Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[imtommygunn]

If it's not now then it was last year according to citybeat!

[Eamonnca1]

Hold your noses while you read this half-educated rant from some mucksavage at the Herald:

Planners are all-stars for putting GAA's noses out of joint over Casement

20 DECEMBER 2014 03:00 AM

In a week when the GAA suffered another blow to its monstrous ego with the refusal of the planning authorities in Belfast to grant permission for the extension of Casement Park, it was good to know that at least the powers-that-be in the UK don't allow these people to do as they want.

Naturally, the GAA were outraged as they'd already begun work on the project, assuming that - as is the case in this country - those in power wouldn't dare question the might of the organisation, but they had their noses well and truly bloodied on this one.

Funniest of all was that some hardliner went on BBC Norn Iron to bemoan that they were "entitled" (he actually used the word) to a new stadium, while others brought up the fact that failing to extend the ground could affect Ireland's bid for the Rugby World Cup.

Clearly the concept of irony hasn't taken hold up the road, given that it was the Ulster counties that were most adamant that 'foreign' sports shouldn't be let next nor near the hallowed turf of Croke Park, yet here they were complaining that the refusal of planning permission would affect a push for a rugby tournament. God, the sheer neck of that mob.

Back in the real world, The Beautiful Game provided plenty of entertainment off the field. We had the frankly hilarious story of former Aston Villa assistant manager Roy Keane (currently sitting on his hands until March when he resumes his duties as Martin O'Neill's sidekick in the Republic of Ireland set-up) going round to Villa midfielder Tom Cleverly's gaff and ringing the bell for a good half-hour. It seems that the ever-chilled Roy wanted a word with Cleverly to see if he'd been telling tales about the various spats at the Villa training ground before the Corkman walked away from his job as No2 to Paul Lambert.

Lambert, quite rightly, looked exasperated at Thursday's Villa press conference, fielding questions about someone who'd skipped out on a troubled club just before a vital league match. That someone no longer employed by the club should take up time at a media briefing is ridiculous but, then again, for Roy it's always been about Roy and to hell with everyone else.

We also had the truly great Thierry Henry announcing his retirement from the game to take up a very lucrative gig with Sky Sports, and fair play to him. During his career he was a joy to watch, one of the greatest and most graceful strikers we've seen in our lifetime, but, naturally, there were those who brought up that handball incident in Paris in 2009.

As usual, we had the "He cost us a spot in the World Cup" brigade out in force. Rather like the "RTE turned down Father Ted" crew, these people seemed to think that we were headed to South Africa when Henry - as any good professional player would have done - controlled the ball, twice, with his hand to set up William Gallas's goal. We weren't. We were on course for a penalty shootout, which is not the same as having your bags packed at all.

Anyway, while I, like every other football fan in the country, was absolutely livid at the time to the extent that I refused to drink French wine or eat in any of their over-rated restaurants for several months afterwards, Les Bleus' catastrophic implosion in South Africa wiped the slate clean. Enjoy your new gig, Thierry, you were a genuine legend, even though you played for Arsenal.

And finally, Hollywood was up in arms about how anonymous threats from "mysterious people on the internet" caused Sony Pictures to pull The Interview from its release schedules. Hmmh, a self-indulgent 'comedy' from Seth Rogen and James Franco about a plot to kill North Korean leader Kim Jong-un gets the chop. Thank you, "mysterious people on the internet", thank you.

At the risk of dignifying it with a response:

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[rrhf]

Hold your noses while you read this half-educated rant from some mucksavage at the Herald:

Planners are all-stars for putting GAA's noses out of joint over Casement

20 DECEMBER 2014 03:00 AM

In a week when the GAA suffered another blow to its monstrous ego with the refusal of the planning authorities in Belfast to grant permission for the extension of Casement Park, it was good to know that at least the powers-that-be in the UK don't allow these people to do as they want.

Naturally, the GAA were outraged as they'd already begun work on the project, assuming that - as is the case in this country - those in power wouldn't dare question the might of the organisation, but they had their noses well and truly bloodied on this one.

