Derry Club Football & Hurling original

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statto

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on December 06, 2024, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 06, 2024, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on December 06, 2024, 02:36:14 PMIs St Patricks Academy a Down or Antrim Schools?

Why isnt there a Belfast Selection like there is with Derry City?

Are you for real?

The Academy have been in 5 finals since 2010 and you don't know where they are from?

Dungannon which is neither in Antrim or Down!

Apologies my mistake; when I was googling it it was coming up as Lisburn School. Too many St Pats Schools I get mixed up haha.

Why is there no Antrim School or selection surely this is a severe disadvantage to football in the county.
Antrim would normally get selection of players playing in Macrory through St Ronan's/Magherafelt most years. 

Real Talk

We'd need to find specialist Man-markers to replace Chrissy and Clucky.

tbrick18

Quote from: Real Talk on December 09, 2024, 03:03:05 PMWe'd need to find specialist Man-markers to replace Chrissy and Clucky.

What's the story with McCloskey?

BigGreenField

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on December 06, 2024, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 06, 2024, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on December 06, 2024, 02:36:14 PMIs St Patricks Academy a Down or Antrim Schools?

Why isnt there a Belfast Selection like there is with Derry City?

Are you for real?

The Academy have been in 5 finals since 2010 and you don't know where they are from?

Dungannon which is neither in Antrim or Down!

Apologies my mistake; when I was googling it it was coming up as Lisburn School. Too many St Pats Schools I get mixed up haha.

Why is there no Antrim School or selection surely this is a severe disadvantage to football in the county.


Lots of "border" lads playing with Ronan's, Magherafelt and Maghera. For the city lads there is an element of practically on an amalgamation namely traffic - could take 40 mins to 1hour each way for the travelling players to make a mid week school session. Aquinas and Knock could join together and potentially Rathmore/Marys but even for those it would be a challenge.

That's before you question do amalgamations give a short term headline but limited long term benefits.


Real Talk

Quote from: BigGreenField on December 09, 2024, 03:24:55 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on December 06, 2024, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: Mikhailov on December 06, 2024, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on December 06, 2024, 02:36:14 PMIs St Patricks Academy a Down or Antrim Schools?

Why isnt there a Belfast Selection like there is with Derry City?

Are you for real?

The Academy have been in 5 finals since 2010 and you don't know where they are from?

Dungannon which is neither in Antrim or Down!

Apologies my mistake; when I was googling it it was coming up as Lisburn School. Too many St Pats Schools I get mixed up haha.

Why is there no Antrim School or selection surely this is a severe disadvantage to football in the county.


Lots of "border" lads playing with Ronan's, Magherafelt and Maghera. For the city lads there is an element of practically on an amalgamation namely traffic - could take 40 mins to 1hour each way for the travelling players to make a mid week school session. Aquinas and Knock could join together and potentially Rathmore/Marys but even for those it would be a challenge.

That's before you question do amalgamations give a short term headline but limited long term benefits.


Quote from: tbrick18 on December 09, 2024, 03:06:31 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on December 09, 2024, 03:03:05 PMWe'd need to find specialist Man-markers to replace Chrissy and Clucky.

What's the story with McCloskey?

My understanding is that he as a groin injury which will take a long time
(didn't play in the Championship game with Magherafelt!!) to heal and that because he  is a particularly quick play he may not be available for the League campaign ... hope I'm wrong

OakLeaf

Quote from: Real Talk on December 09, 2024, 03:53:44 PMMy understanding is that he as a groin injury which will take a long time
(didn't play in the Championship game with Magherafelt!!) to heal and that because he  is a particularly quick play he may not be available for the League campaign ... hope I'm wrong

I hope so too. Ideally we'd have him back for the last couple of league games, but bad groin injuries are very difficult to heal.

NotedObserver

Will mccluskey play in the full back line or would Derry like him out the pitch to provide driving runs?

