Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Dreadnought]

Can anyone have a guess at what the UEFA requirements would be that would cause a further price hike? Think in Dunedin, New Zealand they built an all seater covered stadium for 100 odd million. That would be my aim if I was to start this charade over again

No standing sections, electronic turnstiles, higher grade floodlighting, more VIP seating, more press facilties, commentary locations, media locations, more camera locations, photographer areas, press conference areas, outside broadcast areas, hospitality hosting areas. It is literally a different planet on what you need

But you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Can anyone have a guess at what the UEFA requirements would be that would cause a further price hike? Think in Dunedin, New Zealand they built an all seater covered stadium for 100 odd million. That would be my aim if I was to start this charade over again

No standing sections, electronic turnstiles, higher grade floodlighting, more VIP seating, more press facilties, commentary locations, media locations, more camera locations, photographer areas, press conference areas, outside broadcast areas, hospitality hosting areas. It is literally a different planet on what you need

But you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

What do you mean by the bit in bold?
The GAA will own it but the cost is irrelevant to the GAA as they have a set amount they are willing to invest.

[Wildweasel74]

£308 million, dont know how anybody can justify "the Just get it built motto".Wouldn't want you to be on charge of budgets in your workplace.  That cost is madness and it not make its money bck over time. Time face reality and build what we can with the money available,forget about the euros. even if u reduce its size and facilities.

[marty34]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

[93-DY-SAM]

Where is that £308 million figure coming from? I haven't seen any official figure on the cost. The costs being thrown around at the minute seem like pure speculation.

[RadioGAAGAA]

But you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

You do realise there is a far larger maintenance cost associated to all the above than some bog basic terraced stadium? Since the stadium is constructed at a similar price to the GAA regardless of whether its all-singing or basic, its the on going maintenance costs I'm concerned with.

For instance, those (unneeded) additional areas do not require upkeep, you don't need to periodically check the wiring, fire alarms etc on rooms that don't exist, nor do you need to clean them. Cleaning of terracing after games requires a fraction of the time. You've no seats to replace on terracing.

In the 2019 financial report - first one I got on google - Croke park had a stadium & admin expense of ~€6.2m. Heat/Light/Power was an additional €1m. Staff costs were ~€2.8m.

That is approx €10m to run the stadium. The latter two would be more direct functions of how many events are on - so will disregard them. If we reasonably assume that the stadium/admin costs are directly related to size, then Casement would be approx 40% Croke's maintenance cost - or €2.6m in 2019 prices.

So Ulster Council will need to raise somewhere in the region of €2.6m (2019 prices) after direct operating costs just to upkeep the stadium.

In 2019, Croke had 28 games and 3 concerts to deliver a gross income of around €29m. (total expenses to do that were €17m. We'll remove the "fixed" €~6.2m I mentioned above from this)

So they made approx €580k per game. We'll not factor by size to be favourable to Casement. It still means Ulster council need to fill or nearly fill Casement 4.5 times a year just to keep the stadium.

Needless to say, they won't be able to do this.



It. Doesn't. Fukking. Add. Up.


(Unless of course, there is an open admission that the Ulster Council are actually building a concert venue that they may occasionally let hold a football or hurling match.)

[Milltown Row2]

But you know what? When it's built, it ends up paying itself off. And then you own it until the place falls apart in 70 years time. So no matter what it is absolutely worth getting the additional rather than some bog basic terraced stadium

You do realise there is a far larger maintenance cost associated to all the above than some bog basic terraced stadium? Since the stadium is constructed at a similar price to the GAA regardless of whether its all-singing or basic, its the on going maintenance costs I'm concerned with.

For instance, those (unneeded) additional areas do not require upkeep, you don't need to periodically check the wiring, fire alarms etc on rooms that don't exist, nor do you need to clean them. Cleaning of terracing after games requires a fraction of the time. You've no seats to replace on terracing.

In the 2019 financial report - first one I got on google - Croke park had a stadium & admin expense of ~€6.2m. Heat/Light/Power was an additional €1m. Staff costs were ~€2.8m.

That is approx €10m to run the stadium. The latter two would be more direct functions of how many events are on - so will disregard them. If we reasonably assume that the stadium/admin costs are directly related to size, then Casement would be approx 40% Croke's maintenance cost - or €2.6m in 2019 prices.

So Ulster Council will need to raise somewhere in the region of €2.6m (2019 prices) after direct operating costs just to upkeep the stadium.

