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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #780 on: September 16, 2022, 08:04:40 PM »




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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #781 on: September 18, 2022, 01:28:14 AM »
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #782 on: September 18, 2022, 10:02:29 PM »
Well said itchy, let he without sin and all that
Whataboutery nonsense
I am without sin and I call them torture chambers.

It wasn't whataboutery, I was just noting the lack of technology etc that Russians have in their torture Chambers compared to countries like the UK and USA which are much more advanced. Of course all torture Chambers are great and very important for armies to have to get info to "Save lives"

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #783 on: September 19, 2022, 08:01:31 AM »
https://www.rte.ie/news/ukraine/2022/0919/1324135-ukraine-russia/

With its battlefield losses mounting, the Russian army is seeking contract soldiers for what it calls the "special military operation" in Ukraine, and is offering nearly $3,000 a month as an incentive.

A special unit stationed a recruitment truck in the southern city of Rostov on the weekend and masked soldiers handed out brochures titled "Military service on a contract -the choice of a real man."

Where does this leave Gillette?

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #784 on: September 19, 2022, 11:41:58 AM »

If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #785 on: September 19, 2022, 12:55:53 PM »
Putin is in a hole. Currently Ukraine is classed as a special operation. If he wants to intensify it then it becomes a war. But Putin is worried about public reaction to him personally. Because he is quite weak. 
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #786 on: September 19, 2022, 01:57:07 PM »
Putin is in a hole. Currently Ukraine is classed as a special operation. If he wants to intensify it then it becomes a war. But Putin is worried about public reaction to him personally. Because he is quite weak.

He had a half baked idea that he could sieze Hostomel airport, send a few hundred troops into Kyiv, seize the government buildings and install a puppet likely that crook Yanukovych. Once that failed he was in trouble
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #787 on: September 19, 2022, 03:36:23 PM »
Putin is in a hole. Currently Ukraine is classed as a special operation. If he wants to intensify it then it becomes a war. But Putin is worried about public reaction to him personally. Because he is quite weak.

He had a half baked idea that he could sieze Hostomel airport, send a few hundred troops into Kyiv, seize the government buildings and install a puppet likely that crook Yanukovych. Once that failed he was in trouble
And therein lies the problem with long established dictators. No-one is brave enough to tell them a hard truth as they are afraid of the shoot the messenger syndrome. It is easy to be a nodding dog and progress when times are good so people do.

No-one told Putin that his army was corrupt and half assed as he didn't want to hear that. They genuinely believed that the Ukranians would welcome them with open arms and that the west would do nothing. Colossal mistake for an ex KGB officer to make. Huge intelligence failings.

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #788 on: September 19, 2022, 04:11:00 PM »
And therein lies the problem with long established dictators. No-one is brave enough to tell them a hard truth as they are afraid of the shoot the messenger syndrome. It is easy to be a nodding dog and progress when times are good so people do.

No-one told Putin that his army was corrupt and half assed as he didn't want to hear that. They genuinely believed that the Ukranians would welcome them with open arms and that the west would do nothing. Colossal mistake for an ex KGB officer to make. Huge intelligence failings.

If he ever was a good intelligence officer, which is doubtful, then while living in the Kremlin he has lost touch.
I'd say the Queen of England managed to keep a better understanding of the world after 70+ years in power, possibly because people did not think that she would have them thrown out a window.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #789 on: September 19, 2022, 08:22:25 PM »
Well said itchy, let he without sin and all that
Whataboutery nonsense
I am without sin and I call them torture chambers.

It wasn't whataboutery, I was just noting the lack of technology etc that Russians have in their torture Chambers compared to countries like the UK and USA which are much more advanced. Of course all torture Chambers are great and very important for armies to have to get info to "Save lives"
'He is who without  sin and all that' implies the whataboutery aspect.
I say we should apply equal critical examination over Russia's toxic sludge of an invasion as we do towards USA/NATO's unjust wars of aggression.
Russia has already committed the most serious of war crimes by invading Ukraine and since then there has been a tissue of horrible war crimes committed by their shít for brains army.
Even in a city like Kharkiv which once had a strongish Russian connection, has totally shifted over to Ukraine identity. The Baltic states plus the Nordic countries and Poland have 100% supported Ukraine right from the beginning. Maybe they understand the stakes better, more than anybody in western europe. Whataboutery is the mantra of the kremlin's propaganda, peddled by their world wide contingent of 'useful idiots'.
 They even convinced the whole world that they had an invincible army of great military prowess :D






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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #790 on: September 19, 2022, 08:49:46 PM »
Very little of the Ukrainians had strong Russian identity, they hated them well bck into the early 1930's.Famine a major cause  of the hate, in a way lot like here. They welcomed the Germans and held parades for them, only to be massacred by them as they saw them as a, lesser race.

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #791 on: September 19, 2022, 08:53:22 PM »
Very little of the Ukrainians had strong Russian identity, they hated them well bck into the early 1930's.Famine a major cause  of the hate, in a way lot like here. They welcomed the Germans and held parades for them, only to be massacred by them as they saw them as a, lesser race.
That's true but around 20% or so of Ukrainians are Russian speakers and live in the East and in Crimea. Shakhtar Donetsk come from a russian speaking area.
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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #792 on: September 19, 2022, 08:57:49 PM »
You think the majority of Ukrainians would speak Russia but like us and English. Most Polish if the old era could speak Russian, German foreby Polish, now they all over here, they added English to their repertoire.

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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #793 on: September 20, 2022, 12:54:36 AM »
(Left) Nazi Invasion of Ukraine, 1943, Kharkiv. (Right) russian Invasion of Ukraine, 2022, Kharkiv.



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Re: Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022
« Reply #794 on: September 20, 2022, 01:23:22 AM »
Very little of the Ukrainians had strong Russian identity, they hated them well bck into the early 1930's.Famine a major cause  of the hate, in a way lot like here. They welcomed the Germans and held parades for them, only to be massacred by them as they saw them as a, lesser race.
That's true but around 20% or so of Ukrainians are Russian speakers and live in the East and in Crimea. Shakhtar Donetsk come from a russian speaking area.
You do realise that hordes of  Russians were planted into Ukraine, that's how you tally Russians in the nearby republics, by the horde.
The % of Russian speakers means nothing in a country where Ukrainian was a degraded language until independence was obtained with  90% of the vote  supporting it in a referendum. Zelensky was not fluent in the Ukrainian language and had to brush up rapidly after the invasion. Many older people were only taught Russian in schools.
The important stat is how many Ukrainians identify as being Ukrainian, that's estimated to being over 90% at present and that's a rock solid identification.