Poll
Question:
Who will be the next Mayo manager?
Option 1: Enda Gilvarry
votes: 9
Option 2: John Maughan
votes: 11
Option 3: Kevin McStay
votes: 50
Option 4: A.N. Other
votes: 29
QuoteJames Horan has called time on his four-year tenure as manager of the Mayo senior footballers following the loss to Kerry in the All-Ireland SFC semi-final replay.
After guiding his club, Ballintubber, to a county final appearance, Horan was named as John O'Mahony's successor in October 2010.
O'Mahony's final year in charge saw the Green and Red lose to Sligo in the Connacht championship and to Longford in the qualifiers.
Horan's arrival had an immediate impact as the team regained the provincial title in 2011.That was the first of four Nestor Cups won under his stewardship.
However, All-Ireland success was to remain elusive with defeats to Donegal and Dublin in successive finals.
Hopes were high that Mayo could again reach the September decider this year but they just fell short against the Kingdom in Saturday's pulsating semi-final replay at the Gaelic Grounds.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2014/0830/640409-horan-steps-down-as-mayo-manager/
Kevin Mc the big name, Enda Gilvarry certainly has a case too.. and you can always count on the Tanned One to make a bullock run after the manager's job too.
I'm a bit surprised by this. Horgan has made Mayo very, very consistent and a top team albeit without reaching the Holy grail.
James Horan has made a huge commitment to Mayo football over the past 4 years and doesn't owe anything to anyone. He has a young family and is entitled to a break....Am i correct in saying that Mayo, Galway and Leitrim are now all without a manager?
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 31, 2014, 12:43:24 AM
James Horan has made a huge commitment to Mayo football over the past 4 years and doesn't owe anything to anyone. He has a young family and is entitled to a break....Am i correct in saying that Mayo, Galway and Leitrim are now all without a manager?
It's nice to be the prepared ones for once, isn't it?
Yeah, knew he was going this year! Regardless of outcome. Young family, work commitments and social life all neglected the last 4 years. Time to stand back. Done some great work and dismissed some stereo types about Mayo football.
I imagine he runs a fairly intense set-up which must be both mentally and emotionally draining. Hard to keep that going past 4 years with life getting in the way as well. You have to admit that he's been great for Mayo. Maybe the new man can get them over the line but I think the smart money would have to be on Mayo taking a step back without him. I know he has his critics but I think he's very good at what he does. Mayo will miss him.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 31, 2014, 02:32:25 AM
I imagine he runs a fairly intense set-up which must be both mentally and emotionally draining. Hard to keep that going past 4 years with life getting in the way as well. You have to admit that he's been great for Mayo. Maybe the new man can get them over the line but I think the smart money would have to be on Mayo taking a step back without him. I know he has his critics but I think he's very good at what he does. Mayo will miss him.
Horan has blooded very few new players during his tenure. Especially the last two years. The reason is he had discipline, conditioning and strength built up with this group. He did not really want to integrate new players more so this year as this was the last throw of the dice and he was not thinking of next year.
Time for a new voice and a few new faces. Thanks for a massive effort James!
Huge loss to Mayo, he always had his team prepared and put a huge amount of effort into making this a great team.
It's a pity they didn't win an AI but I'm sure he needs to take a break and hopefully will get back into mgmt down the road
He prepared his teams well but have to agree with what Brolly said before yesterdays game, his reaction to what was happening on the pitch was very slow. We saw that yesterday with his failure to do anything different with Donaghy despite knowing Kerry would bombard them with the wind. If he was a bit cuter on the line in his 4 years Mayo might have won the All Ireland.
I think that the best team lost. And that the dubs have been handed the all Ireland. The ref in the game today will be watched with interest.
How much are Mayo in debt?
Wasn't there a big discussion with him last year whether he'd stay on due to resources in the county?
I very much doubt McStay would take it on as he's based in the Curragh
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on August 31, 2014, 09:56:55 AM
How much are Mayo in debt?
Wasn't there a big discussion with him last year whether he'd stay on due to resources in the county?
I very much doubt McStay would take it on as he's based in the Curragh
That would be a big expenses bill.
Running a big club team and especially a county team like Mayo must indeed be very mentally and physically draining. It makes you wonder how managers can stay on for an extended without a break.
Never got to beat the cap despite two close run matches at the beginning and end of his reign. Not to worry, we might have a vacancy at senior next year and we're big enough to let by-gones be by-gones. Mayo's best manager, maybe of all-time.
Horan must be in a dark place this morning after all his unflinching efforts over the last 4 years have come up short. He's had heartbreak too as a player, performing heroically in 96, scoring 5 points from play and still ending up on the losing end, that has to be hard to take. Perhaps a few different decisions or players here and there could have got us over the line, who knows but when you're trying for so long it's extremely difficult to make that breakthrough. Horan got an awful lot right and brought us much needed respectability with a bunch of players that never wilted. The next manager has an unenviable task on his hands, to get them to the same level again is going to be difficult in itself, to get them over the line will herculean.
Inevitable that this was his last year no matter the outcome. He brought them from the depths to being genuine AI contenders.
Probably should have gone last year and let a new man with new ideas who'd bring in new players etc. and freshen them up for another shot at it.
Be nice if Mayowr slip back to where they were before Horan :-* as finance has to come into play soon or we'll have to get Dont Matter on the job.
Seriously though - a decent manager with some failings no doubt but who now needs to live his own life for a while.
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
I think that the best team lost. And that the dubs have been handed the all Ireland. The ref in the game today will be watched with interest.
Kerry were the better team with the more talented young players. Dublin will fear Kerry far more than any Mayo side.
He brought us back from the dead which we were that day in Longford in such a short time. He gave it his all, brought us to the brink of reaching the promised land but we just couldnt get over the line. Turned Mayo into a top team and if we are to win one in the next few years his contribution will be remembered.
Horan deserves massive credit for what he has achieved with this Mayo squad. Possibly the most consistent team in the country during his tenure and he instilled massive heart, fight and belief in a squad that had enough heart breaking defeats to demoralise most teams. When push came to shove at the very, very top level, the lack of one or two more scoring forwards and also a play making forward was their downfall. Horan knew the problems but just couldn't find the personnel to solve them, trying Higgins at 11 last year was a bit desperate given the masterclass he put on yesterday on O'Donoghue. Yes, he made some mistakes along the way, like not coming up with a plan to deal with Star, but the positives he bought to Mayo football massively outweigh any mistakes he made. It'll be interesting to see what path Mayo take from here.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
Horan deserves massive credit for what he has achieved with this Mayo squad. Possibly the most consistent team in the country during his tenure
Eh, ahem...
Quote from: heffo on August 31, 2014, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
Horan deserves massive credit for what he has achieved with this Mayo squad. Possibly the most consistent team in the country during his tenure
Eh, ahem...
Ok sorry - you lads are brilliant too. I did say
possibly but well done on your consistency, obviously nobody else can be consistent too. I'd say Dublin are the best team of the last few years but if you want the consistent award too then you go for it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 31, 2014, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
Horan deserves massive credit for what he has achieved with this Mayo squad. Possibly the most consistent team in the country during his tenure
Eh, ahem...
Ok sorry - you lads are brilliant too. I did say possibly but well done on your consistency, obviously nobody else can be consistent too. I'd say Dublin are the best team of the last few years but if you want the consistent award too then you go for it.
I don't particularly want any award apart from an AI title but clearly Mayo weren't the most consistent in that period when Dublin won 2 x Div 1 league titles, 2 x AI and at least 2 x Semi finals in Horans reign
Horan can hold his head high on a great job. But for another top class forward they'd have at least one AI.
All is not lost though. Dublin were rock bottom in 2009, changed their approach and finally got there. Keep the faith
Quote from: heffo on August 31, 2014, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 31, 2014, 01:00:01 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
Horan deserves massive credit for what he has achieved with this Mayo squad. Possibly the most consistent team in the country during his tenure
Eh, ahem...
Ok sorry - you lads are brilliant too. I did say possibly but well done on your consistency, obviously nobody else can be consistent too. I'd say Dublin are the best team of the last few years but if you want the consistent award too then you go for it.
I don't particularly want any award apart from an AI title but clearly Mayo weren't the most consistent in that period when Dublin won 2 x Div 1 league titles, 2 x AI and at least 2 x Semi finals in Horans reign
Considering where Mayo were the year before Horan took over, the consistency he produced to get to 2 semi finals and 2 finals during his reign is remarkable and worthy of being mentioned.
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Does it get any worse that getting beaten by Sligo in the first round of the championship and then by Longford in the first round of qualifiers?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Does it get any worse that getting beaten by Sligo in the first round of the championship and then by Longford in the first round of qualifiers?
Yes, it does. Syferus is right on this one. Mayo lost to Sligo and Longford in 2010, sure. The year before they were Connacht Champions. Mayo had one tough year. How many tough years have Meath and Galway had since they played each other in the All-Ireland final?
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Does it get any worse that getting beaten by Sligo in the first round of the championship and then by Longford in the first round of qualifiers?
f**k yes it does.
Mayo had a down championship but their base level of talent and a platform in the league were always there.
Horan did a great job but he wasn't taking over a shite panel - the core of that panel are U21 AI winners and were used to D1 football. Any manager would love to work with that.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:23:09 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 31, 2014, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Does it get any worse that getting beaten by Sligo in the first round of the championship and then by Longford in the first round of qualifiers?
f**k yes it does.
Mayo had a down championship but their base level of talent and a platform in the league were always there.
Horan did a great job but he wasn't taking over a shite panel - the core of that panel are U21 AI winners and were used to D1 football. Any manager would love to work with that.
A down championship? Ah right!
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Ah but you gotta put things in context, Syf; Mayo in D4 seemed to be only a matter of time.
Instead, compare the state of Mayo football when O'Mahony took over with its state when we got turned over by Sligo and then Longford and you'll get a more accurate picture.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 31, 2014, 04:14:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
Ah but you gotta put things in context, Syf; Mayo in D4 seemed to be only a matter of time.
Instead, compare the state of Mayo football when O'Mahony took over with its state when we got turned over by Sligo and then Longford and you'll get a more accurate picture.
If Tanner Maughan or Johnno (in TD mode, not AI-winning mode) couldn't get ye relegated from D1 I'd say you'd have a job on your hands to end up in D2, nevermind D4!
Thanks to James for a massive effort, great player, great manager. Pity he couldn't get us over the line
James Horan has left Mayo football in a far better place than when he took over. We are no longer looked at as underdogs with a soft streak and hopefully the next man along can build on that foundation.
This year was always going to be his last hurrah and that might have been part of our undoing in the end. If he had more of an eye to next year, I think that Sweeney, Gallagher, Regan and a few more might have got some/more game time. Instead he understandably went with the experienced lads to get us over the line and it very nearly paid off. I think he genuinely felt that there was one last push left in the tank.
The next man up is crucial to get right. We are not far off but the team will need steady rebuilding over the next few years. I like the way Kerry have replaced their older players with young lads who might not have been stars at underage but who all have the kind of 'stuff' required for the modern game.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on August 31, 2014, 11:28:29 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 31, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
I think that the best team lost. And that the dubs have been handed the all Ireland. The ref in the game today will be watched with interest.
Kerry were the better team with the more talented young players. Dublin will fear Kerry far more than any Mayo side.
;D ;D
Mind games.. :P
James Horan did a great job with Mayo. He got the absolute limit out of the players at his disposal. The guy who follows will have a serious act to live up to.
Quote from: Syferus on August 31, 2014, 02:11:13 PM
Lads saying Mayo were rock bottom in 2010 or Dublin in 2009 have lead a very sheltered life supporting their counties. Try watching your team play D4 football first before you reminisce about the bad old days.
We've never been in D4 so we know nothing about that, 2010 was the bad old days for Mayo, along with 1995 where we got relegated for our one season to D3. Before that it was the 70's
JH has done a huge service to Mayo, can have no fault with him
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 01, 2014, 11:56:07 AM
James Horan did a great job with Mayo. He got the absolute limit out of the players at his disposal. The guy who follows will have a serious act to live up to.
with out say a word against JH would not totally agree with that .
he got ythe best out of the players he picked , but I always though that he was willing to sacrifice pure talent for hard work and a willingness to do things the Horan Way .
he was a man with a plan and it worked very well for him , he got us to the stage that no matter who Mayo played they went into the match with a resonable belief that they could /would win and big chavge from the 'waving at the crowd days'
it give an new manager a lot of leeway to bring in a lot of Talented players that Horan Choose not to use
Bit of a disappointing end for Horan. I think I'll associate him in future with Anthony Cunningham. Got to the final in 2012 but couldn't close the deal. Nothing afterwards either. Hard to turn Mayo into a smash and grab outfit. Same with the Galway hurlers. They need a few goes and that's not easy these days.
Donegal meanwhile could have 3 all Irelands by the end of the month. Same as Mayo. How do they do it ?
I've great respect for James Horan and I appreciate all he has done for Mayo.
To win 4 Connachts, and get to 4 semis with two AI appearances, after the mess Mayo football was in when he took on the gig was a magnificent achievement.
He has left a very fine squad behind him and I hope his successor will be able to drive on from there.
However, I don't have unqualified respect for his managerial qualities.
He had serious flaws in his make up and ultimately this led to Kerry getting through to the AI this year and Mayo being left with memories of what might have been.
He left Cafferkey on Donaghy for almost the entire game with disastrous results when all the world could see that there was going to be only one winner there. Ultimately, Donaghy was the decisive factor.
What Horan might have done to curb his activities is open to debate but the fact is that he did nothing to limit the damage the big hoor was causing. This wasn't a one-off mistake either, it happened many times in the past. Undoubtedly, he did much for Mayo football and he's leaving it in a far better state than he found it but his lack of tactical nous was his, and Mayo's, downfall.
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
Bit of a disappointing end for Horan. I think I'll associate him in future with Anthony Cunningham. Got to the final in 2012 but couldn't close the deal. Nothing afterwards either. Hard to turn Mayo into a smash and grab outfit. Same with the Galway hurlers. They need a few goes and that's not easy these days.
Donegal meanwhile could have 3 all Irelands by the end of the month. Same as Mayo. How do they do it ?
In fairness Seafoid, there is a world of difference between being a 1-season half success versus delivering incremental improvement year on year (yes, i believe Mayo are a better team this year than last and year before etc). Quite insulting to the man imho to compare him with Cunningham
Quote from: blast05 on September 01, 2014, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 01, 2014, 01:44:33 PM
Bit of a disappointing end for Horan. I think I'll associate him in future with Anthony Cunningham. Got to the final in 2012 but couldn't close the deal. Nothing afterwards either. Hard to turn Mayo into a smash and grab outfit. Same with the Galway hurlers. They need a few goes and that's not easy these days.
Donegal meanwhile could have 3 all Irelands by the end of the month. Same as Mayo. How do they do it ?
In fairness Seafoid, there is a world of difference between being a 1-season half success versus delivering incremental improvement year on year (yes, i believe Mayo are a better team this year than last and year before etc). Quite insulting to the man imho to compare him with Cunningham
Also tactical issues.
At the end of the day Blast there were 2 Connacht teams in the AIF in 2012 and neither won.
Horan went close the year after. But didn't win either.
That style of county team (Mayo and Galway hurlers) need something different. Something to do the job on the first attempt.
He probably is better than Cunningham but it's the same end result. IMO.
Even though Horan didn't quite get there he was a damn sight better than anybody before him. He has raised the bar considerably for what will be required in the future from managers and players.
I wouldn't be giving up on this team just yet. A new perspective and a bit of freshening up and 2015 could be better again. Lads like Patrick Durkin and Adam Gallagher need to be given plenty of league games. Likes of Andy still has a part to play.
The right manager now is critical. McStay threw his hat into the ring on Sunday Game. His go at Cormac Reilly was for the benefit of Mayo fans I thought. Well a biteen maybe.
If he gets it he ll probably have Lord Liam along. We could nearly have our own tv channel ;D
I d like to see likes of Buckley kept on though but it would be unlikely.
Hopefully Johheen Evans is romancing his county man Buckley as we speak. Imagine all that inside info.
Quote from: moysider on September 01, 2014, 06:38:35 PM
Even though Horan didn't quite get there he was a damn sight better than anybody before him. He has raised the bar considerably for what will be required in the future from managers and players.
I wouldn't be giving up on this team just yet. A new perspective and a bit of freshening up and 2015 could be better again. Lads like Patrick Durkin and Adam Gallagher need to be given plenty of league games. Likes of Andy still has a part to play.
The right manager now is critical. McStay threw his hat into the ring on Sunday Game. His go at Cormac Reilly was for the benefit of Mayo fans I thought. Well a biteen maybe.
If he gets it he ll probably have Lord Liam along. We could nearly have our own tv channel ;D
I d like to see likes of Buckley kept on though but it would be unlikely.
He could do with the likes of Noel Connelly to bring a bit of defensive perspective to the team something we badly need. I dunno about Buckley for a fella that was involved with Kerry and Donaghy you would've thought he'd have something to add re: curbing him, obviously not or he was ignored which I doubt.
Sounds like McStay has pulled back from looking for the Mayo job and says that if he has any doubts about not being able to give 100 percent he will not take it if he is offered the job.
One similarity between Horan and Cunningham this year was their failure make a switch despite glaring problems at full-back, which certainly in Mayo's case cost them the game. Ronan Burke v Seamie Callanan and Cafferkey v Donaghy were two of the biggest mismatches your likely to see and neither was remedied. In both situations, it beggared belief.
The Mayo footballers are miles ahead of the Galway hurlers though and have been one of the Top 4 for the last few years while Galway had an uncharacteristically good year in 2012 and have been way off since. Horan prepares his teams really well but he has more to work with. Cunningham had the Galway team giving it absolutely everything this year but the quality wasn't there. Who of the Galway players would make the Kilkenny or Tipp teams? Joe would and you could make a case for Brehony, Andy Smyth and Johnny Glynn but that's about it. Horan turned Mayo into an elite team but if he'd been tactically better they'd have a couple of All-Irelands to boot.
Nice piece of writing from Kieran Shannon..
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 02, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
Nice piece of writing from Kieran Shannon..
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html)
Thanks for that Dinny, great read.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 02, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
Nice piece of writing from Kieran Shannon..
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html)
Nice one Dinny. I really hope we don't mess up the appointment of Horan's replacement. In fairness to James he put the structures in place now for the next man and there is no need to go into his tactical limitations as what he achieved far outweighs the mistakes he made in the big days.
I have heard the loose talk on some other sites about getting a big outside name like Jack O'Connor but I think that would be a disaster for us and Jack or any other big name outside manager. Anyway the only outside man I would really want would be Tony McEntee but the piece above spells out why this unfortunately can't happen at the moment.
I suppose the old reliables of Maughan , Tommy Lyons and Antony McGarry will be in the contest but have had their shot so please no!!!!
Pat Holmes would have a good case but I think he would be too similar to Horan and in my eyes shares the exact same weaknesses and strengths so it would be a case of different person same message which won't work at this stage.
I think Kevin McStay is the front runner with Noel Connelly his main challenger. Enda Gillvary will be wanted by some but I would prefer to let him stay another year with the minors then maybe progress to the U21's for a few years before pushing him into the top job. Maybe someone like Mickey Moyles or Dennis Kearney should be considered as they have solid cv's at this stage while not being celeb names and maybe Peter Forde has something to offer along with being very experienced although not many County Board men would want him after his perceived betrayal of them as captain in 1992!!
Let's just get the right man to move us on a bit while bringing a bit of a more tactical slant to how we set up (defensively and offensively) and not some hero to drive us up the summit. We have the talent to bring through and a solid base to work off so let's hold our nerve and get this right.
Tom(my) Carr is available ;D ;D :-*
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2014, 10:49:40 AM
Tom(my) Carr is available ;D ;D :-*
Unfortunately already has a couple of jobs
That's two jobs too many.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
That's two jobs too many.
Amen brother. The only downside to the 3 thrilling semi finals was listening to him and Marty spoof on. Relentlessly.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
That's two jobs too many.
Amen brother. The only downside to the 3 thrilling semi finals was listening to him and Marty spoof on. Relentlessly.
He is absolutely sh*t, how does he get get pundit gigs? How does he get coaching gigs? I watched on Sky because of him.
Hopefully he'll get the Dublin job again.
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 02, 2014, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
That's two jobs too many.
Amen brother. The only downside to the 3 thrilling semi finals was listening to him and Marty spoof on. Relentlessly.
He is absolutely sh*t, how does he get get pundit gigs? How does he get coaching gigs? I watched on Sky because of him.
Hopefully he'll get the Dublin job again.
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Arrah, he's not all bad.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2014, 04:51:41 PM
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on September 02, 2014, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
That's two jobs too many.
Amen brother. The only downside to the 3 thrilling semi finals was listening to him and Marty spoof on. Relentlessly.
He is absolutely sh*t, how does he get get pundit gigs? How does he get coaching gigs? I watched on Sky because of him.
Hopefully he'll get the Dublin job again.
(http://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/68/ec/b4/958f730ea2024a2be775fdab44544ee2a22cb35cfa/INPHO_00098366.jpg)
Arrah, he's not all bad.
Which one is Rossfan?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 02, 2014, 05:51:32 PM
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
That's two jobs too many.
Amen brother. The only downside to the 3 thrilling semi finals was listening to him and Marty spoof on. Relentlessly.
He is absolutely sh*t, how does he get get pundit gigs? How does he get coaching gigs? I watched on Sky because of him.
Hopefully he'll get the Dublin job again.
(http://inpho.ie/cache/inpho/68/ec/b4/958f730ea2024a2be775fdab44544ee2a22cb35cfa/INPHO_00098366.jpg)
Arrah, he's not all bad.
Which one is Rossfan?
The baldest one.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 02, 2014, 12:19:39 PM
That's two jobs too many.
Amen brother. The only downside to the 3 thrilling semi finals was listening to him and Marty spoof on. Relentlessly.
He is absolutely sh*t, how does he get get pundit gigs? How does he get coaching gigs? I watched on Sky because of him.
Hopefully he'll get the Dublin job again.
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Arrah, he's not all bad.
Which one is Rossfan?
The baldest one.
Céad míle fiacla
Take down that effin picture Syfín.
No need to remind us of those awful days. ( I know you don't remember them after all you were only 3 then)
I've come out in a big rash just seeing him with the oul Ros crest :'( :'(
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2014, 07:38:54 PM
Take down that effin picture Syfín.
No need to remind us of those awful days. ( I know you don't remember them after all you were only 3 then)
I've come out in a big rash just seeing him with the oul Ros crest :'( :'(
who are they carr aside that is. and yes he talks about 3x too much as a co commentator
Just have to accept everything in here eventually leads to Roscommon.
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Much like every post you make, I guess, Larryin.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 08:45:55 PM
Just have to accept everything in here eventually leads to Roscommon.
Ah sure ye feckers have to pass through Roscommon to get anywhere ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 02, 2014, 09:44:32 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 02, 2014, 08:45:55 PM
Just have to accept everything in here eventually leads to Roscommon.
Ah sure ye feckers have to pass through Roscommon to get anywhere ;D
Sure, we go through Roscommon every time we meet them, don't we? ;D
Rory Gallagher and malachy o rourke double act would get ye over the line.
Tony McEntee being mentioned as a name in the mix
Reckon ye gave up on Johnno too fast. Third time's the charm.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 02, 2014, 09:59:25 PM
Tony McEntee being mentioned as a name in the mix
Mentioned by who??
He was mentioned along with McStay during an interview with Aidan O 'Shea
http://t.co/qqtKfZhO7x
McEntee would make some outfit of them.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 02, 2014, 04:39:01 AM
One similarity between Horan and Cunningham this year was their failure make a switch despite glaring problems at full-back, which certainly in Mayo's case cost them the game. Ronan Burke v Seamie Callanan and Cafferkey v Donaghy were two of the biggest mismatches your likely to see and neither was remedied. In both situations, it beggared belief.
The Mayo footballers are miles ahead of the Galway hurlers though and have been one of the Top 4 for the last few years while Galway had an uncharacteristically good year in 2012 and have been way off since. Horan prepares his teams really well but he has more to work with. Cunningham had the Galway team giving it absolutely everything this year but the quality wasn't there. Who of the Galway players would make the Kilkenny or Tipp teams? Joe would and you could make a case for Brehony, Andy Smyth and Johnny Glynn but that's about it. Horan turned Mayo into an elite team but if he'd been tactically better they'd have a couple of All-Irelands to boot.
From what I can recall of their All Ireland losses, there wasn't much wrong with the tactics, rather time after time Horan was let down by his players, especially the forwards. Some of their shooting in the AIFs was atrocious, and it was usually after playing perfect football in the semi final. In a way, Horan reminds me a lot of James McCartan in that he had most of the players buying in some of the time, instead of all the time.
McCartan, like Horan, did a hell of a lot in saving his county's football team, but, for some reason the conviction was not quite 100%. I thought both men weren't bad for the tactics.
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 02, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 02, 2014, 04:39:01 AM
One similarity between Horan and Cunningham this year was their failure make a switch despite glaring problems at full-back, which certainly in Mayo's case cost them the game. Ronan Burke v Seamie Callanan and Cafferkey v Donaghy were two of the biggest mismatches your likely to see and neither was remedied. In both situations, it beggared belief.
The Mayo footballers are miles ahead of the Galway hurlers though and have been one of the Top 4 for the last few years while Galway had an uncharacteristically good year in 2012 and have been way off since. Horan prepares his teams really well but he has more to work with. Cunningham had the Galway team giving it absolutely everything this year but the quality wasn't there. Who of the Galway players would make the Kilkenny or Tipp teams? Joe would and you could make a case for Brehony, Andy Smyth and Johnny Glynn but that's about it. Horan turned Mayo into an elite team but if he'd been tactically better they'd have a couple of All-Irelands to boot.
From what I can recall of their All Ireland losses, there wasn't much wrong with the tactics, rather time after time Horan was let down by his players, especially the forwards. Some of their shooting in the AIFs was atrocious, and it was usually after playing perfect football in the semi final. In a way, Horan reminds me a lot of James McCartan in that he had most of the players buying in some of the time, instead of all the time.
McCartan, like Horan, did a hell of a lot in saving his county's football team, but, for some reason the conviction was not quite 100%. I thought both men weren't bad for the tactics.
That Mayo team were incredibly consistent. The conviction or the application was rarely at fault under Horan, sadly. Almost no comparison to how inconsistent Down were under McCartan. For me the best comparison is with McGuinness. Mayo and Donegal mirrored each other hugely in their rises and how the manager moulded a panel of players together.
Tactics and substitutions indeed sunk Horan in both AI finals.
Quote from: Syferus on September 02, 2014, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: BarryBreensBandage on September 02, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 02, 2014, 04:39:01 AM
One similarity between Horan and Cunningham this year was their failure make a switch despite glaring problems at full-back, which certainly in Mayo's case cost them the game. Ronan Burke v Seamie Callanan and Cafferkey v Donaghy were two of the biggest mismatches your likely to see and neither was remedied. In both situations, it beggared belief.
The Mayo footballers are miles ahead of the Galway hurlers though and have been one of the Top 4 for the last few years while Galway had an uncharacteristically good year in 2012 and have been way off since. Horan prepares his teams really well but he has more to work with. Cunningham had the Galway team giving it absolutely everything this year but the quality wasn't there. Who of the Galway players would make the Kilkenny or Tipp teams? Joe would and you could make a case for Brehony, Andy Smyth and Johnny Glynn but that's about it. Horan turned Mayo into an elite team but if he'd been tactically better they'd have a couple of All-Irelands to boot.
From what I can recall of their All Ireland losses, there wasn't much wrong with the tactics, rather time after time Horan was let down by his players, especially the forwards. Some of their shooting in the AIFs was atrocious, and it was usually after playing perfect football in the semi final. In a way, Horan reminds me a lot of James McCartan in that he had most of the players buying in some of the time, instead of all the time.
McCartan, like Horan, did a hell of a lot in saving his county's football team, but, for some reason the conviction was not quite 100%. I thought both men weren't bad for the tactics.
That Mayo team were incredibly consistent. The conviction or the application were never at fault under Horan, sadly. Almost no comparison to how wildly inconsistent Down were under McCartan. Tactics and substitutions indeed sunk Horan in both AI finals.
Fair enough - all I know is that the last two finals I watched with Mayo in it, I knew after fifteen minutes they were beat, firstly because their free takers missed simple scores, and also their shot taking from free play.
The similarity I was making with Down was that on any given day, both teams seemed to be able to compete with anyone if they put their mind to it, and play superb football.
In no way am I saying that Down had the calibre of players that Mayo had (although Down did beat them in Div 1!) but I always felt similar sympathy for both men trying to explain defeats when it was the players who had messed up.
No manager can prepare for basic errors.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 02, 2014, 10:38:13 PM
He was mentioned along with McStay during an interview with Aidan O 'Shea
http://t.co/qqtKfZhO7x
Ah right, I heard that - they mentioned them in reference to Kieran Shannon's article in the examiner. Was hoping you had heard it from somewhere more substantial!!
Pat Holmes has ruled himself out according to the Mayo news. hasnt the time apparently.
one horse race so, although our chairman has said it'll be the same process as the last time, which was:
subcommitee setup, was leaning towards Tommy Lyons as our chairman thought he was the man, lots of banging on tables and eventually Horan was reluctantly given the job.
Yes, indeed, it'll be John Maughan with Mickey Moran as water carrier, all our 00 nightmares rolled into one.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 03, 2014, 10:01:57 AM
Pat Holmes has ruled himself out according to the Mayo news. hasnt the time apparently.
one horse race so, although our chairman has said it'll be the same process as the last time, which was:
subcommitee setup, was leaning towards Tommy Lyons as our chairman thought he was the man, lots of banging on tables and eventually Horan was reluctantly given the job.
Yes, indeed, it'll be John Maughan with Mickey Moran as water carrier, all our 00 nightmares rolled into one.
Well that's good news of a sort anyway.
No personal offence to the man but I'd sooner see St. Patrick getting the gig than him.
Sure he couldnt possibly take offence from that :)
Why do you say that though? I know little about the man personally, but his record is good.
4 U-21 Connacht Titles
1 U-21 All Ireland Title
1 Senior NFL Title
1 Senior Club Connacht Title, All Ireland Runners up
1 think K Mac is:
1 Senior Club All Ireland (plus 1 Senior Club Connacht Title)
1 U-21 Connacht Title, All Ireland Runners Up
Based on CVs Holmes appears the more impressive, but its immaterial now, just wondering why he is not rated
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 03, 2014, 12:33:47 PM
Sure he couldnt possibly take offence from that :)
Why do you say that though? I know little about the man personally, but his record is good.
4 U-21 Connacht Titles
1 U-21 All Ireland Title
1 Senior NFL Title
1 Senior Club Connacht Title, All Ireland Runners up
1 think K Mac is:
1 Senior Club All Ireland (plus 1 Senior Club Connacht Title)
1 U-21 Connacht Title, All Ireland Runners Up
Based on CVs Holmes appears the more impressive, but its immaterial now, just wondering why he is not rated
Solely to do with his spell in charge of the seniors unfortunately. That period covered three Connacht championships with no silverware, a first round exit to Sligo in the 2000 Connacht C'ship (no qualifiers then) and a first round qualifier exit to Westmeath in 01 (I think). His best C'ship record was 02 when they got to the all Ireland quarter final v Cork and lost, to my memory the most boring game of football I'd ever watched. While he won the league in 01, that league campaign was tainted due to Tyrone having to withdraw due to the foot and mouth crisis when they were strong favourites to win the league. Unfortunately for Pat, he took the job having little management experience and throughout that period, other than the league, achieved very little despite having, on paper anyway a pretty good squad (Burke, Cahill, the 2 Connellys, Nallen, Ruane, Brady, Colm Mc, Ciaran Mc, the 2 Mortimers etc). That run is probably why not too many people want to see him back, despite what he's achieved since.
Will David Brady get a gig with the lads, water man or kit lad ?
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
Will David Brady get a gig with the lads, water man or kit lad ?
He'll be in charge of the microphones.
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
Will David Brady get a gig with the lads, water man or kit lad ?
He'll be in charge of the microphones.
I'd put him full back if it were up to me.
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 03, 2014, 04:26:16 PM
Will David Brady get a gig with the lads, water man or kit lad ?
He'll be in charge of the microphones.
He wouldn't need microphones to be heard.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
That's what we're up against. How do these clowns on the county board ever get elected.
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 02, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 02, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
Nice piece of writing from Kieran Shannon..
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/kieran-shannon-farewell-james-but-your-mayo-marvels-will-finish-the-job-284511.html)
Nice one Dinny. I really hope we don't mess up the appointment of Horan's replacement. In fairness to James he put the structures in place now for the next man and there is no need to go into his tactical limitations as what he achieved far outweighs the mistakes he made in the big days.
I have heard the loose talk on some other sites about getting a big outside name like Jack O'Connor but I think that would be a disaster for us and Jack or any other big name outside manager. Anyway the only outside man I would really want would be Tony McEntee but the piece above spells out why this unfortunately can't happen at the moment.
I suppose the old reliables of Maughan , Tommy Lyons and Antony McGarry will be in the contest but have had their shot so please no!!!!
Pat Holmes would have a good case but I think he would be too similar to Horan and in my eyes shares the exact same weaknesses and strengths so it would be a case of different person same message which won't work at this stage.
I think Kevin McStay is the front runner with Noel Connelly his main challenger. Enda Gillvary will be wanted by some but I would prefer to let him stay another year with the minors then maybe progress to the U21's for a few years before pushing him into the top job. Maybe someone like Mickey Moyles or Dennis Kearney should be considered as they have solid cv's at this stage while not being celeb names and maybe Peter Forde has something to offer along with being very experienced although not many County Board men would want him after his perceived betrayal of them as captain in 1992!!
Let's just get the right man to move us on a bit while bringing a bit of a more tactical slant to how we set up (defensively and offensively) and not some hero to drive us up the summit. We have the talent to bring through and a solid base to work off so let's hold our nerve and get this right.
I would agree with this with one caveat.
If a group of senior players, representing the players, approached the county board with an agreed target in mind, who is willing, then I think it should be considered.
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
That's what we're up against. How do these clowns on the county board ever get elected.
Connacht telegraph? Not to be taken too seriously I'd have thought??
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 03, 2014, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
That's what we're up against. How do these clowns on the county board ever get elected.
Connacht telegraph? Not to be taken too seriously I'd have thought??
What's wrong with Connelly? He'd be a fine appointment.
Conelley would be my preferred choic of the candidates so far. He would know these bucks inside out, he would know who was able for the step up with his work with the development squads too.
would love if Connelly got the job but I am not to sure he will put his name forward.
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
That's what we're up against. How do these clowns on the county board ever get elected.
What's the problem with Connelly? He was joint manager of the u21s in 2006 and I always thought that all-Ireland was more to do with Connelly than Holmes. I think he could be a good appointment.
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2014, 11:42:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 03, 2014, 11:30:36 PM
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
That's what we're up against. How do these clowns on the county board ever get elected.
Connacht telegraph? Not to be taken too seriously I'd have thought??
What's wrong with Connelly? He'd be a fine appointment.
Nothing wrong with Connelly (except he should have achieved a bit more with an exceptional group of u21s in my view) but the county board man crying in public about the fact that Horan never told them he was off and the bit about 'rules' for the next manager.
They won't be happy until they dismantle this squad of players. Looking for more of a yes man now I'd say
Quote from: Tubberman on September 04, 2014, 07:03:40 AM
Quote from: Chimley on September 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 03, 2014, 10:07:42 PM
http://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/09/03/4032333-connelly-front-runner-for-mayo-job/
Ummm
That's what we're up against. How do these clowns on the county board ever get elected.
What's the problem with Connelly? He was joint manager of the u21s in 2006 and I always thought that all-Ireland was more to do with Connelly than Holmes. I think he could be a good appointment.
Looked great in 2006 but I'd be less impressed with our tactics against Laois in 2007 (admittedly with 14 men) , Kerry 2008 and Down 2009. Looking at the raw materials we certainly didnt achieve anything we shouldn't have.
Yeah, whats his record with Hollymount like?
Ya see when you look at James and his track record up to that you could see that he had the ability to bring a group of players together and achieve things that they hadn't achieved before. Is that the case with Ray - what could he bring to it to get Mayo finally over the line? Those are genuine questions to those who may know more about him than me. We dont really have the luxury at this stage of just trying something. Of course there are no guarantees but we'd want to be fairly sure that the man for the job has a good chance. Past Performance indicates Future Performance generally so thats why this persons track record is so important.
Mayo at the moment remind me a bit of Munster, and thats not just with the losing finals thing, what I mean by that is that you have a very strong group of players there who know what they want and what they need. I reckon if the county board try to throw someone in who they think is not up to it, we might have a bit of a player revolt, and that might be no harm if they put someone in place who we all know from the beginning isnt up to it - as long as it doesn't get destructive a la Cork and to a lesser extent Limerick hurlers.
If the county board throw in some eeijet who they would be happy with because he will do their bidding and follow the "rules" which leads to a slow dismantling of the team then we may as well have a player revolt to stop that from happening.
