Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

Started by Joxer, October 06, 2010, 02:42:28 PM

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Kidder81

Quote from: illdecide on March 05, 2024, 09:53:36 PMIf they're a host Nation they do not need to qualify...that's my understanding.

Don't think that's the case when it's spread over a few countries

Tyrone Dreamer

They're talking about all 5 countries entering qualification. Two spots will be held back for whoever doesn't qualify via that route. So if only two
Qualify via qualification one host will miss out on the euros.

RadioGAAGAA

In some better news, I gather the proposed design is not all-seater, or at least, not after its converted for GAA use after its initial Euros compatible format.

Whether there is the money to carry out that rejig is another matter.

i usse an speelchekor

Armagh18

Seems abit silly to get rid of a whole load of seats does it not?

snoopdog

Why downgrade from an all seater to put in a terrace for a couple of thousand more bodies. When will it ever get over 30k.

Dreadnought

I think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.

JPGJOHNNYG

Quote from: Dreadnought on March 06, 2024, 09:00:52 AMI think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.

No it will be just the same footprint but one end that was originally planned to be fully terrace will have seats for the euros due to UEFA criteria but post euros can have the seats removed and rails for terracing then placed bringing capacity back up from 30000 to 34500

Dreadnought

Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on March 06, 2024, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on March 06, 2024, 09:00:52 AMI think this refers to the temporary seating required for the Euros. As they don't need such a large field for soccer games, they will have a method of installing seats in sections that will be come over some of the GAA pitch. I think this would mean that an initial section of the main stands at pitch level will be terracing to allow these sections of seats to be installed, linking into the main stand itself.

No it will be just the same footprint but one end that was originally planned to be fully terrace will have seats for the euros due to UEFA criteria but post euros can have the seats removed and rails for terracing then placed bringing capacity back up from 30000 to 34500
Ah right so. There is allowance for temp seats to go further into the field and not have the pitch so big for soccer, right? I recall reading that before

seafoid

Quote from: snoopdog on February 23, 2024, 08:42:08 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 23, 2024, 07:00:58 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 22, 2024, 11:48:29 PMPretty much the only thing I've seen about estimated cost of the stadium anywhere was the bit below from the Examiner.

QuoteSome projections claim the final cost of reconstruction of the Euro 2028 venue will be in excess of £225m. The GAA's first commitment of £15m was roughly 20% of the original £77.5m outlay, which was estimated last July to have jumped to £168m.

Based on that I'd say £168m was an absolute basement price - this was before the Euros were confirmed and that time pressure (plus the extras UEFA insist on which will cost a bit more) is only going to affect the price one way. Throw in the fact that Leo and co pitched up with €50million already make me think the cost will be over the £200 million mark. The key question is what sort of funding London is going to actually hand over.
My fear is that at the end of the day Ulster GAA are going to be the ones left carrying the can for any cost over-runs, especially if the stadium isn't done in time for the Euros. The nightmare scenario is that the stadium doesn't get finished in time for the Euros and London turns off the money tap and Ulster GAA are left with a stadium that will costs millions to finish that Ulster GAA don't have.   

In related news was talking to someone this evening and they were saying the Cork County Board chairperson was on radio this morning and part of the disussion was about ownership of Pairc Ui Chaoimh being taken over by the government and being turned into a multi-use stadium. Said the current ongoing debt situation just wasn't sustainable.
If the Brits are ponying up it won't be an exclusively GAA stadium so soccer matches will probably be played it it.
Norn iron will only play there if they qualify for euros. Their fans don't want to go near casement. It might get a ROI match or 2. Ulster rugby might play a few games there also. IRFU COULD PLAY SOME OF THEIR novembee friendlies, It could get a europa league/ Conference finals. But very few soccer games will be there I'd say post the Euros.
I wonder. I was looking at Galway vs Monaghan in Clones on Sunday. Clones has the tradition but it doesn't have what Casement will have .
https://www.casementpark.ie/design/video-flythrough/

It doesn't have corporate boxes and modern restaurants and bars and the opportunity to watch the match with your pint. Casement will have more seated capacity and a better punter experience than Pairc Windsor.

