Poll
Question:
Which of these changes would you agree with and in what order?
Option 1: All kick outs must pass the 50 yard line
votes: 6
Option 2: 2 points for a point kicked from play from outside the 50 yard line
votes: 6
Option 3: 4 players must remain inside the opponents half at all time
votes: 2
Option 4: Maximum of 3 hand passes which must be followed by a footpass/kick
votes: 3
Option 5: Marks for balls caught over the head from a footpass in any area of the pitch
votes: 1
Option 6: Make 4 step rule 6 steps and enforce
votes: 1
Option 7: Once ball enters opponents half it can not be played back beyond the half way line
votes: 4
Option 8: Black card also includes a 10 minute sin bin before replacement player is allowed
votes: 5
Option 9: Allow the ball to be picked off the ground
votes: 0
Option 10: 2 refs for all county games
votes: 2
Option 11: Use a clock that stops at the refs signal for any reason and game ends when ball goes out of bounds after time expires
votes: 6
Option 12: All of the above..
votes: 4
I've put up some suggestions on how to attempt to improve the debacle that Gaelic football has become. Vote for your favourites proposal and list the changes you agree with in order and those you agree with in order.
Ye don't seem to have gone metric yet in Shligo ;D
Agree with 2 points from outside 45
Also limit to handpass, 6 steps enforced rule and no passing back over half way line (I'd make it every line excent opponents 13 and 20).
The one about keeping 4 players in the opposition half is a no brained. It has to brought in. I wouldn't like to see the mark brought in. If they changed the 4 step rule to 6 players would just end up taking 8 or 10. Not allowing the backwards kick is another good one. Refs aren't consistent enough with the black card. To make it easier I'd change it to a back card if your denying a goal scoring opportunity. The black card would mean your sin binned for 10 mins and then the same player comes back on. A second black card would result in a red.
Quote from: South Laois man on September 12, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
The one about keeping 4 players in the opposition half is a no brained. It has to brought in. I wouldn't like to see the mark brought in. If they changed the 4 step rule to 6 players would just end up taking 8 or 10. Not allowing the backwards kick is another good one. Refs aren't consistent enough with the black card. To make it easier I'd change it to a back card if your denying a goal scoring opportunity. The black card would mean your sin binned for 10 mins and then the same player comes back on. A second black card would result in a red.
I am not so sure about that one. IF any team was brave / foolhardy enough to push everyone forward they would have a 3 man overlap. It would force the defending team to retreat even further to keep out goals.
Quote from: LeoMc on September 12, 2018, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: South Laois man on September 12, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
The one about keeping 4 players in the opposition half is a no brained. It has to brought in. I wouldn't like to see the mark brought in. If they changed the 4 step rule to 6 players would just end up taking 8 or 10. Not allowing the backwards kick is another good one. Refs aren't consistent enough with the black card. To make it easier I'd change it to a back card if your denying a goal scoring opportunity. The black card would mean your sin binned for 10 mins and then the same player comes back on. A second black card would result in a red.
I am not so sure about that one. IF any team was brave / foolhardy enough to push everyone forward they would have a 3 man overlap. It would force the defending team to retreat even further to keep out goals.
Sorry Leo let me clarify that, both teams must have at least 4 players in both halves of the field - so the 3 man overlap would not be an option. I know there are other threads on this subject but I thought it best to put up all the proposals in one place so everyone could see them without having to flick through pages upon pages.
Get rid of the steps as there are big steps and little steps, walking steps and sprinting steps, and then the standing still time. Change it to three seconds. Three seconds = three seconds regardless of size, pace or movement. Otherwise I'd go with the two refs (we currently have three at intercounty level of course) and sin bin.
1. Two points for outside the 50
2. I'd go further and limit hand passes to two, or even one
3. The clock thing
Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2018, 05:24:24 PM
1. Two points for outside the 50
2. I'd go further and limit hand passes to two, or even one
3. The clock thing
Kicking points is wonderful.
But isn't more than a tad unfair to reward people who are born with an exceptionally long kick, with a 100% mark up on their value, than those who aren't blessed with such a cannon?