Fans have a role to play in this too, I'd hope that the likes of Mayo club 51 and Cairde MaighEo will stand up and be counted here if it looks like we are going down the wrong road. The fear is that there are still many issues in the structures that we have and that JH dragged us kicking and screaming to the top table, its very very easy to fall below that again, very quickly.
As a cousin in Kilcolny said to me last year when we kicked the shite outta them in Pearce Stadium, "we'll still win the next all ireland before ye", he could easily be right if we feck up the next move.
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
I believe he has to get the players mentally tuned in for big games Shrewdness. And none of this 'Game 5/6' whatever shite. Sorry but it really grated with me last year even though I didn't like to say it, it definitely did this year when I heard some Mitchels man counting all the games from the beginning of the club championship to the AI club final as 'Game 13' or something Call it for what it is, it's an All-Ireland final. Why not address the bloody mental side of things first and foremost and then go into the final positively.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2014, 08:48:11 PM
I believe he has to get the players mentally tuned in for big games Shrewdness. And none of this 'Game 5/6' whatever shite. Sorry but it really grated with me last year even though I didn't like to say it, it definitely did this year when I heard some Mitchels man counting all the games from the beginning of the club championship to the AI club final as 'Game 13' or something Call it for what it is, it's an All-Ireland final. Why not address the bloody mental side of things first and foremost and then go into the final positively.
I don't think mentality or attitude were a problem under Horan. There were very few problems really, the next man would need to be a top, top manager to do better than Horan. That bit of cuteness and quick thinking on the line is probably all that was lacking.
Rule No. 1 and the only rule for an appointment as Mayo Manager......you must be a die-hard blue-shirt. No non Fine Gael heads need apply.........not sure what political colour McStay is, nor do I care, but if he's not a lover of our esteemed leader Enda he might as well forget about the job straight away.
That said, N.C has a mighty track record, sure didn't he put a fine roof on the shed in McHale Park.........
My own opinion is that there should be no going back to the past and McStay should be given a crack at it..........down the line I see one Andy Moran as our next manager in waiting!!!!!!!
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Was that keane?? Gees he's bigger than i remembered but yeah the one on one thing was bad too.
I hope they can get a good manager. Very few competitive teams at the top end and if one drop off will make the championship a lot more boring.
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Unfortunately the following seems to back this up.
from the Irish Examiner
"Resources may also be a sticking point for Horan's replacement as the board intends cutting overheads"from the Connaught Telegraph
"There is a special Croke Park charter for appointing a county manager. But we are entitled to add to this charter and we will be drawing up criteria for all the applicants for the job."
It seems the county board will move fast on the new appointment and a new manager is expected to be in place in the next month to six weeks. It is also evident the county board will have some set rules for the next manager."Factor in the rumours after last years all Ireland of rows between Horan and the board over travel arrangements and accommodation and then more recently over the intermediate quarter finals, it looks like the next guy in the hot seat is going to be well shackled by the CB. If this group of players ever do win the all Ireland, like 51 it will be in spite of the county board, not because of it.
Quote from: bucko on September 04, 2014, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Unfortunately the following seems to back this up.
from the Irish Examiner "Resources may also be a sticking point for Horan's replacement as the board intends cutting overheads"
from the Connaught Telegraph ""There is a special Croke Park charter for appointing a county manager. But we are entitled to add to this charter and we will be drawing up criteria for all the applicants for the job."
It seems the county board will move fast on the new appointment and a new manager is expected to be in place in the next month to six weeks. It is also evident the county board will have some set rules for the next manager."
Factor in the rumours after last years all Ireland of rows between Horan and the board over travel arrangements and accommodation and then more recently over the intermediate quarter finals, it looks like the next guy in the hot seat is going to be well shackled by the CB. If this group of players ever do win the all Ireland, like 51 it will be in spite of the county board, not because of it.
Ah c'mon now. Ye built a massive palace in Castlebar and have been burning through money under Horan. It's only natural that there would need to be cuts after the Cap stepped down.
Your CB did nearly everything asked of them under Horan and it certainly wasn't their fault he never got over the line. That's more than a lot of counties get from their board.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Was that keane?? Gees he's bigger than i remembered but yeah the one on one thing was bad too.
I hope they can get a good manager. Very few competitive teams at the top end and if one drop off will make the championship a lot more boring.
Not optimistic. I was delighted Horan got the gig ahead of Lyons. It was probably too late for likes of Micko and Paudi by then, even though I'd have liked to see how they got on in 2007.
Jack O Connor has been mentioned in dispatches.
Always thought James Nallen would become s top manager but maybe has moved on. Could get fiery enough next month.
What is the process / timelines for picking the new manager?
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2014, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 04, 2014, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Unfortunately the following seems to back this up.
from the Irish Examiner "Resources may also be a sticking point for Horan's replacement as the board intends cutting overheads"
from the Connaught Telegraph ""There is a special Croke Park charter for appointing a county manager. But we are entitled to add to this charter and we will be drawing up criteria for all the applicants for the job."
It seems the county board will move fast on the new appointment and a new manager is expected to be in place in the next month to six weeks. It is also evident the county board will have some set rules for the next manager."
Factor in the rumours after last years all Ireland of rows between Horan and the board over travel arrangements and accommodation and then more recently over the intermediate quarter finals, it looks like the next guy in the hot seat is going to be well shackled by the CB. If this group of players ever do win the all Ireland, like 51 it will be in spite of the county board, not because of it.
Ah c'mon now. Ye built a massive palace in Castlebar and have been burning through money under Horan. It's only natural that there would need to be cuts after the Cap stepped down.
Your CB did nearly everything asked of them under Horan and it certainly wasn't their fault he never got over the line. That's more than a lot of counties get from their board.
The massive palace in Castlebar and the associated debt was certainly their fault, and is a factor in cutting all these overheads. The board probably wasn't in a strong position to say no to Horan in the first place. If Horan had walked at any point and it came out it was because the board refused Horan resources there would have been uproar from supporters which could have impacted Cairde Maigheo uptake and subsequently the finances. That and the club fixtures issue gives the impression that there are self interests working against each other to the detriment of the county set up.
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2014, 11:49:23 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 04, 2014, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 04, 2014, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
If you look at tyrone or armagh the guys before the ai winning managers did great jobs but just fell that wee bit short of winning then big joe and mickey harte came in and had that wee bit extra. Maybe that could happen in mayo?
Horan did a fantastic job. Where mayo are now compared to where they were before him was night and day.
If you look at donegal two years ago they were firing on all cylinders and really blitzed everyone. They struggled with mayo big time.
I guess that game could actually tell you the good and bad of horan. He built a team that could compete with anyone but in making changes he sometimes fell a wee bit short like he did leaving the smaller defender, who's name escapes me, on murphy.
Keane is probably our biggest defender! But I know what you mean I think. For me it was allowing Murphy isolated 1 on 1. The Donaghy thing this year was a bit innocent as well.
As regards the future. Glad that Holmes not interested. He s had his stint and coułdn t understand why he was involved at U21 later.
Connelly's U21 record with Holmes is ok but Alan Mulholland shows that underage success is of no relevance.
Most worrying is the attitude of the clubs. Paddy Mac is going to appease the clubs it seems. Horan was hugely resented and if the board get their way we ll be looking at a patsy appointment.
Can't have it both ways. The fact that Horan was given most of what he wanted and came up short gives the clubs a large stick to beat the executive.
Paddy is already appeasing ( recent meeting a clubman claimed that the tail/Horan was wagging the dog/ board) the clubs and you can be sure that the committee that is sent out to interview the next manager will be telling those interested that they won't be able to get club matches postponed e.g.
We could find that we end up with slack enough candidates.
Unfortunately the following seems to back this up.
from the Irish Examiner "Resources may also be a sticking point for Horan's replacement as the board intends cutting overheads"
from the Connaught Telegraph ""There is a special Croke Park charter for appointing a county manager. But we are entitled to add to this charter and we will be drawing up criteria for all the applicants for the job."
It seems the county board will move fast on the new appointment and a new manager is expected to be in place in the next month to six weeks. It is also evident the county board will have some set rules for the next manager."
Factor in the rumours after last years all Ireland of rows between Horan and the board over travel arrangements and accommodation and then more recently over the intermediate quarter finals, it looks like the next guy in the hot seat is going to be well shackled by the CB. If this group of players ever do win the all Ireland, like 51 it will be in spite of the county board, not because of it.
Ah c'mon now. Ye built a massive palace in Castlebar and have been burning through money under Horan. It's only natural that there would need to be cuts after the Cap stepped down.
Your CB did nearly everything asked of them under Horan and it certainly wasn't their fault he never got over the line. That's more than a lot of counties get from their board.
The less said about the Taj Mahal the better. That was poorly thought out and more poorly executed.
Whatever about Horan s failure to win the prize, his success was because of his conviction and disregard for club bleating.
Always negative talk with us oirish. Isn't McHale park a fine stadium, money well spent and i hope there is more development over the years. And would ya look at the county man who's patronising Mayo GAA . a fookin rossie , the worst ground in Ireland , a bus worth half a million and a shite football team. You'd swear they knew something the way they speak.
If i win the euromillions tmrw night, ill donate 90% of my winnings to bringing the stand the whole way round the ground.
Larry, as i was the one who asked the question on page 7 about Mayo's new manager, i'm not sure whether it's me or Syferus that you're being critical of?. If it's me, there was nothing patronising about my comments. As for you calling Roscommon a shite team, we're well aware that's how a lot of Mayo people see us, but that didn't stop Ros giving Mayo a close game in June, did it?
It is most certainly not you shrewdness , your not a bad buckeen at all.
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
Now youre talkin Dan, i believe we could a very potent forward line in the years to come despite the lack of 21s success over the last few years.
Regan and Gallagher have to be given a right go. If Connelley gets it , he will know how the likes of Irwin and Tommy Conroy are doing as i presume they were part of under 19 squad this year. Conor o Shea and Diarmuid o conor arent going to be far away either but we have a few of that type too, its regan and gallagher that excites me.
The full back position has to be priority, we have to think about this position carefully, it has to be filled and im not saying to just dismiss Caff but its horses for courses, i actually thought Kevin Keane did slighly better than Caff on star. Keane lost a lot of confidence in 12 , he still has the makings of making a corner back slot his own imo.
All is not lost, Connacht title is not beyond Mayo for 15 but it will be tougher esp with an away trip to Galway on the cards.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 05, 2014, 09:12:10 PM
Now youre talkin Dan, i believe we could a very potent forward line in the years to come despite the lack of 21s success over the last few years.
Regan and Gallagher have to be given a right go. If Connelley gets it , he will know how the likes of Irwin and Tommy Conroy are doing as i presume they were part of under 19 squad this year. Conor o Shea and Diarmuid o conor arent going to be far away either but we have a few of that type too, its regan and gallagher that excites me.
The full back position has to be priority, we have to think about this position carefully, it has to be filled and im not saying to just dismiss Caff but its horses for courses, i actually thought Kevin Keane did slighly better than Caff on star. Keane lost a lot of confidence in 12 , he still has the makings of making a corner back slot his own imo.
All is not lost, Connacht title is not beyond Mayo for 15 but it will be tougher esp with an away trip to Galway on the cards.
All is far from lost Larryin89 the majority of our better players are still young and with a good rest should be rearing to go again next year.There has been positives from this year with Doherty showing he can operate at this level and the second coming of Parsons.I believe Regan and Gallagher will add significant firepower to our forward line and i also excited to see how it all pans out.Is Gallagher not more of a half forward though? If Dillon and Andy stay on and are happy to be impact subs we could have a serious forward line with great subs to bring in.Full forward is still the position we need to fill imo i used to think Freeman was the man for here but im not so sure his movement is not great and he just is not aggresive enough although i appreciate he is very low on confidence.I would be happy enough with caff at full back for certain games but alternatives need to be tried and tested.Is Mc Loughlin a guaranteed starter next year he has been off form for a long time now?
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
But why Regan and Gallagher being mentioned now? It's too late.
As regards stepping up. They already had but management preferred others - some of whom he couldn't use.
Martin McHugh in a column last spring said that the 2 were players would be big players for Mayo this year.
Too late now to be talking about those lads. God knows what kind of management we ll have going forward,
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
But why Regan and Gallagher being mentioned now? It's too late.
As regards stepping up. They already had but management preferred others - some of whom he couldn't use.
Martin McHugh in a column last spring said that the 2 were players would be big players for Mayo this year.
Too late now to be talking about those lads. God knows what kind of management we ll have going forward,
Moy if it was up to me Regan and Gallagher would have been in last year but we all know Horan had his favourites who rightly or wrongly he preffered.Why do you think its too late for these lads? You dont seem too optimistic on the management front either moy have u heard something?
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
But why Regan and Gallagher being mentioned now? It's too late.
As regards stepping up. They already had but management preferred others - some of whom he couldn't use.
Martin McHugh in a column last spring said that the 2 were players would be big players for Mayo this year.
Too late now to be talking about those lads. God knows what kind of management we ll have going forward,
Young Evan is eligible for the Ros, you should tell him if he wants a game he can get a fair shake of it in his father's county. ;)
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
But why Regan and Gallagher being mentioned now? It's too late.
As regards stepping up. They already had but management preferred others - some of whom he couldn't use.
Martin McHugh in a column last spring said that the 2 were players would be big players for Mayo this year.
Too late now to be talking about those lads. God knows what kind of management we ll have going forward,
Moy if it was up to me Regan and Gallagher would have been in last year but we all know Horan had his favourites who rightly or wrongly he preffered.Why do you think its too late for these lads? You dont seem too optimistic on the management front either moy have u heard something?
I m not optimistic about incoming management. Did ye not see Paddy Mac's comments?
As regards the others. If James O Donoghue was from Mayo would probably be in US for Summer. We ve had our chances to close the deal.
What comments moy? :(
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
But why Regan and Gallagher being mentioned now? It's too late.
As regards stepping up. They already had but management preferred others - some of whom he couldn't use.
Martin McHugh in a column last spring said that the 2 were players would be big players for Mayo this year.
Too late now to be talking about those lads. God knows what kind of management we ll have going forward,
Moy if it was up to me Regan and Gallagher would have been in last year but we all know Horan had his favourites who rightly or wrongly he preffered.Why do you think its too late for these lads? You dont seem too optimistic on the management front either moy have u heard something?
I m not optimistic about incoming management. Did ye not see Paddy Mac's comments?
As regards the others. If James O Donoghue was from Mayo would probably be in US for Summer. We ve had our chances to close the deal.
I would have thought those comments were to be expected Moy there posturing for position with whoever the new man is.
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 05, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
No manager is a silver bullet. This panel is operating very near its absolute maximum already. Is McEntee, totally unproven at IC level, going to be far better than probably Mayo's best manager of all-time? I doubt it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 05, 2014, 11:37:30 PM
What comments moy? :(
There in a link earlier Farr.
Basically he s saying that next manager will have to do what he s told. At a county board meeting in June Paddy was told he was a dog being wagged by the tail.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 05, 2014, 10:58:55 PM
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 05, 2014, 06:02:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 04, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
Horan's achievements are now well documented. He turned them into a serious outfit, but one that always just fell short.. A lot of you Mayo lads on here regularly attend club and county matches, so ye should know ye're stuff by now. So i have a question for ye...When the new manager takes over, and using all Horan's work as his foundation, what will it take to push this Mayo team over the line? Where should he look to find the extra 10 per cent performance required?
Another forward that can score heavily and crucially a forward that can do it in the big games.I am hoping Regan will step up and make the corner forward position his own under the new man.We also need a ball winning full forward.When plan A is not working we need to be able to kick the ball in long and make it stick.This could be anyone of Freeman Barry Moran Andy Moran Kirby or even Aiden o se depending on the new man.Adam Gallagher needs to be giving a real go he looks to be the real deal.The new man or woman needs to have some idea of tactics and not just hope for the best with the opposition danger man.Like all good teams we need a little bit of luck along the way.IMO we are not too far away and if the new man can build on the great work done by Horan and find 1 or 2 forwards ie Regan and Gallagher i would expect us to be challenging for honours next year aswell.
But why Regan and Gallagher being mentioned now? It's too late.
As regards stepping up. They already had but management preferred others - some of whom he couldn't use.
Martin McHugh in a column last spring said that the 2 were players would be big players for Mayo this year.
Too late now to be talking about those lads. God knows what kind of management we ll have going forward,
Moy if it was up to me Regan and Gallagher would have been in last year but we all know Horan had his favourites who rightly or wrongly he preffered.Why do you think its too late for these lads? You dont seem too optimistic on the management front either moy have u heard something?
I m not optimistic about incoming management. Did ye not see Paddy Mac's comments?
As regards the others. If James O Donoghue was from Mayo would probably be in US for Summer. We ve had our chances to close the deal.
I would have thought those comments were to be expected Moy there posturing for position with whoever the new man is.
Nah. Remember the shafting Mickey Moran got early when he demanded reasonable conditions.
Looks to me like executive are locking the doors and are manager will be a yes man.
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 05, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
No manager is a silver bullet. This panel is operating very near its absolute maximum already. Is McEntee, totally unproven at IC level, going to be far better than probably Mayo's best manager of all-time? I doubt it.
Why does McEntee's name keep cropping up?
Has anyone heard something I don't know?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 05, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 05, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
No manager is a silver bullet. This panel is operating very near its absolute maximum already. Is McEntee, totally unproven at IC level, going to be far better than probably Mayo's best manager of all-time? I doubt it.
Why does McEntee's name keep cropping up?
Has anyone heard something I don't know?
He was splashed as a cert for the Down job in the Belfast Telegraph today.. a month after the same paper explicitly said he'd ruled himself out of the Down job.
McEntee is a highly rated manager after his spell with Cross so he gets linked to most 'big' IC jobs.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 05, 2014, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 05, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
No manager is a silver bullet. This panel is operating very near its absolute maximum already. Is McEntee, totally unproven at IC level, going to be far better than probably Mayo's best manager of all-time? I doubt it.
Why does McEntee's name keep cropping up?
Has anyone heard something I don't know?
He s from Crossmaglen, and Brolly loves him.
Apparently if you manage a club AI win you re special.
Armagh managers have a great record on the road. O Rourke. Mc Geeney and Big Joe ( another Cross man).
I have a feeling we'll look back on these 4 years as 4 that slipped away. Especially if a yes man is installed.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 06, 2014, 12:13:25 AM
I have a feeling we'll look back on these 4 years as 4 that slipped away. Especially if a yes man is installed.
I think we need a 'No' man.....Farr-The job is yours! ;)
Another examiner article that's not exactly lifting my hopes for next year.....😠
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mayo-board-puts-tight-restrictions-on-new-boss-285039.html
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 05, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
No manager is a silver bullet. This panel is operating very near its absolute maximum already. Is McEntee, totally unproven at IC level, going to be far better than probably Mayo's best manager of all-time? I doubt it.
Any good manager would most likely be better than Horan next year for the simple reason that established players have to reprove themselves and those who got little game time would feel they've a clean slate with the new man. As long as the manager and his backroom are of the necessary quality then they'd most likely get a bit more out of the squad next year. McEntee would be a very good option IMO and well worth exploring.
Quote from: Zulu on September 06, 2014, 12:49:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 05, 2014, 11:45:27 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on September 05, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Am I alone in thinking Tony McEtee could turn the Mayo team into some outfit and get them over the line with a bit to spare?
No manager is a silver bullet. This panel is operating very near its absolute maximum already. Is McEntee, totally unproven at IC level, going to be far better than probably Mayo's best manager of all-time? I doubt it.
Any good manager would most likely be better than Horan next year for the simple reason that established players have to reprove themselves and those who got little game time would feel they've a clean slate with the new man. As long as the manager and his backroom are of the necessary quality then they'd most likely get a bit more out of the squad next year. McEntee would be a very good option IMO and well worth exploring.
There might be a lot less left in the tank than you're assuming. Very little complacency in that team this year. It's very up in the air if any manager would be about to get Mayo over the line next year. I wouldn't be putting much money on it happening. Best case scenario is Dublin in an AISF next year for Mayo. That mightn't even be winnable if Dublin keep improving.
McEntee sounds like he's already given the bishop's wave to Down so that isn't an option worth exploring at all.
QuoteMcEntee sounds like he's already given the bishop's wave to Down so that isn't an option worth exploring at all.
So an unverified media report means one of the most promising young managers in the country isn't worth a phone call to see if he has an interest? Of course it is.
QuoteThere might be a lot less left in the tank than you're assuming. Very little complacency in that team this year. It's very up in the air if any manager would be about to get Mayo over the line next year. I wouldn't be putting much money on it happening.
Sure that's potentially true of any team, I doubt there's complacency in any All Ireland challenger. Nobody can be sure if Mayo can improve but players like Regan, Feeney and Freeman might all add more to Mayo under a new man. COC and AOS can improve further and there's no reason to think the likes of SOS, Keegan, Higgins, Boyle and others will regress under any decent manager. Mayo have a top quality squad and they should be considering all options carefully as a 'handy' appointment might find them back in the pack whereas an astute appointment might get them over the line.
Talk around armagh is that down won't happen now - Mourne men aren't prepared to meet the finances
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 06, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Talk around armagh is that down won't happen now - Mourne men aren't prepared to meet the finances
Hey? Hasn't he just been appointed?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 06, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Talk around armagh is that down won't happen now - Mourne men aren't prepared to meet the finances
Well he's unlikely to get much out of Mayo either....
Why is McEntee held in such high regard?
Logically, if the goal is to win the all Ireland than the candidate is Jack O'Connor - who else out there who is available has won all irelands in modern times and has been successful with other teams besides?
If the goal is something else than its someone else.
I'm not saying he'd take it or that we could afford him, but hes someone the players would instantly respond to and he knows how to get it done. I realise he has the Kerry minor gig but you'd have to presume he'd consider it if offered.
Now, from the noises from the county board hes the last person they'd want, wont be a yes man, will go to the mejia if needed and will want the best of everything.
But in that case, it'll be just pure blind luck if one of the other candidates comes in and we win it, but I cant see it.
Most likely outcome is that the next "cycle" will be poor enough and we'll really only be talking about mayo as all ireland contenders again when that man is gone and we're onto the next one. Depressing mind you.
We might be all in for a shock.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
We might be all in for a shock.
Horan to come back for another year?
Quote from: Chimley on September 08, 2014, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 08, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
We might be all in for a shock.
Horan to come back for another year?
I think the only thing you can be sure of is that Horan won't be returning.
Even if he didn't have family and work commitments, the CB have got rid of him and whoever replaces him will have to dance to their tune.
If ye snub McStay it makes it even more likely he'll be enticed by the real home job in Roscommon when it comes up. It would be a nice favour to do us :-*
Feck off Syfín.
We had enough of army managers fcukin us up already >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2014, 02:03:48 PM
Feck off Syfín.
We had enough of army managers fcukin us up already >:(
This lad actually likes Roscommon and isn't trying to destroy it from the inside, though. Sure didn't he chair our football report last year that's been the heart of all the good developments in Roscommon football at an organisational level this year?
Oh, and he's actually a good manager. That's important too.
Local paper says that McEntee was very critical of James Horan's tenure in his columnin the Examiner.
Never read him. Anybody know anything about that?
Here's one: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/tony-mcentee/tony-mcentee-employing-sweeper-very-nearly-a-calamity-283453.html
Read his articles al the time and I wouldn't say he was critical of James Horan.
Quote from: Zulu on September 08, 2014, 09:21:49 PM
Read his articles al the time and I wouldn't say he was critical of James Horan.
It has to be said that McEntee was on the money in that link by Iolar above.
Its Connellys .
Quote from: larryin89 on September 11, 2014, 09:29:36 PM
Its Connellys .
4/9 fav Noel Connelly, Mc Stay is 13/8 on Mulholland
What's the process for this??
Deadline for nominations is Thursday 18th at 11pm
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/338265/Update_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/338265/Update_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Quote from: Tubberman on September 12, 2014, 09:17:37 AM
Deadline for nominations is Thursday 18th at 11pm
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/338265/Update_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/338265/Update_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Who's been nominated so far does anyone know
no body has been nominated yet so all this talk of Connelly having got the job based on his bookie odds is not true.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on September 15, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I wonder could we get installed as CB chairman for a couple of years!?
any other candidates?
What about Dermot Flanagan - hear he was a great man to train and motivate Ballaghadreen this year (and in a prev year).
An extremely passionate man on football and Mayo football.
very astute and most def not a yes man.
prob wouldn't be looking to break the bank either.
wouldn't tolerate any BS though.
A leader on the field and a man who could motivate and lead the Mayo squad right now!
imo
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on September 15, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Tight dig at mortimer in there...
Quote from: haranguerer on September 15, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on September 15, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Tight dig at mortimer in there...
Didnt rule out C McDoanld either ;)
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 15, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 15, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on September 15, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Tight dig at mortimer in there...
Didnt rule out C McDoanld either ;)
Nah, McDonald was a baller. Might have liked his flash fashion but a harder or more committed worker you were unlikely to get anywhere. Rarely gave interviews and a tough man to boot, down the bottom of pipe trenches most days before training and then go bust his arse playing ball. Unlike that other clown who thought the whole thing was about him.
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 15, 2014, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 15, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 15, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on September 15, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Tight dig at mortimer in there...
Didnt rule out C McDoanld either ;)
Nah, McDonald was a baller. Might have liked his flash fashion but a harder or more committed worker you were unlikely to get anywhere. Rarely gave interviews and a tough man to boot, down the bottom of pipe trenches most days before training and then go bust his arse playing ball. Unlike that other clown who thought the whole thing was about him.
Yes indeed, I was just kidding, a savage footballer...................................We all know who Horan is on about ;)
Quote from: Msgr. Horan on September 15, 2014, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 15, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on September 15, 2014, 03:50:47 PM
Quote from: Mayo Club 51 on September 15, 2014, 01:26:13 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-hits-out-at-mayo-county-board-1.1929401?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Tight dig at mortimer in there...
Didnt rule out C McDoanld either ;)
Nah, McDonald was a baller. Might have liked his flash fashion but a harder or more committed worker you were unlikely to get anywhere. Rarely gave interviews and a tough man to boot, down the bottom of pipe trenches most days before training and then go bust his arse playing ball. Unlike that other clown who thought the whole thing was about him.
James Horan on Donaghy
Quote"[ON DONAGHY] We had been on the road for four years at that stage and it's laughable to suggest that we had no plan to deal with a situation, but those kind of comments don't bother me. I've heard suggestions that we should have put the two O'Sheas or David Clarke on him with Barry (Moran) in goal and Jason Gibbons sweeping in front of him. Mad stuff.
"Look, forget all this talk. We had numerous plans to deal with all situations and Ger Cafferkey is a superb full-back, end of story. The supply of ball into their full-forward line was the problem. However it's time to let that go and move on."
what I said after the game
Quote
People talked about sacrificing a midfielder on him e.g AOS but that would have been sacrificing your best player and would have been an even more obvious suicide.The problem wasn't the full back line it was the delivery. The delivery was good and consistent and that all stemmed from us winning midfield. It doesn't matter who you are talking about, Cillian O'Connor, JOD, Donaghy..if you get that much quality ball you will clean up.
just sayin, like.... ;)
Problem was always in midfield. No full-back would live with a malfunctioning midfield meaning balls like that repeatedly dropping in on top of you.
Quote"I couldn't believe it at first. Croke Park is the place where everyone wants to play – it's the place where the big games should be played and suddenly we were packed off to Limerick.
"Kerry had played there regularly and were well used to the place and we, rightly, questioned why it hadn't been scheduled for Thurles or another venue if it had to be taken out of Croke Park.
Kerry have played there once in the last 8 years. 11 Kerry players were playing there for their first time at senior level with maybe one other game at underage if at all.
Hardly what I'd call regularly.
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 15, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
any other candidates?
What about Dermot Flanagan - hear he was a great man to train and motivate Ballaghadreen this year (and in a prev year).
An extremely passionate man on football and Mayo football.
very astute and most def not a yes man.
prob wouldn't be looking to break the bank either.
wouldn't tolerate any BS though.
A leader on the field and a man who could motivate and lead the Mayo squad right now!
imo
Cleaned in a couple of finals. Always had a bit of an opinion about himself (and his heritage) according to mates of mine (from Mayo) who met him out.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Really?
Once in the last 8 years is a lot more regularly than we ve played there ;).
This whole episode has left a sour taste in the county unfortunately.
Our county board let the team down by rolling over and having their tummies tickled. No surprise there.
What is more worrying now is that they may appoint a table thumper and a yes man.
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Really?
Once in the last 8 years is a lot more regularly than we ve played there ;).
This whole episode has left a sour taste in the county unfortunately.
Our county board let the team down by rolling over and having their tummies tickled. No surprise there.
What is more worrying now is that they may appoint a table thumper and a yes man.
I wonder how many Kerry players played there at minor or u21 level?
I was told that quite a few of them did. I dunno- just sayin' what I heard, like.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Don't judge Horan on the Irish Times piece AZ. The actual interview itself is longer. The Times only pulled the quotes that sounded controversial.
From a Mayo point of view, what was really interesting in the article is what Horan had to say about the country board. People in Mayo are getting worried now about who'll replace Horan. The Board couldn't be small-minded enough to tie the hands of the next man with the team so close to glory? Could they?
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Really?
Once in the last 8 years is a lot more regularly than we ve played there ;).
This whole episode has left a sour taste in the county unfortunately.
Our county board let the team down by rolling over and having their tummies tickled. No surprise there.
What is more worrying now is that they may appoint a table thumper and a yes man.
A really sour Episode in the county for sure. The whole Limerick fixture a joke from start to finish! The total ignoring of the incompetence of the Referee from the media!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 15, 2014, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Don't judge Horan on the Irish Times piece AZ. The actual interview itself is longer. The Times only pulled the quotes that sounded controversial.
From a Mayo point of view, what was really interesting in the article is what Horan had to say about the country board. People in Mayo are getting worried now about who'll replace Horan. The Board couldn't be small-minded enough to tie the hands of the next man with the team so close to glory? Could they?
They could appoint somebody that won t need his hands tied. A capo and a patsy at the same time.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 15, 2014, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Really?
Once in the last 8 years is a lot more regularly than we ve played there ;).
This whole episode has left a sour taste in the county unfortunately.
Our county board let the team down by rolling over and having their tummies tickled. No surprise there.
What is more worrying now is that they may appoint a table thumper and a yes man.
I wonder how many Kerry players played there at minor or u21 level?
I was told that quite a few of them did. I dunno- just sayin' what I heard, like.
Kerry-Limerick minor games are usually played in Kilmallock.
Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2014, 11:18:33 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 15, 2014, 10:17:14 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 15, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Really?
Once in the last 8 years is a lot more regularly than we ve played there ;).
This whole episode has left a sour taste in the county unfortunately.
Our county board let the team down by rolling over and having their tummies tickled. No surprise there.
What is more worrying now is that they may appoint a table thumper and a yes man.
I wonder how many Kerry players played there at minor or u21 level?
I was told that quite a few of them did. I dunno- just sayin' what I heard, like.
Kerry-Limerick minor games are usually played in Kilmallock.
Missing the point. We don t play in Markievicz Park much but if we had an AI semi there - if it had capacity - it would have a home feel about it. Say against an Ulster or leinster team.
Quote from: mouview on September 15, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 15, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
any other candidates?
What about Dermot Flanagan - hear he was a great man to train and motivate Ballaghadreen this year (and in a prev year).
An extremely passionate man on football and Mayo football.
very astute and most def not a yes man.
prob wouldn't be looking to break the bank either.
wouldn't tolerate any BS though.
A leader on the field and a man who could motivate and lead the Mayo squad right now!
imo
Cleaned in a couple of finals. Always had a bit of an opinion about himself (and his heritage) according to mates of mine (from Mayo) who met him out.
Don't know about a couple of finals but def was injured in one which left him below par.
I understand a lot of people say he has an opinion of himself, but that's largely because he doesn't do the bullsiht mock self defacing negativity
Plus he is a highly educated well spoken guy - which often rubs people up the wrong way.
Ask any of the late 80's early 90's mayo teams or his club sides about his very progressive football thinking. Certainly not far off Jim McGuinness mentality when it comes to pushing boundaries in football training and preparation and tactics.
Def a good man to have in management team if not the actual manager.
Would kill for the mayo cause.
Lads, if Horan's point about Kerry being familiar with the Gaelic Grounds was valid, then his suggestion of Thurles as an alternative was odd to say the least. Portlaoise or Tullamore maybe.
But I think his main point was the lack of support from the CB. Every team will have members who make mistakes but, when that happens, if we can't rely on our teammates, management and supporters for back up, things get much more difficult.
Lookit, James would have been better off saying nothing.
"But those kind of comments don't bother me."
Says the man who comes up with a staunch defence to said comments.
Good man James u keep telling urself that u might even believe it.
Unbelievable cheap shot at county board,surely as manager the last thing he needed that wk was his chairman publicly havin a pop at the uachtaran whether he was entitled to or not.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Lookit, James would have been better off saying nothing.
+1.
Also how would a 2 or 3 day County Board squabble with HQ help the team's preparations?
Hopefully all this is a sign of Rhubarb disintegration :-*
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
"But those kind of comments don't bother me."
Says the man who comes up with a staunch defence to said comments.
Good man James u keep telling urself that u might even believe it.
Unbelievable cheap shot at county board,surely as manager the last thing he needed that wk was his chairman publicly havin a pop at the uachtaran whether he was entitled to or not.
Really? The
last thing he needed??
Of all of the things that could possibly go wrong over a week, you think the last thing he needed was the Chairman of the CB to criticise An t-Uachtarán for his daft insulting of everyone in Mayo?
What would be second last?
An outbreak of Ebola in Ballintubber taking out Cillian & Alan?
3rd last - the O'Sé brothers join Sydney Swans and leave immediately?
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 09:48:57 AM
Lads, if Horan's point about Kerry being familiar with the Gaelic Grounds was valid, then his suggestion of Thurles as an alternative was odd to say the least. Portlaoise or Tullamore maybe.
I suppose in his mind Thurles is regarded as a hurling field and the Tipperary footballers used to play their games in Ardfinnan. Although they've been back in Semple the last few years, not sure if Kerry have played there recently.
Yes they have. Kerry played Tipp there 2 years ago or so. And probably more underage as well. It makes no sense.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2014, 11:33:11 AM
Yes they have. Kerry played Tipp there 2 years ago or so. And probably more underage as well. It makes no sense.
It hardly makes that much difference if they played a game there a couple of years ago. It's a fairly flat, standard sized football pitch with posts at either end, not a golf course where you can learn what way the greens run or which bunkers to lay up behind.
Quote from: dferg on September 16, 2014, 11:38:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2014, 11:33:11 AM
Yes they have. Kerry played Tipp there 2 years ago or so. And probably more underage as well. It makes no sense.
It hardly makes that much difference if they played a game there a couple of years ago. It's a fairly flat, standard sized football pitch with posts at either end, not a golf course where you can learn what way the greens run or which bunkers to lay up behind.
I'm just answering the question Croí asked. And making the point that if Horan was concerned that Kerry were more familiar with Limerick than Mayo would be, the situation in Thurles would have been worse. It's nonsense.
Interview more or less copper fastened my opinion on Horan's public persona anyway.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2014, 11:41:18 AM
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Yes they have. Kerry played Tipp there 2 years ago or so. And probably more underage as well. It makes no sense.
It hardly makes that much difference if they played a game there a couple of years ago. It's a fairly flat, standard sized football pitch with posts at either end, not a golf course where you can learn what way the greens run or which bunkers to lay up behind.
I'm just answering the question Croí asked. And making the point that if Horan was concerned that Kerry were more familiar with Limerick than Mayo would be, the situation in Thurles would have been worse. It's nonsense.
I agree. Horan should just let it go. He was a very good manager who brought Mayo very close to being good enough to win an All Ireland. He just seems petty now moaning about everything.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Lookit, James would have been better off saying nothing.
Why?
Try and see it from his perspective and of the team. He had also finished his term in charge without that which he and his players had burst their guts for over four gruelling years.
I'd imagine his comments would have been more restrained if he hadn't been doing a live interview so soon after his resignation and not his while his emotions were still running high.
Frst of all, the game was switched from Croke Park to a venue that he and his team felt was giving Kerry an advantage, Secondly, the choice of Limerick meant the fans were going to have logistical problems getting to Limerick to put t mildly and to cap it all, Croker was ruled out for the replay in case it was needed for a Dublin/Donegal replay.
Talk about parity of esteem or rather the lack of same!
If all of that wasn't bad enough, their own CB didn't stand up for him and his players. Throw the fact that the ref made a proper dog's dinner of reffing the game and he felt hard done by some of his decisions.
While I'm at it, he had a long-running battle with the CB as he felt he wasn't getting enough support and resources from that quarter and he left the job on less than good terms with that august body.
Now, I ain't saying I'm in total agreement with him but I am trying to see things from his perspective.
Next time they get to an AI Semi final they might be so happy to be in it that they won't give 2 sh1tes where it's played (maybe even at the Hyde :o)
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Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 09:32:50 PM
I was going to comment on that nonsense, and then realised there was no point. Disappointing article from Horan. I thought more of him than that.
Really?
Once in the last 8 years is a lot more regularly than we ve played there ;).
