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#1
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
June 16, 2022, 08:36:20 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on June 15, 2022, 10:17:50 PM
It would probably be more relevant to list the names of the people who were beating doors down looking for the job but who were overlooked.

Great point!
As far as I'm aware, the u14 football squad takes on enough to put out 2 teams (must be around 60 players) and the full time staff- ie McNulty and McKenna coordinate the sessions and how the teams are run. So not sure how much pump a doting dad would have. Don't particularly agree with the dads thing myself but if we'd a list of the volunteers actually helping we might find out whether The majority are or aren't parents.
It'd be great if we could embed ex players into the squads coaching system, although that's not to say the best players make the best coaches either.
#2
Antrim / Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
June 06, 2022, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on June 06, 2022, 11:22:59 PM
Quote from: Upandover on June 02, 2022, 05:45:55 PM
Ive recently started mentoring at a local west belfast club, u8/u9, done a couple of courses with gaelfast, bought a few books, both sons play for the club.
Every weekend we are struggling for numbers, we have great facilities, number one culprit....... Caravan season!
I dread to see what its going to be like when the schools finish for summer.
On a sidenote, anyone recommend any books dual codes?

"Give us a game" published by Dublin I think



A few free online resources (especially for u8/9 as you say):

https://antrimgaagamesdevelopment.ie/resources/lets-play-a-game

https://antrimgaagamesdevelopment.ie/resources/the-family-of-games

https://learning.gaa.ie/planner/


#3
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
May 30, 2022, 06:54:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2022, 09:31:29 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on May 29, 2022, 09:16:14 PM
mcginley state why he was leaving? useful to know

Said Gaelfast wasn't working out so packed it in

'Enda McGAAMAN'
#4
Antrim / Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
May 18, 2022, 10:09:40 PM
Think soccer wins that hands down.
So much more options for kids now too- iPads, consoles etc. Easier to sit and play indoors, talk with friends in the comfort of their own home online.
I don't think a lot of  GAA coaches and clubs  take that into consideration. Certainly not half the people on this board- "here's a youngster at my session, he should be doing s&c, individual ball work, eating right, and the more I yell at him, the more he'll respond etc etc."
It's not like Loughgeil where the community idolise the senior hurlers/camogs and they strive to be at that level. For every GAA person I know, I probably know 1 other that doesnt play sport now as a young adult, live a relatively healthy lifestyle and enjoy life travelling or nights, out in the pub at the weekend. GAA players don't get that luxury a lot of the time.
As much as we love and live for the GAA, I feel there's a lack of understanding as to why young people are involved in it. Majority are in it due to friends and fun, but our coaches and members are interested in the wins- and how the county do- and what we need to do to get there.
Soccer leagues have 7/8 divisions - others have even more! It allows everyone to find their level and enjoy it depending on how they want to prepare for it. I know loads of fellas meet up on a Saturday, play a game of soccer and head for pints after. That's the height of it... we call that South Antrim and there's a fair amount of stigma attached to that. I'd love to see clubs take a more business like approach to things where sessions are catered to their audience rather than "here's what I did when I was senior and got to a final one year," even though they've not even considered one piece of coaching literature, attended a coaching course and the kids are 12! I think we could do with more of a look at some form of recreational play for teenage participation. Half pace hurling is a great example of people who just love it, regardless of performance. 

Sorry for the rant lol, but to answer your question......
More visibility.....  in schools,  and more GAA focused leaders in schools and communities. Likes of Tyrone have club people with an influence on Board of Governors etc who get a bit of a say in the recruitment of teachers.
Unless clubs are in schools then how do we ever become visible to kids? Would love to see Gaelfast become more Dublin-like in the sense that a staff member works specifically for a club and recruits as much as possible. Really should've been the model suggested by SV initially anyway but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

More visibility... in general... we have Casement looking a sorry state, get that built on the road and kids can drive by in awe of its presence. In the south they have GAA adverts, billboards etc. I believe it all adds to it. Due to obvious reasons I don't think our businesses can advertise using GAA players as much!

More visibility= more kids.
#5
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
February 10, 2022, 11:37:39 PM
Haven't the stones for it
#6
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
February 03, 2022, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on February 03, 2022, 09:28:36 PM
Quote from: delgany on February 03, 2022, 06:44:28 PM
Quote from: EOC1923 on February 03, 2022, 05:59:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2022, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: EOC1923 on February 03, 2022, 04:26:33 PM
That's a great idea, I'll do that. And thanks it's great to know everything in Antrim is perfect. Cheers

Would Derry invite you into their go games while waiting on Antrim go games are fixed?
What a stupid snide comment, as expected from yourself.