I know everyone can improve or optimise their kicking technique. But in my experience, the fellas who could kick it furthest at under-12, continue to do so at adult level.
0. Define and police the tackle
1. Sin bin
2. Clock
3. Kick outs 50 yards
4. 2 points for score from 50 yards
Quote from: thewobbler on September 12, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 12, 2018, 05:24:24 PM
1. Two points for outside the 50
2. I'd go further and limit hand passes to two, or even one
3. The clock thing
Kicking points is wonderful.
But isn't more than a tad unfair to reward people who are born with an exceptionally long kick, with a 100% mark up on their value, than those who aren't blessed with such a cannon?
I know everyone can improve or optimise their kicking technique. But in my experience, the fellas who could kick it furthest at under-12, continue to do so at adult level.
It's more to draw out defences and stop the blanket. It's very easy to sit in front of your own goals with 15 men. But it won't pay off if you have teams kicking 2 pointers.
I mean, in reality how many 50+ points are scored per game? One maybe, if that.
The 50 yards one. How does that work? Do we have a straight line across the pitch 50 years form goal? Or a semi circle based on a 50 yard radius?
No rule changes needed. Championship restructured. Then teams will believe they can win and therefore will go out and compete to do so. Div 3 or 4 teams can't beat Div 1 or 2 teams without trying to close the game down and not concede. That simple change would dramatically change the quality of games served up.
Maybe you might share this magic bullet with the rest of us.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 12, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
Maybe you might share this magic bullet with the rest of us.
You've been told it a million times already so why would anyone expect you to actually listen this time?
You go off and have your operation.
6 steps, pick the ball off the ground and the clock would be the only ones id agree with. The rest have too many ramifications and negative reasons or just better options there to use them
I'd find it harder to pick a ball straight off the ground. Unless of course I was on the ground. Chipping it up is much easier.
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 12, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
I'd find it harder to pick a ball straight off the ground. Unless of course I was on the ground. Chipping it up is much easier.
The knees must be going so!
Trying to chip the ball up in traffic is one of the stupidest parts of the game and only serves to slow it down and benefit defensive teams where every half second gets them an extra body back in position.
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2018, 09:57:00 PM
No rule changes needed. Championship restructured. Then teams will believe they can win and therefore will go out and compete to do so. Div 3 or 4 teams can't beat Div 1 or 2 teams without trying to close the game down and not concede. That simple change would dramatically change the quality of games served up.
Armagh beat Clare and have it a good rattle against Roscommon without doing that
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2018, 09:57:00 PM
No rule changes needed. Championship restructured. Then teams will believe they can win and therefore will go out and compete to do so. Div 3 or 4 teams can't beat Div 1 or 2 teams without trying to close the game down and not concede. That simple change would dramatically change the quality of games served up.
I don't think so. Any team up by a few points nowadays go into keep ball mode regardless of their level or that of the opposition. It's time for action before a large number of people turn away from playing and/or watching the game. the suggestions above are some of the ideas on improving the spectacle.
On the question about the 2 points for 50 yards (45 meters), you could put an arc on the field or leave it at the existing 50 yard line. Obviously the conversion percentage would be lower, hence the added point bonus for success.
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 12, 2018, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: trailer on September 12, 2018, 09:57:00 PM
No rule changes needed. Championship restructured. Then teams will believe they can win and therefore will go out and compete to do so. Div 3 or 4 teams can't beat Div 1 or 2 teams without trying to close the game down and not concede. That simple change would dramatically change the quality of games served up.
Armagh beat Clare and have it a good rattle against Roscommon without doing that
You mean the match where Roscommon led for more than the last 50 minutes? Fierce tight alright.
Split Dublin.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/paul-earley-football-needs-more-contests-for-the-ball-1.3624740?mode=amp
Quote from: Rossfan on September 13, 2018, 11:22:45 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/paul-earley-football-needs-more-contests-for-the-ball-1.3624740?mode=amp
Interesting article
« The Football Review Committee started with that and decided to look to the public to get a steer and through the website we got 3,000 submissions from the public and players. The consensus was that they wanted to see high catching, long-range kicking and score-taking; they were the key ones."
