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Galway 8/11
Derry 6/4
Meath 6/4
Cork 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Down 13/2
Offaly 10/1
Clare 12/1

Round 1 fixtures

Saturday 29th
Down v Derry

Sunday 30th
Clare v Offaly
Galway v Meath
Roscommon v Cork

Rossies worth a punt there. A lot of hype around Derry, let's see do they deliver...

With anything up to 18 of last years first 26 unavailable for different reasons we'll be looking at avoiding relegation!

While brilliant to win Connacht Club senior and intermediate, it means we'll start league without a big part of spine in 3 Dalys, Davy Murray, and 2 Murtaghs. Diarmuid reminded us how good he is yesterday. AC gave a good run out to next generation in FBD and while a lot of talent coming through, conditioning is not there yet. I will be happy with maintaining Div 2 this year but I would expect us to give Connacht a serious go with a full slate of players.

Insanely tough div 2 this year, glad mayo got out last year.

You'd be brave to pick the two for promotion before it starts.

At the other end, I think Clare stand a better chance at staving off relegation than down and offaly, especially with down missing the kilcoo lads.

Clare I wouldn't have expected to finish bottom, have they lost many players?
Pretty hard to call on promotion.

Quote from: full moon on January 16, 2022, 10:45:27 PM
Clare I wouldn't have expected to finish bottom, have they lost many players?
Pretty hard to call on promotion.

Lost 5/6 lads.  Beat Kildare against the odds last year and were lucky have Laois in group too.  Offaly game looks to be only winnable game for them.

Lost 4 central players year before to retirement, lads going travelling and injuries.  Colm Collins has done fantastic with small pool of players

Bear pit of a Division Two this year, wouldn't like to have to put any money on calling it.

Not sure how much can be taken from the FBD league for Galway, mixed the good with the bad, this league will tell a lot.
Opening game against Meath game is massive for both sides, two sides with recent Division One experience and looking to get back up there. Galway need to win that one at home having 4 away games I think.
Cork are the wildcard, could be very good, could be awful. Derry might fancy their chances at a title.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 17, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
Bear pit of a Division Two this year, wouldn't like to have to put any money on calling it.

Not sure how much can be taken from the FBD league for Galway, mixed the good with the bad, this league will tell a lot.
Opening game against Meath game is massive for both sides, two sides with recent Division One experience and looking to get back up there. Galway need to win that one at home having 4 away games I think.
Cork are the wildcard, could be very good, could be awful. Derry might fancy their chances at a title.

Derry do fancy their chances at a title.

We're going in the right direction but I couldn't say we're any stronger than a Galway, Meath or Cork yet. It'll be interesting to see how we do though. Young squad and as I say definitely looking much brighter than this past few years.

Quote from: oakleaflad on January 17, 2022, 12:29:09 PM
We're going in the right direction but I couldn't say we're any stronger than a Galway, Meath or Cork yet. It'll be interesting to see how we do though. Young squad and as I say definitely looking much brighter than this past few years.

100%
Personally, I think division 2 is probably our level right now with the age profile of this team. If we can consolidate our Div 2 status and push the top of the table this would still be progress on top of the advances we've made in the last few years.
It would be great to get promoted to Div 1 again mind, I just feel it might be a year early.

With Derry your guaranteed they,ll be almost full tilt from the first game. Training 8 days a week!!!! But to be serious they will have a settled team and won't tweak week to week so for that reason they will go up. Plus they have 2 handy games to start which helps build momentum.

Quote from: the goal was on on January 17, 2022, 04:37:35 PM
With Derry your guaranteed they,ll be almost full tilt from the first game. Training 8 days a week!!!! But to be serious they will have a settled team and won't tweak week to week so for that reason they will go up. Plus they have 2 handy games to start which helps build momentum.

Aye just missing the Slaughtneil contingent. No bother  :o

Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
With anything up to 18 of last years first 26 unavailable for different reasons we'll be looking at avoiding relegation!

The maximum number of games they'll be missing is two unless there's a lot of injuries?

Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2022, 06:55:43 AM

Quote from: the goal was on on January 17, 2022, 04:37:35 PM
With Derry your guaranteed they,ll be almost full tilt from the first game. Training 8 days a week!!!! But to be serious they will have a settled team and won't tweak week to week so for that reason they will go up. Plus they have 2 handy games to start which helps build momentum.

Aye just missing the Slaughtneil contingent. No bother  :o

Its three players. Rodgers, McKaigue & McGuigan. Tadd doesn't play hurling. The others are replaceable. If S'neil get bt this weekend the three are available.

Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2022, 06:55:43 AM

Quote from: the goal was on on January 17, 2022, 04:37:35 PM
With Derry your guaranteed they,ll be almost full tilt from the first game. Training 8 days a week!!!! But to be serious they will have a settled team and won't tweak week to week so for that reason they will go up. Plus they have 2 handy games to start which helps build momentum.

Aye just missing the Slaughtneil contingent. No bother  :o

They have been training once a week with team all along as they recently confirmed and will be free after this weekend id imagine.

Quote from: the goal was on on January 18, 2022, 10:40:42 AM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2022, 06:55:43 AM

Quote from: the goal was on on January 17, 2022, 04:37:35 PM
With Derry your guaranteed they,ll be almost full tilt from the first game. Training 8 days a week!!!! But to be serious they will have a settled team and won't tweak week to week so for that reason they will go up. Plus they have 2 handy games to start which helps build momentum.

Aye just missing the Slaughtneil contingent. No bother  :o

They have been training once a week with team all along as they recently confirmed and will be free after this weekend id imagine.

Don't think it's been that often, definitely involved in a few sessions which shows a fair amount of trust and support between club and county. The players are in great physical shape atm and there's tonnes of pace. Will be interesting to see how the league pans out. As has been mentioned already, could be a year of cementing a decent top 4 in Div 2 and pushing on further next year.

IF we do get promoted, that's Div 1 to Div 4 and back to Div 1 from 2014 :) A cardiologist would not promote watching Derry for the health of the old ticker

Quote from: shawshank on January 18, 2022, 10:37:20 AM

Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 18, 2022, 06:55:43 AM

Quote from: the goal was on on January 17, 2022, 04:37:35 PM
With Derry your guaranteed they,ll be almost full tilt from the first game. Training 8 days a week!!!! But to be serious they will have a settled team and won't tweak week to week so for that reason they will go up. Plus they have 2 handy games to start which helps build momentum.

Aye just missing the Slaughtneil contingent. No bother  :o

Its three players. Rodgers, McKaigue & McGuigan. Tadd doesn't play hurling. The others are replaceable. If S'neil get bt this weekend the three are available.

You forgot Karl McKaigue & Paul McNeill

I didn't, I said they were replaceable.

Quote from: shawshank on January 18, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
I didn't, I said they were replaceable.

In the modern game subs (as you see the aforementioned) as just as important as starters. The way you worded it makes out Slaughtneil only supply 3 key hurlers when it's actually 5.

Quote from: shawshank on January 18, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
I didn't, I said they were replaceable.

I think Karl is actually a better and more effective footballer than Chrissy.

Quote from: Silver hill on January 18, 2022, 11:04:01 PM

Quote from: shawshank on January 18, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
I didn't, I said they were replaceable.

I think Karl is actually a better and more effective footballer than Chrissy.

I agree, though Chrissy has a part to play provided he's chosen in the correct position and given a job to do which, in my opinion, is a dedicated man marker in the full back line. He's very effective at that.

We will be much stronger with the Slaughtneil contingent back.

I like the make up of our panel at the minute and it gives us options, something lacking for a long time.

I wouldn't be getting carried away with ideas of promotion just yet, though I'm sure that is the aim. If we can get a top half of the table finish in Div2 that will still be progress.

Derry obviously have the gander up

Quote from: tbrick18 on January 19, 2022, 11:06:02 AM

Quote from: Silver hill on January 18, 2022, 11:04:01 PM

Quote from: shawshank on January 18, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
I didn't, I said they were replaceable.

I think Karl is actually a better and more effective footballer than Chrissy.

I agree, though Chrissy has a part to play provided he's chosen in the correct position and given a job to do which, in my opinion, is a dedicated man marker in the full back line. He's very effective at that.

We will be much stronger with the Slaughtneil contingent back.

I like the make up of our panel at the minute and it gives us options, something lacking for a long time.

I wouldn't be getting carried away with ideas of promotion just yet, though I'm sure that is the aim. If we can get a top half of the table finish in Div2 that will still be progress.

Chrissy is better than Karl. Chrissy is guaranteed his place, Karl isn't.

In terms of getting promotion to Div 1 I reckon that games against Galway, Cork, Roscommon and Clare will ensure that Derry won't get promoted.  They just don't have enough good forwards and mid-field replacement to win a significant percentage of kick outs .

I'd settle for them maintaining their Div 2 status with what is a fairly young squad.

Quote from: Real Talk on January 25, 2022, 01:23:20 PM
In terms of getting promotion to Div 1 I reckon that games against Galway, Cork, Roscommon and Clare will ensure that Derry won't get promoted.  They just don't have enough good forwards and mid-field replacement to win a significant percentage of kick outs .

I'd settle for them maintaining their Div 2 status with what is a fairly young squad.

Whilst I agree with with you on our forwards, I'm not sure I agree with your midfield assessment. We have Glass, McFaul, Bradley, McKinless all capable of contesting midfield. I think they'd break even with most midfields in Div2.

Like you though, I'd settle for retaining Div2 status. Another year of building and bringing through the minor winners.

Derry, like most teams now,  play the short kick-out options   So as to not be so predictable and beat the opposition "press" we need the option of a long direct kick-out to a high catching mid-fielder and if Glass was not playing who have we in our panel ? ..... that said most teams will have that problem.  Down and Derry are usually tight games .... so its the small margins that will count and strength in depth is crucial coming into the last 10 mins.

Quote from: Real Talk on January 26, 2022, 08:07:16 PM
Derry, like most teams now,  play the short kick-out options   So as to not be so predictable and beat the opposition "press" we need the option of a long direct kick-out to a high catching mid-fielder and if Glass was not playing who have we in our panel ? ..... that said most teams will have that problem.  Down and Derry are usually tight games .... so its the small margins that will count and strength in depth is crucial coming into the last 10 mins.

Derry's kickouts have been good in the first half - part of it is down to poor marking by Down - they have gone long a couple of times to men free in space.
Derry worth their 5 point lead at HT.
Down struggling offensively - will require something a bit special to get back in this one I think.

Looking forward to today. Andy's last year I'm charge I would say unless we pull off something amazing. So hopefully we go all out for division 2 but we've done so in the past and come up short. It's been a while since we beat Galway in the league and I think we should do this time. Salthill this time of year can be difficult weather wise though. No major absences, some long term injured lads returning like Niall Kane. Hopeful but we'll get a good sense of where we're at after today.

It's hard to know how bad Galway are. Losing to Meath would be a decent indicator of mediocrity in the post 6 in a row landscape.

Lord Jaysus!

Brutal!

Quote from: thejuice on January 30, 2022, 02:46:22 PM
Lord Jaysus!

Brutal!

Meath are a fair weather team. Perhaps Meath and Dublin should be amalgamated?

Don't know about fair weather but fairly shite for sure.

There is no satisfaction in hammering Meath. The damage caused by favouring Dublin over more than a decade will continue to harm Leinster teams.

Quote from: seafoid on January 30, 2022, 03:43:58 PM
There is no satisfaction in hammering Meath. The damage caused by favouring Dublin over more than a decade will continue to harm Leinster teams.

I beg to differ

I've given Andy the benefit of the doubt in the past but there's absolutely no excusing that. First game in div2, promotion the target, the players should be bursting out the gate. No real injuries to worry us. Younger lads have a few years of experience. No excuses, that falls on the management for sure.

We've had poor starts to the league before and we can recuperate and stay up but this is simply no longer good enough 6 years on.

Just in the door from Pearse Stadium.
It's hard to put into words just how bad Meath were today.
Conditions were obviously dreadful of course but still and all.
Galway played well - should really have had another 4 goals. Rob Finnerty could easily have had a hat trick. But Meath were so bad you almost have to write off this game as a one off.

Good wins for Clare and Roscommon. Galway laying down the marker with that performance against Meath who was expected to challenge for promotion.

Cork were poor too, lot of wides.
We had a good spell from around 15 to 30 minutes, went to sleep for a few minutes conceding 3 soft points.
Dug in well 2nd half and while Cork had a lot of wides we hit the corner flag from a good goal chance.
Have to be happy to start the League with a win and 5 or 6 lads making decent League debuts.
Smith's excellent today, McKeon Stack and Hughes (despite a few poor things) best of the rest.

Quote from: Rossfan on January 30, 2022, 06:52:07 PM
Cork were poor too, lot of wides.
We had a good spell from around 15 to 30 minutes, went to sleep for a few minutes conceding 3 soft points.
Dug in well 2nd half and while Cork had a lot of wides we hit the corner flag from a good goal chance.
Have to be happy to start the League with a win and 5 or 6 lads making decent League debuts.
Smith's excellent today, McKeon Stack and Hughes (despite a few poor things) best of the rest.