In 2019, Croke had 28 games and 3 concerts to deliver a gross income of around €29m. (total expenses to do that were €17m. We'll remove the "fixed" €~6.2m I mentioned above from this)

So they made approx €580k per game. We'll not factor by size to be favourable to Casement. It still means Ulster council need to fill or nearly fill Casement 4.5 times a year just to keep the stadium.

Needless to say, they won't be able to do this.



It. Doesn't. Fukking. Add. Up.

The wolf tones will fill it once a year 

[RadioGAAGAA]

The wolf tones will fill it once a year 

The "Beyond the grave tour 2034" 

[Brendan]

Aside from the costs its the bad look of the thing, filled once or twice a year, is there any county that actually needs their full capacity these days, Kerry for the odd league game? The crowds at the round Robin games last year were piss poor then its into croker anyway after that

[illdecide]

You are all getting your knickers in a twist...the cost is pure speculation and people have added £120m to it in 2 weeks, I'll not be surprised it's Unionist led. The cost will more likely be £180-£200m which is estimated, the Principal Contractor will likely get a few more million from CE's and EW's etc. Until it's tendered and prices come back everyone is just picking a number and doubling it.
If I'm wrong and it is £300m (which i doubt) then lets look at it again and reduce it or whatever it takes but until then stop guessing the price and wait and see. Material prices have roughly doubled and salaries too in 12 years or so, on that basis and the initial costing of £80m i'm guessing (and adding another bit to it) is between £180m-£200m

[RadioGAAGAA]

You are all getting your knickers in a twist...the cost is pure speculation and people have added £120m to it in 2 weeks,

That's the build cost.

What about maintenance cost?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

You are all getting your knickers in a twist...the cost is pure speculation and people have added £120m to it in 2 weeks, I'll not be surprised it's Unionist led. The cost will more likely be £180-£200m which is estimated, the Principal Contractor will likely get a few more million from CE's and EW's etc. Until it's tendered and prices come back everyone is just picking a number and doubling it.
If I'm wrong and it is £300m (which i doubt) then lets look at it again and reduce it or whatever it takes but until then stop guessing the price and wait and see. Material prices have roughly doubled and salaries too in 12 years or so, on that basis and the initial costing of £80m i'm guessing (and adding another bit to it) is between £180m-£200m

Why do you say that? Do you have a figure that you wouldn't go past?

I'm taking from your post that it's somewhere between £200m and £300m?

[Milltown Row2]

The figures being banded about are crazy...

But don't kid yourselves that the money if not put into Casement will be used for hospitals nurses education and other worthwhile causes.

And Casement will never be built in any form. If this is delayed cancelled then the money that'll be used for planning, new designs and the like will not be there. The 15 million that the GAA have promised wouldn't be enough to demolish the place

[Walter Cronc]

How can it go from £80m to over £300m in a few years?

That's mad Ted.

It's only a 30, 000 seater stadium.  Imagine if it was 60 000.

Begs the question, how much would a 20, 000 seater cost to build?

Well Spurs stadium is 60k and it cost over a billion!! Not saying this is similar spec but gives you an idea.

[illdecide]

You are all getting your knickers in a twist...the cost is pure speculation and people have added £120m to it in 2 weeks, I'll not be surprised it's Unionist led. The cost will more likely be £180-£200m which is estimated, the Principal Contractor will likely get a few more million from CE's and EW's etc. Until it's tendered and prices come back everyone is just picking a number and doubling it.
If I'm wrong and it is £300m (which i doubt) then lets look at it again and reduce it or whatever it takes but until then stop guessing the price and wait and see. Material prices have roughly doubled and salaries too in 12 years or so, on that basis and the initial costing of £80m i'm guessing (and adding another bit to it) is between £180m-£200m

Why do you say that? Do you have a figure that you wouldn't go past? No, the cost does not bother me.

I'm taking from your post that it's somewhere between £200m and £300m? I'm basing my estimate on salaries and material costs from it's initial costing. As above i'm going for £180m - £200m

My view is the stadium needs built. For Antrim and for West Belfast, I would love to have what they're proposing and be proud of it. Showing it off to the World. However, if that is not feasible then get something built that is. I would love nothing more than the Irish Government to stomp up the additional money for this just to rub the bitter bastids noses in it, that would send them over the edge.
If this stadium is never built as stated above this money will not go to Health and infrastructure as it's a different pot of money, if they were to do that it would be a grain of sand to their budget and wouldn't change a thing.