The IFA will make more money for disadvantaged loyalist  soccer clubs if they play matches in Casement . Sectarianism is also about money . Ask any drug dealing UDA member
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Mad Mentor

I notice from the fly through there are no 65m lines on the pitch. Gotta say it looks good though.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Mad Mentor on March 07, 2024, 02:36:13 PMI notice from the fly through there are no 65m lines on the pitch. Gotta say it looks good though.
Aye it does look class but it would need to when you hear the budget. Didn't notice anything re. corporate boxes but it way my understanding that these would be in place as a moneyspinner.

trailer

Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 07, 2024, 02:56:28 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on March 07, 2024, 02:36:13 PMI notice from the fly through there are no 65m lines on the pitch. Gotta say it looks good though.
Aye it does look class but it would need to when you hear the budget. Didn't notice anything re. corporate boxes but it way my understanding that these would be in place as a moneyspinner.

There's like a middle tier and I'd imagine they'll be in there. I'd buy 2 premium tickets for sure.

seafoid

This is the IFA's accounts for 2022

Check out page 10

https://www.irishfa.com/media/48131/irish-football-association-limited-2022-annual-report-and-financial-statements.pdf

There is a chart near the bottom on the left. Match day income is £3 million which is peanuts. This includes all the revenue from the Billy Bingham suite.
Total income was £17 million.

There is another chart on page 10 on the right. Spending
Total grants £3 million.  This presumably goes to soccer clubs in the North.

Windsor Park is like Clones. Ticket prices are lower and attendances are lower than they would be at the new Casement. Capacity of WP is 18,500.
They don't even sell tickets on the website because they can't meet demand and they have a waiting list.
https://www.irishfa.com/tickets
I would be very surprised if they didn't play all their home matches in Casement.

They can't fight the GAA for hearts and minds if they don't have any money. God love them.
 

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Duine Inteacht Eile

Quote from: seafoid on March 07, 2024, 04:57:27 PMThis is the IFA's accounts for 2022

Check out page 10

https://www.irishfa.com/media/48131/irish-football-association-limited-2022-annual-report-and-financial-statements.pdf

There is a chart near the bottom on the left. Match day income is £3 million which is peanuts. This includes all the revenue from the Billy Bingham suite.
Total income was £17 million.

There is another chart on page 10 on the right. Spending
Total grants £3 million.  This presumably goes to soccer clubs in the North.

Windsor Park is like Clones. Ticket prices are lower and attendances are lower than they would be at the new Casement. Capacity of WP is 18,500.
They don't even sell tickets on the website because they can't meet demand and they have a waiting list.
https://www.irishfa.com/tickets
I would be very surprised if they didn't play all their home matches in Casement.

They can't fight the GAA for hearts and minds if they don't have any money. God love them.
 


Be prepared to be very surprised then because this has zero chance of happening.

1. Because they won't want to.
2. Because the GAA will not allow it.

seafoid

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 07, 2024, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 07, 2024, 04:57:27 PMThis is the IFA's accounts for 2022

Check out page 10

https://www.irishfa.com/media/48131/irish-football-association-limited-2022-annual-report-and-financial-statements.pdf

There is a chart near the bottom on the left. Match day income is £3 million which is peanuts. This includes all the revenue from the Billy Bingham suite.
Total income was £17 million.

There is another chart on page 10 on the right. Spending
Total grants £3 million.  This presumably goes to soccer clubs in the North.

Windsor Park is like Clones. Ticket prices are lower and attendances are lower than they would be at the new Casement. Capacity of WP is 18,500.
They don't even sell tickets on the website because they can't meet demand and they have a waiting list.
https://www.irishfa.com/tickets
I would be very surprised if they didn't play all their home matches in Casement.

They can't fight the GAA for hearts and minds if they don't have any money. God love them.
 


Be prepared to be very surprised then because this has zero chance of happening.

1. Because they won't want to.
2. Because the GAA will not allow it.

I'll just leave this here :

https://www.irishfa.com/media/48131/irish-football-association-limited-2022-annual-report-and-financial-statements.pdf
The strategic financial objective of the Irish FA is to maximise its revenue so that it can invest more
into the mission of promoting, fostering and developing football for all in Northern Ireland. The Irish
FA aims to reinvest every pound generated back into supporting football in Northern Ireland. Our corporate strategy, 'A Roadmap for Football', states that "growing revenue means growing the game".


"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU