http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435)
At least 126 people, mostly children, have been killed in a Taliban assault on an army-run school in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, officials say.
Five or six militants are said to have entered the building. Five are reported to have been killed, at least one of them in a suicide blast.
F*ck me there are some sick & twisted individuals in the world.
Absolute Wankers.
That's as brutal as I've ever heard.
Sick and twisted ideology.
Quote from: J70 on December 16, 2014, 01:28:40 PM
Sick and twisted ideology.
So sad to even think about children at school suffering this.
Don't think this is even in the ream of ideology of any form, maybe this will wake the rest of the moderate Pakistanis to have a concerted effort to wipe these evil people out.
The religion of peace.
Horrific attack all right but they aren't the only ones murdering children on a grand scale.
Bill Clinton imposed sanctions on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500, 000 people, the majority of them children and he gets a red carpet welcome practically everywhere he goes.
Bush and Blair have the blood of a million on their hands, and Israel mass murders children for fun without hardly a whisper from the west.
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 02:05:08 PM
Horrific attack all right but they aren't the only ones murdering children on a grand scale.
Bill Clinton imposed sanctions on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500, 000 people, the majority of them children and he gets a red carpet welcome practically everywhere he goes.
Bush and Blair have the blood of a million on their hands, and Israel mass murders children for fun without hardly a whisper from the west.
FFS can you not just mark this as a tragedy without having to drag the US into it and trying to make a political statement out of it.
Terrible tragedy.
RIP to the victims in Australia as well.
Disgusting act by a bunch of mindless evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 02:05:08 PM
Horrific attack all right but they aren't the only ones murdering children on a grand scale.
Bill Clinton imposed sanctions on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500, 000 people, the majority of them children and he gets a red carpet welcome practically everywhere he goes.
Bush and Blair have the blood of a million on their hands, and Israel mass murders children for fun without hardly a whisper from the west.
Start a new thread about that then
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Disgusting act by a bunch of mindless evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
For telling the truth?
Awful attack this - no matter what the underlying politics/issues behind it those schoolchildren had no part in it.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2014, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Disgusting act by a bunch of mindless evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
For telling the truth?
Awful attack this - no matter what the underlying politics/issues behind it those schoolchildren had no part in it.
No because every attack by Muslims cannot be condemned without first comparing the US to it in some sort of sad point scoring exercise. Its almost like he is justifying it.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/
evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
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Is there any difference between a US Drone strike that killed 69 children or this attack today?
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2014, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 16, 2014, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Disgusting act by a bunch of mindless evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
For telling the truth?
Awful attack this - no matter what the underlying politics/issues behind it those schoolchildren had no part in it.
No because every attack by Muslims cannot be condemned without first comparing the US to it in some sort of sad point scoring exercise. Its almost like he is justifying it.
I can't see where he's justifying it - sounds like he's just pointing out that there are other people who've also got deaths of children on their hands.
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/
evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
Is there any difference between a US Drone strike that killed 69 children or this attack today?
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You are do blind its scary.
When a us drone kills 69 and you post up here about it, do you temper that by reminding us that the Taliban also killed 130 children? Answer= no you don't. Now take your yank bashing to another thread you sad git.
Quote from: Itchy on December 16, 2014, 08:28:13 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/
evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
Is there any difference between a US Drone strike that killed 69 children or this attack today?
You are do blind its scary.
When a us drone kills 69 and you post up here about it, do you temper that by reminding us that the Taliban also killed 130 children? Answer= no you don't. Now take your yank bashing to another thread you sad git.
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Truth is hard to handle sometimes for you Itchy.
I don't deny the truth of your accusations. But I'll call you out as the twisted bitter fool you are. 130 kids murdered today and you want to turn another thread into a rant about the Americans.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons as well. Not great when the Taliban are in the mix.
Murdering low life scum there no other word for it, i expect a massive retaliation form Pakistan over this. It reminds me of the Children of Beslan a few years ago and the horrible end many of them met. Children in general are young, happy, and no interest in politics or religious zealous which afflicts humans in adult life. Why they have to see there end to the lowest of the low is beyond me.
terrible tragedy and should not be used by a twisted bitter fool like Ghd to score political points.
I wish that people could simply acknowledge this atrocity for what it is and not politicize it.
GHD you are all right but ffs there is a time and a place, a right thread and a wrong thread to push your anti American agenda, this thread should have been left alone imho.
For a man so concerned about the Palestinians you never even mentioned the loss of the lives these children, I would imagine it was because you were simply too keen to get to the yank bashing!!!
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 04:47:10 AM
I wish that people could simply acknowledge this atrocity for what it is and not politicize it.
GHD you are all right but ffs there is a time and a place, a right thread and a wrong thread to push your anti American agenda, this thread should have been left alone imho.
For a man so concerned about the Palestinians you never even mentioned the loss of the lives these children, I would imagine it was because you were simply too keen to get to the yank bashing!!!
Stew it's failed politics that played a part in this massacre.
There is global outrage at this attack yet during the summer when 500 children were killed in Gaza the same people stayed silent. Today 50, 000 children are living in shelter and are refused any building materials by Israel, with thefull support of the West.