This whole episode has left a sour taste in the county unfortunately.
Our county board let the team down by rolling over and having their tummies tickled. No surprise there.
What is more worrying now is that they may appoint a table thumper and a yes man.
I wonder how many Kerry players played there at minor or u21 level?
I was told that quite a few of them did. I dunno- just sayin' what I heard, like.
Kerry-Limerick minor games are usually played in Kilmallock.
Missing the point. We don t play in Markievicz Park much but if we had an AI semi there - if it had capacity - it would have a home feel about it. Say against an Ulster or leinster team.
Why did he want Thurles instead when Kerry have played there more regularly?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Lookit, James would have been better off saying nothing.
Tend to agree. Not sure what upside is, unless it makes the county board take on a more "professional" approach to fundraising and organization.
I Personally believe that he has brought Mayo football on leaps and bound. Don't forget when he took over four years ago Mayo had been dumped out of the championship by Longford. (no offense meant).
Another part of me is trying to understand that this job probably consumed his life for past four years, and he tended to go about his business in a relatively quite/ non media hound manner. Maybe he should get a pass on this interview.
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
"But those kind of comments don't bother me."
Says the man who comes up with a staunch defence to said comments.
Good man James u keep telling urself that u might even believe it.
Unbelievable cheap shot at county board,surely as manager the last thing he needed that wk was his chairman publicly havin a pop at the uachtaran whether he was entitled to or not.
Really? The last thing he needed??
Of all of the things that could possibly go wrong over a week, you think the last thing he needed was the Chairman of the CB to criticise An t-Uachtarán for his daft insulting of everyone in Mayo?
What would be second last?
An outbreak of Ebola in Ballintubber taking out Cillian & Alan?
3rd last - the O'Sé brothers join Sydney Swans and leave immediately?
Now ur just being silly.
U need pace for the AFL something lacking in the 2 thick bucks from Breaffy.
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
"But those kind of comments don't bother me."
Says the man who comes up with a staunch defence to said comments.
Good man James u keep telling urself that u might even believe it.
Unbelievable cheap shot at county board,surely as manager the last thing he needed that wk was his chairman publicly havin a pop at the uachtaran whether he was entitled to or not.
Really? The last thing he needed??
Of all of the things that could possibly go wrong over a week, you think the last thing he needed was the Chairman of the CB to criticise An t-Uachtarán for his daft insulting of everyone in Mayo?
What would be second last?
An outbreak of Ebola in Ballintubber taking out Cillian & Alan?
3rd last - the O'Sé brothers join Sydney Swans and leave immediately?
Now ur just being silly.
U need pace for the AFL something lacking in the 2 thick bucks from Breaffy.
Good man insulting players anonymously.
Looking at your argument and '
ur' spelling I'd say you are significantly thicker than they are.
Where are you from, or should I just guess?
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
"But those kind of comments don't bother me."
Says the man who comes up with a staunch defence to said comments.
Good man James u keep telling urself that u might even believe it.
Unbelievable cheap shot at county board,surely as manager the last thing he needed that wk was his chairman publicly havin a pop at the uachtaran whether he was entitled to or not.
Really? The last thing he needed??
Of all of the things that could possibly go wrong over a week, you think the last thing he needed was the Chairman of the CB to criticise An t-Uachtarán for his daft insulting of everyone in Mayo?
What would be second last?
An outbreak of Ebola in Ballintubber taking out Cillian & Alan?
3rd last - the O'Sé brothers join Sydney Swans and leave immediately?
Now ur just being silly.
U need pace for the AFL something lacking in the 2 thick bucks from Breaffy.
Good man insulting players anonymously.
Looking at your argument and 'ur' spelling I'd say you are significantly thicker than they are.
Where are you from, or should I just guess?
What a bizarre line you've taken on this argument.
Wading in to pick on a turn of phrase "the last thing he needs" and then crying when the tone of the response matches the tone of your own stupid post.
Quote from: Keane on September 16, 2014, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 02:15:37 PM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 02:00:21 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 11:07:54 AM
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
"But those kind of comments don't bother me."
Says the man who comes up with a staunch defence to said comments.
Good man James u keep telling urself that u might even believe it.
Unbelievable cheap shot at county board,surely as manager the last thing he needed that wk was his chairman publicly havin a pop at the uachtaran whether he was entitled to or not.
Really? The last thing he needed??
Of all of the things that could possibly go wrong over a week, you think the last thing he needed was the Chairman of the CB to criticise An t-Uachtarán for his daft insulting of everyone in Mayo?
What would be second last?
An outbreak of Ebola in Ballintubber taking out Cillian & Alan?
3rd last - the O'Sé brothers join Sydney Swans and leave immediately?
Now ur just being silly.
U need pace for the AFL something lacking in the 2 thick bucks from Breaffy.
Good man insulting players anonymously.
Looking at your argument and 'ur' spelling I'd say you are significantly thicker than they are.
Where are you from, or should I just guess?
What a bizarre line you've taken on this argument.
Wading in to pick on a turn of phrase "the last thing he needs" and then crying when the tone of the response matches the tone of your own stupid post.
Which is exactly what you've done!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Next time they get to an AI Semi final they might be so happy to be in it that they won't give 2 sh1tes where it's played (maybe even at the Hyde :o)
Always thought this was a lame enough argument - "ah sure lads ye should be happy to be there, theres plenty teams would kill to be where ye are"
Its kinda like the Saipan/Roy Keane think. Should you be happy to mulluck along or maybe you want the level of professionalism and work you bring to a team to be shown outside of the team?
I know which I'd prefer for Mayo, the days of being happy to be there are long gone, thanks god
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
Which is exactly what you've done!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess you don't really know what constitutes crying or you'd be embarrassed to do so much of it.
Quote from: Keane on September 16, 2014, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
Which is exactly what you've done!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess you don't really know what constitutes crying or you'd be embarrassed to do so much of it.
Wow. That is about the greatest comeback in the history of the internet.
I am truly in awe.
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 02:44:23 PM
Quote from: Keane on September 16, 2014, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 16, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
Which is exactly what you've done!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess you don't really know what constitutes crying or you'd be embarrassed to do so much of it.
Wow. That is about the greatest comeback in the history of the internet.
I am truly in awe.
You are a strange individual.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Next time they get to an AI Semi final they might be so happy to be in it that they won't give 2 sh1tes where it's played (maybe even at the Hyde :o)
You see that's the way the loser thinks. Do you think any of the AI winners of the last 10 years were just happy to be in an AI semi-final when they got there?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 16, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 16, 2014, 12:06:09 PM
Next time they get to an AI Semi final they might be so happy to be in it that they won't give 2 sh1tes where it's played (maybe even at the Hyde :o)
You see that's the way the loser thinks. Do you think any of the AI winners of the last 10 years were just happy to be in an AI semi-final when they got there?
They all HAD to get to the Semi Final first though.
28 Counties would have been happy to be in Mayowr's position this year and would be delighted to play and try to win the Semi at whatever venue they were sent to.
Anyway the point was that by the time ye next get to a Semi...... ;) which might be a while judging by the fears being expressed here by many rhus as to the level of manager ye might be appointing next.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 16, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 16, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Lookit, James would have been better off saying nothing.
Why?
Try and see it from his perspective and of the team. He had also finished his term in charge without that which he and his players had burst their guts for over four gruelling years.
I'd imagine his comments would have been more restrained if he hadn't been doing a live interview so soon after his resignation and not his while his emotions were still running high.
Frst of all, the game was switched from Croke Park to a venue that he and his team felt was giving Kerry an advantage, Secondly, the choice of Limerick meant the fans were going to have logistical problems getting to Limerick to put t mildly and to cap it all, Croker was ruled out for the replay in case it was needed for a Dublin/Donegal replay.
Talk about parity of esteem or rather the lack of same!
If all of that wasn't bad enough, their own CB didn't stand up for him and his players. Throw the fact that the ref made a proper dog's dinner of reffing the game and he felt hard done by some of his decisions.
While I'm at it, he had a long-running battle with the CB as he felt he wasn't getting enough support and resources from that quarter and he left the job on less than good terms with that august body.
Now, I ain't saying I'm in total agreement with him but I am trying to see things from his perspective.
I understand Lar, however, the simple truth of the matter is that the ref & the venue would not have mattered if he hadn't sat looking at Cafferky being mauled under every single high ball.
Saying a player has no pace is hardly an insult.I'm not the one crying on here.
However I do accept these are sensitive times in Rhubarbland.
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 04:52:37 PM
Saying a player has no pace is hardly an insult.I'm not the one crying on here.
However I do accept these are sensitive times in Rhubarbland.
Did you forget that you said this?
Quotethe 2 thick bucks from Breaffy.
I think you've proved my point.
Funny how Roscommon people come out to post in times when there's a hint of upheaval in Mayo.
Of course not Muppet.But it sure was funny sidestepping it.
Quote from: Collie Brolly on September 16, 2014, 05:04:29 PM
Of course not Muppet.But it sure was funny sidestepping it.
Ah, the Rossie side-step.
The best dance since: (http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/760779/carlton-dance-o.gif)
Where is the Green above the Red?
I'm on about the photo now,not Sunday!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Funny how Roscommon people come out to post in times when there's a hint of upheaval in Mayo.
The rest of Connacht are happy to see Mayo returning to the circus it was, don't pin it all on us Farr :-*
In all seriousness Horan going all Lone Ranger on the situation really benefits no one. The Mort jibes were pretty cheap, the rest was about right but not exactly what Mayo needed right now.
Calling the O'Sheas thick is twattery, though. No need for that.
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2014, 06:42:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Funny how Roscommon people come out to post in times when there's a hint of upheaval in Mayo.
The rest of Connacht are happy to see Mayo returning to the circus it was, don't pin it all on us Farr :-*
In all seriousness Horan going all Lone Ranger on the situation really benefits no one. The Mort jibes were pretty cheap, the rest was about right but not exactly what Mayo needed right now.
Calling the O'Sheas thick is twattery, though. No need for that.
I have to say I agree with all of that! :o I don't think Horan timed the interview correctly, and could have left the 'funding' thing out of it as well. I believe the county team were very well funded under his tenure. I suppose looking at it from his pov, he took us to 2 AIFs, got no breaks and is angry he's not involved in a third. I suppose I'd be feeling the same myself if I were him.
All things considered I think Horan has been pretty reserved.
Ok, there was stuff about the team and tactics that I wouldn t have agreed with but so what? He got so much right.
'neutrals' on here saying an unprecedented venue for an AI semi and a refereeing performance that was desperate at best, and possibly bent at worst, is irrelevant because he didn t solve his full-back crisis. OK, so an organisation can act the **** and a referee can practically decide 2 close teams on his own but players and a manager that have given 100% are ridiculed.
Reminds me of '96. Because Mayo players kicked wides it was presented as the reason we deserved to lose.
McEneaney and Fitzmaurice photographed together in Croke Park at other semi must be one of the most unfortunate images from a Mayo point of view. I m sure it was all innocent and incidental but at the same time it is not good enough. There is enough suspicion and conspiracy out there in GAA at the best of times.
As well as giving Mayo people a bit of a gee-up these last few years, I suspect that this Mayo team have given neutrals a few decent games to watch too. Not sure that it is the best interest of the GAA to treat a county team and those that identify with them in such a cavalier and disrespectful way.
Ffs, there was more media tut tuting about some big harmless lad invading the pitch than the referring issue.
The whole thing reinforces the notion that there is pecking order out there that must be observed. Donegal upset the expected order (thank God). The small narrow minded press were preening themselves for the Dub/Kerry wankfest.
At home Horan was being lambasted left,right and center by begrudging club delegates. A weak board trying to appease their base had to be seen to try and challenge Horan s very reasonable demands.
We ll not progress until the county team is treated as elite and separate from the club scene until the county team's involvement in the championship is over. Harsh maybe but if the next manager agrees to allow county squad players play with their clubs while Mayo are in the championship then we ve either got a patsy or a cute hoor who has no intention of honoring his pledge.
Horan tried to take that step. The next guy must.
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
All things considered I think Horan has been pretty reserved.
Ok, there was stuff about the team and tactics that I wouldn t have agreed with but so what? He got so much right.
'neutrals' on here saying an unprecedented venue for an AI semi and a refereeing performance that was desperate at best, and possibly bent at worst, is irrelevant because he didn t solve his full-back crisis. OK, so an organisation can act the **** and a referee can practically decide 2 close teams on his own but players and a manager that have given 100% are ridiculed.
Reminds me of '96. Because Mayo players kicked wides it was presented as the reason we deserved to lose.
McEneaney and Fitzmaurice photographed together in Croke Park at other semi must be one of the most unfortunate images from a Mayo point of view. I m sure it was all innocent and incidental but at the same time it is not good enough. There is enough suspicion and conspiracy out there in GAA at the best of times.
As well as giving Mayo people a bit of a gee-up these last few years, I suspect that this Mayo team have given neutrals a few decent games to watch too. Not sure that it is the best interest of the GAA to treat a county team and those that identify with them in such a cavalier and disrespectful way.
Ffs, there was more media tut tuting about some big harmless lad invading the pitch than the referring issue.
The whole thing reinforces the notion that there is pecking order out there that must be observed. Donegal upset the expected order (thank God). The small narrow minded press were preening themselves for the Dub/Kerry wankfest.
At home Horan was being lambasted left,right and center by begrudging club delegates. A weak board trying to appease their base had to be seen to try and challenge Horan s very reasonable demands.
We ll not progress until the county team is treated as elite and separate from the club scene until the county team's involvement in the championship is over. Harsh maybe but if the next manager agrees to allow county squad players play with their clubs while Mayo are in the championship then we ve either got a patsy or a cute hoor who has no intention of honoring his pledge.
Horan tried to take that step. The next guy must.
You sling the bullets when you win- not when you lose.
I respect the huge time and effort he put into it but I've never seen a manager complain as much. From a neutral's perspective it looks rather silly.
Quote from: INDIANA on September 16, 2014, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 16, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
All things considered I think Horan has been pretty reserved.
Ok, there was stuff about the team and tactics that I wouldn t have agreed with but so what? He got so much right.
'neutrals' on here saying an unprecedented venue for an AI semi and a refereeing performance that was desperate at best, and possibly bent at worst, is irrelevant because he didn t solve his full-back crisis. OK, so an organisation can act the **** and a referee can practically decide 2 close teams on his own but players and a manager that have given 100% are ridiculed.
Reminds me of '96. Because Mayo players kicked wides it was presented as the reason we deserved to lose.
McEneaney and Fitzmaurice photographed together in Croke Park at other semi must be one of the most unfortunate images from a Mayo point of view. I m sure it was all innocent and incidental but at the same time it is not good enough. There is enough suspicion and conspiracy out there in GAA at the best of times.
As well as giving Mayo people a bit of a gee-up these last few years, I suspect that this Mayo team have given neutrals a few decent games to watch too. Not sure that it is the best interest of the GAA to treat a county team and those that identify with them in such a cavalier and disrespectful way.
Ffs, there was more media tut tuting about some big harmless lad invading the pitch than the referring issue.
The whole thing reinforces the notion that there is pecking order out there that must be observed. Donegal upset the expected order (thank God). The small narrow minded press were preening themselves for the Dub/Kerry wankfest.
At home Horan was being lambasted left,right and center by begrudging club delegates. A weak board trying to appease their base had to be seen to try and challenge Horan s very reasonable demands.
We ll not progress until the county team is treated as elite and separate from the club scene until the county team's involvement in the championship is over. Harsh maybe but if the next manager agrees to allow county squad players play with their clubs while Mayo are in the championship then we ve either got a patsy or a cute hoor who has no intention of honoring his pledge.
Horan tried to take that step. The next guy must.
You sling the bullets when you win- not when you lose.
I respect the huge time and effort he put into it but I've never seen a manager complain as much. From a neutral's perspective it looks rather silly.
It s all about perspective Indiana.
For the most part I think he s bitten his lip. He s complained a bit ( when asked for a comment), but he s had a bit to complain about and has mostly been reticent. Even that last interview was a mixture of being plagued by a local journalist and a response to Shannon's piece in the Examiner, I think it was?
Look, its unlikely that Horan will ever trouble neutrals again with his cap on the telly. Can t see him do the tour.
Horan has done Mayo football a huge favour, if we can see the wood from the trees. He cut out a lot of bullshit and brought things to a level we never had. If the next fella does half the job Horan did (from where he had to drag us from), we could win it.
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
What are you basing any of that on? Or is that just the rantings of an ignorant gobshite?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Funny how Roscommon people come out to post in times when there's a hint of upheaval in Mayo.
Maybe they have nothing else to add a bit of excitement to their lives
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2014, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Funny how Roscommon people come out to post in times when there's a hint of upheaval in Mayo.
Maybe they have nothing else to add a bit of excitement to their lives
As the dark nights approach, the endess básin from the Mayo básahauns can always be guaranteed to provide a bit of amusement to help get us through the wet auld winter. Till the FBD anyway.
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Way over the top there, James Horan has been very measured in what he has said over a four year period. He has elevated Mayo football to a level that has for the last 60 years been unreachable. He has also left Mayo in good standing, and whoever takes over will inherit a good team. He has made some mistakes, we all do. Do not compare him to Tommy Carr.
Quote from: weareros on September 17, 2014, 02:06:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on September 17, 2014, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Funny how Roscommon people come out to post in times when there's a hint of upheaval in Mayo.
Maybe they have nothing else to add a bit of excitement to their lives
As the dark nights approach, the endess básin from the Mayo básahauns can always be guaranteed to provide a bit of amusement to help get us through the wet auld winter. Till the FBD anyway.
;D ;D
Upheaval in Mayowestros is always a good thing.
Seems there are only 2 in the running with Connelly the favourite.
As for comparing Horan to Tom (formerly Tommy) Carr....... Ah Jases that's goin too far.
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Way over the top there, James Horan has been very measured in what he has said over a four year period. He has elevated Mayo football to a level that has for the last 60 years been unreachable. He has also left Mayo in good standing, and whoever takes over will inherit a good team. He has made some mistakes, we all do. Do not compare him to Tommy Carr.
where he evelate Mayo football to? They were losing all Ireland's before he came on the scene.. And they still losing them. Where's the elevation there??? And yes don't compare him to Tommy Carr .. Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Way over the top there, James Horan has been very measured in what he has said over a four year period. He has elevated Mayo football to a level that has for the last 60 years been unreachable. He has also left Mayo in good standing, and whoever takes over will inherit a good team. He has made some mistakes, we all do. Do not compare him to Tommy Carr.
where he evelate Mayo football to? They were losing all Ireland's before he came on the scene.. And they still losing them. Where's the elevation there??? And yes don't compare him to Tommy Carr .. Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Back to Hogan stand for you Dirtyball.
BTW what all-Ireland did Tommy Carr win.
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Not in Gaelic games he didn't
Quote from: Tubberman on September 17, 2014, 01:48:20 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
What are you basing any of that on? Or is that just the rantings of an ignorant gobshite?
+1
Quote from: heffo on September 17, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Not in Gaelic games he didn't
did he not win one in 95 as a player? That must beat the few Horan lost as a player. And yes both were shite managers!
At least the credit unions in Mayo will get a bit of a break this year .. Allows them to reel in money borrowed for the last 2 unsuccessful years!
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
At least the credit unions in Mayo will get a bit of a break this year .. Allows them to reel in money borrowed for the last 2 unsuccessful years!
Keep digging the hole, you obviously have a lot of time on your hands since the inter cert finished.
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
At least the credit unions in Mayo will get a bit of a break this year .. Allows them to reel in money borrowed for the last 2 unsuccessful years!
Keep digging the hole, you obviously have a lot of time on your hands since the inter cert finished.
mayo team and management are quite capable of digging their own hole! They well use to it! Even croagh Patrick is down in a hollow!!!!
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
At least the credit unions in Mayo will get a bit of a break this year .. Allows them to reel in money borrowed for the last 2 unsuccessful years!
Keep digging the hole, you obviously have a lot of time on your hands since the inter cert finished.
mayo team and management are quite capable of digging their own hole! They well use to it! Even croagh Patrick is down in a hollow!!!!
More intelligent debate, i think hoganstand is looking for its idiot back
(and yes I know you'll have some "witty" retort zzzzzz)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 17, 2014, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:44:05 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 03:20:31 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
At least the credit unions in Mayo will get a bit of a break this year .. Allows them to reel in money borrowed for the last 2 unsuccessful years!
Keep digging the hole, you obviously have a lot of time on your hands since the inter cert finished.
mayo team and management are quite capable of digging their own hole! They well use to it! Even croagh Patrick is down in a hollow!!!!
More intelligent debate, i think hoganstand is looking for its idiot back
(and yes I know you'll have some "witty" retort zzzzzz)
Mayo4Sam.... In your dreams!
Good one
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
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Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
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Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Not in Gaelic games he didn't
did he not win one in 95 as a player? That must beat the few Horan lost as a player. And yes both were shite managers!
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF428/316246.jpg)
Which one is TommyCarr?
Take your time now.
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 17, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Not in Gaelic games he didn't
did he not win one in 95 as a player? That must beat the few Horan lost as a player. And yes both were shite managers!
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF428/316246.jpg)
Which one is TommyCarr?
Take your time now.
sure the brother Declan won 2 and probably gave 1 to Tommy for his birthday!!!!! Horan hasn't even seen one!! Maybe he should ask tommy for a look at the one he gat!!
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 17, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Not in Gaelic games he didn't
did he not win one in 95 as a player? That must beat the few Horan lost as a player. And yes both were shite managers!
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF428/316246.jpg)
Which one is TommyCarr?
Take your time now.
sure the brother Declan won 2 and probably gave 1 to Tommy for his birthday!!!!! Horan hasn't even seen one!! Maybe he should ask tommy for a look at the one he gat!!
We'll try this again. Tommy didn't get one.
Do you have any other specialist subjects?
Muppet,leave the harmless idiot...it's traumatic going from national to 'Big'school ;)
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2014, 05:54:16 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 17, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 03:06:26 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 17, 2014, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 02:44:06 PM
Quote from: joemamas on September 17, 2014, 02:13:23 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 17, 2014, 01:27:11 PM
He will probably become a pundit on RTE talking shite about what he would do yet he couldn't do it himself when he was there. Another f**king Tommy Carr in the making. Stating the obvious !
Because Carr WON an all ireland!
Not in Gaelic games he didn't
did he not win one in 95 as a player? That must beat the few Horan lost as a player. And yes both were shite managers!
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/w540/Library/SF428/316246.jpg)
Which one is TommyCarr?
Take your time now.
sure the brother Declan won 2 and probably gave 1 to Tommy for his birthday!!!!! Horan hasn't even seen one!! Maybe he should ask tommy for a look at the one he gat!!
We'll try this again. Tommy didn't get one.
Do you have any other specialist subjects?
the bottom line both Horan and Carr were shite managers!
Add Pillar Caffrey to that list too
James Horan.
4 years:
4 Provincial titles
4 All-Ireland semi-finals
2 All-Ireland finals
If he was shi-ite then what were 95% of inter-county managers?
Dirtyball must have a rake of experience of winning AIs with county teams. ::)
That time of year again, my view is Horan is entitled to say what he wants when he wants and so is everyone else, it's all personal perspective at the end of the day, if any man was in his shoes they'd probably feel the same tbf, simple as that
I'm glad he's gone purely for the good of Sligo football, actually if Horan wants to work with a professional county board he should come to us :P
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 17, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
That time of year again, my view is Horan is entitled to say what he wants when he wants and so is everyone else, it's all personal perspective at the end of the day, if any man was in his shoes they'd probably feel the same tbf, simple as that
I'm glad he's gone purely for the good of Sligo football, actually if Horan wants to work with a professional county board he should come to us :P
Fair play Sligonian, that's telling it as it is. Mind you, I hope JH isn't reading this as he just might get ideas! ;D
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 17, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
That time of year again, my view is Horan is entitled to say what he wants when he wants and so is everyone else, it's all personal perspective at the end of the day, if any man was in his shoes they'd probably feel the same tbf, simple as that
I'm glad he's gone purely for the good of Sligo football, actually if Horan wants to work with a professional county board he should come to us :P
How does Horan going do Sligo any good?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 17, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 17, 2014, 07:39:29 PM
That time of year again, my view is Horan is entitled to say what he wants when he wants and so is everyone else, it's all personal perspective at the end of the day, if any man was in his shoes they'd probably feel the same tbf, simple as that
I'm glad he's gone purely for the good of Sligo football, actually if Horan wants to work with a professional county board he should come to us :P
Fair play Sligonian, that's telling it as it is. Mind you, I hope JH isn't reading this as he just might get ideas! ;D
I hope he is then Lar ;) hope ur keepin well btw
Ah moysider because I'm not sure his replacement is going to get as much out of the current mayo squad as he did, Horan bled them for everything they got, I could be wrong about his replacement, and of course the point is a weaker mayo will give us a better chance in Connacht
The ref, the venue, the county board. I've huge admiration for the Mayo team and Horan but they need to look in the mirror. They were five points up with a few minutes to go in Croke Park. They were home and hosed. They blew it.
Quote from: Ohtoohtobe on September 18, 2014, 02:04:41 AM
The ref, the venue, the county board. I've huge admiration for the Mayo team and Horan but they need to look in the mirror. They were five points up with a few minutes to go in Croke Park. They were home and hosed. They blew it.
Sssssshhhhhhhh it was a Meath conspiracy... Did you not get the memo??
Still can't shake the memories of bad defeats to ordinary enough Laois and Down teams in 2007 and 2009 when assessing what Connelly might bring to the senior setup. The plus side is that he has managed almost all these lads at underage and is closest to the talent coming through from his work with the development squads.
Quote from: Chimley on September 18, 2014, 06:58:20 AM
Still can't shake the memories of bad defeats to ordinary enough Laois and Down teams in 2007 and 2009 when assessing what Connelly might bring to the senior setup. The plus side is that he has managed almost all these lads at underage and is closest to the talent coming through from his work with the development squads.
Think you re grasping at straws a bit there Chimley. Don t see much advantage there myself. What s coming through is not that difficult to make out. As regards the development squads - the U21s the last few years have been awful - that's hardly a huge + on a cv.
I see someone on mayogaablog has said that Tony McEntee has entered the race.... Not sure if there's any substance behind that and if a club has nominated him
I would prefer a mayo man
I wouldn t care where he s from as long as he can add to what Horan has done.
Not confident the Mayo names mentioned can.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
I would prefer a mayo man
agree! It's better to be able to blame 1 of your own rather than an outsider when things go tits up like they do every year!do you know YE have the record for losing 3 in 2 years and only kerry beat YE there would be another record for YE .. Losing 3 finals in a row!
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
I would prefer a mayo man
agree! It's better to be able to blame 1 of your own rather than an outsider when things go tits up like they do every year!do you know YE have the record for losing 3 in 2 years and only kerry beat YE there would be another record for YE .. Losing 3 finals in a row!
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Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
I would prefer a mayo man
agree! It's better to be able to blame 1 of your own rather than an outsider when things go tits up like they do every year!do you know YE have the record for losing 3 in 2 years and only kerry beat YE there would be another record for YE .. Losing 3 finals in a row!
Wrong actually little man. Galway currently have that record. They lost 1940, 1941 and 1942...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 18, 2014, 04:12:52 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2014, 03:06:42 PM
I would prefer a mayo man
agree! It's better to be able to blame 1 of your own rather than an outsider when things go tits up like they do every year!do you know YE have the record for losing 3 in 2 years and only kerry beat YE there would be another record for YE .. Losing 3 finals in a row!
Wrong actually little man. Galway currently have that record. They lost 1940, 1941 and 1942...
Why bother?
The record of men from outside their own county in either code is terrible. I dont think Jimmy McG could bring what he brings to Donegal to another county. I dont know if its DNA or passion or just an understanding of how a county plays and operates but homegrown has proven the way to go.
Except in Offaly.
Eugene McGee won the All Ireland in 1982. Tommy Lyons won Leinster in 1997.
Damien Healy was the hurling messiah in the 1980s, Eamonn Cregan won in 1994 and Michael Bond won it in 1998.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Except in Offaly.
Eugene McGee won the All Ireland in 1982. Tommy Lyons won Leinster in 1997.
Damien Healy was the hurling messiah in the 1980s, Eamonn Cregan won in 1994 and Michael Bond won it in 1998.
didn't OMahoney win an All ireland with Galway yet he couldn't with Mayo. It's difficult to make a silk purse out of a sows ear they say! The biggest problem with Mayo footballers is they have no bottle when the chips are down. Take O Connor for example. He will kick you six if your 6 ahead but he rarely kicks you that vital 1 when your 2 down!
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Except in Offaly.
Eugene McGee won the All Ireland in 1982. Tommy Lyons won Leinster in 1997.
Damien Healy was the hurling messiah in the 1980s, Eamonn Cregan won in 1994 and Michael Bond won it in 1998.
didn't OMahoney win an All ireland with Galway yet he couldn't with Mayo. It's difficult to make a silk purse out of a sows ear they say! The biggest problem with Mayo footballers is they have no bottle when the chips are down. Take O Connor for example. He will kick you six if your 6 ahead but he rarely kicks you that vital 1 when your 2 down!
Have a read of this. you'll find it very useful:
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You're-and-Your
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on September 18, 2014, 04:46:56 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Except in Offaly.
Eugene McGee won the All Ireland in 1982. Tommy Lyons won Leinster in 1997.
Damien Healy was the hurling messiah in the 1980s, Eamonn Cregan won in 1994 and Michael Bond won it in 1998.
didn't OMahoney win an All ireland with Galway yet he couldn't with Mayo. It's difficult to make a silk purse out of a sows ear they say! The biggest problem with Mayo footballers is they have no bottle when the chips are down. Take O Connor for example. He will kick you six if your 6 ahead but he rarely kicks you that vital 1 when your 2 down!
Have a read of this. you'll find it very useful:
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You're-and-Your
I'd say James Horan is 1 of the best if not the best Gaa Managers ever to come out of New Zealand! He nearly went down in history as the first outsider ever to manage an all ireland winning team from Mayo! ... Nearly!!
How do you ignore someone again?
Thats a serious question, this ballbag is annoying the f**k out of me
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 18, 2014, 05:34:04 PM
How do you ignore someone again?
Thats a serious question, this ballbag is annoying the f**k out of me
Not sure but there's a 'Report to moderator' link, which I've just made use of.
NEWSFLASH!! James Horan has finally accepted a coaching roll in his native New Zealand. James will be first team "kicking Coach " responsible for finding touch! New Zealand RC were said to be impressed with Mayo players ability to kick the ball over the sideline! We wish James all the best on his return home!!!!
Ignoring yer man and getting on with more pressing issues.
Whats the story with nominations with the deadline being today, will they be released to the public at all?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 18, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
Ignoring yer man and getting on with more pressing issues.
Whats the story with nominations with the deadline being today, will they be released to the public at all?
I suppose Larry we will have to wait for the people in the know to leak it to us as I would say the county board are extra sensitive about talking to the press at the moment. One source I talked to today was telling me the Connelly has the job if he wants it but to be honest he was basing most of his thesis on the fact Connelly's brother is on the CB. I haven't heard anything outside of the usual name i.e. McStay , Noel and Tony McGarry but maybe Tony McEntee might be nominated which would be interesting as he would be my choice at the moment.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 18, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
Ignoring yer man and getting on with more pressing issues.
Whats the story with nominations with the deadline being today, will they be released to the public at all?
RTE have given permission to Mayo CB to speak to Kevin McStay but have issued a hands off warning that Tommy Carr is not to be poached. Tommy is seen as a vital cog in RTEs stating the obvious!! McStay on the other hand is seen as a real leader in my circles! Especially by ppl going around in circles. His track record as a manager is unrivalled in Mayo. He has never lost an All Ireland final as a Manager .I know he has been waiting for the "big" job so whether he sees the Mayo job as big enough for him remains to be seen.!!!
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Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 18, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
Ignoring yer man and getting on with more pressing issues.
Whats the story with nominations with the deadline being today, will they be released to the public at all?
RTE have given permission to Mayo CB to speak to Kevin McStay but have issued a hands off warning that Tommy Carr is not to be poached. Tommy is seen as a vital cog in RTEs stating the obvious!! McStay on the other hand is seen as a real leader in my circles! Especially by ppl going around in circles. His track record as a manager is unrivalled in Mayo. He has never lost an All Ireland final as a Manager .I know he has been waiting for the "big" job so whether he sees the Mayo job as big enough for him remains to be seen.!!!
It's not unrivaled, there are at least 3 other Managers who have never lost a AI final!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 18, 2014, 09:09:40 PM
Quote from: Dirtyball on September 18, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 18, 2014, 07:02:02 PM
Ignoring yer man and getting on with more pressing issues.
Whats the story with nominations with the deadline being today, will they be released to the public at all?
RTE have given permission to Mayo CB to speak to Kevin McStay but have issued a hands off warning that Tommy Carr is not to be poached. Tommy is seen as a vital cog in RTEs stating the obvious!! McStay on the other hand is seen as a real leader in my circles! Especially by ppl going around in circles. His track record as a manager is unrivalled in Mayo. He has never lost an All Ireland final as a Manager .I know he has been waiting for the "big" job so whether he sees the Mayo job as big enough for him remains to be seen.!!!
It's not unrivaled, there are at least 3 other Managers who have never lost a AI final!
. But there is more than 3 who have lost an Al final!! My preference would be for McStay for 2 reasons. Firstly if he was Mayo manager we wouldn't have to listen to his shite as a co commentator . Secondly he could have Martin Carney as a selector and that would spare the viewing public his shite talk also. And if Tommy Carr ever decided to join them as a selector well Mayo would have their dream team and us the viewers would have peace because those 3 amigos spout some shite on TV
Dirtyball, you talk some shite but you have learnt me a valuable lesson, trolling is a nonsense and you have influenced my decision to never attempt trolling again.
Dirtyball has been banned, I don't intend on going through his posts to delete them so just ignore them.
Any word on who's been nominated??
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 18, 2014, 10:16:37 PM
Any word on who's been nominated??
There's still another 10 minutes before the deadline closes.
McStay is no longer in the army lads so aside from McHale whats the obstacle?
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
McStay is no longer in the army lads so aside from McHale whats the obstacle?
Looks like the clubs could be 'encouraging' the board to go cheap and cheerful. No serious manager could be asked to accept the job with dumbing down involved, if there is going to be dumbing down involved?
We need to press on but not getting that vibe at all.
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2014, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
McStay is no longer in the army lads so aside from McHale whats the obstacle?
Looks like the clubs could be 'encouraging' the board to go cheap and cheerful. No serious manager could be asked to accept the job with dumbing down involved, if there is going to be dumbing down involved?
We need to press on but not getting that vibe at all.
Easy to see Horan's frustration with the county board. He looks north and see's Jim McGuinness getting his way in relation to resources, club fixtures etc while here it always seemed to be an effort to get anything done. Dealing with a county board with a massive financial hole on the books with the McHale park redevelopment, you could also question how much money was coming from the main sponsor considering they were in a high profile receivership earlier this year and the clubs self interests must have been problematic at best. Next guy is going to have it even harder on all these fronts. Makes you wonder is there really the desire among the board members and club delegates to do what's really needed and provide the support to get us over the line.
Quote from: bucko on September 19, 2014, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2014, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
McStay is no longer in the army lads so aside from McHale whats the obstacle?
Looks like the clubs could be 'encouraging' the board to go cheap and cheerful. No serious manager could be asked to accept the job with dumbing down involved, if there is going to be dumbing down involved?
We need to press on but not getting that vibe at all.
Easy to see Horan's frustration with the county board. He looks north and see's Jim McGuinness getting his way in relation to resources, club fixtures etc while here it always seemed to be an effort to get anything done. Dealing with a county board with a massive financial hole on the books with the McHale park redevelopment, you could also question how much money was coming from the main sponsor considering they were in a high profile receivership earlier this year and the clubs self interests must have been problematic at best. Next guy is going to have it even harder on all these fronts. Makes you wonder is there really the desire among the board members and club delegates to do what's really needed and provide the support to get us over the line.
Tbf, there's more to football in Mayo than just the county team, focusing on the elite to the detriment of the club game will get us nowhere fast. The clubs are being talked about on here as if they're the problem - without the clubs, there is no mayo football!!
Whatever happens, it needs to be agreed upfront, the clubs and county management should know exactly what will happen with championship games and availability of players during the year depending on how far the county teams go.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 19, 2014, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: bucko on September 19, 2014, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 18, 2014, 11:44:34 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 18, 2014, 11:19:29 PM
McStay is no longer in the army lads so aside from McHale whats the obstacle?
Looks like the clubs could be 'encouraging' the board to go cheap and cheerful. No serious manager could be asked to accept the job with dumbing down involved, if there is going to be dumbing down involved?
We need to press on but not getting that vibe at all.
Easy to see Horan's frustration with the county board. He looks north and see's Jim McGuinness getting his way in relation to resources, club fixtures etc while here it always seemed to be an effort to get anything done. Dealing with a county board with a massive financial hole on the books with the McHale park redevelopment, you could also question how much money was coming from the main sponsor considering they were in a high profile receivership earlier this year and the clubs self interests must have been problematic at best. Next guy is going to have it even harder on all these fronts. Makes you wonder is there really the desire among the board members and club delegates to do what's really needed and provide the support to get us over the line.
