Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[Eire90]

could northern ireland not have matches against big teams be played at casement or is the gaa scared incase a few idiots vandalise it.

[RedHand88]

Belfast Telegraph
John Laverty
Casement Park should change its name to 'Dundonald Ice Bowl'
There'd be guaranteed funding, proper timeline... and no objections

[Nanderson]

I'd absolutely love it if Casement gets built in time and it rubs themmuns up the wrong way. The next best alternative is the organisers to say f**k northern ireland and elect a new stadium in the south or in mainland Britain. Unionists parties think the alternative is an upgrade to Windsor which won't happen in the slightest

[GoldCoastRossie]

Reading it back in my day job capacity as the PM for major Construction projects in a government dept. down south involved in tendering etc, those timelines are wildly optimistic and unrealistic even before you get an interdepartmental and cross border steering group involved along with other stakeholders and the amount of paperwork and governance DPER will require. Construction inflation is dipping slowly but all pretender estimates have been wildly optimistic the last few competitions.

Any extra's or variations or cost orders will bogged down in paperwork and bureaucracy. 

[Milltown Row2]

Reading it back in my day job capacity as the PM for major Construction projects in a government dept. down south involved in tendering etc, those timelines are wildly optimistic and unrealistic even before you get an interdepartmental and cross border steering group involved along with other stakeholders and the amount of paperwork and governance DPER will require. Construction inflation is dipping slowly but all pretender estimates have been wildly optimistic the last few competitions.

Any extra's or variations or cost orders will bogged down in paperwork and bureaucracy. 

Reading that its a wonder anything is built at all!

[johnnycool]

Embarrassing on the view from Jeffrey and hoey

I don't think Big Davy's view is embarrassing at all. Much be pretty hard to take though. The biggest tournament to ever come here and they're looking to build a stadium that'll suit the GAA once the tournament is long gone. We would do serious complaining if it was the other way as well.

Their short sightedness comes back to bite them again. The Maze/Long Kesh stadium plan had it's faults but we wouldn't be having these conversations now if they'd shown a bit of forward thinking, but hey give all our money to Linfield for an upgrade on a stadium that doesn't meet the basic of UEFA standards and then complain later.

[NAG1]

Reading it back in my day job capacity as the PM for major Construction projects in a government dept. down south involved in tendering etc, those timelines are wildly optimistic and unrealistic even before you get an interdepartmental and cross border steering group involved along with other stakeholders and the amount of paperwork and governance DPER will require. Construction inflation is dipping slowly but all pretender estimates have been wildly optimistic the last few competitions.

Any extra's or variations or cost orders will bogged down in paperwork and bureaucracy. 

From what I have been told, all of this is in place in the background and as soon as the money is made available it will hit the ground.

[Eire90]

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41244790.html


ÁIRC Uí Chaoimh should '100%' be the natural option for Euro 2028 games should Belfast's Casement Park not be ready in time for the opening of the tournament, the Labour Party candidate in Cork City South East Peter Horgan has suggested.

The Labour Party candidate for next year's local elections said that the Cork GAA HQ should have been included in Ireland's part of the joint bid with the UK to host the finals of the European Championships in 2028.

Casement Park in west Belfast is at the centre of a political dispute between Northern Irish parties as both Sinn Féin and the SDLP are anxious to press ahead with the transformation of the Co. Antrim GAA headquarters, which has lain dormant since 2013 when it was last used.

[twohands!!!]

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41244790.html


ÁIRC Uí Chaoimh should '100%' be the natural option for Euro 2028 games should Belfast's Casement Park not be ready in time for the opening of the tournament, the Labour Party candidate in Cork City South East Peter Horgan has suggested.

The Labour Party candidate for next year's local elections said that the Cork GAA HQ should have been included in Ireland's part of the joint bid with the UK to host the finals of the European Championships in 2028.

Casement Park in west Belfast is at the centre of a political dispute between Northern Irish parties as both Sinn Féin and the SDLP are anxious to press ahead with the transformation of the Co. Antrim GAA headquarters, which has lain dormant since 2013 when it was last used.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (maybe here) that an absolute tonne of work would be needed to bring PuC up to UEFA requirements. Based on what I read I don't think PuC has much of a chance of replacing Casement if any.