Every Rossie would have taken a win this morning especially with the absence of Cox ..cork absolutely clueless but that's Roscommon's first first round win since 2014 so most welcome ..

Quote from: galwayman on January 30, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
Just in the door from Pearse Stadium.
It's hard to put into words just how bad Meath were today.
Conditions were obviously dreadful of course but still and all.
Galway played well - should really have had another 4 goals. Rob Finnerty could easily have had a hat trick. But Meath were so bad you almost have to write off this game as a one off.

We were trying to figure out in the stands who Galway might have played in the last ten years that were worse than that Meath outfit, couldn't think of anyone as bad, the most abject team I've seen come to Galway in years.
Galway were decent but learned little from today, Sean Kelly is a serious bit of stuff but we knew that already, McDaid had his best outing in a long time but still a good few handling errors in the brutal conditions, Galway can get away with Finnerty butchering the goal chances today but we need to be more ruthless with those opportunities against the better teams. Culhane nabbed the poachers goal but outside of that everything that could have gone wrong did for him unfortunately, he's still very young and has loads to improve on. Great to see John Daly out there again, a key man for Galway in my opinion, hope he gets a clear injury free run now.

Really can't take much from that game though, Meath were absolutely abysmal and Galway won't play anyone as bad again this year.

Hope to god we never play that bad again. I really thought those days were behind us. Outside of Jordan Morris we don't seem to have any real threat up front. Costello, McMahon, Conlon, Walsh have only shown glimpses of quality up until now. Not developing into top level forwards that they might have been.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 30, 2022, 07:28:35 PM

Quote from: galwayman on January 30, 2022, 06:19:20 PM
Just in the door from Pearse Stadium.
It's hard to put into words just how bad Meath were today.
Conditions were obviously dreadful of course but still and all.
Galway played well - should really have had another 4 goals. Rob Finnerty could easily have had a hat trick. But Meath were so bad you almost have to write off this game as a one off.

We were trying to figure out in the stands who Galway might have played in the last ten years that were worse than that Meath outfit, couldn't think of anyone as bad, the most abject team I've seen come to Galway in years.
Galway were decent but learned little from today, Sean Kelly is a serious bit of stuff but we knew that already, McDaid had his best outing in a long time but still a good few handling errors in the brutal conditions, Galway can get away with Finnerty butchering the goal chances today but we need to be more ruthless with those opportunities against the better teams. Culhane nabbed the poachers goal but outside of that everything that could have gone wrong did for him unfortunately, he's still very young and has loads to improve on. Great to see John Daly out there again, a key man for Galway in my opinion, hope he gets a clear injury free run now.

Really can't take much from that game though, Meath were absolutely abysmal and Galway won't play anyone as bad again this year.

Agreed, thought Molloy had a great game too even though he hadn't too much to do defensively. Meath were shocking.

Shocking performance for Meath but they aren't that bad and I doubt they will be relegated. Probably midtable finish.

Probably weakest Division 2 in a long long time

DERRY  in transition and have a poor league record .

DOWN have been flirting with division 3 a long time now and have produced little in Ulster to say they are much better than an Antrim Cavavan or Fermanagh
MEATH have done little in recent years to suggest they are a top 10 side
CORK only back up the divisions after a big change over in players
ROSSIES this is their level never a division 1 team
CLARE will be lucky to stay up better sides in division 3
GALWAY  prob the only team that could stay up in division 1 and will walk this division
OFFALY a long time since they have been up this far in the divisions and again they will struggle they would get it hard against at least 6 of the division 3 teams in my opinion.

Overall apart from Galway it's the first time in a while maybe up to 3 division 1 type teams ain't in division 2 .

Its wide open after Galway I'd expect maybe Roscommon and Derry to battle for 2nd spot   

Quote from: Unlaoised on January 31, 2022, 08:07:50 AM
Probably weakest Division 2 in a long long time

DERRY  in transition and have a poor league record .

DOWN have been flirting with division 3 a long time now and have produced little in Ulster to say they are much better than an Antrim Cavavan or Fermanagh
MEATH have done little in recent years to suggest they are a top 10 side
CORK only back up the divisions after a big change over in players
ROSSIES this is their level never a division 1 team
CLARE will be lucky to stay up better sides in division 3
GALWAY  prob the only team that could stay up in division 1 and will walk this division
OFFALY a long time since they have been up this far in the divisions and again they will struggle they would get it hard against at least 6 of the division 3 teams in my opinion.

Overall apart from Galway it's the first time in a while maybe up to 3 division 1 type teams ain't in division 2 .

Its wide open after Galway I'd expect maybe Roscommon and Derry to battle for 2nd spot

Who the better teams in D3 than Clare?

Yeah I think that post significantly underestimates Clare and Derry. Derry are a different beast under Gallagher.  I think Clare could well be better than Cork as it stands and that will be interesting. For me it's Galway and then Roscommon maybe favourites but Derry or Meath may have a say there.

Clare would be better than Offaly and arguably Cork. They'll give most teams in this division their fill of it I think. Very interesting division looking at it.

Quote from: imtommygunn on January 31, 2022, 08:48:47 AM
Yeah I think that post significantly underestimates Clare and Derry. Derry are a different beast under Gallagher.  I think Clare could well be better than Cork as it stands and that will be interesting. For me it's Galway and then Roscommon maybe favourites but Derry or Meath may have a say there.

Clare would be better than Offaly and arguably Cork. They'll give most teams in this division their fill of it I think. Very interesting division looking at it.

In terms of Derry, we were not great at the weekend but still won comfortably. We should improve as the league goes on with the return of the Slaughtneil contingent.
It's unfair I feel to judge Down on that performance either as they are missing the Kilcoo lads and the new manager has had a very short time with them. It wouldn't surprise me if they improve drastically when Kilcoo finishes out the club championship. It may be too late though to avoid relegation as they have Galway up next (I think). 2 defeats from 2 would spell then end I think.

For me Galway were always the favourite for the division, but outside of that I think you could argue anyone is capable of beating anyone else. I feel it will be a very competitive division.

For Derry, I'd be happy to comfortably retain Div2 status and get a really well settled team in place for the championship to give Ulster a push, which is wide open this year in my opinion.

it's an interesting division. You'd have to imagine Cork would get the finger out at some point but who knows. 2nd is really up for grabs and for me I think Derry might nick that spot.

You can discount any serious assessment of the teams until you have the evidence of about 3 rounds I think, certainly from the game I was at it would be hard to imagine Meath will play as badly again and Galway don't know where they are at yet.
Conditions across the country looked to be wretched as well.

Have 4 points from 1st 4 games then all to play for in March's 3 games in a row.

This and division 3 are very interesting divisions. 1 not quite as much as if you're not in relegation danger then no one cares that much about winning it.

Quote from: tbrick18 on January 31, 2022, 10:27:58 AM

Quote from: imtommygunn on January 31, 2022, 08:48:47 AM
Yeah I think that post significantly underestimates Clare and Derry. Derry are a different beast under Gallagher.  I think Clare could well be better than Cork as it stands and that will be interesting. For me it's Galway and then Roscommon maybe favourites but Derry or Meath may have a say there.

Clare would be better than Offaly and arguably Cork. They'll give most teams in this division their fill of it I think. Very interesting division looking at it.

In terms of Derry, we were not great at the weekend but still won comfortably. We should improve as the league goes on with the return of the Slaughtneil contingent.
It's unfair I feel to judge Down on that performance either as they are missing the Kilcoo lads and the new manager has had a very short time with them. It wouldn't surprise me if they improve drastically when Kilcoo finishes out the club championship. It may be too late though to avoid relegation as they have Galway up next (I think). 2 defeats from 2 would spell then end I think.

For me Galway were always the favourite for the division, but outside of that I think you could argue anyone is capable of beating anyone else. I feel it will be a very competitive division.

For Derry, I'd be happy to comfortably retain Div2 status and get a really well settled team in place for the championship to give Ulster a push, which is wide open this year in my opinion.

Ulster wide open with the the all Irelands champions on it :o

BTW the S'neil contingent were playing Saturday evening. Paudie tadd the only one missing, injured

Quote from: Rawhide on January 31, 2022, 11:17:57 AM

Quote from: tbrick18 on January 31, 2022, 10:27:58 AM

Quote from: imtommygunn on January 31, 2022, 08:48:47 AM
Yeah I think that post significantly underestimates Clare and Derry. Derry are a different beast under Gallagher.  I think Clare could well be better than Cork as it stands and that will be interesting. For me it's Galway and then Roscommon maybe favourites but Derry or Meath may have a say there.

Clare would be better than Offaly and arguably Cork. They'll give most teams in this division their fill of it I think. Very interesting division looking at it.

In terms of Derry, we were not great at the weekend but still won comfortably. We should improve as the league goes on with the return of the Slaughtneil contingent.
It's unfair I feel to judge Down on that performance either as they are missing the Kilcoo lads and the new manager has had a very short time with them. It wouldn't surprise me if they improve drastically when Kilcoo finishes out the club championship. It may be too late though to avoid relegation as they have Galway up next (I think). 2 defeats from 2 would spell then end I think.

For me Galway were always the favourite for the division, but outside of that I think you could argue anyone is capable of beating anyone else. I feel it will be a very competitive division.

For Derry, I'd be happy to comfortably retain Div2 status and get a really well settled team in place for the championship to give Ulster a push, which is wide open this year in my opinion.

Ulster wide open with the the all Irelands champions on it :o

BTW the S'neil contingent were playing Saturday evening. Paudie tadd the only one missing, injured

Tyrone have had quite a few players leave the panel.
Monaghan v Tyrone at the weekend showed there's nothing between them.
Armagh beat Dublin.
Derry just pipped by Donegal last year.
I think Ulster is wide open.

The Slaughtneil guys have been playing hurling and only rejoined the panel on Tuesday before the game. It will take time for them to get up to speed again.

If Donegal got the finger out they have the footballing ability to challenge Tyrone - and Monaghan could do too.

Although Unlaoised thinks Down have been flirting with division three for a long time, we actually played there in 2019 and 2020. Unlaoised also suggests that Down have produced little in Ulster to suggest we are better than Cavan, Fermanagh or Antrim. Cavan were Ulster champions only 15 months ago and clearly have a better overall record than Down in recent years. However, the last time that Down played in the USC against Fermanagh (2020) and Antrim (2018), we won by seven point margins on both occasions. The present squad is plainly in transition and staying in D2 would be an achievement.

Quote from: Gael85 on January 31, 2022, 08:40:24 AM

Quote from: Unlaoised on January 31, 2022, 08:07:50 AM
Probably weakest Division 2 in a long long time

DERRY  in transition and have a poor league record .

DOWN have been flirting with division 3 a long time now and have produced little in Ulster to say they are much better than an Antrim Cavavan or Fermanagh
MEATH have done little in recent years to suggest they are a top 10 side
CORK only back up the divisions after a big change over in players
ROSSIES this is their level never a division 1 team
CLARE will be lucky to stay up better sides in division 3
GALWAY  prob the only team that could stay up in division 1 and will walk this division
OFFALY a long time since they have been up this far in the divisions and again they will struggle they would get it hard against at least 6 of the division 3 teams in my opinion.

Overall apart from Galway it's the first time in a while maybe up to 3 division 1 type teams ain't in division 2 .

Its wide open after Galway I'd expect maybe Roscommon and Derry to battle for 2nd spot

Who the better teams in D3 than Clare?

I'd like to see his reply to that very question also. Remarkable that some still aren't giving Clare the credit they deserve.

DIV 2 this year is roughly the same quality as it normally is IMO however the added spice of the trap door likely means the Tailteann Cup. Promotion and relegation will be a real competitive battle.

Not much experience on that Galway bench, looked very very young. Must be only 6 or 7 league starts between the 10 outfield players, think only Conor Campbell & Dessie Conneely have started games.

Once again Galway are littered with injuries.

Quote from: imtommygunn on January 31, 2022, 11:39:36 AM
If Donegal got the finger out they have the footballing ability to challenge Tyrone - and Monaghan could do too.

Monaghan have population constraints that the bigger counties do not have.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 31, 2022, 02:31:27 PM
Not much experience on that Galway bench, looked very very young. Must be only 6 or 7 league starts between the 10 outfield players, think only Conor Campbell & Dessie Conneely have started games.

Once again Galway are littered with injuries.

Conor Flaherty
Kieran Molloy, Seán Kelly, Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Cillian McDaid
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy
Matthew Tierney, Owen Gallagher, Finnian Ó Laoí;
Tomo Culhane, Rob Finnerty, Shane Walsh

Even with everyone fit how many changes would be made to that team that started yesterday? Strong looking spine to the Galway team now with a lot of pace and strength to it.

Bench might be lacking in experience but it has plenty of quality and loads of potential on it.

