Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[RedHand88]

Could money be raised via public/private partnership, like the motorways or is thst a millstone for 25 years.

I suppose it would need a lot of events to keep that going.

Sure if you can raise a couple of hundred million in a few months go ahead.

[johnnycool]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

Evertons new stadium is 55K and it's costing £500M.

Some QS or other reckons it would cost just over £200M to build Casement if it was purely specified for GAA games, but if you add in the additional requirements for a UEFA spec'd stadium then it could cost closer to £300M to complete.

If there's grounds for the GAA to negotiate on the grounds that this additional spend  to upgrade to UEFA specification is not something they should have to foot then IMO they'd be well within their rights.

Obviously they aren't footing it. They aren't budging beyond £15m.

They are also treading a tightrope of "No bother, we'll use one of the good to go grounds we have on the reserve list."

That's a starting position that £15M, I'd hardly expect Jarlath to come out and say that Antrim GAA are going to cough up another £30M or the likes.

A decade later, this is our "starting position"?

Well you being an Antrim man/person are you aware of any fundraising initiatives from Antrim CB towards this?

[p3427977]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

Evertons new stadium is 55K and it's costing £500M.

Some QS or other reckons it would cost just over £200M to build Casement if it was purely specified for GAA games, but if you add in the additional requirements for a UEFA spec'd stadium then it could cost closer to £300M to complete.

If there's grounds for the GAA to negotiate on the grounds that this additional spend  to upgrade to UEFA specification is not something they should have to foot then IMO they'd be well within their rights.

Obviously they aren't footing it. They aren't budging beyond £15m.

They are also treading a tightrope of "No bother, we'll use one of the good to go grounds we have on the reserve list."

That's a starting position that £15M, I'd hardly expect Jarlath to come out and say that Antrim GAA are going to cough up another £30M or the likes.

A decade later, this is our "starting position"?

Well you being an Antrim man/person are you aware of any fundraising initiatives from Antrim CB towards this?

Why would Antrim fundraise for a stadium that isn't theirs.

[trailer]

So Gordon Lyons met with Stuart Andrew UK sports minister and never even discussed Casement. This is what we are dealing with. They'd rather no Euros and No Casement than see "the other side" benefit. The cost is an absolute red herring.

[Rossfan]

If the Brits don't stump up a load of their GBPs there will be no UEFA standard stadium and no 2028 Euro Soccer Finals games in the IFA territory.
There will be £80m (possibly plus our €50m) to build a GAA Stadium of whatever size/standard can be done for that.

[AustinPowers]

So Gordon Lyons met with Stuart Andrew UK sports minister and never even discussed Casement. This is what we are dealing with. They'd rather no Euros and No Casement than see "the other side" benefit. The cost is an absolute red herring.

Ever since  Casement was back on the cards  again,  unionists have rabbited on  about the   funding for  local soccer .

why is that only an issue for them now ? (Or was I not paying attention  previously?)

[general_lee]

So Gordon Lyons met with Stuart Andrew UK sports minister and never even discussed Casement. This is what we are dealing with. They'd rather no Euros and No Casement than see "the other side" benefit. The cost is an absolute red herring.

Ever since  Casement was back on the cards  again,  unionists have rabbited on  about the   funding for the local soccer game.

why is that only an issue for them now ? (Or was I not paying attention  previously?)

Think they may have been promised funding for local stadia which is besides the point as they gave zero fucks when Linfield FC's ground was pumped full of public money.

[Applesisapples]

If Casement doesn't happen due to bigotry and sectarianism then that truly will be the final nail in the coffin for Northern Ireland.  Nolan, Alistair etc just can't see that.

It's estimated to cost around 4 times the original £77m. The GAA refuse to budge on the £15m they pledged 15 years ago.
But bigotry & sectarianism....

Why would they offer more, the actual site is worth money, easy for  the GAA to see casement for private housing and build elsewhere. It was not their fault that it wasn't built and Rugby gave nothing and the IFA not much more. The GAA re-invests every penny in the grass roots more than can be said for either Rugby or Soccer.

[Applesisapples]

You are all getting your knickers in a twist...the cost is pure speculation and people have added £120m to it in 2 weeks, I'll not be surprised it's Unionist led. The cost will more likely be £180-£200m which is estimated, the Principal Contractor will likely get a few more million from CE's and EW's etc. Until it's tendered and prices come back everyone is just picking a number and doubling it.
If I'm wrong and it is £300m (which i doubt) then lets look at it again and reduce it or whatever it takes but until then stop guessing the price and wait and see. Material prices have roughly doubled and salaries too in 12 years or so, on that basis and the initial costing of £80m i'm guessing (and adding another bit to it) is between £180m-£200m

Why do you say that? Do you have a figure that you wouldn't go past? No, the cost does not bother me.

I'm taking from your post that it's somewhere between £200m and £300m? I'm basing my estimate on salaries and material costs from it's initial costing. As above i'm going for £180m - £200m

My view is the stadium needs built. For Antrim and for West Belfast, I would love to have what they're proposing and be proud of it. Showing it off to the World. However, if that is not feasible then get something built that is. I would love nothing more than the Irish Government to stomp up the additional money for this just to rub the bitter bastids noses in it, that would send them over the edge.
If this stadium is never built as stated above this money will not go to Health and infrastructure as it's a different pot of money, if they were to do that it would be a grain of sand to their budget and wouldn't change a thing.