Sadly we live in a world where the media play a major role in telling us where and when we should be outraged. All children and adults fof that matter should have a right to go to school without fear and be treated equally. Sadly we don't live in that kind of world as history has proved that depending on who is killed and by whom the outrage is always different. This attack and the attacks on the schools in Gaza during the summer is a prime example.
Quote from: give her dixie on December 17, 2014, 05:25:14 AM
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 04:47:10 AM
I wish that people could simply acknowledge this atrocity for what it is and not politicize it.
GHD you are all right but ffs there is a time and a place, a right thread and a wrong thread to push your anti American agenda, this thread should have been left alone imho.
For a man so concerned about the Palestinians you never even mentioned the loss of the lives these children, I would imagine it was because you were simply too keen to get to the yank bashing!!!
Stew it's failed politics that played a part in this massacre.
There is global outrage at this attack yet during the summer when 500 children were killed in Gaza the same people stayed silent. Today 50, 000 children are living in shelter and are refused any building materials by Israel, with thefull support of the West.
Sadly we live in a world where the media play a major role in telling us where and when we should be outraged. All children and adults fof that matter should have a right to go to school without fear and be treated equally. Sadly we don't live in that kind of world as history has proved that depending on who is killed and by whom the outrage is always different. This attack and the attacks on the schools in Gaza during the summer is a prime example.
The fact is GHD that this thread was politicized when for once, just once we should have simply have commented on the atrocity and left bastard politics at the door!
If those people somehow seize power in nuclear-armed Pakistan then god help us all. Bin Laden was able to hang out there for years right in the back yard of the Pakistani military establishment. There's too much sympathy for jihadism in that place for my liking, and lord only knows how high up it goes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dim8xci3A4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dim8xci3A4)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 16, 2014, 10:04:23 PM
Murdering low life scum there no other word for it, i expect a massive retaliation form Pakistan over this. It reminds me of the Children of Beslan a few years ago and the horrible end many of them met. Children in general are young, happy, and no interest in politics or religious zealous which afflicts humans in adult life. Why they have to see there end to the lowest of the low is beyond me.
Massive retaliation really works, doesn't it?
When you have the Taliban in your country things are already pretty fucked up.
Military solutions to political grievances- ask the posters from the north how they work out.
Pakistan has huge problems and the meddling of India, the Pakistani secret service and the US in Afghanistan next door has seriously destabilised the country. Throw in climate change and a population growing at around 3% a year and it's not going to be pretty for the foreseeable.
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
Obama didn't wait long to attack as Dronea Strikes killed 11 this morning
Quote from: give her dixie on December 17, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
Obama didn't wait long to attack as Dronea Strikes killed 11 this morning
There are so many things that don't make it into the narrative.
The pakistani's are far from innocent in this endeavour, they've targeted women and children in their war on the Taliban and now the Taliban have come to extract a terrible revenge.
20 years ago the IRA were blowing up civilians in Enniskillen, Omagh, London, Birmingham and elsewhere, the Enniskillen attack in particular focused on a public event/location with links to the military, like this attack in many regards. Now you're either of two minds, the first that the IRA and the Taliban are guilty of the same heinous crimes and should be annihilated, despite the cost to innocent lives (Irish Catholic lives as it would have been in the IRA's case). Secondly you could acknowledge the role of the establishment in both incidences. A role that you will not find written in the pages of the Daily Mail, mentioned on the BBC or spoken on CNN and that goes for both now and 20 years ago.
The truth lies somewhere between these two poles of thinking but I know one thing for certain. The man that can consciously state that more bloodshed is the appropriate response to this attack is as cold-hearted as the men who entered that school yesterday and took those young lives. To think that more drone strikes, or greater aggression by an army of such dubious reputation as the Pakistani's is the answer to these problems represents the ideology of a despot or a maniac.
You've all rehashed the same bullshite philosophy that the Brit media feed you every time, be it Syria, Ukraine or Iraq. Firstly take an atrocity and begin with the " Oh Christ the humanity" line, then the "taliban/russian/IS/Assad murderers", then move onto talk of defeating these movements and then discuss arming the opposition, brushing over their history of violence, corruption or lack of suitability to take a measured response. Then let your governments go away and arm such groupings to the teeth but here's the kicker, the death, destruction and hatred you inspire will be swept under the carpet by the same outlets that whipped up the hysteria in the first place.
Honestly how often do you hear about Syria, Ukraine or ISIS nowadays on the tv? Do you honestly think that's because the problem's gone away? No, because whilst Assad's repression of protests or Russia's annexing of the Crimea is worthy news the displacement, poverty and suffering you extolled upon millions people of these regions is not.
I despair for those children yesterday, not because the Daily Telegraph or the 6oclock news told me I should but because they'll be far from the last innocents to be slaughtered.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Quote from: trileacman on December 17, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
The pakistani's are far from innocent in this endeavour, they've targeted women and children in their war on the Taliban and now the Taliban have come to extract a terrible revenge.
20 years ago the IRA were blowing up civilians in Enniskillen, Omagh, London, Birmingham and elsewhere, the Enniskillen attack in particular focused on a public event/location with links to the military, like this attack in many regards. Now you're either of two minds, the first that the IRA and the Taliban are guilty of the same heinous crimes and should be annihilated, despite the cost to innocent lives (Irish Catholic lives as it would have been in the IRA's case). Secondly you could acknowledge the role of the establishment in both incidences. A role that you will not find written in the pages of the Daily Mail, mentioned on the BBC or spoken on CNN and that goes for both now and 20 years ago.
The truth lies somewhere between these two poles of thinking but I know one thing for certain. The man that can consciously state that more bloodshed is the appropriate response to this attack is as cold-hearted as the men who entered that school yesterday and took those young lives. To think that more drone strikes, or greater aggression by an army of such dubious reputation as the Pakistani's is the answer to these problems represents the ideology of a despot or a maniac.
You've all rehashed the same bullshite philosophy that the Brit media feed you every time, be it Syria, Ukraine or Iraq. Firstly take an atrocity and begin with the " Oh Christ the humanity" line, then the "taliban/russian/IS/Assad murderers", then move onto talk of defeating these movements and then discuss arming the opposition, brushing over their history of violence, corruption or lack of suitability to take a measured response. Then let your governments go away and arm such groupings to the teeth but here's the kicker, the death, destruction and hatred you inspire will be swept under the carpet by the same outlets that whipped up the hysteria in the first place.
Honestly how often do you hear about Syria, Ukraine or ISIS nowadays on the tv? Do you honestly think that's because the problem's gone away? No, because whilst Assad's repression of protests or Russia's annexing of the Crimea is worthy news the displacement, poverty and suffering you extolled upon millions people of these regions is not.
I despair for those children yesterday, not because the Daily Telegraph or the 6oclock news told me I should but because they'll be far from the last innocents to be slaughtered.
Violence doesn't solve problems like the Taliban.
Neither does slaughtering children address wider injustice.
deliberately trying to deflect attention from the root cause i.e. violent, radical Islam and Jihadism in order to fit in with an extremely biased geopolitical wordview won't solve the problem either.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:00:48 PM
deliberately trying to deflect attention from the root cause i.e. violent, radical Islam and Jihadism in order to fit in with an extremely biased geopolitical wordview won't solve the problem either.
Guess who funded the daddy of the Taliban, the mujahideen.
Extremely shortsighted geopolitical view, that was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3f9mlUQzJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXb_BUSU91s
#freedom fighters
FP's Situation Report, presented by Lockheed Martin (WTF)
http://www.splitnation.org/aggregator/sources/60
FP's Elias Groll: The attack "is only likely to exacerbate what is a crisis in Pakistani education, which has been strained by the twin pressures of sectarian politics and militant attacks, leaving the country's economy lagging significantly behind that of neighboring India. According to a 2014 International Crisis Group (ICG) report on Pakistan's education system, more than 9 million Pakistani children receive neither primary nor secondary education. Pakistan has the second-highest number of out-of-school children in the world, and 22 percent of Pakistani children legally mandated to be in school are not. Literacy rates are stagnant
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Can we start a thread on how many times gallsman describes something as 'pathetic'...
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/
evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
Is there any difference between a US Drone strike that killed 69 children or this attack today?
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...And Hamas firing rockets trying to kill people.
It's all the same.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 17, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/
evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
Is there any difference between a US Drone strike that killed 69 children or this attack today?
...And Hamas firing rockets trying to kill people.
It's all the same.
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Is there any difference between a Hamas rocket and the Tipp forwards in the last 5 minutes of the AIF ?
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on December 17, 2014, 01:40:36 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/
evil scum. Poor children. Dixie, you are beyond contempt.
Is there any difference between a US Drone strike that killed 69 children or this attack today?
...And Hamas firing rockets trying to kill people.
It's all the same.
Is there any difference between a Hamas rocket and the Tipp forwards in the last 5 minutes of the AIF ?
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Were the Tipp forwards trying to murder people as well?
Islamic Jihadism long predates what is referred to as "the west" today. They will always find an excuse to attack whatever secular/non-fundamentalist form of government that challenges them. This constant attempt to lay the blame at the door of the victims instead of the perpetrators is not going to solve the issue. Those militants were not thinking of climate change of population growth when they murdered those children. To say otherwise is, at best, naïve and, at worst, sinister.
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Why don't you just address the issue instead of trying to start a slagging match.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Why don't you just address the issue instead of trying to start a slagging match.
What is the "issue" as you consider it?
For me the issue here is the widespread acceptance of the tragedy with a "I've said my bit, nothing more to see here, let's move along swiftly" rather than try to actually explore the root causes of how horrifying tragedies such as this come about, then adopt a sneering attitude of faux outrage and a position of "your level of condemnation doesn't match what I deem to be an acceptable level of condemnation, you are a disgrace" when someone does just that, albeit allowing for the fact that some who do just that have an agenda.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
Islamic Jihadism long predates what is referred to as "the west" today. They will always find an excuse to attack whatever secular/non-fundamentalist form of government that challenges them. This constant attempt to lay the blame at the door of the victims instead of the perpetrators is not going to solve the issue. Those militants were not thinking of climate change of population growth when they murdered those children. To say otherwise is, at best, naïve and, at worst, sinister.
Islamic jihadism is a stupid ideology. Cover up the women and chaos will subside.
But its modern version does not predate the West.
For whatever reason the West has interfered in the region since the late 1800s and
always used the idea that the locals are bloodthirsty barbarians.
Most of them are just ordinary people who want to live quiet lives.
But quiet lives are bad for the likes of Lockheed Martin.
It's quite ironic having Europeans looking down on Muslims for their violent tendencies.
Europe has only been stable for 2 generations.
https://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&ALID=2TYRYD0EWXLG
And climate change reduces the resources available to a population so it's a key factor in insurgencies these days.
Quote from: Franko on December 17, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Can we start a thread on how many times gallsman describes something as 'pathetic'...
I'll try not bite too much considering the seriousness of the topic under discussion but all I'll say is:
Rapists you support: at least one
Rapists I support: zero
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:07:14 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Why don't you just address the issue instead of trying to start a slagging match.
What is the "issue" as you consider it?
For me the issue here is the widespread acceptance of the tragedy with a "I've said my bit, nothing more to see here, let's move along swiftly" rather than try to actually explore the root causes of how horrifying tragedies such as this come about, then adopt a sneering attitude of faux outrage and a position of "your level of condemnation doesn't match what I deem to be an acceptable level of condemnation, you are a disgrace" when someone does just that, albeit allowing for the fact that some who do just that have an agenda.
The primary issue is Islamic Jihad and their murderous mission to impose their creed on others.
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Franko on December 17, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Can we start a thread on how many times gallsman describes something as 'pathetic'...
I'll try not bite too much considering the seriousness of the topic under discussion but all I'll say is:
Rapists you support: at least one
Rapists I support: zero
Eh what the f**k have Rapists got to do with this issue? you know, the issue on this thread, you sir are a sniveling git!
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
you sir are a sniveling git!
Hush now, the grown ups are talking. You're a complete and utter imbecile but you don't hear me banging on about it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
The primary issue is Islamic Jihad and their murderous mission to impose their creed on others.
And what causes jihadism (I presume you mean jihadism in general rather than the organisation specifically referred to as Islamic Jihad - please correct me if I'm wrong)? Is it down to the simplistic belief that Islam is a violent religion? If so, why are the vast majority of them peace loving civilians like any of the rest of us? Is it history or politics or economics?
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
Islamic Jihadism long predates what is referred to as "the west" today. They will always find an excuse to attack whatever secular/non-fundamentalist form of government that challenges them. This constant attempt to lay the blame at the door of the victims instead of the perpetrators is not going to solve the issue. Those militants were not thinking of climate change of population growth when they murdered those children. To say otherwise is, at best, naïve and, at worst, sinister.
Islamic jihadism is a stupid ideology. Cover up the women and chaos will subside.
But its modern version does not predate the West.
For whatever reason the West has interfered in the region since the late 1800s and
always used the idea that the locals are bloodthirsty barbarians.
Most of them are just ordinary people who want to live quiet lives.
But quiet lives are bad for the likes of Lockheed Martin.
It's quite ironic having Europeans looking down on Muslims for their violent tendencies.
Europe has only been stable for 2 generations.
https://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&ALID=2TYRYD0EWXLG
And climate change reduces the resources available to a population so it's a key factor in insurgencies these days.
This is the problem. You dismiss it simply as a "stupid ideology" as if it were merely incidental to what is happening rather than being the main cause.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
Islamic Jihadism long predates what is referred to as "the west" today. They will always find an excuse to attack whatever secular/non-fundamentalist form of government that challenges them. This constant attempt to lay the blame at the door of the victims instead of the perpetrators is not going to solve the issue. Those militants were not thinking of climate change of population growth when they murdered those children. To say otherwise is, at best, naïve and, at worst, sinister.
Islamic jihadism is a stupid ideology. Cover up the women and chaos will subside.
But its modern version does not predate the West.
For whatever reason the West has interfered in the region since the late 1800s and
always used the idea that the locals are bloodthirsty barbarians.
Most of them are just ordinary people who want to live quiet lives.
But quiet lives are bad for the likes of Lockheed Martin.
It's quite ironic having Europeans looking down on Muslims for their violent tendencies.
Europe has only been stable for 2 generations.
https://www.magnumphotos.com/C.aspx?VP3=SearchResult&ALID=2TYRYD0EWXLG
And climate change reduces the resources available to a population so it's a key factor in insurgencies these days.
This is the problem. You dismiss it simply as a "stupid ideology" as if it were merely incidental to what is happening rather than being the main cause.
Tell us what you think of Ronnie and the Mujahideen. Why did he fund them ? Wasn't it already clear in 82 how evil Jihad was over on planet fox ?
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
Tell us what you think of Ronnie and the Mujahideen. Why did he fund them ? Wasn't it already clear in 82 how evil Jihad was over on planet fox ?
He funded them as a counter force to the soviets who had invaded Afganistan. A fact that you conveniently neglected to mention when you highlighted the wests role in the rise of the Mujahideen. Again, you ignored the main driver to focus only on the western involvement. You seem stuck in a time warp and you still look at the world trough the prism of the cold war hence Russia and China seem to get a pass from you whilst you pillior the west mercilessly. Things have moved on since your glory days in the Student union Seafoid. It is time take off the CND badge and grow up.
But that is not what motivated the Taliban. They want to set up their version of an Islamic state. they attacked the school because the army opposes that goal. The Taliban are the problem. Stop trying to deflect from that.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
Tell us what you think of Ronnie and the Mujahideen. Why did he fund them ? Wasn't it already clear in 82 how evil Jihad was over on planet fox ?
