Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[general_lee]

I honestly don't think it will be built in time.

Ack 2 years put a quare hole in it.

Like I said, it's not getting built in time.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/11/news/jeffrey_donaldson_says_dup_may_seek_to_veto_extra_casement_park_cash-3691238/?param=ds441rif44T

Part of me hopes he's successful. I don't think he will be, he nor his party won't stop it. But they're so f**king mind-numbingly stupid to see how counterproductive a stance like this is.

[Armagh18]

I honestly don't think it will be built in time.

Ack 2 years put a quare hole in it.

Like I said, it's not getting built in time.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/11/news/jeffrey_donaldson_says_dup_may_seek_to_veto_extra_casement_park_cash-3691238/?param=ds441rif44T

Part of me hopes he's successful. I don't think he will be, he nor his party won't stop it. But they're so f**king mind-numbingly stupid to see how counterproductive a stance like this is.

Can't have them taigs getting anything good!

[Wolfetones]

I think you lads haven't dealt with big budget public bodies trying to even get a new school built, total overkill in governance which puts the cost through the roof. Governance wise the time frame between awarding the contract and start date exceeds any good governance in law, and I can't see how's it legal. If a contract was awarded for £77 million, and now I estimate about about £120-130million, The increase in difference is such that it must be retendered. That's basically a law for good governance involving public money. I can't see how this is any difference, and a fast track tendering process is a year alone.

You're completely wrong on this. Ulster GAA issued a VEAT notice in Mid July and outlined why the project would not be retendered and the justification for that.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

I honestly don't think it will be built in time.

Ack 2 years put a quare hole in it.

Like I said, it's not getting built in time.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/11/news/jeffrey_donaldson_says_dup_may_seek_to_veto_extra_casement_park_cash-3691238/?param=ds441rif44T

Part of me hopes he's successful. I don't think he will be, he nor his party won't stop it. But they're so f**king mind-numbingly stupid to see how counterproductive a stance like this is.

Can you imagine OWC out of the bid and having croke or pairc UI chaoimh being used instead and NI missing the party. Has a party ever had so little strategy or forward thinking ever

[tbrick18]

I think you lads haven't dealt with big budget public bodies trying to even get a new school built, total overkill in governance which puts the cost through the roof. Governance wise the time frame between awarding the contract and start date exceeds any good governance in law, and I can't see how's it legal. If a contract was awarded for £77 million, and now I estimate about about £120-130million, The increase in difference is such that it must be retendered. That's basically a law for good governance involving public money. I can't see how this is any difference, and a fast track tendering process is a year alone.

Not sure that's the case.
Typcially bids come with caveats allowing for changes in costs for a variety of reasons such as market conditions, or one side changing the scheme of work, or unexpected delays.
I'd be very surprise if this goes out to a re-tender.
The NIDIRECT programme of work in NI was originally a 12M contract for 5 years that grew to a 70M contract over 7 years....all within the scope of the original tender. All public money. All legal and above board.

[trueblue1234]

It's unreal that the DUP would rather NI wasn't represented in a UK & Ire project that would bring in £Ms to the local economy, just to be able to say fcuk you to the nationalist community. Part of me would love to see it happen and then see the whining when none of the games are held in NI. Bob, Rodney and William won't be happy seeing the partying in Dublin, London etc when it's on, and shining a light on this cesspit of a place. I honest think with the younger voters this is actually a stance that would harm them. And god knows there's few things that seem to impact their votes after RHI, corruption, racism etc. had little impact.

[LeoMc]

It's unreal that the DUP would rather NI wasn't represented in a UK & Ire project that would bring in £Ms to the local economy, just to be able to say fcuk you to the nationalist community. Part of me would love to see it happen and then see the whining when none of the games are held in NI. Bob, Rodney and William won't be happy seeing the partying in Dublin, London etc when it's on, and shining a light on this cesspit of a place. I honest think with the younger voters this is actually a stance that would harm them. And god knows there's few things that seem to impact their votes after RHI, corruption, racism etc. had little impact.

+ one fewer team to reserve a place for!
Just imagine the crying if OWC did manage to qualify and their group was centred on Cork.

[AustinPowers]

Jeffrey is not happy. Quelle surpise.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/jeffrey-donaldson-raises-big-questions-over-casement-park-funding-and-euro-2028/a942025444.html

Surely the IFA agreed  in advance with the other FA's  that the only way NI would be  included in the joint bid would  mean that  casement, and not Windsor,  would host games?

Why  did Jeffrey not have a  dig at them?

The pressure has come on from the no men.

The No men?

Well , that narrows it down 

[twohands!!!]

I honestly don't think it will be built in time.

Ack 2 years put a quare hole in it.

Like I said, it's not getting built in time.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/11/news/jeffrey_donaldson_says_dup_may_seek_to_veto_extra_casement_park_cash-3691238/?param=ds441rif44T

Part of me hopes he's successful. I don't think he will be, he nor his party won't stop it. But they're so f**king mind-numbingly stupid to see how counterproductive a stance like this is.

Can you imagine OWC out of the bid and having croke or pairc UI chaoimh being used instead and NI missing the party. Has a party ever had so little strategy or forward thinking ever

I wonder what the contingency is if Casement falls through. Northern Ireland is due to get 5 games according to the media. I'd say the likeliest scenario is the the 5 games allocated to Northern Ireland would be split amongst Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Would seem easiest in terms of logistics/crowds/timing etc.

[WeeDonns]

I wonder what the contingency is if Casement falls through. Northern Ireland is due to get 5 games according to the media. I'd say the likeliest scenario is the the 5 games allocated to Northern Ireland would be split amongst Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Would seem easiest in terms of logistics/crowds/timing etc.

Croker?

[twohands!!!]

It's unreal that the DUP would rather NI wasn't represented in a UK & Ire project that would bring in £Ms to the local economy, just to be able to say fcuk you to the nationalist community. Part of me would love to see it happen and then see the whining when none of the games are held in NI. Bob, Rodney and William won't be happy seeing the partying in Dublin, London etc when it's on, and shining a light on this cesspit of a place. I honest think with the younger voters this is actually a stance that would harm them. And god knows there's few things that seem to impact their votes after RHI, corruption, racism etc. had little impact.

The thing is that the evidence in economics about the benefits of hosting sporting tournaments is that the economic benefits are mixed at best, especially if you have to build infrastructure.  There's a long list of places that built expensive infrastructure for tournaments thinking it was going to lead to long-term economic growth that failed to materialise.

A lot of the projected benefits of the Casement project are pretty much the same as was claimed for PuC in Cork before work was started. The only advantage of the Casement situation is that the GAA is on the hook for limited funds. If the Euro 2028 situation hadn't come around, the GAA would have been in serious bother with Casement.

[One a related note - the latest "hope" for PuC is that it will be debt-free by 2048. https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41235151.html]

[Estimator]

I honestly don't think it will be built in time.

Ack 2 years put a quare hole in it.

Like I said, it's not getting built in time.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/11/news/jeffrey_donaldson_says_dup_may_seek_to_veto_extra_casement_park_cash-3691238/?param=ds441rif44T

Part of me hopes he's successful. I don't think he will be, he nor his party won't stop it. But they're so f**king mind-numbingly stupid to see how counterproductive a stance like this is.

Can you imagine OWC out of the bid and having croke or pairc UI chaoimh being used instead and NI missing the party. Has a party ever had so little strategy or forward thinking ever

I wonder what the contingency is if Casement falls through. Northern Ireland is due to get 5 games according to the media. I'd say the likeliest scenario is the the 5 games allocated to Northern Ireland would be split amongst Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Would seem easiest in terms of logistics/crowds/timing etc.

London is the only city with two stadiums nominated. If the organisers stick with that then they'd go to another different city.

To my mind the options would be either: Leeds or Sheffield to bridge the gap between the stadiums in Manchester and Newcastle or they could go south coast and pick either Brighton or Southampton.

[twohands!!!]

I wonder what the contingency is if Casement falls through. Northern Ireland is due to get 5 games according to the media. I'd say the likeliest scenario is the the 5 games allocated to Northern Ireland would be split amongst Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Would seem easiest in terms of logistics/crowds/timing etc.

Croker?

Yeah I'd say Croker has the best chance of getting the games if Casement falls through. However if it's only one game the FAI might just use Aviva. It's very hard to see the England, Scotland, and Wales FAs being willing to give all 5 games to the FAI.

[twohands!!!]

I honestly don't think it will be built in time.

Ack 2 years put a quare hole in it.

Like I said, it's not getting built in time.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2023/10/11/news/jeffrey_donaldson_says_dup_may_seek_to_veto_extra_casement_park_cash-3691238/?param=ds441rif44T

Part of me hopes he's successful. I don't think he will be, he nor his party won't stop it. But they're so f**king mind-numbingly stupid to see how counterproductive a stance like this is.

Can you imagine OWC out of the bid and having croke or pairc UI chaoimh being used instead and NI missing the party. Has a party ever had so little strategy or forward thinking ever

I wonder what the contingency is if Casement falls through. Northern Ireland is due to get 5 games according to the media. I'd say the likeliest scenario is the the 5 games allocated to Northern Ireland would be split amongst Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England. Would seem easiest in terms of logistics/crowds/timing etc.

London is the only city with two stadiums nominated. If the organisers stick with that then they'd go to another different city.

To my mind the options would be either: Leeds or Sheffield to bridge the gap between the stadiums in Manchester and Newcastle or they could go south coast and pick either Brighton or Southampton.

I could definitely see them abandoning that rule in the "emergency situation" if Casement falls through. Doesn't seem like the most needed rule in an "emergency situation"

[trailer]

It's unreal that the DUP would rather NI wasn't represented in a UK & Ire project that would bring in £Ms to the local economy, just to be able to say fcuk you to the nationalist community. Part of me would love to see it happen and then see the whining when none of the games are held in NI. Bob, Rodney and William won't be happy seeing the partying in Dublin, London etc when it's on, and shining a light on this cesspit of a place. I honest think with the younger voters this is actually a stance that would harm them. And god knows there's few things that seem to impact their votes after RHI, corruption, racism etc. had little impact.

The thing is that the evidence in economics about the benefits of hosting sporting tournaments is that the economic benefits are mixed at best, especially if you have to build infrastructure.  There's a long list of places that built expensive infrastructure for tournaments thinking it was going to lead to long-term economic growth that failed to materialise.

A lot of the projected benefits of the Casement project are pretty much the same as was claimed for PuC in Cork before work was started. The only advantage of the Casement situation is that the GAA is on the hook for limited funds. If the Euro 2028 situation hadn't come around, the GAA would have been in serious bother with Casement.

[One a related note - the latest "hope" for PuC is that it will be debt-free by 2048. https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41235151.html]

A lot of the time you have imbeciles in charge. London worked out ok. The area around the Olympic park has been rejuvenated and obviously the Stadium is getting good use.
Casement will be well utilised and should help West Belfast / Belfast economically.
Building any huge infrastructure is always over budget and over time. We should just accept that.