Down Club Hurling & Football

[DownFanatic]

There are big financial implications in going straight knockout across all three grades. I'm all for a return to the straight knockout. I've always believed in it and if it is marketed correctly, planned accordingly etc then there is no reason at all why we can't boost our product. Whether that would be enough to overcome the financial shortfall, I'm not so sure.

Take the JFC for example, CCC have tried their best at different formats to give teams more than one game with a deeper Championship. But really, JFC teams would far prefer straight knockout.

We are lucky in that our leagues in Down are taken very seriously and they have meaning. Leagues in other counties across the island are more and more turning into glorified friendlies. We need to sustain the significance of our Leagues and move to a straight knockout Championship programme that does away with meaningless games and starts making more sense for Down club teams.

[Splash]

This will be going back a long time now, but I'm sure someone here will know something.

Does anybody know the story about Clann Uladh and Faugh-a-Ballagh in Newry?

Obviously the clubs are long gone, but would be interesting to know the stories about them back in the early days.

Where did they play out of? Where did they draw players from? What areas of the town did they serve?

Did they ever exist alongside Shamrocks/Bosco/Mitchells?

And what happened to them?

To the best of my knowledge, Clann Uladh eventually either morphed into, or amalgamated with someone else, to form Shamrocks in about the 50s.

Faugh-a-Ballagh seem to have disappeared about the 40s or 50s.

Anyone know much about them? Assuming no one here ever played for them, but anybody have any relations or know anybody that was involved with them?

Did they just rebrand as Shamrocks or Mitchells or what was the story?

See they were very dominant in the early days of the GAA in both codes- be interesting to know the story behind them.

Am I right in saying there was also a camogie team in Newry called St Bridget's in the 1940s?

Newry has changed a lot in ten years, let alone 100 years, but old stories like these are certainly interesting.

[LC]

Read the article in the IN yesterday with Calon Mooney.

Seemed to be fairly open and honest about a lot of things.  For some guys the penny drops when they have hung up the boots and by that stage it is too late on so many fronts and importantly the last thing that they would do is admit it.

From reading the article it would seem he was at Jordanstown for a couple of years however I imagine it was purely for football reasons with no benefit gained academically .  I'm sure he would not be the first baller that has went through Jordanstown and career wise down the line have realised that it did not help them in the long term.

When you go looking for a mortgage in years to come payslips have more relevance than having played Sigerson.

[statto]

Read the article in the IN yesterday with Calon Mooney.

Seemed to be fairly open and honest about a lot of things.  For some guys the penny drops when they have hung up the boots and by that stage it is too late on so many fronts and importantly the last thing that they would do is admit it.

From reading the article it would seem he was at Jordanstown for a couple of years however I imagine it was purely for football reasons with no benefit gained academically .  I'm sure he would not be the first baller that has went through Jordanstown and career wise down the line have realised that it did not help them in the long term.

When you go looking for a mortgage in years to come payslips have more relevance than having played Sigerson.

Think that's a condescending viewpoint on Jordanstown any lad could go to uni and drop out or not get the grades at uni they would have wanted in their degree. Playing football has opened plenty of doors for lads in the past and I dare say will continue to do so.

[Kong King]

Kilcoo - K Lacy?
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - R Sexton
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
RGU -  K Duffin & C McCrickard
Saul - D Lynch

Glenn - S Clarke
Drumgath - P Hynes
Bredagh - ?
Longstone - P Murray & SM Johnston (C Branagan away)
Bryansford - J Magorrian
Rostrevor - ?
Saval - ?
Castlewellan - ?
An Riocht  - K Franklin
St John's - J Lynch (S Curran away)

Annaclone- D Morgan
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - B Coulter
Tullylish - T Bagnall (R McShane away to Shane ONeills
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - L Howlett (M McVeigh away)
Dromara - J Fegan
Liatroim - P McDonnell
Shamrocks - A Rogers (DJ Kane away)

St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - D Ritchie
Teconnaght - J Clarke (C Laverty away to Dorsey Emmetts)
Kilclief -
Ardglass - P O'Shea
Dundrum - E Devlin (R McCartan away to louth club)
East Belfast -
Aghaderg -
St Michael's - Not Filled (L McAlinden away to Louth)
Glasdrumman - H Toner
Drumaness - B Branagan
Finn -Not Filled (M Copeland Away)

Losing more men to louth looking at this.how many down men is there now?unbelieveable to think about if

I did some looking into this and i think their is 9,cahal murray in ardee,stephen poucher in saint mochas,michael magill at geraldines,mark poland in cooley,tom franklin in saint josephs,eamon morgan at dundalk,kevin mckernan at dundalk and the 2 men in the post above

[supersub]

Kilcoo - K Lacy?
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - R Sexton
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
RGU -  K Duffin & C McCrickard
Saul - D Lynch