Funniest of all was that some hardliner went on BBC Norn Iron to bemoan that they were "entitled" (he actually used the word) to a new stadium, while others brought up the fact that failing to extend the ground could affect Ireland's bid for the Rugby World Cup.

Clearly the concept of irony hasn't taken hold up the road, given that it was the Ulster counties that were most adamant that 'foreign' sports shouldn't be let next nor near the hallowed turf of Croke Park, yet here they were complaining that the refusal of planning permission would affect a push for a rugby tournament. God, the sheer neck of that mob.

Back in the real world, The Beautiful Game provided plenty of entertainment off the field. We had the frankly hilarious story of former Aston Villa assistant manager Roy Keane (currently sitting on his hands until March when he resumes his duties as Martin O'Neill's sidekick in the Republic of Ireland set-up) going round to Villa midfielder Tom Cleverly's gaff and ringing the bell for a good half-hour. It seems that the ever-chilled Roy wanted a word with Cleverly to see if he'd been telling tales about the various spats at the Villa training ground before the Corkman walked away from his job as No2 to Paul Lambert.

Lambert, quite rightly, looked exasperated at Thursday's Villa press conference, fielding questions about someone who'd skipped out on a troubled club just before a vital league match. That someone no longer employed by the club should take up time at a media briefing is ridiculous but, then again, for Roy it's always been about Roy and to hell with everyone else.

We also had the truly great Thierry Henry announcing his retirement from the game to take up a very lucrative gig with Sky Sports, and fair play to him. During his career he was a joy to watch, one of the greatest and most graceful strikers we've seen in our lifetime, but, naturally, there were those who brought up that handball incident in Paris in 2009.

As usual, we had the "He cost us a spot in the World Cup" brigade out in force. Rather like the "RTE turned down Father Ted" crew, these people seemed to think that we were headed to South Africa when Henry - as any good professional player would have done - controlled the ball, twice, with his hand to set up William Gallas's goal. We weren't. We were on course for a penalty shootout, which is not the same as having your bags packed at all.

Anyway, while I, like every other football fan in the country, was absolutely livid at the time to the extent that I refused to drink French wine or eat in any of their over-rated restaurants for several months afterwards, Les Bleus' catastrophic implosion in South Africa wiped the slate clean. Enjoy your new gig, Thierry, you were a genuine legend, even though you played for Arsenal.

And finally, Hollywood was up in arms about how anonymous threats from "mysterious people on the internet" caused Sony Pictures to pull The Interview from its release schedules. Hmmh, a self-indulgent 'comedy' from Seth Rogen and James Franco about a plot to kill North Korean leader Kim Jong-un gets the chop. Thank you, "mysterious people on the internet", thank you.

At the risk of dignifying it with a response:

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he is not so far away from what many city people think of the gaa.

[JoG2]

Chrikers that's poor. And rte were never offered Ted :-)

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Joe Brollys view

http://gaeliclife.com/2014/12/joe-brolly-willie-joe-and-casement/

'Unfortunately for the Department of Planning, Mr Justice Horner QC knows a painted rose when he sees one. He is a man of absolute integrity. A sportsman and a sportsfan. He was a fine rugby player in his day. He understands the great importance of a new Casement Park. None of those matters are relevant. The Department took shortcuts and unfortunately for us, it is the Gaels of Ulster that are paying the price. There was no proper traffic impact assessment and no proper environmental impact assessment. Therefore the Department's decision is unlawful. End of.

It is important to note that, as the judge put it himself, his judgement has "nothing to do with the merits of the new stadium". He records that the evidence that the new stadium would sell out for certain matches and events was "convincing". He notes the potential of the stadium to "contribute to the regeneration of the greater Belfast area and the Andersonstown Road in particular". He makes it clear that there is no criticism of the GAA's approach. "The court rejects any suggestion, whether express or implied, of any improper behaviour on the part of ..the GAA". And he sets out in depressing terms, the state of Casement as it stands. "Today, it sits low slung and grey, marked with four columns of floodlights which tower over the ground and the surrounding area. Dejected, decrepit and dilapidated, its glory days long gone."

