Tyrone have a chance to sneak it?

One of the most exciting games I was ever at and then Tyrone walked the second game. Cavlan in his prime then... you might be right about Tyrone get chance at the end

And I think Down game into that Championship without a win in Ulster since 1999, although they were backboned by a maturing '99 minor side.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 13, 2017, 07:40:12 PM
I read the thread header as ...14 clones but I though tyrone had 15 players
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 13, 2017, 09:23:12 PM
Team named at 4pm tomorrow??
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 13, 2017, 09:32:28 PM
Team named at 4pm tomorrow??

Down team should be named tonight at the event in the Canal Court.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 13, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
Team named at 4pm tomorrow??

Mark of respect for Pat? His funeral is tomorrow morming.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 14, 2017, 06:40:35 AM
Team named at 4pm tomorrow??

Mark of respect for Pat? His funeral is tomorrow morming.

Must be, sad to hear the news, a Great man RIP.
Omagh or Drumragh?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 14, 2017, 10:21:50 AM
This thread is a bit disappointing considering it's only two days before the Ulster final of two of Ulster's most sucessful teams.

Do people see any changes in the expected teams? I wonder what role Hampsey will play this game? He seemed to be a handy man to have around the middle third and was another scoring outlet.
I'm not sure Conal McCann will start this one and will not be surprised to see McClure named.

Just wondering, are Down still unbeaten against Kerry in the championship or is that record gone now?
How many times have they met?

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: 5 Sams on July 14, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
This thread is a bit disappointing considering it's only two days before the Ulster final of two of Ulster's most sucessful teams.

Do people see any changes in the expected teams? I wonder what role Hampsey will play this game? He seemed to be a handy man to have around the middle third and was another scoring outlet.
I'm not sure Conal McCann will start this one and will not be surprised to see McClure named.

Just wondering, are Down still unbeaten against Kerry in the championship or is that record gone now?
How many times have they met?


Yes still unbeaten. They met in 1960 Final, 1961 semi final, 1968 final, 1991 semi final, 2010 quarter final
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sambostar on July 14, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
Yeah not much craic on here. Maybe it's because Tyrone are such strong favourites to win, might have been a different vibe if it was Monaghan they were up against. I remember 2003 final all too well though and chatting before it that there was no way you could see Tyrone losing - so won't underestimate Down again. But in truth Tyrone should be winning this pulling up - especially with the strength to come off the bench in the 2nd half. Down were hanging on by their fingernails in the last 20mins against Monaghan and that was after getting a soft enough goal from a penalty.

Anyway, always good to be in Clones on Ulster Final day, a few beverages, bit of football and plenty of banter to look forward to
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: PAULD123 on July 14, 2017, 10:47:38 AM
This Down side is seriously lacking in quality and man for man isn't close to the Tyrone team. If they were anyway decent, the run from the past few years wouldn't have happened

I don't agree.

Donegal got beat out the gate by Armagh in 2010 (2-14 to 0-11). Two years later they were All-Ireland champions and everyone was saying what great players they had. Of the team that was hammered by Armagh, 10 started the All-Ireland final and one came on as a sub. So 11 out of 15 players that were pilloried as rubbish just two years earlier were now champions. Also in 2012 Donegal won 8 All-stars and every single one of those guys started against Armagh in 2010.

So teams can have very good players and still get bad results. Down's plight may be due to bad players or may be due to bad application. I believe that it is he latter.

I deeply believe the individual talent is not that far apart. The application difference is enormous. Tyrone players play with a determination and focus that I can only admire. They have a belief that exemplifies what takes talent and makes it a winner.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 14, 2017, 10:56:58 AM
The bastketbally one. Thin lad, holds on to it too long.

For me he typifies Down's cockiness and must be crushed

Yes, and that Australian boy with the fancy boots and southern hemipshere gallop.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 14, 2017, 10:59:52 AM
How many Down players would get in Tyrone first 15?
Very few.

That shows the massive gulf between the teams.

Down caught Monaghan cold and beat an Armagh team who are 2nd/3rd worst in Ulster. We are at worst, the 3rd best team in Ireland.

Sunday will demonstrate the difference in class
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: redhandefender on July 14, 2017, 11:10:31 AM
Down have very good players in their first 15. As far as playing as a team and organisation they are way off! I am sure they will go at it but will eventually fall.

No while hype as there is a sense, dangerously or not, tyrone are looking on to one of the big 2 down the line.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 14, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
What kind of beasts are these Mourne men? A lot of talk about them having tails and apparently their tails are up.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 14, 2017, 11:45:21 AM
It's funny how much things have changed over the years. Usually if you had Down and Tyrone in an Ulster final (or any teams) the media would be picking out certain star players and focusing on them but here we are in 2017 and there is no real star player on either side. Even Sean Cavanagh doesn't really stand out any more and so it's all about the team and the sum of their parts and systems of play.

I remember back in the 90s going to games and there would always be excitement about seeing who would be picking up who and how teams would manage Canavan etc. There was always a nervous excitement when the other teams best player got the ball but nowadays you don't expect as much from one on one battles, or was I just younger back then.

I hope Petey has a good game on Sunday. Would be nice to score a goal or three.

Don't worry O'Neill. The Down players aren't that different to ourselves I think
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Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 14, 2017, 11:51:48 AM
Down have obviously improved and wouldn't be too disrespectful towards them. They've nothing to lose and if get a good start could cause plenty of problems. Tyrone have played at a higher level for years and if got ahead early could pull away.

I do think Tyrone will win by 4 plus but certainly wouldn't write down off. Some Tyrone supporters were writing off Mayo last year. In 08 against down they thought we only had to turn up too.

In terms of how many down men would make the Tyrone team it's hard to know. I'd imagine the likes of ohagan, Ohanlon, mooney, mckernan, magnin, Harrison (based on last day) and the better Johnston wouldn't be far away. They wouldnt  all start though.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 14, 2017, 02:44:41 PM
Down's win against Monaghan was built around the disruption that big Harrison was causing in the FF line. He didn't score heavily but any time the ball came near him it caused chaos in the defence. This tactic created a sense of panic that appeared to spread throughout the rest of the team. If I remember correctly Monaghan were absolutely horrendous in the first 20 mins and if they scored the majority of those chances the game would have been out of sight in all likelihood. In fact, Harrison had a quiet enough 1st quarter and Down's big move came in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. He went off towards the end and it was no surprise to see Down's charge falter and, tbh, they were lucky to win in the end as Monaghan's prolificacy in front of the posts came back to haunt them again. Harte will be all over this game and will have our players well scoped into the game plan and remove any complacency whatsoever.

The key things for Tyrone are:

- keeping Down quiet in the first quarter, aim to limit them to 3-5 points max. 

- Our high intensity game is an ever present, you can be guaranteed that the wall on our 45 will be solid. Down ran through Monaghan's defence surprisingly easy(Monaghan had a total off day in defence ) and they won't have faced anything like our defence this year. There's a huge gap in defensive intensity/organisation in Division 1/top division 2 teams and the rest.

- One of our biggest assets is closing down space in front of the oppositions FF line. It's very rare that we concede huge scores these days (Killarney in the league was an exception to this rule) and our gameplan is ideal to shut down a player like Harrison (cue Harrison scoring 1-07 on Sunday ;) )

- Pundits keep on labelling Tyrone's challenge as missing the key marquee player up front. However, I think this is a strength of ours at the minute. We have to cut our cloth to suit our resources and we simply don't have a strong ball winning, high scoring FF in our panel so it would be madness to play that game. We tried it with Sean and Mattie during the league but it didn't pay off at all. Our strength is multiple scoring threats coming from deep. From our starting 15 against Donegal I would be comfortable with any player from long range apart from maybe Cathal McCarron and Aiden McCrory. Plus our subs bench has lots to offer, too. Mark Bradley did serious work in the FF line against Donegal. He was playing right in front of me in Clones and he dragged his markers back and forth non-stop. This was one of the main reasons there was so much space for the HF and HB to steam through and take their points.

- Properly pushing up on McGinley's kick outs in the Donegal match created mayhem for them. We cleaned them out in midfield and I really hope this tactic continues on Sunday. Down's midfield don't strike me as huge fielders so this is an area we should really attempt to squeeze them on.

The worries from a tyrone perspective are:

- The form of Donegal since the SF leaves a serious question over our own performance. I rewatched the game during the week there and, funnily enough, James Horan raised this exact point on OTB last night. Donegal hardly laid a glove on our shooters. It is usually a mine field entering the scoring zone against Donegal but this pressure of defence was absent. I think that colours the quality of our performance and may gave us a false sense of perspective.

- Similarly, the last ten minutes of the Ulster final last year skewed people's views going into the QF against Mayo. All that was in people's head were Sean's efforts, Harte's wonder score and McGreary's great final point. What wasn't well analysed was our horrendous shooting in the 1st half (albeit into a strong wind that also effected Donegal in the 2nd half). This came back to haunt us big time in Croke park when we couldn't hit a barn door. Tyrone have a real propensity for Jekyll and Hyde performances in front of the posts and football is a simple game; ball doesn't go over enough, you lose the game.

All in all we are, rightly, comfortable favourites and should win with space to spare. I don't think it'll be an annihilation but should be Tyrone +3 to 5 points.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 14, 2017, 03:27:20 PM
Good summation omagh_gael. I would agree with most of that and would add also that have you noticed how they seem to alternate who plays in at FF. Often you'll see Peter Harte, Tiernan McCann, Hampsey or almost anyone make a run into that postion which means it's very hard to predict our attacks.
We're well used to hearing postions mean nothing any more but with Tyrone we take it to the extreme.
Hampsey the last day could have scored 1.01 whilst marking Donegal's best player.
McCrory almost got a goal against Derry.

I also agree that most teams are struggling to get their best players into the game with the swarm blanket defence and so if teams are relying on them for scores they can easily become toothless.
We have 17 different scorers in 2 games and the top scorers are

Sean 8 - 6 from frees
T.McCann 1.02
P.Harte 4 - 2 from frees
Sludden 4
Bradley 3
McGeary 3
McCurry 3

It will be interesting to see does Mickey start Mulgrew again. I think he realises that playing out and out corner forwards are a waste of time these days and that is why he doesn't usually play McCurry, RoNeill and Lee Brennan as they are too easily bottled up. Bradley is different as he is also small but is such a livewire and knows how to make intelligent runs and to make space for other players.
Also wonder will he start with Rory Brennan or is he now considered the 2nd half burst of speed injection the team needs each game.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 14, 2017, 03:34:58 PM
I was sitting beside a Trillick man in Clones against Donegal and he said Rory Brennan wouldn't start as he had picked up an injury during the week. I'd say he'll come into the starting team this weekend. My shot would be...

Morgan
McCarron
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Brennan
Harte
C Cavanagh
McCann (think he'll get one more shot at a start)
McGreary
Sludden
Mulgrew
Donnelly
S Cavanagh
Bradley
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 14, 2017, 04:05:16 PM
I was sitting beside a Trillick man in Clones against Donegal and he said Rory Brennan wouldn't start as he had picked up an injury during the week. I'd say he'll come into the starting team this weekend. My shot would be...

Morgan
McCarron
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Brennan
Harte
C Cavanagh
McCann (think he'll get one more shot at a start)
McGreary
Sludden
Mulgrew
Donnelly
S Cavanagh
Bradley

You left out Aidan McRory - Harte always starts him no matter what!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 14, 2017, 04:08:38 PM
Tír Eoghain v An Dún
Craobh na Sinsear
Ionad: Cluain Eois
16ú Iúil 2017 @ 2.00pm
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a’Ghuail – 22 (4)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a’Chaortainn 19 (5)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)
16 – Michael O’Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)
26 – Ronan O’Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)

The Tyrone team is unchanged from the side that started against Donegal in the USFC Semi Final. Richard Donnelly returns to the matchday squad for the first time in 2017.

WT4E, no surprise to see him start. Thought Harte would have squeezed Brennan in but the starting 15 more than justified a start in the final.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: thebar on July 14, 2017, 05:02:15 PM
The bastketbally one. Thin lad, holds on to it too long.

For me he typifies Down's cockiness and must be crushed

Yes, and that Australian boy with the fancy boots and southern hemipshere gallop.

lol lets here more about this fella?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 14, 2017, 06:00:35 PM
Looks like Hampsey, McGeary & Bradley have passed out Meyler, Rory Brennan and McShane to some extent in the U21 to senior race.

Good to see Richard Donnelly back in the squad. Another big strong player who can kick long range points.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Tyroneforsam on July 14, 2017, 07:01:25 PM
Tír Eoghain v An Dún
Craobh na Sinsear
Ionad: Cluain Eois
16ú Iúil 2017 @ 2.00pm
1 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – 61 (18)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – 97 (25)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – 64 (19)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – 99 (26)
5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 56 (15)
6 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a’Ghuail – 22 (4)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – 118 (39)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – 136 (50)
9 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair – 28 (6)
10 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó – 7 (2)
11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mór – 29 (7)
12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a’Chaortainn 19 (5)
13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 35 (14)
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – An Mhaigh 236 (86)
15 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac 92 (29)
16 – Michael O’Neill – Cluain Eo – 24 (5)
17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac – 13 (1)
18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – 28 (10)
19 – Michael Cassidy – Ard Bó – 1 (0)
20 – Richard Donnelly – Trí Leac – 15 (5)
21 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo – 11 (2)
22 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – 74 (27)
23 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – 109 (38)
24 – Cathal McShane – Eoghan Ruadh Uí Néill 28 (9)
25 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh – 23 (6)
26 – Ronan O’Neill – An Omaigh – 65 (15)

The Tyrone team is unchanged from the side that started against Donegal in the USFC Semi Final. Richard Donnelly returns to the matchday squad for the first time in 2017.

WT4E, no surprise to see him start. Thought Harte would have squeezed Brennan in but the starting 15 more than justified a start in the final.

Richie Donnelly looks to have replaced frank burns. From first sub against Derry to not making the match day squad is very disappointing for him.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: An Watcher on July 14, 2017, 09:20:05 PM
Folks, do you think there'll be tickets available in clones on Sunday?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 14, 2017, 09:45:56 PM
Folks, do you think there'll be tickets available in clones on Sunday?

Ulster council said there'll be none for sale on the day. Though I'm sure there'll be odd spare one floating about. There is still terrace tickets available in SuperValu etc up to tomorrow. The shops are listed on the Ulster gaa website I think.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sam03/05 on July 14, 2017, 10:27:52 PM
Nice to see Michael Cassidy on the bench - class footballer and was a star on the u21 All Ireland team.
Don't be surprised to see him at some stage this summer.
Not easy getting into that 26 man squad.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 14, 2017, 10:38:44 PM
Yea, was waiting to see what Cassidy has at senior level. How's he playing for the club?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 15, 2017, 04:33:35 AM
Right, we're only better than the Down lads from numbers 1-15, thereafter we really struggle! :P

Let her rip Tír Eoghain, and with a wee bit of luck... ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2017, 05:46:23 AM
It could be a great match. Ulster this year has had a few surprises.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 15, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
Looking forward to the game and in particular to how Tyrone approach it. I am a huge admirer of Mickey Harte as a man and manager, but I do feel that the style adopted for the rebuild of this new team has been too defensive. I accept we are going to get men back, but we haven't always committed enough to attack. The Donegal performance was excellent and looked like we had a far better balance. But was that in part because Donegal were very poor? Hope to see the team attack in a similar style tomorrow. Good luck to the lads.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2017, 12:10:33 PM
I hope McCarron is doing OK after all that happened. He went through hell. Mickey Harte's support and belief in him were  admirable. It would be film material if they won the all Ireland.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trileacman on July 15, 2017, 04:48:02 PM
I hope McCarron is doing OK after all that happened. He went through hell. Mickey Harte's support and belief in him were  admirable. It would be film material if they won the all Ireland.