Tbf, there's more to football in Mayo than just the county team, focusing on the elite to the detriment of the club game will get us nowhere fast. The clubs are being talked about on here as if they're the problem - without the clubs, there is no mayo football!!
Whatever happens, it needs to be agreed upfront, the clubs and county management should know exactly what will happen with championship games and availability of players during the year depending on how far the county teams go.
Not arguing with the above, point I was trying to make is it appears that management, CB and clubs are always pushing against each other. It would be great if the relevant parties could come to an agreement that benefits everyone, I can't say if such a deal would be possible.
What is it, 30 players on the senior panel, why couldnt they just be freed from club games till county team is out? I dont believe its that big of a deal , mountain out of a mole hill , sure aren't we at semi final stage already, whats the problem exactly?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
What is it, 30 players on the senior panel, why couldnt they just be freed from club games till county team is out? I dont believe its that big of a deal , mountain out of a mole hill , sure aren't we at semi final stage already, whats the problem exactly?
You know we're out now, right? ;D ;D
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 12:24:09 AM
What is it, 30 players on the senior panel, why couldnt they just be freed from club games till county team is out? I dont believe its that big of a deal , mountain out of a mole hill , sure aren't we at semi final stage already, whats the problem exactly?
Clubs want to play championship matches and have their best players ie county lads in tow. Horan got the intermediate 1/4 finals suspended and also told a number of players not to play in the last round of the group stage (for lack of a better term) of the senior c'ship. Both these events were naturally not well recieved by the clubs and have obviously made that clear to the CB. CB want to keep clubs on side as clubs sell the county draw tickets which is a fair revenue stream for the CB. Ultimately it's all about the money....
What do they do in Kerry? There never seems to be an issue there but then i suppose they seem to have an attitude of county before club rather than the norm of club before county attitude in most counties.
Connelly/Holmes v McStay so....
http://mayogaa.com/news/338265/Update_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager
Connelly/holmes would probably be the County Boards choice, given the connections and all. Neither choice floats my boat at the moment but McStay just seems to have more potential in my head. It might just be that I am being seduced by the whole TV glitz and glamor thing
Yeah, Holmes / Connelly would probably be the CBs choice. Personally I would prefer McStay especially if he could get a top class backroom team involved - that's not going to be cheap though/
Whoever it is, access to players between club & county should be clearly spelled out so everyone knows where they stand
Any word on what clubs nominated the two candidates?
There'll be a lot of eyes watching to see how Holly/Carra get on this weekend....
We are at a crossroads and it is important the County Board make a choice based on Tactical Acumen and Leadership Ability rather than Financial Constraints and Relationship to the Board. Both potential candidates have positives and negatives. I cannot get away from the hand of history, How many Joint Mangers have won All Irelands? How many Managers have failed to win an All Ireland in their first spell and came back to win one in their second spell ? We have tried this policy in the past with John Maughan and John O' Mahony and it would be fair to say it has failed.
Can we learn the lessons from our own history.
Quote from: REDCOL on September 19, 2014, 11:51:25 AM
We are at a crossroads and it is important the County Board make a choice based on Tactical Acumen and Leadership Ability rather than Financial Constraints and Relationship to the Board. Both potential candidates have positives and negatives. I cannot get away from the hand of history, How many Joint Mangers have won All Irelands? How many Managers have failed to win an All Ireland in their first spell and came back to win one in their second spell ? We have tried this policy in the past with John Maughan and John O' Mahony and it would be fair to say it has failed.
Can we learn the lessons from our own history.
We are talking about the Mayo County Board so the answer is NO!
McHale is a sticking point with McStay/CB I'm told
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
McHale is a sticking point with McStay/CB I'm told
Not surprised if that is the case. It will be interesting if push comes to shove, will McStay cut the ties with McHale...
Christ i wasn't expecting just two options. Could there be dark days ahead, i dont know why, its just the feeling i got this morning when reading this.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 01:58:45 PM
Christ i wasn't expecting just two options.
That's one more option than we have. ;D
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
McHale is a sticking point with McStay/CB I'm told
As in, the CB do want McHale or don't want him??
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2014, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 01:58:45 PM
Christ i wasn't expecting just two options.
That's one more option than we have. ;D
It's sad someone can accumulate an impressive CV over years and years only for it to be worthless against name value, which is genuinely the only thing Walsh had over Warren. Johneen Evans is looking for new selectors, he could do a lot worse than Pete Warren..
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 19, 2014, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: heffo on September 19, 2014, 01:10:21 PM
McHale is a sticking point with McStay/CB I'm told
As in, the CB do want McHale or don't want him??
Don't want him
McHale has given a lot more to Mayo football than most, not least those deciding on a manager.
I am not sure what he brings to the table but if McStay thinks he is important, and the CB vetoes this, then McStay shouldn't take the job. If he can't bring in his own people, then he should walk away imho.
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2014, 06:20:09 PM
McHale has given a lot more to Mayo football than most, not least those deciding on a manager.
I am not sure what he brings to the table but if McStay thinks he is important, and the CB vetoes this, then McStay shouldn't take the job. If he can't bring in his own people, then he should walk away imho.
He has given a lot , fair point , its his media outbursts that id say are a handicap.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 19, 2014, 07:01:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 19, 2014, 06:20:09 PM
McHale has given a lot more to Mayo football than most, not least those deciding on a manager.
I am not sure what he brings to the table but if McStay thinks he is important, and the CB vetoes this, then McStay shouldn't take the job. If he can't bring in his own people, then he should walk away imho.
He has given a lot , fair point , its his media outbursts that id say are a handicap.
Yeah, McHale likes to court the media! Now in fairness, so does McStay (it's his Job!!) Look McHale and McStay are family and probably closer than your usual dynamic duo! Call me boring, but there are certain things Horan took away from Mayo football - almost glamorous stuff . Things that are great for the kids and the fair weather supporters but are a disaster in the making to the hardened football fan.
Whole thing starting to smack of manoeuvring. McStay started out as the strong favourite with a definite interest in the job. Holmes ruled himself out of the running citing work and time commitments. Connelly was only being mentioned by the media, a man with his own business which would put as much if not more demand on his time as with Holmes. If we'd got to last night with McStay as the only nominee the CB would have had no leverage over McStay in terms of his back room staff, resources, etc. So last weekend we had Connelly coming into the betting but no real indication of his interest. By midweek he's the favourite for the job, now with Holmes who appeared to have definitively ruled himself out now on the ticket. Now we have the nominees, the CB can dictate to McStay and have an alternative management option if McStay says no. Maybe I'm being too cynical....
Quote from: bucko on September 19, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
Whole thing starting to smack of manoeuvring. McStay started out as the strong favourite with a definite interest in the job. Holmes ruled himself out of the running citing work and time commitments. Connelly was only being mentioned by the media, a man with his own business which would put as much if not more demand on his time as with Holmes. If we'd got to last night with McStay as the only nominee the CB would have had no leverage over McStay in terms of his back room staff, resources, etc. So last weekend we had Connelly coming into the betting but no real indication of his interest. By midweek he's the favourite for the job, now with Holmes who appeared to have definitively ruled himself out now on the ticket. Now we have the nominees, the CB can dictate to McStay and have an alternative management option if McStay says no. Maybe I'm being too cynical....
I cannot understand how Holmes is on the ticket myself, after him definitely saying No in the first instance. Bunker, what did Horan take away from football?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 19, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
Whole thing starting to smack of manoeuvring. McStay started out as the strong favourite with a definite interest in the job. Holmes ruled himself out of the running citing work and time commitments. Connelly was only being mentioned by the media, a man with his own business which would put as much if not more demand on his time as with Holmes. If we'd got to last night with McStay as the only nominee the CB would have had no leverage over McStay in terms of his back room staff, resources, etc. So last weekend we had Connelly coming into the betting but no real indication of his interest. By midweek he's the favourite for the job, now with Holmes who appeared to have definitively ruled himself out now on the ticket. Now we have the nominees, the CB can dictate to McStay and have an alternative management option if McStay says no. Maybe I'm being too cynical....
I cannot understand how Holmes is on the ticket myself, after him definitely saying No in the first instance. Bunker, what did Horan take away from football?
Horan took away the way players portrayed themselves to the media. In fact the players had little to do with the media. As a Manager he did not court the media. Pre and post match interviews were answered with rehearsed boring catch phrases. He as such took away the fancy dan feel of previous mayo teams.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2014, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 19, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
Whole thing starting to smack of manoeuvring. McStay started out as the strong favourite with a definite interest in the job. Holmes ruled himself out of the running citing work and time commitments. Connelly was only being mentioned by the media, a man with his own business which would put as much if not more demand on his time as with Holmes. If we'd got to last night with McStay as the only nominee the CB would have had no leverage over McStay in terms of his back room staff, resources, etc. So last weekend we had Connelly coming into the betting but no real indication of his interest. By midweek he's the favourite for the job, now with Holmes who appeared to have definitively ruled himself out now on the ticket. Now we have the nominees, the CB can dictate to McStay and have an alternative management option if McStay says no. Maybe I'm being too cynical....
I cannot understand how Holmes is on the ticket myself, after him definitely saying No in the first instance. Bunker, what did Horan take away from football?
Horan took away the way players portrayed themselves to the media. In fact the players had little to do with the media. As a Manager he did not court the media. Pre and post match interviews were answered with rehearsed boring catch phrases. He as such took away the fancy dan feel of previous mayo teams.
Horan was going a bit rare this year, attacked the CB chairman directly in the media after the fundraiser debacle in NY, getting involved in Cork's silly games, hell, the interview this week showed clearly the strain he was under. He wasn't making the calls that would avoid attention or conflict, he gave plenty of copy this year. Partly it was that he simply no longer gave a f**k given he wasn't coming back but he was far from diplomatic.
People laughed when I said there was a clear change in how boisterous Horan was being this year, signs that the pressure of it all was getting to him. I think looking back he was being attacked from all angles (rightly and wrongly) and to get within a referee of a third AI final was an achievement in itself in that context.
Quote from: Syferus on September 19, 2014, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 19, 2014, 08:28:28 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 19, 2014, 08:14:22 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 19, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
Whole thing starting to smack of manoeuvring. McStay started out as the strong favourite with a definite interest in the job. Holmes ruled himself out of the running citing work and time commitments. Connelly was only being mentioned by the media, a man with his own business which would put as much if not more demand on his time as with Holmes. If we'd got to last night with McStay as the only nominee the CB would have had no leverage over McStay in terms of his back room staff, resources, etc. So last weekend we had Connelly coming into the betting but no real indication of his interest. By midweek he's the favourite for the job, now with Holmes who appeared to have definitively ruled himself out now on the ticket. Now we have the nominees, the CB can dictate to McStay and have an alternative management option if McStay says no. Maybe I'm being too cynical....
I cannot understand how Holmes is on the ticket myself, after him definitely saying No in the first instance. Bunker, what did Horan take away from football?
Horan took away the way players portrayed themselves to the media. In fact the players had little to do with the media. As a Manager he did not court the media. Pre and post match interviews were answered with rehearsed boring catch phrases. He as such took away the fancy dan feel of previous mayo teams.
Horan was going a bit rare this year, attacked the CB chairman directly in the media after the fundraiser debacle in NY, getting involved in Cork's silly games, hell, the interview this week showed clearly the strain he was under. He wasn't making the calls that would avoid attention or conflict, he gave plenty of copy this year. Partly it was that he simply no longer gave a f**k given he wasn't coming back but he was far from diplomatic.
People laughed when I said there was a clear change in how boisterous Horan was being this year, signs that the pressure of it all was getting to him. I think looking back he was being attacked from all angles (rightly and wrongly) and to get within a referee of a third AI final was an achievement in itself in that context.
Not sure Horan was under strain Sy. but he correctly wasn t taking shite from anybody and hats off to him. Goes to show that Mayo managers doing a good job like Horan did and Moran/Morrison did got more flak than a disaster like O Mahoney did from Board/Clubs.
O Mahoney in 4 years of disastrous retro management got it easy compared to Horan. M&M got a worse shoeing in less than a year than Johnno did in his protracted, ordained second coming.
As regards the choice now.
Why is it ok that Connelly and Holmes can go as a duo but Board have a problem with a Batman and Robin double act. How does that stack up?
There's a lot of choreography going on here. The chairmans quotes regarding rules for the next man in the Telegraph followed by a tiny bit of backtracking by the PRO seems to point to an orchastrated media campaign by the CB. Who knows where it will end up but I wouldn't try to second guess the outcome just yet.
I'm hoping the Mayo board are really acting the maggot with McStay and he's still available when we'll be in the market for a manager in a year or two. Sadly Holmes/Connelly is a much better combo than some here think. The weight of expectation and finances may scuttle anyone taking the job, though.
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2014, 12:52:23 AM
I'm hoping the Mayo board are really acting the maggot with McStay and he's still available when we'll be in the market for a manager in a year or two. Sadly Holmes/Connelly is a much better combo than some here think. The weight of expectation and finances may scuttle anyone taking the job, though.
McStay has no interest in managing ye. Not sure he is that interested in managing any county team. Connelly and Holmes will get the job and won't be a bad selection. Probably more open to criticism than Horan.
Connelly/Holmes have the job.
I'm happy.
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2014, 06:06:45 PM
Connelly/Holmes have the job.
I'm happy.
That's two of us!
Nothing official yet AFAIK, but the score.ie running an article that the job is Connelly's with Holmes as his no. 2 with Donie Buckley staying on as coach. Will reserve judgement on them, can't say they'd have been my first choice, but Buckley staying on is a positive in my book.
Quote from: bucko on September 20, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
Nothing official yet AFAIK, but the score.ie running an article that the job is Connelly's with Holmes as his no. 2 with Donie Buckley staying on as coach. Will reserve judgement on them, can't say they'd have been my first choice, but Buckley staying on is a positive in my book.
I thought Buckley had been confirmed as returning to kerry?
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 20, 2014, 06:51:21 PM
Quote from: bucko on September 20, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
Nothing official yet AFAIK, but the score.ie running an article that the job is Connelly's with Holmes as his no. 2 with Donie Buckley staying on as coach. Will reserve judgement on them, can't say they'd have been my first choice, but Buckley staying on is a positive in my book.
I thought Buckley had been confirmed as returning to kerry?
Only the U21 selector job. Could easily double-job. Especially with the Mayo moneyhat..
Apparently CB wouldn't have Lord Liam as no 2 and McStay pulled out. Fair play to McStay for not turning.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2014, 08:08:21 PM
Apparently CB wouldn't have Lord Liam as no 2 and McStay pulled out. Fair play to McStay for not turning.
Yea, if that is all true, McStay had to stick to his guns.
So now it's official. Best of luck to Noel, Pat, Donie and whoever else makes up the mgmt team.
Feel bad for McStay but tbh I'd view McHale as a liability so can see why CB were hesitant about that (if that particular rumour is correct).
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
tbh I'd view McHale as a liability so can see why CB were hesitant about that (if that particular rumour is correct).
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Why?
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
tbh I'd view McHale as a liability so can see why CB were hesitant about that (if that particular rumour is correct).
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Why?
Talking about McStay and McHale, someone said to me yesterday "If only they weren't both from Ballina, McStay would have some hope." Hard to believe that would be an issue in this day and age, but far from impossible to believe either.
Anyway. Done now. Best of luck to Connelly and Holmes. James Horan has left a very high standard to reach.
McHale's skill-set is an absolute perfect match to the high press tactics that defined the best moments of Horan's reign. McStay did the right thing, if the Mayo county board were trying to be that grabby with you no serious manager would take the job. Connelly didn't get told he had to be without Holmes..
Delighted
Nothing personal against Liam McHale, but he needs to keep his head down and mouth shut for a few years. Unfortunately Liam McHale epitomized the "loser mentality" that has held Mayo football back for decades
Believe this will work out well and good we have a mgt team in place quickly. Noel and Pat will do a good job and we will remain in the top 2 or 3 teams in the country for the next few years. Six in a row in Connacht is very much on.
Well as it's official we now have to get behind the two new managers for next year. It's a tough gig and they have been man enough to step up to the plate.
I wonder what changed regarding their reported doubts about having the time to do the job.
Quote from: whitey on September 20, 2014, 10:54:55 PM
Delighted
Nothing personal against Liam McHale, but he needs to keep his head down and mouth shut for a few years. Unfortunately Liam McHale epitomized the "loser mentality" that has held Mayo football back for decades
I seriously doubt that he will ever consider or be considered for a position within Mayo county football after this very public snub. So from that point of view, a vow of silence won't make much difference.
I am not so confident.
This is a desperately safe selection for the CB. We need something extra/special/different/inspired <delete as appropriate> to get over the line from where James and his team have got us to. Even treading water will be an achievement.
I just don't see where we get the last few inches that we need in this appointment.
Pat had a go before and even seemed to rule himself out. He has done well recently with the Mitchels but he had his shot. If Noel needed Pat on board to add gravitas to his application, then we are in bother. If Noel is the difference I mentioned above, then why not appoint him in his own right, as we did James Horan?
Quote from: muppet on September 20, 2014, 11:06:00 PM
I am not so confident.
This is a desperately safe selection for the CB. We need something extra/special/different/inspired <delete as appropriate> to get over the line from where James and his team have got us to. Even treading water will be an achievement.
I just don't see where we get the last few inches that we need in this appointment.
Pat had a go before and even seemed to rule himself out. He has done well recently with the Mitchels but he had his shot. If Noel needed Pat on board to add gravitas to his application, then we are in bother. If Noel is the difference I mentioned above, then why not appoint him in his own right, as we did James Horan?
It also doesn't help the optics when Noel Connelly's brother is vice-chairman of yer county board..
Where is this coming from that McStay pulled out because of Liam McHale not being wanted? The cb got two nominations , one was Kevin McStay the other was Connelly and Holmes as a team. The CB choose the latter option . McStay got told he didn't get the job they had chosen Connelly/Holmes. ''McStay was very disappointed but wished the new management all the best'' said the CB.
At what point did McStay pull out of the race?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 20, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Where is this coming from that McStay pulled out because of Liam McHale not being wanted? The cb got two nominations , one was Kevin McStay the other was Connelly and Holmes as a team. The CB choose the latter option . McStay got told he didn't get the job they had chosen Connelly/Holmes. ''McStay was very disappointed but wished the new management all the best'' said the CB.
At what point did McStay pull out of the race?
Jaysus you're an awful trusting man Larryin.
Not at all, i wouldn't trust any Mayo man who was hoorin himself out to clubrossie.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 20, 2014, 11:54:55 PM
Not at all, i wouldn't trust any Mayo man who was hoorin himself out to clubrossie.
;D
Loving and hating this reactionary revisionism in some quarters of Mayo support (or paying customers as the Tanned One would say) that "ah sure McStay is just a blow-in and McHale is a backwards bollix". Connelly and even Holmes are good football men. That doesn't wash away the feeling the Mayo CB wanted someone that wouldn't be as unruly or independent as Horan.
The whole McHale angle if true may have been partially a tester to see if the board could get McStay to do things on their terms rather than his own. They'd have known the end result full-well if McStay wasn't willing to cave.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 20, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
tbh I'd view McHale as a liability so can see why CB were hesitant about that (if that particular rumour is correct).
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Why?
Best of luck to Noel & Pat. If donie is staying on, that's a good sign that they're pretty serious about it.
Maigh Eo abu
Talking about McStay and McHale, someone said to me yesterday "If only they weren't both from Ballina, McStay would have some hope." Hard to believe that would be an issue in this day and age, but far from impossible to believe either.
Anyway. Done now. Best of luck to Connelly and Holmes. James Horan has left a very high standard to reach.
What will Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly bring to the table that McStay couldn't?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2014, 12:52:48 AM
What will Pat Holmes and Noel Connelly bring to the table that McStay couldn't?
They'll kneel when required.
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2014, 11:26:59 PM
It also doesn't help the optics when Noel Connelly's brother is vice-chairman of yer county board..
Bang on, it looks like cronyism of the highest order, just looks bad.
Hope Mayo Mick is right, however if Connelly isn't able to keep a relatively young and experienced team at the top table himself and his brother will have to held to account.
Quote from: stephenite on September 21, 2014, 01:23:35 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 20, 2014, 11:26:59 PM
It also doesn't help the optics when Noel Connelly's brother is vice-chairman of yer county board..
Bang on, it looks like cronyism of the highest order, just looks bad.
Hope Mayo Mick is right, however if Connelly isn't able to keep a relatively young and experienced team at the top table himself and his brother will have to held to account.
And the rest of them, is there a way to get the names of who are on the county board, seems like our own version of the illuminati ...
Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
tbh I'd view McHale as a liability so can see why CB were hesitant about that (if that particular rumour is correct).
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Why?
Because he likes talking to the media too much, and he's not smart about it. He gives ammo to the opposition and he also keeps bringing it back to himself and 96.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
I am from a 'big club'.
Our manager has been appointed.
I am not overwhelmed by the appointment. Please explain my 'bias'.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 21, 2014, 08:44:00 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 20, 2014, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 20, 2014, 09:45:27 PM
tbh I'd view McHale as a liability so can see why CB were hesitant about that (if that particular rumour is correct).
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager (http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager)
Why?
Because he likes talking to the media too much, and he's not smart about it. He gives ammo to the opposition and he also keeps bringing it back to himself and 96.
Surely that's the media and Mayo themselves that are at fault for continually losing the big one and continually asking him about it, not McHale? I think you're being very harsh on one of your most popular players of all-time.
I highly doubt he enjoys talking about 1996. I know it took Dermot Earley 20 years before he could even watch the 1980 final, I can't imagine how bad 1996 and an even nearer miss hurts for him. What was it, McHale had been on the losing side in ten AI finals before Brigids won the club AI last year. That's some hurt locker for one man. I don't think there's many men who could be more motivated to get Mayo over the line.
Ah, sure he can concentrate on getting Brigids some more titles now.
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2014, 09:15:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
I am from a 'big club'.
Our manager has been appointed.
I am not overwhelmed by the appointment. Please explain my 'bias'.
Are you not a Castlebar man mup??
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2014, 09:15:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
I am from a 'big club'.
Our manager has been appointed.
I am not overwhelmed by the appointment. Please explain my 'bias'.
Are you not a Castlebar man mup??
Yip. Pat was our manager up to earlier this year.
I'm from a 'big club', well I like to think of us as big enough anyway. I too share muppet's sentiment. This whole malarkey of getting behind people for the sake of getting behind them grates with me big time too by the way.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 20, 2014, 08:08:21 PM
Apparently CB wouldn't have Lord Liam as no 2 and McStay pulled out. Fair play to McStay for not turning.
As per my post from Friday!
Is there any way ye Mayowestros bucks can ban Syfín from slabbering all over ye on this Board?
He's a total embarrassment to us all. :-[ :-[
I think ye're in for a few leaner years now in Connacht and hopefully we can try and fill the gap somewhat.
However it may take us a few years yet to do so( till we dispense with some of our older/overrated lads) so I expect the Herrins to make hay for the next 2 years :-\
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2014, 11:18:31 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 21, 2014, 10:00:44 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 21, 2014, 09:15:10 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
I am from a 'big club'.
Our manager has been appointed.
I am not overwhelmed by the appointment. Please explain my 'bias'.
Are you not a Castlebar man mup??
Yip. Pat was our manager up to earlier this year.
Was the "big club" thing a typo so or what?? ;D ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
Is there any way ye Mayowestros bucks can ban Syfín from slabbering all over ye on this Board?
He's a total embarrassment to us all. :-[ :-[
I think ye're in for a few leaner years now in Connacht and hopefully we can try and fill the gap somewhat.
However it may take us a few years yet to do so( till we dispense with some of our older/overrated lads) so I expect the Herrins to make hay for the next 2 years :-\
Mother of god , how long more are ye going to be saying ''in another few years'' ? Mental stuff. Its the stuff of generations now at this stage , next years minors will not remember Ross ever beating Mayo at senior level.
Oh and Btw we have a mighty chance of retaining the nestor next year albeit a first year for new management and patience will be needed. It will probably take 2/3 years before we are winning in croker again.
I wonder who will be brought in for a chance now given the clubs that the new management come from. Crowe has been mentioned and I remember him as a promising minor. Kirby and Durcan from Castlebar too.
What club is Crowe from??
Surely a couple of last year's minors will be in the frame. Hall from Breaffy looked v good
Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
Is there any way ye Mayowestros bucks can ban Syfín from slabbering all over ye on this Board?
He's a total embarrassment to us all. :-[ :-[
I think ye're in for a few leaner years now in Connacht and hopefully we can try and fill the gap somewhat.
However it may take us a few years yet to do so( till we dispense with some of our older/overrated lads) so I expect the Herrins to make hay for the next 2 years :-\
Mother of god , how long more are ye going to be saying ''in another few years'' ? Mental stuff. Its the stuff of generations now at this stage , next years minors will not remember Ross ever beating Mayo at senior level.
Oh and Btw we have a mighty chance of retaining the nestor next year albeit a first year for new management and patience will be needed. It will probably take 2/3 years before we are winning in croker again.
Anyone older than 45 can remember Mayo not beating Roscommon during the 70s.
What's your point?
''Anyone older than 45 can remember Mayo not beating Roscommon during the 70s.
What's your point?''
Whatever, my two points were , im hearing from rossies for an eternity about this '' in a few years time '' shite. Sure its bound to happen sometime if ye keep saying it for 14 years plus i suppose.
My other point was a valid one unlike yours which is invalid. 1975 im told.
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Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
Is there any way ye Mayowestros bucks can ban Syfín from slabbering all over ye on this Board?
He's a total embarrassment to us all. :-[ :-[
I think ye're in for a few leaner years now in Connacht and hopefully we can try and fill the gap somewhat.
However it may take us a few years yet to do so( till we dispense with some of our older/overrated lads) so I expect the Herrins to make hay for the next 2 years :-\
Mother of god , how long more are ye going to be saying ''in another few years'' ? Mental stuff. Its the stuff of generations now at this stage , next years minors will not remember Ross ever beating Mayo at senior level.
Oh and Btw we have a mighty chance of retaining the nestor next year albeit a first year for new management and patience will be needed. It will probably take 2/3 years before we are winning in croker again.
Patience my hole Larry. We ve a team at its peak still. In 2/3 years Dillon, Andy and Higgins may no longer be about.
The only thing that has prevented us winning at least 1 AI last 3 years was a bit of extra savvy tactically against the top managers.
Today s game showed how close we were/are. But anybody that thinks we would have won today against Donegal needs to lie down for themselves. As good as Horan was he was not in the same league as McGuiness or Fitzmaurice when it comes to getting tactics right. Fitzmaurice today outfoxed McGuinness and that takes doing.
We need a manager that can match likes of these top other managers. Can Connelly do this? I dunno about him but I do know Pat Holmes can t. Why does Connelly need Holmes along anyway?
I d have no gripe with Connelly getting his shot but not the other guy again. This is the best Mayo team I ve ever seen. But this looks like a shotgun appointment. Shows lack of ambition by the clubs/board and this bunch of players may well go now the way of other golden generations we had.
And like Farr. said earlier, spare us the old guff of getting behind the new management.
Hopefully this will turn out to be an inspired appointment. Mayo teams/fans deserve as much expertise as Donegal, Dublin or Kerry.
Maybe we re getting it but I doubt it very much.
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
Is there any way ye Mayowestros bucks can ban Syfín from slabbering all over ye on this Board?
He's a total embarrassment to us all. :-[ :-[
I think ye're in for a few leaner years now in Connacht and hopefully we can try and fill the gap somewhat.
However it may take us a few years yet to do so( till we dispense with some of our older/overrated lads) so I expect the Herrins to make hay for the next 2 years :-\
Mother of god , how long more are ye going to be saying ''in another few years'' ? Mental stuff. Its the stuff of generations now at this stage , next years minors will not remember Ross ever beating Mayo at senior level.
Oh and Btw we have a mighty chance of retaining the nestor next year albeit a first year for new management and patience will be needed. It will probably take 2/3 years before we are winning in croker again.
Patience my hole Larry. We ve a team at its peak still. In 2/3 years Dillon, Andy and Higgins may no longer be about.
The only thing that has prevented us winning at least 1 AI last 3 years was a bit of extra savvy tactically against the top managers.
Today s game showed how close we were/are. But anybody that thinks we would have won today against Donegal needs to lie down for themselves. As good as Horan was he was not in the same league as McGuiness or Fitzmaurice when it comes to getting tactics right. Fitzmaurice today outfoxed McGuinness and that takes doing.
We need a manager that can match likes of these top other managers. Can Connelly do this? I dunno about him but I do know Pat Holmes can t. Why does Connelly need Holmes along anyway?
I d have no gripe with Connelly getting his shot but not the other guy again. This is the best Mayo team I ve ever seen. But this looks like a shotgun appointment. Shows lack of ambition by the clubs/board and this bunch of players may well go now the way of other golden generations we had.
And like Farr. said earlier, spare us the old guff of getting behind the new management.
Hopefully this will turn out to be an inspired appointment. Mayo teams/fans deserve as much expertise as Donegal, Dublin or Kerry.
Maybe we re getting it but I doubt it very much.
McStay was the moonshot to be honest. The better bet would have been to double down on the characteristics that made Horan so good rather than getting a friendlier face. But, politics.
Genuinely hope Kevin and Liam will be tempted by the 'hometown' gig when Evans steps down. I think McStay has a lot to offer as a manager and has matured over his tenures managing teams over the last 20 or so years. He has gotten better with time and I think he's at a point where he can perform at the highest level as a manager.
It's weird to think we'd be more accepting of two of Mayo's most lauded ex-players than Mayo after what happened with Maughan but I think they wouldn't be viewed as mercs in the way Maughan was and McStay obviously has deep roots here. Imagine if he started winning things with us as this great Mayo team was fading away.. the clock is on Connelly, if he doesn't do it instantly he probably won't do it at all.
''Spare us the guff about getting behind new management .'' Well ffs i took my cue off the masses whhen i had my doubts Horan could deliver after Dublin defeat and i done as i was told. Surely we can give the two men a year at least before we judge. I'm not Holmes s biggest fan either but sure all i can hope is he has learnt from his mistakes. He done great with Mitchells this year up to the all Ireland final, Brigids and corofin were well fancied before Castlebar to win Connacht. He lost Feeney early through a black card and Connolly had the mother of all games 70 mins of magic like Ciran Mac second half v Nemo.
What could he have done though>? Brought Cunnife out to chase him and then free mOssey quinn who Cunniffe was holding well.
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Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
Is there any way ye Mayowestros bucks can ban Syfín from slabbering all over ye on this Board?
He's a total embarrassment to us all. :-[ :-[
I think ye're in for a few leaner years now in Connacht and hopefully we can try and fill the gap somewhat.
However it may take us a few years yet to do so( till we dispense with some of our older/overrated lads) so I expect the Herrins to make hay for the next 2 years :-\
Mother of god , how long more are ye going to be saying ''in another few years'' ? Mental stuff. Its the stuff of generations now at this stage , next years minors will not remember Ross ever beating Mayo at senior level.
Oh and Btw we have a mighty chance of retaining the nestor next year albeit a first year for new management and patience will be needed. It will probably take 2/3 years before we are winning in croker again.
Patience my hole Larry. We ve a team at its peak still. In 2/3 years Dillon, Andy and Higgins may no longer be about.
The only thing that has prevented us winning at least 1 AI last 3 years was a bit of extra savvy tactically against the top managers.
Today s game showed how close we were/are. But anybody that thinks we would have won today against Donegal needs to lie down for themselves. As good as Horan was he was not in the same league as McGuiness or Fitzmaurice when it comes to getting tactics right. Fitzmaurice today outfoxed McGuinness and that takes doing.
We need a manager that can match likes of these top other managers. Can Connelly do this? I dunno about him but I do know Pat Holmes can t. Why does Connelly need Holmes along anyway?
I d have no gripe with Connelly getting his shot but not the other guy again. This is the best Mayo team I ve ever seen. But this looks like a shotgun appointment. Shows lack of ambition by the clubs/board and this bunch of players may well go now the way of other golden generations we had.
And like Farr. said earlier, spare us the old guff of getting behind the new management.
Hopefully this will turn out to be an inspired appointment. Mayo teams/fans deserve as much expertise as Donegal, Dublin or Kerry.
Maybe we re getting it but I doubt it very much.
McStay was the moonshot to be honest. The better bet would have been to double down on the characteristics that made Horan so good rather than getting a friendlier face. But, politics.
Genuinely hope Kevin and Liam will be tempted by the 'hometown' gig when Evans steps down. I think McStay has a lot to offer as a manager and has matured over his tenures managing teams over the last 20 or so years. He has gotten better with time and I think he's at a point where he can perform at the highest level as a manager.
It's weird to think we'd be more accepting of two of Mayo's most lauded ex-players than Mayo after what happened with Maughan but I think they wouldn't be viewed as mercs in the way Maughan was and McStay obviously has deep roots here. Imagine if he started winning things with us as this great Mayo team was fading away.. the clock is on Connelly, if he doesn't do it instantly he probably won't do it at all.
I don't think McStay is ill-regarded by mayo supporters, it would probably be fairly evenly split between those favouring him against connelly.
A lot of non-mayo people might not like McStay but at least he was willing to put his money where his mouth is unlike most of the rest of the RTÉ pundits
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Lets take this in baby steps - apologies in advance but I m pretty pissed off after attending that AI today.
Mayo have been good enough to win an AI these last few years. Dublin were considered a better panel but look at what happened them when they thought off-the-cuff would do. Arguably the best 2 teams in the country were at home watching the AI on tv this year. Why? Because the other 2 teams had better tactical managers.
Tactically Mayo have never been good. Because we are a strong footballing county we can usually do well casually enough. But when a tactical approach is involved we ve always been shite. Kerry - the most traditional of them all - adapted a defensive game and prevailed. Will the old traditionalists in Kerry complain? Will they f**k. What a satisfying win for Kerry - yeah it took a bit of effort and a 16 yr old won MOM - but we re f**king about all the time.
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Lets take this in baby steps - apologies in advance but I m pretty pissed off after attending that AI today.
Mayo have been good enough to win an AI these last few years. Dublin were considered a better panel but look at what happened them when they thought off-the-cuff would do. Arguably the best 2 teams in the country were at home watching the AI on tv this year. Why? Because the other 2 teams had better tactical managers.
Tactically Mayo have never been good. Because we are a strong footballing county we can usually do well casually enough. But when a tactical approach is involved we ve always been shite. Kerry - the most traditional of them all - adapted a defensive game and prevailed. Will the old traditionalists in Kerry complain? Will they f**k. What a satisfying win for Kerry - yeah it took a bit of effort and a 16 yr old won MOM - but we re f**king about all the time.
I agree that he got the match ups right today but how much of tactics is luck though?? Sending on Donaghy in the SF was desperation stuff from Fitzmaurice but it won the all Ireland for kerry in the end. I remarked at the time that Kerry were f*cked sending this guy on, how wrong I was.....
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Lets take this in baby steps - apologies in advance but I m pretty pissed off after attending that AI today.
Mayo have been good enough to win an AI these last few years. Dublin were considered a better panel but look at what happened them when they thought off-the-cuff would do. Arguably the best 2 teams in the country were at home watching the AI on tv this year. Why? Because the other 2 teams had better tactical managers.
Tactically Mayo have never been good. Because we are a strong footballing county we can usually do well casually enough. But when a tactical approach is involved we ve always been shite. Kerry - the most traditional of them all - adapted a defensive game and prevailed. Will the old traditionalists in Kerry complain? Will they f**k. What a satisfying win for Kerry - yeah it took a bit of effort and a 16 yr old won MOM - but we re f**king about all the time.
I agree that he got the match ups right today but how much of tactics is luck though?? Sending on Donaghy in the SF was desperation stuff from Fitzmaurice but it won the all Ireland for kerry in the end. I remarked at the time that Kerry were f*cked sending this guy on, how wrong I was.....
Donaghy won Kerry this AI and he mostly did it in the last few minutes of the first semi-final. He is now probably above Eoin Liston as the best Kerry 14 of all time. Looking at the second goal again on tv he actually read and nailed it. Maybe the substitution v Mayo in the first semi was desperation? But it was treated so casually by ourselves that we invited what happened coming. This is Donaghy after all. How do you treat him so casually? He s a nightmare.
Neil Gallagher was out on his legs the last quarter today and mostly because he was getting back to try and help out on Donaghy when Kerry were building. If we got one of our big men to do that last few minutes of drawn game things could be different.
To say that Donahy is a better F.F than Liston is going a bit far .Kerry are deserving All Ireland winners but they had the luck with there 2 goals and that had nothing to do with tactics.Kerry had the better players on the day and that is what usually wins you games and any talk of Mayo or Dublin being the 2 best teams in ireland this year is rubbish as they were not good enough to get there.
Quote from: maigheo on September 22, 2014, 03:21:29 AM
To say that Donahy is a better F.F than Liston is going a bit far .Kerry are deserving All Ireland winners but they had the luck with there 2 goals and that had nothing to do with tactics.Kerry had the better players on the day and that is what usually wins you games and any talk of Mayo or Dublin being the 2 best teams in ireland this year is rubbish as they were not good enough to get there.