Plenty of Go games
U8s max 7 a side :  10am to 11am (Open cages at Brooke LC

U9   max 7 a side :   11am to 12 noon (Open cages at Brooke LC

U7 max   7 a side  :  12 noon -2pm  ( Covered cages at Brooke LC
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U10 max 6 a side :   12 noon -1pm ( Open cages at Brooke LC

U11 max 11 a side : 12 noon -3pm Woodlands 4G

Starting 26th Feb
Is that football? that's encourging to see and didn't have to ring anyone to find out :o

Do a bit for your club and you'll get the correspondence rather than asking on an anonymous forum.
Go Games are divisional board run- SA and Gaelfast seem to work together on the Belfast Go Games on a weekly alternating basis (albeit the clubs do the heavy lifting most of the time), don't know why it's not the same arrangement in SW and NA with Gaelfast.
#7
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
February 01, 2022, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: bannside on February 01, 2022, 09:31:28 PM
Some great points and discussion on this subject.

It is coming across fairly clear that schools are unlikely to implement a whole new ethos based around GAA. It's too much of a leap for many schools and when they look into the calibre or willingness of teachers availability to lead this out, they aren't inspired.

So what can WE do.

(1) Deliver a better standard of player into year 8 from work already done at primary level or within clubs, and (2) let's see if schools would be up for the challenge if they thought there was meaningful coaching and financial support provided.

Both these things are achievable, and I know in SW quite a few clubs are working harder than before with their juveniles and without doubt a few in the city are increasing their focus in this area.

Someone needs to lead the second project, it's a sales job, but if professionally presented, has a great chance of buy in from the three partners, co board, school and SBF or sponsors.

It's a 3 -5 year journey, maybe more, but it needs to start somewhere.

So when do you start Bannside?  ;D
It's a big ask for anyone in fairness but it's definitely needed. There was, and likely still is, a tradition in Belfast of kids going to St Marys to play better grade football/hurling. The teachers in St Marys- Paddy Cunningham, Paddy Linden, Sean Kelly to name a few have a wealth of knowledge that could be utilised. So there's a Belfast option right away.
Unlike BGAAM I grew a set and I've just asked a member of staff in Gaelfast what they do-
- S&C support for St Marys Belfast and St Louis Grammar
- each staff member has at least 2 post primary schools to coach in each week for a set period of weeks
- St Marys Belfast- both Gerard McNulty and Sean McKenna in providing coaching support to the football squads.
- free coach education entry to any teachers in the schools.
Not as bad as I'd have thought, but not enough on its own either.
#8
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
February 01, 2022, 10:33:30 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on February 01, 2022, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: Ciall on February 01, 2022, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on February 01, 2022, 05:48:01 PM
Secondary schools should be part of Gaelfast plan. No point doing works with primary kids only and if going to waste. Haven't heard much about Gaelfast recently?

So ask them...I can give you an email address for one or two of them if you're wanting to bang on that drum again? But you haven't saw it on social media or something so there's nothing happening?
Good healthy discussion in here about how we impact change in secondary schools but you want to leave it to someone else (Gaelfast) again.
I have heard previous on here that they were working in some schools on S&C as well as coaching, but ultimately it comes back to the school and it's stakeholders. Unless schools, it's staff within and parents/players and clubs put a push on the school for more, then how can we ever expect change.
Gaelfast are a body of staff, a small body of staff at that, led by whoever is voted in as chair and do whatever Croke Park tell them, it seems. Not bashing them, but not expecting massive change in a matter of 2 years (accounting for furlough).
Liked the idea in here of a staff member being part-funded by GAA to work within a school for the development of GAA. Happens in St Marys College Belfast and UUJ with Gavin McGilly and Paul Rouse, and they are heavily involved in the football teams there. The demands on teachers are huge and they'll see their main job of educating as the important part- particularly in Belfast.
If we fed them Better players, I feel it'd be half the battle
what's it like working for Gaelfast? Lol . Chill out lad . I was only asking

More so just an Antrim GAA supporter who tries to keep positive about anything good in the county and my club rather than complaining.
Happy to call out stupid sh*t when I see it.
#9
Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
February 01, 2022, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: Belfast GAA man on February 01, 2022, 05:48:01 PM
Secondary schools should be part of Gaelfast plan. No point doing works with primary kids only and if going to waste. Haven't heard much about Gaelfast recently?