Cathal McCarron has a film out already. I'd say you'd love it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trileacman on July 15, 2017, 04:51:04 PM
Is Peter Turley injured?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: SHEEDY on July 15, 2017, 04:59:04 PM
Is Peter Turley injured?
i'd be very surprised if turley doesn't start, probably in place of joe murphy.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: southtyronegael on July 15, 2017, 05:28:44 PM
I hope McCarron is doing OK after all that happened. He went through hell. Mickey Harte's support and belief in him were  admirable. It would be film material if they won the all Ireland.

Cathal McCarron has a film out already. I'd say you'd love it.
lol@fergus
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: grounded on July 15, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
I think most people are judging how good Tyrone are based on their performance vs Donegal and Derry . I dont rate Derry so the question is how good are Donegal?  Their qualifier performances have not set the world alight. Armagh and Monaghan have made their way through the qualifiers with some decent performances. So on balance Down have probably had the tougher 2 games in Ulster which should hopefully stand to them. On paper Tyrone should be miles ahead but it will be closer than that.  If Down can hang in, some of the older Tyrone legs might find the going tougher than expected.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on July 15, 2017, 10:52:55 PM
Aye, Monaghan have been magic alright.
Ffs!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 16, 2017, 12:30:19 AM
I think most people are judging how good Tyrone are based on their performance vs Donegal and Derry . I dont rate Derry so the question is how good are Donegal?  Their qualifier performances have not set the world alight. Armagh and Monaghan have made their way through the qualifiers with some decent performances. So on balance Down have probably had the tougher 2 games in Ulster which should hopefully stand to them. On paper Tyrone should be miles ahead but it will be closer than that.  If Down can hang in, some of the older Tyrone legs might find the going tougher than expected.
Monaghan have looked poor. Armagh haven't been great either. Tyrone are a young side, no worries with regard to 'older legs'.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Orior on July 16, 2017, 08:24:57 AM
Good luck to all the match day stewards today. I hope you have been practising getting into your "end of match" positions.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 16, 2017, 08:46:59 AM
There will be huge joy if Down win it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 16, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
This is either a really tight game or tyrone by about 10 or 11 points.

Down's attitude has been refreshing just going for it so hopefully they do the same today.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: naka on July 16, 2017, 08:54:24 AM
Hopefully the down men do the business today.
As an Armagh man I wish them well.
Driving home day night it was great to see the red and black flying proudly high over newry.

It does help though that I despise my Tyrone neighbours on the other side 🙃
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: stew on July 16, 2017, 08:56:46 AM
Hopefully the down men do the business today.
As an Armagh man I wish them well.
Driving home day night it was great to see the red and black flying proudly high over newry.

Half of Newry is in Armagh and it is never good to see those colours anywhere, Up Tyrone ( One day only)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 16, 2017, 09:12:01 AM
Hopefully the down men do the business today.
As an Armagh man I wish them well.
Driving home day night it was great to see the red and black flying proudly high over newry.

Half of Newry is in Armagh and it is never good to see those colours anywhere, Up Tyrone ( One day only)

One of my earliest memories is the orange and white covering the town in the 2002, regardless of what side of the river you were on.

Hopefully there'll be something to celebrate in Newry tonight.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: naka on July 16, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
Hopefully the down men do the business today.
As an Armagh man I wish them well.
Driving home day night it was great to see the red and black flying proudly high over newry.

Half of Newry is in Armagh and it is never good to see those colours anywhere, Up Tyrone ( One day only)
Stew I live in the middle of them but am happy to give them my support today.
Never can say the same for the red hands.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2017, 10:14:08 AM
Tyrone by as many as they want.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 11:17:33 AM
Hopefully the down men do the business today.
As an Armagh man I wish them well.
Driving home day night it was great to see the red and black flying proudly high over newry.

Half of Newry is in Armagh and it is never good to see those colours anywhere, Up Tyrone ( One day only)

We'll take that, sláinte a chara! ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2017, 01:59:29 PM
Pre match optimism kicking in. Tyrone by 5.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 16, 2017, 02:00:29 PM
Fcuk me. Another murdering of Amhrán ma bhFiann  >:(
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: BennyCake on July 16, 2017, 02:04:47 PM
Hampshey scores. The Dutch lads on commentary again.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: stew on July 16, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
There will be huge joy if Down win it.

Bollocks!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2017, 02:14:15 PM
Great start by us. Why the f**k are we slipping so much?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 02:16:33 PM
Cavanagh would be better used coming on in the last 20 minutes, started poorly.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 16, 2017, 02:19:39 PM
Down defending quite well but they appear to be under the impression hand passes equal scores rather than trying to put the ball between the posts. They're attacking too slowly with no variation or good angles of running. If they can commit more to the attack they have a chance.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 02:20:16 PM
Caolan Mooney is a great athlete but has no feet.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 02:21:20 PM
Down trying too many pot shots from 45 metres or silly angles but doing well defensively.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: BennyCake on July 16, 2017, 02:26:30 PM
Down trying too many pot shots from 45 metres or silly angles but doing well defensively.

Good score all the same from Niall Donnelly UTV Live.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Solo_run on July 16, 2017, 02:26:49 PM
Down panic whenever they are close to goal
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 02:27:15 PM
Tyrone starting to dominate but missing a bagful.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 02:29:34 PM
Throne would want to score while they have a purple patch.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 02:31:43 PM
Cavanagh would be better used coming on in the last 20 minutes, started poorly.

Would tend to agree with that at this stage. He'll probably bag a goal now I've said that!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2017, 02:34:13 PM
The wind is having a big impact I feel. Stronger than it appears.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 16, 2017, 02:34:46 PM
Better from Down, that was a great score.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: lenny on July 16, 2017, 02:34:59 PM
Throne would want to score while they have a purple patch.

Terrible match when both teams have 2 or 3 sweepers.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 02:37:49 PM
G the Tyrone keeper a real p***k!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Armamike on July 16, 2017, 02:38:56 PM
Morgan keeping Ricey's spirit alive with the verbals after O'Hanlon misses a clear goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2017, 02:39:21 PM
Proper use of the black card there. Completely pointless by the Tyrone man.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 02:40:11 PM
The corner forward Johnston way too light, gets pushed off the ball way too easy, tyrone should be winning this by 6-7pts
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Blowitupref on July 16, 2017, 02:41:55 PM
HT Tyrone 0-7 Down 0-5. Good half of football with some fine scores by both teams, the missed Down goal chance before half time a huge moment in the game.  2nd half Tyrones fitness/conditioning is sure to be on a different level to Downs so i think Down will need a goal or two to cause a upset here.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: bennydorano on July 16, 2017, 02:43:12 PM
What game are you watching. Pure pish
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 02:43:46 PM
Its a tight game but fairly average, alot of score missed especially by Tyrone
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Gael85 on July 16, 2017, 02:44:07 PM
Cavanagh getting hit/pulled off the ball and referee gives 2 yellow cards  >:(  .Horrible from Morgan roaring in O'Hanlon ear. Is that a black card offence?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 02:45:51 PM
Poor quality affair, high intensity but some real poor decision making and finishing by both sides. About half a dozen shots into goalkeepers arms and some very bad wides.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
not sure what card it is, but its a card,
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: LCohen on July 16, 2017, 02:46:05 PM
Morgan is clearly a sc**bag. Judging by his behaviour anyway.

what is the umpire doing? Unless Morgan used very selective wording he must have strayed into black card territory
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Throne would want to score while they have a purple patch.

Terrible match when both teams have 2 or 3 sweepers.
I think the sweeper/ultra defensive mentality is Tyrone's Achilles heel outside Ulster in late July/ August . The lack of a big scorer up front doesn't help either.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: LCohen on July 16, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
HT Tyrone 0-7 Down 0-5. Good half of football with some fine scores by both teams, the missed Down goal chance before half time a huge moment in the game.  2nd half Tyrones fitness/conditioning is sure to be on a different level to Downs so i think Down will need a goal or two to cause a upset here.

Dire game rescued by the last 10 or 12 mins
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 16, 2017, 02:48:17 PM
Morgan is clearly a sc**bag. Judging by his behaviour anyway.

what is the umpire doing? Unless Morgan used very selective wording he must have strayed into black card territory

They were watching the replay before talking to the ref a few minutes previous.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on July 16, 2017, 02:48:24 PM
Morgan is some mouthpiece all the same.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 16, 2017, 02:49:35 PM
Very poor game that's been somewhat saved by the tightness of the exchanges and a better last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 16, 2017, 02:52:25 PM
Warm day here in Clones and Down had a 30min warm up prior to game? Will come back to haunt them. Do they do that before every game?

We have missed a bagful. Expect us to pull away and win by at least 6.

Some scummy acts by Down players on the field. Doubt cameras have picked it all up.

We want to go on and destroy them now
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 02:52:56 PM
Morgan is some mouthpiece all the same.

Happening on both sides to be fair . . .
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 02:53:50 PM
worst act been committed by the Tyrone goalkeeper so take your tinted glasses off.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 02:54:13 PM
This is what happens when 2 similar type defensive sides go head to head. Space is at a premium inside the 45m line, goal chances are at a premium and it becomes an arm wrestle. Tyrone just have a bit more experience than Down but I have been very underwhelmed with them overall, very disappointing display from supposed AI contenders.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 02:59:03 PM
worst act been committed by the Tyrone goalkeeper so take your tinted glasses off.

No rose tinted glasses here. I said it was happening on both sides but as usual only Tyrone offences are noted around these parts.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 02:59:07 PM
Colm O Rourke seems to think that Tyrone are the new barbarians . On TSG "the worst thing possible..the Tyrone backs shutting down the Down forwards". He has no grá for Tyrone at all.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: screenexile on July 16, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
Colm O Rourke seems to think that Tyrone are the new barbarians . On TSG "the worst thing possible..the Tyrone backs shutting down the Down forwards". He has no grá for Tyrone at all.

Does anybody outside the county have any grà for them?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on July 16, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
Morgan is some mouthpiece all the same.

Happening on both sides to be fair . . .

I know, but I've a special hatred for that type of thing.
Was hoping the Down lad would hop up and take his head off.
It would be worth the red card.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
Black card for that??
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: screenexile on July 16, 2017, 03:07:59 PM
Lovely dive by Cavanagh there... a leopard can't change his spots!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 03:08:19 PM
Sean Cavanagh is an absolute disgrace. Like a wee girl telling tales to the umpire and throwing himself to the ground. Needs to swallow a pint of concrete and harden the fcuk up.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Gaffer on July 16, 2017, 03:09:16 PM
You would have thought by the half time discussions that Down were winning the match!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: LCohen on July 16, 2017, 03:10:21 PM
A black card in 2 of Down's 3 games for McKernan. Are there consequences for that?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 16, 2017, 03:11:01 PM
Is it not bookable? (The mouthing)

Joke of a black card.

Tyrone far too good.

Ger needs hs eye tested.

Two blacks i think is punishable.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: lenny on July 16, 2017, 03:12:05 PM
Lovely dive by Cavanagh there... a leopard can't change his spots!!

Tyrone are hard to watch today, their main tactic is defend in numbers, then run at down and dive to try to win frees. The ref has given them some deadly soft frees.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2017, 03:14:00 PM
Awful stuff from Clones.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 03:15:23 PM
A black card in 2 of Down's 3 games for McKernan. Are there consequences for that?

If there's any justice that black today will be overturned.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on July 16, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
This is a hard watch.
I'll give it 5 more mins and then I'm switching on the tennis.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 16, 2017, 03:16:01 PM
Terrible game at this stage.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:16:05 PM
Tyrone way too strong for Down as expected but the standard of the game very poor, couldnt see Tyrone get near Dublin to be honest
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on July 16, 2017, 03:17:13 PM
The Down lad bottled that big-time.
The ball was there to be won.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 16, 2017, 03:17:29 PM
7-0 in second half so far.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 03:17:48 PM
The Down lad bottled that big-time.
The ball was there to be won.

Big time.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:18:20 PM
Dont switch over to the tennis, i already had and had to turn back, 1 way traffic to feds  in the tennis too, without him having to try.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 03:22:33 PM
Hard to watch such free flowing scoring indeed! :D
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2017, 03:24:46 PM
Kildare might end up doing as well as Down today.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
Lovely dive by Cavanagh there... a leopard can't change his spots!!

Tyrone are hard to watch today, their main tactic is defend in numbers, then run at down and dive to try to win frees. The ref has given them some deadly soft frees.
That probably won't work later on
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jinxy on July 16, 2017, 03:25:41 PM
Right, tennis it is.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 03:27:17 PM
This was over as a contest 5 minutes after half time.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: TabClear on July 16, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
Two ridiculous frees to Down in the last 2 minutes
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:28:10 PM
Right so he blows a free to Down for a Tyrone man jumping into a tackle, then the excate same move from the Down man jumping into a tackle is now a free in, hows that work?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
Right so he blows a free to Down for a Tyrone man jumping into a tackle, then the excate same move from the Down man jumping into a tackle is now a free in, hows that work?

Because one team is getting well beat therefore they are given a few handy frees.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 03:29:56 PM
You won't see a better finish than that all year, brilliant goal.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:30:40 PM
Ouch that last goal gotta hurt lol, cheeky
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: LCohen on July 16, 2017, 03:32:12 PM
You won't see a better finish than that all year, brilliant goal.

Can't argue with that
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 03:32:26 PM
At least the Down fans won't be stuck in traffic jams anyway, most of them away home with 15 minutes left.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
Some folk won't be pleased, regardless how sublime the offering. Be afraid ye still standing, be very afraid! ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:35:23 PM
Theres nothing to be afraid of to be honest
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 16, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
Traffic will be light going home by the looks of it  ;D

Couldn't beat these boys by enough
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
Theres nothing to be afraid of to be honest

Yadda, yadda, whatever... 2-17 so far and pulling up in an Ulster Final will do me rightly :)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: stew on July 16, 2017, 03:41:51 PM
Yawnfest in Clones, was always going to be so the second Down made the Ulster Final, in fairness to Down after they settled down they were tenacious and clawed their way back into the game well, they just ran out of ideas after the break.

As for Tyrone, that is a performance that will strike no fear into the big guns going forward, Dublin are an absolute scoring machine whilst Kerry destroyed a very good Cork side, these two are way ahead of the pack and on their second half performance today Tyrone are probably the third best team in the country.

Praying for Down in Croker now, they have a terrible record in the qualifiers and we are a different team from the one they beat in the Athletic grounds.

One last thing, Tyrone's second goal was absolutely brilliant, probably the best finish we will see all year.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Blowitupref on July 16, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
That second half was a non competitive contest and very disappointing viewing for the neutral viewers, looks like Down used up all of their energy to stay in the game 1st half but credit where credit is due to Tyrone an impressive display from them in that 2nd half.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 03:45:57 PM
Maybe Colm O Rourke is biased

https://www.fanchants.com/football-songs/millwall-chants/we-are-millwall/
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:52:47 PM
Caught the tennis at the right time
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: grounded on July 16, 2017, 03:56:03 PM
Traffic will be light going home by the looks of it  ;D

Couldn't beat these boys by enough

You stay classy.

In fairness best team by a mile. Great depth on the bench as well which is vital when rhey meet the likes of the Dubs. Dont know what happened to Down just after half time, just switched off. Management seemed totally out of their depth as well. Anyhow good luck for the rest of the season
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 16, 2017, 03:57:11 PM
Yawnfest in Clones, was always going to be so the second Down made the Ulster Final, in fairness to Down after they settled down they were tenacious and clawed their way back into the game well, they just ran out of ideas after the break.

