Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Main Street]

Dogs of War
https://twitter.com/i/status/1571209800213561345

'A dog named Lyalya participated in full liberation of Kupiansk together with Kraken division. '

[Itchy]

Well said itchy, let he without sin and all that

Whataboutery nonsense
I am without sin and I call them torture chambers.

It wasn't whataboutery, I was just noting the lack of technology etc that Russians have in their torture Chambers compared to countries like the UK and USA which are much more advanced. Of course all torture Chambers are great and very important for armies to have to get info to "Save lives"

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/news/ukraine/2022/0919/1324135-ukraine-russia/

With its battlefield losses mounting, the Russian army is seeking contract soldiers for what it calls the "special military operation" in Ukraine, and is offering nearly $3,000 a month as an incentive.

A special unit stationed a recruitment truck in the southern city of Rostov on the weekend and masked soldiers handed out brochures titled "Military service on a contract -the choice of a real man."

Where does this leave Gillette?

https://youtu.be/OAkVDCqVY6w

[armaghniac]

[seafoid]

Putin is in a hole. Currently Ukraine is classed as a special operation. If he wants to intensify it then it becomes a war. But Putin is worried about public reaction to him personally. Because he is quite weak. 

[armaghniac]

Putin is in a hole. Currently Ukraine is classed as a special operation. If he wants to intensify it then it becomes a war. But Putin is worried about public reaction to him personally. Because he is quite weak.

He had a half baked idea that he could sieze Hostomel airport, send a few hundred troops into Kyiv, seize the government buildings and install a puppet likely that crook Yanukovych. Once that failed he was in trouble

[keep her low this half]

Putin is in a hole. Currently Ukraine is classed as a special operation. If he wants to intensify it then it becomes a war. But Putin is worried about public reaction to him personally. Because he is quite weak.

He had a half baked idea that he could sieze Hostomel airport, send a few hundred troops into Kyiv, seize the government buildings and install a puppet likely that crook Yanukovych. Once that failed he was in trouble

And therein lies the problem with long established dictators. No-one is brave enough to tell them a hard truth as they are afraid of the shoot the messenger syndrome. It is easy to be a nodding dog and progress when times are good so people do.

No-one told Putin that his army was corrupt and half assed as he didn't want to hear that. They genuinely believed that the Ukranians would welcome them with open arms and that the west would do nothing. Colossal mistake for an ex KGB officer to make. Huge intelligence failings.

[armaghniac]

And therein lies the problem with long established dictators. No-one is brave enough to tell them a hard truth as they are afraid of the shoot the messenger syndrome. It is easy to be a nodding dog and progress when times are good so people do.

No-one told Putin that his army was corrupt and half assed as he didn't want to hear that. They genuinely believed that the Ukranians would welcome them with open arms and that the west would do nothing. Colossal mistake for an ex KGB officer to make. Huge intelligence failings.

If he ever was a good intelligence officer, which is doubtful, then while living in the Kremlin he has lost touch.
I'd say the Queen of England managed to keep a better understanding of the world after 70+ years in power, possibly because people did not think that she would have them thrown out a window.

[Main Street]

Well said itchy, let he without sin and all that

Whataboutery nonsense
I am without sin and I call them torture chambers.

It wasn't whataboutery, I was just noting the lack of technology etc that Russians have in their torture Chambers compared to countries like the UK and USA which are much more advanced. Of course all torture Chambers are great and very important for armies to have to get info to "Save lives"

'He is who without  sin and all that' implies the whataboutery aspect.
I say we should apply equal critical examination over Russia's toxic sludge of an invasion as we do towards USA/NATO's unjust wars of aggression.
Russia has already committed the most serious of war crimes by invading Ukraine and since then there has been a tissue of horrible war crimes committed by their shít for brains army.
Even in a city like Kharkiv which once had a strongish Russian connection, has totally shifted over to Ukraine identity. The Baltic states plus the Nordic countries and Poland have 100% supported Ukraine right from the beginning. Maybe they understand the stakes better, more than anybody in western europe. Whataboutery is the mantra of the kremlin's propaganda, peddled by their world wide contingent of 'useful idiots'.
They even convinced the whole world that they had an invincible army of great military prowess

[Wildweasel74]

Very little of the Ukrainians had strong Russian identity, they hated them well bck into the early 1930's.Famine a major cause  of the hate, in a way lot like here. They welcomed the Germans and held parades for them, only to be massacred by them as they saw them as a, lesser race.

[seafoid]

Very little of the Ukrainians had strong Russian identity, they hated them well bck into the early 1930's.Famine a major cause  of the hate, in a way lot like here. They welcomed the Germans and held parades for them, only to be massacred by them as they saw them as a, lesser race.

That's true but around 20% or so of Ukrainians are Russian speakers and live in the East and in Crimea. Shakhtar Donetsk come from a russian speaking area.

[Wildweasel74]

You think the majority of Ukrainians would speak Russia but like us and English. Most Polish if the old era could speak Russian, German foreby Polish, now they all over here, they added English to their repertoire.

[Main Street]

(Left) Nazi Invasion of Ukraine, 1943, Kharkiv. (Right) russian Invasion of Ukraine, 2022, Kharkiv.

[Main Street]

Very little of the Ukrainians had strong Russian identity, they hated them well bck into the early 1930's.Famine a major cause  of the hate, in a way lot like here. They welcomed the Germans and held parades for them, only to be massacred by them as they saw them as a, lesser race.

That's true but around 20% or so of Ukrainians are Russian speakers and live in the East and in Crimea. Shakhtar Donetsk come from a russian speaking area.

You do realise that hordes of  Russians were planted into Ukraine, that's how you tally Russians in the nearby republics, by the horde.
The % of Russian speakers means nothing in a country where Ukrainian was a degraded language until independence was obtained with  90% of the vote  supporting it in a referendum. Zelensky was not fluent in the Ukrainian language and had to brush up rapidly after the invasion. Many older people were only taught Russian in schools.
The important stat is how many Ukrainians identify as being Ukrainian, that's estimated to being over 90% at present and that's a rock solid identification.

[seafoid]

Long range US missiles are a hoor

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0920/1324322-ukraine/Russia's Black Sea fleet has relocated some of its submarines from port of Sevastopol in Crimea to Novorossiysk in Krasnodor Krai in southern Russia, the British military has said.

https://www.ft.com/content/0d41cd08-eab3-44e0-a16e-1aa22bb6beb3
Ukrainian officials say they have been forced to ration ammunition to a few strikes a day. "We know all the co-ordinates, all the locations of Russian depots and command and control stations — [the lack of ammunition] is limiting the Ukrainian ability to truly change the situation on the ground," said one official.  


https://mobile.twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1556687445311340545The Pentagon will allocate another $1 billion in military aid to Ukraine. This package includes additional ammunition for HIMARS, ATACMS, Javelin and 75,000 155-mm shells