Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Wildweasel74]

Don't understand these public announcements on weapons, any weapons from countries should just be forwarded on instead of grand announcements. Even in war political parties in all countries try to make gains out of serious events for their own benefit.

[Main Street]

Is it right that there is no opposition party in Ukraine ?

Who was funding the opposition?

Ha ha! And who pulls Zelensky's strings?! And who got rid of Yanukovych?! You know, there's all sorts of murky stuff going on. I think it's a bit rich 'the west' arming Ukraine so that Ukraine will essentially do the west's fighting, almost by proxy. But, of course, Ukraine is the one taking all the punishment. It's as, I think it was PadraicHenryPearse said: instead of egging on Ukraine to fight to the death, they should be guiding them towards a settlement.
The other thing that bemuses me is the EU suddenly fast-tracking EU membership for Ukraine. Much of what goes on there would just not sit well w/ 'EU values', and the championing of Ukrainian sovereignty and nationalism also seems to go against EU goals.

Total gibberish, you are easily bemused.
So what settlement do you propose might happen? considering that any talks that have happened so far were conducted while  Russia were bombarding Ukraine cities and towns, refusing to hold a ceasefire. Yes I did listen to a spokesperson from PBP go on about a negotiated settlement  and referred to the protests against the war in  Russian cities as a positive and something which should be supported.
What universe do these People Before Profit idiots inhabit? Considering that most every protest against the war in Russia has been intimidated off the streets under pain of severe prosecution or directly dragged to jails and prosecuted, how on earth  does our PBP rep imagine that such protests can be supported?  Maybe sending a strong letter of disapproval to the Russian embassy?

[Eire90]

The thing is Russia is not even communists anymore they are  right wing nationalists back by orthodox church and even when they were communists they were authoritarian so i dont understand why the some lefties in Ireland think they are great. Some people still think Russia  is communists you have right wing trump supporters supporting Putin because they think he's the last saviour of white fundamentalists Christianity then you  have conspiracy people  in Ireland thinking putin is great aswell.A  jeep with a z sign was spotted in Ireland today.im worried some might even do something bad to Ukrainian refugees as we have well known conspiracy people in some circles in ireland calling all Ukrainians Nazis.

[johnnycool]

Is it right that there is no opposition party in Ukraine ?

Who was funding the opposition?

Same people funding the Tories.

[armaghniac]

It seems that the Russian warship has in fact f***ed itself, as previously recommended.

[seafoid]

It seems that the Russian warship has in fact f***ed itself, as previously recommended.

https://www.ft.com/content/9604cdb2-63cc-4da6-8968-059948955cf1

The loss of the Moskva is a significant loss . . . in terms of credibility for the Russian forces, regardless of how it happened," a western official said. If it has been vulnerable to a missile attack by Ukrainians, "that questions Russia's competence", the official said,

if the sinking were "because of a fire which then resulted in the detonation of its magazine, where ammunition is stored, that is also incompetence". Either way it is a "massive blow to Russia's sense of pride in its military . 

[seafoid]

Earlier in the war

https://www.ft.com/content/60170757-2fad-4db9-b959-2fc088cc4bc6

The envoy played a recording of a radio conversation between Russian naval vessels and the lightly armed Ukrainian border guards stationed on the island. Korsunsky said the Russian vessels had twice demanded the Ukrainians lay down their weapons and surrender or be destroyed. "The answer was 'go f**k yourself'," said Korsunski, adding that the Russians then obliterated the structures on the island, killing the 13 guards stationed there.

That was the Moskva


https://www.ft.com/content/d73a3262-09f4-4045-8ce0-7bfe3ddc896e

The Moskva's sinking was met with jubilation in Ukraine. Resistance to the ship became an early symbol of the fight against Russia when Ukrainian troops, ordered by the Moskva to surrender, responded by saying: "Russian military vessel, go f**k yourself.

[armaghniac]

Earlier in the war

https://www.ft.com/content/60170757-2fad-4db9-b959-2fc088cc4bc6

The envoy played a recording of a radio conversation between Russian naval vessels and the lightly armed Ukrainian border guards stationed on the island. Korsunsky said the Russian vessels had twice demanded the Ukrainians lay down their weapons and surrender or be destroyed. "The answer was 'go f**k yourself'," said Korsunski, adding that the Russians then obliterated the structures on the island, killing the 13 guards stationed there.