Quote from: Blowitupref on January 31, 2022, 02:53:32 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 31, 2022, 02:31:27 PM
Not much experience on that Galway bench, looked very very young. Must be only 6 or 7 league starts between the 10 outfield players, think only Conor Campbell & Dessie Conneely have started games.

Once again Galway are littered with injuries.

Conor Flaherty
Kieran Molloy, Seán Kelly, Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Cillian McDaid
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy
Matthew Tierney, Owen Gallagher, Finnian Ó Laoí;
Tomo Culhane, Rob Finnerty, Shane Walsh

Even with everyone fit how many changes would be made to that team that started yesterday? Strong looking spine to the Galway team now with a lot of pace and strength to it.

Bench might be lacking in experience but it has plenty of quality and loads of potential on it.

Think you're rating some of those players far too highly, 4 of that back 6 haven't shone for Galway. Plenty of question marks about a good few of those forwards too.

Would imagine, Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin & Comer would all have been involved if fit.

Can't pretend I have too much optimism.

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Not much experience on that Galway bench, looked very very young. Must be only 6 or 7 league starts between the 10 outfield players, think only Conor Campbell & Dessie Conneely have started games.

Once again Galway are littered with injuries.

Conor Flaherty
Kieran Molloy, Seán Kelly, Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Cillian McDaid
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy
Matthew Tierney, Owen Gallagher, Finnian Ó Laoí;
Tomo Culhane, Rob Finnerty, Shane Walsh

Even with everyone fit how many changes would be made to that team that started yesterday? Strong looking spine to the Galway team now with a lot of pace and strength to it.

Bench might be lacking in experience but it has plenty of quality and loads of potential on it.

Think you're rating some of those players far too highly, 4 of that back 6 haven't shone for Galway. Plenty of question marks about a good few of those forwards too.

Would imagine, Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin & Comer would all have been involved if fit.

Can't pretend I have too much optimism.

Comer when fit will come into the starting 15 probably for Owen Gallagher. Who wouldn't start if Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin was fit and did,  the latter three are rookies at this level.

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Not much experience on that Galway bench, looked very very young. Must be only 6 or 7 league starts between the 10 outfield players, think only Conor Campbell & Dessie Conneely have started games.

Once again Galway are littered with injuries.

Conor Flaherty
Kieran Molloy, Seán Kelly, Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Cillian McDaid
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy
Matthew Tierney, Owen Gallagher, Finnian Ó Laoí;
Tomo Culhane, Rob Finnerty, Shane Walsh

Even with everyone fit how many changes would be made to that team that started yesterday? Strong looking spine to the Galway team now with a lot of pace and strength to it.

Bench might be lacking in experience but it has plenty of quality and loads of potential on it.

Think you're rating some of those players far too highly, 4 of that back 6 haven't shone for Galway. Plenty of question marks about a good few of those forwards too.

Would imagine, Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin & Comer would all have been involved if fit.

Can't pretend I have too much optimism.

Comer when fit will come into the starting 15 probably for Owen Gallagher. Who wouldn't start if Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin was fit and did,  the latter three are rookies at this level.

Forgot to mention Heaney who's a definite starter, didn't mention starting just that they'd be involved. Glynn though has started the majority of league/championship games since he was introduced to the panel.

Heaney, Comer (if he ever can get fit - a big question mark there) would be in there for sure.

Sean Kelly is wasted at FB because he is so good out the field but Galway don't have anyone else to play there currently. Fitzgerald mightn't be the answer but it's a shame that he's missing out on these games to try and see how he would fare out, he's athletic and has size at least, would have seen what shape his marking and football ability was in during the league.

Silke has been cleaned out before numerous times in corner, to be fair a superb club player and will have no issue with Div 2 level players generally. Molloy isn't a corner back, no problem yesterday given the paucity of the opposition but he's a half back really, I would worry if that is the FB line against Mayo in April. Molloy hasn't had all that much of a run with Galway at any point so in fairness to him maybe he'll prove to be a fine player there in time.

Realistically if you're going to be blunt about it, Sean Kelly and Shane Walsh are the only elite level players Galway have. Personal opinion but I think John Daly can get to that level as well. Outside of that I don't know, a bunch of youngsters who may or may not make it and the likes of Conroy who doesn't owe Galway a thing but is at the tail end of his career.

think I've asked this before, did Dylan Wall ever get game time with Galway... super player for corofin over the last few years..

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think I've asked this before, did Dylan Wall ever get game time with Galway... super player for corofin over the last few years..

Not really. He played an odd FBD game that's about it.

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Not much experience on that Galway bench, looked very very young. Must be only 6 or 7 league starts between the 10 outfield players, think only Conor Campbell & Dessie Conneely have started games.

Once again Galway are littered with injuries.

Conor Flaherty
Kieran Molloy, Seán Kelly, Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh, John Daly, Cillian McDaid
Paul Kelly, Paul Conroy
Matthew Tierney, Owen Gallagher, Finnian Ó Laoí;
Tomo Culhane, Rob Finnerty, Shane Walsh

Even with everyone fit how many changes would be made to that team that started yesterday? Strong looking spine to the Galway team now with a lot of pace and strength to it.

Bench might be lacking in experience but it has plenty of quality and loads of potential on it.

Think you're rating some of those players far too highly, 4 of that back 6 haven't shone for Galway. Plenty of question marks about a good few of those forwards too.

Would imagine, Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin & Comer would all have been involved if fit.

Can't pretend I have too much optimism.

Comer when fit will come into the starting 15 probably for Owen Gallagher. Who wouldn't start if Mulkerrins, Glynn, Fitzgerald, McLaughlin was fit and did,  the latter three are rookies at this level.

Tomo is unlikely to be a starter this year. A good option off the bench though. Comer to come in for him I think if he is fit.
Molloy is a fine player but not a tight marker. He will be exposed badly if he is left in the corner.

We should have a good idea of where teams are going by Sunday evening .
All Sunday's losers are playing teams that won. Meath need to make a statement.

Down v Galway
Cork v Clare
Meath v Roscommon
Offaly v Derry

Need to win this weekend or we can forget about it.

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Need to win this weekend or we can forget about it.

Páirc Tailteann would be good place to play in the Tailteann cup.

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Need to win this weekend or we can forget about it.

Can imagine there will be a backlash from Meath this weekend and they are stronger in Navan than on the road.

Not all lost for Meath if they do lose Sunday. I recall Cavan gaining promotion to Div 1 in 2016 after they lost the opening 2 rounds.

We'll see. We've named the same starting 15 as last week. Harnan and Keoghan in midfield. Really missing Menton there.

We've named the 15 who started last week.
Rumours one of the 15  picked up a knock in training while Heneghan was substituted last Sunday with an injury.
I'd like to see the subs 11.
2 years ago we dropped 3 points in our first 2 games but still topped the Division.

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Need to win this weekend or we can forget about it.

Can imagine there will be a backlash from Meath this weekend and they are stronger in Navan than on the road.

Not all lost for Meath if they do lose Sunday. I recall Cavan gaining promotion to Div 1 in 2016 after they lost the opening 2 rounds.

Only if the other contenders drop 4 points
If Galway beat everyone it would be easier.

Anyone a link to Down Galway? It's geoblocked on the iPlayer. Don't understand why as this is normal rights TV rights that Eir Sport had? Bit of a joke imo

Wondering why it wasn't coming up, just had Derry v down in the hurling on

Funny got it on my gaa go account, had cancelled it, but their admin said I was good to march. Down getting beat 0:02 to Galway 1:06

Half time Down 0-2 Galway 1-7.

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Anyone a link to Down Galway? It's geoblocked on the iPlayer. Don't understand why as this is normal rights TV rights that Eir Sport had? Bit of a joke imo

The Iplayer is always geoblocked. It seems the website is too, but they couldn't be bothered giving a comprehensible message to that effect.

Down alot better this half, Down 0:06 Galway still 1:07

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Down alot better this half, Down 0:06 Galway still 1:07

Wind advantage helped and Galway focusing more on defending than attacking.

Wind playing big role, but like different team this half.

Down look to have found a decent full bck

Cork 0-6 Clare 0-9 at half time.

1-13 each the result.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0206/1278141-allianz-football-league-updates/

MEATH MANAGER ANDY MCENTEE GETS RED CARD

Shenanigans of sorts going on in Navan and the Meath boss sees red, as does his player James McEntee.

Rossies lead 1-14 to 1-08 with 2 mins left.

Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Derry Roscommon will be an interesting one. I think Galway maybe a bit ahead of the rest here.

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https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0206/1278141-allianz-football-league-updates/

MEATH MANAGER ANDY MCENTEE GETS RED CARD

Shenanigans of sorts going on in Navan and the Meath boss sees red, as does his player James McEntee.

Rossies lead 1-14 to 1-08 with 2 mins left.

McEntee doesn't exactly strike you as the calmest individual to say the least!

It looks as though the bottom 4 of Meath, Offaly, Down and Cork will be fighting it out for the trapdoor spaces. Each match between 2 of these teams should be a relegation 4 pointer. Points gained against the top 4 teams will be priceless.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Yes, but how far off our championship team is that. Showing the full hand very early.

But has to be done.

Think Cork and Meath positions are a bit false. Clare confounding the bookies.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Yes, but how far off our championship team is that. Showing the full hand very early.

But has to be done.

Think Cork and Meath positions are a bit false. Clare confounding the bookies.

Has to be done as we just don't have the panel. If Gallagher can get 20 players capable of playing inter county at a high standard he'll be doing well.

Too many so called big clubs in Derry not producing players capable of senior football and haven't this long time. Not good enough!

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Yes, but how far off our championship team is that. Showing the full hand very early.

But has to be done.

Think Cork and Meath positions are a bit false. Clare confounding the bookies.

Has to be done as we just don't have the panel. If Gallagher can get 20 players capable of playing inter county at a high standard he'll be doing well.

Too many so called big clubs in Derry not producing players capable of senior football and haven't this long time. Not good enough!

He already has more than 20. But ensuring that relegation is avoided is his priority, possibly part of his reasoning for not experimenting as much as others may. We believe that big club shite too much. Look at the spread of clubs represented in the game in Armagh today.

Style of senior club fball in Derry is the reason why we not producing good Forwards. Great to win a senior club championship and maybe ulster, but of no benefit to producing scoring forwards. There very few not on the panel that could benefit or expand Derry style of play. Terence o 'Brien, Ryan Bell, Liam Mcgoldrick. Kevin Johnson, the only ones come to mind but they been there before and dropped in and out of the panel over the yrs. Some have the ability but not the county standard work rate.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Yes, but how far off our championship team is that. Showing the full hand very early.

But has to be done.

Think Cork and Meath positions are a bit false. Clare confounding the bookies.

Has to be done as we just don't have the panel. If Gallagher can get 20 players capable of playing inter county at a high standard he'll be doing well.

Too many so called big clubs in Derry not producing players capable of senior football and haven't this long time. Not good enough!

He already has more than 20. But ensuring that relegation is avoided is his priority, possibly part of his reasoning for not experimenting as much as others may. We believe that big club shite too much. Look at the spread of clubs represented in the game in Armagh today.

Take Greenlough for example. A small club yet they've produced better players than 2 of our biggest clubs - Screen and Dungiven. These clubs need to take a look at themselves IMO. Gallagher is getting that spread of players but it will take time.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Yes, but how far off our championship team is that. Showing the full hand very early.

But has to be done.

Think Cork and Meath positions are a bit false. Clare confounding the bookies.

Offaly are most likely to get relegated.

Original odds before the first round

To be promoted

Galway 8/11
Derry 6/4
Meath 6/4
Cork 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Down 13/2
Offaly 10/1
Clare 12/1

Not much to be said about today. Even the scoreboard didn't work, tickets weren't available at the grounds and no one seemed to know this so mad queues outside PT. Complete shambles before a ball was kicked.

This is fast becoming a mess of unimaginable proportions. We need to do some hard searching for s replacement for Andy as he's simply not the man we hoped he'd be. I don't mind him losing the rag the odd time or not speaking to the press but he's simply not getting the performances that's required at this level. Andy can see out the year for what it's worth but the writings on the wall.

However the county board need to get their shite together quickly as today was shambolic in so many ways and not just on the field.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Yes, but how far off our championship team is that. Showing the full hand very early.

But has to be done.

Think Cork and Meath positions are a bit false. Clare confounding the bookies.

Has to be done as we just don't have the panel. If Gallagher can get 20 players capable of playing inter county at a high standard he'll be doing well.

Too many so called big clubs in Derry not producing players capable of senior football and haven't this long time. Not good enough!

He already has more than 20. But ensuring that relegation is avoided is his priority, possibly part of his reasoning for not experimenting as much as others may. We believe that big club shite too much. Look at the spread of clubs represented in the game in Armagh today.

Take Greenlough for example. A small club yet they've produced better players than 2 of our biggest clubs - Screen and Dungiven. These clubs need to take a look at themselves IMO. Gallagher is getting that spread of players but it will take time.