As for Tyrone, that is a performance that will strike no fear into the big guns going forward, Dublin are an absolute scoring machine whilst Kerry destroyed a very good Cork side, these two are way ahead of the pack and on their second half performance today Tyrone are probably the third best team in the country.

Praying for Down in Croker now, they have a terrible record in the qualifiers and we are a different team from the one they beat in the Athletic grounds.

One last thing, Tyrone's second goal was absolutely brilliant, probably the best finish we will see all year.

Ya what now?? I've heard cork described as many things this year but that's the first I've heard anyone call them a very good side!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 16, 2017, 03:58:32 PM
Terrible first half of football much better from Tyrone second half. Thought Mc Clure made a big difference when he got on.  Hampsey deservedly MOTM.
Did Mc Carron get a straight red?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 16, 2017, 03:59:41 PM
Don't think there has been a easier Ulster title won before.  Standard in Ulster very poor this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 16, 2017, 04:00:27 PM
Impressive from Tyrone, made Down look like a minor team in the second half.


Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2017, 04:10:22 PM
Men against boys.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: T Fearon on July 16, 2017, 04:14:34 PM
Real danger now of Tyrone becoming Ulster's equivalent of Dublin in provincial championship.Miles ahead of everyone else now
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2017, 04:19:42 PM
Nobody is mentioning the wind, this had a huge bearing in the 1st half v 2nd half performance.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2017, 04:20:14 PM
Real danger now of Tyrone becoming Ulster's equivalent of Dublin in provincial championship.Miles ahead of everyone else now

Well if they do it will be fair enough, as they don't have enormous intrinsic advantages over other counties, it is more because they are doing things right. More like Kilkenny in hurling or Cross' Rangers in Armagh.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2017, 04:25:25 PM
Nobody is mentioning the wind, this had a huge bearing in the 1st half v 2nd half performance.
There wasn't much of a wind, I didn't think.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2017, 04:28:23 PM
Nobody is mentioning the wind, this had a huge bearing in the 1st half v 2nd half performance.
There wasn't much of a wind, I didn't think.

Wasn't a gale but strong enough to make a difference. Look at shot selection from both sides in both halves and you'll see a huge difference in quality and success rate.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Gaffer on July 16, 2017, 04:30:47 PM
Real danger now of Tyrone becoming Ulster's equivalent of Dublin in provincial championship.Miles ahead of everyone else now

  You haven't much faith in McGeeney?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: T Fearon on July 16, 2017, 04:36:38 PM
We are a Division 3 team.Donegal and Monaghan the only threats to Tyrone have slipped back big time this year.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 16, 2017, 04:37:10 PM
First half Tyrone 0-7 Down 0-5 and Down could easily have led. 2nd half Tyrone 2-10 Down 0-10. Goals made it comfortable for Tyrone but the jury is still out about them and we should know more about them later this summer...
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 16, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
Down could have had the lead or tyrone could have been out the gate in the first half...

Against the better teams they may struggle for scores though. I think bradley takes too much out of ball and mccurry/ oneill likely better options.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: naka on July 16, 2017, 04:42:20 PM
No one was saying that when Armagh were taking ulstersin the early noughties
Down won their big game against Monaghan
Donegal will grow in confidence as they are a young team as will Armagh .

On the match that is mc Kiernans second black card in 3 games
Does that impact on his next game.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: T Fearon on July 16, 2017, 04:55:43 PM
The difference is there wasn't such a gap in the noughties,Armagh,Tyrone were neck and neck,with Donegal not far away,Derry on their day could have beaten anyone on their day etc.Tyrone are miles ahead of everyone now and I can't see the gap closing any time soon.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
Real danger now of Tyrone becoming Ulster's equivalent of Dublin in provincial championship.Miles ahead of everyone else now
Dublin are Leinster's equivalent of Cavan
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trileacman on July 16, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Real danger now of Tyrone becoming Ulster's equivalent of Dublin in provincial championship.Miles ahead of everyone else now
Dublin are Leinster's equivalent of Cavan

That's bollix. We couldn't buy a victory against Donegal for ~4 years. When hartes and Donnellys legs start to go in 2-3 years we'll be back into the chasing pack.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2017, 05:11:16 PM
Real danger now of Tyrone becoming Ulster's equivalent of Dublin in provincial championship.Miles ahead of everyone else now
Dublin are Leinster's equivalent of Cavan

That's bollix. We couldn't buy a victory against Donegal for ~4 years. When hartes and Donnellys legs start to go in 2-3 years we'll be back into the chasing pack.

You have players like Ronan O'Neill or Lee Brennan who have probably not reached their peak yet to replace them.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 16, 2017, 05:22:47 PM
Down got some amount of handy frees in last 15 minutes
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: red hander on July 16, 2017, 05:29:30 PM
The difference is there wasn't such a gap in the noughties,Armagh,Tyrone were neck and neck,with Donegal not far away,Derry on their day could have beaten anyone on their day etc.Tyrone are miles ahead of everyone now and I can't see the gap closing any time soon.

Really? Armagh, like Kerry, could never beat us when it REALLY mattered
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on July 16, 2017, 05:44:04 PM
Wasn't a vintage Tyrone performance but still comfortable. Some poor wides when they were well on top in the first half allowed Down back into it and being only 2 points up at the break was a poor reflection on Tyrone's domination of most of it.
Whatever Mickey said at half time worked as they came out and finished the match off. 8 point defeat probably flattered Down a bit.

Still hard to know exactly where Tyrone stand in comparison to the very best teams. We'll find out over the next few weeks. Job done today though, well done to the lads.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Targetman on July 16, 2017, 07:17:07 PM
Tyrone are a seriously good side, strong all over the field and i hope they carry that form true and give it a good rattle, them and the Dubs would be a big one, with Tyrone winning by 2!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 16, 2017, 07:48:33 PM
Some nonsense talk on here regarding Tyrone as usual. We were never going to learn anything today about how we'd do against the better teams. It was a game in which they were on a hiding to nothing and just to get through. They did the job scoring 2 17 mostly from play, an awful lot more than Armagh or Monaghan managed.

Some nice scores and great fielding. Good to see newer players like hampsey and mcclure stand up. Plenty to work on too. But tonight is about celebrating back to back ulsters. Just a few years ago that seemed a long long way away.

The dubs walk through Leinster most years with huge tallies. As far back as 08 they were hammering Wexford and Tyrone were told they'd no chance against them. Hopefully we get a crack at them anyway, id be shocked if they scored 2 23.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: mick999 on July 16, 2017, 08:43:43 PM
Terrible first half of football much better from Tyrone second half. Thought Mc Clure made a big difference when he got on.  Hampsey deservedly MOTM.
Did Mc Carron get a straight red?

2nd yellow according to Irish times

"Tyrone finished with 14 men, losing Cathal McCarron to a second yellow; it mattered nothing, by then both feet on the road to Croke Pak, driving on, not looking back."
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Rois on July 16, 2017, 08:49:34 PM
Yeah it was near me, second yellow. I hadn't seen the first one.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: lenny on July 16, 2017, 08:52:01 PM
Some nonsense talk on here regarding Tyrone as usual. We were never going to learn anything today about how we'd do against the better teams. It was a game in which they were on a hiding to nothing and just to get through. They did the job scoring 2 17 mostly from play, an awful lot more than Armagh or Monaghan managed.

Some nice scores and great fielding. Good to see newer players like hampsey and mcclure stand up. Plenty to work on too. But tonight is about celebrating back to back ulsters. Just a few years ago that seemed a long long way away.

The dubs walk through Leinster most years with huge tallies. As far back as 08 they were hammering Wexford and Tyrone were told they'd no chance against them. Hopefully we get a crack at them anyway, id be shocked if they scored 2 23.

We learned that tyrone struggle when the other team keep their defensive shape as down did for the first half. Tyrone kicked away some really stupid possession and at times looked clueless. Only when they went into a 5 or 6 point lead and Down pushed up a bit did they get space and suddenly looked good. They then got a few champagne scores which they didn't look like getting when the score was tight. If O'hanlon had stuck away the goal chance it would've been a different game. Mckernan was a big loss for Down. Hampsey is playing really well and it's nice to see bradley playing well, great wee player.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: snoopdog on July 16, 2017, 08:53:21 PM
Best team won. Tyrone looked good. Pity Down hadn't taken that goal chance before half time. Tyrone always looked like winning. But Down made some crazy decisions in the 2nd half kept playing the ball out wide when they possibly could've taken a few scores. It would only have narrowed the gap. Hopefully we learneed from today and move on. Armagh up next in the qualifiers which won't be easy at a neutral venue probably Clones. The winner of that gets to play the Dubs on a quarter final.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 09:08:55 PM
Some nonsense talk on here regarding Tyrone as usual. We were never going to learn anything today about how we'd do against the better teams. It was a game in which they were on a hiding to nothing and just to get through. They did the job scoring 2 17 mostly from play, an awful lot more than Armagh or Monaghan managed.

Some nice scores and great fielding. Good to see newer players like hampsey and mcclure stand up. Plenty to work on too. But tonight is about celebrating back to back ulsters. Just a few years ago that seemed a long long way away.

The dubs walk through Leinster most years with huge tallies. As far back as 08 they were hammering Wexford and Tyrone were told they'd no chance against them. Hopefully we get a crack at them anyway, id be shocked if they scored 2 23.

We learned that tyrone struggle when the other team keep their defensive shape as down did for the first half. Tyrone kicked away some really stupiyd possession and at times looked clueless. Only when they went into a 5 or 6 point lead and Down pushed up a bit did they get space and suddenly looked good. They then got a few champagne scores which they didn't look like getting when the score was tight. If O'hanlon had stuck away the goal chance it would've been a different game. Mckernan was a big loss for Down. Hampsey is playing really well and it's nice to see bradley playing well, great wee player.

Thanks for that, totally meaningless and airblown tat.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Rois on July 16, 2017, 09:16:44 PM
Just after watching a clip on 9 o'clock news showing v clearly Cavanagh's marker actually nipping him. Is that a common thing these days?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 16, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Targetman on July 16, 2017, 09:25:52 PM
Oh yea Ricey started that years ago,play on ref!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
Just after watching a clip on 9 o'clock news showing v clearly Cavanagh's marker actually nipping him. Is that a common thing these days?

Does Cavanagh not wear a sports bra, I doubt if he even felt it. Because if he did you can be sure he would be rolling around the ground like he was shot. Spent most of the time telling tales to the umpire when he wasn't getting McKernan black carded with a theatrical dive.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Targetman on July 16, 2017, 09:31:22 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.

Down weren't good we've gathered that, but for Tyrone to talk about the opposition's scummy acts is at best laughable, move on and try to beat one of the big 3!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: MK on July 16, 2017, 09:42:36 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.


Tyrone offered nothing more than i expected today-Football wise totally superior yet still let themselves down big time with Sean Cavanagh's non-stop whinging/diving and Niall Morgan's nonsense
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.


Tyrone offered nothing more than i expected today-Football wise totally superior yet still let themselves down big time with Sean Cavanagh's non-stop whinging/diving and Niall Morgan's nonsense

So it reduces to the actions of TWO individuals, and do you really believe that everything happens in a vacuum?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: thebar on July 16, 2017, 10:19:35 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.


Tyrone offered nothing more than i expected today-Football wise totally superior yet still let themselves down big time with Sean Cavanagh's non-stop whinging/diving and Niall Morgan's nonsense

So it reduces to the actions of TWO individuals, and do you really believe that everything happens in a vacuum?

What type of vacuum are you talking about?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 10:23:25 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.


Tyrone offered nothing more than i expected today-Football wise totally superior yet still let themselves down big time with Sean Cavanagh's non-stop whinging/diving and Niall Morgan's nonsense

So it reduces to the actions of TWO individuals, and do you really believe that everything happens in a vacuum?

What type of vacuum are you talking about?

Did you see Mc Kernan's cowardly actions on Cavanagh, or were you conveniently blind to them?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: maggie on July 16, 2017, 10:29:52 PM
Was the Down fella with the cut head ok? Poland i think it was
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: yellowcard on July 16, 2017, 10:32:52 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.


Tyrone offered nothing more than i expected today-Football wise totally superior yet still let themselves down big time with Sean Cavanagh's non-stop whinging/diving and Niall Morgan's nonsense

So it reduces to the actions of TWO individuals, and do you really believe that everything happens in a vacuum?

What type of vacuum are you talking about?

Did you see Mc Kernan's cowardly actions on Cavanagh, or were you conveniently blind to them?

No I didn't, please fill me in. What I do know is that Cavanagh is one of the most dishonest players in the game and was running about telling tales to the officials like a young infant.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 16, 2017, 10:35:22 PM
So you've more issue with Cavanagh complaining about the dirty actions than the dirty actions themselves? Right so.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 16, 2017, 10:46:54 PM
Was the Down fella with the cut head ok? Poland i think it was

I warsaw that alright.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 11:02:54 PM
Mc Kernan's a Keegan wannabe , and jinxy''s a jackeen judas! :)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 16, 2017, 11:15:00 PM
That was a decent display by the end.

Tyrone did become somewhat complacent around 20 mins such was the ease of their lead. Down really should have gone in ahead but that miss when 1-on-1 was crucial. I was glad to see Morgan tell the lad how to score the next time.

Second half was so predictable. Down just became ragged against the Tyrone juggernaut and in reality Tyrone could have scored 5 goals and 77 points.

What is this bounce Johnston does? It's like a work of art. Quare skulduggery by Down throughout though. A lot of mouthing and patting on heads. Nothing worse than patting on heads.

I was glad to see Down ones have a good day out though and some even managed to beat the traffic going home. Down women aren't as good looking as they used to be. A lot have put weight on.
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Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 16, 2017, 11:21:42 PM
Thanks ONeiil, Sláinte :D ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 16, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
That was a decent display by the end.

Tyrone did become somewhat complacent around 20 mins such was the ease of their lead. Down really should have gone in ahead but that miss when 1-on-1 was crucial. I was glad to see Morgan tell the lad how to score the next time.

Second half was so predictable. Down just became ragged against the Tyrone juggernaut and in reality Tyrone could have scored 5 goals and 77 points.

What is this bounce Johnston does? It's like a work of art. Quare skulduggery by Down throughout though. A lot of mouthing and patting on heads. Nothing worse than patting on heads.

I was glad to see Down ones have a good day out though and some even managed to beat the traffic going home. Down women aren't as good looking as they used to be. A lot have put weight on.

Almost bit on that point until I realised it was a carefully designed rouse to elecit that exact reaction.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Over the Bar on July 16, 2017, 11:55:48 PM
I posted at half time about the scummy acts some down players were at.

Down offered nothing more than I expected today.


Tyrone offered nothing more than i expected today-Football wise totally superior yet still let themselves down big time with Sean Cavanagh's non-stop whinging/diving and Niall Morgan's nonsense

So it reduces to the actions of TWO individuals, and do you really believe that everything happens in a vacuum?

What type of vacuum are you talking about?

Did you see Mc Kernan's cowardly actions on Cavanagh, or were you conveniently blind to them?

No I didn't, please fill me in. What I do know is that Cavanagh is one of the most dishonest players in the game and was running about telling tales to the officials like a young infant.

Lol.  Big Sean and Tyrone have obviously hurt you over the years!  You wouldn't be a bitter apple by any chance??  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Hoes before bros on July 17, 2017, 01:38:02 AM
jeez that Ronan O'Neill lad is an awful p***k. Very very good footballer but you couldn't like him if ya reared him. I'd say his biggest problem is he knows how good he is
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 17, 2017, 04:20:07 AM
Great win the day, fair play to the players and Harte and co, thats how I like it... pulling up early, feck this drama carry on.

