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I'd certainly go for both Glass and Rogers from a Derry perspective ahead of McGuigan.

Describing McGuigan as one of the top forwards in the country depends on how wide a net you're casting.

Are you saying he's not?

Where has this rush to annoint Rian as the best player in the country come from ffs? And I don't mean "from Armagh".

Agree, he didnt do much v Derry in his first game back as was to be expected. Last year he won an all star but was no where near poty. What has he done to be now challenging Clifford. Based on a couple of 2 pointers v thr Dubs. Very good player but feels premature.

Meath behind Derry and Down . Would you go away out of that

I'd be fairly confident that Derry with their squad from the weekend would beat anyone below them and I'd fancy us to beat Monaghan, Tyrone and Mayo too. Issue is we only get to play the top 4 teams every week.

If Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.

What rubbish is this? In what way did Derry "deserve" the win there? McKinless was brutal.

Two very jammy goals for Galway, one of which should have been a sideline ball for Derry. We also played better than Galway bar a 15 min period

If Derry got what they deserved Galway would be out. Now they have a game against a team that has qualified top of group. Fine margins.

When are we ever going to get a break. Great performance that deserved a win.

We spend the whole season in GAA talking about contenders. Form is irrelevant until the last group game really. Not too many tipped Armagh this time last year. Tyrone were a contender last week now they aren't. Dublin were finished now they are a contender. Doesn't seem to happen in other sports.

Very negative tbrick. A few tactical tweaks on the kickouts and a couple of players back would make a big difference. I certainly didn't see a lack of effort from any player. I think we have a good chance v Galway.

The game got away from us in the third quarter but outside that I thought we did well first half against the slight breeze and was happy to go in 3 down, we also finished very strong, which was a welcome change from the league.

You say we've missed our opportunity like this team has won nothing. Only one team can win the AI and even at our best that was unlikely.

It was clearly a head injury not a blood stoppage, although there was plenty of blood too

Hurson decided to abandon the blood substitution rules today. It seems the current rule to is stop the play and treat the player on the field for however long it takes. Must say the announcement of that rule change had escaped me.

I noticed Shane McGuigan telling the N25 to get tae f**k when he tried to come on to blood sub replace Glass. Tally hasn't got 100% control of that operation

Id say Tally was happy enough not to have to sub Glass. Id doubt he'd be annoyed by that intervention by McGuigan

Armagh have never lost when Gordon Lyons has been in attendance

He's a Derry man, surprised he left early with the comeback on

If the breach is "accidental" it's a free from the half way line.

What happened after that was so frustrating a bad pass to McGuigan from the free which he spilled when he should have caught it and then Armagh get a 2 pointer.

Ethan Doherty was back to his best which was great to see.

As everyone has said I just can't understand why we let Rafferty get so many shorts away, baffling, and ours are just 50/50 contests.

Said the same about the warm up too. So lethargic, night and day compared to what they used to be like. I was fearful before game but we did ok 1st half against slight breeze

Very concerning second half from Armagh when the game was over looked in trouble when Derry ran at them.

Derry really struggled throughout game competing on breaks around middle and Armagh were much better side outside the last 5 mins of first half and last ten minutes.

Thought Glass fought a gallant battle on own at times in game Higgins improved things in second half. Glass took on a two pointer late on when Derry had momentum and was the wrong choice had 4/5 men to his left, this was just after mcguigan had missed a chance for a two pointer which expected him get.

Positives for Armagh was Rian getting 55 mins and some minutes for Grimley and McElroy.  2-21 is good scoring.

I thought the first half was close to 50 50, McGuigan gave a soft ball after after the 3 man infringement free touching it on the ground and Armagh got a 2 pointer. Tohill missed a sitter on the buzzer that was the difference in the first half. Third quarter Armagh blew us away. 4th quarter we were excellent but gave ourselves too much to do. We missed enough to get something from that game. Armaghs first goal was very lucky too.

The difference is in the goalkeepers, 80% of Armaghs kickouts are uncontested. Ours are 50/50 battles. If Rafferty is in nets for Derry we win that game. Need lynch back for Galway.

Glad to see a bit of fight and something to take into the next game. I don't think we are far away if a few things go our way.

There will be no hooter at this game if it's not on TV?

It's easy to say that with hindsight. The first year in D2 under RG we narrowly missed out on promotion due to a controversial decision v Roscommon. The second year it was the main goal for the year, we needed to get promoted for the teams development and that meant picking a strong side for the opening league game v Limerick after Glen just lost the AI final.

The only way to blood players these days is win a few games in D1 so you don't get relegated then play them after that, like Donegal did this year. If you are in D2 you want to get out of it asap. I can't think of many games were Armagh didn't pick the strongest team available to them in D2.

Lads, please stop with the codology. If Armagh don't win this by 10 plus points it'll have been a bad performance.

The last 2 times you've played us you've won by 15 and 11 points respectively and we're worse now. It's a total foregone conclusion!!

Yeah be very surprised if Derry can mount a challenge.

A bit of Mayo about that team; light up front with one exceptional forward in McGuigan.

Toner and Loughlin wouldnt make most teams in Ulster.

The 6 forwards named have played regularly over the past two or three seasons.  Murray will be a loss but the rest have been regular starters and Derry should have more concerns about other areas of pitch.  For all their complaints about injuries Derry full out would expect 12 of their players to either start or play a big role from the bench, outside the keeper and the 2 newbies. 

This is exactly the point, our first 1-17 are much better than 18-25, the drop off is enormous so any injuries means the level of the team drops significantly. That's not the case for Armagh or Donegal. Our success came during a 2 or 3 year period where we barely had an injury.