Kerry get special treatment and its mostly down to an attitude they have. They get away with a lot more than any other county in Ireland. The whole thing is just ridiculous with Kerry, as a community the GAA treat Kerry like we have treated the countrys rouges and gangsters as a nation, we have this gra for it all . Paudi(rip) , Micko etc they're legends for doing what they did to Westmeath, Kildare Laois but are they really , what dollars was involved , are we that fooking stupid ?
Take yesterdays final , many cynical plays to talk about, the negative manner in which the game was played , BJ Keane one, the obvious 50 that was never given (mchugh practically had to whisper it on tsg ). Why Why why i ask, because its the Kerry thing.
IMO, Pateen left Mayo football in a far worse state than he found it when he took on the job the last time.
I have no confidence at all that he'll do any better this time. Noel Connelly was a great player. Like Horan, he was a central player in a very strong side and according to Keith Duggan's "The House of Pain," he was also a forceful personality in the squad as well.
Dunno much about his work at underage level, but I think he'd do a lot better if he was able to operate on his own.
I can't see the pair of them standing up to the CB in the way Horan did.
There may be trouble ahead and that's for sure.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 22, 2014, 03:21:29 AM
To say that Donahy is a better F.F than Liston is going a bit far .Kerry are deserving All Ireland winners but they had the luck with there 2 goals and that had nothing to do with tactics.Kerry had the better players on the day and that is what usually wins you games and any talk of Mayo or Dublin being the 2 best teams in ireland this year is rubbish as they were not good enough to get there.
Kerry get special treatment and its mostly down to an attitude they have. They get away with a lot more than any other county in Ireland. The whole thing is just ridiculous with Kerry, as a community the GAA treat Kerry like we have treated the countrys rouges and gangsters as a nation, we have this gra for it all . Paudi(rip) , Micko etc they're legends for doing what they did to Westmeath, Kildare Laois but are they really , what dollars was involved , are we that fooking stupid ?
Take yesterdays final , many cynical plays to talk about, the negative manner in which the game was played , BJ Keane one, the obvious 50 that was never given (mchugh practically had to whisper it on tsg ). Why Why why i ask, because its the Kerry thing.
The 50 (aka the 45) was mentioned loads of times.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 22, 2014, 11:47:25 AM
IMO, Pateen left Mayo football in a far worse state than he found it when he took on the job the last time.
I have no confidence at all that he'll do any better this time. Noel Connelly was a great player. Like Horan, he was a central player in a very strong side and according to Keith Duggan's "The House of Pain," he was also a forceful personality in the squad as well.
Dunno much about his work at underage level, but I think he'd do a lot better if he was able to operate on his own.
I can't see the pair of them standing up to the CB in the way Horan did.
There may be trouble ahead and that's for sure.
We have no coaching plan at top level. In other counties like Kerry, the best man is groomed for the job and down our way it's whoever is nominated, free for all.
Would there be many former players (other than Connelly & Holmes) involved in coaching in Mayo that would be the same vintage as Horan i.e. 96/97 team?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Would there be many former players (other than Connelly & Holmes) involved in coaching in Mayo that would be the same vintage as Horan i.e. 96/97 team?
Ray Demspey was with the minors who got to the All Ireland a few years ago and had an unsuccessful spell with the 21s...
Not sure if Flanagan every coached Ballagh?
Nallen was a selector last year....can't think of any more off the top of my head.
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Would there be many former players (other than Connelly & Holmes) involved in coaching in Mayo that would be the same vintage as Horan i.e. 96/97 team?
Ray Demspey was with the minors who got to the All Ireland a few years ago and had an unsuccessful spell with the 21s...
Not sure if Flanagan every coached Ballagh?
Nallen was a selector last year....can't think of any more off the top of my head.
Pat Fallon-Barna
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Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Would there be many former players (other than Connelly & Holmes) involved in coaching in Mayo that would be the same vintage as Horan i.e. 96/97 team?
Ray Demspey was with the minors who got to the All Ireland a few years ago and had an unsuccessful spell with the 21s...
Not sure if Flanagan every coached Ballagh?
Nallen was a selector last year....can't think of any more off the top of my head.
Pat Fallon-Barna
Peter Burke is the current goalkeeping coach.
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Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
I am from a 'big club'.
Our manager has been appointed.
I am not overwhelmed by the appointment. Please explain my 'bias'.
Are you not a Castlebar man mup??
Yip. Pat was our manager up to earlier this year.
Was the "big club" thing a typo so or what?? ;D ;D
28 titles and current Connacht Champions.
There must be a of a lot of small clubs in Mayo! ;D
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Quote from: larryin89 on September 21, 2014, 02:38:41 AM
Split Dublin they said more like split mayo for the sake of peace. Thanks be to christ im not from a big club down home, they're all full of their own importance and the bias is just incredible. Id be more concerned about yer Kiltane defeat today than stickin yer head up your arse over the adopted rossies failed bid for the hot seat.
Connelly deserves our support.
I am from a 'big club'.
Our manager has been appointed.
I am not overwhelmed by the appointment. Please explain my 'bias'.
Are you not a Castlebar man mup??
Yip. Pat was our manager up to earlier this year.
Was the "big club" thing a typo so or what?? ;D ;D
28 titles and current Connacht Champions.
There must be a of a lot of small clubs in Mayo! ;D
If you're from a "small" club but you have a load of big players, are you then considered a "big" club??? :P
Are you still a big club if you're playing intermediate football ;)
Was there ever any talk of Maughan having another go at it?
Would he still have the legs for it?
Quote from: Jinxy on September 22, 2014, 04:33:19 PM
Was there ever any talk of Maughan having another go at it?
Would he still have the legs for it?
Whatever about having the legs for another go for it, he wasn't mentioned at all.
Quote from: maigheo on September 22, 2014, 03:21:29 AM
To say that Donahy is a better F.F than Liston is going a bit far .Kerry are deserving All Ireland winners but they had the luck with there 2 goals and that had nothing to do with tactics.Kerry had the better players on the day and that is what usually wins you games and any talk of Mayo or Dublin being the 2 best teams in ireland this year is rubbish as they were not good enough to get there.
We were good enough to get there - that s the annoying there.
If we re relying on being the best team on the day we ll find we never will be. Good managers try to ensure they are the best on the day. In recent years Harte, McGuinness and this year Fitzmaurice have given their team those extra inches.
Kerry s first goal yesterday was far from luck. On radio after JOD said they had practiced it in training. Pulling Donaghy out and isolating McGrath who they thought Geaney would take for height. If that s not tactics, I dunno what is. The second goal was good fortune and fair play to Donaghy he was waiting to pounce on a slack one. But Kerry played a strict tactical game all year and that got them there.
Jacko Shea said after that he had Kerry ranked as low as 5 for AI last May - his first 4 were Dub. Mayo, Cork and Tyrone in that order. Donegal were not even rated. He felt that the difference and the reason we had that final was because Kerry and Donegal had the 2 best managers. If Jim Gavin has a future he s going to have to look at the way Dublin plays and adapt. We ll have to wait and see.
I agree with him. You don t have to of course.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 22, 2014, 03:21:29 AM
To say that Donahy is a better F.F than Liston is going a bit far .Kerry are deserving All Ireland winners but they had the luck with there 2 goals and that had nothing to do with tactics.Kerry had the better players on the day and that is what usually wins you games and any talk of Mayo or Dublin being the 2 best teams in ireland this year is rubbish as they were not good enough to get there.
We were good enough to get there - that s the annoying there.
If we re relying on being the best team on the day we ll find we never will be. Good managers try to ensure they are the best on the day. In recent years Harte, McGuinness and this year Fitzmaurice have given their team those extra inches.
Kerry s first goal yesterday was far from luck. On radio after JOD said they had practiced it in training. Pulling Donaghy out and isolating McGrath who they thought Geaney would take for height. If that s not tactics, I dunno what is. The second goal was good fortune and fair play to Donaghy he was waiting to pounce on a slack one. But Kerry played a strict tactical game all year and that got them there.
Jacko Shea said after that he had Kerry ranked as low as 5 for AI last May - his first 4 were Dub. Mayo, Cork and Tyrone in that order. Donegal were not even rated. He felt that the difference and the reason we had that final was because Kerry and Donegal had the 2 best managers. If Jim Gavin has a future he s going to have to look at the way Dublin plays and adapt. We ll have to wait and see.
I agree with him. You don t have to of course.
They may have practiced that move but there was a huge chunk of luck involved as well - the ball in was s shot dropping short rather than a pass to Geaney. Brilliant finish though although he subsequently missed a much easier one
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Quote from: maigheo on September 22, 2014, 03:21:29 AM
To say that Donahy is a better F.F than Liston is going a bit far .Kerry are deserving All Ireland winners but they had the luck with there 2 goals and that had nothing to do with tactics.Kerry had the better players on the day and that is what usually wins you games and any talk of Mayo or Dublin being the 2 best teams in ireland this year is rubbish as they were not good enough to get there.
We were good enough to get there - that s the annoying there.
If we re relying on being the best team on the day we ll find we never will be. Good managers try to ensure they are the best on the day. In recent years Harte, McGuinness and this year Fitzmaurice have given their team those extra inches.
Kerry s first goal yesterday was far from luck. On radio after JOD said they had practiced it in training. Pulling Donaghy out and isolating McGrath who they thought Geaney would take for height. If that s not tactics, I dunno what is. The second goal was good fortune and fair play to Donaghy he was waiting to pounce on a slack one. But Kerry played a strict tactical game all year and that got them there.
Jacko Shea said after that he had Kerry ranked as low as 5 for AI last May - his first 4 were Dub. Mayo, Cork and Tyrone in that order. Donegal were not even rated. He felt that the difference and the reason we had that final was because Kerry and Donegal had the 2 best managers. If Jim Gavin has a future he s going to have to look at the way Dublin plays and adapt. We ll have to wait and see.
I agree with him. You don t have to of course.
They may have practiced that move but there was a huge chunk of luck involved as well - the ball in was s shot dropping short rather than a pass to Geaney. Brilliant finish though although he subsequently missed a much easier one
Yeah it looked like a shot but McGrath was still isolated. It might as well have been deliberate. That's the point. The second one would have ended the game. But it was tactical. The first dropping shot turned out to be a brilliant pass!
I think the penny has to drop eventually with Mayo people and losing. Can t always be blaming on Meath and bad luck.
If the current squad can t get there ( they should have already at least once) forget about it.
I ve always believed our players have been let down by watery management. Likes of Clarke, Higgins, Boyle, Keegan, O Sheas, McLoughlin, Parsons, O Connor, Dillon, Andy would back bone any AI winning team in the current circumstances.
Jeez Moysider that last post was ridicules.You are making up something to prove your point that every other manager is a tactical genius and James Horan is no better than a junior B manager.Gaelic football is not a chess game where you plan every move and no matter what way you spin it oBrien was attempting a shot which fell short and even if Neil McGee was marking Geaney he would have probably scored.Stuff happens in games and the real fault for the goal lies with McNeilis,not some tactical wizirdy from Fitzmaurice.If Jim Mcguinness was a Mayo man yesterday there would be plenty of posters saying he was tactically inept in putting Mcgrath on Geaney.The simple reason that Mayo have not won the all ireland is that the opposition have been better than us on the day .alot of pundits like talking about tactics as if they are a complete mystery but the reality is that a lot of tactics are getting the fundamentals right like passing with both hands,accurate kick passing,movement off the ball and being aware of every body around you.I am sure if kerry lost yesterday every body would be slating Fitzmaurice for taking O Donoghue away from the scoring zone but the winners always get to write the script.
I see the Mayo CB seem to have completely mismanaged the selection process for the new manager - check out Ed McGreal's tweets on what's in this week's Mayo News.
A member of the executive has even resigned over the way the whole thing was handled.
The board are either incompetent, or deliberately ignored the process in order to appoint the man (men) they wanted. I'm not sure which is worse, probably the latter.
It seems the CB will continue to run their affairs in a completely amateurish and political way, and they don't really give a fck how they are perceived. It's such a contrast to the modern, direct, professional approach used by Horan to run the senior team.
It doesn't provide much grounds for optimism for the medium to long term future of Mayo football if these are the people making decisions. As was the oft-cited case in 1951, if and when Mayo win an All-Ireland, it will be in spite of the County Board, not because of them.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 08:50:58 AM
I see the Mayo CB seem to have completely mismanaged the selection process for the new manager - check out Ed McGreal's tweets on what's in this week's Mayo News.
A member of the executive has even resigned over the way the whole thing was handled.
The board are either incompetent, or deliberately ignored the process in order to appoint the man (men) they wanted. I'm not sure which is worse, probably the latter.
It seems the CB will continue to run their affairs in a completely amateurish and political way, and they don't really give a fck how they are perceived. It's such a contrast to the modern, direct, professional approach used by Horan to run the senior team.
It doesn't provide much grounds for optimism for the medium to long term future of Mayo football if these are the people making decisions. As was the oft-cited case in 1951, if and when Mayo win an All-Ireland, it will be in spite of the County Board, not because of them.
Yes, this has been my concern also, and James Horan said it in his interview last week. The success of the last 4 years, and the minor all ireland happened almost despite the county board not because of them it seems. Its not like Tyrone, Kilkenny in hurling and other counties who have orchestrated a plan years back to ensure that everyone is pulling the same way. Its down to the fact that we always have quality footballers and had some really good guys (JH and team, Enda Gilvarry etc.) in key roles. All the issues that came out of the report 4 years ago after the Longford debacle are still there.
It would be absolutely criminal if this group of footballers (and there is plenty more talent to come in if the two bucks are open minded) dont win an all ireland. I think we will still ahve some success due to the talent that we have and the singlemindeness of these players, but it may not what it could have been, which is an all ireland because we are still not all pulling together.
Connelly & Holmes look to have a very good backroom team in place though.
Connelly, Holmes, Micheal Collins (selector), Donie Buckley (coach), Barry Solan (S&C).
Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 11:35:45 AM
Connelly & Holmes look to have a very good backroom team in place though.
Connelly, Holmes, Micheal Collins (selector), Donie Buckley (coach), Barry Solan (S&C).
Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin as the stats person according to rumours.
Pat Rabbitte as the kit man.
I don't know, why are ye complicating all the tactical stuff with ifs buts and maybes.
1....Donaghy came on with minutes to go in sf , we were five points up , he created the goal and showed he could murder caff .
Q. Does that make horan tactically incompetent ? No,it was a chance taken by Kerry management, a last throw of the dice , it worked .
2.. We find ourselves in a replay , we've had our ample warning in the above, Horan has to combat the aerial threat from Donaghy with a tactic whether it was when he came on or if he started. He didn't , he showed himself to be a first class clown in this episode , gloss over it whatever way you like. It lost us the game, not the losing of midfield, not the clash of heads blah blah .
Furthermore he didnt even try to change it after 20 mins into the replay with BM and TP at his disposal one of them should of been dropped back to cover KD. Caff has not got the hands for the high ball game, its just not in him . Lots of positives to the lads game but it horses for courses in todays world.
QuoteI see the Mayo CB seem to have completely mismanaged the selection process for the new manager - check out Ed McGreal's tweets on what's in this week's Mayo News.
Ah now, shurley your not relying on the twitter machine.
It's a positive appointment and the the CB should be commended for keeping the likes of Donie Buckley on the team and also for the quick implementation, James Horan said as much.
Lets get behind the men and hopefully we will have a tactical strategy for mixing our game a bit more defensively next year and stopping goals and being capable to hang onto our 5 and 7 point leads in match's.
Ultimately the previous management did wonders for Mayo football and got us a superfit and remarkably trained squad with a sleek attacking style that the whole country admired. I really believe that all we are missing is the key ingredient of being a bit more cuter when the chips are down, that comes from leadership and conviction on the line and both Connelly and Holmes have this in spades.
Barry Solan added to the team is a great move. This lad is innovative and in demand around the globe, also add to the mix that he is a die hard Mayo man with experience of playing ball with London, he will leave no stone unturned for the cause.
QuoteAll the issues that came out of the report 4 years ago after the Longford debacle are still there.
WTF? Are you serious?
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 12:01:39 PM
QuoteI see the Mayo CB seem to have completely mismanaged the selection process for the new manager - check out Ed McGreal's tweets on what's in this week's Mayo News.
Ah now, shurley your not relying on the twitter machine.
It's a positive appointment and the the CB should be commended for keeping on the likes of Donie Buckley on the team and also for the quick implementation, James Horan said as much.
Lets get behind the men and hopefully we will have a tactical strategy for mixing our game a bit more defensively next year and stopping goals and being capable to hang onto our 5 and 7 point leads in match's.
Ultimately the previous management did wonders for Mayo football and got us to a superfit and remarkably trained squad with a sleek attacking style that the whole country admired. I really believe that all we are missing is the key ingredient of being a bit more cuter when the chips are down, that comes from leadership and conviction on the lien and both Connelly and Holmes have this in spades.
Barry Solan added to the team is a great move. This lad is innovative and in demand around the globe, also add to the mix that he is a die hard Mayo man with experience of playing ball with London, he will leave no stone unturned for the cause.
I completely support the new mgmt team, but that doesn't mean the process to appoint them was correct.
I'm not relying on twitter, I'm basing it on The Mayo News, which is a reputable source for Mayo GAA matters I'm sure you'll agree.
It seems they didn't bother to interview McStay at all, I'm not sure if they interviewed Connelly & Holmes.
Either way, it's a disgraceful way to treat an applicant for a high-profile position, and it shows the CB as dysfunctional and amateurish.
And it would have been Connelly & Holmes that asked Buckley to stay on I'm sure, not the county board.
Fair enough. I read it as more twitter rumours.
Anyhow, likely storm in a teacup that will sell a few papers. This is the usual stuff in all counties.
The main thing is we have the correct 'home' management team in place.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 23, 2014, 11:53:42 AM
one of them should of been dropped back
Red Card Larry >:(
I bet Horan would have written it correctly.
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A bit of an own goal by the CB there alright. Some communication issues need to be tweaked.
It will all be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Best to move on. The Football team and management are more important.
Quote from: Geoff Tipps on September 23, 2014, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 11:35:45 AM
Connelly & Holmes look to have a very good backroom team in place though.
Connelly, Holmes, Micheal Collins (selector), Donie Buckley (coach), Barry Solan (S&C).
Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin as the stats person according to rumours.
Well that's the end of Mayo now. Sure the lads will be completely distracted.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 02:47:02 PM
Well that's the end of Mayo now.
We live in hope ;D :-*
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 02:42:02 PM
A bit of an own goal by the CB there alright. Some communication issues need to be tweaked.
It will all be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Best to move on. The Football team and management are more important.
Tweaked!? Are you pulling the piss? Are you Paddy McNicholas by any chance?
A process was put in place:
i) interview panel arranged
ii) dates for interviews agreed (today and tomorrow)
iii) interview panel to report back to CB executive on Thursday
iv) Recommendation to be put to full CB on Friday
And what happens? Paddy McNicholas rings Kevin McStay on Saturday and tells him they're going with Connelly and Holmes!
No interview, no explanation.
Then when word inevitably gets out, the CB (presumably Aidan McLoughlin, PRO) says that no decision has been made and interviews will proceed as scheduled.
Later that evening, the CB releases a statement saying that a meeting took place between the interviewing committee and the CB executive, and Connelly & Holmes were put forward as the new mgmt team.
It now transpires that such a meeting never took place - 4 members of the executive have said so, and one has resigned in protest as the "sham" of a process.
It's a complete farce and wouldn't be tolerated in any properly functioning organisation. How can you be happy with that??
If this is the approach taken, any success will be by chance and will be temporary.
You can't plan, develop and build for the future with that type of haphazard approach - simply not good enough.
Buck rests with Paddy McNicholas. He needs to resign as quickly as possibly. Secretary and treasurer as well if they were in on this.
Unfortunately our new management team is damaged by this farce before they start. I for one have no confidence in anything cobbled together in this fashion.
I think people should calm down until we hear what McStay had to say in that call. If all signs were pointing towards an appointment other than McStay's proposed team then perhaps he was the one that opted out. It appears to be a speculative statement by the Mayo news that yer man (or me as someone thinks) made a specific call to McStay telling him he was out of the running.
There are two sides to every story and we are only get one side here.
Did someone say that McStay had a piece in the same paper in relation to this? Can that be posted up?
Sure whats left on McNicholos term anyway?
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
I think people should calm down until we hear what McStay had to say in that call. If all signs were pointing towards an appointment other than McStay's proposed team then perhaps he was the one that opted out. It appears to be a speculative statement by the Mayo news that yer man (or me as someone thinks) made a specific call to McStay telling him he was out of the running.
There are two sides to every story and we are only get one side here.
Did someone say that McStay had a piece in the same paper in relation to this? Can that be posted up?
By the sound of things it was the CB pushing McStay out the door by not letting McHale be involved.
What's the beef with McHale?
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 03:12:28 PM
I think people should calm down until we hear what McStay had to say in that call. If all signs were pointing towards an appointment other than McStay's proposed team then perhaps he was the one that opted out. It appears to be a speculative statement by the Mayo news that yer man (or me as someone thinks) made a specific call to McStay telling him he was out of the running.
There are two sides to every story and we are only get one side here.
Did someone say that McStay had a piece in the same paper in relation to this? Can that be posted up?
Interview here, hope ya can read it;
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The timeline of events were as follows as far as I understand it.
Connolly and McStay met with board last week and presented their plans.
An interview committee was selected on Friday night to interview both men (interviews never took place).
On Saturaday the Chairman rang McStay to thank him for his application but he was no longer being considered and Connelly was going to be appointed. If somebody else was involved in deciding this course of action I don t know but have my doubts.
Other members of the executive heard of this development and one resigned. Others threatened to resign .unless the original agreed process was adhered to.
On Monday McStay was again contacted to be told that Connelly had not been given the job and could he come to Castlebar for a meeting tonight (Tuesday).
Now if that isn t a mess I dunno what is.
Clearly the chairman has to go. Also anybody else that decided on that course of action. Unfortunately the vice-chairman is coming under suspicion locally, which if true would open another can of worms.
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 04:22:14 PM
The timeline of events were as follows as far as I understand it.
Connolly and McStay met with board last week and presented their plans.
An interview committee was selected on Friday night to interview both men (interviews never took place).
On Saturaday the Chairman rang McStay to thank him for his application but he was no longer being considered and Connelly was going to be appointed. If somebody else was involved in deciding this course of action I don t know but have my doubts.
Other members of the executive heard of this development and one resigned. Others threatened to resign .unless the original agreed process was adhered to.
On Monday McStay was again contacted to be told that Connelly had not been given the job and could he come to Castlebar for a meeting tonight (Tuesday).
Now if that isn t a mess I dunno what is.
Clearly the chairman has to go. Also anybody else that decided on that course of action. Unfortunately the vice-chairman is coming under suspicion locally, which if true would open another can of worms.
Are you serious!? They're making a laughing stock of themselves if that's true. I hope McStay told them he didn't want to get involved in that charade thank you very much.
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 04:22:14 PM
The timeline of events were as follows as far as I understand it.
Connolly and McStay met with board last week and presented their plans.
An interview committee was selected on Friday night to interview both men (interviews never took place).
On Saturaday the Chairman rang McStay to thank him for his application but he was no longer being considered and Connelly was going to be appointed. If somebody else was involved in deciding this course of action I don t know but have my doubts.
Other members of the executive heard of this development and one resigned. Others threatened to resign .unless the original agreed process was adhered to.
On Monday McStay was again contacted to be told that Connelly had not been given the job and could he come to Castlebar for a meeting tonight (Tuesday).
Now if that isn t a mess I dunno what is.
Clearly the chairman has to go. Also anybody else that decided on that course of action. Unfortunately the vice-chairman is coming under suspicion locally, which if true would open another can of worms.
This was the "Official" statement released on Saturday night at 9.30. I've copy & pasted incase the link is taken down!
Link;
http://www.mayogaa.com/news/339505/Statement_Re_Mayo_Senior_Football_Team_Manager
Today Saturday 20th September 2014 the Mayo Senior Football Team Interview Committee met with the Executive of the Mayo County Board where they gave the recommendation that Noel Connelly & Pat Holmes be put forward for the position as Senior Football Team Manager. The other candidate in the process, Kevin McStay, was this afternoon informed of this intention. Mr McStay, while very disappointed, stated he was happy with the board's decision and wished Noel Connolly and Pat Holmes the very best with their future endeavours.
The Mayo G.A.A. County Board would like to thank most sincerely Kevin McStay for his time in this process and we wish him the very best in the future.
There will be no further comment until the new Management team has been put in place.
Who is the Vice-Chairman?
In all seriousness that's some mess of worms.
I see Ballaghaderreen Co. Roscommon resident John O'Mahony has been appointed as an "Advisor" to the new Carlow Manager.
Wonder does it pay as well as being an advisor to a FG Minister ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 23, 2014, 05:14:43 PM
Who is the Vice-Chairman?
Board here;
Executive Position Name Uachtaran Jim Fleming
Chairman Paddy McNicholas
Vice Chairman Mike Connolly
Secretary Vincent Neary
Assisant Secretary Seamus Tuohy
Treasurer J.P. Lambe
Assistant Treasurer Michael Diskin
Public Relations Officer Aiden McLoughlin
Central Council Delegate Jerry Henry
Connacht Council Delegate Padraic Staunton
Connacht Council Delegate Willie Kelly
Youth Officer Padraig Walsh
Oifigeach na Gaeilge Declan Prendergast
Development Officer Michael O'Malley
Coaching Officer Padraic Carolan
Hurling Board Chairman John Hopkins
East Board Chairman Vincent Walsh
North Board Chairman
South Board Chairman Ger McHugh
West Board Chairman Michael Moran
Bord na nOg Secretary Sean MacHale
Bord na nOg Chairman Seamus Tuohy
At what point did Noel and Pat know they had the job?
Looks like McStay is doing Mayo as a county a solid by not going Tommy Lyons on the CB and exposing what does appear to be quite a f**k up in procedure. If ould Paddy and company aren't farmed off they have McStay to thank for it.
Have to say McStay has come out of this debacle looking as good as he possibly could, went to bat for his man (and his right to assemble his own team) and didn't put the knife in when many would. Ye can have him after us.
Ah lads. Go and read the mcstay interview.
Loads of miss reporting by the mayo news in the related articles.
This is a storm in a teacup. As I correctly guessed its a typical newspaper making a big story out of nothing. Twitterizing it also to help the sales. Sad state of affairs.
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Ah lads. Go and read the mcstay interview.
Loads of miss reporting by the mayo news in the related articles.
This is a storm in a teacup. As I correctly guessed its a typical newspaper making a big story out of nothing. Twitterizing it also to help the sales. Sad state of affairs.
If you say so Paddy.....
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Ah lads. Go and read the mcstay interview.
Loads of miss reporting by the mayo news in the related articles.
This is a storm in a teacup. As I correctly guessed its a typical newspaper making a big story out of nothing. Twitterizing it also to help the sales. Sad state of affairs.
Can you clarify when Connelly and Holmes were told they had the job?
We know McStay was told Sat he was unsuccessful in his application.
Larry go and read the mcstay interview. That's not my reading of it but it appears to be yours and everyone else's. Maybe I've a different understanding of English than everyone else. Anyhow I don't want to get involved in petty squabbles, I'll leave ye to draw the conclusions that ye feel suit yourselves, I'm only basing mine on what mcstay himself said but what was then contextualised into overblown headlines by a commercial paper.
I dont have the mayo news, i just want to know when pat and noel were told they had the job.
Mayo mick uploaded the relevant articles. The bits in commas are the direct quotes. The rest is journalist reporting. Better to read mcstays quotes only.
I don't know when the lads were informed but I'd imagine they got the all clear once mcstay regarded any further process as "for the gallery".
I'd prefer to hear what mcstay had to say in a verbal interview rather than the bizarre reports in the mayo news.
Quote from: highorlow on September 23, 2014, 06:58:47 PM
Mayo mick uploaded the relevant articles. The bits in commas are the direct quotes. The rest is journalist reporting. Better to read mcstays quotes only.
I don't know when the lads were informed but I'd imagine they got the all clear once mcstay regarded any further process as "window dressing".
Ok buddy i have a had a quick look through there , to quote Kevin McStay '' once it was made known to me Saturday morning that Noel and Pat were well ahead......etc etc '
So it was indeed saturday morning that Kevin was informed. Now i know for a fact he was mistreated. Connelly and Holmes knew on friday they had the job.
So highorlow, why has a member of the executive resigned?
Quote from: mayo.mick on September 23, 2014, 05:40:24 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 23, 2014, 05:14:43 PM
Who is the Vice-Chairman?
Board here;
Executive Position Name
Uachtaran Jim Fleming
Chairman Paddy McNicholas
Vice Chairman Mike Connolly
Secretary Vincent Neary
Assisant Secretary Seamus Tuohy
Treasurer J.P. Lambe
Assistant Treasurer Michael Diskin
Public Relations Officer Aiden McLoughlin
Central Council Delegate Jerry Henry
Connacht Council Delegate Padraic Staunton
Connacht Council Delegate Willie Kelly
Youth Officer Padraig Walsh
Oifigeach na Gaeilge Declan Prendergast
Development Officer Michael O'Malley
Coaching Officer Padraic Carolan
Hurling Board Chairman John Hopkins
East Board Chairman Vincent Walsh
North Board Chairman
South Board Chairman Ger McHugh
West Board Chairman Michael Moran
Bord na nOg Secretary Sean MacHale
Bord na nOg Chairman Seamus Tuohy
Thanks Mick. It's an awful hames the CB have made of it. Can the hoors not be transparent for once? Or do they have to make a right f**k up of everything?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 07:20:25 PM
So highorlow, why has a member of the executive resigned?
Indeed. The most pertinent question and his own answer reveals the circumvention of an agreed process less than twelve hours after it had been agreed.
Is anyone who has followed this great counties fortunes for any length of time surprised by this turn of events?
I'm not in the least bit surprised although I have to say I'm still disappointed that we seem to have a peculiar talent for rewarding cronyism and we always seem to end up with chancers at the top table. It's nothing new of course and we can go all the way back to our last AI winning team writing letters of protest to the then county board. We've recently had the debacle of a root and branch review of football in the county leading to the strategic plan that was promptly shelved and will never see the light of day again.
Quote from: Chimley on September 23, 2014, 08:05:17 PM
Is anyone who has followed this great counties fortunes for any length of time surprised by this turn of events?
Sadly, no. It beggars belief though, that this 'process' has been given the go ahead. I thought somebody from the 'inner sanctum' themselves said there was an approach to be taken - per a directive from Croke Park? If so, does this mean the joint managership null and void or what?
Shambles .
Timeline of events from Newstalk.
County Board meet McStay for preliminary talks. Executive meet agree a process. Chairman ignores the process. Rings McStay tells him he is not wanted. Rings McStay tells him he wants him to go for interview or Pull Out. Release a Statement which is untrue. Shaft McStay. Get caught out in their ineptitude. Go into hiding.
You couldn't make it up and give the job to a man who left Eoin Reilly on Diarmuid Conolly for the whole All Ireland Club Final. Connolly scores 2-5 no change made. Won 1 Connacht Championship match in first spell as manager.
Their other choice the Vice Chairmans brother has won a MW league with his Club in his three years in charge.
No wonder they didn't want interviews.
No wonder some of us were dreading Horan leaving.
This madness can t continue. Paddy must resign and the new executive must start the process all over again. This is possible because, fortunately, the new management has not been put in place. If Holmes and Connelly have any sense they will stand aside until this matter is resolved. If Paddy goes ahead and gets the board appoint H&C under these circumstances they will have no credibility within the county or anywhere else.
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
No wonder some of us were dreading Horan leaving.
This madness can t continue. Paddy must resign and the new executive must start the process all over again. This is possible because, fortunately, the new management has not been put in place. If Holmes and Connelly have any sense they will stand aside until this matter is resolved. If Paddy goes ahead and gets the board appoint H&C under these circumstances they will have no credibility within the county or anywhere else.
The deal is done and the race is run. Sure Donie Buck and Barry Solan have already committed to the dual-headed managers.
Don't forsee been enough of a heave to not ratify the management.
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
No wonder some of us were dreading Horan leaving.
This madness can t continue. Paddy must resign and the new executive must start the process all over again. This is possible because, fortunately, the new management has not been put in place. If Holmes and Connelly have any sense they will stand aside until this matter is resolved. If Paddy goes ahead and gets the board appoint H&C under these circumstances they will have no credibility within the county or anywhere else.
The deal is done and the race is run. Sure Donie Buck and Barry Solan have already committed to the dual-headed managers.
Don't forsee been enough of a heave to not ratify the management.
Im not sure if your post is by accident or design (maybe im giving you too much credit) either way . No comment.
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
No wonder some of us were dreading Horan leaving.
This madness can t continue. Paddy must resign and the new executive must start the process all over again. This is possible because, fortunately, the new management has not been put in place. If Holmes and Connelly have any sense they will stand aside until this matter is resolved. If Paddy goes ahead and gets the board appoint H&C under these circumstances they will have no credibility within the county or anywhere else.
The deal is done and the race is run. Sure Donie Buck and Barry Solan have already committed to the dual-headed managers.
Don't forsee been enough of a heave to not ratify the management.
Would you kindly f**k off out of this thread and find a sheep to worry for an hour or two.
Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
No wonder some of us were dreading Horan leaving.
This madness can t continue. Paddy must resign and the new executive must start the process all over again. This is possible because, fortunately, the new management has not been put in place. If Holmes and Connelly have any sense they will stand aside until this matter is resolved. If Paddy goes ahead and gets the board appoint H&C under these circumstances they will have no credibility within the county or anywhere else.
The deal is done and the race is run. Sure Donie Buck and Barry Solan have already committed to the dual-headed managers.
Don't forsee been enough of a heave to not ratify the management.
Would you kindly f**k off out of this thread and find a sheep to worry for an hour or two.
Oh dear!!! What an intemperate post to poor young Syfín.
Looks like the Rhubairbíns are ratherr upset and touchy these days :-*.
There were similar rumours in Armagh of Paul Grimley getting shafted when Peter McDonnell got the Armagh job in 2008. The undue grief McDonnell received led to him quitting after 2 years. It put Armagh football back. Hope the same does not happen Mayo.
This thread is heading for 100 pages 8)
Quote from: Tubberman on September 23, 2014, 09:16:02 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2014, 09:05:11 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
No wonder some of us were dreading Horan leaving.
This madness can t continue. Paddy must resign and the new executive must start the process all over again. This is possible because, fortunately, the new management has not been put in place. If Holmes and Connelly have any sense they will stand aside until this matter is resolved. If Paddy goes ahead and gets the board appoint H&C under these circumstances they will have no credibility within the county or anywhere else.
The deal is done and the race is run. Sure Donie Buck and Barry Solan have already committed to the dual-headed managers.
Don't forsee been enough of a heave to not ratify the management.
Would you kindly f**k off out of this thread and find a sheep to worry for an hour or two.
Tbf to Syf, he's probably bang on there.
If this is true, it looks like a complete stitch up and bad news for Mayo football. It's up to the remaining members of the selection committee to stand up and be counted on this and tell the full story
If the story is true, I'm not sure there's any good way out of this other than Connelly and Holmes offering to stand aside in favour of a new process run by a new CB chairman / committee. And even then, there'll be division on it
If Connelly and Holmes do step down...who would put their name forward.
The only way I could see it working out would be as part of an entirely new process under a new selection committee. With connelly and Holmes being interviewed as one of the candidates - they don't seem to have done anything wrong in all of this so they shouldn't be excluded.
Can't see it happening though
Connelly and Holmes will be the new joint managers, sin e.
You'd have to worry about how this is all going to unsettle the panel and 2015 on the field could be as shambolic as the cb itself.
What odds are Galway to win Connacht?
Is anyone able to confirm the family connection between Noel Connelly and the County Board?
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 23, 2014, 11:39:02 PM
The only way I could see it working out would be as part of an entirely new process under a new selection committee. With connelly and Holmes being interviewed as one of the candidates - they don't seem to have done anything wrong in all of this so they shouldn't be excluded.
Can't see it happening though
Dunno. I suspect that Holmes and Connelly were 'groomed' for this. They are in it up to their necks afaic.
McStay will have nothing to do with it now anyway I d suspect.
So if there s any way out of this mess it will have to be something else. Maybe a James Nallen that would have the respect of everybody or an outsider that would not have any of this local stink about them. Time to give that lad in Crossmaglen a call or Jack O Connor. Put this nonsense behind us.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 23, 2014, 11:46:17 PM
Connelly and Holmes will be the new joint managers, sin e.
You'd have to worry about how this is all going to unsettle the panel and 2015 on the field could be as shambolic as the cb itself.
What odds are Galway to win Connacht?
If you think they are good value, take it!
Get this wrong and we ll get the Johnno years all over again. Oh wait, the first Pateen years all over again as well.
Would it not be pointless to start the whole process (non process) again as its hard to imagine M cStay throwing his hat in the ring again .
I must say McStay gets on my wick sometimes on tsg but i genuinely feel sorry for him over this, he seems such a decent guy and anything as underhand as this to go against him , is just so wrong , his personality is so prim and proper and this act is the polar opposite.