So ask them...I can give you an email address for one or two of them if you're wanting to bang on that drum again? But you haven't saw it on social media or something so there's nothing happening?
Good healthy discussion in here about how we impact change in secondary schools but you want to leave it to someone else (Gaelfast) again.
I have heard previous on here that they were working in some schools on S&C as well as coaching, but ultimately it comes back to the school and it's stakeholders. Unless schools, it's staff within and parents/players and clubs put a push on the school for more, then how can we ever expect change.
Gaelfast are a body of staff, a small body of staff at that, led by whoever is voted in as chair and do whatever Croke Park tell them, it seems. Not bashing them, but not expecting massive change in a matter of 2 years (accounting for furlough).
Liked the idea in here of a staff member being part-funded by GAA to work within a school for the development of GAA. Happens in St Marys College Belfast and UUJ with Gavin McGilly and Paul Rouse, and they are heavily involved in the football teams there. The demands on teachers are huge and they'll see their main job of educating as the important part- particularly in Belfast.
If we fed them Better players, I feel it'd be half the battle
#10
Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
January 24, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 24, 2022, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: Ciall on January 24, 2022, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 23, 2022, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 23, 2022, 03:19:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2022, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 22, 2022, 09:57:04 PM
Antrim u-17 management team having to beg £100 per club in Antrim. Same old Antrim ?

What's the normal process for funding?
Run the County board like a business to generate sufficient income to cover all your overheads without taking it out of clubs.

This request wasnt sanctioned  by county board.
100 % Fit and proper governance.

According to the management; Director of Hurling was well aware it was due to happen, who then changed his mind as clubs kicked up stink...
Don't necessarily agree with asking clubs when we already pay a levy, but (again, according to management) the DOH was chopping away at the proposed monetary plans including the team bonding weekend. Money must be managed so we don't go bankrupt, but I'd hope there's been enough income being generated with sponsorships, championships/streams, SBF & ONeills kickbacks to allow a minor team the chance to run properly.

What was the total cost of the training weekend do you know?

Not 100% certain, Think I remember 5k being thrown about. Was due to include an overnight stay in Tipp with a game or special guest session, then across next day to have a game in Kilkenny & watch the senior hurlers in League. Again, don't quote me on the total cost.
#11
Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
January 24, 2022, 03:12:51 AM
Quote from: delgany on January 23, 2022, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 23, 2022, 03:19:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 22, 2022, 10:01:48 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 22, 2022, 09:57:04 PM
Antrim u-17 management team having to beg £100 per club in Antrim. Same old Antrim ?

What's the normal process for funding?
Run the County board like a business to generate sufficient income to cover all your overheads without taking it out of clubs.

This request wasnt sanctioned  by county board.
100 % Fit and proper governance.

According to the management; Director of Hurling was well aware it was due to happen, who then changed his mind as clubs kicked up stink...
Don't necessarily agree with asking clubs when we already pay a levy, but (again, according to management) the DOH was chopping away at the proposed monetary plans including the team bonding weekend. Money must be managed so we don't go bankrupt, but I'd hope there's been enough income being generated with sponsorships, championships/streams, SBF & ONeills kickbacks to allow a minor team the chance to run properly.
#12
Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
January 21, 2022, 10:50:27 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 21, 2022, 10:18:17 AM
Quote from: Ciall on January 21, 2022, 09:53:33 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 21, 2022, 09:20:19 AM
Quote from: Ciall on January 20, 2022, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 20, 2022, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! There's a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be "kept in." Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
I'd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know he's chair and puts a fair amount of time into it I'm sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? I'd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didn't ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point I'm making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, it'll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If he's willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them he'd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasn't, and shouldn't be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didn't allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then you'd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- you're not reading what I'm asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldn't have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??