Screen aren't and never were a big club. Massive catchment area, but never matched that on the pitch. Harking back to a time when Dean McGlinchey Park was the hub of Derry GAA.

Dungiven haven't been a big club since the 90s. Will only be further downhill for them when the by pass is finished.

Quote from: thejuice on February 06, 2022, 09:21:52 PM
Not much to be said about today. Even the scoreboard didn't work, tickets weren't available at the grounds and no one seemed to know this so mad queues outside PT. Complete shambles before a ball was kicked.

This is fast becoming a mess of unimaginable proportions. We need to do some hard searching for s replacement for Andy as he's simply not the man we hoped he'd be. I don't mind him losing the rag the odd time or not speaking to the press but he's simply not getting the performances that's required at this level. Andy can see out the year for what it's worth but the writings on the wall.

However the county board need to get their shite together quickly as today was shambolic in so many ways and not just on the field.

Juice. Why did lads show up without tickets? The dogs in the street know you have to pre-buy online or in Centra. Meath need to assess for sure whether Andy's bolt is shot.

Nice to have 2 wins out of 2.
Ended up closer than it should have been with Meath getting it back to 3 at one stage.
We could have conceded 3 goals early on but a good spell towards half time left us as good as home and hosed.
The lack of a scoreboard was something else and a first at a competitive County game for me anyway.
As the Meath lad said probably a sign that more than the team is shambolic in Meath.
Was in  before any problems with entry so can't comment on that.
A great Ros supporters turn out and it seemed more like a home game in the stand anyway.
We'll almost certainly avoid relegation now and sure maybe have a chance of promotion.
We don't usually  do parochial Provincialism in Connacht but great to see all 6 won their games this weekend.
Sligo's 28 points must be a record of sorts while Ros Andy's lads got a great result in Thurles.

Owen Gallagher impressed for Galway and thought young McGrath did too as the game went on, he's still under 20 this year.

Commentators certainly got a bit carried away with regards to Galways experience, a lot of young lads on this Galway team who've played very little football at the top level and even McDaid & John Daly who are a bit older haven't played much either.

There was only 3 starters who played in Galways last game pre covid, 8 of those who started that game aren't even on the panel. I like the look of some of the backs coming through but Galway are far too reliant for scores from play from Conroy and Walsh. Culhane will probably come good but he's still very young, he's still a teenager.

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Not much to be said about today. Even the scoreboard didn't work, tickets weren't available at the grounds and no one seemed to know this so mad queues outside PT. Complete shambles before a ball was kicked.

This is fast becoming a mess of unimaginable proportions. We need to do some hard searching for s replacement for Andy as he's simply not the man we hoped he'd be. I don't mind him losing the rag the odd time or not speaking to the press but he's simply not getting the performances that's required at this level. Andy can see out the year for what it's worth but the writings on the wall.

However the county board need to get their shite together quickly as today was shambolic in so many ways and not just on the field.

Juice. Why did lads show up without tickets? The dogs in the street know you have to pre-buy online or in Centra. Meath need to assess for sure whether Andy's bolt is shot.

Andy started in 2016. Meath got ritually hammered under full spectrum Dublin dominance. A sorrowful mystery . The future may be different. Maybe a new manager could move Meath on. Is Boylan available ?

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We don't usually  do parochial Provincialism in Connacht but great to see all 6 won their games this weekend.

A lot of us do though to be fair.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Honestly think we've played the two weakest teams in the division (Down were very under strength). Much tougher tests ahead but a good start.

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Derry beat Offaly 2-13 to 0-07

Derry motoring and looking good for promotion

Honestly think we've played the two weakest teams in the division (Down were very under strength). Much tougher tests ahead but a good start.

Definitely agree. The 2 week break has come at a good time for the squad. With Cork drawing, a victory over the Rebels would be huge

Quote from: Maroon Manc on February 07, 2022, 10:33:33 AM
Owen Gallagher impressed for Galway and thought young McGrath did too as the game went on, he's still under 20 this year.

Commentators certainly got a bit carried away with regards to Galways experience, a lot of young lads on this Galway team who've played very little football at the top level and even McDaid & John Daly who are a bit older haven't played much either.

There was only 3 starters who played in Galways last game pre covid, 8 of those who started that game aren't even on the panel. I like the look of some of the backs coming through but Galway are far too reliant for scores from play from Conroy and Walsh. Culhane will probably come good but he's still very young, he's still a teenager.

Good start to the campaign in terms of results and it's imperative that Galway get out of Division Two at the first attempt because the main takeaway I have from first two matches is that Galway are getting away with mistakes that would be severely punished at Division One level, there is naturally a drop when you aren't playing the top 8 teams but the pace of Division Two games, the amount of time players get on the ball etc. is miles off the top division.

Main positive would be that the standard of tackling displayed by Galway in the first two league games – and against an experimental Mayo team in the dome to an extent – is light years ahead of what was previously seen since PJ took the top job, proper pressure is being applied and the tackle is going in at the correct time a lot more. The big caveat is whether this is simply a by-product of playing lesser teams in Division Two or an actual improvement that will be seen in championship.
Other positives would be Gallagher looks a good player, can kick a score and not afraid to drive at a defence, he looks a decent addition so far. McDaid has had by far his best outings for Galway in an age the past two games.
Thought McGrath did well for a lad on debut, bar a couple of instances where he kicked a poor pass over the side-line and was dispossessed running into the tackle at the start of the game, he was tidy in defence for his main role and some really incisive running moving forward.
Conroy was excellent, whether he can sustain that for a full match on hard ground in the summer I don't know, can't really ask much more of the man at the minute though, playing well.
Any news on Patrick Kelly's ankle injury? I think he's played reasonably well this year so fingers crossed it's nothing serious, making a good impact off the bench offers a serious height for kickouts as well. Needs to be put to work on his right foot though given the mark attempt he had off the left in the second half!

Main negative is that the shot selection and conversion rate is still not at standard that is going to trouble serious teams. Lack of finishing when the shot is the correct option is disappointing but at least that is simply an execution problem. Far worse are some of the pot shots taken in the last two games which were the wrong option from the start. By far the biggest issue is that Galway have scored two goals but butchered at least 5/6 great chances outside of that. The 3 on 1 break towards the end of the Down game should have been ruthlessly finished, not to belabour the point but this will not suffice against a top quality team in Mayo at the end of April, the contrast between the neat finish of Ryan O'Donoghue for his goal in a tight space at the weekend versus Galway players making the wrong decision or blasting straight at the keeper is stark. The lazy talk of the "top forwards" in Galway is way off the mark, the real top forwards are absolute killers when goal chances are presented.
Still too reliant on Walsh for creativity, if he's shutdown (legally or illegally) Galway are going to be in bother, if Comer can stay fit then he'll at least draw serious attention away from the other forwards and be good for 0-1 or 0-2 a game but others need to step up now.
Finnerty looks fantastic at Sigerson level and clearly has loads of ability but makes some strange choices at Senior level, again Saturday he tried to allow the ball run by him and turn the defender instead of driving to the ball to secure possession, just not going to get the space to do that at IC level. If he's not going to step up into a leading FF line scorer role in Division Two, then he won't ever.

I thought that the lads playing Sigerson during the week looked tired compared to the Meath game, at least there is a break next weekend and Sigerson will be finished altogether when the league returns. If you were to be ultra-selfish from a county point of view particularly given the truncated season this year, it would be no harm if NUIG lost next Thursday and those lads had a clear week without any match.

Rossies and Derry look the other main contenders in this Division and Galway need to have at least 8 points on the board going into those two final league matches both of which are away, Offaly at home should be a banker two points and ideally would beat Clare at home and Cork away but a slip in either of those games is possible, a slip in both and Galway are in serious bother.
Looking ahead to the real big match on April 24th it's really hard to know where Galway will be at, everything at Division Two level has to come with such a health warning compared to Division One, outside of the ten minutes after half time Down were never a real threat to get a result and Meath look a busted flush altogether, will have a better idea after the final two league games.

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We don't usually  do parochial Provincialism in Connacht but great to see all 6 won their games this weekend.

A lot of us do though to be fair.

Mr. Prenty has credited the dome for the Connacht clean sweep.

"I also think the fact the FBD League was played here in the Dome, and if you look at the high scoring of all the teams, fellas are getting used to shooting now and not worrying about the consequences."

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Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2022, 11:30:38 PM
We don't usually  do parochial Provincialism in Connacht but great to see all 6 won their games this weekend.

A lot of us do though to be fair.

Mr. Prenty has credited the dome for the Connacht clean sweep.

"I also think the fact the FBD League was played here in the Dome, and if you look at the high scoring of all the teams, fellas are getting used to shooting now and not worrying about the consequences."

Typical of Prenty to talk up his dome. Indoor matches produces higher scoring matches than outdoor games. Mayo however only managed 0-13 in their indoor match. 12 and 11 scores in their matches since then.

Of the Connacht teams results in the two rounds of league action which was shock results other than Leitrim comfortably beating Tipp in semple stadium? and that result probably says more about the situation Tipp are currently in.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL6RYGBWQAcdFsk?format=jpg&name=small)

Would have thought that more of the NUIG lads would get a break than just Culhane, Flaherty has Fitzgibbon final tomorrow.
No offence to Offaly but if Galway can't win that match at home venue without the Kellys and Tierney I'd suggest we are at nothing, might be more changes before throw in perhaps.

Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
With anything up to 18 of last years first 26 unavailable for different reasons we'll be looking at avoiding relegation!

Yerra. The Rossies strong favourites to go up now. A handy game sunday against Clare.

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Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
With anything up to 18 of last years first 26 unavailable for different reasons we'll be looking at avoiding relegation!

Yerra. The Rossies strong favourites to go up now. A handy game sunday against Clare.

Few teams gets handy wins against Clare in the league nowadays. Derry and Galway remains the favourites to gain  promotion from this division.

It's asking for trouble starting those 3 NUIG lads.
We need them for Mayo in April more than we do this weekend.
A hamstring tear due to fatigue would be a disaster at this stage.
Re the 2 Kellys in particular it shows our lack of depth for full back and midfield.
Extremely threadbare in those areas.
Dessie Conneely is blessed to get another start. He has offered zero in the game time he has had up to now. The evidence would suggest he is not up to
County senior level.
Good to see Johnny Heaney back in the subs. First time we've seen Eoin Finnerty make a match day squad also - would have been interesting to see him from the start and see what he is capable of at this level. That's an opportunity missed here imo.
Hopefully Damo stays injury free now also.

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Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 12:01:16 PM
With anything up to 18 of last years first 26 unavailable for different reasons we'll be looking at avoiding relegation!

Yerra. The Rossies strong favourites to go up now. A handy game sunday against Clare.

Few teams gets handy wins against Clare in the league nowadays. Derry and Galway remains the favourites to gain  promotion from this division.

I think it's too early to say. Derry, Galway and Ros have done well but the division has 4 good teams and weak and the strong teams haven't faced off yet
Derry vs Ros or Galway  could be a promotion 4 pointer.

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Would have thought that more of the NUIG lads would get a break than just Culhane, Flaherty has Fitzgibbon final tomorrow.
No offence to Offaly but if Galway can't win that match at home venue without the Kellys and Tierney I'd suggest we are at nothing, might be more changes before throw in perhaps.

I'd be surprised and disappointed if there aren't changes to that starting team by 2pm tomorrow.  There should be enough quality in the overall squad to manage a home win vs Offaly based on their most recent performances. 

Still think we (Derry) are a bit off Rossies n Galway. Not sure if our squad is just ready for Div 1. I'd be happy enough with 3rd place and good performances/unearthing few more players.

Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 19, 2022, 12:13:30 PM
Still think we (Derry) are a bit off Rossies n Galway. Not sure if our squad is just ready for Div 1. I'd be happy enough with 3rd place and good performances/unearthing few more players.

I agree. Third or fourth in the table with a few solid wins and hopefully no bad defeats. That would allow us to build the squad to hopefully push for promotion next season. We've started well but I don't think we have very much strength in depth and we've most of the tougher games to come.

Galway vs Biffos is postponed

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0220/1281897-sligo-cavan-postponed-due-to-unplayable-pitch/

Derry Cork game is a horrid watch so far.

Cross field wind do players not know only hope of scoring is from stand side of field.

 Cork goal keepers kick outs are brutal, shocking stuff particularly from Cork. Derry are difficult to break down

Bad conditions. Cork have been very poor. We've only been marginally better with some bad mistakes too. Derry full back line have been excellent so far.

Big swing there Cork should have had a goal and Derry go straight up the pitch to score our own.

Derry in control.

Derry are hammering all before them in Division Two, impressive stuff.

Cork are a poor outfit I don't think Derry got out of 2nd gear even we weren't great by any stretch.

You'd think we're safe at this stage thank god!!

Cork really offered nothing. Got a couple soft frees in the second half but didn't look organized at all. Derry could have had another goal or two. Will learn more against the likes of Galway and Roscommon. Be happy enough to stay in Div 2 another year but if promotion can be gained that'd be great. Think we'd maybe struggle in Div1 though.