Quote from: larryin89 on September 24, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
Would it not be pointless to start the whole process (non process) again as its hard to imagine M cStay throwing his hat in the ring again .
I must say McStay gets on my wick sometimes on tsg but i genuinely feel sorry for him over this, he seems such a decent guy and anything as underhand as this to go against him , is just so wrong , his personality is so prim and proper and this act is the polar opposite.
No point feeling sorry for McStay. He s able to figure this out for himself and I d expect he knew exactly what was coming when he went for it. If anything he has done us all a favour by showing up the dirty underbelly of Mayo football.
As regards pointless starting the process all over again - it is essential that the process starts all over again!
The chairman has to go. There is no management team there now. The new executive has to begin again.
Buckley agreeing to stay on nothing to do with it. Himself and Barry Solan can still be retained by next management but this mess must be put to bed.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 12:16:54 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 24, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
Would it not be pointless to start the whole process (non process) again as its hard to imagine M cStay throwing his hat in the ring again .
I must say McStay gets on my wick sometimes on tsg but i genuinely feel sorry for him over this, he seems such a decent guy and anything as underhand as this to go against him , is just so wrong , his personality is so prim and proper and this act is the polar opposite.
No point feeling sorry for McStay. He s able to figure this out for himself and I d expect he knew exactly what was coming when he went for it. If anything he has done us all a favour by showing up the dirty underbelly of Mayo football.
As regards pointless starting the process all over again - it is essential that the process starts all over again!
The chairman has to go. There is no management team there now. The new executive has to begin again.
Buckley agreeing to stay on nothing to do with it. Himself and Barry Solan can still be retained by next management but this mess must be put to bed.
Buckley and Solan would have been made promises already, Buckley has obviously turned down Dara and 21s in Kerry for this . If the process was to begin again , who is to say the successful applicant would agree to them lads or are you saying it would have to be a condition of the job?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 24, 2014, 12:23:07 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 12:16:54 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on September 24, 2014, 12:03:58 AM
Would it not be pointless to start the whole process (non process) again as its hard to imagine M cStay throwing his hat in the ring again .
I must say McStay gets on my wick sometimes on tsg but i genuinely feel sorry for him over this, he seems such a decent guy and anything as underhand as this to go against him , is just so wrong , his personality is so prim and proper and this act is the polar opposite.
No point feeling sorry for McStay. He s able to figure this out for himself and I d expect he knew exactly what was coming when he went for it. If anything he has done us all a favour by showing up the dirty underbelly of Mayo football.
As regards pointless starting the process all over again - it is essential that the process starts all over again!
The chairman has to go. There is no management team there now. The new executive has to begin again.
Buckley agreeing to stay on nothing to do with it. Himself and Barry Solan can still be retained by next management but this mess must be put to bed.
Buckley and Solan would have been made promises already, Buckley has obviously turned down Dara and 21s in Kerry for this . If the process was to begin again , who is to say the successful applicant would agree to them lads or are you saying it would have to be a condition of the job?
I highly doubt he committed to the Kerry U21s and de-committed again two weeks later. He'll be double-jobbing.
Quote from: stephenite on September 23, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
Is anyone able to confirm the family connection between Noel Connelly and the County Board?
Mike Connelly who is the vice chairman and Noel are brothers but to be fair he is in no way linked to this mess.For some reason he spells his name Connolly on the Mayo GAA website ,thus creating the confusion.
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 23, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
Is anyone able to confirm the family connection between Noel Connelly and the County Board?
Mike Connelly who is the vice chairman and Noel are brothers but to be fair he is in no way linked to this mess.For some reason he spells his name Connolly on the Mayo GAA website ,thus creating the confusion.
Imagine if he ended up the chairman because the battle-axe had to step down. A bad scene however this one falls.
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 23, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
Is anyone able to confirm the family connection between Noel Connelly and the County Board?
Mike Connelly who is the vice chairman and Noel are brothers but to be fair he is in no way linked to this mess.For some reason he spells his name Connolly on the Mayo GAA website ,thus creating the confusion.
Mike (however he spells his name) is up to his neck in this nightmare now anyway.
This little cartel is busted.
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
Quote from: stephenite on September 23, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
Is anyone able to confirm the family connection between Noel Connelly and the County Board?
Mike Connelly who is the vice chairman and Noel are brothers but to be fair he is in no way linked to this mess.For some reason he spells his name Connolly on the Mayo GAA website ,thus creating the confusion.
How is he 'in no way linked'?
I find that very difficult to believe....
As far as I know Mike Connelly had stepped back from the process of appointing the next Mayo manager as his brother was involved and I do not think it is fair to say otherwise right now.To make things more bizarre Connelly and Holmes were interviewed last night for the job for which they had already been appointed last friday.Jeez you could not make this shit up.For me I would have preferred Connelly to have got the job by himself as I have still bad memories of the Pat Holmes nightmare from 2000 to 2003 culminating with the meek surrender to Cork in the all ireland Q final.I will always remember watching that game in NY and after hoping I would not meet any Irish person in case they would ask me about the game as I felt so embarrassed
Quote from: moysider on September 23, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 23, 2014, 11:39:02 PM
The only way I could see it working out would be as part of an entirely new process under a new selection committee. With connelly and Holmes being interviewed as one of the candidates - they don't seem to have done anything wrong in all of this so they shouldn't be excluded.
Can't see it happening though
Dunno. I suspect that Holmes and Connelly were 'groomed' for this. They are in it up to their necks afaic.
McStay will have nothing to do with it now anyway I d suspect.
So if there s any way out of this mess it will have to be something else. Maybe a James Nallen that would have the respect of everybody or an outsider that would not have any of this local stink about them. Time to give that lad in Crossmaglen a call or Jack O Connor. Put this nonsense behind us.
In fairness, unless you know something other than what's been revealed on here so far, I would hold back on making such statements. As far as I can see, Noel Connelly or Pat Holmes have done nothing wrong here, and until someone can show me evidence to indicate otherwise they shouldn't have their names blackened over this.
From where we are currently in this mess, the only way forward I can see is to leave Connelly and Holmes in place.
McStay won't go near the job, and it is hard to see any decent candidates put their hat in the ring if the process was re-started.
McNicholas has to walk, and if not, he must be pushed. The problem with this cartel is, there are many good GAA men in the county that would not go near the CB due to the politics involved (and most decent men wouldn't last five minutes with the backstabbing involved)
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-reveals-massive-disappointment-in-missing-out-on-mayo-post-and-slams-liam-mchales-detractors-30611206.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-reveals-massive-disappointment-in-missing-out-on-mayo-post-and-slams-liam-mchales-detractors-30611206.html)
McStay also criticised some players for their feelings towards Liam McHale who McStay wished to appoint as a coach had he been selected.
"Apparently, some players and members of James Horan's managerial structure had a problem with some of the comments he(McHale) made over a period of time in a local newspaper. God love them if their sensitivities were a little bruised," he added.
What was this about lads?
Quote"Apparently, some players and members of James Horan's managerial structure had a problem with some of the comments he(McHale) made over a period of time in a local newspaper. God love them if their sensitivities were a little bruised," he added.
Pot Kettle Black.
There had to be a reason behind the swiftness of the decision. At least he has come out now and repaired some of his leak's. Fair play to him but his media skills came into play by leaving this revelation for one of his own commercial paper employers, the hearld, rather than spitting it out in the Mayo news interview. Instead he tried to keep coy about the matter.
I'm not here to defend the CB or anything like that but KMcS hasn't exactly covered himself in plaudits by consistently stating he is working for the good of Mayo football yet on the other hand playing the local and national media game for what can only be said is his own benefit. He is trying to have his cake and eat it.
Ultimately the players and DBuckley appeared to have a say which has to be a good thing (almost every Mayo poster wanted DB to be kept for some continuity), the CB are damed if they do and damed if they don't. The players must always come first. If this is the cartel that one poster has alleged then the players and some of the previous management are in it!
It is unfortunate that the CB weren't as quick to get behind the players and previous management for the Limerick fixture as they were to act in this appointment.
Also it is obvious some communication and internal CB team building issues need to be resolved but that doesn't really concern or affect the team.
It has to be said that KMcS did drip feed the media and it is causing undue hyperbole. This benefits no one. He could have said what he said in the indo article straight up, perhaps he did and the Mayo news held back? Obviously feels bitter about what had happened but this is now getting childish. The proof of this is that the children over on the WJ site are gone haywire altogether.
It's time to move on now and get behind the new management. It's a f**king disgrace what some posters have said here already basing everything on hearsay and in particular judging the new management before a ball is even kicked.
Just have a look at the comment beneath the indo article, it's becoming laughable outside the county now.
I was criticized yesterday for my rational take on this matter where I was basing only my analysis on the facts presented and these facts were and can only be on what KMS had to say, or as it turned out yesterday half say, in the Mayo news. I don't live at home so I don't hear the rumors or hearsay and even if I did I wouldn't take heed of them.
Also I'm glad, as one poster has said, that Noel Connelly's brother stepped aside during this process. That was the obvious intelligent and honorable thing to do.
One final word on this, if Liam McHale had long term ambitions over been involved with this current crop of great players then slating them publicly wasn't a very intelligent move.
We have two intelligent lads in charge who just want to do the best for the county. Time to get behind them.
http://www.newstalk.ie/player/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/64314/0/fiasco_in_mayo_over_next_football_manager
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2014, 10:27:14 AM
Quote"Apparently, some players and members of James Horan's managerial structure had a problem with some of the comments he(McHale) made over a period of time in a local newspaper. God love them if their sensitivities were a little bruised," he added.
Pot Kettle Black.
There had to be a reason behind the swiftness of the decision. At least he has come out now and repaired some of his leak's. Fair play to him but his media skills came into play by leaving this revelation for one of his own commercial paper employers, the hearld, rather than spitting it out in the Mayo news interview. Instead he tried to keep coy about the matter.
I'm not here to defend the CB or anything like that but KMcS hasn't exactly covered himself in plaudits by consistently stating he is working for the good of Mayo football yet on the other hand playing the local and national media game for what can only be said is his own benefit. He is trying to have his cake and eat it.
Ultimately the players and DBuckley appeared to have a say which has to be a good thing (almost every Mayo poster wanted DB to be kept for some continuity), the CB are damed if they do and damed if they don't. The players must always come first. If this is the cartel that one poster has alleged then the players and some of the previous management are in it!
It is unfortunate that the CB weren't as quick to get behind the players and previous management for the Limerick fixture as they were to act in this appointment.
Also it is obvious some communication and internal CB team building issues need to be resolved but that doesn't really concern or affect the team.
It has to be said that KMcS did drip feed the media and it is causing undue hyperbole. This benefits no one. He could have said what he said in the indo article straight up, perhaps he did and the Mayo news held back? Obviously feels bitter about what had happened but this is now getting childish. The proof of this is that the children over on the WJ site are gone haywire altogether.
It's time to move on now and get behind the new management. It's a f**king disgrace what some posters have said here already basing everything on hearsay and in particular judging the new management before a ball is even kicked.
Just have a look at the comment beneath the indo article, it's becoming laughable outside the county now.
I was criticized yesterday for my rational take on this matter where I was basing only my analysis on the facts presented and these facts were and can only be on what KMS had to say, or as it turned out yesterday half say, in the Mayo news. I don't live at home so I don't hear the rumors or hearsay and even if I did I wouldn't take heed of them.
Also I'm glad, as one poster has said, that Noel Connelly's brother stepped aside during this process. That was the obvious intelligent and honorable thing to do.
One final word on this, if Liam McHale had long term ambitions over been involved with this current crop of great players then slating them publicly wasn't a very intelligent move.
We have two intelligent lads in charge who just want to do the best for the county. Time to get behind them.
What did he say though?
It seems any criticism nowadays is considered 'slating' by players so I'd be interested to know what he actually said that was so bad.
I've heard nothing about this before but were people annoyed by his comments at the time or is this all just coming out now?
Moysider. I read McHale's comments in today's indo.
Can the pair not just let it go. It's done and dusted. They didn't get the gig. Move on like everyone else that doesn't get what they want.
Ah this is another year that Mayo fans got their hopes up thinking it was their time to lift Sam and yet again it ends in embarrassment. You have to feel sorry for them in a way but at the same time it's a bit funny. They never learn do they? I think it was last years final that had Maughan saying he just felt deep down that this was Mayo's time, he really should know better.
The longer the wait goes on the more obsessed and fanatical they all become. It's at scary levels now, a part of you thinks you'd like them to win but that would end the hilarity of it all, this latest episode is comedy gold. I know Mayo fans wont appreciate this comment and they don't exist for other people's entertainment but keep it up lads, maybe next year will be your year. ;D
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2014, 11:15:21 AM
Moysider. I read McHale's comments in today's indo.
Can the pair not just let it go. It's done and dusted. They didn't get the gig. Move on like everyone else that doesn't get what they want.
In this instance I don't think they should let it go.
It's crazy stuff.
QuoteIn this instance I don't think they should let it go.
It's crazy stuff
They both preach about the good of Mayo football. This isn't doing Mayo any good.
Also for a 'team' they have conflicting reasons for not becoming the chosen ones, which is another reason to knock this on the head:
MacHale = Plans too radical for CB
McStay = Previous management team and players upset by McHales comments.
It's crazy alright.
After what has gone on, it's hard to see either Kevin Mc Stay or Liam Mc Hale ever having any management role with the Mayo Senior team, particularly if the CB have an issue with Mc Hale.
Didn't James Horan write with the Western prior to getting the gig?
I asked a player this time last year on his thoughts about the potential for McStay being next in line after Horan, he said he didn't want him then because he felt McStay was too critical of Mayo on the Sunday Game regularly. Thought he shouldn't have been so critical seeing as he was from Mayo.
Make of that what you will.
Were players always this thin-skinned?
What players is it i wonder, ones that could be axed under McStay & McHale.
I don't know any of the players only Andy and i have never spoke to him about anything worthwhile typing in here, so all i can go on is whats up for grabs on public view.
Andy was asked on radio would the players be having any input into the next appointment, his answer was , '' if the cb want to include a players perspective thats fine but other than that '' AOS was asked by newstalk the same question , he answered similarly but was a bit more reluctant , i can't remember his exact response. Alan Dillon was also asked by one of the papers down home i think and his response was a bit more strong in that he said , that he didnt think they should be involved in the process at all.
This continuity v radical is very interesting and it has made me rethink if im honest. Who in gods name wants to continue to not win Sam? I find this language rather amusing but it is also a case of not knowing McStays radical changes , so its hard to judge. Change is needed though , we don't have to change any of the good work Horan has done but we have to change our approach to our actual gameplan if we are going to get to the next level of actually winning all Irelands.We can keep winning Connacht titles till the cows come home as its not hard to do at present and our present is good enough to achieve that.
All that said and done, its hard to see Connelly & Holmes not being our next management. I don't envy them, some pressure now.
It might be the case that all things being equal, Connelly & Holmes ARE the best choice, but this is a bad start and anyone with an agenda will be waiting in the wings to bring up the appointment process if they don't hit the ground running.
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2014, 10:27:14 AM
Quote"Apparently, some players and members of James Horan's managerial structure had a problem with some of the comments he(McHale) made over a period of time in a local newspaper. God love them if their sensitivities were a little bruised," he added.
Pot Kettle Black.
There had to be a reason behind the swiftness of the decision. At least he has come out now and repaired some of his leak's. Fair play to him but his media skills came into play by leaving this revelation for one of his own commercial paper employers, the hearld, rather than spitting it out in the Mayo news interview. Instead he tried to keep coy about the matter.
I'm not here to defend the CB or anything like that but KMcS hasn't exactly covered himself in plaudits by consistently stating he is working for the good of Mayo football yet on the other hand playing the local and national media game for what can only be said is his own benefit. He is trying to have his cake and eat it.
Ultimately the players and DBuckley appeared to have a say which has to be a good thing (almost every Mayo poster wanted DB to be kept for some continuity), the CB are damed if they do and damed if they don't. The players must always come first. If this is the cartel that one poster has alleged then the players and some of the previous management are in it!
It is unfortunate that the CB weren't as quick to get behind the players and previous management for the Limerick fixture as they were to act in this appointment.
Also it is obvious some communication and internal CB team building issues need to be resolved but that doesn't really concern or affect the team.
It has to be said that KMcS did drip feed the media and it is causing undue hyperbole. This benefits no one. He could have said what he said in the indo article straight up, perhaps he did and the Mayo news held back? Obviously feels bitter about what had happened but this is now getting childish. The proof of this is that the children over on the WJ site are gone haywire altogether.
It's time to move on now and get behind the new management. It's a f**king disgrace what some posters have said here already basing everything on hearsay and in particular judging the new management before a ball is even kicked.
Just have a look at the comment beneath the indo article, it's becoming laughable outside the county now.
I was criticized yesterday for my rational take on this matter where I was basing only my analysis on the facts presented and these facts were and can only be on what KMS had to say, or as it turned out yesterday half say, in the Mayo news. I don't live at home so I don't hear the rumors or hearsay and even if I did I wouldn't take heed of them.
Also I'm glad, as one poster has said, that Noel Connelly's brother stepped aside during this process. That was the obvious intelligent and honorable thing to do.
One final word on this, if Liam McHale had long term ambitions over been involved with this current crop of great players then slating them publicly wasn't a very intelligent move.
We have two intelligent lads in charge who just want to do the best for the county. Time to get behind them.
This idea of "move on" is real Bertie Ahern kinda stuff, "I've been lying like f*ck but it's time to get on with running the country now so don't be bothering me"
There was a system agreed for appointing the manager and it wasn't followed. Not necessarily Connelly and Holmes fault but it can't just be brushed under the carpet
It seems that whatever McHale said about the players was the deciding factor in the county board fast tracking Holmes and Connelly into the job. What did McHale say about the players that upset them?
Darragh O'Sé said in today's Irish Times that he didn't give Kerry a hope of winning the All-Ireland at the start of the year and also admitted he had criticised Anthony Maher a good bit.
Does that preclude him from ever working with this group of players?
First class team
Second class citizens
No class County board
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 04, 2014, 09:10:55 PM
Rule No. 1 and the only rule for an appointment as Mayo Manager......you must be a die-hard blue-shirt. No non Fine Gael heads need apply.........not sure what political colour McStay is, nor do I care, but if he's not a lover of our esteemed leader Enda he might as well forget about the job straight away.
That said, N.C has a mighty track record, sure didn't he put a fine roof on the shed in McHale Park.........
My own opinion is that there should be no going back to the past and McStay should be given a crack at it..........down the line I see one Andy Moran as our next manager in waiting!!!!!!!
My prediction of September 4th holds true. Not surprised in the least. Not only does the County Board need to go, but Connelly and Holmes need to withdraw as well. They were complicate in all that was going on and are just as guilty as the chairman. Shame on them as well...........
Highorlow this process (if that is the word) has been shambolic. That is no reflection on Noel or Pat, but you simply must have a fair and transparent process.
Kevin is now talking like a man who no longer believes he will ever get the job, which doesn't help either.
The family connection between the board and the new management should have caused people to think that, as an absolute priority, everything needed to be done properly. To clean up this mess we will need a dreaded investigation, with the results being made public. That would be painful but necessary.
I suspect most people will go to ground and hope that the off-season will see people forget about it. It probably won't work out like that.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2014, 02:46:23 PM
Darragh O'Sé said in today's Irish Times that he didn't give Kerry a hope of winning the All-Ireland at the start of the year and also admitted he had criticised Anthony Maher a good bit.
Does that preclude him from ever working with this group of players?
it depends a lot on the manner it was said ,' If was done in a ' 'Look at Me' Joe brolly sort of a way or a personalized attack then yes he would probably been percluded . but if it was Clear that it was being said for the betterment of Kerry then no .
Machale if anything can be too fair on the radio a you'd hardly know he was from Mayo , but he is, and one with his eye one the managers job and all his utterances are coloured by it
Quote from: muppet on September 24, 2014, 03:27:06 PM
Highorlow this process (if that is the word) has been shambolic. That is no reflection on Noel or Pat, but you simply must have a fair and transparent process.
Kevin is now talking like a man who no longer believes he will ever get the job, which doesn't help either.
The family connection between the board and the new management should have caused people to think that, as an absolute priority, everything needed to be done properly. To clean up this mess we will need a dreaded investigation, with the results being made public. That would be painful but necessary.
I suspect most people will go to ground and hope that the off-season will see people forget about it. It probably won't work out like that.
hopefully either way itll be long forgotten about by
september June,
May not bode well for our FBD campaign though . this could be roscommons year
Most of McHale's stuff that I've heard or read have been relatively mild, he's certainly not some sort of Rhubarb Joe Broly or Pat Spillane. I do wonder in 20 years time how many of the current Mayo panel will have a writing, radio or tv gig where they'll have committed the exact same egregious sins as McHale.
It's far beneath the best Mayo team for over half a century become embroiled in something so petty. My God if this isn't an unholy mess. You'd almost feel sorry for Holmes and Connelly.
I for one don't feel sorry for Connelly and Holmes, they are up to their eyes in this mess. You would think that they were naive innocent little boys, the way some people are talking. Out Out Out.......
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 24, 2014, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 04, 2014, 09:10:55 PM
Rule No. 1 and the only rule for an appointment as Mayo Manager......you must be a die-hard blue-shirt. No non Fine Gael heads need apply.........not sure what political colour McStay is, nor do I care, but if he's not a lover of our esteemed leader Enda he might as well forget about the job straight away.
That said, N.C has a mighty track record, sure didn't he put a fine roof on the shed in McHale Park.........
My own opinion is that there should be no going back to the past and McStay should be given a crack at it..........down the line I see one Andy Moran as our next manager in waiting!!!!!!!
My prediction of September 4th holds true. Not surprised in the least. Not only does the County Board need to go, but Connelly and Holmes need to withdraw as well. They were complicate in all that was going on and are just as guilty as the chairman. Shame on them as well...........
Have you any basis for that or it just assumption? Shame on you if that's the case.....
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
. My God if this isn't an unholy mess. You'd almost feel sorry for Holmes and Connelly.
Syfín you bloody Rhubarb lover >:(
Let's enjoy it while it lasts and hopfully get the hundred pages in the process ;)
Quote from: saffronandblue on September 24, 2014, 03:36:14 PM
I for one don't feel sorry for Connelly and Holmes, they are up to their eyes in this mess. You would think that they were naive innocent little boys, the way some people are talking. Out Out Out.......
Sure whatever anyone says having your brother as the VC of the county board is a ridiculous situation, it's almost impossible for impartiality to exsist in that situation even if he had locked himself in a fridge for the whole process. Holmes ruling himself out of the manager's job weeks ago hints at the fact these two may have got word that a joint bid was close to a sure thing, they aren't innocent but now they have a county that's half out for their blood before they've even slipped on a bib.
Can anybody tell me what/how/why Pat Holmes changed his mind? He dismissed himself out of the running only a fortnight ago. I cannot understand how he is brought in. Fair enough he got the Mitchels to an All-Ireland, but Eoghan O'Reilly's confidence is shattered as a cause of it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 04:06:10 PM
Can anybody tell me what/how/why Pat Holmes changed his mind? He dismissed himself out of the running only a fortnight ago. I cannot understand how he is brought in. Fair enough he got the Mitchels to an All-Ireland, but Eoghan O'Reilly's confidence is shattered as a cause of it.
You have to imagine he was already exploring the idea of joining up with Connelly before he ruled himself out, probably much, much longer - after Mitchels' good season if he hadn't his eyes on another job you'd be surprised if he stepped down. I saw that move as clearing the path for a return to senior management.
The two were rumoured to be in the running for our job back in 2012 so they certainly have demonstrated an interest in senior management as a team.
Any Hitler video done on this fiasco yet?
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 04:06:10 PM
Can anybody tell me what/how/why Pat Holmes changed his mind? He dismissed himself out of the running only a fortnight ago. I cannot understand how he is brought in. Fair enough he got the Mitchels to an All-Ireland, but Eoghan O'Reilly's confidence is shattered as a cause of it.
Yo have to imagine he was already exploring the idea of joining up with Connelly before he ruled himself out, probably much, much longer - after Mitchels' good season if he hadn't his eyes on another job you'd be surprised if he stepped down. I saw that move as clearing the path for a return to senior management.
The two were rumoured to be in the running for our job back in 2012 so they certainly have demonstrated an interest in senior management as a team.
Pity they didn't get the Roscommon gig. Have saved a lot of trouble ;D
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 24, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 04:06:10 PM
Can anybody tell me what/how/why Pat Holmes changed his mind? He dismissed himself out of the running only a fortnight ago. I cannot understand how he is brought in. Fair enough he got the Mitchels to an All-Ireland, but Eoghan O'Reilly's confidence is shattered as a cause of it.
Yo have to imagine he was already exploring the idea of joining up with Connelly before he ruled himself out, probably much, much longer - after Mitchels' good season if he hadn't his eyes on another job you'd be surprised if he stepped down. I saw that move as clearing the path for a return to senior management.
The two were rumoured to be in the running for our job back in 2012 so they certainly have demonstrated an interest in senior management as a team.
Pity they didn't get the Roscommon gig. Have saved a lot of trouble ;D
Can anyone tell me why pat Holmes is involved at all? He had his chance and he blew it not just with mayo but with castlebar in this years club final.we turned down mc stay who had proven he can get a team over the line you couldn't make this shite up
I think I can clear up some of the confusion about Liam McHale.
The first thing you have to remember about Liam McHale is that he's from Ballina. Not only does that make him a f**king townie, it makes him the towniest f**king townie there is, All townies are hateful, but there's something about Ballina that is especially sickening to right-thinking men.
The second thing about McHale is that not only did he play basketball, he made no secret of it. And you know what that means, don't you? It means he thinks he's f**king better than us, the ****. And not only that, he's on Newstalk every minute of the f**king day, telling us how great he is and what useless c***ts we are.
Useless c***ts we might be, but we're not letting that **** rub it in. He can f**k off to f**k. Mayo could win five-in-a-row but the thought of them being tainted by that tanned, townie, basketballing, radio-talking f**king **** would take all the good out of it.
And that, friends, is why a lot of people in Mayo have a problem with Liam McHale.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on September 24, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
I think I can clear up some of the confusion about Liam McHale.
The first thing you have to remember about Liam McHale is that he's from Ballina. Not only does that make him a f**king townie, it makes him the towniest f**king townie there is, All townies are hateful, but there's something about Ballina that is especially sickening to right-thinking men.
The second thing about McHale is that not only did he play basketball, he made no secret of it. And you know what that means, don't you? It means he thinks he's f**king better than us, the ****. And not only that, he's on Newstalk every minute of the f**king day, telling us how great he is and what useless c***ts we are.
Useless c***ts we might be, but we're not letting that **** rub it in. He can f**k off to f**k. Mayo could win five-in-a-row but the thought of them being tainted by that tanned, townie, basketballing, radio-talking f**king **** would take all the good out of it.
And that, friends, is why a lot of people in Mayo have a problem with Liam McHale.
lol. Although tongue n cheek, there could be an element of truth in what youre saying too. It seems to be a thing with Ballina and the county board , no league game for Ballina in recent years seems to be an issue too.
If JOD from Kerry was from Ballina , he would never make the Mayo squad, he's a right townie with a townie personality too.lol
That's it Iolar in a nutshell unfortunately. McHale has served Mayo football more than any of us on here have I bet. OK, I don't agree 100% with everything he says, but I don't agree 100% with many people on GAA related matters.
Alot of extreme stuff written about McHale. I have to say as a Basketball player, a Intercounty footballer and as a club footballer he represented his county and his home town impeccably. The problem I would have with McHale is he is to much public a figure. He seems to attract the limelight and often has to much to say. There is no intended badness in Liam, just there are times when you need to say virtually nothing. Horan repelled the public with distinction. We were left less open to the more of the usual ridicule we left ourselves open for in the past. I look at the top managers in the game at the moment. Fitzmaurice, Galvin, McGuinness and Horan. All don't seem like the types of blokes that are the life of the party or would be your best friend. This is the problem i'd have with McStay/McHale and also with Connelly/Holmes. They seem just too nice! Anyway that us Mayo people.........too nice!
Anytime I've listened to McHale on the radio he has come across as a guy who thinks a lot about the game and coaching, and has no interest in soundbites or making a name for himself.
I've asked the question already, exactly what did he say that has upset the players so much that they would object to his involvement?
Since nobody has answered this I'm guessing there isn't a whole lot of weight behind the claim.
Or, is it possibly the case that the county board are putting it about that the players wouldn't be happy with him in order to justify their decision?
The appointment of club and county managers is some mess.
The Mayo job is another example in a long history of making a balls of things.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 24, 2014, 08:35:12 PM
Horan repelled the public with distinction.
Never got that impression when I spoke to people from outside Mayo, especially Dublin people felt he had a lot to say...too much in fact.
Spot on Iolar above, that's the crux of it.
I think a bit of both Jinxy,players and board, for the reasons as outlined by Iolar.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
Anytime I've listened to McHale on the radio he has come across as a guy who thinks a lot about the game and coaching, and has no interest in soundbites or making a name for himself.
I've asked the question already, exactly what did he say that has upset the players so much that they would object to his involvement?
Since nobody has answered this I'm guessing there isn't a whole lot of weight behind the claim.
Or, is it possibly the case that the county board are putting it about that the players wouldn't be happy with him in order to justify their decision?
I don't remember anything majorly controversial or else I've forgotten it if I did. Some people have long memories though especially with an axe to grind.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 24, 2014, 08:42:54 PM
Anytime I've listened to McHale on the radio he has come across as a guy who thinks a lot about the game and coaching, and has no interest in soundbites or making a name for himself.
I've asked the question already, exactly what did he say that has upset the players so much that they would object to his involvement?
Since nobody has answered this I'm guessing there isn't a whole lot of weight behind the claim.
Or, is it possibly the case that the county board are putting it about that the players wouldn't be happy with him in order to justify their decision?
I suspect it's the latter because I would have read all his columns and can t remember anything ott.
It s a shame that the players were dragged into this as well. Makes them look precious when they are anything but. It also seems like Holmes and Connelly were given the gig because McHale wasn t wanted rather than having a strong case of their own. Hardly a glowing recommendation for the chosen ones :(
If McNicolas falls on his sword tomorrow night what becomes of Pat and Noel? Can the chairman resign over the manner of their selection and yet they are appointed by the board? A lot of people I ve spoken to don t think so and think the process needs to start again or there will always be 'rumblings'. Supposing (and I expect this to happen), that some delegates demand a fresh process? What happens then? They can be shouted down or beaten in a vote but however this pans out now it is a dreadful restart for everybody. Board, management, players and fans.
Jinxy, he wrote a newspaper article at some stage giving out about the previous management and team. I tried to find it online but can't. I vaguely remember it though and it caused a bit of a stir. I think it was in a local paper.
In hindsight, for him obviously, this wasn't the smartest move. That's basketball playing townies for ya.
p.s. It possibly was around the same time as the JMcG v Cassidy incident so player fragility was the order of the day.
Don t remember that. Can anybody find it?
The only exception I took to his writing was a few months ago when he appeared to be taking teams like Ros and Galway too lightly. Basically he was saying Mayo were much too good to contemplate losing to these teams.
If anything he seemed to rate this team very highly.
Didn't mc hale have a right go at Horan in the western the day after the all Ireland in 2012.I can't remember him ever being to critical of the players though.
Quote from: mayoman dan on September 24, 2014, 10:05:37 PM
Didn't mc hale have a right go at Horan in the western the day after the all Ireland in 2012.I can't remember him ever being to critical of the players though.
Can we find this anywhere?
Everybody was having a go.
Before his second coming, Johnno was critical of Mayo managers. Remember his ' I'd love to be preparing Mayo in the week of an AI final' or something like that when Mickey Moran was ritually pissed on in late September '06. Didn t prevent him being appointed to help return us to the stone age.
Now Johnno is 'advising' Carlow ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Who thought this was a good idea? ???
At least he ll be able to advise them how not to lose to Longford in Leinster. Oh wait.....
Must say the latest shenanigans is an echo of the Johnno ordination in 06. Can t see anything good come from this either.
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
Quote from: highorlow on September 24, 2014, 11:15:21 AM
Moysider. I read McHale's comments in today's indo.
Can the pair not just let it go. It's done and dusted. They didn't get the gig. Move on like everyone else that doesn't get what they want.
I don't think it's that easy.
From what McStay said, his gripe is with the county board and the way he was arsed about and not with the two who got the job.
Given the rumours and counter-rumours flying about the place, we're going to have to wait until the CB delegates have their say tomorrow night. I imagine that the craic will be ninety and Paddy Mac will be lucky if he holds on to his job.
I feel sorry for Connelly/Holmes and for McStay/McHale also. The mess was not of their doing.
The only thing that anyone can be certain of is that the Hon Chairman overstepped his brief and took it on himself to shaft McStay and his big buddy and gift the job to the other pair.
I hope he has his answers ready when the fur starts flying tomorrow night.
It's best for all that the truth comes out.
Anyone else read Connellys comments re future plans? It's on the hoganstand site. Don't get the thought process releasing statements like that when the clusterfcuk is still to be resolved.
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
In fairness to Noel he gave Giles some slap and had 4 of them on him as a result...
http://youtu.be/MDnAIu13Bzs
I read Connelly's piece there now ballinaman. Bigger players for bigger positions. Ah well, that rules out Keith Ruttledge anyway.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 24, 2014, 11:25:57 PM
Anyone else read Connellys comments re future plans? It's on the hoganstand site. Don't get the thought process releasing statements like that when the clusterfcuk is still to be resolved.
Yeah.
The more I see of this the more it stinks. It s a complete stitch up. It s like a Scooby Doo episode. And they would have got away with it too except that Paddy Mac fucked up!
There is no way this appointment can go ahead. Highorlow can come on here and bat for whoever but it s all over.
Every year I spend a few bob on season tickets and county board tickets from a few clubs that are around. Not doing that if this is not resolved. And I wont be the only one. I ve yet to talk to anybody that thinks this is acceptable.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 11:41:00 PM
I read Connelly's piece there now ballinaman. Bigger players for bigger positions. Ah well, that rules out Keith Ruttledge anyway.
If that was the jist of his presentation to the county board last week which got the nod,Kevin Mc must have turned up with a blackboard and a biro to do his...
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 11:41:00 PM
I read Connelly's piece there now ballinaman. Bigger players for bigger positions. Ah well, that rules out Keith Ruttledge anyway.
'Bigger players for bigger positions'
I suppose he means a bigger man at 3 and 14. Hardly rocket science. Anybody saw how we left an AI behind us could come up with a bigger 3 suggestion.
The bigger 14 would have been Pateen's suggestion I suppose? Sure Barry Moran solves that.
Savage manifesto. Talk about winging it.
Jesus wept. Ye couldn t make this shit up. Embarrassing.
Quote from: ballinaman on September 24, 2014, 11:56:41 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 11:41:00 PM
I read Connelly's piece there now ballinaman. Bigger players for bigger positions. Ah well, that rules out Keith Ruttledge anyway.
If that was the jist of his presentation to the county board last week which got the nod,Kevin Mc must have turned up with a blackboard and a biro to do his...
Kevin Mc?
Fairly obvious now that Boylan, Heffernan, Paudí, Harte, Micko, all together, all alive and in their prime would not have been considered against the might of Holmes and Connelly.
Heard Kevin Mc presentation was quality and lasted a while. Maybe that s what pissed the big boys off. When the mind is made up and the deal is sealed you just don t want to sit around. Yawn!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 24, 2014, 11:41:00 PM
I read Connelly's piece there now ballinaman. Bigger players for bigger positions. Ah well, that rules out Keith Ruttledge anyway.
Makes AOS a shoe-in for making a hames of a CHB marking job. Niall Daly the early front-runner for Connacht PotY.
Can anyone tell me why pat Holmes is involved at all? He had his chance and he blew it not just with mayo but with castlebar in this years club final.we turned down mc stay who had proven he can get a team over the line you couldn't make this shite up
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That's very unfair re the club final....his very best player incurring an extremely harsh black card within a minute of the throw in.
Ye are losing the run of yourselves lads. Taking one line that Connelly reportedly said, and jumping to the conclusion that was the full extent of his presentation.
QuoteYe are losing the run of yourselves lads.
That happened 10 pages back.
Ye are like a bunch of wummin from ICA bootcamp with yer aul gossip. It's the worst kind of 2nd guessing and OTT reactionary behavior. I thought that there was a semblance of common sense among posters here but it's now becoming as reactionary as the WJ site and hogan stand.
On that note it's not worth posting anything up here anymore, so until next June good luck to everyone, even the whingers and begrudgers.
p.s. In the GAA the only people I've ever batted for are my teams, Club and County.
Maigh Eo Go Deo.
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
McHale threw a basketball at John McDermotts head.
He had to go.
Didn't he say in the Western this year after the Roscommon match that the team looked tired and similar to the team of '98?
Problem with that is 2 things.
1: You can't/shouldn't really compare 2 teams when one is still in the championship and the other was knocked out and of a different era.
2: It sorta was a public kick to the players even after they won.
Maybe players thought he should keep those opinions outta the news until after they knocked out of the competition.
