Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[From the Bunker]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

[Wildweasel74]

How many big gaa games will be in it, in a year, Antrim home games [small crowd) say 3/4, Ulster championship semi/Final, few qualifiers. Ulster club finals possible 1 semi, what we looking at 10, at the most? Value for money?

[Armagh18]

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Bit of a myth that one.

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association's stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan's GAAconomics.

"That's an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or €5,000 paying €6 each would do it."

You've mixed my reply up there with someone else can you edit there please?

[Tyrone Dreamer]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Soccer and rugby got their grounds redeveloped (albeit at a lower price) and they are getting the benefit of that revenue. Similarly they have got the benefit of long term funding over the gaa. Soccer in particular has benefited from hundreds of council funded pitches. It will also benefit from the Euro's being played there - serious opportunity for exposure for the game locally.

As noted already on the thread the local community will benefit from the stadium through money spent in the area both in terms of match days and concerts etc. There'd be serious money generated in the city from major concerts.

[From the Bunker]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Soccer and rugby got their grounds redeveloped (albeit at a lower price) and they are getting the benefit of that revenue. Similarly they have got the benefit of long term funding over the gaa. Soccer in particular has benefited from hundreds of council funded pitches. It will also benefit from the Euro's being played there - serious opportunity for exposure for the game locally.

As noted already on the thread the local community will benefit from the stadium through money spent in the area both in terms of match days and concerts etc. There'd be serious money generated in the city from major concerts.

So there won't be any Soccer (other than the Euros) or Rugby played there.

[Armagh18]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Soccer and rugby got their grounds redeveloped (albeit at a lower price) and they are getting the benefit of that revenue. Similarly they have got the benefit of long term funding over the gaa. Soccer in particular has benefited from hundreds of council funded pitches. It will also benefit from the Euro's being played there - serious opportunity for exposure for the game locally.

As noted already on the thread the local community will benefit from the stadium through money spent in the area both in terms of match days and concerts etc. There'd be serious money generated in the city from major concerts.

So there won't be any Soccer (other than the Euros) or Rugby played there.

Would there be any need? Doubt the north would get a big enough game. Maybe part of a rugby world cup bid at some stage down the line?

[armaghniac]

Would there be any need? Doubt the north would get a big enough game. Maybe part of a rugby world cup bid at some stage down the line?

I'd say a rugby world cup would be fairly certain, at some stage. There aren't many rugby countries.

[Dougal Maguire]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Ulster Rugby, IFA got the same deal with no financial contribution. Hampden, Millennium Stadium and Wembley all got loads of public sector funding.

[square_ball]

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Bit of a myth that one.

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association's stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan's GAAconomics.

"That's an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or €5,000 paying €6 each would do it."

You've mixed my reply up there with someone else can you edit there please?

You said you read it was 60000 tickets to break even at Croke Park. I replied with a quote outlining that that was incorrect. No mix up on my part there.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

There is a fundamental mix up on your part.

[Dreadnought]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Where exactly are you lost?

Where I am lost is that the wider community are paying the Bill for this yet the GAA hold the Keys and reap the profits, while basically getting a new stadium all to themselves.
I thought this stadium was for all the community? That it would be ran by an Independent Management Company.
Sure you cant expect the Soccer or to a lesser extent Rugby to be comfortable under such an arrangement?

Yes. Is this honestly hard to understand. Sport is a massive net benefit to both the community and the exchequer/government. Government benefits hugely from a) the building work, b) events held locally, people spending money, c) health benefits of raising interest in sport.

The government SHOULD absolutely pay into capital projects in this as they have vested interests and they make it back many fold in what sport does for the economy and community at large. And all profits by the sporting organisation tends to be ploughed back in to the community. GAA puts back in 87p of every quid it gets in. Governments know it is in their interest to support and fund sport capital projects, and not to be the one in receipt of profits as they make it back anyway without hindering or handicapping the sport itself. Jeez, can we actually think about this for an actual minute?

[Armagh18]

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Bit of a myth that one.

Many had been led to believe that the GAA required a crowd of 30,000 in Croke Park to financially break even on the day but this school of thought was rubbished by the association's stadium and commercial director Peter McKenna in Michael Moynihan's GAAconomics.

"That's an urban myth. It costs between €40,000 and €120,000 to open the stadium and we often open it at a loss. The break-even figure? For the smallest crowd, it would be €30,000 so 10,000 people paying €3 each, or €5,000 paying €6 each would do it."

You've mixed my reply up there with someone else can you edit there please?

You said you read it was 60000 tickets to break even at Croke Park. I replied with a quote outlining that that was incorrect. No mix up on my part there.

If you read back my message was. "Would love to know where on earth the price of 60k tickets is spent on that tbh."

I was replying to someone else who said it took 60k tickets to break even which I find hard to believe

[illdecide]

Reading thru these comments would depress the fu*K outta ya. People want it, people don't want. People want a smaller one and People want a smaller one with conditions. The price is £300m, it's £10m a year to run and it's sectarian. Croke Park stated themselves they need something in the region of 32,000 to break even. How does this jump to 60,000, it's like the costing for the stadium it just keeps jumping up every time someone opens their cake-hole

What alternatives to we have here...

This can only happen at Casement so rule out any other venue (that's the deal...so deal with it)

Go with the proposed design and ask the Brits for dosh to complete it ( a drop in the Ocean to them)

Get it re-designed to 18,000  and tell everyone else to F*ck off )including N Ireland Football and Euros) and wait to 2032 for it to be built and yes you've guessed it, it's now £200m because the costs have went up...Ohh wait we haven't the money for that...

Scrap everything and cancel the stadium, let Antrim feck off and when you gather up a few quid pump it into Clones

My favourite one of all (which is just fantasy btw). Irish Government pay for the rest and get her built, come the time of the Euros tell N Ireland to go suck your b@lls you can't use it because we don't like you very much and let ROI use it instead. That would prob lead to Civil War.

[Armagh18]

Will the 6 counties even qualify? What way was it left if not all 5 hosts qualify?

[illdecide]

If they're a host Nation they do not need to qualify...that's my understanding.