Glenn - S Clarke
Drumgath - P Hynes
Bredagh - ?
Longstone - P Murray & SM Johnston (C Branagan away)
Bryansford - J Magorrian
Rostrevor - ?
Saval - ?
Castlewellan - ?
An Riocht  - K Franklin
St John's - J Lynch (S Curran away)

Annaclone- D Morgan
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - B Coulter
Tullylish - T Bagnall (R McShane away to Shane ONeills
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - L Howlett (M McVeigh away)
Dromara - J Fegan
Liatroim - P McDonnell
Shamrocks - A Rogers (DJ Kane away)

St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - D Ritchie
Teconnaght - J Clarke (C Laverty away to Dorsey Emmetts)
Kilclief -
Ardglass - P O'Shea
Dundrum - E Devlin (R McCartan away to louth club)
East Belfast -
Aghaderg -
St Michael's - Not Filled (L McAlinden away to Louth)
Glasdrumman - H Toner
Drumaness - B Branagan
Finn -Not Filled (M Copeland Away)

Losing more men to louth looking at this.how many down men is there now?unbelieveable to think about if

I did some looking into this and i think their is 9,cahal murray in ardee,stephen poucher in saint mochas,michael magill at geraldines,mark poland in cooley,tom franklin in saint josephs,eamon morgan at dundalk,kevin mckernan at dundalk and the 2 men in the post above

Tom Franklin is with Rostrevor now, but yes him and Martin Farrell were with St Joseph's. R McCartan is with Dreadnots.

[marty34]

Kilcoo - K Lacy?
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - R Sexton
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
RGU -  K Duffin & C McCrickard
Saul - D Lynch

Glenn - S Clarke
Drumgath - P Hynes
Bredagh - ?
Longstone - P Murray & SM Johnston (C Branagan away)
Bryansford - J Magorrian
Rostrevor - ?
Saval - ?
Castlewellan - ?
An Riocht  - K Franklin
St John's - J Lynch (S Curran away)

Annaclone- D Morgan
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - B Coulter
Tullylish - T Bagnall (R McShane away to Shane ONeills
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - L Howlett (M McVeigh away)
Dromara - J Fegan
Liatroim - P McDonnell
Shamrocks - A Rogers (DJ Kane away)

St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - D Ritchie
Teconnaght - J Clarke (C Laverty away to Dorsey Emmetts)
Kilclief -
Ardglass - P O'Shea
Dundrum - E Devlin (R McCartan away to louth club)
East Belfast -
Aghaderg -
St Michael's - Not Filled (L McAlinden away to Louth)
Glasdrumman - H Toner
Drumaness - B Branagan
Finn -Not Filled (M Copeland Away)

Losing more men to louth looking at this.how many down men is there now?unbelieveable to think about if

I did some looking into this and i think their is 9,cahal murray in ardee,stephen poucher in saint mochas,michael magill at geraldines,mark poland in cooley,tom franklin in saint josephs,eamon morgan at dundalk,kevin mckernan at dundalk and the 2 men in the post above

Tom Franklin is with Rostrevor now, but yes him and Martin Farrell were with St Joseph's. R McCartan is with Dreadnots.

Is that Poacher, the current Leitrim manager?

[Kong King]

Kilcoo - K Lacy?
Burren - E McCartan
CPN - J Boyle
Clonduff - G Adams
Mayobridge - R Sexton
Carryduff - F Moriarty
Loughinisland - C O'Toole
Ballyholland - S Mulholland
RGU -  K Duffin & C McCrickard
Saul - D Lynch

Glenn - S Clarke
Drumgath - P Hynes
Bredagh - ?
Longstone - P Murray & SM Johnston (C Branagan away)
Bryansford - J Magorrian
Rostrevor - ?
Saval - ?
Castlewellan - ?
An Riocht  - K Franklin
St John's - J Lynch (S Curran away)

Annaclone- D Morgan
Ballymartin- ?
Attical - B Coulter
Tullylish - T Bagnall (R McShane away to Shane ONeills
Darragh - B Mason
Banbridge- P Feeney
Bosco - L Howlett (M McVeigh away)
Dromara - J Fegan
Liatroim - P McDonnell
Shamrocks - A Rogers (DJ Kane away)

St Paul's- P Hannigan
Bright - D Ritchie
Teconnaght - J Clarke (C Laverty away to Dorsey Emmetts)
Kilclief -
Ardglass - P O'Shea
Dundrum - E Devlin (R McCartan away to louth club)
East Belfast -
Aghaderg -
St Michael's - Not Filled (L McAlinden away to Louth)
Glasdrumman - H Toner
Drumaness - B Branagan
Finn -Not Filled (M Copeland Away)

Losing more men to louth looking at this.how many down men is there now?unbelieveable to think about if

I did some looking into this and i think their is 9,cahal murray in ardee,stephen poucher in saint mochas,michael magill at geraldines,mark poland in cooley,tom franklin in saint josephs,eamon morgan at dundalk,kevin mckernan at dundalk and the 2 men in the post above

Tom Franklin is with Rostrevor now, but yes him and Martin Farrell were with St Joseph's. R McCartan is with Dreadnots.

Is that Poacher, the current Leitrim manager?

Yea i think it is.i think their is more coaches from here in louth but woudnt know them all.i only found 9

[statto]

What is the attraction in louth is it big money or boys who have been around a load of jobs in down unsuccessfully or a mixture of both?

[Kong King]

What is the attraction in louth is it big money or boys who have been around a load of jobs in down unsuccessfully or a mixture of both?

Iam no expert on these things but i woud think it woud have something to do with the same mangers in down getting jobs over and over an worst still clubs giving these men jobs who do nothing.seems to be all the best ones in louth??look at louth last year getting to sam quarter final,while down won taltenn cup but i think way off a good team.think theres something there??

[Gaelforce123]

I think you should look into it again. Poacher, Poland and Franklin are not in Louth.

S Poacher:
Leitrim

M Poland:
Down LGFA

T Franklin:
Rostrevor

Murray, Morgan, McCartan and McAlinden I believe are in Louth. We also have J McCartan and  L Coulter in Monaghan (Clontibret), R McShane in Armagh (Shane O'Neills), R McMahon in Armagh (Clan Na Gael) but I believe Pete McGrath may have left Antrim (Aghnagallon).

[thewobbler]

What is the attraction in louth is it big money or boys who have been around a load of jobs in down unsuccessfully or a mixture of both?

Iam no expert on these things but i woud think it woud have something to do with the same mangers in down getting jobs over and over an worst still clubs giving these men jobs who do nothing.seems to be all the best ones in louth??look at louth last year getting to sam quarter final,while down won taltenn cup but i think way off a good team.think theres something there??

I'd guess it's a gathering of four things:

One being that wages / financial power in Louth are a bit higher.

Two being that the level of coaching in the north is more highly regarded than that of the south, so Northern coaches - rightly or wrongly - are sought after in the wee county.

Three being that many a coach neither wishes to coach their own club (financial and emotional reasons) or coach against their own club (emotional reasons).

Four being that Kilcoo are in Down and nobody really believes they can beat them, so if you're being judged on championship success, coaching in Down is a death sentence.

[dromboy44]

I think you should look into it again. Poacher, Poland and Franklin are not in Louth.

S Poacher:
Leitrim

M Poland:
Down LGFA

T Franklin:
Rostrevor

Murray, Morgan, McCartan and McAlinden I believe are in Louth. We also have J McCartan and  L Coulter in Monaghan (Clontibret), R McShane in Armagh (Shane O'Neills), R McMahon in Armagh (Clan Na Gael) but I believe Pete McGrath may have left Antrim (Aghnagallon).

This is the list of Down men in Louth (as far as I am aware - but the trend is more and more are heading that way):

Cathal Murray - Ardee
Steven Poacher - St Mochtas (apparently he's double jobbing)
John Kennedy - St Fechins
Eamon Morgan - Dundalk Young Irelanders
Kevin McKernan - Dundalk Gaels
Ronan McCartan - Dreadnots
Glenn Burden - Na Piarsaigh
Miceal Magill - Geraldines
Laurence McAlinden - Naomh Malachi



I believe a lot (maybe all of them) have a Down coach with them

That's all I know. Would be interesting to see in other counties i.e. Armagh, Antrim

In response to The Wobbler, lots of valid points. The only true answer you will get is if you ask one of the managers in question

[Leftmidfield]

I think you should look into it again. Poacher, Poland and Franklin are not in Louth.

S Poacher:
Leitrim

M Poland:
Down LGFA

T Franklin:
Rostrevor

Murray, Morgan, McCartan and McAlinden I believe are in Louth. We also have J McCartan and  L Coulter in Monaghan (Clontibret), R McShane in Armagh (Shane O'Neills), R McMahon in Armagh (Clan Na Gael) but I believe Pete McGrath may have left Antrim (Aghnagallon).

Paul McCartan at Clontibret not J McCartan

[Ed Hardy]

I think you should look into it again. Poacher, Poland and Franklin are not in Louth.

S Poacher:
Leitrim

M Poland:
Down LGFA

T Franklin:
Rostrevor

Murray, Morgan, McCartan and McAlinden I believe are in Louth. We also have J McCartan and  L Coulter in Monaghan (Clontibret), R McShane in Armagh (Shane O'Neills), R McMahon in Armagh (Clan Na Gael) but I believe Pete McGrath may have left Antrim (Aghnagallon).

Paul McCartan at Clontibret not J McCartan

Whos over Down u20s this year?