Have you the link for Connelly's comments? Can't find on Hogan stand
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Ok -found it
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
We've disagreed on this one before moy and we're doing it again right now.
After the drawn game Liam went public ( think it was the Western) saying that Mayo weren't prepared for the rough tactics of the Meath men and Mayo would be ready fot them in the replay-or something like that.
There's every chance than McEnaney heard about this and when the big hoor ran in past him and started handbagging all around him, he probably took him at his word and that's why he red-carded Mac.
McEnaney cost us the game alright but it wasn't the sending off that did the damage.
The bustard allowed Geraghty to take a quick free that led to the second goal even though he told both teams before the game that he wouldn't allow quickies to be taken. The Mayo defence was taken completely by surprise but McEnaney allowed the goal to stand in spite of their objections.
I don't think McHale should take his sending off as a personal insult. He brought it on himself. God knows he wasn't a dirty player but he was a pretty innocent one.
He should have kept his gob shut after the first game and be prepared to stand his ground for the replay without broadcasting his intentions.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
We've disagreed on this one before moy and we're doing it again right now.
After the drawn game Liam went public ( think it was the Western) saying that Mayo weren't prepared for the rough tactics of the Meath men and Mayo would be ready fot them in the replay-or something like that.
There's every chance than McEnaney heard about this and when the big hoor ran in past him and started handbagging all around him, he probably took him at his word and that's why he red-carded Mac.
McEnaney cost us the game alright but it wasn't the sending off that did the damage.
The bustard allowed Geraghty to take a quick free that led to the second goal even though he told both teams before the game that he wouldn't allow quickies to be taken. The Mayo defence was taken completely by surprise but McEnaney allowed the goal to stand in spite of their objections.
I don't think McHale should take his sending off as a personal insult. He brought it on himself. God knows he wasn't a dirty player but he was a pretty innocent one.
He should have kept his gob shut after the first game and be prepared to stand his ground for the replay without broadcasting his intentions.
Ah here lads are you having me on or what??!!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
We've disagreed on this one before moy and we're doing it again right now.
After the drawn game Liam went public ( think it was the Western) saying that Mayo weren't prepared for the rough tactics of the Meath men and Mayo would be ready fot them in the replay-or something like that.
There's every chance than McEnaney heard about this and when the big hoor ran in past him and started handbagging all around him, he probably took him at his word and that's why he red-carded Mac.
McEnaney cost us the game alright but it wasn't the sending off that did the damage.
The bustard allowed Geraghty to take a quick free that led to the second goal even though he told both teams before the game that he wouldn't allow quickies to be taken. The Mayo defence was taken completely by surprise but McEnaney allowed the goal to stand in spite of their objections.
I don't think McHale should take his sending off as a personal insult. He brought it on himself. God knows he wasn't a dirty player but he was a pretty innocent one.
He should have kept his gob shut after the first game and be prepared to stand his ground for the replay without broadcasting his intentions.
And this awful crime should blacken his reputation for all time? what a load of shite. At least he stood his ground unlike many mayo men in all ireland finals many times.. If this is some sort of reasoning to pick holes in McHale it's pretty pathetic
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Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2014, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 24, 2014, 11:29:50 PM
Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
We've disagreed on this one before moy and we're doing it again right now.
After the drawn game Liam went public ( think it was the Western) saying that Mayo weren't prepared for the rough tactics of the Meath men and Mayo would be ready fot them in the replay-or something like that.
There's every chance than McEnaney heard about this and when the big hoor ran in past him and started handbagging all around him, he probably took him at his word and that's why he red-carded Mac.
McEnaney cost us the game alright but it wasn't the sending off that did the damage.
The bustard allowed Geraghty to take a quick free that led to the second goal even though he told both teams before the game that he wouldn't allow quickies to be taken. The Mayo defence was taken completely by surprise but McEnaney allowed the goal to stand in spite of their objections.
I don't think McHale should take his sending off as a personal insult. He brought it on himself. God knows he wasn't a dirty player but he was a pretty innocent one.
He should have kept his gob shut after the first game and be prepared to stand his ground for the replay without broadcasting his intentions.
Ah here lads are you having me on or what??!!
It's resentment and bitterness that sustains us through these hard times :'(
That old John Donnellan quip would fit Mayo here: "If it was raining soup, ye'd be out with a fork". I'd say in the history of the GAA most manager positions were filled a bit like this. The problem is the volunteers in charge don't have the skills to deal with the modern world and the pace of how news spreads, and how quickly things can blow up. If back in the 70s or 80s an appointment was filled like this, the only news that would have got out would have been that they interviewed Connelly and Holmes and McStay and McHale and the first two lads got it. No one would have been any the wiser that they'd picked their man before McStay and McHale even interviewed. And even if they did, at most it would have only made the rounds of a few pubs before someone started moaning about something else... the weather, the price of cattle or the three soft All-Irelands Galway won back in the 60s. Did I mention John Donnellan.
There's obviously a lot of anger and annoyance on these pages at the direction this issue took after Horan stepped down.. As an outsider looking in and trying to wade through the various opinions, can someone answer this for me?...Is the widespread annoyance because of the ''process'' that saw Connelly/ Holmes appointed, or is it specifically because Connelly/ Holmes got the job at all??
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 01:20:27 PM
There's obviously a lot of anger and annoyance on these pages at the direction this issue took after Horan stepped down.. As an outsider looking in and trying to wade through the various opinions, can someone answer this for me?...Is the widespread annoyance because of the ''process'' that saw Connelly/ Holmes appointed, or is it specifically because Connelly/ Holmes got the job at all??
Process for me.
No one really knows all reasons McStay didn't get the job. Too radical, had to have Liam McHale which some players may not have responded well to, too much of a public media figure...list is endless.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 25, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 01:20:27 PM
There's obviously a lot of anger and annoyance on these pages at the direction this issue took after Horan stepped down.. As an outsider looking in and trying to wade through the various opinions, can someone answer this for me?...Is the widespread annoyance because of the ''process'' that saw Connelly/ Holmes appointed, or is it specifically because Connelly/ Holmes got the job at all??
Process for me.
No one really knows all reasons McStay didn't get the job. Too radical, had to have Liam McHale which some players may not have responded well to, too much of a public media figure...list is endless.
Completely process for me - just so amateurish and sloppy.
I'm still unsure which pairing I'd prefer, but I was probably leaning towards Connelly and Holmes. The reason I wouldn't be too keen on McStay & McHale is almost entirely because of McHale. I don't trust him to keep his mouth shut, he seems to have poor judgement about when to speak and what he should say.
That was reinforced when he was on Newstalk on Monday evening saying he would never be involved in Mayo football again.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
Quote from: Bensars on September 25, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
It's seeming that way. "We lost an All Ireland because McEneaney told us there were to be no quick frees and then he allowed one" bit is staggering really
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I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
We've disagreed on this one before moy and we're doing it again right now.
After the drawn game Liam went public ( think it was the Western) saying that Mayo weren't prepared for the rough tactics of the Meath men and Mayo would be ready fot them in the replay-or something like that.
There's every chance than McEnaney heard about this and when the big hoor ran in past him and started handbagging all around him, he probably took him at his word and that's why he red-carded Mac.
McEnaney cost us the game alright but it wasn't the sending off that did the damage.
The bustard allowed Geraghty to take a quick free that led to the second goal even though he told both teams before the game that he wouldn't allow quickies to be taken. The Mayo defence was taken completely by surprise but McEnaney allowed the goal to stand in spite of their objections.
I don't think McHale should take his sending off as a personal insult. He brought it on himself. God knows he wasn't a dirty player but he was a pretty innocent one.
He should have kept his gob shut after the first game and be prepared to stand his ground for the replay without broadcasting his intentions.
And this awful crime should blacken his reputation for all time? what a load of shite. At least he stood his ground unlike many mayo men in all ireland finals many times.. If this is some sort of reasoning to pick holes in McHale it's pretty pathetic
Come off it Horse, that's a straw man fallacy if I ever heard of one! ;D
I was talking about a particular incident, no more and no less.
He mouthed after that drawn game that things were going to be different in the replay. When the craic started, he was not directly involved. He was out about midfield at the time.
However, he ran in and stood right alongside McEnaney for a second or two to take stock
and then ran in and started flailing all around him.
He "didn't stand his ground" either. He ran 60 yards or so to get involved. I think any sending off was harsh as it was only a case of players letting off steam. If it happened later in the game when everyone has settled down, it would have been a different matter.
The ref decided to send off a player from each side to get the game under control again and it was hard luck on Mayo that he was the one to get the red card. But he can't complain about it as the ref wasn't under any obligation to do a match up when he sent Coyle off along with him.
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Quote from: maigheo on September 24, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
I do remember McHale ripping into James Horan after the 2012 all ireland and thinking at the time that McHale was a bo--ix and was way out of line,but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was .Pretty sure it was in the Western.McHale was one of my favorite players and I remember meeting an old timer at the final training session before the 96 all ireland and him telling me that McHale should not be on the team as he was only a basketballer.Of course Mchale was man of the match the following Sunday :) :).
The old timer mentality still prevails.
But sure he was right. We didn t win. And he was def. right the next day when Lord Liam was sent him off for no reason. Pateen and Noel didn't get sent off. No reason to. Mind you there was no reason to send off any Mayo player that day.
We've disagreed on this one before moy and we're doing it again right now.
After the drawn game Liam went public ( think it was the Western) saying that Mayo weren't prepared for the rough tactics of the Meath men and Mayo would be ready fot them in the replay-or something like that.
There's every chance than McEnaney heard about this and when the big hoor ran in past him and started handbagging all around him, he probably took him at his word and that's why he red-carded Mac.
McEnaney cost us the game alright but it wasn't the sending off that did the damage.
The bustard allowed Geraghty to take a quick free that led to the second goal even though he told both teams before the game that he wouldn't allow quickies to be taken. The Mayo defence was taken completely by surprise but McEnaney allowed the goal to stand in spite of their objections.
I don't think McHale should take his sending off as a personal insult. He brought it on himself. God knows he wasn't a dirty player but he was a pretty innocent one.
He should have kept his gob shut after the first game and be prepared to stand his ground for the replay without broadcasting his intentions.
Ah here lads are you having me on or what??!!
Well, that's what some Mayo players had to say afterwards.
I watched the video and it was plain to see that Geraghty took the free quickly while the Mayo defenders were still only getting into position. Some of them had their backs turned to him.
Then when the goal was allowed the Mayo lads ganged up on McEnaney to protest but he just waved his arms dismissively and walked away from them.
You can make what you like of that but I know what I think.
Quote from: Bensars on September 25, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
There is a good chance some do Bensars but it isn't a uniquely Mayo trait but an Irish trait but that's for a different thread.
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2014, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 25, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
It's seeming that way. "We lost an All Ireland because McEneaney told us there were to be no quick frees and then he allowed one" bit is staggering really
I certainly don't think this and 99% of the Mayo gaa people I know wouldn't say this. McEneaney did instruct both teams( well I assume he told Meath as well) that he wouldn't be allowing any quick frees but he allowed that free by Geraghty although this happens in every game we were just unlucky that it happened at a crucial time!! It definitely didn't cost us the All Ireland as if you ask most Mayo Gaa folk they will point to the fact that we were 6 points up in the drawn game and couldn't close out the game with our sideline slow to stem the Meath momentum ( any of this sound familiar :'().
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 01:20:27 PM
There's obviously a lot of anger and annoyance on these pages at the direction this issue took after Horan stepped down.. As an outsider looking in and trying to wade through the various opinions, can someone answer this for me?...Is the widespread annoyance because of the ''process'' that saw Connelly/ Holmes appointed, or is it specifically because Connelly/ Holmes got the job at all??
It's the process for me Shrewdness. Why not let McStay/McHale interview even if the executive were leaning on the side Connelly/Holmes? They could have had their doubts about McStay/McHale confirmed and see through a process that had been agreed by the County Board and the appointment committee!!
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2014, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 25, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
It's seeming that way. "We lost an All Ireland because McEneaney told us there were to be no quick frees and then he allowed one" bit is staggering really
I certainly don't think this and 99% of the Mayo gaa people I know wouldn't say this. McEneaney did instruct both teams( well I assume he told Meath as well) that he wouldn't be allowing any quick frees but he allowed that free by Geraghty although this happens in every game we were just unlucky that it happened at a crucial time!! It definitely didn't cost us the All Ireland as if you ask most Mayo Gaa folk they will point to the fact that we were 6 points up in the drawn game and couldn't close out the game with our sideline slow to stem the Meath momentum ( any of this sound familiar :'().
I find it unbelievable that a referee would come out and say "I'm not allowing quick frees today lads" to my knowledge only 14m frees are not allowed to be taken quickly. Was it the rule back then that there were to be no quick frees? I was playing underage back then and certainly don't remember that being a thing!
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2014, 02:41:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2014, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 25, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
It's seeming that way. "We lost an All Ireland because McEneaney told us there were to be no quick frees and then he allowed one" bit is staggering really
I certainly don't think this and 99% of the Mayo gaa people I know wouldn't say this. McEneaney did instruct both teams( well I assume he told Meath as well) that he wouldn't be allowing any quick frees but he allowed that free by Geraghty although this happens in every game we were just unlucky that it happened at a crucial time!! It definitely didn't cost us the All Ireland as if you ask most Mayo Gaa folk they will point to the fact that we were 6 points up in the drawn game and couldn't close out the game with our sideline slow to stem the Meath momentum ( any of this sound familiar :'().
I find it unbelievable that a referee would come out and say "I'm not allowing quick frees today lads" to my knowledge only 14m frees are not allowed to be taken quickly. Was it the rule back then that there were to be no quick frees? I was playing underage back then and certainly don't remember that being a thing!
I was playing underage same as yourself Screen and I never came across this paticular directive but yes he definitely said it to the Mayo players ( he had to have said it to Meath also) when outlining before the games what he was going to pay paticular attention to. He probably did mean to be strong on this but just missed one quick free which turned out to be crucial. This could have happened anywhere else on the pitch and it wouldn't have lead to a goal but those are just the breaks in a game , sometimes the go your way and sometimes they don't!!
So this is all Pat McAneany's fault...
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Quote from: Nihilist on September 25, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 01:20:27 PM
There's obviously a lot of anger and annoyance on these pages at the direction this issue took after Horan stepped down.. As an outsider looking in and trying to wade through the various opinions, can someone answer this for me?...Is the widespread annoyance because of the ''process'' that saw Connelly/ Holmes appointed, or is it specifically because Connelly/ Holmes got the job at all??
Process for me.
No one really knows all reasons McStay didn't get the job. Too radical, had to have Liam McHale which some players may not have responded well to, too much of a public media figure...list is endless.
Completely process for me - just so amateurish and sloppy.
I'm still unsure which pairing I'd prefer, but I was probably leaning towards Connelly and Holmes. The reason I wouldn't be too keen on McStay & McHale is almost entirely because of McHale. I don't trust him to keep his mouth shut, he seems to have poor judgement about when to speak and what he should say.
That was reinforced when he was on Newstalk on Monday evening saying he would never be involved in Mayo football again.
100% the process
I wouldn't have a problem with either management team
Quote from: Jinxy on September 25, 2014, 03:15:06 PM
So this is all Pat McAneany's fault...
No it's Sean Boylan and John McDermott's fault for smugling onto the pitch the basketball ( surely this broke the foreign games Croke park rule!!) which McHale then threw at Mcdermott's block head resulting in Pat sending him off. This resulted in Maughan having to come back and manage us a second time to try and land Sam , dropping David Brady for the 2004 final which in turn caused the controversy that launched DB's media career!!! .
Also the scars of 96 led to Horan trying to bridge the gap that a celtic cross would have filled by managing Mayo who rolled over for Donegal in 2012 and the era of the puke football final was born!!!!! Horan's failure forced our normally honest , upright , composed , shrewd , intelligent and business like board into a couple of rash decisions that has undone all the great work done by these men in keeping Mayo football alive [see the McHale Park stand ( who needs the f**king the Nou Camp!!) for the monument to such trojan work!!] to be banished forever dragging down a management team (akin to having both Eamon Fitzmaurice and Jim the Messiah on the sideline) down with them!!!!
Not to mention they passed over our own Mickey Hart aka Kevin "fools cap notepad and chew me pen" McStay as well!!!!
Time for Meath to apologise to the GAA as a whole , disband as a county and take up cricket. It is the Manly thing to do from the county that gifted us manliness!!!
Wheels within wheels.
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2014, 02:41:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: screenexile on September 25, 2014, 01:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bensars on September 25, 2014, 01:43:36 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
CB meeting tonight, any idea what's on the agenda??
This thread could easily hit 100 pages!!
Easily, especially when the annual persecution complex raises it head. Post mortem beyond post mortem.
I actually think some of you Mayo buckos get off on playing the victim.
It's seeming that way. "We lost an All Ireland because McEneaney told us there were to be no quick frees and then he allowed one" bit is staggering really
I certainly don't think this and 99% of the Mayo gaa people I know wouldn't say this. McEneaney did instruct both teams( well I assume he told Meath as well) that he wouldn't be allowing any quick frees but he allowed that free by Geraghty although this happens in every game we were just unlucky that it happened at a crucial time!! It definitely didn't cost us the All Ireland as if you ask most Mayo Gaa folk they will point to the fact that we were 6 points up in the drawn game and couldn't close out the game with our sideline slow to stem the Meath momentum ( any of this sound familiar :'().
I find it unbelievable that a referee would come out and say "I'm not allowing quick frees today lads" to my knowledge only 14m frees are not allowed to be taken quickly. Was it the rule back then that there were to be no quick frees? I was playing underage back then and certainly don't remember that being a thing!
Well, some Mayo players said he visited both dressing rooms before the game to talk to the players and told them what to expect from him during the game. I think he was explaining his interpretation of some of the rules. Mayo players were definite that he stressed that he would not allow frees to be taken quickly.
Go check it out for yourself.
It's about the 6.25 mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_-1UbzAUQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_-1UbzAUQ)
Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes's personal popularity is clouding this issue for some people.
I don't know who's advising them, if anyone, but Connelly and Holmes should step down now and reapply under a new process. Chances are they'll get the job anyway, but by going through the motions everything will be seen to be above board.
If they don't, their entire regime will be under a cloud if Mayo don't win an All-Ireland under their management. Whatever happens - even if the ball is burst by lightning as it's about to go over the bar in the 70th minute of the final - there will be people who will say Connelly and Holmes never would have got the job in the first place if there hadn't been funny business going on.
They ought to do themselves a favour. Step aside now, and reapply when the new process is announced.
This is presuming there will be a new process, of course. There's huffing and puffing going on but my guess is that a big, fat nothing will happen tonight. Sure we're talking about not buying tickets but come next year, how can we stay at home when the team is playing? That loyalty is what makes us and breaks us.
I hope some people see some sense tonight. I'm not optimistic though.
Lads on about Pat Holmes blowing his chance before and f**king up in the club final. Was Liam McHale not Maughans right hand man in his second coming. Where was all his radical thinking that year.
In saying that I think both himself and McStay have shown the last couple of days why the county board were never goin to appoint them. To much to say in the press. Ya can't be criticising them boys in the press. This was the chance to take the power back after the Horan era and two mouthy townies weren't going to f**k that up
According to Michael Gallagher, Paddy McNicholas has got a round of applause after his speech! He ain't going anywhere soon it seems.
Not telling anyone what was in McStay's package either, but 'anyone in their right mind' wouldn't have accepted it according to Paddy Mc.
You have to laugh at McHale! He gets rebuffed and instead of keeping stum and calling it a bad debt he runs to the Press. Well he probably did not run to them. But he did not turn them away. He could learn a lot from Feeney and Freeman. In old regimes in which McHale was party to, their stories would be novels at this stage. The rule with GAA is that you cannot always say what you think or know to be the truth. You have to know when to talk and when to just say nothing. This was the week for McHale to say nothing. Stand back let it play out and then maybe comment. Instead he has been rash and lost all.
Mc Hale is still part of the management team with St. Brigid's and has a Co Semi Final next weekend. This is his third year there. When himself and Mc Stay won the All Ireland that year with Brigid's, i don't really recall either one of them being mouthy with the press. Everything was low key with no remarkable ''media moments'' that i can recall.
Can't keep a Mayo man out of the press.
Thats it all over now, Connelly and holmes are sworn in too. Paddy mc gets his applause and delegates move on to club matters. Up Mayo
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Mc Hale is still part of the management team with St. Brigid's and has a Co Semi Final next weekend. This is his third year there. When himself and Mc Stay won the All Ireland that year with Brigid's, i don't really recall either one of them being mouthy with the press. Everything was low key with no remarkable ''media moments'' that i can recall.
Suits some people now to try and deflect the blame onto McHale and McStay. Not them that made a hames of the process.
Paddy McNicholas may well tough this out but he is doing the county a grave disservice.
The quote from him above if reported correctly is extremely disrespectful. Too carefree with procedures and the English language for anybody's good.
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2014, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Mc Hale is still part of the management team with St. Brigid's and has a Co Semi Final next weekend. This is his third year there. When himself and Mc Stay won the All Ireland that year with Brigid's, i don't really recall either one of them being mouthy with the press. Everything was low key with no remarkable ''media moments'' that i can recall.
Suits some people now to try and deflect the blame onto McHale and McStay. Not them that made a hames of the process.
Paddy McNicholas may well tough this out but he is doing the county a grave disservice.
The quote from him above if reported correctly is extremely disrespectful. Too carefree with procedures and the English language for anybody's good.
Is that a direct quote that you are attributing to McNicholas from tonight ?
All hail our glorious chairman. A fitting round of applause for him and his handling of this appointment.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 25, 2014, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2014, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Mc Hale is still part of the management team with St. Brigid's and has a Co Semi Final next weekend. This is his third year there. When himself and Mc Stay won the All Ireland that year with Brigid's, i don't really recall either one of them being mouthy with the press. Everything was low key with no remarkable ''media moments'' that i can recall.
Suits some people now to try and deflect the blame onto McHale and McStay. Not them that made a hames of the process.
Paddy McNicholas may well tough this out but he is doing the county a grave disservice.
The quote from him above if reported correctly is extremely disrespectful. Too carefree with procedures and the English language for anybody's good.
Is that a direct quote that you are attributing to McNicholas from tonight ?
Yeah. From Farrandeelin above from Michael Gallagher s report.
This is all top class stuff Mayo but we need something else, a twist in the tale, a moment of madness, just something to add to the drama of it all. Liam McHale comes along and gives the chairman one of his famous running slaps or McStay gives him one with the back of his folder. Surely Conor Mortimor has some antics to get up to, Blondie McDonald? What's your next move Mayo?
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2014, 10:10:41 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 25, 2014, 09:46:07 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2014, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Mc Hale is still part of the management team with St. Brigid's and has a Co Semi Final next weekend. This is his third year there. When himself and Mc Stay won the All Ireland that year with Brigid's, i don't really recall either one of them being mouthy with the press. Everything was low key with no remarkable ''media moments'' that i can recall.
Suits some people now to try and deflect the blame onto McHale and McStay. Not them that made a hames of the process.
Paddy McNicholas may well tough this out but he is doing the county a grave disservice.
The quote from him above if reported correctly is extremely disrespectful. Too carefree with procedures and the English language for anybody's good.
Is that a direct quote that you are attributing to McNicholas from tonight ?
Yeah. From Farrandeelin above from Michael Gallagher s report.
OK - the quote is from Farrandeelin and not from Shrewdness. Thanks for clarification. Ya it's a quite sort of carefree comment considering his position and the 'supposed' pressure he was under.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 25, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
This is all top class stuff Mayo but we need something else, a twist in the tale, a moment of madness, just something to add to the drama of it all. Liam McHale comes along and gives the chairman one of his famous running slaps or McStay gives him one with the back of his folder. Surely Conor Mortimor has some antics to get up to, Blondie McDonald? What's your next move Mayo?
What's the matter with you.... apart from the obvious?
Surely somebody so nasty has a boyfriend/girlfriend to torment rather than sticking in here.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 25, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
This is all top class stuff Mayo but we need something else, a twist in the tale, a moment of madness, just something to add to the drama of it all. Liam McHale comes along and gives the chairman one of his famous running slaps or McStay gives him one with the back of his folder. Surely Conor Mortimor has some antics to get up to, Blondie McDonald? What's your next move Mayo?
F'off
I heard a few things that McStay wanted to introduce and they weren't out of the ordinary at all, sounded like the same set up he would have used with Brigids. I reckon what he had planned with filter out...
Pure deflection from PaddyMc tonight. Shambles of a process (which is the main issue) completely ignored tonight. What manager in their right mind down the line will want to come on board with that shower of alps....
Doesn't inspire huge confidence in C&H that they have been willing to go along with this.
Can someone explain this joint managers shite to me? Whos the boss? Who makes the decisions?
Quote from: ballinaman on September 25, 2014, 10:55:46 PM
I heard a few things that McStay wanted to introduce and they weren't out of the ordinary at all, sounded like the same set up he would have used with Brigids. I reckon what he had planned with filter out...
Pure deflection from PaddyMc tonight. Shambles of a process (which is the main issue) completely ignored tonight. What manager in their right mind down the line will want to come on board with that shower of alps....
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Paddy would have been in survival mode. Morals and decency go out the window. He ridiculed an AI wining manager there tonight to save his skin.
He would say anything to survive this crisis and anybody that thinks everybody moves on now and 'gets behind the new management' is deluding themselves. That is not going to happen. Mayo now is like a ship that has torpedoed itself before leaving port.
This team we have deserved better than being dragged into this in the first place. Perception is reality and the perception is ( for a lot of Mayo people I would suspect) that this is a fix and we ve ended up with patsies. I d expect the team will have a jaundiced view of this as well when they realise they were part of the stitch up.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 25, 2014, 11:07:24 PM
Doesn't inspire huge confidence in C&H that they have been willing to go along with this.
They are fucked unless the players want to do it for themselves. Puppet/patsy appointment.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 25, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
This is all top class stuff Mayo but we need something else, a twist in the tale, a moment of madness, just something to add to the drama of it all. Liam McHale comes along and gives the chairman one of his famous running slaps or McStay gives him one with the back of his folder. Surely Conor Mortimor has some antics to get up to, Blondie McDonald? What's your next move Mayo?
Hey Don't Matter if you still have at least one hand with a working thumb and you obviously have an internet connection I think there i something way more constructive you could do with your life! Don't do it in public though ;)!
Quote from: moysider on September 25, 2014, 09:25:59 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 25, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Mc Hale is still part of the management team with St. Brigid's and has a Co Semi Final next weekend. This is his third year there. When himself and Mc Stay won the All Ireland that year with Brigid's, i don't really recall either one of them being mouthy with the press. Everything was low key with no remarkable ''media moments'' that i can recall.
Suits some people now to try and deflect the blame onto McHale and McStay. Not them that made a hames of the process.
Paddy McNicholas may well tough this out but he is doing the county a grave disservice.
The quote from him above if reported correctly is extremely disrespectful. Too carefree with procedures and the English language for anybody's good.
How do lads likes Paddy cultivate enough gombeens to get support anyways? We've had our fair share too. How can you be such an eejit and get power?
The Macs wanted to get Mayo over the line more than the CB. That says it all really.
Mayo need to fight.
Quote from: Dont Matter on September 25, 2014, 10:22:25 PM
This is all top class stuff Mayo but we need something else, a twist in the tale, a moment of madness, just something to add to the drama of it all. Liam McHale comes along and gives the chairman one of his famous running slaps or McStay gives him one with the back of his folder. Surely Conor Mortimor has some antics to get up to, Blondie McDonald? What's your next move Mayo?
Really poor effort!
Your Mayo stereotypes simply aren't credible.
'McStay gives him one with the back of his folder' - where is that from?
If you mentioned one of Liam's famous wides or McStay selling an outrageous dummy, that he even bought himself, you might be on to something. If you pulled in references to pushing cars or catching imaginary footballs you'd have got a knowing smile or two. If you gave a nod to refs from Meath & Monaghan, no doubt someone would have latched on, but if you added a Sligo ref as well you would have been seen as almost credible.
At least you could have thrown a jersey at the bench or the old reliable of mentioning an entire county asphyxiating in Croke Park, regularly.
As I said, really poor trolling. Division 4 stuff.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 25, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
According to Michael Gallagher, Paddy McNicholas has got a round of applause after his speech! He ain't going anywhere soon it seems.
Not telling anyone what was in McStay's package either, but 'anyone in their right mind' wouldn't have accepted it according to Paddy Mc.
This all sounds very Fianna Fáil-esque.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2014, 09:26:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 25, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
According to Michael Gallagher, Paddy McNicholas has got a round of applause after his speech! He ain't going anywhere soon it seems.
Not telling anyone what was in McStay's package either, but 'anyone in their right mind' wouldn't have accepted it according to Paddy Mc.
This all sounds very Fianna Fáil-esque.
Wrong party! Have you not been paying attention ;D
the county board chairman has apologised for mistakes but has not really said exactly what those mistakes were?
was it advertising for a job that was already gone. ?
was it assuming the role of the whole county board ?
Was it saying a executive meeting took place when it didn't ?
was it trying to get mcstay to withdraw while the process was still under way?
and is it a new 'Mistake' that he now says Mcstay asked his to do this if he wasn't going to get that job.?
nothing so far the ballina boys have said so far would indicate that this is true.
i think this has legs for a while
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2014, 10:07:07 AM
the county board chairman has apologised for mistakes but has not really said exactly what those mistakes were?
was it advertising for a job that was already gone. ?
was it assuming the role of the whole county board ?
Was it saying a executive meeting took place when it didn't ?
was it trying to get mcstay to withdraw while the process was still under way?
and is it a new 'Mistake' that he now says Mcstay asked his to do this if he wasn't going to get that job.?
nothing so far the ballina boys have said so far would indicate that this is true.
i think this has legs for a while
He hasn't apologised though
He said that he "
regret in particular the statement that said there was a meeting between the mayo senior football manager interview committee and the executive" and "
I accept that with retrospect we could have done some things differently".Regrets being caught that basically means...
Was it one of those, "IF I've done anything wrong, I apologise", kind of apologies.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2014, 10:18:30 AM
Was it one of those, "IF I've done anything wrong, I apologise", kind of apologies.
'I am sorry I didn't invite you to your going away party, but it is really your own fault...'
McStay was never going to get the job with or without McHale. This was the guy that was looking for an audit of Mayo football a few years back, that wasn't likely to be forgotten too easily. Audit, transparency, due process, County Board won't be having any of that nonsense. Last night's meeting was just business as usual nothing to see here, time to move on etc. Paddy Mac even got philosophical, 'Hindsight is wonderful' before adding wistfully 'We all make mistakes in life'. In the face of such insight what could the delegates do but applaud the dear chairman.
Quote from: moysider on September 26, 2014, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 26, 2014, 09:26:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 25, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
According to Michael Gallagher, Paddy McNicholas has got a round of applause after his speech! He ain't going anywhere soon it seems.
Not telling anyone what was in McStay's package either, but 'anyone in their right mind' wouldn't have accepted it according to Paddy Mc.
This all sounds very Fianna Fáil-esque.
Wrong party! Have you not been paying attention ;D
Blueshirts have learnt how to do things the Haughey way.
As for thye bit that "McStay had proposals that I knew weren't acceptable to the Co Board but I'm not telling anyone what they were" - Stalin or Hitler wouldn't have had the nerve to come out with that sort of stuff.
Was he afraid the Interview Committee might just be more impressed with McS/McH and therefore couldn't let it get to that stage?
Hopefully the fallout will make the Hundred Pages here and will screw up the Rhus for three or four years.
Quote from: Mac2 on September 26, 2014, 10:46:49 AM
McStay was never going to get the job with or without McHale. This was the guy that was looking for an audit of Mayo football a few years back, that wasn't likely to be forgotten too easily. Audit, transparency, due process, County Board won't be having any of that nonsense. Last night's meeting was just business as usual nothing to see here, time to move on etc. Paddy Mac even got philosophical, 'Hindsight is wonderful' before adding wistfully 'We all make mistakes in life'. In the face of such insight what could the delegates do but applaud the dear chairman.
Life is like a box of chocolates...
Assistant Treasurer Michael Diskin has resigned according to reports.
Hmmm... maybe not over yet, but I wonder how many others would be willing to give up their positions on a matter of principle?
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2014, 12:31:47 PM
Hmmm... maybe not over yet, but I wonder how many others would be willing to give up their positions on a matter of principle?
I think the clever ones usually do that, but at the right time.
Look at leadership contests over the years, many of the ultimate winners have to step down first. It can be a key step to undermine an incumbent, especially when it is on a matter of principle or more usually after a vote of no confidence.
Quote from: muppet on September 26, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2014, 12:31:47 PM
Hmmm... maybe not over yet, but I wonder how many others would be willing to give up their positions on a matter of principle?
I think the clever ones usually do that, but at the right time.
Look at leadership contests over the years, many of the ultimate winners have to step down first. It can be a key step to undermine an incumbent, especially when it is on a matter of principle or more usually after a vote of no confidence.
Ed McGreal reporting another member of the executive is to resign later today.
I'm as disgusted as anyone about the way this farce was conducted. Two good Mayo men like McStay and McHale deserved much better and I can't believe our delegates acted like such sheep last night.
A couple of things have got me wondering (doesn't take much I know).
1. Did the delegates not voice their disapproval because there was such a strong desire from the clubs that C & H got the job (i.e. That McStay didn't)?
2. The players have been very quiet. So they should be you might say but they seem very content to move on and work with the 2 boys. That's definitely the impression I got off AOS on the last word. Have the county board had a quiet word with some key players and simply chosen the men they wanted, by whatever means necessary?
I can't help but feel that the second point is playing a bigger part than we are acknowledging. Maybe I'm just being naive and it's wishful thinking that the players are happy with this decision, if not the process. If the players agree with the appointment then things will not be as bleak as some are suggesting.
However, if what some are saying is right and the players are pissed off then we are in for a couple of wasted years.
Allowing players to dictate terms is one of the worst things you can do, though. That core Mayo panel have had an incredible level of security under Horan.
To get one last push out of that panel before they start breaking apart would take lighting a fire under them and making lots of players uncomfortable. Connelly/Holmes are giving that panel what they want (Buckley, no McHale) and I don't know if fattening the cow yet again is the approach Mayo needed.
Really interesting year ahead in Connacht.
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 08:25:56 PM
Allowing players to dictate terms is one of the worst things you can do, though. That core Mayo panel have had an incredible level of security under Horan.
To get one last push out of that panel before they start breaking apart would take lighting a fire under them and making lots of players uncomfortable. Connelly/Holmes are giving that panel what they want (Buckley, no McHale) and I don't know if fattening the cow yet again is the approach Mayo needed.
Really interesting year ahead in Connacht.
Not sure that's accurate. The players want continuity. Much easier to get a push out of a team if the team buys into the management rather than if the team doesn't. Also new management will have their own take and stamp on how the team look. Whether it is good enough or not we will have to wait and see.
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 08:25:56 PM
Allowing players to dictate terms is one of the worst things you can do, though. That core Mayo panel have had an incredible level of security under Horan.
To get one last push out of that panel before they start breaking apart would take lighting a fire under them and making lots of players uncomfortable. Connelly/Holmes are giving that panel what they want (Buckley, no McHale) and I don't know if fattening the cow yet again is the approach Mayo needed.
Really interesting year ahead in Connacht.
I know what you mean Syf but I wouldn't agree entirely with that either. You must have happy players and the players have to fully buy into what the new management wants to do. True, the players can't run the show but they have to be 100% behind this appointment. If the players are ok with this appointment then so am I but what I can't agree with is the way it was done and the way McStay was treated.
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 26, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
We were three points up on the feckers with ten minutes to go ffs, why wouldn't we think we can give them a game? Every streak ends and it rarely comes when it's 'supposed' to happen. If Galway have any shape about them next year they'll be able to give Mayo a game in Pearse too. Who knows what shape Sligo will take next year. Plenty of interesting match-ups possible.
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 26, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
We were three points up on the feckers with ten minutes to go ffs, why wouldn't we think we can give them a game? Every streak ends and it rarely comes when it's 'supposed' to happen. If Galway have any shape about them next year they'll be able to give Mayo a game in Pearse too. Who knows what shape Sligo will take next year. Plenty of interesting match-ups possible.
Have you seen a draw for the championship yet ?
Quote from: Nihilist on September 26, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 26, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
We were three points up on the feckers with ten minutes to go ffs, why wouldn't we think we can give them a game? Every streak ends and it rarely comes when it's 'supposed' to happen. If Galway have any shape about them next year they'll be able to give Mayo a game in Pearse too. Who knows what shape Sligo will take next year. Plenty of interesting match-ups possible.
Have you seen a draw for the championship yet ?
Hmm? Are you being smart or serious?
The championship draw is on next month, usually K-Mac and whoever they let out of the Sunday Game pensioners' home running the rule over the ties..
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 26, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 26, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
We were three points up on the feckers with ten minutes to go ffs, why wouldn't we think we can give them a game? Every streak ends and it rarely comes when it's 'supposed' to happen. If Galway have any shape about them next year they'll be able to give Mayo a game in Pearse too. Who knows what shape Sligo will take next year. Plenty of interesting match-ups possible.