He funded them as a counter force to the soviets who had invaded Afganistan. A fact that you conveniently neglected to mention when you highlighted the wests role in the rise of the Mujahideen. Again, you ignored the main driver to focus only on the western involvement. You seem stuck in a time warp and you still look at the world trough the prism of the cold war hence Russia and China seem to get a pass from you whilst you pillior the west mercilessly. Things have moved on since your glory days in the Student union Seafoid. It is time take off the CND badge and grow up.
But that is not what motivated the Taliban. They want to set up their version of an Islamic state. they attacked the school because the army opposes that goal. The Taliban are the problem. Stop trying to deflect from that.
I think that's slightly simplistic but I don't disagree with you. How would you fix that problem? I haven't a clue. Bombing the hell out of them for ten odd years doesn't appear to have worked.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
Tell us what you think of Ronnie and the Mujahideen. Why did he fund them ? Wasn't it already clear in 82 how evil Jihad was over on planet fox ?
He funded them as a counter force to the soviets who had invaded Afganistan. A fact that you conveniently neglected to mention when you highlighted the wests role in the rise of the Mujahideen. Again, you ignored the main driver to focus only on the western involvement. You seem stuck in a time warp and you still look at the world trough the prism of the cold war hence Russia and China seem to get a pass from you whilst you pillior the west mercilessly. Things have moved on since your glory days in the Student union Seafoid. It is time take off the CND badge and grow up.
But that is not what motivated the Taliban. They want to set up their version of an Islamic state. they attacked the school because the army opposes that goal. The Taliban are the problem. Stop trying to deflect from that.
The Soviet Union was already in economic decline by 1982
I would have thought funding the thugs in the Mujahideen was counter productive. And guess what happened.
Duh.
The Taliban have guns and they want power. They are odious. Why would the Americans have helped them get started?
And who else are the Yanks funding now that'll turn out just as bad ?
Fundi Islamic states are a load of shite as well. Like they are any better at managing problems.
Also Mike what about Saudi giving the Taliban moral support? Killing Americans along the way like Daniel Pearl.
Do you think Saudi should be sanctioned or are you okay with Wahhabi thinking between consenting adults as long as it keeps gas prices down at the pump?
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:19:41 PM
Quote from: Franko on December 17, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:58:56 AM
Selective outrage is great but system problems need more thinking that that.
#bring back our girls
says the most selective spin doctor of the lot. jesus but you have some neck to come out with that BS given your 13 years of propaganda on here.
still no condemnation of the attack from you btw ..don't think for a second that this has gone unnoticed...
Ah, your usual line of "it doesn't matter how much you condemn anything until you're seen to be condemning it on an internet discussion board" line. Make you feel better about things, does it? You expressed your condemnation to a bunch of people you don't know and can now move swiftly past things? Pathetic.
Can we start a thread on how many times gallsman describes something as 'pathetic'...
I'll try not bite too much considering the seriousness of the topic under discussion but all I'll say is:
Rapists you support: at least one
Rapists I support: zero
Show me where...
Pathetic ;D
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
you sir are a sniveling git!
Hush now, the grown ups are talking. You're a complete and utter imbecile but you don't hear me banging on about it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
The primary issue is Islamic Jihad and their murderous mission to impose their creed on others.
And what causes jihadism (I presume you mean jihadism in general rather than the organisation specifically referred to as Islamic Jihad - please correct me if I'm wrong)? Is it down to the simplistic belief that Islam is a violent religion? If so, why are the vast majority of them peace loving civilians like any of the rest of us? Is it history or politics or economics?
yes, I am referring to jihadism in general.
Islam itself is not the problem. As far as I am concerned it has no more or no less fairy dust , man -in the sky bumpkin than Catholicsim or Hinduism. However there is a disproportionate willingness to interpret its tenets as a justification for mindless slaughter in the name of setting up some idiotic caliphate. All these offshoots have, more or less, this as their agenda from Hamas to the Taliban This is becoming far too widespread and what I see happening more and more are these arguments about alienation, social issues, economic inequality etc being used as an excuse. These issues affect all countries and all religions. the problem is the deep rooted fanaticism.
It's going circular.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
you sir are a sniveling git!
Hush now, the grown ups are talking. You're a complete and utter imbecile but you don't hear me banging on about it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
The primary issue is Islamic Jihad and their murderous mission to impose their creed on others.
And what causes jihadism (I presume you mean jihadism in general rather than the organisation specifically referred to as Islamic Jihad - please correct me if I'm wrong)? Is it down to the simplistic belief that Islam is a violent religion? If so, why are the vast majority of them peace loving civilians like any of the rest of us? Is it history or politics or economics?
yes, I am referring to jihadism in general.
Islam itself is not the problem. As far as I am concerned it has no more or no less fairy dust , man -in the sky bumpkin than Catholicsim or Hinduism. However there is a disproportionate willingness to interpret its tenets as a justification for mindless slaughter in the name of setting up some idiotic caliphate. All these offshoots have, more or less, this as their agenda from Hamas to the Taliban This is becoming far too widespread and what I see happening more and more are these arguments about alienation, social issues, economic inequality etc being used as an excuse. These issues affect all countries and all religions. the problem is the deep rooted fanaticism.
Hamas has been taken off the terrorism list of the EU.
Big changes coming up now with Israel under diplomatic pressure in Europe.
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
These issues were not why those lunatics fired point blank on those children and burned their teachers.
In fact, it is the exact opposite. They were attacking , head on, the most important means of combating many of the issues that you highlight i.e. education.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
These issues were not why those lunatics fired point blank on those children and burned their teachers.
In fact, it is the exact opposite. They were attacking , head on, the most important means of combating many of the issues that you highlight i.e. education.
Whatever. the war has been going on for 10 years and plenty of schools in the north have been destroyed.
How do you change the dynamic so that no more kids die ?
And jihad as the problem- why is Malaysia so stable ?
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
These issues were not why those lunatics fired point blank on those children and burned their teachers.
In fact, it is the exact opposite. They were attacking , head on, the most important means of combating many of the issues that you highlight i.e. education.
Whatever. the war has been going on for 10 years and plenty of schools in the north have been destroyed.
How do you change the dynamic so that no more kids die ?
And jihad as the problem- why is Malaysia so stable ?
You can start by stopping the people that want to kill them from killing them or would that be considered "interference" in their "region" to you ?
Malaysia is more stable because the Malaysian government have obviously had more success in preventing the extremists from organizing and forming into a force as large as ISIS or the Taliban. Also, Malaysia, whilst containing its share of fundamentalists, is, far more accepting of western influence and the norms of a civilized society and that has been of benefit to that society.
Perhaps if you would focus your energies toward encouraging these countries to adopt western style democracy and secularism instead of constantly attacking the very countries which epitomize its success then maybe we wouldn't need to have these conversations.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
These issues were not why those lunatics fired point blank on those children and burned their teachers.
In fact, it is the exact opposite. They were attacking , head on, the most important means of combating many of the issues that you highlight i.e. education.
Whatever. the war has been going on for 10 years and plenty of schools in the north have been destroyed.
How do you change the dynamic so that no more kids die ?
And jihad as the problem- why is Malaysia so stable ?
You can start by stopping the people that want to kill them from killing them or would that be considered "interference" in their "region" to you ?
Malaysia is more stable because the Malaysian government have obviously had more success in preventing the extremists from organizing and forming into a force as large as ISIS or the Taliban. Also, Malaysia, whilst containing its share of fundamentalists, is, far more accepting of western influence and the norms of a civilized society and that has been of benefit to that society.
Perhaps if you would focus your energies toward encouraging these countries to adopt western style democracy and secularism instead of constantly attacking the very countries which epitomize its success then maybe we wouldn't need to have these conversations.
Thanks for the laughs. Sheehy.
I see you're playing good cop today.
No insults at all?
What is the main difference between Malaysia and Afghanistan regarding the US ?
Seafood and give her dicks will soon have this thread plastered in their one sided articles. Pair of fools in my opinion, no less blinkered in their assessment of the world than those they oppose.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
These issues were not why those lunatics fired point blank on those children and burned their teachers.
In fact, it is the exact opposite. They were attacking , head on, the most important means of combating many of the issues that you highlight i.e. education.
Whatever. the war has been going on for 10 years and plenty of schools in the north have been destroyed.
How do you change the dynamic so that no more kids die ?
And jihad as the problem- why is Malaysia so stable ?
You can start by stopping the people that want to kill them from killing them or would that be considered "interference" in their "region" to you ?
Malaysia is more stable because the Malaysian government have obviously had more success in preventing the extremists from organizing and forming into a force as large as ISIS or the Taliban. Also, Malaysia, whilst containing its share of fundamentalists, is, far more accepting of western influence and the norms of a civilized society and that has been of benefit to that society.
Perhaps if you would focus your energies toward encouraging these countries to adopt western style democracy and secularism instead of constantly attacking the very countries which epitomize its success then maybe we wouldn't need to have these conversations.
Thanks for the laughs. Sheehy.
I see you're playing good cop today.
No insults at all?
What is the main difference between Malaysia and Afghanistan regarding the US ?
pointing out your xenophobia toward the US is not "insulting" . It is merely pointing out a simple fact.
Malaysia does not contain the terrorist harbouring fanatics known as the Taliban who need to be confronted. That is the main difference.
Those that hold power in Malaysia make smarter choices about their priorities. It is a pity the fanatics in Afganistan don't do the same. They cause their people so much misery. You should never forget that. Your insistence on always looking to blame outside influence for the ills of a country merely sidesteps the main issue i.e. Islamic Jihad.
Quote from: Itchy on December 17, 2014, 06:15:08 PM
Seafood and give her dicks will soon have this thread plastered in their one sided articles. Pair of fools in my opinion, no less blinkered in their assessment of the world than those they oppose.
Says the genius who manages to come up with "give her dicks".
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
Perhaps if you would focus your energies toward encouraging these countries to adopt western style democracy and secularism instead of constantly attacking the very countries which epitomize its success then maybe we wouldn't need to have these conversations.
Encouraging people to adopt western style democracy, with all it's flaws, is key here. The trouble is there are too many people, both in the US and elsewhere who would sympathise to the Ann Coulter (or the Fox guy who called for an "American Jihad") view of "encouraging".
