Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

Started by Main Street, February 12, 2022, 09:38:45 PM

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Wildweasel74

I wonder the age of some posters on here, trying to portray Russia as hard done by.A nation with a history of been run by dictator, I remember the 80's, the iron curtain, , Russia has bullied smaller nations as much as possible since the communists took over after WW1. They had no problem invading Finland, no problem invading Poland, They got caught by the Nazis by been best bed buddys with them. Great Britain went to war with Germany for invading Poland yet half it was took over by Russia and they were, allies with them. Ask any Polish of a certain age, they all feared Russia invading again, All the smaller countries in the region wanted to join Nato out of fear. These smaller countries are no benefit to Nato (outside of the big 4) but  refusal to let a country join Nato would be seen as a weakness by Russia.

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Main Street

Genocide Definition
Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
   a.   Killing members of the group;
   b.   Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
   c.   Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
   d.   Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
   e.   Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
   1.   A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
   2.   A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
   ◦   Killing members of the group
   ◦   Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
   ◦   Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
   ◦   Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
   ◦   Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

IN UKRAINE we have

The mental aspect:
Russia has overtly and repeatedly stated their intention to destroy and absorb Ukraine by force.
Russia says there is no Ukrainian state.
Russia says there is no Ukrainian language.

The physical aspect:

Russia by their own admission operates "filtration camps" and has forcible deported around 1+ million Ukrainians to Russia
Russia has forcibly seized and deported Ukrainian children with the intention that they be "raised as Russian not Ukrainian"-or sell to their sex trade
Russia prevents deported Ukrainians from leaving Russia.
The Russians invaded with "kill lists" in hand with the intent of killing significant numbers of Ukrainians for various reasons.
Ukrainians are forced via various means to forfeit their status as Ukrainians and become Russian. Notably Ukrainian citizens are fired from their jobs, cannot receive the government pensions they rely on, cannot receive food assistance. The goal is to pressure Ukrainians to surrender their passport and citizenship through coercive means, and participate in Russian political society instead - for example, by voting in the sham referendums.
Ukrainians who oppose the policy of forced Russianization are tortured and murdered.
Ukrainian men in the captured territories who previously served in the armed forces are tortured and murdered.
Ukrainian citizens who served in local or regional governments who will not collaborate are tortured and murdered.
Ukrainian citizens in general are subject to torture rape and murder at whim in revenge attacks by Russian soldiers as a result of losses to the Ukrainian Army.
Ukrainian citizens near the front are killed en masse via indiscriminate artillery fire. tens of thousands were killed in Mariupol.
Ukrainian citizens behind the front line are killed in frequent attacks against nonmilitary targets which are purely intended to kill civilians.

Within living memory (1920s-30s) the USSR murdered somewhere around 7 million Ukrainians via forced famine, showing that there is an historical desire within Russia to literally exterminate the Ukrainian population.

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PadraicHenryPearse

suicide bombings en vogue now.

I wouldn't be holding up Meta as anything good . Google meta and palestine and the recent report... Also aren't the west censoring Russia media, seems if its on our terms we are happy like suicide bombings..

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Milltown Row2

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

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The Kremlin is already amplifying the genocidal rhetoric against Ukraine,  in response to being labelled a terrorist state.

https://www.understandingwar.org/
Oct 12, 2022 - Press ISW

Russia has seemingly intensified its information operation to falsely portray Ukraine as a terrorist state, likely to set information conditions to counter efforts to designate Russia as a terrorist state. Several Russian sources made unverified claims that Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) officers detained Ukrainian citizens for allegedly planning "terrorist attacks" in Sverdlovsk, Moscow, and Bryansk oblasts on October 12.
Russian milbloggers relatedly amplified rhetoric accusing Ukraine of being a terrorist state and calling for Russian authorities to enhance "counterintelligence" procedures and formally designate Ukraine as a terrorist state.
Claims of preparations for alleged and subversive Ukrainian activity in Russia align with a wider attempt to set information conditions to respond to Ukrainian attempts to formally designate Russia a terrorist state, especially in the wake of recent massive attacks on critical Ukrainian infrastructure and residential areas. The Russian information space may also be setting conditions to justify further massive strikes on Ukrainian rear areas; although, as ISW has previously assessed, these tactics are part of the Russian way of war and will likely be utilized regardless of informational conditions. Russian authorities may also be setting conditions for false-flag attacks against Russia framed as Ukrainian-perpetrated acts of terrorism.



Main Street

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2022, 01:39:22 PM


What's his view on the girls singing up the RA?

Hmmmm.   stalking and attempted thread hijacking,  all in the one post.

That's 2 yellow cards ref !! 

Main Street

Finally the Russia Army hit a military target in Ukraine,  in Lviv region, a Kalibr missile hit a semi-abandoned military vehicles storage. Nobody was hurt.

Ukraine successfully hit an ammo depot in Belgorod, 50km inside actual sacred mother Russia.
https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1580596600165892105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Nuclear armageddon or just another Kremlin sabre rattling.

Harvest of Despair (Holodomor)  The 1933 Ukraine famine documentary,
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4FYb5Yz2fyjF/
7-12 m Ukrainians starved to death in the largest genocide by famine in world history.

As per Kremlin's professional useful idiot dogma, Mick, Clare and Ming deny this was a deliberate genocide act against Ukraine, just as they deny the infamous Stalin Gulags, instead claiming them to be  idyllic educational work camps.

PadraicHenryPearse

Yemen facing 'outright catastrophe' over rising hunger, warn UN humanitarians.... Happening right now..... The current level of hunger in Yemen is indeed unprecedented. Despite ongoing humanitarian assistance, 17.4 million Yemenis are food insecure and in need of assistance to ward off the risk of famine and this number is set to rise to 19 million by December 2022.  war is great... 7 years!

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burdizzo

Yeah, this is only for NATO propaganda.

PadraicHenryPearse

#883
Quote from: Main Street on October 14, 2022, 02:17:32 AM
Failed attempt to hijack thread.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the west and its war monger supporters... this war is highlighting this hypocrisy very clearly...

keep up the cheerleading...

Armagh18

Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on October 14, 2022, 07:37:12 AM
Quote from: Main Street on October 14, 2022, 02:17:32 AM
Failed attempt to hijack thread.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the west and its war monger supporters... this war is highlighting this hypocrisy very clearly...

keep up the cheerleading...
in fairness (for once) the West aren't attacking innocent civillians nor are they brainwashing young men to go die in a war that has nothing to do with them. 

You can condemn Russia in this war while also condemn western actions in the many conflicts going back years and years.