The residents' barrister David Scoffield was a prudent choice. He wrote the book on judicial review, which is always helpful. Indeed, in the course of his judgement, Mr Justice Horner refers to passages from that book. So although the residents original complaints were mostly groundless (and ended up being rejected) Mr Scoffield was never going to miss the nail and hit the wall. As Mr Justice Horner put it " No possible point or permutation of a point has been overlooked by counsel for the residents. I hope I do justice to the variety and ingenuity of his multifaceted arguments." His main submissions were precise and in essence unarguable. The law, don't you know, will set us free, and if it doesn't, the brilliant Mr Scoffield will.

The upshot is that the decision to grant the planning permission has been quashed. But it is a temporary victory for the residents. The suggestion by some, including Paddy Cunningham this week, that a 25,000 stadium is sufficient, is based on ignorance. It is a provincial stadium and therefore requires a baseline of 32,000 if it is to be viable. Not the home of Antrim GAA.

The home of Antrim and Ulster GAA, driving our projects into the future. Vital projects like a coaching task force for Belfast schools and Greater Belfast. Funded by a vibrant conference centre and stadium. An iconic place, designed by the architects of the world famous Velodrome, built for the London Olympics, acting as a financial driver for our ideals. It is a classic no brainer.

So, where are we? Well, here is the bottom line. The handful of residents have won a temporary victory. A new planning application will be submitted in the New Year. This time it will be bomb proof, following to the letter the judgement of His Lordship.

The Department will do things properly this time. Planning will be granted. We will have the stadium that we so badly need in this run down city. Just in time for the influx of commerce that will come hot on the heels of the reduction in corporation tax.'

- See more at: http://gaeliclife.com/2014/12/joe-brolly-willie-joe-and-casement/#sthash.m1TRmhJe.dpuf

[orangeman]

So which is it ?

25k isn't viable according to Padraig. Joe says 32k is viable - the Gaa say viability is reached at 38k.

Where are the figures to support these claims ?. Publish them and blow the residents out of the water.

[ONeill]

Seems to be based on the predicted Ulster final attendance which in recent years has been anything between 28000-34000

[NaomhBridAbú]

Unfortunately for the Department of Planning, Mr Justice Horner QC knows a painted rose when he sees one. He is a man of absolute integrity. A sportsman and a sportsfan. He was a fine rugby player in his day. SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BALL_LAPPING HERE THEN JOE?He understands the great importance of a new Casement Park. None of those matters are relevant. The Department took shortcuts and unfortunately for us, it is the Gaels of Ulster that are paying the price. There was no proper traffic impact assessment and no proper environmental impact assessment. Therefore the Department's decision is unlawful. End of.
NO MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THE ULSTER COUNCIL WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT - ULSTER COUNCIL HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MESS...none more so than the one-man walking bill board that is RYAN FEENEY

It is important to note that, as the judge put it himself, his judgement has "nothing to do with the merits of the new stadium". He records that the evidence that the new stadium would sell out for certain matches and events was "convincing". He notes the potential of the stadium to "contribute to the regeneration of the greater Belfast area and the Andersonstown Road in particular". He makes it clear that there is no criticism of the GAA's approach. WELL, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME CRITICISM JOE - the bullied and battered away at the locals like that did in CORK, DUBLIN...

"The court rejects any suggestion, whether express or implied, of any improper behaviour on the part of ..the GAA". And he sets out in depressing terms, the state of Casement as it stands. "Today, it sits low slung and grey, marked with four columns of floodlights which tower over the ground and the surrounding area. Dejected, decrepit and dilapidated, its glory days long gone."

The residents' barrister David Scoffield was a prudent choice. He wrote the book on judicial review, which is always helpful. Indeed, in the course of his judgement, Mr Justice Horner refers to passages from that book. So although the residents original complaints were mostly ..."mostly"...NEED TO ELABORATE ON THIS JOE...LOOKS LIKE AN ATTEMPT YET AGAIN TO DEFLECT FROM THE FACT THAT THE VIEWS OF MORA WERE NOT FULLY LISTENED TO groundless (and ended up being rejected) Mr Scoffield was never going to miss the nail and hit the wall. As Mr Justice Horner put it " No possible point or permutation of a point has been overlooked by counsel for the residents. I hope I do justice to the variety and ingenuity of his multifaceted arguments." His main submissions were precise and in essence unarguable. The law, don't you know, will set us free, and if it doesn't, the brilliant Mr Scoffield will.