[twohands!!!]

It's unreal that the DUP would rather NI wasn't represented in a UK & Ire project that would bring in £Ms to the local economy, just to be able to say fcuk you to the nationalist community. Part of me would love to see it happen and then see the whining when none of the games are held in NI. Bob, Rodney and William won't be happy seeing the partying in Dublin, London etc when it's on, and shining a light on this cesspit of a place. I honest think with the younger voters this is actually a stance that would harm them. And god knows there's few things that seem to impact their votes after RHI, corruption, racism etc. had little impact.

The thing is that the evidence in economics about the benefits of hosting sporting tournaments is that the economic benefits are mixed at best, especially if you have to build infrastructure.  There's a long list of places that built expensive infrastructure for tournaments thinking it was going to lead to long-term economic growth that failed to materialise.

A lot of the projected benefits of the Casement project are pretty much the same as was claimed for PuC in Cork before work was started. The only advantage of the Casement situation is that the GAA is on the hook for limited funds. If the Euro 2028 situation hadn't come around, the GAA would have been in serious bother with Casement.

[One a related note - the latest "hope" for PuC is that it will be debt-free by 2048. https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41235151.html]

A lot of the time you have imbeciles in charge. London worked out ok. The area around the Olympic park has been rejuvenated and obviously the Stadium is getting good use.
Casement will be well utilised and should help West Belfast / Belfast economically.
Building any huge infrastructure is always over budget and over time. We should just accept that.

Funny you mention the Olympic Park, given the disaster it has turned out to be for the taxpayer while the West Ham owners are making out like literal bandits. Also I don't think comparing London and Belfast makes any sort of sense given the relative scales of population.

Also while Casement will get some use, like all GAA stadiums it's likely that it will seldom,if ever be full and the vast majority of occasions it's used, the crowd is likely to be a small fraction of the overall capacity. It will help West Belfast economically but it's not like there's going to be a massive dividend, especially after the Euros.

[illdecide]

I would urge all from the South to watch that programme last night and it will give you just a very small idea of the sectarian bile we've had to put up with. Kate Hoey just couldn't hide her hatred for anything GAA it seeped from her pours and big Geoff wasn't much better.
Please get this built and what i'd love more than anything is the Irish Government to simply say "Guys how much more do you need to finish this" and pay. this will sicken them to their core ( I know that's not how it works but wishful thinking).
They think that after the tournament they'll be like handing it back over to the GAA...WTF. It's more like we're lending you this for a few weeks so don't let the door hit you on the way out...thanks. £60m for Dundonald Ice Bowl and the DUP standing clapping each other outside it yesterday and the shite we've had to put up with this for 12 years is a disgrace. Ulster need it and Antrim GAA need it, get it built and rub their noses in it by re-naming in Gerry Adams Park...lol. (That's a joke BTW)

[Orior]

Belfast Telegraph
John Laverty
Casement Park should change its name to 'Dundonald Ice Bowl'
There'd be guaranteed funding, proper timeline... and no objections

Did Laverty ever play gaelic football or hurling?

[WT4E]

Reading it back in my day job capacity as the PM for major Construction projects in a government dept. down south involved in tendering etc, those timelines are wildly optimistic and unrealistic even before you get an interdepartmental and cross border steering group involved along with other stakeholders and the amount of paperwork and governance DPER will require. Construction inflation is dipping slowly but all pretender estimates have been wildly optimistic the last few competitions.

Any extra's or variations or cost orders will bogged down in paperwork and bureaucracy. 

This post is whats wrong with industry these days.

Get the Chinese in, it will be built in a week

[illdecide]

I can't say for certain but I'm pretty sure I read this scheme will not be going back out to tender and initial Principal Contractor to take the reins on. I'm sure other Contractors will object to this... My memory is rank rotten but did a Contractor go bust from previous tender stage?. Or was that a Subbie?. This thing has went on that long with that many obstacles and hurdles I have forgotten half the stuff. I had a really strong interest in this was back but lost interest in it a while back🤦�♂️

[red hander]

See a 'No Casement' banner behind goals at Are We A Country match at the Bigot dome and the scum singing 'You can stick your Casement Park up your hole'. Lovely people.