Roscommon only manage a draw v Clare, poor first half playing with a gale only 1 point up. Still would have definitely taken a draw at half time.

2 draws - Ros v Clare and Down v Meath
Relegation will come down to small margins

The table shows a clear split from Clare in 4th with 4 points to Cork, Down and Meath with 1 point in 5th, 6th and 7th and Offaly pulling up the rear on 0.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2022/6273/tables/

Quote from: oakleaflad on February 20, 2022, 02:37:45 PM
Cork really offered nothing. Got a couple soft frees in the second half but didn't look organized at all. Derry could have had another goal or two. Will learn more against the likes of Galway and Roscommon. Be happy enough to stay in Div 2 another year but if promotion can be gained that'd be great. Think we'd maybe struggle in Div1 though.

Physically in great shape. Defensively sound with a settled back three who were all outstanding today. Half back line is motoring well with McKindless to come back in. Great to have a settled team atm.
Be very interesting to see how the away games in Clare and Roscommon go. Things looking very bright at the minute.

Derry have the tougher games to come.

I think Derry beat Galway at home, not sure, about, Roscommon away. Set up like Donegal did in 2012, when Gallagher was there, very defensive but no Murphy, paddy Mc or McFadden for the required scoring power. Fear we be found out later in the year but their no scoring forwards outside of McGuigan in the county.

Today was example as to why Derry, Galway are favourites for promotion, not taking anything away from Clare a battle hardened side who got a fine away result away today but they are unlikely to gain any points in their matches against Derry and Galway.

The two to fall through the trap door is going to be some scrap and 4 points may be enough to stay up.

Thoughts of Ros for Promotion, Connacht and Sam can be dispensed with after today's 1st half horror show.
A disjointed sideways and backpassing orgy with a gale behind us. Little or no teamwork or brains evident.
2nd half a better show as we defiantly held mighty Clare to 1 point for 25 minutes until Harney got a silly black card.
They hit 3 points while a man up, then we messed up the last attack of the game.
One of our lads ( who shall remain anonymous) in the 2nd half took a 13m free near the sideline, kicked it high up in the air to the 45 into the hands of a Clareman which led to their 8th point.
A draw was probably a fair result overall but Clare players won't win many friends as they exploited a weak rookie Ref with their antics.

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Quote from: Rossfan on February 20, 2022, 07:49:13 PM
Thoughts of Ros for Promotion, Connacht and Sam can be dispensed with after today's 1st half horror show.
A disjointed sideways and backpassing orgy with a gale behind us. Little or no teamwork or brains evident.
2nd half a better show as we defiantly held mighty Clare to 1 point for 25 minutes until Harney got a silly black card.
They hit 3 points while a man up, then we messed up the last attack of the game.
One of our lads ( who shall remain anonymous) in the 2nd half took a 13m free near the sideline, kicked it high up in the air to the 45 into the hands of a Clareman which led to their 8th point.
A draw was probably a fair result overall but Clare players won't win many friends as they exploited a weak rookie Ref with their antics.

Blaming the referee on a draw.  The Sheepstealers bucks not shy to hound referees either.  ;D ;D ::) ::)

Cork must have been on the sherberts last night. Abysmal!!!

From Michael McMullan on twitter

Here is where the current NFL Division 2 teams have sat over the last 10 years

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My two 5cents on the above are 1) it must be hard being a derry fan and 2) should Down's record not put them on par with Meath

Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 22, 2022, 07:45:41 PM
My two 5cents on the above are 1) it must be hard being a derry fan and 2) should Down's record not put them on par with Meath

It is.
But sure it's hard being a fan of any team that isn't consistently competing at the top.
The hardest thing about being a Derry fan is the years of under-achievement given the quality of players that have passed through the senior ranks. The knowing that we should have done better. There are many reasons why we didn't, but certainly lack of quality players was not one of those reasons, IMO.

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My two 5cents on the above are 1) it must be hard being a derry fan and 2) should Down's record not put them on par with Meath

It is.
But sure it's hard being a fan of any team that isn't consistently competing at the top.
The hardest thing about being a Derry fan is the years of under-achievement given the quality of players that have passed through the senior ranks. The knowing that we should have done better. There are many reasons why we didn't, but certainly lack of quality players was not one of those reasons, IMO.

March 2018, leaving Markievicz Park shell shocked in what was a relegation play off, Div 4 secured! Alot can happen in a few years with the right men in place

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Quote from: Aristo 60 on February 22, 2022, 07:45:41 PM
My two 5cents on the above are 1) it must be hard being a derry fan and 2) should Down's record not put them on par with Meath

It is.
But sure it's hard being a fan of any team that isn't consistently competing at the top.
The hardest thing about being a Derry fan is the years of under-achievement given the quality of players that have passed through the senior ranks. The knowing that we should have done better. There are many reasons why we didn't, but certainly lack of quality players was not one of those reasons, IMO.

March 2018, leaving Markievicz Park shell shocked in what was a relegation play off, Div 4 secured! Alot can happen in a few years with the right men in place

By contrast we haven't won a game of any real consequence since that one. Funny how things can turn.

About 20yrs ago we played Clare twice in in 2 years both in Ennis .... one was a re-fixture as game was called off due to heavy snow ... we lost both games i think.   One of them was the same day as Balinderry won the All Ireland Club Championship in Thurles.   

Any word if McFauland and McKinless will be fit to play this Sunday?

Result in O'Connor Park. Offaly 1-10 Meath 1-10. A Meath goal with the last play of the game grabbed a draw from the jaws of defeat

Half times

Cork 1-12 Galway 1-12
Down 0-5 Roscommon 1-10

Quote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2022, 04:12:56 PM
Result in O'Connor Park. Offaly 1-10 Meath 1-10. A Meath goal with the last play of the game grabbed a draw from the jaws of defeat

Drawing with Offaly must be where Meath are at.

Jesus Down are embarrassing themselves here, poor poor stuff.

Results

Down 0-10 Roscommon 1-18
Cork 2-17 Galway 3-22

Meath lucky to get a draw. Last minute goal saved us. Need to pick up a win and another draw at least somewhere or we're going down.

Would expect Derry to win well tomorrow. 10 league won in a row and unbeaten in 2 years. Have a very good team this year. Can they go unbeaten again in league this year??

Cork are serious underachievers.

Drew with Clare on Celtic Park last time they played I think. Ennis been a tough venue for previous decent Derry teams. Results tonight mean they need win this game.

Quote from: hoynevalley on February 26, 2022, 10:37:48 PM
Would expect Derry to win well tomorrow. 10 league won in a row and unbeaten in 2 years. Have a very good team this year. Can they go unbeaten again in league this year??

Doubt it. D2 is a step up from D4. /D3

That was a good win in Páirc Esler, which seemed to be a home game for Ros as not many natives in attendance.
Down were poor enough and once McCartan started his subbing from the start of the second half you knew they were more interested in trying lads out.
The flurry of points before half time meant the game was over as a contest at that stage.
If both sides had been better finishers it would have ended about 4-21 to 3 -12.
From a Ros point of view we seem to have a midfield at last as both Harney and Nolan gave their best displays in a Ros Jersey.
Any day you score 1-18 isn't a bad day.
However sterner rests await starting in 2 weeks v Derry.

Assuming Offaly are doomed the question is who goes down the trapdoor with them.

Down have Cork, Clare and Offaly upcoming.
Cork have Down, Offaly and Meath
Meath have Cork, Clare and Derry.

Meath have to beat Cork and get points off Clare and Derry.

Half time in Ennis Clare 0-5 Derry 0-6.

Strong second performance by Derry in what was a tricky game, have showed again today why they are one of the favourites for promotion.

Clare 0-10 Derry 2-13

Clare 0:09, Derry 2:13

FT: Derry beat Clare 2-13 to 0-10

That's a very good win in Ennis for Derry.
They are flying.

Roscommon.v Galway for 2nd?

Would have expected Derry to beat Clare. Clare are solid D2 but that is it.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 27, 2022, 03:04:04 PM
Roscommon.v Galway for 2nd?

Galway, Roscommon and Derry appear to be the clear top 3 but they could be in any order. We could well finish 3rd. The games against those sides will be interesting, to see where we're at.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 27, 2022, 03:04:04 PM
Roscommon.v Galway for 2nd?

Galway, Roscommon and Derry appear to be the clear top 3 but they could be in any order. We could well finish 3rd. The games against those sides will be interesting, to see where we're at.

I'd be more confident if we had one of those games at home.
Both being away makes it more difficult for us.

Quote from: seafoid on February 27, 2022, 03:04:14 PM
Would have expected Derry to beat Clare. Clare are solid D2 but that is it.

I think you forget Derry were Division 4 a few years ago and then took a couple of years to get out of Division 3

Galway have a ton of issues to resolve despite the high scoring in PUC, Cork are really desperate at the back, Galway got 3 goals and left at least another 3 behind. Game might have evolved into a really open contest but conceding 2-17 to that Cork team is mental.

Kickouts are just a disaster still, there's no plan whatsoever. Alright for people in the stand giving out about Flaherty but you need to put players in a position to succeed and there is no strategy there at all that I can see, we are getting murdered on them all the time. This is draining the confidence of the goalie and he's overthinking restarts that at underage he would have been pinging out to the players. Looking out yesterday at numerous times players were static and even had their backs turned for restarts, if this is a preview of what shows up on April 24th, Mayo will win at their ease. Flaherty made some errors out the pitch as well which won't do him any good but the main problem is the restarts, it's such a fundamental part of the game that simply hoofing it out and hoping for the best will only lead to failure in the long term.

Shane Walsh was by a country mile the best player on the pitch, McHugh was good yesterday in fairness but GBFM were off their heads giving him MOTM ahead of Walsh, only saw that today.
Conneely had his best outing in a Senior jersey, ball was sticking when kicked into him, he brought other players into the game and kicked two tonic scores in the first half. That type of game suited Finnerty down to the ground, handy ball coming in and plenty space to take on the shots, needs to replicate that performance against better opposition.
Paul Kelly looked tired, wasn't involved at all. Heaney fairly out of it as well. Comer poor in the first half, bit better in the second but the ball could have gone anywhere for his goal, the definition of throwing a leg at it.

Galway still making a ton of mistakes in handling and option taking that would be killed by a Division One team but definitely look too good for most teams in Div Two. After 4 rounds of the league going up to Div One it will be 2 from 3 out of Derry, Galway and Rossies for sure. Bit of a worry that Galway have only played three of the worst teams as of yet, Galway will beat Offaly at home but Clare are a definite step up in challenge and the other two will be really hard matches away from home, getting out of Div Two on first go is vital, nothing but bad habits will form there if we have another long stay.

As a long suffering Derry supporter its great to see the progress that has been achieved recently. We now seem to have the correct people involved off the field as well as on and we have a group of players who want to play for the county. Of course it doesn't mean we will win anything but we are getting the best out of the players available.
We now have a style of play the players have bought into and is working so far.

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Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 27, 2022, 03:04:04 PM
Roscommon.v Galway for 2nd?

Galway, Roscommon and Derry appear to be the clear top 3 but they could be in any order. We could well finish 3rd. The games against those sides will be interesting, to see where we're at.

I’d be more confident if we had one of those games at home.
Both being away makes it more difficult for us.

Doesn't Galway have a good record in Hyde Park against Roscommon? while lost two recent Connacht finals against them in Pearse Stadium. 

Quote from: Rossfan on February 27, 2022, 11:30:57 AM
That was a good win in Páirc Esler, which seemed to be a home game for Ros as not many natives in attendance.

Small crowd, judging by League Sunday. Different buzz in Down than in the Athletic Grounds where you have to come early to get a seat. 

Result in Salthill.  Galway 2-17 Offaly 3-10. Tribesmen move joint top of the table with Derry on 8 points. The defeat sends Offaly bottom but scoring difference didn't take a big hit.

We're scoring well but our score concessions are way too high.
We're just too easy to score against.

Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.

The Top 4 are Clare, Derry,Galway and Ros.
Clare will most likely be staying put. So 2 from 3.
Galway may be a work in progress but are Ros likely to bate them in a winner takes all for promotion to D1?

They play like they did last week and today then the Rossies will have every chance.
I'm looking to April and Mayo as well, I've been shocked at the general standard in Division Two, it's gone way back from the last time Galway were playing there in 2017. I couldn't make the game today but have seen enough in the other games to be concerned at what is waiting for us on the 24th, there is no COVID-19 excuses for the management team now when it comes to kickout strategies and the like.
Arguable that Mayo have been a "work in progress" for a couple of years and still made two All Ireland finals while doing it, look at the squad they have assembled now even without Conroy and O'Connor available up front. Fair enough it might be a better pool of players to pick from but there's enough players there in Galway to come up with some way of not conceding 3-10 to a team that will be likely playing in Division 3 next year.

Couldn't go myself at the last minute today either.
Our lack of full back line players able to defend 1 v 1 is what will kill us.
Other teams can get away with providing less cover at times because they have defenders able to manage okay in one v one situations. We don't have that unfortunately at the moment.
There is a reason our previous manager setup as he did.