The upshot is that the decision to grant the planning permission has been quashed. But it is a temporary victory for the residents. The suggestion by some, including Paddy Cunningham this week, that a 25,000 stadium is sufficient, is base...ANOTHER PERSONAL ATTACK JOE...GOOD MAN...BUT WHY IS IT IGNORANT TO SUGGEST A SMALLER CAPACITY WHEN IT IS NUMINGLY OBVIOUS THAT THE ONE PRESENTED WAS TOO BIG?

The home of Antrim and Ulster GAA, driving our projects into the future. Vital projects like a coaching task force for Belfast schools and Greater Belfast. Funded by a vibrant conference centre and stadium. WHAT THE f**k DO YOU KNOW ABOUT CORPORATE HOSPITALITY SALES JOE?

An iconic place, designed by the architects of the world famous Velodrome, built for the London Olympics, acting as a financial driver for our ideals. It is a classic no brainer.

So, where are we? Well, here is the bottom line. The handful of residents have won a temporary victory. THE HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS ARE HUMANS JOE...MAYBE EVEN GAA FANS TOO...YET YOU STILL CHOSE TO BE SO CONTEMPTUOUS OF THEIR BASIC RIGHTS A new planning application will be submitted in the New Year. This time it will be bomb proof, following to the letter the judgement of His Lordship.

The Department will do things properly this time. WILL THE GAA DO THE RIGHT THING THIS TIME TOO? MAYBE SHAKE THE CASEMENT TEAM UP A BIT - the less me-feiners the better, eh JOE? Planning will be granted. We will have the stadium that we so badly need in this run down city. Just in time for the influx of commerce that will come hot on the heels of the reduction in corporation tax.'

[muppet]

Hold your noses while you read this half-educated rant from some mucksavage at the Herald:

Planners are all-stars for putting GAA's noses out of joint over Casement

20 DECEMBER 2014 03:00 AM

In a week when the GAA suffered another blow to its monstrous ego with the refusal of the planning authorities in Belfast to grant permission for the extension of Casement Park, it was good to know that at least the powers-that-be in the UK don't allow these people to do as they want.

Naturally, the GAA were outraged as they'd already begun work on the project, assuming that - as is the case in this country - those in power wouldn't dare question the might of the organisation, but they had their noses well and truly bloodied on this one.

Funniest of all was that some hardliner went on BBC Norn Iron to bemoan that they were "entitled" (he actually used the word) to a new stadium, while others brought up the fact that failing to extend the ground could affect Ireland's bid for the Rugby World Cup.

Clearly the concept of irony hasn't taken hold up the road, given that it was the Ulster counties that were most adamant that 'foreign' sports shouldn't be let next nor near the hallowed turf of Croke Park, yet here they were complaining that the refusal of planning permission would affect a push for a rugby tournament. God, the sheer neck of that mob.

Back in the real world, The Beautiful Game provided plenty of entertainment off the field. We had the frankly hilarious story of former Aston Villa assistant manager Roy Keane (currently sitting on his hands until March when he resumes his duties as Martin O'Neill's sidekick in the Republic of Ireland set-up) going round to Villa midfielder Tom Cleverly's gaff and ringing the bell for a good half-hour. It seems that the ever-chilled Roy wanted a word with Cleverly to see if he'd been telling tales about the various spats at the Villa training ground before the Corkman walked away from his job as No2 to Paul Lambert.

Lambert, quite rightly, looked exasperated at Thursday's Villa press conference, fielding questions about someone who'd skipped out on a troubled club just before a vital league match. That someone no longer employed by the club should take up time at a media briefing is ridiculous but, then again, for Roy it's always been about Roy and to hell with everyone else.

We also had the truly great Thierry Henry announcing his retirement from the game to take up a very lucrative gig with Sky Sports, and fair play to him. During his career he was a joy to watch, one of the greatest and most graceful strikers we've seen in our lifetime, but, naturally, there were those who brought up that handball incident in Paris in 2009.