Some great scores taken in the first quarter but then got slack and it gave down impetus. Blew them apart in the third quarter and even by the time the goals came it was all academic.

Hampsey has been a bit of a revelation this year, two great performances and was really commanding from HB. Conall McCann impressed too, lot of energy, hilarious how the two Down lads managed to knock each other down and keep Connall up to put Cavanagh thru in the first half, a great example of conservation of momentum.

The squad is looking strong too with McClure, Brennan, and RON great goals.... he is our goal man probably part of reason he doesnt get on as he is a bit of a glory hunter not a percentage guy.

Was glad to see the match celebrated in the manner an Ulster title deserves especially by the players.

Bigger tests to come but we celebrate another Ulster for now
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 17, 2017, 04:41:30 AM
Ref was a farce as expected, he's quite probably the worst referee since we decided that to offer Sludden's services on the rest of country

What is deal with Down having their freetaker in the half back line? Didnt Carr and Mason also play in defence?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 07:26:25 AM
watched game back and saw Morgan roaring at OHanlon after the missed goal chance. Is that what people are giving out about??
Down players were at this and worse the whole game  ::)

Big SC took some abuse throughout. The yellow card he got was a joke.

RON is a superb talent but he simply doesn't work hard enough to start. Impact sub is his role for the foreseeable future.
Nice to see Lee get a run out.

A good day at the office
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sensethetone on July 17, 2017, 07:54:25 AM
Ref was a farce as expected, he's quite probably the worst referee since we decided that to offer Sludden's services on the rest of country

What is deal with Down having their freetaker in the half back line? Didnt Carr and Mason also play in defence?
That's a poor ref, he at least shouldn't about an Ulster pairing if refereeing at all.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 17, 2017, 09:11:54 AM
watched game back and saw Morgan roaring at OHanlon after the missed goal chance. Is that what people are giving out about??
Down players were at this and worse the whole game  ::)

Big SC took some abuse throughout. The yellow card he got was a joke.

RON is a superb talent but he simply doesn't work hard enough to start. Impact sub is his role for the foreseeable future.
Nice to see Lee get a run out.

A good day at the office

No need for it to be fair. He would be better cutting that sh1te out and focusing on the game. Kickouts weren't as good as the Donegal game but I suppose that was because Down were more competitive than Donegal. Some great examples of fielding from Cavanagh's, and McClure when he came on. The mark has definitely improved this aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 17, 2017, 10:57:04 AM
Watched the game on TV as I couldn't make it to the game.

Tyrone looked to play in 4th gear for the entire match some great performances all the same. Hampsey has been find of the season so far and I thought McClure was outstanding when introduced. Could McGearys place now be in doubt after getting the black card? (stupid rule that needs to go). McCann could go wing forward with McClure starting in the middle.

Interesting to hear a lot of positives about RONeill in past comments however he's failed to deliver for Tyrone at this level and whilst it was good to see him get two goals - I think the game was over at this stage. Two great finishes all the same.

Didn't like what Morgan was up to either after the goal chance - no need!

What did everyone else think of Sean Cavanaghs performance - I thought he was poor yesterday although looked like he was getting special treatment. Good to see the diddy nip making a comeback haven't seen one since I was at school (those dirty Down boys). Did anyone notice the reaction of the tyrone players when Cavanagh fisted the ball over the bar in the first half when there was an easy goal on? We need to be more ruthless and play as a team if we are to make an impact against the top 2.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 11:04:48 AM
Firsty the facts.
0.22 v Derry
1.21 v Donegal
2.17 v Down
Not bad scoring for a team who are meant to be so defensive and put so much effort into stopping the other teams from scoring.


As many have said it must be the easiest won Ulster ever and we're still left wondering is it because everyone else have fallen back or have Tyrone moved on to another level. It seemed that Tyrone came out in the second half and moved up another gear. They stopped messing about with silly balls into the FF line but went back to their running game and taking scores from distance when the chance eventually arrived.

McQuillan seemed to do reasonably well in the first half but seem to lose the run of himself in the second half, making some very strange decisions.

Was a very different game to the Donegal match and I think this mainly stemmed from Down sitting back a lot more to contain us. You could see at times they were almost scared to run into our defence, knowing that a turnover and quick break will be the most likely outcome.

For me it's great to see the team playing so well without big Sean and Peter Harte maybe not as influential as usual. Who would have thought a year or two ago that Hampsey would have got two man of the match awards in a row and have scored 5 points in his last two games. Was glad Mickey had the balls to take Sean off whereas before sentiment would have influenced him.
Also good to see Mattie back playing well and more importantly kicking 3 points again.
McClure had a huge game in my eyes when he came in and for the first time in maybe 20 years we are strong at midfield again. With the new mark rule and a keeper who is accurate and fast with his restarts then we are no longer under pressure to always kick it short.

Yeah disappointing to see Morgan resort to that sort of reaction but he seems to be highly pumped during games when he makes a good save I notice as well. I thought he had settled the head a bit the last year or so.

So it will be Kildare or Armagh in the next round then in 3 weeks time. I wonder will we score 20+ points again. Most pundits seem to be ranking us 3rd again like last year which no doubt will greatly motivate Mayo and Kildare/Armagh. 

Yeah agree WT4E that Sean could have squared that ball for a goal. Not the first time he's done that lately.
Thought Conal McCann had another quiet enough game and with McClure looking much more up for it you would imagine he'll be in with a good chance to start the next day.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2017, 11:12:16 AM
That's three games in a row that Sean has been poor. Perhaps that's being unfair as his standards are so high. Could McClure come on in his place and leave Sean for the last 25? I also think he's taking far too much out of the ball and taking the wrong option. As WT4E mentions, he passed up a certain goal chance by fisting a point when there were at least two men with open nets in front of them. This happened against Donegal too. These all need to be ruthlessly taken if we're to challenge the top two.

Btw, completely disgusted by Morgan's reaction towards O'Hanlon. Wtf is that all about? It's not as if he was getting himself and he wanted some revenge. In saying that there were a squad of Down men going flat out at the goading and for all Sean Cavanagh's theatrics he does ship serious flak.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 11:29:52 AM
No need for Morgan to do it. Agree. But its a bit rich for any Down fan to criticise him considering what went on out the field. That lad OHanlon is fond of the dark arts himself so whats good for the goose.

I would be more concerned with Morgan starting that nonsense again and it taking away from his own game. He cant seem to mix it. Needs complete focus on us rather than worry about mouthing or goading at the other teams players.

SC is the great conundrum now. He normally occupies 2 of the other teams better defenders when he is on leaving space for other players to attack.
He isnt playing well and is not clinical enough lately. Seems he is more interested in 0-1 beside his name than a goal for the team.

Tough one but in MH we trust
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 17, 2017, 11:59:37 AM
Tyrone play to Hartes template which is well known at this stage.  I would just like to see our forwards be more direct from time to time, gather the ball, turn and run to for goal.  This is our biggest weakness.  Also, when we get goal chances we squander a lot of them.  There was a sitter missed again yesterday by Hampsey I think, he just seemed so casual in his approach to the opportunity.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
I'd rather say players try to place it rather than what most do and that is blast it straight at the keeper as we saw in the Donegal game and Kildare did yesterday straight at Cluxton.

Not everyone can do this I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHCS4RhJMQ
Nice to know Ronan has a lot to offer, even if it is as a sub coming on near the end. I was surprised Lee Brennan didn't try for a goal in his chance near the end.

Aidan McCrory must run some distances each match he plays. The amount of times you see him up near our attacking goal is amazing.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
If Lee went for goal and missed he probably wouldn't be seen for the rest of the championship!!

Did you notice he celebrated his point like he just bagged the winning goal?! Fair play to him.

 
jeez that Ronan O'Neill lad is an awful p***k. Very very good footballer but you couldn't like him if ya reared him. I'd say his biggest problem is he knows how good he is

What did he do??? The way he celebrated his goal? I thought that was funny. Too many players look like they're on their way to their mother's wake after they score a goal. Have a bit of a laugh I say. On that subject, look for Niall Donnelly's reaction after he scored the long distance point in the first half. Look like he had a right laugh to himself, I'm assuming that was a bit of a collector's item?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Under Lights on July 17, 2017, 01:17:32 PM
If Lee went for goal and missed he probably wouldn't be seen for the rest of the championship!!

Did you notice he celebrated his point like he just bagged the winning goal?! Fair play to him.

 
jeez that Ronan O'Neill lad is an awful p***k. Very very good footballer but you couldn't like him if ya reared him. I'd say his biggest problem is he knows how good he is

What did he do??? The way he celebrated his goal? I thought that was funny. Too many players look like they're on their way to their mother's wake after they score a goal. Have a bit of a laugh I say. On that subject, look for Niall Donnelly's reaction after he scored the long distance point in the first half. Look like he had a right laugh to himself, I'm assuming that was a bit of a collector's item?

Just think he wasn't shooting, lobbing it into Harrison.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 17, 2017, 01:24:35 PM
I'd rather say players try to place it rather than what most do and that is blast it straight at the keeper as we saw in the Donegal game and Kildare did yesterday straight at Cluxton.

Not everyone can do this I suppose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHCS4RhJMQ
Nice to know Ronan has a lot to offer, even if it is as a sub coming on near the end. I was surprised Lee Brennan didn't try for a goal in his chance near the end.

Aidan McCrory must run some distances each match he plays. The amount of times you see him up near our attacking goal is amazing.

I think that Brennan in a Trillick jersey would have went for goal, but he knows that in the Tyrone camp that there is one way of playing and its all about playing the percentages and taking the safe option.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 02:11:37 PM
After all the Tyrone over confidence on here last week I was not too surprised to read some of the very anti Tyrone bias on here yesterday.
As many have already admitted it was disappointing to see Morgan's reaction but I don't know was there much else people could complain about yesterday.

Players like Tiernan McCann and Mattie D are good at making penetrating runs to break through the blanket defence which often results in them drawing the foul. Some would argue that he played for that free but if the defender fell for it or was lazy with his tackle then a free's a free.
As for Sean complaining to the ref or linesman about being fouled etc, what's the alternative, to take the law into his own hands like D.Connolly might do and then get punished even more.
Yes many would love to see Sean get sent off again for reacting to the abuse he gets during a game.

I see the Irish News agreed with my choice of McClure for MOTM. He looked very up for it yesterday and I'll be disappointed if he doesn't start the next day. Anyone else think the marks given in the IN are a bit mean on Tyrone?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 02:21:14 PM
After all the Tyrone over confidence on here last week I was not too surprised to read some of the very anti Tyrone bias on here yesterday.
As many have already admitted it was disappointing to see Morgan's reaction but I don't know was there much else people could complain about yesterday.

Players like Tiernan McCann and Mattie D are good at making penetrating runs to break through the blanket defence which often results in them drawing the foul. Some would argue that he played for that free but if the defender fell for it or was lazy with his tackle then a free's a free.
As for Sean complaining to the ref or linesman about being fouled etc, what's the alternative, to take the law into his own hands like D.Connolly might do and then get punished even more.
Yes many would love to see Sean get sent off again for reacting to the abuse he gets during a game.

I see the Irish News agreed with my choice of McClure for MOTM. He looked very up for it yesterday and I'll be disappointed if he doesn't start the next day. Anyone else think the marks given in the IN are a bit mean on Tyrone?

Calling a spade a spade is not overconfidence FM.
Its just calling it as it is.
What is the alternative? To sound like every player and managers soundbites nowadays 'surra they are a great time, it will be a tough match etc'.

We are a far superior team to Down and it showed. We are far superior to the next team we will meet as well be it Kildare or Armagh - but its the Dubs after that and we will find it bloody tough but that is where we want to be.

Feck this cautious, talking up the opposition bullshit
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: God14 on July 17, 2017, 02:31:52 PM
Kildare armagh or Monaghan next then? I notice a few have just said kildare or armagh... can someone confirm?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: 5 Sams on July 17, 2017, 02:34:11 PM
Kildare armagh or Monaghan next then? I notice a few have just said kildare or armagh... can someone confirm?

Its Monghan at HQ next Saturday week. Double header with Armagh Kildare.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Rois on July 17, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
Anyone else think the marks given in the IN are a bit mean on Tyrone?
That was my first reaction this morning too - thought C Cavanagh and Tiernan McCann were particularly harshly marked given their level of involvement. 
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: twohands!!! on July 17, 2017, 03:16:02 PM

For me it's great to see the team playing so well without big Sean and Peter Harte maybe not as influential as usual.

Blasphemy - I thought he was immense yesterday - he was popping up everywhere and anywhere and got through an absolute tonne of work.

Sean was very poor though.

Down were miles off the pace, especially in terms of having any sort of a plan of attack. Were just utterly clueless in terms of trying to take on the Tyrone defence.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: J70 on July 17, 2017, 03:51:44 PM
After all the Tyrone over confidence on here last week I was not too surprised to read some of the very anti Tyrone bias on here yesterday.
As many have already admitted it was disappointing to see Morgan's reaction but I don't know was there much else people could complain about yesterday.

Players like Tiernan McCann and Mattie D are good at making penetrating runs to break through the blanket defence which often results in them drawing the foul. Some would argue that he played for that free but if the defender fell for it or was lazy with his tackle then a free's a free.
As for Sean complaining to the ref or linesman about being fouled etc, what's the alternative, to take the law into his own hands like D.Connolly might do and then get punished even more.
Yes many would love to see Sean get sent off again for reacting to the abuse he gets during a game.

I see the Irish News agreed with my choice of McClure for MOTM. He looked very up for it yesterday and I'll be disappointed if he doesn't start the next day. Anyone else think the marks given in the IN are a bit mean on Tyrone?

I'm sure its already been discussed, but was one of the Down players pinching Cavanagh on the tits yesterday? (Looked like it on tv)

If so, my admiration of Cavanagh has gone up a notch - there's no way in hell most people would have the self-control not to retaliate instantly to that carry-on.

Morgan - not nice to see, but we see it a fair bit in senior football now. Conor McManus did it to the Donegal keeper last year, but in that case I think McGinley had been giving him some kind of lip to try and throw him off before he took the penalty and so it was probably justified.

On over-confidence, youse have every entitlement to it. Streets ahead of the rest in Ulster at the moment.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2017, 04:01:25 PM
Who was the titty nip offender?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 17, 2017, 04:37:54 PM
Is that Niall McParland?
https://twitter.com/hoeydavid13/status/886577845614645248/photo/1

Interesting how some neutrals thought Sean played quite well yesterday.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/tyrone-sean-cavanagh-130409
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 17, 2017, 04:40:20 PM
Gerard McGovern number 2.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 17, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Is that Niall McParland?
https://twitter.com/hoeydavid13/status/886577845614645248/photo/1

Interesting how some neutrals thought Sean played quite well yesterday.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/tyrone-sean-cavanagh-130409

I thought he was pretty poor, kicked the ball aimlessly a few times which wasn't like him. He did have one magnificent mark though.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 17, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Gerard McGovern number 2.

McGovern was number 3. It was McParland.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2017, 05:24:26 PM
Is that Niall McParland?
https://twitter.com/hoeydavid13/status/886577845614645248/photo/1

Interesting how some neutrals thought Sean played quite well yesterday.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/tyrone-sean-cavanagh-130409

Whilst not condoning Morgan's behaviour and Sean's involvement in the black card it's no surprise to see the total absence of comment on that or other Down indiscretions during the match traffic here on Sunday.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 17, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Surprised myself OG.
Some of the behaviour was shocking and far exceeded what normally goes on. But then Down are the aristocrats of Ulster football.
Their behaviour was similarly bad v Monaghan.