That was the Moskva


https://www.ft.com/content/d73a3262-09f4-4045-8ce0-7bfe3ddc896e

The Moskva's sinking was met with jubilation in Ukraine. Resistance to the ship became an early symbol of the fight against Russia when Ukrainian troops, ordered by the Moskva to surrender, responded by saying: "Russian military vessel, go f**k yourself.

In fact not everyone in the island was killed, the Russians shelled it and then sent in marines, but several of the Ukrainians were taken prisoner.

The Ukraine issued a postage stamp to commemorate the occasion, this went on sale a couple of days ago. The guys that fired the missiles sank the ship that day, probably getting more success than they had even hoped for.

[Main Street]

I read that Claire and Mick have been surgically exposed by Naomi O'Leary in the IT  for what they are, hypocrites and ideologically bankrupt.
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1515228143086354435

It's a pity, though Mick was always a bit of a dullard but Claire had potential in the Irish political context to effect the pursuit of 'truth, justice, and a better tomorrow'.  Why she and Mick chose to seek election to the European Parliament was a curious choice but after reading the article and having observed their conduct in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, their choice makes sense and not of the honest ideological sort.
It's a strange irony that they have refused to answer questions about their conduct set by Naomi, have called for her to be expelled from the Euro parliament and have initiated libel proceedings against her in Ireland despite their public stance of support for a free press and  taking a stand against such libel actions to shut down investigations.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I read that Claire and Mick have been surgically exposed by Naomi O'Leary in the IT  for what they are, hypocrites and ideologically bankrupt.
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1515228143086354435

It's a pity, though Mick was always a bit of a dullard but Claire had potential in the Irish political context to effect the pursuit of 'truth, justice, and a better tomorrow'.  Why she and Mick chose to seek election to the European Parliament was a curious choice but after reading the article and having observed their conduct in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, their choice makes sense and not of the honest ideological sort.
It's a strange irony that they have refused to answer questions about their conduct set by Naomi, have called for her to be expelled from the Euro parliament and have initiated libel proceedings against her in Ireland despite their public stance of support for a free press and  taking a stand against such libel actions to shut down investigations.

she spend a year doing it she said and all she did was rehash old tweets from Clare and Mick, hardly ground breaking....she measured mentions  in chinese media for f**k sake, she says they protested the deaths of children in Donbass a key justification of Russian invasion...She could have done the same for most govt. minister who have met the Saudis, UK, US, Russians politicians etc.  Xxxx met Saudi Crown Prince, his govt is responsible for 377k direct and indirect deaths in Yemen, militarily supported by The US and UK which supplies the weapons for the slaughter... at least no govt minister met any of them.

she makes a big deal of their refusal to talk to her but she herself blocked two journalists who quote tweeted her tweets... are they suing her or Rte?

[Dag Dog]

Do people like Clare Daly who set out their stall as justice campaigners always veer into madness eventually, or was she mad all along but it was kept under wraps?

[Main Street]

Do people like Clare Daly who set out their stall as justice campaigners always veer into madness eventually, or was she mad all along but it was kept under wraps?

There's a long tradition of west european left/peace campaigners who only criticized NATO. The German Green movement only campaigned to disarm western Europe and supported the existence of East Germany under Honecker and communism, no quid pro quo deescalation.
The west european peace/left  movements did not campaign against or  criticize USSR imperialism and the chronic political, economic and social suppression of so called satellite states in east europe
SF the Workers Party in Ireland is a case in point, from its inception - an Eoghan Harris masterpiece https://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/iir.pdf  only condemned USA imperialism and peppered their manifesto with marxist leninist dogma. Later the Workers Party still aligned itself with International communism, pro USSR. They disintegrated into various splits when the USSR broke up.

This is a high profile gig for Clare and Mick. It's a gravy train for a Euro mp who actively supports Assad/Iran  and their proxies in Iraq, bellow loud about NATO/USA and silent about Russia military aggression. When they peddle their mantra 'no weapons to Ukraine', they are de facto supporting Russia's invasion and ambitions in Ukraine.  And this in context of months of international  attempts to negotiate a settlement pre invasion. If they don't get reelected, there's always the option to join lost politicians George Galloway  and Alex Salmond on Russia Today.

