Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Dreadnought]

Alright then non lunatic. What's your grand plan? Corrigan Park forever?

Already said it many, many times on the thread. But for your benefit.

- Replace the old main stand with a new one, covered seating. All the facilities they could ever want could be placed underneath this as the new structure could be far more significantly hollowed out relative to old, and the back of it could be extended over the road to add further floor space. No big difference to light on houses to the West of Casement as the existing stand already blocks it.
- Stick a roof over the (renewed) terrace on the far side of the pitch. The back end of this structure can hold the badly needed amenities. It'd be relatively low profile though.
- Renew the terraces at both ends of the pitch. Don't cover them. If there is sufficient demand - as determined by polls, one of the ends could be uncovered seats.

Capacity of 30-40k for the one or two times a year it may be needed - which would be during the summer. Comfortably sufficient covered capacity for during the autumn/winter/spring. 3 or 4 significantly different price tiers.

Basically the stadium that the GAA needs at a cost that will benefit all in the long-run.

Instead we're getting an expensive to build, expensive to maintain milestone, which will come with astronomical ticket prices.


But hey - the Ulster Council might be able to hold a few concerts. That's what this is about right? Otherwise it makes no sense to build what they are trying to build.

Renew the terraces? Ah come on now. Where's the ambition here? A new stand and go back to old terraces? That's unreal talk. How long will that last before it looks outdated and falling apart again? Can you even renew terracing? Is it safe to do so with modern building control, safety and so on? Mad you're calling people lunatics, when your idea is a silliest and craziest of them all.

You also miss a couple of very vital points. The money is either there or soon will be and will leave a legacy of a stadium that essentially pays itself off. Something to be proud of, something Gaels in Antrim and Ulster and beyond can go to and enjoy. And it'll be modern, and will last for many decades, and not be outdated like your plan by the day it opens.

The Euros are going to happen. The UK government has committed to it. The ground has £60million odd already committed by the Executive, £15m from GAA, and near £40m from Irish Govt. The UK Govt know they need to stump up, but in a typical negotiation they're figuring out how to play it. Varadkar announcing funding last week has likely forced their hand and they'll have to save face. And they will as they know it'll pay itself back. Recent figures say a build cost of £220million. There's near £120million already there. So £100million give or take to find. And figures show the Euros will add £300million to the island through tax, business etc, so even if less than half of that goes to the North, your extra £100million is covered. We're essentially saying that the stadium will pay itself off immediately, and we'll be left with a modern stadium for use. But no, let's renew some terracing from the 50s instead, huh? Have some ambition will you...

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Renewing the terraces is exactly what happened at PUC and you have the ridiculous scenario were the stadium still cost an absolute fortune yet half of it looks straight out of the fifties. The GAA have notoriously overpaid for shoddy work, paid top dollar for new stands and got little return. I often use the example of the new stand at McHale and the new stand at Leicester tigers, both built at the same time for the same money, like wtf. I'll try and put some pics up later as I'm busy at work. At least this time it will need to be up to UEFA standards so the cowboys will have to up their game with the build.

[clarshack]

Renewing the terraces is exactly what happened at PUC and you have the ridiculous scenario were the stadium still cost an absolute fortune yet half of it looks straight out of the fifties. The GAA have notoriously overpaid for shoddy work, paid top dollar for new stands and got little return. I often use the example of the new stand at McHale and the new stand at Leicester tigers, both built at the same time for the same money, like wtf. I'll try and put some pics up later as I'm busy at work. At least this time it will need to be up to UEFA standards so the cowboys will have to up their game with the build.

was thinking watching the highlights last night how on earth is PUC costing the amount of debt it is, when both ends of the stadium as you say look like they are still in the fifties.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

[Wildweasel74]

If they not at heavy grounds work by September you may forget about it. Can't remember how a project with no correct costings, approved Business case, budget is not all on place before any tender process.Contractor cost only increase with a reduced lead in time.It got the Dungiven bypass delays wrote all over it.

[p3427977]

Sensible post by UUP Cllr.