If it had been Tyrone there would be multiple threads already
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 06:43:38 PM
Who owns the idiot on top of the goalposts; what a dick!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 06:44:58 PM
Probably learned all the bad behaviour from u lads!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: reddgnhand on July 17, 2017, 06:51:15 PM
Probably learned all the bad behaviour from u lads!

You Derry boys could learn a few things from us. Like how to play football.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2017, 07:01:22 PM
I watch dublin if am looking to watch a team play gaelic football
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: tyssam5 on July 17, 2017, 07:56:18 PM
Yawnfest in Clones, was always going to be so the second Down made the Ulster Final, in fairness to Down after they settled down they were tenacious and clawed their way back into the game well, they just ran out of ideas after the break.

As for Tyrone, that is a performance that will strike no fear into the big guns going forward, Dublin are an absolute scoring machine whilst Kerry destroyed a very good Cork side, these two are way ahead of the pack and on their second half performance today Tyrone are probably the third best team in the country.

Praying for Down in Croker now, they have a terrible record in the qualifiers and we are a different team from the one they beat in the Athletic grounds.

One last thing, Tyrone's second goal was absolutely brilliant, probably the best finish we will see all year.

Cork are very good? Didn't they scrape into the Munster final with two 1-pt wins? Waterford and Tipp?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2017, 08:08:46 PM
Worst cork team i have seen in my life. Not good at all.

I feel for down now. Really can't see them beating monaghan but hope they put up a show at the very least so their season doesn't fizzle out too much.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 17, 2017, 08:13:16 PM
O'Hanlon was givin Wylie plenty after the penalty, an indication that he doesnt like it done onto himself, you reap what you sow.
As far as Morgan goes...see above.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 08:49:33 PM
Throne are 5/1 with pp
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc

That would seem to indicate another failed attempt of the summit
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 17, 2017, 08:55:17 PM
Throne are 5/1 with pp
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc

That would seem to indicate another failed attempt of the summit

Well then, we'll hardly bother saying PP says we're not gonna win it.

Where'd they have Galway?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: thewobbler on July 17, 2017, 08:55:49 PM
Really not a fan of the soccer-influenced blinkered bantz that this thread hasn't become.

Verbals happen. If anyone in Down football deserves them it's O'Hanlon. And I don't even mean that as a sleight on his character. He enjoys that sort of thing.

Praising someone for not reacting to his GPS vest being nipped is a touch shallow.

Sunday was a case of a strong intermediate side playing a strong senior side. I've been there more than a few times in club football and sadly it's never the intermediate side who get to decide how things go.

Was extremely impressed with Tyrone in patches.

Big Sean, an all time great, has sadly nothing to offer Tyrone anymore in games like this. The rest of them play selfless and efficient football. Maybe Tyrone will need bigger plays against Dublin, but he's actually a disruption against weaker sides.

Peter Harte was wonderful. I could watch him play ball all day. Hampsey and McClure have the makings of the new McMahons. Colm Cav just doesn't put a foot wrong. Midfield was simply owned.

If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.

Monaghan will be interesting for Down. If we play it like a championship match instead of a season finale then we will have a chance; but I'm not sure if as a county we need to go much further at this stage; the risk of a hiding thereafter is very very real.

Gerard McGovern, Niall Donnelly and Ryan's Johnston showed there are a few leaders in the camp. We could do with a few more; a few more men who'll take a 35m shot on instead of throwing out to the wing before inevitably being turned over. Falling into that trap again and again on Sunday was so hard to watch.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
Throne are 5/1 with pp
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/all-ireland-sfc

That would seem to indicate another failed attempt of the summit

Well then, we'll hardly bother saying PP says we're not gonna win it.

Where'd they have Galway?
Also unlikely to win in September
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:15:05 PM
I thought Peter Harte was one of the main reasons for the upping of gears in the second, especially at the start. He was battering them and broke the door.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 17, 2017, 09:17:35 PM


If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.



This is a point to watch. Against Donegal it was the same. After 45/50, Mickey emptied the bench and Tyrone conceded a right bit albeit with the game dead and buried. We'll know soon whether this is a worrying trend late in games or simply holding back.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 17, 2017, 09:49:41 PM
Very fair analysis Wobbler. Agree regarding Petey, he is to be one of the strongest ball carriers around. Excellent balance.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: grounded on July 17, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
O'Hanlon was givin Wylie plenty after the penalty, an indication that he doesnt like it done onto himself, you reap what you sow.
As far as Morgan goes...see above.

In fairness wylie was mouthing to him before the penalty!  Anyway all a crock of crap as it goes on in most games now. I seem to remember Morgan getting a bit himself in the past when taking frees against Donegal. A non issue to be honest.
         As wobbler said there i thought Peter Harte was the main driver at the start of the second half. A seriously under rated player. Has everything. The other thing was the quality they had to take on. Had my doubts after the Donegal game simply as i didnt know how good or bad Donegal are. But after Sunday i can see them beating the likes of the Dubs or Kerry.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2017, 09:52:04 PM
Harte is much quicker than he looks too. Him and o'hanlon had a race for the ball second half and he made o'hanlon look like he was standing still.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 17, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
O'Hanlon was givin Wylie plenty after the penalty, an indication that he doesnt like it done onto himself, you reap what you sow.
As far as Morgan goes...see above.

In fairness wylie was mouthing to him before the penalty!  Anyway all a crock of crap as it goes on in most games now. I seem to remember Morgan getting a bit himself in the past when taking frees against Donegal. A non issue to be honest.
         As wobbler said there i thought Peter Harte was the main driver at the start of the second half. A seriously under rated player. Has everything. The other thing was the quality they had to take on. Had my doubts after the Donegal game simply as i didnt know how good or bad Donegal are. But after Sunday i can see them beating the likes of the Dubs or Kerry.

I can remember him getting stick from a wee kid sitting on the fence behind the goals in the 2014 replay! Whatever the wee lad said was enough to get a retort anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: JoG2 on July 17, 2017, 10:28:30 PM
O'Hanlon was givin Wylie plenty after the penalty, an indication that he doesnt like it done onto himself, you reap what you sow.
As far as Morgan goes...see above.

In fairness wylie was mouthing to him before the penalty!  Anyway all a crock of crap as it goes on in most games now. I seem to remember Morgan getting a bit himself in the past when taking frees against Donegal. A non issue to be honest.
         As wobbler said there i thought Peter Harte was the main driver at the start of the second half. A seriously under rated player. Has everything. The other thing was the quality they had to take on. Had my doubts after the Donegal game simply as i didnt know how good or bad Donegal are. But after Sunday i can see them beating the likes of the Dubs or Kerry.

Ye'd want to think about changing the old username there  :)

Did Morgan not hit a long free against Donegal, cup the ear to the crowd and couldn't hit snow off a rope for the remainder of the game, hence the giggling from the masses?

Re Peter Harte, a serious footballer, one the best in the business
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: grounded on July 17, 2017, 11:15:21 PM
O'Hanlon was givin Wylie plenty after the penalty, an indication that he doesnt like it done onto himself, you reap what you sow.
As far as Morgan goes...see above.

In fairness wylie was mouthing to him before the penalty!  Anyway all a crock of crap as it goes on in most games now. I seem to remember Morgan getting a bit himself in the past when taking frees against Donegal. A non issue to be honest.
         As wobbler said there i thought Peter Harte was the main driver at the start of the second half. A seriously under rated player. Has everything. The other thing was the quality they had to take on. Had my doubts after the Donegal game simply as i didnt know how good or bad Donegal are. But after Sunday i can see them beating the likes of the Dubs or Kerry.

Ye'd want to think about changing the old username there  :)

Did Morgan not hit a long free against Donegal, cup the ear to the crowd and couldn't hit snow off a rope for the remainder of the game, hence the giggling from the masses?

Re Peter Harte, a serious footballer, one the best in the business

Nah,  i think they do have the quality to match the Dubs or Kerry this year,  particular as its big Seans last Swandive ahem song.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: tyroneman on July 18, 2017, 07:19:13 AM


If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.



This is a point to watch. Against Donegal it was the same. After 45/50, Mickey emptied the bench and Tyrone conceded a right bit albeit with the game dead and buried. We'll know soon whether this is a worrying trend late in games or simply holding back.

Joe mcQuillan did his best to help the Down scoreboard tick over in the last 15min. Some of the frees given ( and not given the other end) were scandalous.

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 18, 2017, 07:38:56 AM


If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.



This is a point to watch. Against Donegal it was the same. After 45/50, Mickey emptied the bench and Tyrone conceded a right bit albeit with the game dead and buried. We'll know soon whether this is a worrying trend late in games or simply holding back.

Joe mcQuillan did his best to help the Down scoreboard tick over in the last 15min. Some of the frees given ( and not given the other end) were scandalous.

Very true. I have alot of confidence in the defence the organisation, dicipline, skill in the tackle, concentration and shear relentlesness has been immense
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 08:34:07 AM


If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.


It wouldn't really worry me in that regard.

I think we went 1-15 to 0-08 up after about 50 minutes and McQuillan seemed to just hand out ridiculous frees for slight contact he wasn't giving up to that point, as Brolly said after the match they were sympathy frees.

A similar thing happened against Donegal, we were 1-15 to 0-06 up after 50 minutes and took our foot off the gas. When games are going like that teams will generally drop their intensity and it can be a challenge like atmosphere. I wouldn't expect us to tail off if games are in the melting pot like that.

Very solid performance. Mattie played very well but his shooting was way off, Sean not at his best yet but I think he still deserves his place, it's more his decision making that has been uncharacteristically off more than signs of age showing so I trust him to turn it around. Who takes over the short and medium range frees from the left if he's dropped in any case.

2-15 from play against Down. 11 different scorers from play.
1-19 from play against Donegal. 11 different scorers from play.

They are highly impressive scoring stats, what I would suspect is that when we play the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry they will target us from deep and use systematic fouling to halt our momentum, they will look to hit us in areas where we still have obvious problems with scoring frees. The effectiveness of this will rely on how well the ref will police it, I think Kerry are by far the biggest proponents of systematic fouling in the game right now as they have serious issues in their back line, they tend to get away with it because they are Kerry and little commentary is afforded to their cynicism.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 18, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Once the first goal went in and the game was really over, Down started getting frees for very little.  In saying that, I would rather see Tyrone really hammer a team when the opportunity is there.  In both the Donegal and Down games, Tyrone have taken the foot off in the 15 minutes when you would expect those playing for places to really bust their balls.  As mentioned though, in both these games the Tyrone defence was near perfect when the game was still competitive.  Good to see Lee Brennan get a run, was surprised to see his brother not involved when I even hoped he would start.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Up The Middle on July 18, 2017, 09:42:44 AM


If I was from that part of the world I'd be a tad worried about how a defensive system that looks so solid and well drilled still manages to cough up 15 points against a rather toothless attack. You can write some of those off against the match being over after 45 mins, but still, the strength of the Tyrone bench should be enough to see it out strongly.


It wouldn't really worry me in that regard.

I think we went 1-15 to 0-08 up after about 50 minutes and McQuillan seemed to just hand out ridiculous frees for slight contact he wasn't giving up to that point, as Brolly said after the match they were sympathy frees.

A similar thing happened against Donegal, we were 1-15 to 0-06 up after 50 minutes and took our foot off the gas. When games are going like that teams will generally drop their intensity and it can be a challenge like atmosphere. I wouldn't expect us to tail off if games are in the melting pot like that.

Very solid performance. Mattie played very well but his shooting was way off, Sean not at his best yet but I think he still deserves his place, it's more his decision making that has been uncharacteristically off more than signs of age showing so I trust him to turn it around. Who takes over the short and medium range frees from the left if he's dropped in any case.

2-15 from play against Down. 11 different scorers from play.
1-19 from play against Donegal. 11 different scorers from play.

They are highly impressive scoring stats, what I would suspect is that when we play the likes of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry they will target us from deep and use systematic fouling to halt our momentum, they will look to hit us in areas where we still have obvious problems with scoring frees. The effectiveness of this will rely on how well the ref will police it, I think Kerry are by far the biggest proponents of systematic fouling in the game right now as they have serious issues in their back line, they tend to get away with it because they are Kerry and little commentary is afforded to their cynicism.

Really. I thought he was well below par and has been all year. Very lucky not to have been replaced with Cavanagh. Harte had a great game, covered serious ground and took a lot of heavy hits and just kept going.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 18, 2017, 09:45:21 AM
Tyrone never needed to get out of 3rd gear and really look a very well balanced team. Agree on the defensive point and Harte won't be happy about conceding 15 points despite a few of those coming when the game was over. Tyrone have scorers right across half back with pace to burn, what did the half back line score, something like 6 or 7 points and instrumental in many more.

As a Derry man it's hard to say but that Tyrone team are utterly superb and that's without the need for marquee forward. Who needs one of those when the spread of scores comes from all angles and all parts of the team. I fancy them for the All Ireland and I'm sure a few Tyrone supporters are quietly confident too but wouldn't dare say it out loud.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
Having watched the highlights last night I agree I may have been a bit harsh on Peter Harte. He might not have had as many scores as usual but yes he put in a a lot of work and showed great acceleration that time.

It's interesting that we're scoring so much from play this year and I think I read in the IN that we only gave away one scoreable free in the first 28 mins or something crazy like that. One of the things I like the most is we have so many players who can shoot from distance and so it's not always necessary to play the conventional way of kicking it into a forward who then turns and shoots. Actually most of the times they tried to kick it into the FF line in the first half they made a mess of the pass or else the forward was swallowed up, wheres that period in the 3rd quarter we went back to what we do best and that is running at pace and then shooting from just outside the large D.

O'Rourke made the comment that most of our scores come from MF and defence now with players arring to the attack late and then shooting from distance when everyone else is bottled up.
Spillane was still suggesting that we have no top range forwards and that we're not ruthless enough with our goal chances which will cost us in the big games.

I think back in 2003 we were also a high points scoring team and not focusing much on goals.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 10:48:15 AM
Though Tyrone have been impressive so far I don't think they are All Ireland contenders yet. I think Ulster currently lacks a genuine top team and therefore their performances need to be viewed in that context. That's not to say they aren't a top 4 team, they probably are, but I couldn't see them beat Kerry or Dublin. I suspect they'll find it much tougher to score against the top three in the country (still Dublin, Kerry and Mayo IMO) and many of the criticisms from last year will resurface before the year is out.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 18, 2017, 10:51:39 AM
Having watched the highlights last night I agree I may have been a bit harsh on Peter Harte. He might not have had as many scores as usual but yes he put in a a lot of work and showed great acceleration that time.

It's interesting that we're scoring so much from play this year and I think I read in the IN that we only gave away one scoreable free in the first 28 mins or something crazy like that. One of the things I like the most is we have so many players who can shoot from distance and so it's not always necessary to play the conventional way of kicking it into a forward who then turns and shoots. Actually most of the times they tried to kick it into the FF line in the first half they made a mess of the pass or else the forward was swallowed up, wheres that period in the 3rd quarter we went back to what we do best and that is running at pace and then shooting from just outside the large D.

O'Rourke made the comment that most of our scores come from MF and defence now with players arring to the attack late and then shooting from distance when everyone else is bottled up.
Spillane was still suggesting that we have no top range forwards and that we're not ruthless enough with our goal chances which will cost us in the big games.

I think back in 2003 we were also a high points scoring team and not focusing much on goals.