Galway are a bit like Armagh a year ago. Armagh managed to get their defence capable of stopping big scores by the opposition while having enough forwards to win some games.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 06, 2022, 05:16:06 PM
Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.

Wouldn't get too het up yet AFU. Of the 3 things you list above, scoring ability is the hardest thing to get right and it's the one thing this team can do reasonably well, providing everyone stays healthy. Defence can and needs to be worked upon for sure. More so, tracking back by wing forwards in particular. Not sure Matthew Tierney is good at that aspect yet, needs to be developed more in him.

It could all come down to the match in the Hyde, but the Rossies failed to beat Clare there so maybe they're not as good as thought either.

Derry Roscommon a big one - that will be very interesting. I have a funny feeling Derry might be close to being the team to beat in this division but I guess the weekend will tell that story.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2022, 01:49:30 PM
Derry Roscommon a big one - that will be very interesting. I have a funny feeling Derry might be close to being the team to beat in this division but I guess the weekend will tell that story.

Looks like the stand out fixture in Division 2 this weekend. Tg4 instead have decided to cover Meath v Cork with the possibility of loser (a big traditional county) to end up in the Tailteann Cup.

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Derry Roscommon a big one - that will be very interesting. I have a funny feeling Derry might be close to being the team to beat in this division but I guess the weekend will tell that story.

Looks like the stand out fixture in Division 2 this weekend. Tg4 instead have decided to cover Meath v Cork with the possibility of loser (a big traditional county) to end up in the Tailteann Cup.

Brutal call by TG4.

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Derry Roscommon a big one - that will be very interesting. I have a funny feeling Derry might be close to being the team to beat in this division but I guess the weekend will tell that story.

Looks like the stand out fixture in Division 2 this weekend. Tg4 instead have decided to cover Meath v Cork with the possibility of loser (a big traditional county) to end up in the Tailteann Cup.

Brutal call by TG4.

Even though it's a bigger game Meath and Cork would arguably have more people watching their game than would Derry/Rossies.

Meath 0-6 (6) 
Down 0-9 (9)
Cork 2-17 (23)
Offaly 3-10 (19)

What Galway's opposition scored in their other 3 league games; their average in the 3 games ; who they played

Meath 4-27 13 points [Roscommon, Down, Offaly]
Down  2-22  9.66 points [Derry, Meath, Roscommon]
Cork 1-30 11 points [Roscommon, Clare, Derry]
Offaly 1-24 9 points [Clare, Derry, Meath]

It's one thing to be conceding big scores but conceding big scores to two teams who are struggling to score against other teams has to be a worry.

Cork and Offaly scored 2-54 (60) in their other 6 games whereas they scored a total of 5-27(42) in their two games against Galway.
An average of 10 points a game accross 6 games compared to an average of 21 points in the 2 games against Galway.

Also it's not as if this is a new issue - there's been a marked difference in what Galway have conceded under Joyce compared to Walsh.

In the previous two years in Division 1 under Joyce in the league, Galway conceded 18-167 (221 points) (An average of 20.09 over 11 league games)

There were only 2 of those 11 league games where the opposition didn't get at least one goal.

Will be very interesting to see how Galway get on against Clare, Roscommon and Derry who are the other 3 top half of the table sides, especially in terms of scores conceded.

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Quote from: imtommygunn on March 07, 2022, 01:49:30 PM
Derry Roscommon a big one - that will be very interesting. I have a funny feeling Derry might be close to being the team to beat in this division but I guess the weekend will tell that story.

Looks like the stand out fixture in Division 2 this weekend. Tg4 instead have decided to cover Meath v Cork with the possibility of loser (a big traditional county) to end up in the Tailteann Cup.

Brutal call by TG4.

Even though it's a bigger game Meath and Cork would arguably have more people watching their game than would Derry/Rossies.

Who in their right mind would want to watch the cork footballers?

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Meath 0-6 (6) 
Down 0-9 (9)
Cork 2-17 (23)
Offaly 3-10 (19)

What Galway's opposition scored in their other 3 league games; their average in the 3 games ; who they played

Meath 4-27 13 points [Roscommon, Down, Offaly]
Down  2-22  9.66 points [Derry, Meath, Roscommon]
Cork 1-30 11 points [Roscommon, Clare, Derry]
Offaly 1-24 9 points [Clare, Derry, Meath]

It's one thing to be conceding big scores but conceding big scores to two teams who are struggling to score against other teams has to be a worry.

Cork and Offaly scored 2-54 (60) in their other 6 games whereas they scored a total of 5-27(42) in their two games against Galway.
An average of 10 points a game accross 6 games compared to an average of 21 points in the 2 games against Galway.

Also it's not as if this is a new issue - there's been a marked difference in what Galway have conceded under Joyce compared to Walsh.

In the previous two years in Division 1 under Joyce in the league, Galway conceded 18-167 (221 points) (An average of 20.09 over 11 league games)

There were only 2 of those 11 league games where the opposition didn't get at least one goal.

Will be very interesting to see how Galway get on against Clare, Roscommon and Derry who are the other 3 top half of the table sides, especially in terms of scores conceded.

Derry away will tell the tale, if they can't beat Clare in Tuam forget about it.

The trend presented in 2 out of 4 matches. Meath were atrocious. Shipping high scores is not a good look in the later stages of the championship.

We don't know how good Derry are.
Galway probably have a psychological advantage over Clare and Ros but people will remember the championship.

Quote from: seafoid on March 08, 2022, 12:38:40 PM
The trend presented in 2 out of 4 matches. Meath were atrocious. Shipping high scores is not a good look in the later stages of the championship.

We don't know how good Derry are.
Galway probably have a psychological advantage over Clare and Ros but people will remember the championship.

In regards to Roscommon that hasn't been there for at least a decade and it was probably more to do with the fact that Roscommon was a team back then that weren't even good enough for division two football.

Result wise between Roscommon and Galway has been fairly even the last 6 or 7 years. Since 2016 Both have won two Connacht titles and both was won by beating each other in the finals.  Looking at the generation coming through (U17 championship results) P5 W4 L1  in favour of Roscommon.

Derry will beat roscommon and galway IMO. Very up and down peformances from those 2 whereas Derry are very consistent currently and have a laser focus on promotion by looks of it. They'll take a lot of beating the way they set up defensively and have pace on the break plus a marquee forward up front. Down to finally get a performance of some sorts and beat offaly,

Half time in the relegation four pointer in Newry. Down 0-8 Offaly 0-8

Offaly win by 1, they scored the last 4 points of the match. FT 0-15 to 0-14.

Quote from: the goal was on on March 08, 2022, 01:10:49 PM
Derry will beat roscommon and galway IMO. Very up and down peformances from those 2 whereas Derry are very consistent currently and have a laser focus on promotion by looks of it. They'll take a lot of beating the way they set up defensively and have pace on the break plus a marquee forward up front. Down to finally get a performance of some sorts and beat offaly,

Hard to argue with that. Going up to Derry next week myself and expect us to lose in all honesty.

Quote from: galwayman on March 12, 2022, 06:42:36 PM

Quote from: the goal was on on March 08, 2022, 01:10:49 PM
Derry will beat roscommon and galway IMO. Very up and down peformances from those 2 whereas Derry are very consistent currently and have a laser focus on promotion by looks of it. They'll take a lot of beating the way they set up defensively and have pace on the break plus a marquee forward up front. Down to finally get a performance of some sorts and beat offaly,

Hard to argue with that. Going up to Derry next week myself and expect us to lose in all honesty.

Can certainly argue about his view on tonights Down match. Well done to Offaly a big win for them with two home games to play.

Huge win for Offaly.

How many Kilcoo lads have come bck?

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 12, 2022, 08:33:23 PM
How many Kilcoo lads have come bck?

3

You think about 6/7 would make the panel?

Club all Ireland winners wouldn't typically correlate with a successful county team.

Kilcoo are a ruthless efficient athletic side but anytime I've watched them they are greater than the sum of their parts. They would have very few intercounty calibre players so that is not going to suddenly change Downs fortune imo.

Ros 2 up against Derry in the Hyde.
Hon the Rossies

We are poor today.
Conor Lane must be high up there as one of the worst referees in the game.
Atrocious so far.
Mayo will murder us in April.

Ros 4 up now. Would the real Derry stand up

Derry Ros ended a draw 0-12 each.

Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2022, 02:43:50 PM
Ros 4 up now. Would the real Derry stand up

Brolly not entertained sounded shite enough.

If we beat Meath we are up it looks like and still unbeaten so can't really complain fair play to the lads!

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 13, 2022, 03:41:24 PM
Derry Ros ended a draw 0-12 each.

The ref was with Derry.

Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2022, 03:42:09 PM

Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2022, 02:43:50 PM
Ros 4 up now. Would the real Derry stand up

Brolly not entertained sounded shite enough.

If we beat Meath we are up it looks like and still unbeaten so can't really complain fair play to the lads!

Not so sure. I reckon if we beat Galway, we're definitely going up. If we lose we won't go up, since Roscommon are likely to win there last two games in such a scenario.

Anyone a link to the table?

Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 13, 2022, 03:59:23 PM
Anyone a link to the table?

Galway 10
Derry 9
Roscommon 8

Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date. 

Meath and Offaly wins . Now it gets interesting

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 13, 2022, 03:41:24 PM
Derry Ros ended a draw 0-12 each.

Ros led 8-4 at half time and Derry won the 2nd half 8-4. A Div 4 standard ref destroyed the quality of the contest.

Promotion going down to the last round its seems but Galway can be promoted if they win next weekend.

Much improved performance. Really missed Menton the last few games. Cork are under performing this year so I won't look too much into it. Clare are beatable but Derry are looking impressive so that will be a true test of us. Division 2 looking much safer but no garrauntees with this team so far.

Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 13, 2022, 05:54:53 PM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 13, 2022, 03:41:24 PM
Derry Ros ended a draw 0-12 each.

Ros led 8-4 at half time and Derry won the 2nd half 8-4. A Div 4 standard ref destroyed the quality of the contest.

Promotion going down to the last round its seems but Galway can be promoted if they win next weekend.

The wind was worth 4 points
Will Ros and Galway  echo Germany and Austria at the 82 World Cup and keep Derry (Algeria) out ?

Quote from: seafoid on March 13, 2022, 08:03:21 PM

Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 13, 2022, 05:54:53 PM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 13, 2022, 03:41:24 PM
Derry Ros ended a draw 0-12 each.

Ros led 8-4 at half time and Derry won the 2nd half 8-4. A Div 4 standard ref destroyed the quality of the contest.

Promotion going down to the last round its seems but Galway can be promoted if they win next weekend.

The wind was worth 4 points
Will Ros and Galway  echo Germany and Austria at the 82 World Cup and keep Derry (Algeria) out ?

That's an unfair reflection on Galway. They beat us next week, they're promoted with a week to spare and are fully entitled to rest players the following week. That's why next week is do or die for us.

A game we shoulda won from 10- 4 up, had to get a late point to draw the game.
Probably a fair result overall and probably sounds the death knell for our Promotion hopes.
First real test this year which we half passed but a lot if questions remain.
Other than this sentence I won't make any further comments on the poor standard of the Ref or the absolute hateful trampish behaviour of the visitors' manager, many of their players and at least 1 supporter.

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.

It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

That was a disgraceful call by the referee on Shane McGuigans 2nd yellow.

Quote from: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 09:50:30 PM
That was a disgraceful call by the referee on Shane McGuigans 2nd yellow.

and to compound it he then didnt move the free up

Seen it on TV alright, shocking call, can't understand the ref directive which normally book both players in a tusssle. Sometimes it's not hard to see who's dragging the player down, then holding him down.

Rte focus on the minority of indiscretions by the Rossies, no mention of the stone wall free in Ronan Daly didn't get prior to the Stack / McGuigan incident or the certain goal Cathal Heneghan would have got if advantage rule was properly applied. The general thuggish behaviour of the Derry players & finger licker through out the game. Bull chit from rte

Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.

It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Couldn't disagree with any of that AFA.  Of all our many deficiencies, it's the total lack of a transition game plan from defence to attack that frustrates me the most.  I see no support runners off the shoulder, many times there is 80 yards space between defence and attack with almost zero out ball options.  It was so noticeable in the Offaly game last week and again today we had lads turned over time and again as they had no support close by when the ball eventually did get forward, especially in the last quarter.  We obviously have a few talented forwards but we are just not putting them in a position to execute often enough.  It won't improve dramatically in 6 or so weeks as you say but good God it needs to improve from where it is right now. 

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Gallagher is a disgrace on the line for starters, the non stop sledging ( which is a black card offence) from numerous Derry players, in particular the lad roaring at Cox when he went off.

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 10:07:21 PM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.

