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Funny old game, all logic before the game pointed to a comfortable Liverpool win yet United deserved the win in that match but for an error by Rojo and Young caught napping allowed Liverpool in to grab a draw. Has been plenty of cristism towards Ole but today he got his tactics spot on and made the European champions look very ordinary for most of that match.

Based on what? They had less shots on goal and less possession and the goal came from a clear foul.

Based on Souness and Klopp both confirming Liverpool where happy to escape with a draw. Don't you have Sky Geoff??
Did you not hear the boos ring around the stadium when the 5 minutes went up for additional time 🤣

Yis were delighted to come away with the point, complete under the cosh.

But Ole's at the wheel. He'll defo keep yis up.

30 years and counting  since you won the league. Don't fcuk this one up!  ;D I've seen more than enough league wins  to keep me happy until Ole or whoever gets it right again.
Champions of Europe. Suck it up moron.
But haven't been champions of your own league in 30 years? Wise up. The ECL is an add on like when United won in 99 and 08. If you don't win your own league is not worth talking about as you only embarrass yourself

So if you win all-Ireland through back door, is it not worth talking about, you are a typical Tyronie bitter and resentful as hell bet you are under 5" 6 ;D

Jeez, your inferiority-complex sure is manifesting itself tonight!   :o ;D

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   https://www.ft.com/content/495776a6-f039-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195

   Manchester United under pressure to perform on and off the pitch
      
            Club faces first fall in income for more than a decade this season

                  Murad Ahmed, Sports Correspondent
      
               October 18 2019
         
         
            
         "   When Liverpool face Manchester United at Old Trafford on Sunday, a victory for the visiting team would cement their position at the top of the Premier League. But a loss for Manchester United could — depending on scorelines in other matches — plunge the home side into the relegation zone by the end of the weekend. Such an outcome would further expose the gulf between the bitter rivals on the pitch — just as the financial gap between them is closing off it. Last month, Manchester United, which for many years has been among the world's highest earning clubs, projected that revenues would be £560m-£580m this season, the first fall in income for more than a decade.

That is primarily because of the team's failure to qualify for this year's Champions League, Europe's most prestigious and lucrative club competition, where more than €2bn is shared between participating clubs. Meanwhile, revenues at Liverpool are set to rise further from the £455m earned in 2018, after the team won the Champions League last season. "Other clubs are closing the gap on Manchester United," said Tim Crow, an independent sports marketing adviser. "If you look at the Champions League, which is so crucial [last season's finalists] Liverpool and Tottenham Hotspur will earn £200m from participation."Manchester United executives have said there are no concerns over the strength of its business, pointing to record income from merchandise sales, season tickets and sponsorship contracts this season.

Ed Woodward, executive vice-president, who was installed in 2013 to run the club by its owners, the US billionaire Glazer family, has said continued financial strength will ensure Manchester United will return to the top of the game over time."We and our growing global fan base demand success," said Mr Woodward during a call with investors and financial analysts last month. "Success means winning trophies. That target and that standard has never changed for Manchester United. The progress we've made on the business side . . . underpins the continued investment in the football side." After installing former United player Ole Gunnar Solskjaer as manager last season, the club spent more than £150m on transfer fees for new players this summer, including England defender Harry Maguire from Leicester City. In a sharp change to its previous transfer policies, the club has attempted to focus on acquiring younger players rather than ready-made stars. It has hired more scouts, created a new data analytics system to identify players and invested further in its youth academy, all with a view to rebuilding its squad over time. This is a strategy that is broadly similar to the plan deployed by Liverpool over recent seasons.