There seems to be a great obsession about having to score lots of goals to do well. In 2003 Tyrone won it without scoring a goal in the semi final or final. In 2005 and 2008  we got one goal in the finals. Dublin won an All Ireland two years ago scoring 12 points v Kerry. I'd be more worried if we were relying on goals to win games.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Stall the Bailer on July 18, 2017, 11:06:50 AM
Though Tyrone have been impressive so far I don't think they are All Ireland contenders yet. I think Ulster currently lacks a genuine top team and therefore their performances need to be viewed in that context. That's not to say they aren't a top 4 team, they probably are, but I couldn't see them beat Kerry or Dublin. I suspect they'll find it much tougher to score against the top three in the country (still Dublin, Kerry and Mayo IMO) and many of the criticisms from last year will resurface before the year is out.
Tyrone may not beat any of 3 teams you mentioned, but not seeing them as possible contenders seems a bit off. Mayo beat us by 1 point last year, we drew with Dublin in the league this year, and we appear to have improved from last year. We still have to provide it against them 3, but I don't think it would be a shock if we do beat some of them.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: seafoid on July 18, 2017, 11:09:12 AM
Having watched the highlights last night I agree I may have been a bit harsh on Peter Harte. He might not have had as many scores as usual but yes he put in a a lot of work and showed great acceleration that time.

It's interesting that we're scoring so much from play this year and I think I read in the IN that we only gave away one scoreable free in the first 28 mins or something crazy like that. One of the things I like the most is we have so many players who can shoot from distance and so it's not always necessary to play the conventional way of kicking it into a forward who then turns and shoots. Actually most of the times they tried to kick it into the FF line in the first half they made a mess of the pass or else the forward was swallowed up, wheres that period in the 3rd quarter we went back to what we do best and that is running at pace and then shooting from just outside the large D.

O'Rourke made the comment that most of our scores come from MF and defence now with players arring to the attack late and then shooting from distance when everyone else is bottled up.
Spillane was still suggesting that we have no top range forwards and that we're not ruthless enough with our goal chances which will cost us in the big games.

I think back in 2003 we were also a high points scoring team and not focusing much on goals.

There seems to be a great obsession about having to score lots of goals to do well. In 2003 Tyrone won it without scoring a goal in the semi final or final. In 2005 and 2008  we got one goal in the finals. Dublin won an All Ireland two years ago scoring 12 points v Kerry. I'd be more worried if we were relying on goals to win games.
It depends on  the rate at which the other team is scoring. GoalS can demoralise the opposition.
In a low scoring game goals win matches
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
You might catch Mayo though I think it would be like last year where you wouldn't score a whole lot and neither would they so the winner would whoever managed to get their noses in front at the end. Don't think you can beat Kerry or Dublin. The league result against Dublin means nothing IMO and I can't see anyway Tyrone could beat Dublin in the championship. IMO Tyrone are at the top of the chasing pack rather than in the leading one. For me Kerry and Dublin are clearly ahead of everyone else with Mayo the only team with any real chance of beating either and that's largely due to their experience and physicality. Maybe Tyrone have improved but I don't think the competition in Ulster is such that you can say that for definite.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 18, 2017, 11:25:18 AM
You might catch Mayo though I think it would be like last year where you wouldn't score a whole lot and neither would they so the winner would whoever managed to get their noses in front at the end. Don't think you can beat Kerry or Dublin. The league result against Dublin means nothing IMO and I can't see anyway Tyrone could beat Dublin in the championship. IMO Tyrone are at the top of the chasing pack rather than in the leading one. For me Kerry and Dublin are clearly ahead of everyone else with Mayo the only team with any real chance of beating either and that's largely due to their experience and physicality. Maybe Tyrone have improved but I don't think the competition in Ulster is such that you can say that for definite.

I don't think Ulster is any worse than the other provinces. It might not be as competitive as it was but I don't know what other one you would rank above it? It had 4 out of 8 Div 1 teams. I think it's impossible to say if Tyrone have improved into the top 3 without meeting one of Dublin, Mayo or Kerry. That's the reality. I think from looking at their play they could certainly have a good chance against Kerry and Mayo. Dublin, I'm not so sure about, as I think Tyrone, Kerry and Mayo are in the chasing pack to Dublin unfortunately. 

Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
Though Tyrone have been impressive so far I don't think they are All Ireland contenders yet. I think Ulster currently lacks a genuine top team and therefore their performances need to be viewed in that context. That's not to say they aren't a top 4 team, they probably are, but I couldn't see them beat Kerry or Dublin. I suspect they'll find it much tougher to score against the top three in the country (still Dublin, Kerry and Mayo IMO) and many of the criticisms from last year will resurface before the year is out.

And which other province has a top quality team as a litmus test?

3 of the 4 sides to progress through the qualifiers to the last 12 are from Ulster and Derry gave Mayo a big scare. Ulster is far stronger than the other provinces. Tyrone have it all to prove in the latter stages but to write them off on the basis of cruising through the toughest province is risible.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: DennistheMenace on July 18, 2017, 11:31:43 AM
Tyrone are a much better team than Mayo for me and have all the attributes to really test Dublin.

And I hate Tyrone.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2017, 11:32:07 AM
You might catch Mayo though I think it would be like last year where you wouldn't score a whole lot and neither would they so the winner would whoever managed to get their noses in front at the end..

Your doubts are not necessarily misplaced, but if you think our scoring potency hasn't significantly improved since 2016 you're simply mistaken. Whether we'll have enough is another question, for sure.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 18, 2017, 11:44:36 AM
Jesus if Tyrone had Conor McKenna back in that side they might be far away!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 18, 2017, 11:46:35 AM
Though Tyrone have been impressive so far I don't think they are All Ireland contenders yet. I think Ulster currently lacks a genuine top team and therefore their performances need to be viewed in that context. That's not to say they aren't a top 4 team, they probably are, but I couldn't see them beat Kerry or Dublin. I suspect they'll find it much tougher to score against the top three in the country (still Dublin, Kerry and Mayo IMO) and many of the criticisms from last year will resurface before the year is out.

And which other province has a top quality team as a litmus test?

3 of the 4 sides to progress through the qualifiers to the last 12 are from Ulster and Derry gave Mayo a big scare. Ulster is far stronger than the other provinces. Tyrone have it all to prove in the latter stages but to write them off on the basis of cruising through the toughest province is risible.

Tyrone
Dublin
Kerry
Roscommon
Down
Donegal
Armagh
Monaghan
Kildare
Galway
Cork

Ulster - 5
Leinster - 2
Munster - 2
Connacht - 3

Zulu, how can you say that when the stats bear out that Ulster has almost 50% of the remaining teams left in the AI series?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: BennyHarp on July 18, 2017, 11:47:50 AM
Though Tyrone have been impressive so far I don't think they are All Ireland contenders yet. I think Ulster currently lacks a genuine top team and therefore their performances need to be viewed in that context. That's not to say they aren't a top 4 team, they probably are, but I couldn't see them beat Kerry or Dublin. I suspect they'll find it much tougher to score against the top three in the country (still Dublin, Kerry and Mayo IMO) and many of the criticisms from last year will resurface before the year is out.

And which other province has a top quality team as a litmus test?

3 of the 4 sides to progress through the qualifiers to the last 12 are from Ulster and Derry gave Mayo a big scare. Ulster is far stronger than the other provinces. Tyrone have it all to prove in the latter stages but to write them off on the basis of cruising through the toughest province is risible.

I think Zulu and others quite rightly have doubts about Tyrone due to the fact that we just haven't beaten a top drawer team for a few years and have fallen short in big games in the recent past. Winning this years Ulster Championship at a canter doesn't really prove anything to the doubters but for me this team has been 3 or even 4 years in the making and each year we have improved slightly to the extent where I think we are on the verge of a break through. The squad is much better than 2013 when we lost to Mayo and we are much more disciplined defensively and more at ease going forward than in 2015 and 16. We also have grown up/matured a bit as a team and eradicated a lot of the nonsense that surrounded the team. I also think that physically we are more impressive than in recent years with the players looking super fit. This years performances add a bit of weight to my argument, however we won't know for sure until we see how they perform in a few weeks. I would be surprised if we don't see a much improved Tyrone in Croke Park this year though.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 11:56:12 AM
I never said anything about the quality of Ulster compared to the other provinces but unlike Mayo, Dublin and Kerry Tyrone haven't done much outside the province in recent years so winning Ulster doesn't prove anything re their ability to push on. Besides, Armagh didn't look much better than a Tipp team beaten by a Cork team hammered by Kerry. Monaghan struggled against a Carlow team that Dublin disposed of much more easily. Lots of Ulster teams are no better than many others around the country. The amount of teams a province gets to the latter stages is as much about the draw as anything or was Munster the strongest province last year?

Tyrone may have improved their attacking ability but I can't say I've seen it, though admittedly I have seen a huge amount. However, they didn't look great in the first half of the Ulster final and added a fair bit when the game was over and still seem to have plenty of small forwards that won't break tackles against the best teams.

It would be great if another team can genuinely challenge but I think considering Tyrone all Ireland contenders based on what we've seen is premature. I think they're due to meet Dublin in the semi finals and I just can't see them win that.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 18, 2017, 12:16:16 PM
Tyrone are much improved from the team that were beaten by Mayo last year, a team who went on to go toe for toe against Dublin.
They are obvious contenders for the AI this year, ahead of Mayo imo.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 12:19:28 PM
Compare Tyrone last year to this year.
Last year we had a similar win over Derry in the first round like we had this year, scoring 3.14.
We struggled the first day against an average enough Cavan side (0.16 - 3.07) and then blew them away in the replay (5.18 - 2.17)
We then just about scraped past a dogged but ageing Donegal side (0.13 - 0.11) who lost eventually lost to the Dubs by 5 points.

We then found it hard going against Mayo and eventually lost by a point.

This season, we have made very light work of anything we've met in Ulster and we seem to be playing with a lot more freedom and scoring much more from play. There hasn't been much talk so far about missing frees but will this become an issue again in tighter matches.

Last year we certainly had a much easier path to the final had we beaten Mayo but maybe this year we will have an easier path to the semifinal as we avoid any top 4 teams.
I think most fair minded people would still say that Kerry and dublin are the top 2 contenders with Mayo and Tyrone being the next two contenders (meaning they have a realistic chance of winning Sam)

It's very hard to judge any of those top 4 teams by their performances in their provinces. It's all about from the quarterfinals onwards and Mayo showed this more than anyone last year. They struggled through the qualifiers yet almost beat the Dubs except for two crazy ogs.

Some talk about Tyrone not beating Dublin, Kerry or Mayo since 2008.
Well, Kerry have not beaten the Dubs since 2009.
Am I right to say Mayo have not beaten Kerry since 1996?
Mayo beat the Dubs in 2012 & Donegal beat them in 2014 so could it be Tyrone/Monaghan/Armagh in 2017?  ;)

Main Street, have you married a Tyrone woman in the last year?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 12:21:57 PM
I never said anything about the quality of Ulster compared to the other provinces but unlike Mayo, Dublin and Kerry Tyrone haven't done much outside the province in recent years so winning Ulster doesn't prove anything re their ability to push on. Besides, Armagh didn't look much better than a Tipp team beaten by a Cork team hammered by Kerry. Monaghan struggled against a Carlow team that Dublin disposed of much more easily. Lots of Ulster teams are no better than many others around the country. The amount of teams a province gets to the latter stages is as much about the draw as anything or was Munster the strongest province last year?

Tyrone may have improved their attacking ability but I can't say I've seen it, though admittedly I have seen a huge amount. However, they didn't look great in the first half of the Ulster final and added a fair bit when the game was over and still seem to have plenty of small forwards that won't break tackles against the best teams.

It would be great if another team can genuinely challenge but I think considering Tyrone all Ireland contenders based on what we've seen is premature. I think they're due to meet Dublin in the semi finals and I just can't see them win that.

Neither does winning Munster or Leinster for Dublin and Kerry. It's a new year now and things have changed.

Mayo haven't beaten Kerry under Fitzmaurice or Dublin under Gavin.
Kerry haven't beaten Dublin in Championship under Gavin in 3 attempts.

This Tyrone side has only really been on the go since 2015 as a serious team, they've lost narrowly to Kerry and Mayo but they look like they have been making strides throughout. They have still to meet Dublin in Championship under Gavin.

There's not a lot between the top 4 and I'd be confident of our chances.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 18, 2017, 01:30:06 PM
Everyone seems to be afraid to say it so I will:

Tyrone WILL beat Dublin this year!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 01:44:20 PM
But Kerry and Dublin have performed at national level so their provincial performances mean nothing - they've proven themselves at national level whereas Tyrone haven't. Maybe Tyrone have improved and it's brilliant for a neutral like me if they have but I haven't seen anything that makes me think they'd beat Dublin or Kerry and there's nothing in Ulster of that quality. Kildare hammered Meath who only lost to Donegal by a great late McBrearty score. Formlines in the GAA are dodgy but Tyrone haven't played anyone close to a Dublin or Kerry yet and I think there's a gap still there.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 18, 2017, 01:48:07 PM
But Kerry and Dublin have performed at national level so their provincial performances mean nothing - they've proven themselves at national level whereas Tyrone haven't. Maybe Tyrone have improved and it's brilliant for a neutral like me if they have but I haven't seen anything that makes me think they'd beat Dublin or Kerry and there's nothing in Ulster of that quality. Kildare hammered Meath who only lost to Donegal by a great late McBrearty score. Formlines in the GAA are dodgy but Tyrone haven't played anyone close to a Dublin or Kerry yet and I think there's a gap still there.

I think that's perfectly fair. Until Tyrone beat a Dublin, Kerry or even Mayo in the championship we can't tell where we're at. The semi final against Dublin should we get there us to be seen as an opportunity to prove these credentials.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 18, 2017, 04:16:54 PM
Everyone seems to be afraid to say it so I will:

Tyrone WILL beat Dublin this year!

Easy to say that WT4E but can you give us your reasons to why you are so confident?
What do we have that Kerry don't in your view. They've not beaten Dublin since 2009.

Here's the Irish News lads discussing the matches on Sunday. I'd say some of the Southern posters might find it hard to make out some of what they say.
https://www.facebook.com/IrishNewsLtd/videos/vb.115467001813429/1812379985455447/?type=2&theater
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 18, 2017, 04:57:37 PM
What about that buckin sound system in Clones. Blastin out some shite whilst the band were doing their parade.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 18, 2017, 05:01:28 PM
Everyone seems to be afraid to say it so I will:

Tyrone WILL beat Dublin this year!

Easy to say that WT4E but can you give us your reasons to why you are so confident?
What do we have that Kerry don't in your view. They've not beaten Dublin since 2009.

Here's the Irish News lads discussing the matches on Sunday. I'd say some of the Southern posters might find it hard to make out some of what they say.
https://www.facebook.com/IrishNewsLtd/videos/vb.115467001813429/1812379985455447/?type=2&theater

I just have a feeling in my bones Fuzz!!! :) I think Tyrone is one team Dublin would fear this year!

Of course any Dublin lads I meet i'm telling them we haven't a chance IF we meet!  ;)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 18, 2017, 06:01:33 PM
But Kerry and Dublin have performed at national level so their provincial performances mean nothing - they've proven themselves at national level whereas Tyrone haven't. Maybe Tyrone have improved and it's brilliant for a neutral like me if they have but I haven't seen anything that makes me think they'd beat Dublin or Kerry and there's nothing in Ulster of that quality. Kildare hammered Meath who only lost to Donegal by a great late McBrearty score. Formlines in the GAA are dodgy but Tyrone haven't played anyone close to a Dublin or Kerry yet and I think there's a gap still there.

