Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

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Worth noting as well that going back to the drawing board and redesigning it is not an option either if they want it for the Euros. And if it isn't being used for the Euros there isn't a snowflake in hells chance of the British Government throwing the money at it.

I don't think it's going to happen at this stage.

Exactly. We need the Euros to get this built and the IFA need casement if they want to secure the Euros.

Why?

I ask this because even before Euro 2028 became a possibility, you have always been of the opinion that the stadium should be built regardless of cost and that the bill should be picked up by the British government.
You seemed confident this would happen.
So, why now is it reliant on Euro 2028?

It should. That's exactly how I feel regardless of the cost. The amount of work the GAA does across the country is incredible and we need a state of the art stadium to play our big games in.
I am also realistic and if it takes the Euros to get it over the line (which I think it does) then I'm ok with that.

[johnnycool]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

Evertons new stadium is 55K and it's costing £500M.

Some QS or other reckons it would cost just over £200M to build Casement if it was purely specified for GAA games, but if you add in the additional requirements for a UEFA spec'd stadium then it could cost closer to £300M to complete.

If there's grounds for the GAA to negotiate on the grounds that this additional spend  to upgrade to UEFA specification is not something they should have to foot then IMO they'd be well within their rights.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

Evertons new stadium is 55K and it's costing £500M.

Some QS or other reckons it would cost just over £200M to build Casement if it was purely specified for GAA games, but if you add in the additional requirements for a UEFA spec'd stadium then it could cost closer to £300M to complete.

If there's grounds for the GAA to negotiate on the grounds that this additional spend  to upgrade to UEFA specification is not something they should have to foot then IMO they'd be well within their rights.

Obviously they aren't footing it. They aren't budging beyond £15m.

They are also treading a tightrope of "No bother, we'll use one of the good to go grounds we have on the reserve list."

[johnnycool]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

Evertons new stadium is 55K and it's costing £500M.

Some QS or other reckons it would cost just over £200M to build Casement if it was purely specified for GAA games, but if you add in the additional requirements for a UEFA spec'd stadium then it could cost closer to £300M to complete.

If there's grounds for the GAA to negotiate on the grounds that this additional spend  to upgrade to UEFA specification is not something they should have to foot then IMO they'd be well within their rights.

Obviously they aren't footing it. They aren't budging beyond £15m.

They are also treading a tightrope of "No bother, we'll use one of the good to go grounds we have on the reserve list."

That's a starting position that £15M, I'd hardly expect Jarlath to come out and say that Antrim GAA are going to cough up another £30M or the likes.

[From the Bunker]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

[Wildweasel74]

Aye something like that, doesn't really make sense. Maybe Antrim should harp up. It was our pitch, all revenue should go to us.

[Dreadnought]

I'm a bit lost in this Casement Park debacle.

The GAA are paying £15m toward a £300m Stadium.

Soccer will be played there in the Euros.

The GAA then get it all to themselves for Games, Concerts, Conferences, etc

GAA get all the revenue?

Essentially yes. However having those events add in to the local economy in many ways. Hence why government should indeed be adding more in. As they are a beneficiary in those many ways. Including the actual building of the thing too. The 300 million being quoted is quite mad as it seems to have no substantiation, and fits a certain narrative for the 'other side'. Cost even in that was said to be likely to be far lower and closer to the 200 million mark. And either way, like said, a building project like this is not the incineration of money. It adds in to the local economy massively, and is then there for generations afterwards to make money.

Should say though, that rental cost should be looked at and be right for what's needed. Let's say Ulster Rugby need it for a big European knockout match that otherwise would have went to Dublin. Rental cost should be what it costs to open it and maintain for the event with no losses. But should not be making huge profits off others like this considering government input. Take concert event promoters for every penny you can get though...

[Wildweasel74]

Sure Concert promoters just raise the ticket price to match ,the bollacks.

[illdecide]

On the presumption they can get a Main Contractor on board in the next 6 months whoever that Contractor is will hit the jackpot. They will be working for a Client who is under immense pressure to get the project over the line ahead of Euro 2028 so whatever commercial / contractual disputes that may arise the Contractor will always have the upper hand so will  stick the arm in accordingly because they know the Client has to keep the job moving no matter what.

Doesn't work like that. Contracts are signed and there are rates for their work, they put in monthly certs and get paid for them as they do the work. If the Contract signed is for £200m then no matter what happens they get paid £200m throughout the Project. Where additional payments come into it is through CE's (Compensation Events) or EW's (Early Warnings) these are extras claimed for events that were unforeseen in the Contract, every Contract will have them but Consultants/Designers will have this covered through SI's (Site Investigations) and other survey work etc to limit these. If these are too excessive the Client who pays will be asking their Consultant WTF is going on here, you can't stop these but you will limit them down to a few million on a large Contract like this. The other way of doing it is a Contractor Design & Build but that won't happen on a large project like this

[Wildweasel74]

Consultant do nothing about a f**k up, no chance ever getting money bck, been there too many times.

[illdecide]

It really has turned into a sh1t show. How and why has it come to this?. This is what happens when you let Loyalists near a GAA Project and it becomes sectarian like everything else in this sh1thole of a place.

Tell Nolan in the morning we've added the extra £100m for guns and we're building a Shooting range for the RA under the main stand and that's why the price has went up. Ohh and Gerry was never there

[marty34]

Could money be raised via public/private partnership, like the motorways or is thst a millstone for 25 years.

I suppose it would need a lot of events to keep that going.

[Wildweasel74]

Ah the famed PPP, the stories j could tell you about that shit show, you be paying back 2.5 times the value of the money you get.

[Sportacus]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

Evertons new stadium is 55K and it's costing £500M.

Some QS or other reckons it would cost just over £200M to build Casement if it was purely specified for GAA games, but if you add in the additional requirements for a UEFA spec'd stadium then it could cost closer to £300M to complete.

If there's grounds for the GAA to negotiate on the grounds that this additional spend  to upgrade to UEFA specification is not something they should have to foot then IMO they'd be well within their rights.

Obviously they aren't footing it. They aren't budging beyond £15m.

They are also treading a tightrope of "No bother, we'll use one of the good to go grounds we have on the reserve list."

That's a starting position that £15M, I'd hardly expect Jarlath to come out and say that Antrim GAA are going to cough up another £30M or the likes.

A decade later, this is our "starting position"?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

It really has turned into a sh1t show. How and why has it come to this?. This is what happens when you let Loyalists near a GAA Project and it becomes sectarian like everything else in this sh1thole of a place.

Tell Nolan in the morning we've added the extra £100m for guns and we're building a Shooting range for the RA under the main stand and that's why the price has went up. Ohh and Gerry was never there

Lol. It has been a shitshow from day 1 but yes, it's the loyalists' fault.