In the meantime, the resilience of Manchester United's business is being tested, in particular the team's attraction to sponsors, which makes up around half of club revenues. The club has begun to search for a new shirt sponsor following concerns that Chevrolet, the US car brand that is paying $559m in a seven-year deal for its logo to be emblazoned on the team's shirts, will not renew the contract when it elapses in 2022. In their pitches to potential new sponsors in recent weeks, Manchester United executives have pointed to research conducted for the club by Kantar that suggests its number of "fans and followers" is growing and has reached 1.1bn people worldwide. This statistic would suggest it is the world's best supported football club, with more than one-seventh of the global population siding with Manchester United on Sunday. However, analysts at Deutsche Bank wrote in a recent paper that although the club's brand is durable it could be tarnished if the team does not regularly challenge for top prizes. That could hit the club's appeal to a new generation of supporters and decrease the value of future commercial deals. There are short-term effects as well. United's kit deal with Adidas, worth £750m over 10 years, contains a penalty clause that means failure to reach Europe's top competition for two consecutive seasons will see it paid £21m less for each year outside the tournament.

By contrast, companies are taking extraordinary measures for the right to be associated with Liverpool. Last month, US sportswear group New Balance began legal action against the European champions in a last-ditch attempt to prevent the club from signing a new shirt manufacturing deal with Nike worth £70m a year. "I do believe on-field success drives off-field success," said Mr Crow. "I have seen for many many years, in particular sponsors who are a big part of United's business, they go after the hot teams. All my clients want to talk about Liverpool because they are top of the league and won the Champions League." There is one unintended upside if Manchester United's form deteriorates further and the club suffered an unlikely relegation from the Premier League. That could convince the Glazers to sell the club, said John t**ker, a senior analyst at Gabelli, a research group. Even the most disgruntled fans, who have called for the owners to exit the club, may consider that such an abject failure would not be a price worth paying. "
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

GJL

Not a brilliant performance but a decent one. Rashford looks like he is returning to a bit  of fitness/form. James is lighting quick and Liverpool were very wary of him. I thought Fred actually had a good game too by his own standards.

Milltown Row2

If the Liverpool player hadn't have went down like he was shot with that tap on the calf I'd have some sympathy, but 1-1 would have been a fair result based on possession and shot on target, though barring the goals the shots on target were pretty lame
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

BennyCake

Mane's goal should have stood. Handball rule is ridiculous.

Didn't get a great look at that tackle before goal though.

David McKeown

Quote from: BennyCake on October 20, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
Mane's goal should have stood. Handball rule is ridiculous.

Didn't get a great look at that tackle before goal though.

The handball rule is terrible but not for that yesterday. You shouldn't get a substantial advantage from an accidental handball. Had Mane not touched it with his hand the ball was away so for me it's the type of handball that should be outlawed. The first goal did come from a foul but that was only clear on slow motion replay so I think on the rules VAR was correct not to over rule it but I've been an opponent of VAR for years and this season has done nothing to change my mind.
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magpie seanie

Pity United couldn't see it out but a bit of respite. Unfortunately though again the inability to score more than one goal has cost United. Performance shows what can be done and just when you're ready to completely give up on Fred he plays well.

I remember the 80's when United used to regularly boss a championship winning Liverpool side but then turn around and lose to a crap side the next week. They need to kick on from this and pick up some wins.

laoislad

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Quote from: David McKeown on October 21, 2019, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 20, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
Mane's goal should have stood. Handball rule is ridiculous.

Didn't get a great look at that tackle before goal though.

The handball rule is terrible but not for that yesterday. You shouldn't get a substantial advantage from an accidental handball. Had Mane not touched it with his hand the ball was away so for me it's the type of handball that should be outlawed. The first goal did come from a foul but that was only clear on slow motion replay so I think on the rules VAR was correct not to over rule it but I've been an opponent of VAR for years and this season has done nothing to change my mind.
So it was a foul but it still shouldn't have been ruled out...great logic there.
The reason VAR is there is to see things in slow motion after the event that the ref might have missed, though how the Ref didn't blow for a foul in real time is unbelievable, slow motion replays weren't necessary as it was an obvious foul in real time.
The Ref was a disgrace yesterday anyway, completely favoured United.
What's that James fella story , was diving all over the place at the start of the season and now going down pretending he he injured all the time, did the same for Wales last week pretending he was knocked out ffs. Even the United players didn't kick the ball out of play when he was down at one stage, play only stopped when Matip kicked it out.
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Armamike

Quote from: magpie seanie on October 21, 2019, 09:22:20 AM
Pity United couldn't see it out but a bit of respite. Unfortunately though again the inability to score more than one goal has cost United. Performance shows what can be done and just when you're ready to completely give up on Fred he plays well.