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 06:18:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 03:57:30 PM
"Social issues, economic inequality etc"- pure political economy, the source of all political violence.
These issues were not why those lunatics fired point blank on those children and burned their teachers.
In fact, it is the exact opposite. They were attacking , head on, the most important means of combating many of the issues that you highlight i.e. education.
Whatever. the war has been going on for 10 years and plenty of schools in the north have been destroyed.
How do you change the dynamic so that no more kids die ?
And jihad as the problem- why is Malaysia so stable ?
You can start by stopping the people that want to kill them from killing them or would that be considered "interference" in their "region" to you ?
Malaysia is more stable because the Malaysian government have obviously had more success in preventing the extremists from organizing and forming into a force as large as ISIS or the Taliban. Also, Malaysia, whilst containing its share of fundamentalists, is, far more accepting of western influence and the norms of a civilized society and that has been of benefit to that society.
Perhaps if you would focus your energies toward encouraging these countries to adopt western style democracy and secularism instead of constantly attacking the very countries which epitomize its success then maybe we wouldn't need to have these conversations.
Thanks for the laughs. Sheehy.
I see you're playing good cop today.
No insults at all?
What is the main difference between Malaysia and Afghanistan regarding the US ?
pointing out your xenophobia toward the US is not "insulting" . It is merely pointing out a simple fact.
Malaysia does not contain the terrorist harbouring fanatics known as the Taliban who need to be confronted. That is the main difference.
Those that hold power in Malaysia make smarter choices about their priorities. It is a pity the fanatics in Afganistan don't do the same. They cause their people so much misery. You should never forget that. Your insistence on always looking to blame outside influence for the ills of a country merely sidesteps the main issue i.e. Islamic Jihad.
Malaysia is very close to Beijing so the US plays good cop
Afghanistan is closer to the middle East where it's the bad cop schtick.
American influence in the Middle East is malign and has been for a very long time.
Jihad is a response to that.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:08:50 PM
Malaysia is very close to Beijing so the US plays good cop
Afghanistan is closer to the middle East where it's the bad cop schtick.
American influence in the Middle East is malign and has been for a very long time.
North Korean relations are also closer to Beijing. Does the US play good cop with them ? You always try to portray the complex economic and political relations between the US and other countries as something that is automatically nefarious whilst not applying the same standard to those allied to your anti-American world view I.e Russia, Iran etc.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:08:50 PM
Jihad is a response to that.
is Jihad, and all it entails, a justified response ?
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 07:07:36 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 17, 2014, 06:15:08 PM
Seafood and give her dicks will soon have this thread plastered in their one sided articles. Pair of fools in my opinion, no less blinkered in their assessment of the world than those they oppose.
Says the genius who manages to come up with "give her dicks".
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
Perhaps if you would focus your energies toward encouraging these countries to adopt western style democracy and secularism instead of constantly attacking the very countries which epitomize its success then maybe we wouldn't need to have these conversations.
Encouraging people to adopt western style democracy, with all it's flaws, is key here. The trouble is there are too many people, both in the US and elsewhere who would sympathise to the Ann Coulter (or the Fox guy who called for an "American Jihad") view of "encouraging".
Mind your own business gallbladder
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 07:07:36 PM
Encouraging people to adopt western style democracy, with all it's flaws, is key here. The trouble is there are too many people, both in the US and elsewhere who would sympathise to the Ann Coulter (or the Fox guy who called for an "American Jihad") view of "encouraging".
yup and Ann Coulter is an air headed shit stirrer and demagogue and there are plenty of people in the US that will gladly point that out. Believe me , there are no shortage of dissenting voices to those idiots.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 01:00:48 PM
deliberately trying to deflect attention from the root cause i.e. violent, radical Islam and Jihadism in order to fit in with an extremely biased geopolitical wordview won't solve the problem either.
Guess who funded the daddy of the Taliban, the mujahideen.
Extremely shortsighted geopolitical view, that was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3f9mlUQzJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXb_BUSU91s
#freedom fighters
The mujahideen. Armed to the teeth with American weapons. Didn't they once put in an appearance as "good guys" in a James Bond film?
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 02:05:08 PM
Horrific attack all right but they aren't the only ones murdering children on a grand scale.
Bill Clinton imposed sanctions on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500, 000 people, the majority of them children and he gets a red carpet welcome practically everywhere he goes.
Bush and Blair have the blood of a million on their hands, and Israel mass murders children for fun without hardly a whisper from the west.
Maybe I'm being a little naive but to me the difference here is that these bastards carried out this atrocity on purpose whereas Clinton, etc were trying to make things better whether they made major mistakes or not.
Quote from: thebuzz on December 17, 2014, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on December 16, 2014, 02:05:08 PM
Horrific attack all right but they aren't the only ones murdering children on a grand scale.
Bill Clinton imposed sanctions on Iraq that led to the deaths of 500, 000 people, the majority of them children and he gets a red carpet welcome practically everywhere he goes.
Bush and Blair have the blood of a million on their hands, and Israel mass murders children for fun without hardly a whisper from the west.
Maybe I'm being a little naive but to me the difference here is that these b**tards carried out this atrocity on purpose whereas Clinton, etc were trying to make things better whether they made major mistakes or not.
There is really no in between here. Children were killed in 2 different circumstances.