Exactly what I've been saying.
More contests = more manliness = more entertainment.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 13, 2018, 02:16:03 PM
Exactly what I've been saying.
More contests = more manliness = more entertainment.
High catching, long range kicking and score taking: bring back Boylan.
I'd also favour the reintroduction of buck leppin' after a goal.
http://www.the42.ie/sean-cavanagh-second-referee-4236039-Sep2018/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I see Sean kavanagh is in favour of a second referee and who could blame him. Shocking stuff ..
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 12, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
I'd find it harder to pick a ball straight off the ground. Unless of course I was on the ground. Chipping it up is much easier.
You're actually right.
Watching the women yesterday, I'd have to say I would rather stick with our pick-up.
It's kind of awkward to pick it up straight off the ground as you nearly have to run slightly to one side of the ball and lean down instead of going straight through.
Regardless, it is a mile down the list of potential changes that would make an actual difference.
Simplest and yet most effective suggestion not even included. Handpass has to be a closed fist only. Bye bye easily retaining possession through the tackle
Quote from: Manning18 on September 19, 2018, 09:59:47 AM
Simplest and yet most effective suggestion not even included. Handpass has to be a closed fist only. Bye bye easily retaining possession through the tackle
Yep.
It works in Aussie Rules.
Also the 'taking 4 steps while bouncing' interpretation has to go. If the ball is carried in your hand it is over carrying. Its not basketball we're playing.
Quote from: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 12, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
I'd find it harder to pick a ball straight off the ground. Unless of course I was on the ground. Chipping it up is much easier.
You're actually right.
Watching the women yesterday, I'd have to say I would rather stick with our pick-up.
It's kind of awkward to pick it up straight off the ground as you nearly have to run slightly to one side of the ball and lean down instead of going straight through.
Regardless, it is a mile down the list of potential changes that would make an actual difference.
Its more the ball skidding fast and low towards you where it would be a benefit and usually only time a free for picking it off the ground is given....it can be very tough to know for sure if it's a pick up or not and is a judgement call...that's the only place I could see it being of any use. Doesn't really bother me too much though.
On the ball having to travel 45/50 yards from a kick out, would take a fair kick into the teeth of a wind similar to this to employ that rule
Quote from: Manning18 on September 19, 2018, 09:59:47 AM
Simplest and yet most effective suggestion not even included. Handpass has to be a closed fist only. Bye bye easily retaining possession through the tackle
Yes agree with that. How many times have we seen the ball threw into the net?
Plus all frees within the 50 (the 21 at least!) taken from the ground. Grown men tapping the ball over from the 14 line look like under 6's.
Quote from: tippabu on September 19, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 04:31:33 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on September 12, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
I'd find it harder to pick a ball straight off the ground. Unless of course I was on the ground. Chipping it up is much easier.
You're actually right.
Watching the women yesterday, I'd have to say I would rather stick with our pick-up.
It's kind of awkward to pick it up straight off the ground as you nearly have to run slightly to one side of the ball and lean down instead of going straight through.
Regardless, it is a mile down the list of potential changes that would make an actual difference.
Its more the ball skidding fast and low towards you where it would be a benefit and usually only time a free for picking it off the ground is given....it can be very tough to know for sure if it's a pick up or not and is a judgement call...that's the only place I could see it being of any use. Doesn't really bother me too much though.
On the ball having to travel 45/50 yards from a kick out, would take a fair kick into the teeth of a wind similar to this to employ that rule
Valid point Tipp and may need the introduction of a 35 meter line for use in such circumstances. The whole purpose of the proposal is to bring back high fielding a great aspect that had been eliminated and has been replaced by short kick outs followed by 100 handpasses. By the way, I agree with the closed fist idea, only problem is subjectivity or interpretation by the ref..
How about all kickouts taken from the 20m line. Would encourage keeper to go longer.