[trailer]

I read that Claire and Mick have been surgically exposed by Naomi O'Leary in the IT  for what they are, hypocrites and ideologically bankrupt.
https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1515228143086354435

It's a pity, though Mick was always a bit of a dullard but Claire had potential in the Irish political context to effect the pursuit of 'truth, justice, and a better tomorrow'.  Why she and Mick chose to seek election to the European Parliament was a curious choice but after reading the article and having observed their conduct in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, their choice makes sense and not of the honest ideological sort.
It's a strange irony that they have refused to answer questions about their conduct set by Naomi, have called for her to be expelled from the Euro parliament and have initiated libel proceedings against her in Ireland despite their public stance of support for a free press and  taking a stand against such libel actions to shut down investigations.

Difficult to understand why people elect them.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Do people like Clare Daly who set out their stall as justice campaigners always veer into madness eventually, or was she mad all along but it was kept under wraps?

There's a long tradition of west european left/peace campaigners who only criticized NATO. The German Green movement only campaigned to disarm western Europe and supported the existence of East Germany under Honecker and communism, no quid pro quo deescalation.
The west european peace/left  movements did not campaign against or  criticize USSR imperialism and the chronic political, economic and social suppression of so called satellite states in east europe
SF the Workers Party in Ireland is a case in point, from its inception - an Eoghan Harris masterpiece https://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/iir.pdf  only condemned USA imperialism and peppered their manifesto with marxist leninist dogma. Later the Workers Party still aligned itself with International communism, pro USSR. They disintegrated into various splits when the USSR broke up.

This is a high profile gig for Clare and Mick. It's a gravy train for a Euro mp who actively supports Assad/Iran  and their proxies in Iraq, bellow loud about NATO/USA and silent about Russia military aggression. When they peddle their mantra 'no weapons to Ukraine', they are de facto supporting Russia's invasion and ambitions in Ukraine.  And this in context of months of international  attempts to negotiate a settlement pre invasion. If they don't get reelected, there's always the option to join lost politicians George Galloway  and Alex Salmond on Russia Today.

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1496873424760844304?t=OVZS2Usgwd9N_nIk5nIWJw&s=19

Can you read the statement and advise where they are calling for what you continually "peddle".. they have articulated their position clearly... you continually misrepresent it.

[Main Street]

Do people like Clare Daly who set out their stall as justice campaigners always veer into madness eventually, or was she mad all along but it was kept under wraps?

There's a long tradition of west european left/peace campaigners who only criticized NATO. The German Green movement only campaigned to disarm western Europe and supported the existence of East Germany under Honecker and communism, no quid pro quo deescalation.
The west european peace/left  movements did not campaign against or  criticize USSR imperialism and the chronic political, economic and social suppression of so called satellite states in east europe
SF the Workers Party in Ireland is a case in point, from its inception - an Eoghan Harris masterpiece https://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/iir.pdf  only condemned USA imperialism and peppered their manifesto with marxist leninist dogma. Later the Workers Party still aligned itself with International communism, pro USSR. They disintegrated into various splits when the USSR broke up.

This is a high profile gig for Clare and Mick. It's a gravy train for a Euro mp who actively supports Assad/Iran  and their proxies in Iraq, bellow loud about NATO/USA and silent about Russia military aggression. When they peddle their mantra 'no weapons to Ukraine', they are de facto supporting Russia's invasion and ambitions in Ukraine.  And this in context of months of international  attempts to negotiate a settlement pre invasion. If they don't get reelected, there's always the option to join lost politicians George Galloway  and Alex Salmond on Russia Today.

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1496873424760844304?t=OVZS2Usgwd9N_nIk5nIWJw&s=19

Can you read the statement and advise where they are calling for what you continually "peddle".. they have articulated their position clearly... you continually misrepresent it.

I have read that statement and replied to it before in this thread, as the first tweeted reply states it's complete utter drivel, de facto support of Russia's  war and ambitions under some nonsense of a UN negotiated settlement.
How long  do we wait for that settlement  while Mick and Clare campaign for Ukraine to be virtually disarmed and emasculated of any bargaining power, while Ukrainian towns  cities are being bombarded to rubble. Not just drivel but also first class hypocrisy.