Yesterday in horrific circumstances, and via the US and the UK, a long slow death.
If you think Clinton was trying to make things better then you are way of the mark.
The deaths of 500,000 due to his sanctions is not a major mistake. It's genocide. There's a big difference
Madeleine Albright in an interview with 60 minutes said "the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
How outraged would we be if a Taliban fighter apperared on TV and said the deaths of those children was worth it?
If you get a chance, read this article by John Pilger who witnessed the slow deaths of children in Iraq due to brutal sanctions imposed by the US and the UK via a corrupt UN Security Council.
http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9
somehow a slaughter at a school has ened up a bitching session about america policy in the middle east, there not a thread already on that? kindly f**k off over to it!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 07:39:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:08:50 PM
Malaysia is very close to Beijing so the US plays good cop
Afghanistan is closer to the middle East where it's the bad cop schtick.
American influence in the Middle East is malign and has been for a very long time.
North Korean relations are also closer to Beijing. Does the US play good cop with them ? You always try to portray the complex economic and political relations between the US and other countries as something that is automatically nefarious whilst not applying the same standard to those allied to your anti-American world view I.e Russia, Iran etc.
Quote from: seafoid on December 17, 2014, 07:08:50 PM
Jihad is a response to that.
is Jihad, and all it entails, a justified response ?
I don't think violent Jihad is necessarily justified but it's not about justification.
It's political economy and it's how people behave in certain situations.
Do you think that song about Joe McDonnell should be banned ?
The wonks who design US foreign policy don't understand culture
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/video/2011/oct/31/scott-atran-us-foreign-policy-video
US policy in Muslim countries is a complete disaster but maybe that's by design.
I should have known better than to think this thread would have stayed on topic.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U3jN5GF0Y-k/UmUDz5-fx3I/AAAAAAAAAt4/CE_jEhOP6Ds/s1600/aboot.png)
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
you sir are a sniveling git!
Hush now, the grown ups are talking. You're a complete and utter imbecile but you don't hear me banging on about it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
The primary issue is Islamic Jihad and their murderous mission to impose their creed on others.
And what causes jihadism (I presume you mean jihadism in general rather than the organisation specifically referred to as Islamic Jihad - please correct me if I'm wrong)? Is it down to the simplistic belief that Islam is a violent religion? If so, why are the vast majority of them peace loving civilians like any of the rest of us? Is it history or politics or economics?
Answer the question fcukwit! What has rape got to do with these children being slaughtered???
You are an arrogant ballbag galls, the answer to the question is that Rape has absolutely nothing to do with the slaughter of these children!
Quote from: stew on December 18, 2014, 04:52:20 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
Quote from: stew on December 17, 2014, 02:30:08 PM
you sir are a sniveling git!
Hush now, the grown ups are talking. You're a complete and utter imbecile but you don't hear me banging on about it.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on December 17, 2014, 02:23:57 PM
The primary issue is Islamic Jihad and their murderous mission to impose their creed on others.
And what causes jihadism (I presume you mean jihadism in general rather than the organisation specifically referred to as Islamic Jihad - please correct me if I'm wrong)? Is it down to the simplistic belief that Islam is a violent religion? If so, why are the vast majority of them peace loving civilians like any of the rest of us? Is it history or politics or economics?
Answer the question fcukwit! What has rape got to do with these children being slaughtered???
You are an arrogant ballbag galls, the answer to the question is that Rape has absolutely nothing to do with the slaughter of these children!
Yours powers of deduction are quite simply breathtaking. It's called a tangent. Google it if you're struggling.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2014, 12:21:58 AM
somehow a slaughter at a school has ened up a bitching session about america policy in the middle east, there not a thread already on that? kindly f**k off over to it!
Well said.
You'd wonder about some people.
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2014, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 18, 2014, 12:21:58 AM
somehow a slaughter at a school has ened up a bitching session about america policy in the middle east, there not a thread already on that? kindly f**k off over to it!
Well said.
You'd wonder about some people.
you would, Itchy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Pakistan
Since 2004, the United States government has attacked hundreds of targets in Northwest Pakistan using unmanned aerial vehicles (drones) controlled by the Central Intelligence Agency's Special Activities Division.[21] Most of these attacks are on targets in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas along the Afghan border in Northwest Pakistan.
These strikes began during the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush, and have increased substantially under his successor Barack Obama.[22] Some in the media have referred to the attacks as a "drone war".[23][24] Initially the U.S. government had officially denied the extent of its policy; in May 2013 it acknowledged for the first time that four U.S. citizens had been killed in the strikes.[25] Surveys have shown that the strikes are deeply unpopular in Pakistan, where they have contributed to a negative perception of the United States.[26]
There is a debate regarding the number of civilian and militant casualties.
An estimated 286 to 890 civilians have been killed, including 168 to 197 children.[19][20] Amnesty International found that a number of victims were unarmed and that some strikes could amount to war crimes.[27]
Pakistan's Prime Minister, Nawaz Sharif, has repeatedly demanded an end to the strikes, stating: "The use of drones is not only a continual violation of our territorial integrity but also detrimental to our resolve and efforts at eliminating terrorism from our country".[
Seafood, what is your point you copy and paste junky. Wise up ffs and piss off to one of the other threads you and your buddy have destroyed.