I remember the 80's when United used to regularly boss a championship winning Liverpool side but then turn around and lose to a crap side the next week. They need to kick on from this and pick up some wins.

Remember it well. Liverpool always had it tough against them back then.

What's the thinking going to be among Man U supporters should the team revert back to the way they had been playing before this game?  A famous Ferguson quote comes to mind - are the players cheating the manager?
That's just, like your opinion man.

Maroon Manc

It was a good performance in the circumstances but unfortunately when we had to sit back like we did in the second half its only natural that Rojo and Young eventually switched off although one of Pereira or Wan Bisaka should have closed Robertson down. I wonder if Ole will continue with the back 3, United do have 3 centre half's who are all very comfortable on the ball so its certainly an option.

I worry when teams sit back against United though, we're going to really struggle to break them down.

Klopp is a brilliant manager but along with Pep the two of them can do no wrong with officials and in the media, Klopp yesterday appeared to spend the whole game berating the 4th official.

David McKeown

Quote from: laoislad on October 21, 2019, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 21, 2019, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 20, 2019, 11:21:47 PM
Mane's goal should have stood. Handball rule is ridiculous.

Didn't get a great look at that tackle before goal though.

The handball rule is terrible but not for that yesterday. You shouldn't get a substantial advantage from an accidental handball. Had Mane not touched it with his hand the ball was away so for me it's the type of handball that should be outlawed. The first goal did come from a foul but that was only clear on slow motion replay so I think on the rules VAR was correct not to over rule it but I've been an opponent of VAR for years and this season has done nothing to change my mind.
So it was a foul but it still shouldn't have been ruled out...great logic there.
The reason VAR is there is to see things in slow motion after the event that the ref might have missed, though how the Ref didn't blow for a foul in real time is unbelievable, slow motion replays weren't necessary as it was an obvious foul in real time.
The Ref was a disgrace yesterday anyway, completely favoured United.
What's that James fella story , was diving all over the place at the start of the season and now going down pretending he he injured all the time, did the same for Wales last week pretending he was knocked out ffs. Even the United players didn't kick the ball out of play when he was down at one stage, play only stopped when Matip kicked it out.

Yes but that's the VAR rules. The second referee is not supposed to re-referee so it has to be a clear and obvious error to be overturned. In real time it was far from clear and obvious that a foul had occurred. The on field referee clearly saw the incident, made a wrong call but still a judgement call so VAR can not interfere. That's one of the many problems with VAR. 

As for James he has made a rod for his own back with his antics and clearly has become the boy who cried wolf but the incident you referred to he did actually seem to get injured and it appeared blood was coming from his nose. The referee should have stopped it and when he didn't neither team should have put the ball out but again rules should be changed so that if there's nothing wrong with players there should be bookings after the fact or free kicks to the wronged team. That said Mane should also have been booked for trying to con the referee over his handball.
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gawa316

Was the stadium not sold out on Sunday?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: gawa316 on October 21, 2019, 10:17:31 PM
Was the stadium not sold out on Sunday?

Nearly 74,000 at it. What's its capacity?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

gawa316

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 21, 2019, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 21, 2019, 10:17:31 PM
Was the stadium not sold out on Sunday?

Nearly 74,000 at it. What's its capacity?

I always thought it was close to 75k but could be wrong. It was a mate of mine who mentioned empty seats. I wonder when the last time this game was not a sell out?

Cunny Funt

Quote from: gawa316 on October 21, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 21, 2019, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 21, 2019, 10:17:31 PM
Was the stadium not sold out on Sunday?

Nearly 74,000 at it. What's its capacity?

I always thought it was close to 75k but could be wrong. It was a mate of mine who mentioned empty seats. I wonder when the last time this game was not a sell out?

It was sold out and oversubscribed. A few returns were sold on the United webpage and were snapped up quickly. The empty seats would be "supporters" who decided to stay away in the fear of getting hammered by Liverpool.