As usual, we had the "He cost us a spot in the World Cup" brigade out in force. Rather like the "RTE turned down Father Ted" crew, these people seemed to think that we were headed to South Africa when Henry - as any good professional player would have done - controlled the ball, twice, with his hand to set up William Gallas's goal. We weren't. We were on course for a penalty shootout, which is not the same as having your bags packed at all.

Anyway, while I, like every other football fan in the country, was absolutely livid at the time to the extent that I refused to drink French wine or eat in any of their over-rated restaurants for several months afterwards, Les Bleus' catastrophic implosion in South Africa wiped the slate clean. Enjoy your new gig, Thierry, you were a genuine legend, even though you played for Arsenal.

And finally, Hollywood was up in arms about how anonymous threats from "mysterious people on the internet" caused Sony Pictures to pull The Interview from its release schedules. Hmmh, a self-indulgent 'comedy' from Seth Rogen and James Franco about a plot to kill North Korean leader Kim Jong-un gets the chop. Thank you, "mysterious people on the internet", thank you.

At the risk of dignifying it with a response:

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This isn't meant to be taken seriously. 

The arguments are meant to be farcical for entertainment purposes. It is like a poor attempt at Ross O'Carroll-Kelly or a faux Fox News item.

[6th sam]

Seems to be based on the predicted Ulster final attendance which in recent years has been anything between 28000-34000

Even throughout the recession years the attendance has been ~30k. The Croke park Ulster final was ?~60k.
Clones though a great venue in many ways, suffers from a poor infrastructure.
Casement is in Belfast, the country's second largest city , with nearby railway, and less than a mile from the motorway with easy access northwards to Antrim, Derry and Donegal, and South to the rest of the Ulster counties.
The proposed 38k stadium will have comparable or better amenities(shops,bars) than Croke or Aviva, and as in the case of modern stadiums , the attractiveness and uniqueness of the "state of the art" facility, will attract greater and more diverse support, not least from the local West Belfast area. This will potentially revitalise GAA support in our second city, in the way that new Croke park is packed with Dubs supporters , who are not traditional GAA supporters, but who have invigorated our summers over the last few years.
Casement is an iconic venue steeped in history, and it would be a tragedy if it is mothballed or worse still obliterated.
Importantly 38k capacity will make more Ulster finals tickets available , and with economies of scale, probably cheaper tickets.
For the reasons highlighted, I have no doubt that the 38k capacity will be a sellout, at least once every year. Therefore anything less than this capacity would be wholly inadequate for our provincial stadium.
These presumably are some of the reasons that the GAA is adamant that a 38k stadium in Belfast is a must for their optimal strategic development.
More importantly in my view , it would give West Belfast, the  break that it deserves after years of deprivation and underinvestment.
Absolutely , respect the genuine concerns of local residents, but tasteful appropriate development in this area is a must, not just for GAA supporters but for the whole community in Belfast !

[armaghniac]

NO MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THE ULSTER COUNCIL WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT - ULSTER COUNCIL HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MESS...none more so than the one-man walking bill board that is RYAN FEENEY

The GAA wanted planning approval, it is ridiculous to suggest that they should know better than the prfessional planners and their department as to what was required to meet the planning law.

ANOTHER PERSONAL ATTACK JOE...GOOD MAN...BUT WHY IS IT IGNORANT TO SUGGEST A SMALLER CAPACITY WHEN IT IS NUMINGLY OBVIOUS THAT THE ONE PRESENTED WAS TOO BIG?

It is ignorant to suggest that a capacity that is not fit for the purpose is a reasonable solution.

THE HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS ARE HUMANS JOE...MAYBE EVEN GAA FANS TOO...YET YOU STILL CHOSE TO BE SO CONTEMPTUOUS OF THEIR BASIC RIGHTS

It can hardly have escaped the notice of these residents in the last 61 years that they have chosen to live beside a stadium designed to be used for Ulster finals. The upgrade is simply the modern standard required for such games.

It is a bit like the NIMBYs living along the A5, "it doesn't need to be dual carriageway, a single carriageway will do", "the existing road is good enough","we don't need an autobahn in Tyrone".

