Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

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6th sam

What was the french model for facilities bb2?

Louther

What was the original budget and current funding shortage for Casement? I would imagine now that that gap has greatly increased in recent weeks and the budget is out of the water. With current pricing of materials and labour and everything else, I just couldn't see how the figures are going to stack up to get this built.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM


Louther

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 15, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Don't say that. What about the Euros bid?

Hardly be finished by 2028 at current rate of progress 😂😂

It could be a new angle to get it done but would IFA support it?

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: 6th sam on February 14, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
What was the french model for facilities bb2?

Every village gets a municipal soccer/rugby pitch, pool and basketball/tennis courts. The bigger the village the bigger the facility, stands get added as needed. Everyone has free access to well maintained local authority sports facilities. Teams get the size they need for the league they end up in.

6th sam

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 15, 2022, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 14, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
What was the french model for facilities bb2?

Every village gets a municipal soccer/rugby pitch, pool and basketball/tennis courts. The bigger the village the bigger the facility, stands get added as needed. Everyone has free access to well maintained local authority sports facilities. Teams get the size they need for the league they end up in.

Thanks Bb2, sounds a Much better model but would work out expensive. Gaa clubs are already doing some of this at a fraction of the cost,

Rossfan

A GAA pitch is much bigger than those needed for soccer/ruggerball.
And will Paddy pay French tax rates?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: 6th sam on February 15, 2022, 01:28:53 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 15, 2022, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: 6th sam on February 14, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
What was the french model for facilities bb2?

Every village gets a municipal soccer/rugby pitch, pool and basketball/tennis courts. The bigger the village the bigger the facility, stands get added as needed. Everyone has free access to well maintained local authority sports facilities. Teams get the size they need for the league they end up in.

Thanks Bb2, sounds a Much better model but would work out expensive. Gaa clubs are already doing some of this at a fraction of the cost,

GAA clubs don't share. That's the problem. Most sports infrastructure spending goes to the GAA who, while doing great work within their circle, exclude the rest of the community. You wouldn't design that grant model now.

illdecide

The sooner this stadium is built the better, has dragged on far too long. The money is there for it (a bit of additional needed but will be found), please no more silly arguments about moving it and reducing it etc. The funding is for the stadium at Casement and no where else, just get it built and get on with it. There will be employment in the area it will have great facilities to the GAA for meetings and seminars etc and can host other events such as local events to concerts.

I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

Baile Brigín 2

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Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2022, 01:59:40 PM
A GAA pitch is much bigger than those needed for soccer/ruggerball.
And will Paddy pay French tax rates?

Do you not see a municipal sports complex in every village providing facilities for everyone who needs them as a better model than a GAA club building facilities across the road from a soccer one and neither sharing? I was in the sticks recently and saw two 5g astros across across the road from each other in a village of 500. The department should be refusing funds unless they share

illdecide

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 15, 2022, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 15, 2022, 02:28:45 PM
The sooner this stadium is built the better, has dragged on far too long. The money is there for it (a bit of additional needed but will be found), please no more silly arguments about moving it and reducing it etc. The funding is for the stadium at Casement and no where else, just get it built and get on with it. There will be employment in the area it will have great facilities to the GAA for meetings and seminars etc and can host other events such as local events to concerts.


How can you say the money is there for it? It's hardly "a bit of additional needed". It was estimated at £33 million (more than half the original funding) 2 years ago. What are we looking at now? Where is it coming from?

The "just get it built" brigade are part of the problem. It's a hell of a lot easier said than done. That sort of tunnel vision pig-headedness is why we have nothing to show after all these years.

Not 100% sure of the exact figure but i was pretty sure the amount was around £65m. All Construction costs have rocketed up and this one is no different, many Contracts have been cancelled and schemes put back out to tender as Construction companies simply cannot construct the scheme for the original costs. As for the bit in bold can you explain how the "just get it built brigade" is the problem, these people simply want a stadium for their County and the province want a stadium to showcase the Ulster final. So yes get it built...Do a bit of research of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and see what planned costs were and what it actually ended up costing when finished...Double the amount
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

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Quote from: illdecide on February 16, 2022, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on February 15, 2022, 02:35:24 PM
Quote from: illdecide on February 15, 2022, 02:28:45 PM
The sooner this stadium is built the better, has dragged on far too long. The money is there for it (a bit of additional needed but will be found), please no more silly arguments about moving it and reducing it etc. The funding is for the stadium at Casement and no where else, just get it built and get on with it. There will be employment in the area it will have great facilities to the GAA for meetings and seminars etc and can host other events such as local events to concerts.


How can you say the money is there for it? It's hardly "a bit of additional needed". It was estimated at £33 million (more than half the original funding) 2 years ago. What are we looking at now? Where is it coming from?

The "just get it built" brigade are part of the problem. It's a hell of a lot easier said than done. That sort of tunnel vision pig-headedness is why we have nothing to show after all these years.

Not 100% sure of the exact figure but i was pretty sure the amount was around £65m. All Construction costs have rocketed up and this one is no different, many Contracts have been cancelled and schemes put back out to tender as Construction companies simply cannot construct the scheme for the original costs. As for the bit in bold can you explain how the "just get it built brigade" is the problem, these people simply want a stadium for their County and the province want a stadium to showcase the Ulster final. So yes get it built...Do a bit of research of Páirc Uí Chaoimh and see what planned costs were and what it actually ended up costing when finished...Double the amount

Its the big suits in the GAA that are the problem, arrogance of them. The small man has stood up to the big man and they couldn't take it. Move on, build it elsewhere