It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Couldn't disagree with any of that AFA.  Of all our many deficiencies, it's the total lack of a transition game plan from defence to attack that frustrates me the most.  I see no support runners off the shoulder, many times there is 80 yards space between defence and attack with almost zero out ball options.  It was so noticeable in the Offaly game last week and again today we had lads turned over time and again as they had no support close by when the ball eventually did get forward, especially in the last quarter.  We obviously have a few talented forwards but we are just not putting them in a position to execute often enough.  It won't improve dramatically in 6 or so weeks as you say but good God it needs to improve from where it is right now.

Championship is different
The team shaped up well last year until Mayo took out Walsh. I don't expect a repeat.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.

It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Speaking of Galway midfielders are Tom Flynn and Ciaran Duggan on panel?

Quote from: Gael85 on March 13, 2022, 11:48:08 PM

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 13, 2022, 08:54:01 PM

Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on March 13, 2022, 04:39:42 PM
Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.

It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Speaking of Galway midfielders are Tom Flynn and Ciaran Duggan on panel?

No. We have very few midfielders in our squad. It's an area of weakness for us.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers. 

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

Extremely cynical is what a few our boys were saying on the road home. Chris's get his head pushed into the turf too at a stage?

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

Who have Ros left to play other than Galway ?

Quote from: Rudi on March 14, 2022, 09:48:54 AM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

Those Northerners must have dared to make a few tackles again!

Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
Who have Ros left to play other than Galway ?

They play Offaly this weekend which should put them up to 10 points. If Galway beat Derry that'd be Galway 12, Roscommon 10 and Derry 9. In that scenario Galway could rest a heap of players for their last league game v Roscommon and use their squad. That's why it's a must win game for Derry v Galway.

Quote from: Rudi on March 14, 2022, 09:48:54 AM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 10:13:03 AM

Quote from: Rudi on March 14, 2022, 09:48:54 AM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook[b][/b]. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

5 minutes on bookface ;D ;D would ya stopp like a good ladeen ;D

Quote from: lenny on March 14, 2022, 10:01:41 AM

Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
Who have Ros left to play other than Galway ?

They play Offaly this weekend which should put them up to 10 points. If Galway beat Derry that'd be Galway 12, Roscommon 10 and Derry 9. In that scenario Galway could rest a heap of players for their last league game v Roscommon and use their squad. That's why it's a must win game for Derry v Galway.

GRMA

Quote from: Rudi on March 14, 2022, 10:41:16 AM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 10:13:03 AM

Quote from: Rudi on March 14, 2022, 09:48:54 AM

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook[b][/b]. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

5 minutes on bookface ;D ;D would ya stopp like a good ladeen ;D

Doesn't negate from the point whatsoever. Embarrassing as I said.

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 10:56:39 AM

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Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 10:13:03 AM

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Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook[b][/b]. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

5 minutes on bookface ;D ;D would ya stopp like a good ladeen ;D

Doesn't negate from the point whatsoever. Embarrassing as I said.

Ros would have won by 6+ points only for a disgrace of a referee. Derry players were nothing short of thugs and your manager a sc**bag. chrissy mckaigue was an embarrassment and its an awful pity someone didnt take the clowns head off. . I expected more from Derry giving all the talk about them. They can thank the ref and the wanna be celebrity linesman for the point they got yesterday.

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Quote from: oakleaflad on March 14, 2022, 09:32:12 AM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook[b][/b]. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

5 minutes on bookface ;D ;D would ya stopp like a good ladeen ;D

Doesn't negate from the point whatsoever. Embarrassing as I said.

Ros would have won by 6+ points only for a disgrace of a referee. Derry players were nothing short of thugs and your manager a sc**bag. chrissy mckaigue was an embarrassment and its an awful pity someone didnt take the clowns head off. . I expected more from Derry giving all the talk about them. They can thank the ref and the wanna be celebrity linesman for the point they got yesterday.

I'm sure we're no angels and this is the level we're at, probably in or around the 10th best side in the country. That part is what it is. The referee may have been poor too and decisions could and should have went both ways.

I do find it hugely ironic and hypocritical though that we're being branded as thugs when Roscommon clearly targeted our best forward and dragged him and pinned him to the ground repeatedly.

No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

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No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

The black card to Cian McKeon on 40 mins seem to be one of the games biggest turning points. 11-5 at the stage, what was it for was it the correct call?

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Quote from: kopite on March 14, 2022, 12:11:04 PM
No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

The black card to Cian McKeon on 40 mins seem to be one of the games biggest turning points. 11-5 at the stage, what was it for was it the correct call?

I would say third man in after the Derry player dump tackled Heneghan to the ground. McKeon went in a pulled the Derry player off Henghan. Laughable really.
Conor Cox got hit off the ball and somehow got a yellow for it. Ref was just a joke all round.

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No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

The black card to Cian McKeon on 40 mins seem to be one of the games biggest turning points. 11-5 at the stage, what was it for was it the correct call?

I would say third man in after the Derry player dump tackled Heneghan to the ground. McKeon went in a pulled the Derry player off Henghan. Laughable really.
Conor Cox got hit off the ball and somehow got a yellow for it. Ref was just a joke all round.

Was never a fan of the black card to begin how its stayed as long as it has is a mystery to me. Refs are confused enough, should go back to the yellow and red card offences only IMO.

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Awful performance in Tuam.  So many issues that are not being addressed or improved namely kick-outs, transition from defence to attack, midfield, support runners for the man in possession etc.  We are so much less than the sum of our parts right now.  Need to win one of our final 2 games to go back to Div 1 which we just might manage although it's hard to have much confidence that we will beat either Ros or Derry away, that for sure.  One thing that is sure is that we will get pummelled by Mayo in Castlebar next month, miles off that level based on our league games to date.

It's important to get back to Division One, mental to have 10 points on the board not be assured but it's the mini league with Rossies and Derry that will decide the two to go up. Would be disaster to not make it up, have a feeling it will come down to a winner take all game against Roscommon.
I'd be worried about the Mayo game but I think the issues you outlined there are not things that can be completely fixed in 6 weeks, I would have expected to see improvements in the matches against what is, outside of Rossies and Derry, a really, really poor crop of Division Two teams this year, but haven't really. There's patches in games where it looks OK but not at a consistent enough level, it's not like it's been a different selection of players every week either. Certain areas such as FB line and midfield plenty of questions still. Tackling technique is good one minute and awful the next, conceding way too many goals.
Get a win in one of the next two matches and actually show up against Mayo then the performances to date won't matter but it's been much the same team in every match and it doesn't look like one that will get near the top teams in championship.
Comer fully fit and scoring is big plus and Sean Kelly would make any team in the country, if Shane Walsh is on form then there's 3 lads that take serious minding, up to other players like Finnerty and McDaid that are around the panel a while now need to step up into bigger roles or we'll go nowhere in the summer. Pity Cooke isn't available, could really do with him as an option out around the middle. Might seem strange to have so many Galway supporters unhappy after 5 wins from 5 but for anyone who has been at the matches, they can see what's coming down the tracks, the standard in Division Two is so far off Division One it's hard to believe and Cork who are an absolute mess of an outfit stuck 2-17 past Galway.
Mayo are going into April with zero respect for and zero fear of Galway, at the end of the day there's no valid argument to be made saying it should be otherwise either.

Speaking of Galway midfielders are Tom Flynn and Ciaran Duggan on panel?

No. We have very few midfielders in our squad. It's an area of weakness for us.

Can't pretend to have any optimism for the summer ahead, midfield though is clearly a huge issue. Add Cooke to the 2 lads named above, I assume James McLaughlin is injured as he's not been named on a matchday panel so far.

Looks like Galway have had a 15 minute purple patch in every game so far where they've scored 7/8 points without reply, going to have to do a lot more then that to give Mayo a game in 5 weeks time. Getting out of this division is imperative to Galway going forward, spending 2 years in it would be a disaster.

Are Galway top or bottom of the table...

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Are Galway top or bottom of the table...

Bottom of the table in their effort at poor mouthing.

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Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

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Are Galway top or bottom of the table...

Bottom of the table in their effort at poor mouthing.

Funny man

The Derry - Galway game is very difficult to call. Galway supporters going on about how poor they are, but still beating teams by decent margins. They generally go bad against defensive teams like Derry. The mini league between Derry - Roscommon - Galway is interesting & has got people talking. McGuigan is a fine player for Derry & will take serious watching. Outside of that they don't have any other scoring forwards, they flood the defense & counter attack at speed. Galway better have a stomach for a battle cause they face 2 huge battles in consecutive weeks. The 3 teams have made division 2 intriguing.

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Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/malmcmullan/videos/5298334633518821

Your man going buck daft at the end giving the fingers etc obviously has serious issues.

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Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/malmcmullan/videos/5298334633518821

The only man making a fool out of himself, was McGuigan spitting the dummy out of the pram. That got a deserved reaction from the Rossie crowd. I won't dispute Roscommon team were cynical in holding McGuigan on the ground, the last free was a free too. But Roscommon had a stone wall free in moments before, as said before we got nothing from the ref after 10mins. The reason Derry came back in the first place was the non playing of advantage for a certain goal when 5 points up + the black carding of McKeown for pulling a Derry man who was knocking f_ck out of a Rossie. Very biased stuff from rte & Derry.

watched that video, outrageous Mc Guigan getting a black card. Thon lines man couldn't complain if got a slap. His collusion with the fouler  :o

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Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/malmcmullan/videos/5298334633518821

The only man making a fool out of himself, was McGuigan spitting the dummy out of the pram. That got a deserved reaction from the Rossie crowd. I won't dispute Roscommon team were cynical in holding McGuigan on the ground, the last free was a free too. But Roscommon had a stone wall free in moments before, as said before we got nothing from the ref after 10mins. The reason Derry came back in the first place was the non playing of advantage for a certain goal when 5 points up + the black carding of McKeown for pulling a Derry man who was knocking f_ck out of a Rossie. Very biased stuff from rte & Derry.

You said it was ironic earlier? Go back and watch it again and get the story straight 'ladeen'.

McGuigan was rightly annoyed to have been sent off. He held his emotions together better, given the circumstances, than a few in the crowd.

The fact you watch that video and single out McGuigan as the one making a fool of himself is embarrassing.

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Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/malmcmullan/videos/5298334633518821

Thanks

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 10:06:51 PM
Thuggish behaviour in as what?

Shane McGuigan constantly dragged down and pinned to the ground and the Rossie fans cheering away when he got the 2nd yellow. They'd want to look at themselves before pointing any fingers.

It was an ironic cheer from the Rossie supporters, we got nothing off the ref bar the first 10mins & that incident involving McGuigan, he cost us the game. As regards looking at yourselves, Joe public will soon see Derry for what they are.

I just watched a video from the stand of the last 5 mins again there on Facebook. Embarrassing from a Rossie perspective. Joe public will soon see Roscommon for what they are.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to watch it. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/malmcmullan/videos/5298334633518821

The only man making a fool out of himself, was McGuigan spitting the dummy out of the pram. That got a deserved reaction from the Rossie crowd. I won't dispute Roscommon team were cynical in holding McGuigan on the ground, the last free was a free too. But Roscommon had a stone wall free in moments before, as said before we got nothing from the ref after 10mins. The reason Derry came back in the first place was the non playing of advantage for a certain goal when 5 points up + the black carding of McKeown for pulling a Derry man who was knocking f_ck out of a Rossie. Very biased stuff from rte & Derry.

You said it was ironic earlier? Go back and watch it again and get the story straight 'ladeen'.

McGuigan was rightly annoyed to have been sent off. He held his emotions together better, given the circumstances, than a few in the crowd.

The fact you watch that video and single out McGuigan as the one making a fool of himself is embarrassing.

I inform myself on the 80 mins I saw in person, not the 5 minutes you seen from bookface. The Irish times report on the game gives a decent unbiased version of events. McGuigan should not have got a black card, he was off for 30 seconds. Daly was sent off for 2 yellows neither were yellows, McKeown getting a black was daft from a ref that cost us the game.

Side note on the game, if McGuigan gets black, should the ball have been thrown up on the 65 instead of a free in on the 45, would like to know the rule around this.

It's clear to see what players are the ones doing the scummy actions.

That ref needs a kick in the hole for sending McGuigan off for that. 

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No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

The black card to Cian McKeon on 40 mins seem to be one of the games biggest turning points. 11-5 at the stage, what was it for was it the correct call?

I would say third man in after the Derry player dump tackled Heneghan to the ground. McKeon went in a pulled the Derry player off Henghan. Laughable really.
Conor Cox got hit off the ball and somehow got a yellow for it. Ref was just a joke all round.

Was never a fan of the black card to begin how its stayed as long as it has is a mystery to me. Refs are confused enough, should go back to the yellow and red card offences only IMO.

Totally agree as regards the Black Card , It was introduced because of  Sean  Cavanagh tackle on Colm Mc Manus , What should be the punishment?  It was almost a certain goal (95%)  It should have being Red  card  for Sean and a Penalty for Monaghan  like soccer   (last man and a  goal scoring opportunity) 

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No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

The black card to Cian McKeon on 40 mins seem to be one of the games biggest turning points. 11-5 at the stage, what was it for was it the correct call?