Outside teams have been coming into Antrim leagues at all levels for years. 3 down teams, Dungiven and the rest of the Derry teams, Armagh teams applied a lot of years back but nothing came off that. They have played numerous competitions at juvenile level, thanks to NA, against NE. The 3 down teams have all, at some stage, played in Div 2 against NE, Johnneycool would be able to fill you in on when this first took place. CMcC would have seen the input outside clubs have had on the Antrim teams, they have boosted the competition standards for years. Given he never leaves NE, he must be up there every day of the week, he has seen this at first hand. It doesn't take you to have played against outside teams to see their benefit.

As for looking stupid, is that the best you can do? I am really busy today and don't really have time for going backwards and forwards with you, you seem to have an opinion, fully entitled to it, you're welcome to it, I just don't agree with it.

Happy to leave it at that- you've your opinion and I mine. My replies are in response to your suggestion that I was berating lower league players- or people that haven't won something- which isn't the case.
Armagh teams- Cuchullians & Sean Tracey's have been in our leagues for a while at their respective levels.
Think Naomh Eanna enjoyed one year- possibly 2 at Div 2 in recent years before pushing on into Div 1 and I'd say any player within this team will understand the benefits of having the external teams.
#13
Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
January 21, 2022, 09:53:33 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 21, 2022, 09:20:19 AM
Quote from: Ciall on January 20, 2022, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 20, 2022, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! There's a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be "kept in." Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
I'd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know he's chair and puts a fair amount of time into it I'm sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? I'd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didn't ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point I'm making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, it'll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If he's willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them he'd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasn't, and shouldn't be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didn't allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.

Away and get your head felt lad, CMcC is a very intelligent man, I think he would have the wherewithal to consult others. I can't see him going on a solo run with something like this.
As for having to have experienced it himself before making this decision, ffs give him some credit. Your statement is akin to not letting lower league clubs send players forward to county teams due them not being of a required standard, if that's the case then Nicky English would never have worn the blue and gold jersey.

As for Leinster....for years they didnt allow us into any of their leagues, juvenile included. Currently they won't allow us to play any games at home, you sure you want to hold at this high standard you're portraying them to be?

If you know the man- which is seeming like you do- then you'd be well aware he loves a solo run! Again- you're not reading what I'm asking and looking stupid in the process. I never said him playing lower league stops him playing county, I said it wouldn't have allowed him to experience the external teams coming into the league.
Regarding your Leinster statement, if we want to play in Leinster then we should have no problem travelling- we have no right to walk into a league/championship and demand home games etc.

Do you support his views on removing the external teams from our leagues then??
#14
Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
January 20, 2022, 11:32:28 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 20, 2022, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! There's a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be "kept in." Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
I'd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know he's chair and puts a fair amount of time into it I'm sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? I'd be disappointed to see something like that become real.
Now that is a ridiculous statement. Do you need to play to know what a team needs? Plenty of managers  who have won top level competitions but have never won them as a player.

I didn't ask has he won something. Well aware of successful managers backgrounds.
The point I'm making is- if he hurled for NE in his time, it'll have been at a low standard, likely then without the ards teams or other teams in the league, therefore not knowing the benefit of having these teams in our league. If he's willing to make crass statements and potentially decisions about removing external teams from our leagues, without consulting with players/managers in the leagues affected, them he'd need to have experienced it himself- hence my question! I know now he hasn't, and shouldn't be making calls like that without some form of consultation.

Imagine Leinster didn't allow our hurlers into their league/championship through the years, wed have been complaining all the same.
#15
Antrim / Re: ANTRIM HURLING
January 19, 2022, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: Ciall on January 19, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Saffsof82 on January 19, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
hear the Derry clubs looking back into juvenile and reserve leagues, be a good move for everyone that.

Agreed! There's a vast contrast in ability level within the leagues so this helps even it out a bit more. I think the external counties in our senior hurling leagues are badly needed kept too! I heard tell there was discussions as to whether they should be "kept in." Would be disastrous if they were removed! Eg St Galls and Sarsfields in Div 2 sit well at their level- if we remove the Down teams (for example) from Div 1, you end up with a lot  of mismatches in Div 1 and a waste of time for everyone concerned.
I'd actually suggest pushing to get Slaughtneil etc into our league also to help push our top 4/5 teams on!

yes , 100% right, but heard the chairman not keen on outside clubs

I know he's chair and puts a fair amount of time into it I'm sure, but how could he possibly push through his own agenda without discussing with clubs? Did he even hurl? Or even hurl to a decent level to understand the need to for competitive games rather than drummings? I'd be disappointed to see something like that become real.