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Saffrongael

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« Reply #21825 on: October 13, 2021, 09:56:12 PM »
Take Dunloy hurlers as an example. Do Dunloy think they need to rely on schools or county development squads to make their players better. Not a chance.

They built their own facility, set up own centre of excellence, brought in own top rated S/C practitioners and most of al, treated their kids like kings from they were 6 years of age.

At no stage do they rely on a school or county led initiative to make THEIR players better.

That's the model right there as far as I can see!!
I'd be surprise if Dunloy didn't have a very supportive primary school helping getting the boys hurling and playing football. In belfast there are lots of diffferent sports pushed in schools but hopefully gaelfast will make a difference

Dunloy wouldnít be a great example, a club that was coming from a lot of success. Hurlings ingrained in the village and most of the families. Many of the current players fathers in Dunloy had Antrim championship medals coming out their ears. They werenít starting from zero.

From my own experience a club can be doing great things but if the kids at u-9 or u-10 are only training one hour a week for example and donít lift a hurl the rest of the week itís hard for them to reach their full potential.

Many families in clubs in Belfast donít have a Gaa background and donít push the kids (in a good way) and a lot of times itís just a passing fad and they donít stick at it. From what I have seen any parents that are involved in the club and have a background in Gaa the kids will stick at it.

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« Reply #21826 on: October 13, 2021, 10:22:51 PM »
Yes. And I doubt we will for a right few years to come.

And when you consider that we were drilled by 27 points in the U17 Ulster Championship Preliminary round, it shouldnít come as a massive surprise that we donít have a pile of players capable of competing at elite level schoolsí football.
Cargin, Moneyglass and Creggan lads regularly play for Maghera and Magherafelt.  Aghagallon lads will feature for St Ronanís.  We have plenty of lads capable of playing at that level, most just donít get the chance to push themselves to that level.
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« Reply #21827 on: October 13, 2021, 11:00:37 PM »
You don't just play Mc Rory. You need to be accepted into the competition on merit, so unless a school is consistent throughout the various age groups they will remain confined to B Grade competition. Antrim schools used to be fairly competitive at B Grade level but I don't think they have been for quite a while. Is there a C Grade? Maybe Antrim schools could have a competition on their own!

Sincere apologies in advance to those genuinely dedicated teachers who have or do continue to serve in this capacity..but very obviously there is a huge problem in this regard. A teacher won't change this...you need a dozen teachers stepping up, two or three with each year group. It's simply not happening atm.

Any teachers wish to confirm or refute? This is the way it looks from the outside looking in.

I'm telling you, it's all about the club. Get that right the rest will follow. If teachers thought they had a reasonable chance of success, a quality squad, then they may be more inclined to put their hand up. They shouldn't have to start explaining the basics. That should be in place before they come in the gate at secondary level.

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« Reply #21828 on: October 14, 2021, 07:02:21 AM »
Yes. And I doubt we will for a right few years to come.

And when you consider that we were drilled by 27 points in the U17 Ulster Championship Preliminary round, it shouldnít come as a massive surprise that we donít have a pile of players capable of competing at elite level schoolsí football.
Cargin, Moneyglass and Creggan lads regularly play for Maghera and Magherafelt.  Aghagallon lads will feature for St Ronanís.  We have plenty of lads capable of playing at that level, most just donít get the chance to push themselves to that level.
And undoubtedly there are some Antrim players every year who could fit into Armagh and Derry minor teams and hold their own in a competitive team. That does not mean that Antrim could be competitive at this level. And for the exact same reason. We do not have the same number of quality players in this county for our schools to compete in the MacRory Cup. As bannside says, you donít just turn up and play it. They could but they would be roundly thumped to the same degree our county minors were.

The gap doesnít start at MacRory level, there is a significant gap by the time pupils are heading through the doors of their post-primary school in Year 8.

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« Reply #21829 on: October 14, 2021, 03:17:31 PM »
I have absolutely no doubt that in the right hands a "steering group" could safely bring 25 players through the system and return them as individuals with the right credentials to play at the highest level. You'd be looking at guys now aged 11 to 15, maybe 16, three to five in each year group. This is an eight to ten year plan.

(Check Pat Culhane, how to turn Limerick into a hurling empire, on You Tube. The story goes back over ten years).

There's so many aspects involved. Identifying talent. Make sure that talent is nurtured accordingly across all the disciplines, physical mental technical etc.

As I say in the right hands because this is like drawing a masterpiece. Many could try... but only the most dedicated to the attention of detail analysis, follow up, support structure and measurement procedure will succeed.

Those young players are amongst us. Can we turn them into diamonds?

The new director of football has a task ahead of him.


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« Reply #21830 on: October 14, 2021, 04:59:10 PM »
Did we ever find out any more about the new "Director of Football" role?

What's the remit? What was the selection process? What is the plan?

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« Reply #21831 on: October 14, 2021, 06:38:32 PM »
Zero, Zilch, Nada, Nil, Nothing! However we continue to watch this space with increasing interest. Surprising alright that public details are so non existent about such an important appointment.

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« Reply #21832 on: October 14, 2021, 08:14:35 PM »
Are you implying there is something cloak and dagger about this BS?

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« Reply #21833 on: October 14, 2021, 08:36:36 PM »
Bs has your account been hacked??

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« Reply #21834 on: October 14, 2021, 08:51:01 PM »
Bs has your account been hacked??

Iím surprised as well. Antrim and has been in worse states and Bannside was always so optimistic.

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« Reply #21835 on: October 14, 2021, 09:44:50 PM »
I think itís pretty clear he wanted the job.

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« Reply #21836 on: October 14, 2021, 09:47:13 PM »
No Points. I know enough about the situation to know it was well intentioned. I know some of the names that were to be approached, but didn't see Gearoid ending up with the head job. Now that he has it I wish him well....it won't be easy....but if he manages to make a tangible difference he will deserve all the credit he gets.

My account hasn't been hacked at all. I'm just seeing football at a low ebb, a very poor quality, compared to a decade ago. We aren't thriving at any level, club school or county. Something needs to change or we will be playing same record in ten years. The only place I trust enough for change to happen is within ambitious clubs. They need to waken up and take complete responsibility for their players development from A to Z. If a county development programme or school input adds a few % on the journey, that's a bonus.

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« Reply #21837 on: October 14, 2021, 10:10:56 PM »
No Points. I know enough about the situation to know it was well intentioned. I know some of the names that were to be approached, but didn't see Gearoid ending up with the head job. Now that he has it I wish him well....it won't be easy....but if he manages to make a tangible difference he will deserve all the credit he gets.

My account hasn't been hacked at all. I'm just seeing football at a low ebb, a very poor quality, compared to a decade ago. We aren't thriving at any level, club school or county. Something needs to change or we will be playing same record in ten years. The only place I trust enough for change to happen is within ambitious clubs. They need to waken up and take complete responsibility for their players development from A to Z. If a county development programme or school input adds a few % on the journey, that's a bonus.

The footballers have just been promoted. How can you see it at a lower ebb than usual. Antrim have literally been one of the worst football counties in Ireland in recent times and now theyíre up to the 3rd and have a good management team in place for a change. Things definitely arenít perfect but I thought it was better than normal.

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« Reply #21838 on: October 14, 2021, 10:31:47 PM »
I'm prepared to hope for the rising tide lifts all boats approach. A successful senior team leads to more competitive clubs with players trying to get on panel or is this too simplistic?

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« Reply #21839 on: October 15, 2021, 09:00:51 AM »
Well RC will McKeever be lining out next week?