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098575566135753?t=M8EW_Gf2e2tL6RxBZBGiIQ&s=19

[LeoMc]

As Newton Emerson has said, London is committed to the stadium but negotiating the split of the bill.
Dublin paid up to leave everyone else to haggle over the balance. Stormont has their £63m on the table. The GAA, Ulster Council, Antrim GAA need to state their redline, and perhaps that is what Jarlath is doing, so that the remaining stakeholders (British Government, IFA, FA) know what they need to pay.
In an earlier post I stated that the GAA needs to come up to with a design to suit the current budget to show they have an alternative,  that the British Government, FA and IFA need casement more than we need the debt.

The problem with any redesign is that it would never be completed on time for the Euros and then why would London want to give anything?

Yeah redesign or a significant one anyway is out of the question. UEFA land this week I think. They'll want to see some progress and cast iron assurances or they'll demand a different stadium in a different location.
London need to pony up or it is just another example in a long list of broken promises and the people are really growing tired of successive British governments promising and not delivering.

The redesign would be for a GAA stadium, not a UEFA pitch, our way of saying that you either stump up the cash now or we go an alternative direction. We don't need the Euros.

[Wildweasel74]

Them 2 stands above the same cost? The rubgy one seems well laid out and better done.

[93-DY-SAM]

Them 2 stands above the same cost? The rubgy one seems well laid out and better done.

It's a joke in this day and age with engineering that they stuck structural poles in the middle of seating blocking the view. Was that a cheap shortcut by the contractors to pocket more money?

[snoopdog]

Sensible post by UUP Cllr.

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098575566135753?t=M8EW_Gf2e2tL6RxBZBGiIQ&s=19

This lady is what the future of politics should be. Fair play to her.

[trailer]

Terracing in this day and age should be very limited. When the Taylor report was implemented in England clubs reported a huge increase in families and obviously corporate is a huge element now as well. We should have a stadium that can offer this option in the North.

[johnnycool]

Terracing in this day and age should be very limited. When the Taylor report was implemented in England clubs reported a huge increase in families and obviously corporate is a huge element now as well. We should have a stadium that can offer this option in the North.

Corporate entertainment is a huge revenue stream that needs to be part of Casement park.

I think Cork missed out on this and only off a premium level ticket.

[RedHand88]

Sensible post by UUP Cllr.

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098575566135753?t=M8EW_Gf2e2tL6RxBZBGiIQ&s=19

This lady is what the future of politics should be. Fair play to her.

Deleted, what did it say? Was she speaking too much common sense?

[RedHand88]

As Newton Emerson has said, London is committed to the stadium but negotiating the split of the bill.
Dublin paid up to leave everyone else to haggle over the balance. Stormont has their £63m on the table. The GAA, Ulster Council, Antrim GAA need to state their redline, and perhaps that is what Jarlath is doing, so that the remaining stakeholders (British Government, IFA, FA) know what they need to pay.
In an earlier post I stated that the GAA needs to come up to with a design to suit the current budget to show they have an alternative,  that the British Government, FA and IFA need casement more than we need the debt.

The problem with any redesign is that it would never be completed on time for the Euros and then why would London want to give anything?

Yeah redesign or a significant one anyway is out of the question. UEFA land this week I think. They'll want to see some progress and cast iron assurances or they'll demand a different stadium in a different location.
London need to pony up or it is just another example in a long list of broken promises and the people are really growing tired of successive British governments promising and not delivering.

The redesign would be for a GAA stadium, not a UEFA pitch, our way of saying that you either stump up the cash now or we go an alternative direction. We don't need the Euros.

You do if you want want any money from the British Government.

[Dreadnought]

Sensible post by UUP Cllr.

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098575566135753?t=M8EW_Gf2e2tL6RxBZBGiIQ&s=19

This lady is what the future of politics should be. Fair play to her.

Deleted, what did it say? Was she speaking too much common sense?

She was. basically that she sees the reason for it. She deleted the 1st in the thread, but the other tweets under remain

https://twitter.com/mclaren_linzi/status/1762098577327771767