Lovely sentiment, but Antrim GAA leadership gave it away which was unforgivable.  I see no guarantee that Antrim will have much access to it in future. It really is a shambles of the highest order.  The posters who said it 'will' be built and the money 'will' be found - it looks like a bigger mess than ever now.

It wasn't Antrim GAA's to give, all GAA grounds are vested in the association.

[Applesisapples]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Essentially yes. However having those events add in to the local economy in many ways. Hence why government should indeed be adding more in. As they are a beneficiary in those many ways. Including the actual building of the thing too. The 300 million being quoted is quite mad as it seems to have no substantiation, and fits a certain narrative for the 'other side'. Cost even in that was said to be likely to be far lower and closer to the 200 million mark. And either way, like said, a building project like this is not the incineration of money. It adds in to the local economy massively, and is then there for generations afterwards to make money.

Should say though, that rental cost should be looked at and be right for what's needed. Let's say Ulster Rugby need it for a big European knockout match that otherwise would have went to Dublin. Rental cost should be what it costs to open it and maintain for the event with no losses. But should not be making huge profits off others like this considering government input. Take concert event promoters for every penny you can get though...

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

If Casement doesn't happen due to bigotry and sectarianism then that truly will be the final nail in the coffin for Northern Ireland.  Nolan, Alistair etc just can't see that.

It's estimated to cost around 4 times the original £77m. The GAA refuse to budge on the £15m they pledged 15 years ago.
But bigotry & sectarianism....

Why would they offer more, the actual site is worth money, easy for  the GAA to see casement for private housing and build elsewhere. It was not their fault that it wasn't built and Rugby gave nothing and the IFA not much more. The GAA re-invests every penny in the grass roots more than can be said for either Rugby or Soccer.

Why would anyone else then? The GAA have a bottom line figure that they won't budge on. Fair enough but it's hard to complain that another body has too.

Also, it was not their fault it wasn't built? That's right. Everyone else is to blame for that.

[Applesisapples]

If Casement doesn't happen due to bigotry and sectarianism then that truly will be the final nail in the coffin for Northern Ireland.  Nolan, Alistair etc just can't see that.

It's estimated to cost around 4 times the original £77m. The GAA refuse to budge on the £15m they pledged 15 years ago.
But bigotry & sectarianism....

Why would they offer more, the actual site is worth money, easy for  the GAA to see casement for private housing and build elsewhere. It was not their fault that it wasn't built and Rugby gave nothing and the IFA not much more. The GAA re-invests every penny in the grass roots more than can be said for either Rugby or Soccer.

Why would anyone else then? The GAA have a bottom line figure that they won't budge on. Fair enough but it's hard to complain that another body has too.

Also, it was not their fault it wasn't built? That's right. Everyone else is to blame for that.

It comes down to a question of fairness and 100 years of GAA and indeed nationalist communities get SFA from the government, except hassle from the UDR.Look at most GAA clubs and see those years of investment in the community.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

To be honest the sensible answer is both GAA and stormont up the money from what 15 million and 62.5 million in 2010 is in today's money. I'm guessing that will bring us up to around 115 million plus 45 from Dublin. £160mill is a pretty good sum to build a decent stadium. If the euros is such a biggy then London delivers the rest but I'm at the point where I couldn't give a stuff about the euros

[trailer]

If Casement doesn't happen due to bigotry and sectarianism then that truly will be the final nail in the coffin for Northern Ireland.  Nolan, Alistair etc just can't see that.

It's estimated to cost around 4 times the original £77m. The GAA refuse to budge on the £15m they pledged 15 years ago.
But bigotry & sectarianism....

Why would they offer more, the actual site is worth money, easy for  the GAA to see casement for private housing and build elsewhere. It was not their fault that it wasn't built and Rugby gave nothing and the IFA not much more. The GAA re-invests every penny in the grass roots more than can be said for either Rugby or Soccer.

Why would anyone else then? The GAA have a bottom line figure that they won't budge on. Fair enough but it's hard to complain that another body has too.

Also, it was not their fault it wasn't built? That's right. Everyone else is to blame for that.

Hold on. The GAA were 100% committed to a shared stadium and rowed in behind that committing games and money. It was not the GAA's fault it got pulled.

[Dreadnought]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Essentially yes. However having those events add in to the local economy in many ways. Hence why government should indeed be adding more in. As they are a beneficiary in those many ways. Including the actual building of the thing too. The 300 million being quoted is quite mad as it seems to have no substantiation, and fits a certain narrative for the 'other side'. Cost even in that was said to be likely to be far lower and closer to the 200 million mark. And either way, like said, a building project like this is not the incineration of money. It adds in to the local economy massively, and is then there for generations afterwards to make money.

Should say though, that rental cost should be looked at and be right for what's needed. Let's say Ulster Rugby need it for a big European knockout match that otherwise would have went to Dublin. Rental cost should be what it costs to open it and maintain for the event with no losses. But should not be making huge profits off others like this considering government input. Take concert event promoters for every penny you can get though...

Don't forget  that on many occasions such as Antrim Club games or home national league games the stadium will run at a loss. I read some where that Croke Park needs to sell C. 60,000 tickets to break even.

Not strictly true. Needs to be a bit less than that on a fully open, bells and whistles Croker. But kinda right, but kinda not. You don't fully open the stadium, have full complement of stewards on etc. They can only open lower tiers, or even just Hogan Stand lower tier as required. There's ways to work it by minimising what is needed