Wildweasel74

Nope. Still be corner back, it's his best spot.

oakleaflad


Mario

Quote from: oakleaflad on December 10, 2024, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:24:46 PMNope. Still be corner back, it's his best spot.
Would agree with this
It depends on what the half backline looks like. If there is no mcgrogan or McEvoy id play him half back. He's one of the fittest and fastest players in the country. The game is going to be ridiculously fast. You can't have players like that locked up in a 3 man defence not able to leave their 45

oakleaflad

Quote from: Mario on December 10, 2024, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 10, 2024, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:24:46 PMNope. Still be corner back, it's his best spot.
Would agree with this
It depends on what the half backline looks like. If there is no mcgrogan or McEvoy id play him half back. He's one of the fittest and fastest players in the country. The game is going to be ridiculously fast. You can't have players like that locked up in a 3 man defence not able to leave their 45
I don't know. You'll need pace in those 3 inside defenders too and man marking ability. I'd keep him at corner back. Not truly sold on Bakers 1v1 defending even though he's done quite well overall. Will be interesting to see if McEvoy is at 3 or 6.

statto

Quote from: Mario on December 10, 2024, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 10, 2024, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:24:46 PMNope. Still be corner back, it's his best spot.
Would agree with this
It depends on what the half backline looks like. If there is no mcgrogan or McEvoy id play him half back. He's one of the fittest and fastest players in the country. The game is going to be ridiculously fast. You can't have players like that locked up in a 3 man defence not able to leave their 45
I'd agree with this.Games going to change and line breakers are going to be key around the middle 8.this be even more evident at club level.

tbrick18

Quote from: statto on December 10, 2024, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Mario on December 10, 2024, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 10, 2024, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:24:46 PMNope. Still be corner back, it's his best spot.
Would agree with this
It depends on what the half backline looks like. If there is no mcgrogan or McEvoy id play him half back. He's one of the fittest and fastest players in the country. The game is going to be ridiculously fast. You can't have players like that locked up in a 3 man defence not able to leave their 45
I'd agree with this.Games going to change and line breakers are going to be key around the middle 8.this be even more evident at club level.

I think that we will still crowd defence (defence is Tally's mo after all) and McCloskey will still be corner back. We'll want to stop those 2pointers so that's why I think defence will be crowded as much as possible. There will still be more space than in recent years, so we need to defend against goals and he's arguably our top CB now.
Won't stop him going forward, we'll just drop someone else in when he does. Leaving 3 forward, still gives us 12 to defend with - switching to attack is where the major change will be. Probably more focus on early ball in with 2/3 runners from deep - so I see the HF's and MF playing more traditional attacking roles than previously.

I actually think we could struggle in MF more than in defence on kickouts - we don't have enough height out there to consistently win long kicks. That's not to take away from Glass/Rogers who are excellent.

Can anyone confirm, the 3 players in your own half rule, does that include the keeper or is it the Keeper plus 3 outfield players that must stay in your own half?

Either way, I think the days of sweeper keeper are done with these rules and we won't see forays out the field either - which I think is a shame.

shawshank

Are you serious. Outfield keepers will be crucial now. Imagine 12 v 11 inside the 65. 4 or 5 attacking players going inside the 20m line to leave a 6v5 or 5v4 in a sweat box from the 65m to 20m line to set up two pointers. This will be the biggest innovation and teams whose keepers bring that extra value.

p3427977

Quote from: tbrick18 on December 11, 2024, 10:28:47 AM
Quote from: statto on December 10, 2024, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Mario on December 10, 2024, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on December 10, 2024, 11:58:23 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2024, 10:24:46 PMNope. Still be corner back, it's his best spot.
Would agree with this
It depends on what the half backline looks like. If there is no mcgrogan or McEvoy id play him half back. He's one of the fittest and fastest players in the country. The game is going to be ridiculously fast. You can't have players like that locked up in a 3 man defence not able to leave their 45
I'd agree with this.Games going to change and line breakers are going to be key around the middle 8.this be even more evident at club level.

I think that we will still crowd defence (defence is Tally's mo after all) and McCloskey will still be corner back. We'll want to stop those 2pointers so that's why I think defence will be crowded as much as possible. There will still be more space than in recent years, so we need to defend against goals and he's arguably our top CB now.
Won't stop him going forward, we'll just drop someone else in when he does. Leaving 3 forward, still gives us 12 to defend with - switching to attack is where the major change will be. Probably more focus on early ball in with 2/3 runners from deep - so I see the HF's and MF playing more traditional attacking roles than previously.

I actually think we could struggle in MF more than in defence on kickouts - we don't have enough height out there to consistently win long kicks. That's not to take away from Glass/Rogers who are excellent.

Can anyone confirm, the 3 players in your own half rule, does that include the keeper or is it the Keeper plus 3 outfield players that must stay in your own half?

Either way, I think the days of sweeper keeper are done with these rules and we won't see forays out the field either - which I think is a shame.
It's the keeper plus 3.