[NaomhBridAbú]

NO MENTION OF THE FACT THAT THE ULSTER COUNCIL WOULD HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT - ULSTER COUNCIL HAVE A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MESS...none more so than the one-man walking bill board that is RYAN FEENEY

The GAA wanted planning approval, it is ridiculous to suggest that they should know better than the prfessional planners and their department as to what was required to meet the planning law.

Thats NOT what i have suggested. I stand by my assertion that the ULSTER GAA should share in this abject failure, and Brolly in his piece ignores that fact.

ANOTHER PERSONAL ATTACK JOE...GOOD MAN...BUT WHY IS IT IGNORANT TO SUGGEST A SMALLER CAPACITY WHEN IT IS NUMINGLY OBVIOUS THAT THE ONE PRESENTED WAS TOO BIG?

It is ignorant to suggest that a capacity that is not fit for the purpose is a reasonable solution.
The stadium as presented doesn't offer enough entry/exit points from a health and safety perspective. the location has always been a mess even on good days and with crowds in their 15,000s....I have been to games with modest attendances there and the cars are parked up the M1? What the f**k is that about?

THE HANDFUL OF RESIDENTS ARE HUMANS JOE...MAYBE EVEN GAA FANS TOO...YET YOU STILL CHOSE TO BE SO CONTEMPTUOUS OF THEIR BASIC RIGHTS

It can hardly have escaped the notice of these residents in the last 61 years that they have chosen to live beside a stadium designed to be used for Ulster finals. The upgrade is simply the modern standard required for such games.

It is a bit like the NIMBYs living along the A5, "it doesn't need to be dual carriageway, a single carriageway will do", "the existing road is good enough","we don't need an autobahn in Tyrone".


Not sure what a NIMBY is but have always felt that people are entitled to have their view heard...easy for cultchies, of which i am one, to say "sure thon stadium is grand and f**k the residents" when I don't actually live there.
The GAA has a fine pedigree in railroading the less-advantaged (or those who don't work in PR, for example...) and MORA is the most recent example

[Bensars]

Seems to be based on the predicted Ulster final attendance which in recent years has been anything between 28000-34000

Even throughout the recession years the attendance has been ~30k. The Croke park Ulster final was ?~60k.
Clones though a great venue in many ways, suffers from a poor infrastructure.
Casement is in Belfast, the country's second largest city , with nearby railway, and less than a mile from the motorway with easy access northwards to Antrim, Derry and Donegal, and South to the rest of the Ulster counties.
The proposed 38k stadium will have comparable or better amenities(shops,bars) than Croke or Aviva, and as in the case of modern stadiums , the attractiveness and uniqueness of the "state of the art" facility, will attract greater and more diverse support, not least from the local West Belfast area. This will potentially revitalise GAA support in our second city, in the way that new Croke park is packed with Dubs supporters , who are not traditional GAA supporters, but who have invigorated our summers over the last few years.
Casement is an iconic venue steeped in history, and it would be a tragedy if it is mothballed or worse still obliterated.
Importantly 38k capacity will make more Ulster finals tickets available , and with economies of scale, probably cheaper tickets.
For the reasons highlighted, I have no doubt that the 38k capacity will be a sellout, at least once every year. Therefore anything less than this capacity would be wholly inadequate for our provincial stadium.
These presumably are some of the reasons that the GAA is adamant that a 38k stadium in Belfast is a must for their optimal strategic development.
More importantly in my view , it would give West Belfast, the  break that it deserves after years of deprivation and underinvestment.
Absolutely , respect the genuine concerns of local residents, but tasteful appropriate development in this area is a must, not just for GAA supporters but for the whole community in Belfast !

How has that worked out over the last 10 years in Croke Park with increased capacity to 82k ?

[armaghniac]

The increased capacity in Croke Park has certainly facilitated the introduction of season ticket schemes and the like and there has been some good deals for tickets for non finals. 

[Bensars]

The increased capacity in Croke Park has certainly facilitated the introduction of season ticket schemes and the like and there has been some good deals for tickets for non finals. 

Possibly, but you will only have a handful of games in casement at best. The deals are to facilitate increased sales for games where capacity is under utilised, if you think it is for the good of the patron, then you are very naive.