Have you seen a draw for the championship yet ?
Hmm? Are you being smart or serious?
The championship draw is on next month, usually K-Mac and whoever they let out of the Sunday Game pensioners' home running the rule over the ties..
Actually I was being a little of both ;)
Seeing as none of us know yet what the draw will be, well I could equally put the argument forward that we might not play Galway in Pearse at all. What happens if ye draw them in the Hyde? I would expect this Ros team to give Galway a good challenge especially if that turned out to be the draw. And if we were then on the other side we could end up playing ye in Castlebar. I would hope that home advantage here would be a big plus ifthis were to be the case.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 26, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 26, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 26, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
We were three points up on the feckers with ten minutes to go ffs, why wouldn't we think we can give them a game? Every streak ends and it rarely comes when it's 'supposed' to happen. If Galway have any shape about them next year they'll be able to give Mayo a game in Pearse too. Who knows what shape Sligo will take next year. Plenty of interesting match-ups possible.
Have you seen a draw for the championship yet ?
Hmm? Are you being smart or serious?
The championship draw is on next month, usually K-Mac and whoever they let out of the Sunday Game pensioners' home running the rule over the ties..
Actually I was being a little of both ;)
Seeing as none of us know yet what the draw will be, well I could equally put the argument forward that we might not play Galway in Pearse at all. What happens if ye draw them in the Hyde? I would expect this Ros team to give Galway a good challenge especially if that turned out to be the draw. And if we were then on the other side we could end up playing ye in Castlebar. I would hope that home advantage here would be a big plus ifthis were to be the case.
Will be in Pearse if we play Galway, indeed whoever we play next year will be an away game for us. Last time was 2012 and possibly the most embarrassing performance I've ever seen by a Roscommon team at Hyde Park, being hammered by a team that subsequently got knocked out by Sligo and Antrim, the later of whom we'd kicked around for fun a few weeks earlier. Beating Galway in Galway is rarely easy but we'd have plenty of motivation. If we didn't get best possible draw (Leitrim in a semi-final..), I'd want Galway. If we can't beat them there's no point even bothering with Mayo in Castlebar.
We're playing London and Galway get New York in the QFs so Mayo won't be meeting either county until the semi-finals at the earliest.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 26, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 26, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 26, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
When the dust has settled on all this controversy, i would expect Mayo to kick on in the new year and more than likely make it five Connacht titles in a row. Can anyone realistically see any other outcome?
We were three points up on the feckers with ten minutes to go ffs, why wouldn't we think we can give them a game? Every streak ends and it rarely comes when it's 'supposed' to happen. If Galway have any shape about them next year they'll be able to give Mayo a game in Pearse too. Who knows what shape Sligo will take next year. Plenty of interesting match-ups possible.
Have you seen a draw for the championship yet ?
Hmm? Are you being smart or serious?
The championship draw is on next month, usually K-Mac and whoever they let out of the Sunday Game pensioners' home running the rule over the ties..
Actually I was being a little of both ;)
Seeing as none of us know yet what the draw will be, well I could equally put the argument forward that we might not play Galway in Pearse at all. What happens if ye draw them in the Hyde? I would expect this Ros team to give Galway a good challenge especially if that turned out to be the draw. And if we were then on the other side we could end up playing ye in Castlebar. I would hope that home advantage here would be a big plus ifthis were to be the case.
Actually thinking back ye played them in the Hyde in 2012. Was this the last time ? If so next time will be in Pearse correct. If so well ya - fair enough. Galway will be good next year. And hard to beat. Get the money on now.
Quote from: Syferus on September 26, 2014, 10:37:28 PM
Will be in Pearse if we play Galway, indeed whoever we play next year will be an away game for us. Last time was 2012 and possibly the most embarrassing performance I've ever seen by a Roscommon team at Hyde Park, being hammered by a team that subsequently got knocked out by Sligo and Antrim, the later of whom we'd kicked around for fun a few weeks earlier. Beating Galway in Galway is rarely easy but we'd have plenty of motivation. If we didn't get best possible draw (Leitrim in a semi-final..), I'd want Galway. If we can't beat them there's no point even bothering with Mayo in Castlebar.
We're playing London and Galway get New York in the QFs so Mayo won't be meeting either county until the semi-finals at the earliest.
Apologies - didn't see this before previous post.
To no ones surprise another topic turning into a discussion on Roscommon football >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: maigheo on September 27, 2014, 03:42:01 AM
To no ones surprise another topic turning into a discussion on Roscommon football >:( >:( >:(
Oh, the focus is still very much still on your crack team of gombeens.
The Connaught championship is a proper championship at its level. Any one could win it
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2014, 07:25:21 AM
The Connaught championship is a proper championship at its level. Any one could win it
2011...Mayo
2012.. Mayo
2013...Mayo
2014... Mayo
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2014, 07:25:21 AM
The Connaught championship
there is no such thing ya Anglicised fecker ya.
There is however a
Connacht Championship which we hope will be more open next year than it's been for a while.
To hell with ye
Quote from: Rossfan on September 27, 2014, 01:25:37 PM
Quote from: rrhf on September 27, 2014, 07:25:21 AM
The Connaught championship
there is no such thing ya Anglicised fecker ya.
There is however a Connacht Championship which we hope will be more open next year than it's been for a while.
It may well be. It will be if Mayo go backwards like we seem to be trying to do.
However this year we dossed a lot of league and Connacht. Can t see any new management having the balls to do that - especially under the circumstances if ye know what I mean! Add in a few players that will improve on last year's Mayo model you ll probably find a very interested Mayo team again.
I expect Mayo's season next year will be decided again by the Gods in Aug/Sept.
Quote from: moysider on September 28, 2014, 12:22:57 AM
I expect Mayo's season next year will be decided again by the Gods in Aug/Sept.
Meath Gods? ;)
Is there a change beginning? Someone is making a stand, http://mayogaablog.com/?p=15595
Quote from: mayo.mick on September 28, 2014, 10:55:16 PM
Is there a change beginning? Someone is making a stand, http://mayogaablog.com/?p=15595
What s going on Mick?
The people of Mayo are revolting.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 29, 2014, 09:35:55 AM
The people of Mayo are revolting.
We have done it before Jinxy with the last succesful time resulting in a new word for the English Language ,
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/learning-zone/primary-students/looking-at-places/mayo/michael-davitt/captain-boycott/ !!
That 'revolt' detailed on Mayo blog is doomed to failure i fear.
Not because there are not men of committment and integrity involved but more cos they have no power. Like it or not, the county board have the power and its not like Corke Park are going to come in over the top and tell them to stand aside to make way for the revolution.
To effect the change required you need to get inside the tent and make the incumbents feel uncomfortable to the point of where they will do what you want.
To achieve this is actually straight forward enough in one sense. What is need is that every clubs takes the appointment of 'club delegates' to the county board very seriously. Only people who can tick the 3 boxes below should be appointed:
- can articualte their views clearly and forcefully
- are constructive, progressive abnd modern thinking in all things GAA
- actively seek the views of as many of their club members as possible on the agenda of county board meetings (indeed the last meeting should have resulted in club meetings all over the county where all members were encouraged to attend to ensure the clubs position was aligned and the delegate understood this and was committed to representing that position)
- are not 'yes' men who only attend because (while well intentioned) they treat it as a hobby and like to be the 'man-in-the-know' at home
Imagine how the meeting the last day would have panned out if all delegates ticked these boxes ?!
Far too many people talk about 'county board out,' 'sack the lot of them' without any credible alternative. The reality is it will require the greater Mayo GAA public to avail of the democracy that exists in the structures today as i have outlined which will ultimately bring the county board kicking and screaming into the 'new age' and implement the strategy written by Liam Horan and others 3 years ago. In such a changed dynamic, the ego-driven hobbyist who occupy a lot of the positions today will not want their positions in future meaning we get the people that can deliver.
Quote from: blast05 on September 29, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
That 'revolt' detailed on Mayo blog is doomed to failure i fear.
Not because there are not men of committment and integrity involved but more cos they have no power. Like it or not, the county board have the power and its not like Corke Park are going to come in over the top and tell them to stand aside to make way for the revolution.
To effect the change required you need to get inside the tent and make the incumbents feel uncomfortable to the point of where they will do what you want.
To achieve this is actually straight forward enough in one sense. What is need is that every clubs takes the appointment of 'club delegates' to the county board very seriously. Only people who can tick the 3 boxes below should be appointed:
- can articualte their views clearly and forcefully
- are constructive, progressive abnd modern thinking in all things GAA
- actively seek the views of as many of their club members as possible on the agenda of county board meetings (indeed the last meeting should have resulted in club meetings all over the county where all members were encouraged to attend to ensure the clubs position was aligned and the delegate understood this and was committed to representing that position)
- are not 'yes' men who only attend because (while well intentioned) they treat it as a hobby and like to be the 'man-in-the-know' at home
Imagine how the meeting the last day would have panned out if all delegates ticked these boxes ?!
Far too many people talk about 'county board out,' 'sack the lot of them' without any credible alternative. The reality is it will require the greater Mayo GAA public to avail of the democracy that exists in the structures today as i have outlined which will ultimately bring the county board kicking and screaming into the 'new age' and implement the strategy written by Liam Horan and others 3 years ago. In such a changed dynamic, the ego-driven hobbyist who occupy a lot of the positions today will not want their positions in future meaning we get the people that can deliver.
which of the current board are you talking about when you say
ego-driven hobbyist
Maybe this is the twist we've all been waiting for. Interesting development Mayo.
To be honest, every member of the executive that tolerated the recent fiasco and was happy to accept a status quo, rather than either publicly challenge their colleagues or resign on principle, has lost my respect. They did not act with the integrity i would expect for people in that position and therfore to answer your question, i would label them all as ego-driven hobbyists.
I find it interesting that that is the 1 line you commented on. Why would that be ?
becuse every one is taking anoymous potshot at unnamed people and more are talking about transperancy
it juat doesnt add up .
your suggesting that these guys who devote huge hours to the GAA at all levels for many years are merely there to get their picture taken at dinner dances , but if there is one or more of them that has not done the hard yards then you should in the interests of transperancy tell us who you are talking about.
It Doesnt mean they are aright i have no problem saying Paddy McNicholas McNIcholas, Secretary VIncent Neary and Treasurer JP Lambe did not do the right thing in this affair and i would like to see them resign
but i would make no comment about their motivation nor dedication to mayo football. do you?
Quote from: blast05 on September 29, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
That 'revolt' detailed on Mayo blog is doomed to failure i fear.
Not because there are not men of committment and integrity involved but more cos they have no power. Like it or not, the county board have the power and its not like Corke Park are going to come in over the top and tell them to stand aside to make way for the revolution.
To effect the change required you need to get inside the tent and make the incumbents feel uncomfortable to the point of where they will do what you want.
To achieve this is actually straight forward enough in one sense. What is need is that every clubs takes the appointment of 'club delegates' to the county board very seriously. Only people who can tick the 3 boxes below should be appointed:
- can articualte their views clearly and forcefully
- are constructive, progressive abnd modern thinking in all things GAA
- actively seek the views of as many of their club members as possible on the agenda of county board meetings (indeed the last meeting should have resulted in club meetings all over the county where all members were encouraged to attend to ensure the clubs position was aligned and the delegate understood this and was committed to representing that position)
- are not 'yes' men who only attend because (while well intentioned) they treat it as a hobby and like to be the 'man-in-the-know' at home
Imagine how the meeting the last day would have panned out if all delegates ticked these boxes ?!
Far too many people talk about 'county board out,' 'sack the lot of them' without any credible alternative. The reality is it will require the greater Mayo GAA public to avail of the democracy that exists in the structures today as i have outlined which will ultimately bring the county board kicking and screaming into the 'new age' and implement the strategy written by Liam Horan and others 3 years ago. In such a changed dynamic, the ego-driven hobbyist who occupy a lot of the positions today will not want their positions in future meaning we get the people that can deliver.
3 things?? Should they also be able to count blast?? ;D ;D
I think Michael Gallagher's piece today would strike a chord with a lot of Mayo fans.
Any new developments from the CB meeting last night
When life gives you lemons, make Mayo.
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2014, 10:53:59 PM
I think Michael Gallagher's piece today would strike a chord with a lot of Mayo fans.
Can you please attach link.
Thanks
Quote from: joemamas on September 30, 2014, 01:23:51 PM
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2014, 10:53:59 PM
I think Michael Gallagher's piece today would strike a chord with a lot of Mayo fans.
Can you please attach link.
Thanks
Don t think it s online.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 29, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
becuse every one is taking anoymous potshot at unnamed people and more are talking about transperancy
it juat doesnt add up .
your suggesting that these guys who devote huge hours to the GAA at all levels for many years are merely there to get their picture taken at dinner dances , but if there is one or more of them that has not done the hard yards then you should in the interests of transperancy tell us who you are talking about.
It Doesnt mean they are aright i have no problem saying Paddy McNicholas McNIcholas, Secretary VIncent Neary and Treasurer JP Lambe did not do the right thing in this affair and i would like to see them resign
but i would make no comment about their motivation nor dedication to mayo football. do you?
As per my last post, i'm talking about them all - bar those who resigned.
My statement was formed purely on the the lack of moral fibre
displayed in that now infamous county board meeting. I highlighted 'displayed' cos the few i know off (and i'm sure the majority) would not in normal circumstances be accused of this. So, the fact that they failed to display this by challenging the cozy-consensus that developed in the meeting, leads me to conclude that their positions and what they get from it are more important to them than doing the right thing for Mayo football.... hence ego-driven hobbyists.
McHale could be back in inter county coaching next year after all, he's on Peter Leahy's back room team if he gets the nod tonight in Westmeath.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
McHale could be back in inter county coaching next year after all, he's on Peter Leahy's back room team if he gets the nod tonight in Westmeath.
But that didn't get the go ahead either I see!
Sligo next port of call?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 08, 2014, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
McHale could be back in inter county coaching next year after all, he's on Peter Leahy's back room team if he gets the nod tonight in Westmeath.
But that didn't get the go ahead either I see!
The curse of the "package"?? ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 08, 2014, 11:01:56 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 08, 2014, 05:54:43 PM
McHale could be back in inter county coaching next year after all, he's on Peter Leahy's back room team if he gets the nod tonight in Westmeath.
But that didn't get the go ahead either I see!
Clubs voted it down as I think they want the recognised name of Banty. There was 6 shortlisted for the job but the CB didn't work down the list after proposing Leahy, probably for the reason that they can't afford Banty's entourage. A shame as I thought Leahy and McHale would have worked well, could still happen as nothing surprises me anymore in our little republic.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 09:12:52 AM
Clubs voted it down as I think they want the recognised name of Banty.
Be careful what ye wish for :o
TomTomTommy is near at hand....
Cake Curran now tweeting that McHale was not actually part of Leahys management plan. When I said nothing surprises me anymore...
McHale is being linked to the Cavan backroom management.
Liam McHale has insisted that he had not agreed to be part of Peter Leahy's backroom team with the Westmeath senior footballers. Leahy was put forward for the position of Westmeath manager at last night's county board meeting - but he didn't get sufficient support from club delegates, who voted 24-19 against him. When Leahy was proposed by Westmeath GAA chairman Sean Sheridan at last night's meeting, it was stated that former Mayo midfield star Liam McHale would be part of the management team. It was said that Tommy Kelly (The Downs) and Mick Reynolds (a former selector with the Westmeath ladies football team) would also be included in Leahy's backroom team. However, McHale has made it absolutely clear that he had not agreed to join Leahy's ticket. The Ballina native said he met Leahy in Athlone yesterday (Wednesday) and told him he would think about the offer for a few days. "I nearly crashed the car when I heard my name mentioned on the radio when it was reported that Peter was rejected for the Westmeath position," McHale told the Westmeath Independent today. McHale was coach of the St Brigid's team who won the All-Ireland club title in 2013, under the management of Kevin McStay. A highly regarded coach, McHale is still part of the Brigid's set-up, and the club is currently preparing for the Roscommon SFC final on Sunday week. "I was coming back from training with St Brigid's when Brian Carthy came on the radio at around 11 o'clock. I couldn't believe it when I heard my name read out in connection with the Westmeath set-up," said McHale. "I met Peter yesterday (Wednesday) and I said I'd think it over for a few days. I had spoken to him a couple of times on the phone before that – just casual talk, trying to organise a meeting. But when I met him, I never said I was coming on board," he continued. "I spoke to Sean Sheridan this morning. He told me that he was 100 per cent sure I was coming on board before going into the county board meeting last night, but that wasn't the case. "Sean was very apologetic and I was pleased with his response this morning. I've never met Sean but he seems like a very nice, genuine man," added Liam. A few weeks ago, McHale was in contention to become part of Mayo's management team along with former team-mate, Kevin McStay. However, the Mayo County Board chose to appoint Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes as joint-managers. The way the process was handled caused huge controversy and led to stinging criticism of Mayo chairman Paddy McNicholas - See more at: http://www.westmeathindependent.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/10/09/4033029-mchale-insists-he-never-agreed-to-join-westmeath-setup/#sthash.1l78vkod.dpuf
Soap operas all over the place.
Statement received from Peter Leahy
Due to inaccuracies being reported in the media and on social media sites today I find it necessary to state the facts. At the time of my proposal on Tuesday 7th October all members of my backroom team were confirmed. It is true that one member of the management backtracked on Wednesday evening (at a meeting to confirm finer details) saying he'd "confirm for definite within 24 hours". I am very disappointed that this person has decided today to distance himself, after our ratification was unsuccessful. It is obviously done for personal reasons. I one hundred percent stand by my proposed management team and did not try to mislead any delegates or county board officials. Primarily I'm a Westmeath supporter and the management team I put forward was for the betterment of Westmeath football. I have no doubts that if I had got the three extra votes necessary to confirm my ratification that all of my management team (including the high profile coach) would have done a fantastic job for Westmeath. I wish the county board and incoming management team all the best for 2015 and hope Westmeath can achieve their potential.
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
As things turned out it was probably the only appointment that they could make. But the way it was handled was a mess.
Saying that while it might have been the right appointment I ve yet to meet a Mayo person that thinks it s a good appointment. It would be okay for a team in transition, would seem to be the general view. Safe pair of hands with good intentions. But for a squad that needs something for another push for the summit it s an underwhelming appointment.
Bit rough on Connelly maybe but getting Pateen Holmes back is like getting landed again with an old girlfriend - one that you were delighted to get rid of the first time.
Disappointed other serious people not in Mayo mix. I suppose when McStay expressed an interest a lot of people would have expected a shoe in. Would have like to see somebody like Jack O Connor interested. Holmes and Conn were then cobbled together as an alternative because the Batman and Robin 'package' was too much.
Quote from: moysider on October 09, 2014, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
As things turned out it was probably the only appointment that they could make. But the way it was handled was a mess.
Saying that while it might have been the right appointment I ve yet to meet a Mayo person that thinks it s a good appointment. It would be okay for a team in transition, would seem to be the general view. Safe pair of hands with good intentions. But for a squad that needs something for another push for the summit it s an underwhelming appointment.
Bit rough on Connelly maybe but getting Pateen Holmes back is like getting landed again with an old girlfriend - one that you were delighted to get rid of the first time.
Disappointed other serious people not in Mayo mix. I suppose when McStay expressed an interest a lot of people would have expected a shoe in. Would have like to see somebody like Jack O Connor interested. Holmes and Conn were then cobbled together as an alternative because the Batman and Robin 'package' was too much.
If Paddy held his six shooters for two weeks FOD would have been available..
Quote from: Syferus on October 09, 2014, 11:37:05 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 09, 2014, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
As things turned out it was probably the only appointment that they could make. But the way it was handled was a mess.
Saying that while it might have been the right appointment I ve yet to meet a Mayo person that thinks it s a good appointment. It would be okay for a team in transition, would seem to be the general view. Safe pair of hands with good intentions. But for a squad that needs something for another push for the summit it s an underwhelming appointment.
Bit rough on Connelly maybe but getting Pateen Holmes back is like getting landed again with an old girlfriend - one that you were delighted to get rid of the first time.
Disappointed other serious people not in Mayo mix. I suppose when McStay expressed an interest a lot of people would have expected a shoe in. Would have like to see somebody like Jack O Connor interested. Holmes and Conn were then cobbled together as an alternative because the Batman and Robin 'package' was too much.
If Paddy held his six shooters for two weeks FOD would have been available..
I was trying to be serious here Sy. For people that might not be au-fait with our little slagfest ::)
Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
He was lucky John only called him bad names. Much, much worse could have happened him.
Quote from: orangeman on October 10, 2014, 12:26:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
He was lucky John only called him bad names. Much, much worse could have happened him.
Such as?
Quote from: moysider on October 10, 2014, 12:34:49 AM
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Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
He was lucky John only called him bad names. Much, much worse could have happened him.
Such as?
Same fate as Peter the Great suffered a short while prior to this. Accidentally of course.
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Quote from: whitey on October 09, 2014, 06:38:50 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 09, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on October 09, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Maybe Mayo have inadvertently made the right managerial appointment.
Absolutely. Good coach or not (and I have no idea on that), he has terrible judgement about when he should talk to the media and what he should say. He's not involved with any county, yet he's in the news every fcking second day.
LOL-I said exactly the same thing when he was proposed for the Mayo job. I will never forget him moaning on the Joe Duffy show after the 96 replay about all he names he was called b John McDermott.
He was lucky John only called him bad names. Much, much worse could have happened him.
Such as?
Same fate as Peter the Great suffered a short while prior to this. Accidentally of course.
Nah. McHale was never bullied. Never a bully either. Even though many tried in club and county.
McDermott was the one that threw the hissy when he felt that likes of McHales 's disappointment after the 96 mess was somehow disrespecting Meath.
Even after the McHale sending off Pat Fallon and a kid Brady were well able to compete with McDermott and was it Colm Brady/ McGuinness?
McEneaney was the trouble there and the Mayo/Meath thing continues to fester.
Look at it from our point of view. This year we had 2 Meath refs. for our semis this year and we had McEneaney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice getting smoozy during the Dub/Donegal semi. Mc Eneaney is the top dog as regards refs being appointed and I don t trust him. He ref us again in '04 and put down a marker very early by giving a couple of very soft free ins to Kerry. Just to show how tough he is imo.
To make things worse we had his brother managing Meath later. Much too cosy imo. Rotten tbh.
Sure I'm paranoid but a bit to be paranoid about. Banty managing Meath later as well did not help.
McHale gone to Cavan as a performance coach. Hopefully he wasn't driving the car when he heard the news.
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Good to see they're getting the show on the road. Do you know if there will be trials or instead are they planning to invite certain players to join the panel?
Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Did the Ballina messiah make an appearance?
Dunno. But a couple not involved this summer were present.
Not sure about what trials could show up.
Quote from: Syferus on October 13, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Did the Ballina messiah make an appearance?
No. Thought you knew. He s gone to Cavan>
Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
that's far too soon IMO. If they'd any sense they'd leave it till January
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Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
that's far too soon IMO. If they'd any sense they'd leave it till January
Maybe. And certainly would agree if was an established management.
But this new management will want to get their feet under the table fairly sharp and take ownership of the project. Especially after the way the board handled the succession. There is a jaundiced view of the whole episode among a lot in the county, to say the least. This wont help much but it s something.
Not that they can do much before January. Get a few younger lads involved and give them programmes to work on. Maybe organise a few trials for lads that have not been involved.
Basically they probably want to put their stamp on things early I d say.
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Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
that's far too soon IMO. If they'd any sense they'd leave it till January
Maybe. And certainly would agree if was an established management.
But this new management will want to get their feet under the table fairly sharp and take ownership of the project. Especially after the way the board handled the succession. There is a jaundiced view of the whole episode among a lot in the county, to say the least. This wont help much but it s something.
Not that they can do much before January. Get a few younger lads involved and give them programmes to work on. Maybe organise a few trials for lads that have not been involved.
Basically they probably want to put their stamp on things early I d say.
Jez they would be in real bother if they waited until January before they got started. They have to set their agenda to the core players now! They need to know who is offering their services for the coming year, who to tell they don't fancy and who they want to join the group. A good impression is half the start when coming in as a new Management team. If you loose the dressing room at the beginning you are shagged. Nearly impossible to remedy!
Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Cryptic as usual moy!! Are you going to let on who the new faces were??
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Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Cryptic as usual moy!! Are you going to let on who the new faces were??
Nah!!
Keep all the 'new faces' to pms if ye want. No point in broadcasting everything.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 15, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
Keep all the 'new faces' to pms if ye want. No point in broadcasting everything.
It's not like it's hard to guess most of them. The boards for discussing information, not hiding it.
So Kevin Mc Stay is due an apology and gets a public one as well. But blames the media. :)
Mayo secretary Vincent Neary has admitted mistakes were made in the process to appoint James Horan's successor as senior football manager but insists the issue was "blown out of all proportions" by the media.
In his address to Sunday's county convention, Neary hits out at the "hurtful" social media comments in the wake of the affair and brands the subsequent abuse of chairman Paddy McNicholas as "uncalled for."
Neary's comments come in the wake of the botched process that saw Kevin McStay overlooked for the job in favour of Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes before he had been interviewed for the post.
"The whole affair was blown out of all proportions, with Mayo grabbing many column inches in both local and national print media," writes Neary.
"The situation was also making headlines on the national airwaves.
"Yes, it was not handled properly but the way that social media users joined with their comments was very sad and in many cases hurtful.
"Many of those who commented have no idea what it takes to run the affairs of the County Board and the fact that this is being done by volunteers seems to go unnoticed.
"The abuse that the chairman and indeed his family had to endure was uncalled for."
Neary also offered his apologies to McStay and wished Mayo's new management team the best of luck as they set out in pursuit of a first All-Ireland title since 1951.
"Apologies also to Kevin McStay, whom I have known and respected for a long time, for having to endure something that was not of his making.
I hope they can change the dynamic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNPmj6Azqo
I came across it after watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDzueyAM3Fo
It must be heartbreaking to suffer the losses without anything to relieve the pain.
Come on to f**k Mayo and get it out of your system, whatever it is.
Im Fed up of non apologies like this . admitting 'Mistakes were made ' and not saying what they were or who made them and then as you say Going on to attack the messanger for reporting these Mistakes.
Thats why Cabinet collective responsility is so important . All the county board are respondsible for all their actions . as it a member did not make the mistake they should have stopped it from happing or at least Call it out and not in this mealy mouthed way.
Quote from: moysider on October 15, 2014, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on October 15, 2014, 11:17:15 PM
Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Cryptic as usual moy!! Are you going to let on who the new faces were??
Nah!!
Plastic surgery?
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Quote from: moysider on October 13, 2014, 09:03:41 PM
Meanwhile the Mayo squad was back at McHale Park for a get together on Saturday. Couple of new faces.
Cryptic as usual moy!! Are you going to let on who the new faces were??
Nah!!
Plastic surgery?
Strangely gone out of fashion, since the demise of certain counties. :D
JAmes Horan in as Westport manager
that means the last 2 mayo manager are now at Westport .
something going on there we don't know about?
id blkame Michael ring but his only interest is soccer and would see the gaa as an enemy
Horan is taking over a good group of lads. Westport have a serious group of lads coming through at present. The bulk of their All Ireland Intermediate club side were under 25 and younger! They won the under 21 County championship with Pat Holmes this year and they have been winning county Minor/under16 titles and so on the last couple of years.
Horan (as you'd expect) is not joining a sinking ship. He has looked at this and sees an opportunity!
Some serious money in play for Westport to be snagging those managers.
Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 01:56:21 PM
Some serious money in play for Westport to be snagging those managers.
Holmes lives in Westport. His (very) Young lads play for Wesport GAA and Westport Utd FC. I'd be surprised if he got anything out of the extraordinary for the under 21 gig!
Horan on the other hand.........
Great to see James back involved. The emergence of Westport is a huge bonus for Mayo as it has traditionally been a soccer and rugby bastion. The more interesting news this week is the proposed transfer of Donie Vaughan to Castlebar from Ballinrobe. Will seriously strengthen their hand if true.
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 15, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
Horan is taking over a good group of lads. Westport have a serious group of lads coming through at present. The bulk of their All Ireland Intermediate club side were under 25 and younger! They won the under 21 County championship with Pat Holmes this year and they have been winning county Minor/under16 titles and so on the last couple of years.
Horan (as you'd expect) is not joining a sinking ship. He has looked at this and sees an opportunity!
He did the same with Ballintubber which them gave him the opportunity to get into county management. He is probably planning long term with this gig now maybe eyeing up Galway seniors as another opportunity!
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 15, 2017, 04:44:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 15, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
Horan is taking over a good group of lads. Westport have a serious group of lads coming through at present. The bulk of their All Ireland Intermediate club side were under 25 and younger! They won the under 21 County championship with Pat Holmes this year and they have been winning county Minor/under16 titles and so on the last couple of years.
Horan (as you'd expect) is not joining a sinking ship. He has looked at this and sees an opportunity!
He did the same with Ballintubber which them gave him the opportunity to get into county management. He is probably planning long term with this gig now maybe eyeing up Galway seniors as another opportunity!
He'd have gotten the Galway job with or without Westport if he wanted it. He's doing it for the cash, let's not beat around any bushes here and pretend there's some grand plan.
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Start at €10k ;)
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
I'm not lambasting him for it. For the sake of a few evenings a week you can make a bit of cash and hopefully give a good service to the club in question too. But don't mistake it as being part of any great plan to take over in any county.
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
150 x 150 sessions more like.......
I would Think the team horan puts in us a 75 to 100 k
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Doubt it's a per session fee, salary I would imagine.
Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
I'm not lambasting him for it. For the sake of a few evenings a week you can make a bit of cash and hopefully give a good service to the club in question too. But don't mistake it as being part of any great plan to take over in any county.
How in the f**k would you know what James Horan's intentions or motivations are?
Quote from: Tubberman on December 15, 2017, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
I'm not lambasting him for it. For the sake of a few evenings a week you can make a bit of cash and hopefully give a good service to the club in question too. But don't mistake it as being part of any great plan to take over in any county.
How in the f**k would you know what James Horan's intentions or motivations are?
Because the Galway job is going to be his if by some miracle he wants it. The idea posed here was it was he was doing the Westport job as a lead in to going for that job but his record is already such that he could sit on his hands for the next five years and walk into nearly any IC job he wanted.
Chill out, it's Christmas.
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Lads get that a night to manage teams that have no chance in Offaly.
Then in Roscommon, you've Pádraig Pearses. 30 grand a year to Curan x 2 years.
Flanagan will probably get similar.
0 county titles.
Quote from: Minder on December 15, 2017, 07:41:01 PM
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Doubt it's a per session fee, salary I would imagine.
I concur with your line of thinking.
Quote from: LooseCannon on December 15, 2017, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Lads get that a night to manage teams that have no chance in Offaly.
Then in Roscommon, you've Pádraig Pearses. 30 grand a year to Curan x 2 years.
Flanagan will probably get similar.
0 county titles.
Pearses were stone useless this season without Cake. This is the first I've heard about 30 grand a year to Cake. I think a lot of people get confused about the need to pay other coaches too when it comes to these rumored numbers.
Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 09:49:32 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on December 15, 2017, 09:38:05 PM
Quote from: joemamas on December 15, 2017, 06:34:52 PM
seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Lads get that a night to manage teams that have no chance in Offaly.
Then in Roscommon, you've Pádraig Pearses. 30 grand a year to Curan x 2 years.
Flanagan will probably get similar.
0 county titles.
Pearses were stone useless this season without Cake. This is the first I've heard about 30 grand a year to Cake. I think a lot of people get confused about the need to pay other coaches too when it comes to these rumored numbers.
Heard it from lads I went to college with who were p*ssed off about wasting that much money on a manager.
He took over an intermediate team in Offaly last year. They were in crisis. Hammered by local rivals by 25+ points. €275 a night. Not bad going.
Daithí Regan claimed on twitter that some managers get 50k a year.
I presume he meant county managers, but I suppose Dublin club could fall into those figures as well.
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seriously, how much cash do you think a club manager in Mayo gets ?
lets say they get 100 a session. so 50 x 100 = 5,000. or even 150 a session x 50 =7,500
Hardly life changing.
Am I way off, I genuinely don't know.
Lads get that a night to manage teams that have no chance in Offaly.
Then in Roscommon, you've Pádraig Pearses. 30 grand a year to Curan x 2 years.
Flanagan will probably get similar.
0 county titles.
Pearses were stone useless this season without Cake. This is the first I've heard about 30 grand a year to Cake. I think a lot of people get confused about the need to pay other coaches too when it comes to these rumored numbers.
Heard it from lads I went to college with who were p*ssed off about wasting that much money on a manager.
He took over an intermediate team in Offaly last year. They were in crisis. Hammered by local rivals by 25+ points. €275 a night. Not bad going.
Daithí Regan claimed on twitter that some managers get 50k a year.
I presume he meant county managers, but I suppose Dublin club could fall into those figures as well.
Matty Kenny on around that with Cuala hurlers apparently
The real scandal is everyone is aware of it but Revenue have never gotten involved. This is cash in hand for a literal job.
Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
The real scandal is everyone is aware of it but Revenue have never gotten involved. This is cash in hand for literal job.
I'd say there'd be a fair amount of tax raked in. 99% of clubs pay their manager.
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The real scandal is everyone is aware of it but Revenue have never gotten involved. This is cash in hand for a literal job.
and to think you've lads getting married now to avoid tax :)
With many Mayo clubs training in the midland rather than at home a manager could easily claim €100 in travel exps and meal allowance tax free. A club with a decent accountant would have no problem sorting that out.
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Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
The real scandal is everyone is aware of it but Revenue have never gotten involved. This is cash in hand for literal job.
I’d say there’d be a fair amount of tax raked in. 99% of clubs pay their manager.
what I find very odd is that no disgruntled player.boradmember /former manager has not come forward and laid it all bare .
Even the mafia do not have this level of Omerta.
is iit a case of all moneies being technically being legitimate? expenses ghost work done an other creative methods
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Quote from: LooseCannon on December 15, 2017, 11:20:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 15, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
The real scandal is everyone is aware of it but Revenue have never gotten involved. This is cash in hand for literal job.
I'd say there'd be a fair amount of tax raked in. 99% of clubs pay their manager.
what I find very odd is that no disgruntled player.boradmember /former manager has not come forward and laid it all bare .
Even the mafia do not have this level of Omerta.
is iit a case of all moneies being technically being legitimate? expenses ghost work done an other creative methods
Daithí Regan was on Off The Ball a while back
Paul Curran managed our club and was getting roughly 150 a session.(Often these "Sessions" were 40 minutes talks in the club house with no training involved)
Enon Gavin turned down 120 a night with a Longford club last year to go as a selector with St.Brigids for higher "expenses".... That was him Declan Meehan and Frankie Dolan all getting extremely high expenses out of them last year.
FOD was on 150+ a session with Killoe last year.
So i can only imagine Horan will be looking for 150 or more a session considering he is a much better manager than all of the above.
Quote from: oliverkelly on December 18, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Paul Curran managed our club and was getting roughly 150 a session.(Often these "Sessions" were 40 minutes talks in the club house with no training involved)
Enon Gavin turned down 120 a night with a Longford club last year to go as a selector with St.Brigids for higher "expenses".... That was him Declan Meehan and Frankie Dolan all getting extremely high expenses out of them last year.
FOD was on 150+ a session with Killoe last year.
So i can only imagine Horan will be looking for 150 or more a session considering he is a much better manager than all of the above.
There's money in Westport.
At least Curran gave back the 5 thousand, right?
Topic of payments to managers being discussed shortly on Off The Ball.
The difficulty as far as I can see it is that in many cases it's not actually the clubs that are paying the managers. It is one or more local "benefactors". Very hard to prove that. I have no idea how clubs could afford it otherwise. I am from a relatively large club. Our spend is about €140000 annually, which we have to fundraise like crazy to cover. We don't pay managers and I don't see how we could afford to.
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Topic of payments to managers being discussed shortly on Off The Ball.
The difficulty as far as I can see it is that in many cases it's not actually the clubs that are paying the managers. It is one or more local "benefactors". Very hard to prove that. I have no idea how clubs could afford it otherwise. I am from a relatively large club. Our spend is about €140000 annually, which we have to fundraise like crazy to cover. We don't pay managers and I don't see how we could afford to.
What do ye spend it on?
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Quote from: shark on December 18, 2017, 08:29:10 PM
Topic of payments to managers being discussed shortly on Off The Ball.
The difficulty as far as I can see it is that in many cases it's not actually the clubs that are paying the managers. It is one or more local "benefactors". Very hard to prove that. I have no idea how clubs could afford it otherwise. I am from a relatively large club. Our spend is about €140000 annually, which we have to fundraise like crazy to cover. We don't pay managers and I don't see how we could afford to.
What do ye spend it on?
Don't have the breakdown at my fingertips, but we've invested heavily in infrastructure over the past number of years. Kids well looked after. Senior players get everything they need. I'm sure there are other clubs, especially duel clubs, spending more.
But I couldn't imagine throwing an extra €20k on top of that for a manager. We've just appointed another one of our own as senior manager for 2018, and long may it continue in my opinion.
My club would spend 30 grand at a max.
Normally 20-25 though.