I haven't seen anything from Kerry that makes me think they'll beat Dublin either.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Zulu on July 18, 2017, 06:12:58 PM
Dublin would still be favourites but Kerry have beaten them in a high octane league final, ran them close last year and have, in Geaney and O'Donoghue, perhaps the two best inside forwards in Ireland. I think Kerry will beat them if they meet but they are definitely the best equipped IMO. I think you've posted that Tyrone's style is best suited to beating Dublin but I couldn't disagree more. If Tyrone set up with 14 behind the ball and attempt to run the ball on the break they'll definitely lose to Dublin. Kerry will leave more players up front and Tyrone need to do that as well IMO. Tyrone's issue is they probably don't have the type of players to stay up front and be effective.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 18, 2017, 06:20:42 PM

Main Street, have you married a Tyrone woman in the last year?
Tyrone women lack a bit of what you might call sensitivity, for my liking.
But Ï would not be surprised to hear that there are hoards of Tyrone women on the search for real men  with them being fed up with all the local wasters and drunkards. You can pass the word around that there's a huge gender deficit (female) in the Faroes. However, I don't know how desperate the local men are by now, but they might even consider a Tyrone woman.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: armaghniac on July 18, 2017, 06:48:24 PM

Main Street, have you married a Tyrone woman in the last year?
Tyrone women lack a bit of what you might call sensitivity, for my liking.
But Ï would not be surprised to hear that there are hoards of Tyrone women on the search for real men  with them being fed up with all the local wasters and drunkards. You can pass the word around that there's a huge gender deficit (female) in the Faroes. However, I don't know how desperate the local men are by now, but they might even consider a Tyrone woman.

Them Vikings have a long record of carrying off Irish woman, but probably only from coastal regions.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: twohands!!! on July 18, 2017, 11:18:36 PM
Dublin would still be favourites but Kerry have beaten them in a high octane league final, ran them close last year and have, in Geaney and O'Donoghue, perhaps the two best inside forwards in Ireland. I think Kerry will beat them if they meet but they are definitely the best equipped IMO. I think you've posted that Tyrone's style is best suited to beating Dublin but I couldn't disagree more. If Tyrone set up with 14 behind the ball and attempt to run the ball on the break they'll definitely lose to Dublin. Kerry will leave more players up front and Tyrone need to do that as well IMO. Tyrone's issue is they probably don't have the type of players to stay up front and be effective.

Yup - for me Tyrone's approach is great for beating lesser teams but I just can't see it working against Dublin.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 19, 2017, 07:51:31 AM
Whilst starting to think about this new Down tactic of being a dirty shower - I wondered out of the Tyrone team who are the lads I would count on to mix with it - open to correction (more than I thought actually)

1 – Niall Morgan – Just a keeper prob not but is a bit crazy
2 – Aidan McCrory – Don't think so
3 – Ronan McNamee – Most definitely
4 – Pádraig Hampsey – Capable I'd say
5 – Tiernan McCann – No way - wouldn't wanna spoil that tan
6 – Rory Brennan – unsure - prob not
7 – Peter Harte – not in his nature
8 – Colm Cavanagh – most definitely
9 – Conall McCann  –possibly
10 – Kieran McGeary – unsure
11 – Niall Sludden – most definitely
12 – Conor Meyler – prob not but he is ginger
13 – Mark Bradley – no way
14 – Sean Cavanagh (c) – doesn't get involved
15 – Matthew Donnelly – probably - bit like ivan drago
20 - Cathal McCarron - Most definitely
22 - Darren McCurry - not a chance - no interest in boxing just interested in not passing
25 - David Mulgrew - Young but looks like he could get involved

Hampsey is obviously the lad youd want getting stuck in if a row broke out but the problem with boxers is that they can be too disciplined for that crack.

Quick analysis of the Poland incident...

McCarron as usual in the middle of it escalating it.... the eejit
Noticed Hampsey in there two horsing the Down fella out of it that started it but kept the hands down, smart what you want in those situations
McCrory was in there too pretty quick surprisingly
Colm a bit, but he kept the head surprisingly, impressed with that.
Mattie was going for the return headlock on McGovern when he had McCarron in one, but it was a bit half hearted prob thought McCarron deserved it (he did a bit)
Tiernan calming things down when it was all over ;D..... bit of an agony aunt which is important for getting players heads right again after tempers flare
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Low and Hard on July 19, 2017, 01:31:11 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sensethetone on July 19, 2017, 01:36:12 PM
Down's first point was wide.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 19, 2017, 01:38:28 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ziggysego on July 19, 2017, 01:49:20 PM
What about that buckin sound system in Clones. Blastin out some shite whilst the band were doing their parade.

Wouldn't know, the buckin sound system doesn't reach the buckin disabled stand.

Still, gives me an opportunity to post this ;) youtu.be/wQiCvFHPUhE (http://youtu.be/wQiCvFHPUhE)
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 19, 2017, 02:00:42 PM
Down's first point was wide.

It was a great score.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: screenexile on July 19, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.

There's no London in any other County either yet I've never heard this statement by anyone else other than a Tyronie . . . I know you think people just came up with it out of nowhere but there is a reason why the country hates you!

I still think many would rather see Dublin win another All Ireland than Tyrone!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: clarshack on July 19, 2017, 02:48:07 PM
Down's first point was wide.

not that it mattered in the end, but Derry's 20th point in the minor game was well wide. 

also in the armagh/tipp game the umpire was going to award armagh a point but hawkeye correctly ruled it out.

umpires need to position themselves better and not just be standing like dummies at the post all the time.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sensethetone on July 19, 2017, 02:49:53 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.

There's no London in any other County either yet I've never heard this statement by anyone else other than a Tyronie . . . I know you think people just came up with it out of nowhere but there is a reason why the country hates you!

I still think many would rather see Dublin win another All Ireland than Tyrone!

Is the reason we beat ye by 11 points two years on the trot?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: shawshank on July 19, 2017, 03:02:03 PM
Things we did before Tyrone, first; won a senior national league, second; won an All Ireland senior title through the front door, third; in Tyrones first back door game ever, we beat you in Clones, precious!!

We set the standards you aspired too.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: nrico2006 on July 19, 2017, 03:02:55 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.

There's no London in any other County either yet I've never heard this statement by anyone else other than a Tyronie . . . I know you think people just came up with it out of nowhere but there is a reason why the country hates you!

I still think many would rather see Dublin win another All Ireland than Tyrone!

Is the reason we beat ye by 11 points two years on the trot?

Its actually a compliment to be 'hated'.  Nobody hates Derry simply because youse are dung.  If youse were any use you would have your fair share of critics.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: sensethetone on July 19, 2017, 03:11:15 PM
Things we did before Tyrone, first; won a senior national league, second; won an All Ireland senior title through the front door, third; in Tyrones first back door game ever, we beat you in Clones, precious!!

We set the standards you aspired too.

Can't argue with that, but see if we ever beat Derry and not let them score in the first half yiz will hear about it lol
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 19, 2017, 03:11:44 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

Tramps. We'll be back!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 19, 2017, 03:13:39 PM
I think some of the Armagh hatred for Tyrone over the years has subsided for many but the red arses still seem to have a bee in their bonnett for us. I suppose I can understand it to a certain extent but the current team don't have much dirty or cynical players like Derry used to hate back in the 90s or 00s.

Any Down fan I met after the game on Sunday was very hopeful for our chances and said would love us to go on and beat the Dubs. I think if we don't go back into our defensive shell like last year then a lot of neutrals would like to see Tyrone challenge Dublin and Kerry.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 03:14:18 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 19, 2017, 03:22:04 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?

Does a season just comprise senior county football. Perhaps you are another Club Tyrone band-wagoner with little interest in your mediocre standard of club football.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ziggysego on July 19, 2017, 03:22:40 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?

The Minors were playing.


I was there 30 mins before the minor match, wanted to watch it. Around me, the majority of Tyrone supporters were cheering for Derry, myself included. Only one was supporting Monaghan.

So whilst a few may be at that behaviour, to tar the entire county as that...... makes you wonder why so many of us supported Doire in the first place.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 19, 2017, 03:24:21 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?

The Minors were playing.


I was there 30 mins before the minor match, wanted to watch it. Around me, the majority of Tyrone supporters were cheering for Derry, myself included. Only one was supporting Monaghan.

So whilst a few may be at that behaviour, to tar the entire county as that...... makes you wonder why so many of us supported Doire in the first place.


Minors is different Ziggy. Not having that one LOL.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 19, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?

The Minors were playing.


I was there 30 mins before the minor match, wanted to watch it. Around me, the majority of Tyrone supporters were cheering for Derry, myself included. Only one was supporting Monaghan.
The blue shirt was it?
I suppose we (in free Ulster) all look the same to you Tyronies.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Il Bomber Destro on July 19, 2017, 03:38:18 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?

Does a season just comprise senior county football. Perhaps you are another Club Tyrone band-wagoner with little interest in your mediocre standard of club football.

I just asked if Derry's season was over.

I was wondering what Derry lads were doing outside of the clubs threads. Off to the rugby club for you this summer so, old chap.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 19, 2017, 04:39:29 PM
Isn't Derry's season over?

Does a season just comprise senior county football. Perhaps you are another Club Tyrone band-wagoner with little interest in your mediocre standard of club football.

I just asked if Derry's season was over.

I was wondering what Derry lads were doing outside of the clubs threads. Off to the rugby club for you this summer so, old chap.

Its the off-season chum. Sure you know that being a closet......rugby fan.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: screenexile on July 19, 2017, 05:01:35 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.

There's no London in any other County either yet I've never heard this statement by anyone else other than a Tyronie . . . I know you think people just came up with it out of nowhere but there is a reason why the country hates you!

I still think many would rather see Dublin win another All Ireland than Tyrone!

Is the reason we beat ye by 11 points two years on the trot?

Its actually a compliment to be 'hated'.  Nobody hates Derry simply because youse are dung.  If youse were any use you would have your fair share of critics.

But you've always been hated even when you were dung!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: red hander on July 19, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.

There's no London in any other County either yet I've never heard this statement by anyone else other than a Tyronie . . . I know you think people just came up with it out of nowhere but there is a reason why the country hates you!

I still think many would rather see Dublin win another All Ireland than Tyrone!

Is the reason we beat ye by 11 points two years on the trot?

Its actually a compliment to be 'hated'.  Nobody hates Derry simply because youse are dung.  If youse were any use you would have your fair share of critics.

But you've always been hated even when you were dung!!

Aw, diddums. In my memory, and I've been going to games for years, the first time that particular song was sung was in direct response to cocky inbreds singing 'There's no Sam Maguire in Tyrone' not long after Derry won their only All-Ireland. It soon shut the inbreds up, and they've been living in our shadow ever since. For my part, I'd rather see Linfield win an All-Ireland before Derry, and the way things are going, they are likely to do so before any man from Derry ever climbs the steps of the Hogan Stand again  ;D
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: reddgnhand on July 19, 2017, 06:01:36 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

Heard the chants and I was embarrassed and disgusted by it. The people chanting that sort of shite are arseholes plain and simple. It offends me just as much as any Derry man.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 19, 2017, 06:10:34 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

Heard the chants and I was embarrassed and disgusted by it. The people chanting that sort of shite are arseholes plain and simple. It offends me just as much as any Derry man.

I'm no fan either, bad form, and long since past time it ceased! :(
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: JoG2 on July 19, 2017, 06:14:41 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

'No London in Tyrone'.

Never gets old.

There's no London in any other County either yet I've never heard this statement by anyone else other than a Tyronie . . . I know you think people just came up with it out of nowhere but there is a reason why the country hates you!

I still think many would rather see Dublin win another All Ireland than Tyrone!

Is the reason we beat ye by 11 points two years on the trot?

Its actually a compliment to be 'hated'.  Nobody hates Derry simply because youse are dung.  If youse were any use you would have your fair share of critics.

But you've always been hated even when you were dung!!

Aw, diddums. In my memory, and I've been going to games for years, the first time that particular song was sung was in direct response to cocky inbreds singing 'There's no Sam Maguire in Tyrone' not long after Derry won their only All-Ireland. It soon shut the inbreds up, and they've been living in our shadow ever since. For my part, I'd rather see Linfield win an All-Ireland before Derry, and the way things are going, they are likely to do so before any man from Derry ever climbs the steps of the Hogan Stand again  ;D

Go on ye boy ye!

Sure didn't Oisin McCloskey not climb the steps of the Hogan Stand a couple of months ago?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 19, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

Heard the chants and I was embarrassed and disgusted by it. The people chanting that sort of shite are arseholes plain and simple. It offends me just as much as any Derry man.

I'm no fan either, bad form, and long since past time it ceased! :(

Ah lads it used to make me a bit uneasy to but the Derry wans reaction soon helps you forget about that.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omaghjoe on July 19, 2017, 08:42:05 PM
Watched Hampsey's (or Hampshey/ :D ) interview there.... unnnn-real!,.... un-ba-lay-vabel!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Aughafad on July 19, 2017, 09:11:42 PM
Seems to me that people are really dragging up the slightest morsel of wrongdoing to justify their hatred of tyrone. Haters are gonna hate.

Btw i was in the duffy terrace when the minors crossed behind the goals and most people where focused on the senior game bar the very odd derry supporter and i didn't hear any abuse or sledging
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 19, 2017, 09:20:59 PM
Good to see the Derry wans getting their knickers in a twist again. Sure sign Tyrone's doing something right.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: square_ball on July 19, 2017, 09:26:54 PM
Watched Hampsey's (or Hampshey/ :D ) interview there.... unnnn-real!,.... un-ba-lay-vabel!

See you westies slagging of us easties! Sooner the county is split in two the better!!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 19, 2017, 10:15:30 PM
Watched Hampsey's (or Hampshey/ :D ) interview there.... unnnn-real!,.... un-ba-lay-vabel!

See you westies slagging of us easties! Sooner the county is split in two the better!!

I wholeheartedly concur with this statement.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: reddgnhand on July 19, 2017, 10:19:07 PM
Seems to me that people are really dragging up the slightest morsel of wrongdoing to justify their hatred of tyrone. Haters are gonna hate.

Btw i was in the duffy terrace when the minors crossed behind the goals and most people where focused on the senior game bar the very odd derry supporter and i didn't hear any abuse or sledging

Time for a battery change in your hearing aid.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 19, 2017, 10:58:58 PM
Good to see the Derry wans getting their knickers in a twist again. Sure sign Tyrone's doing something right.

They're wearing knickers now?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: tc_manchester on July 20, 2017, 08:22:04 AM
Things we did before Tyrone, first; won a senior national league, second; won an All Ireland senior title through the front door, third; in Tyrones first back door game ever, we beat you in Clones, precious!!

We set the standards you aspired too.
Well the standards have dropped. When it comes to Ulster titles you are the second worst county in Ulster
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Low and Hard on July 20, 2017, 09:11:38 AM
Seems to me that people are really dragging up the slightest morsel of wrongdoing to justify their hatred of tyrone. Haters are gonna hate.

Btw i was in the duffy terrace when the minors crossed behind the goals and most people where focused on the senior game bar the very odd derry supporter and i didn't hear any abuse or sledging

Time for a battery change in your hearing aid.

I was sitting in pat mcgrane on far 45 and it was clear as day. I hate the chant at the best of times but the fact it was aimed at 17/18 year olds who just won an Ulster title made it all the worse.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 20, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
If you hear the chant so clear it's surprising that you didn't know what it was.


Anyway, hilarious to see Morgan reply to that mouth from Rory stories. Called Morgan a coward pm Twitter, Morgan replied to him said what he said and Rory shit his togs and ended congratulating him.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 20, 2017, 10:25:46 AM
Good to see the Derry wans getting their knickers in a twist again. Sure sign Tyrone's doing something right.

They're wearing knickers now?

Just the men. The weeman don't tend to wear anything.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 20, 2017, 11:21:22 AM
If you hear the chant so clear it's surprising that you didn't know what it was.


Anyway, hilarious to see Morgan reply to that mouth from Rory stories. Called Morgan a coward pm Twitter, Morgan replied to him said what he said and Rory shit his togs and ended congratulating him.

Were you in the vicinity??
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 20, 2017, 11:41:11 AM
If you hear the chant so clear it's surprising that you didn't know what it was.


Anyway, hilarious to see Morgan reply to that mouth from Rory stories. Called Morgan a coward pm Twitter, Morgan replied to him said what he said and Rory shit his togs and ended congratulating him.

Were you in the vicinity??

Thankfully not. If say the reek off him would have knocked small ass
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Moortown Spuds on July 20, 2017, 11:43:20 AM
Tyrone fans were singing cheerio to the Donegal fans in the semi. Seemed to be restricted to the western terraces. I would go to more Tyrone games if there were less Tyrone fans there and the further they go into the summer the more obnoxious hanger ons will appear. I suppose its a problem every county has.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 20, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
Tyrone fans were singing cheerio to the Donegal fans in the semi. Seemed to be restricted to the western terraces. I would go to more Tyrone games if there were less Tyrone fans there and the further they go into the summer the more obnoxious hanger ons will appear. I suppose its a problem every county has.

Is that behind the goals? Is that not the kids section or is it now the beer bus section?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 20, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
What did Morgan say?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: WT4E on July 20, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
Tyrone fans were singing cheerio to the Donegal fans in the semi. Seemed to be restricted to the western terraces. I would go to more Tyrone games if there were less Tyrone fans there and the further they go into the summer the more obnoxious hanger ons will appear. I suppose its a problem every county has.

Agreed happens in every county - it gets highlighted and becomes more apparent when your county is more successful which is a shame. Have heard it from both sides - embarrassed by my own supporters and also heard it from other counties.

Was sat beside a dublin "fan" at 2015 AI final. One of the worst I've heard - he was singing God Save the Queen to a couple of Armagh Girls in front of me as he had previously found out who they where and they had been cheering on Kerry!

There are idiots everywhere - even in Derry!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 20, 2017, 12:01:01 PM
Tyrone fans were singing cheerio to the Donegal fans in the semi. Seemed to be restricted to the western terraces. I would go to more Tyrone games if there were less Tyrone fans there and the further they go into the summer the more obnoxious hanger ons will appear. I suppose its a problem every county has.

Agreed happens in every county - it gets highlighted and becomes more apparent when your county is more successful which is a shame. Have heard it from both sides - embarrassed by my own supporters and also heard it from other counties.

Was sat beside a dublin "fan" at 2015 AI final. One of the worst I've heard - he was singing God Save the Queen to a couple of Armagh Girls in front of me as he had previously found out who they where and they had been cheering on Kerry!

There are idiots everywhere - even in Derry!

Course there are. Go to Derry club football if you want to see the worst! However if I was a Tyrone man and a fellow supporter started that London carryon I'd pull him up for it! That's just my take on it.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 20, 2017, 12:12:07 PM
A bit like Hill 16 I suppose, you tend to get the young drunken fans who make the noise and shout the obscenities who go for the cheaper stand tickets. When you're in your teens or earlier twenties you see this as creating a bit of an atmosphere and enjoy acting the goat. The Donegal wans also tend to bring a big crowd of these type over the last few years and I agree it tends to be when you're team is doing well.

There will always be fans like this who see it as a day out to get drunk and in their eyes have a bit of crack at any cost. Whilst it is not nice to listen to, I'm sure the Derry minors weren't too put out by it and have heard a lot worse.

On another note, I don't like the way players respond to fans & pundits using social media. I always just think it's opening a can of worms that can come back to annoy them. I thought Morgan had toned down his attitude but this latest incident no doubt will raise his profile in the wrong way and will put him under more pressure for any games he plays in Croker from here on in. Hill 16 will be giving him hell should we ever met the Dubs.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 20, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Agree with all of that Fuzz. I think Morgan let himself down a bagful.

If he was going to post, just apologise for your actions (regardless if you feel you were in the right) or else say nothing.

He's not the only clown on twitter mind you! Every county has them.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Jayop on July 20, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
No problem with what he said on Twitter or how it makes him a clown. He was called a coward Ffs. Why wouldn't he reply to that. That gobshite Rory was the coward who soon stopped his mouthing when replied to.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 20, 2017, 03:09:38 PM
IMHO he is a quite a high profile GAA football player and should be mature enough now to ignore what people write about him on twitter or any social media, especially with what happened in the last few years.

His free taking has already suffered in big matches because he's upped the ante by reacting to the crowd and other players. He's just causing more trouble for himself by replying on twitter as far as I can see.
It's a bit like Diarmuid Connolly in that people know they can get to him by his reactions so they will try to entice him more.

I would imagine in the next game you will see the other team (or their fans), especially if it's Monaghan or Armagh, try to get in his head and jeer him with every kickout or free.

I think Rory probably used the wrong word in coward but I'd say Morgan knows himself it looked bad and he probably regretted what he done right away. If he was clever he would have moved on and not comment on it again. However, by tweeting a reply means he highlights it all again.
The Dubs on Hill16 love giving the other team's keepers a hard time anyway but you mark my words, should we end up playing them, there will be huge pressure on him should he be hitting any 45s or long range frees.

https://twitter.com/niallmorgan01/status/886937020249067521
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 20, 2017, 03:12:42 PM
No problem with what he said on Twitter or how it makes him a clown. He was called a coward Ffs. Why wouldn't he reply to that. That gobshite Rory was the coward who soon stopped his mouthing when replied to.

What did Morgan say?
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 20, 2017, 03:38:39 PM
No problem with what he said on Twitter or how it makes him a clown. He was called a coward Ffs. Why wouldn't he reply to that. That gobshite Rory was the coward who soon stopped his mouthing when replied to.

What did Morgan say?

More or less "you're not sticking your chest out now." It was in reference to O'Hanlon chest bumping/shouldering Monaghan players after  he hit free kicks in the semi. Harmless stuff but it's the aesthetics of the action that are the problem.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 20, 2017, 04:55:05 PM
Tyrone fans were singing cheerio to the Donegal fans in the semi. Seemed to be restricted to the western terraces. I would go to more Tyrone games if there were less Tyrone fans there and the further they go into the summer the more obnoxious hanger ons will appear. I suppose its a problem every county has.


Some of them tried to get it going in The Hill during the final too.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Hedgehunter on July 20, 2017, 09:34:56 PM
I also previously had a lot of respect for Tyrone and their fans. But the downright garbage and cockiness/arrogance coming out their mouths was just plain ridiculous. Lost a lot of respect from me.. Every feckin 2 minutes "Show him your medals Sean,show him your medals" petty it may be. I'm used to talking to fellow gaels about football in general and asking about each other's clubs etc but to tell people you'd be embarrassed if you lost just lacks class.. Tyrone fans lack class..
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Moortown Spuds on July 20, 2017, 10:03:40 PM
I see people at Tyrone games (when I attend) or know of their attendance through social media that do absolutely nothing for their clubs, nothing to promote the game in their local community, don't attend club games and would hide behind their sofa if a ticket seller appeared.

I would imagine these are the moronic personnel that spout the diatribe at games.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 21, 2017, 07:44:36 AM
Not sure if it's been said bit Darren McCurry's ball into O'Neill for his lobbed finish was sumptuous!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Onthe40 on July 21, 2017, 09:23:20 AM
I see people at Tyrone games (when I attend) or know of their attendance through social media that do absolutely nothing for their clubs, nothing to promote the game in their local community, don't attend club games and would hide behind their sofa if a ticket seller appeared.

I would imagine these are the moronic personnel that spout the diatribe at games.

The downside of the Season ticket..these people will get their seats (and probably better ones) in croker long before the loyal club man who supports the county too, but maybe couldnt afford one...
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: BennyHarp on July 21, 2017, 09:50:37 AM
Tyrone fans chanting 'Theres no ******derry in Tyrone' to the young Derry minors when they were walking to their seats in first half of senior game. Was really bad taste IMO. And they wonder why other counties don't like them ::)

Tramps. We'll be back!

Agreed, it takes a serious level of feckin moron to stand and shout that bullshit at a football match and unfortunately every county has them. But it also takes a serious level of moron to get annoyed by it. My first encounter with this silly chant was circa 1994/5  and was in response to a "There's no f*ckin Sam in Tyrone". Those where the days of a serious rivalry though and as that level of rivalry no longer exists, there's no need for the nonsense to continue today.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: ONeill on July 21, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
I also previously had a lot of respect for Tyrone and their fans. But the downright garbage and cockiness/arrogance coming out their mouths was just plain ridiculous. Lost a lot of respect from me.. Every feckin 2 minutes "Show him your medals Sean,show him your medals" petty it may be. I'm used to talking to fellow gaels about football in general and asking about each other's clubs etc but to tell people you'd be embarrassed if you lost just lacks class.. Tyrone fans lack class..

All counties have them. There was a Down family behind me and the c word was used repeatedly by the mother and the father in front of their children, directed at Tyrone players.

Every county has them and I wouldn't judge an entire county on that. But go ahead anyway.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 21, 2017, 10:39:41 AM
I see people at Tyrone games (when I attend) or know of their attendance through social media that do absolutely nothing for their clubs, nothing to promote the game in their local community, don't attend club games and would hide behind their sofa if a ticket seller appeared.

I would imagine these are the moronic personnel that spout the diatribe at games.

The downside of the Season ticket..these people will get their seats (and probably better ones) in croker long before the loyal club man who supports the county too, but maybe couldnt afford one...

Would dispute the way you have tried to portray season ticket holders above. Anyone from my own club that I see at games would be the same people I'd also see down following the club. If as you say the loyal club men also support the county then the season ticket wont work out dear for them as its cheaper per game. I do appreciate that there are some clashes with club activity during the year but for most people there is no reason you cant support both.

I think there are around 1200 season ticket holders in Tyrone, these are the people who go to watch and support Tyrone all year and are as entitled to anyone to a good ticket at the final. From going to the games all year I've never noticed much bad behaviour from any of the season ticket holders. They generally get behind the team but the chanting and stuff people referred to above about Derry certainly wasn't coming from the season ticket section.

If people were simply paying money to get All Ireland tickets there would be more merit in your point. But you have to attend 60% of all games in the year including league so the people are following the team all year. Many club people get the tickets as you are entitled to a lot of games for a cheaper price, decent seats and less hassle having to run after tickets for the big games. I'm sure there are some county only supporters who for example live outside the county now or for some other reason don't have an allegiance to their club but this is no reason to stop them following the county team all year.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 21, 2017, 10:51:49 AM
I see people at Tyrone games (when I attend) or know of their attendance through social media that do absolutely nothing for their clubs, nothing to promote the game in their local community, don't attend club games and would hide behind their sofa if a ticket seller appeared.

I would imagine these are the moronic personnel that spout the diatribe at games.

The downside of the Season ticket..these people will get their seats (and probably better ones) in croker long before the loyal club man who supports the county too, but maybe couldnt afford one...

Would dispute the way you have tried to portray season ticket holders above. Anyone from my own club that I see at games would be the same people I'd also see down following the club. If as you say the loyal club men also support the county then the season ticket wont work out dear for them as its cheaper per game. I do appreciate that there are some clashes with club activity during the year but for most people there is no reason you cant support both.

I think there are around 1200 season ticket holders in Tyrone, these are the people who go to watch and support Tyrone all year and are as entitled to anyone to a good ticket at the final. From going to the games all year I've never noticed much bad behaviour from any of the season ticket holders. They generally get behind the team but the chanting and stuff people referred to above about Derry certainly wasn't coming from the season ticket section.

If people were simply paying money to get All Ireland tickets there would be more merit in your point. But you have to attend 60% of all games in the year including league so the people are following the team all year. Many club people get the tickets as you are entitled to a lot of games for a cheaper price, decent seats and less hassle having to run after tickets for the big games. I'm sure there are some county only supporters who for example live outside the county now or for some other reason don't have an allegiance to their club but this is no reason to stop them following the county team all year.

It's not season ticket holders, it's bus fulls of Gobsh!tes fueled up on their white lightening/ Buckfast/ Prosecco (For the mucksavages) who do it.

Clowns
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Taylor on July 21, 2017, 11:09:34 AM
 ;D

Love this sort of stuff.

Hammered our team for years saying how dirty we were/sledging etc etc etc.

Not our team are whiter than white it is our supporters getting the brunt of it.

Must be doing something right.

Teams know how close we are to the promised land
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 21, 2017, 11:15:30 AM
Totally agree with O'Neill above in not judging a county by a few experiences you had over the years.

There are always going to be different types of fans at any sport and most fans travel by car in small groups and are quite quit and respectful to others. There will always be though buses of fans who get into the large group roudy mode and when drink is added it is only going one direction.
I can understand lads having a few drinks after a game but I can never really get this get hammered before the game stuff.

Anyway, the worst fan I ever experienced was at the AI semifinal back in 2008 when Tyrone played Wexford of all teams. I was sitting in the lower Cusack on my own and this family of dad, mum and 2 kids probably under 12. Well what that mother didn't say that day must not have been worth saying. I looked around several times and shook my head and the dad looked and me and rolled his eyes to heaven.
It was actually that bad I got up after about 50 mins and moved to another seat.

Of course these days I have to listen to loads of Dubs giving the poor Mayo ones hell. Hopefully that will change soon.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: redhandefender on July 21, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
In recent years have got loads of guff from Mayo, Donegal and the Dubs during and after games. Also seen a load of Tyrone ones slabbering and it really is horrible stuff and embarrassing. Its usually older folk who can't see to keep it in their head or drunk young lads. Unfortuantely the more successful you get the more it happens.

Ridiculous to say its a purely tyrone problem though. That crowd behind the goals are from one club in tyrone in particular who always get absolutely tanked and a bus down. They would not be liked at all but what can you do!

Some of the stuff I heard from mayo and don last few years was sickening when you have followed the team all year only to get your heart ripped to pieces. Vowed I would remind them when in winning position but actually felt bad for them in ulster semi final and was disgusted by some aul fella shouting cheerio, I told him to shut up te f**k.

Season ticket holders certainly aren't to blame, they are normally the rich reserved crowd
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Fuzzman on July 21, 2017, 05:07:55 PM
Apparently the atmosphere down in Killarney when Kerry beat us in the qualifiers was very nasty. I wasn't there myself but I heard they Kerry crowd were a disgrace.
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 21, 2017, 05:12:40 PM
I remember getting serious abuse after Dublin beat us in 07. But an hour later I was drinking pints with some great Dubs.

Every county has them. Its up to the decent fans to tell them to put a sock in it!
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: Main Street on July 21, 2017, 08:30:34 PM
No problem with what he said on Twitter or how it makes him a clown. He was called a coward Ffs. Why wouldn't he reply to that. That gobshite Rory was the coward who soon stopped his mouthing when replied to.

What did Morgan say?

More or less "you're not sticking your chest out now." It was in reference to O'Hanlon chest bumping/shouldering Monaghan players after  he hit free kicks in the semi. Harmless stuff but it's the aesthetics of the action that are the problem.
Was that all it was about?
Morgan has a bit of humor,  considering.....
Title: Re: Ulster Final: Tyrone v Down 16/07/17 14.00 Clones
Post by: omagh_gael on July 21, 2017, 09:17:16 PM
Sticking up for our Monaghan friends, MS. We're not all bad.