I would say third man in after the Derry player dump tackled Heneghan to the ground. McKeon went in a pulled the Derry player off Henghan. Laughable really.
Conor Cox got hit off the ball and somehow got a yellow for it. Ref was just a joke all round.

Was never a fan of the black card to begin how its stayed as long as it has is a mystery to me. Refs are confused enough, should go back to the yellow and red card offences only IMO.

Totally agree as regards the Black Card , It was introduced because of  Sean  Cavanagh tackle on Colm Mc Manus , What should be the punishment?  It was almost a certain goal (95%)  It should have being Red  card  for Sean and a Penalty for Monaghan  like soccer   (last man and a  goal scoring opportunity)

nope

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No angels on either side yesterday oakleaf..both sides gave and took it..that's why a good ref was needed not the amateur (aren't they all😊)with the whistle yesterday ..bad calls both ways ..dalys two yellows were a joke as were mcguigans..the heneghan incident was crucial but rte ignored it..fair result in the end and both teams will learn from it..Galway still have their two hardest games with their star player out of form according to his manager  so let's see where the cards fall in two weeks time ..

The black card to Cian McKeon on 40 mins seem to be one of the games biggest turning points. 11-5 at the stage, what was it for was it the correct call?

I would say third man in after the Derry player dump tackled Heneghan to the ground. McKeon went in a pulled the Derry player off Henghan. Laughable really.
Conor Cox got hit off the ball and somehow got a yellow for it. Ref was just a joke all round.

Was never a fan of the black card to begin how its stayed as long as it has is a mystery to me. Refs are confused enough, should go back to the yellow and red card offences only IMO.

Totally agree as regards the Black Card , It was introduced because of  Sean  Cavanagh tackle on Colm Mc Manus , What should be the punishment?  It was almost a certain goal (95%)  It should have being Red  card  for Sean and a Penalty for Monaghan  like soccer   (last man and a  goal scoring opportunity)

nope

Correct it had already been passed before then

The urban myth still persists I'm so many minds.

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It's clear to see what players are the ones doing the scummy actions.

That ref needs a kick in the hole for sending McGuigan off for that.

That wasn't even close to his worst decision of the day. Not given Heneghan advantage was one of the worst calls i ever seen. He was clean through before he decided to blow the whistle. Didnt give a free in for Daly near the end. Booked Cox for getting hit off the ball. Derry will do well to ever get such a favourable ref again,

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It's clear to see what players are the ones doing the scummy actions.

That ref needs a kick in the hole for sending McGuigan off for that.

That wasn't even close to his worst decision of the day. Not given Heneghan advantage was one of the worst calls i ever seen. He was clean through before he decided to blow the whistle. Didnt give a free in for Daly near the end. Booked Cox for getting hit off the ball. Derry will do well to ever get such a favourable ref again,

A team plying their trade in Div 4 in 2019 doesn't roll over and get their bellies tickled at your home ground on Sunday . You're taking this very badly Oliver

The odds are close, unless Derry are still traumatised after last Sunday

Derry 11/10
Galway evens

An Ulster Ref appointed.
That's Derry 3 pts up already :-\

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An Ulster Ref appointed.
That's Derry 3 pts up already :-\

We beat Monaghan with an Ulster ref and drew with Donegal. No excuses.

They were 26 Co teams/venues :P
However a super team like ye would have bet Donegal and hammered Monaghan with non Ulster refs.

Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

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Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

I take it from your username you're a Tyrone man. So another 5 minutes of bookface to draw conclusions on an 80 minute game, your some craic.
I was at the Tyrone V Donegal U20 game on Saturday (yeah I get around) do Tyrone folk know the rules of the game? The ones around me screaming & roaring not a clue did they have.

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Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

I take it from your username you're a Tyrone man. So another 5 minutes of bookface to draw conclusions on an 80 minute game, your some craic.
I was at the Tyrone V Donegal U20 game on Saturday (yeah I get around) do Tyrone folk know the rules of the game? The ones around me screaming & roaring not a clue did they have.

How very perceptive of you Rudi, I am indeed from Tyrone however I'm based in the West now so I thought I'd take a look at my Ulster neighbors. I unfortunately did get to see the full 80 minutes  and Roscommon were no angels, and fair play to them, however some of the posters on here describing the Derry players as thugs must of had their rose tinted glasses on watching their own team play, also the crowds reaction to McGuigans sending off was a bit crass.

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Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

I take it from your username you're a Tyrone man. So another 5 minutes of bookface to draw conclusions on an 80 minute game, your some craic.
I was at the Tyrone V Donegal U20 game on Saturday (yeah I get around) do Tyrone folk know the rules of the game? The ones around me screaming & roaring not a clue did they have.

How very perceptive of you Rudi, I am indeed from Tyrone however I'm based in the West now so I thought I'd take a look at my Ulster neighbors. I unfortunately did get to see the full 80 minutes  and Roscommon were no angels, and fair play to them, however some of the posters on here describing the Derry players as thugs must of had their rose tinted glasses on watching their own team play, also the crowds reaction to McGuigans sending off was a bit crass.

A true Gael, fair play. Probably correct about looking at the game with rose tinted glasses. Cunningham has put a bit of the aul devil in us. I suppose you have to adapt to survive.

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Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

I take it from your username you're a Tyrone man. So another 5 minutes of bookface to draw conclusions on an 80 minute game, your some craic.
I was at the Tyrone V Donegal U20 game on Saturday (yeah I get around) do Tyrone folk know the rules of the game? The ones around me screaming & roaring not a clue did they have.

How very perceptive of you Rudi, I am indeed from Tyrone however I'm based in the West now so I thought I'd take a look at my Ulster neighbors. I unfortunately did get to see the full 80 minutes  and Roscommon were no angels, and fair play to them, however some of the posters on here describing the Derry players as thugs must of had their rose tinted glasses on watching their own team play, also the crowds reaction to McGuigans sending off was a bit crass.

A true Gael, fair play. Probably correct about looking at the game with rose tinted glasses. Cunningham has put a bit of the aul devil in us. I suppose you have to adapt to survive.

Cunningham and Gallagher have both teams set up well with a bit of steel, at the moment I'd fancy both to take out Tyrone if they met in the championship

Quote from: 03,05,08 on March 15, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

Fierce moaners the Rossies

Quote from: JoG2 on March 15, 2022, 03:25:43 PM

Quote from: 03,05,08 on March 15, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

Fierce moaners the Rossies

Seems to be a Connacht trait.

Mayo moaned about the advantages Dublin had while lost sight of that fact that Dublin was there to be beaten and found ways to lose themselves. Galway moaning after winning five games in a row if they are as bad as some Galway heads claim here then Derry will secure promotion this weekend.

When did Derry last beat Galway?
I can't remember any time recently. They always seemed like a bogey team for us.
98/2001 still hurt :(

Quote from: JoG2 on March 15, 2022, 03:25:43 PM

Quote from: 03,05,08 on March 15, 2022, 11:06:25 AM
Roscommon fans are some craic, pulled and dragged at McGuigan all day and mostly got away with it and are crying about the ref

Fierce moaners the Rossies

You must have great eyesight ;)

Quote from: tbrick18 on March 15, 2022, 05:01:14 PM
When did Derry last beat Galway?
I can't remember any time recently. They always seemed like a bogey team for us.
98/2001 still hurt :(

Yep, Galway always seemed like a bogey side for us. Also can't remember when we last beat them. Not sure that'll change this weekend either.

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 15, 2022, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on March 15, 2022, 05:01:14 PM
When did Derry last beat Galway?
I can't remember any time recently. They always seemed like a bogey team for us.
98/2001 still hurt :(

Yep, Galway always seemed like a bogey side for us. Also can't remember when we last beat them. Not sure that'll change this weekend either.

In 2009 we drew with Galway at Glen in division one. In 2010 we beat Galway away also in division one but we got relegated that year.

2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

That was some game I'm still not sure how Derry lost it... Enda Muldoon getting assaulted every time the ball went into FF had a good bit to do with it though.

Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2022, 09:58:02 PM

Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

That was some game I'm still not sure how Derry lost it... Enda Muldoon getting assaulted every time the ball went into FF had a good bit to do with it though.

Armagh and Throne were the coming teams then. That Derry team didn't kick on

Quote from: lenny on March 15, 2022, 07:09:21 PM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 15, 2022, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on March 15, 2022, 05:01:14 PM
When did Derry last beat Galway?
I can't remember any time recently. They always seemed like a bogey team for us.
98/2001 still hurt :(

Yep, Galway always seemed like a bogey side for us. Also can't remember when we last beat them. Not sure that'll change this weekend either.

In 2009 we drew with Galway at Glen in division one. In 2010 we beat Galway away also in division one but we got relegated that year.

Yes, remember that game. Landed in and Galway warming up on the side pitch. Was it Enda Lynn's league debut?

Quote from: JoG2 on March 15, 2022, 10:07:00 PM

Quote from: lenny on March 15, 2022, 07:09:21 PM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 15, 2022, 05:31:41 PM

Quote from: tbrick18 on March 15, 2022, 05:01:14 PM
When did Derry last beat Galway?
I can't remember any time recently. They always seemed like a bogey team for us.
98/2001 still hurt :(

Yep, Galway always seemed like a bogey side for us. Also can't remember when we last beat them. Not sure that'll change this weekend either.

In 2009 we drew with Galway at Glen in division one. In 2010 we beat Galway away also in division one but we got relegated that year.

Yes, remember that game. Landed in and Galway warming up on the side pitch. Was it Enda Lynn's league debut?

Not sure but I remember it was a real shootout between 2 class forwards. Michael Meehan scored 1.5 and Paddy Bradley scored 0.7. Big crowd there also.

Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2022, 09:58:02 PM

Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

That was some game I'm still not sure how Derry lost it... Enda Muldoon getting assaulted every time the ball went into FF had a good bit to do with it though.

Was on the Hill that day. Remember Matthew Clancy's late goal like it was yesterday.

Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2022, 09:58:02 PM

Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

That was some game I'm still not sure how Derry lost it... Enda Muldoon getting assaulted every time the ball went into FF had a good bit to do with it though.

Ah FFS you're starting to sound like a whinging Rossie, as far as i can recall that was a great game of football and we had nobody to blame other than ourselves for getting beat that day. 

Quote from: galwayman on March 16, 2022, 10:13:49 AM

Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2022, 09:58:02 PM

Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

That was some game I'm still not sure how Derry lost it... Enda Muldoon getting assaulted every time the ball went into FF had a good bit to do with it though.

Was on the Hill that day. Remember Matthew Clancy's late goal like it was yesterday.

Was there a U2 concert the night before? I was at it then hengin for this match. Wasnt optimistic but livened up last ten when i thought we'd a chance then that goal brought the hangover right back.

Far more depressin was the previous semi when Derry had a great team, didnt realise it then but Galway had a great team but still one Derry left behind to an extent...

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Quote from: galwayman on March 16, 2022, 10:13:49 AM

Quote from: screenexile on March 15, 2022, 09:58:02 PM

Quote from: seafoid on March 15, 2022, 08:09:36 PM
2001 was very memorable. Beat Ros and Derry on the way to Sam.
It didn't look great after the first Ros match.

That was some game I'm still not sure how Derry lost it... Enda Muldoon getting assaulted every time the ball went into FF had a good bit to do with it though.

Was on the Hill that day. Remember Matthew Clancy's late goal like it was yesterday.

Was there a U2 concert the night before? I was at it then hengin for this match. Wasnt optimistic but livened up last ten when i thought we'd a chance then that goal brought the hangover right back.

Far more depressin was the previous semi when Derry had a great team, didnt realise it then but Galway had a great team but still one Derry left behind to an extent...

You gotta take your chances.

Heard Gaelic Life tweeted that Shane McGuigan has a 1 game suspension. That's us screwed.

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 16, 2022, 03:19:36 PM
Heard Gaelic Life tweeted that Shane McGuigan has a 1 game suspension. That's us screwed.

Suspension is currently being appealed... That ref made some haims of it

Quote from: JoG2 on March 16, 2022, 03:27:12 PM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 16, 2022, 03:19:36 PM
Heard Gaelic Life tweeted that Shane McGuigan has a 1 game suspension. That's us screwed.

Suspension is currently being appealed... That ref made some haims of it

The suspension is for the foul mouth abuse at the officials, they'll do well to win the appeal.

Quote from: Blowitupref on March 16, 2022, 03:32:35 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on March 16, 2022, 03:27:12 PM

Quote from: oakleaflad on March 16, 2022, 03:19:36 PM
Heard Gaelic Life tweeted that Shane McGuigan has a 1 game suspension. That's us screwed.

Suspension is currently being appealed... That ref made some haims of it

The suspension is for the foul mouth abuse at the officials, they'll do well to win the appeal.

What did he say?

If Galway do win will their posters still be downbeat?

If the red card wasn't warranted in the first place then the suspension is very harsh.
He was obviously going to voice his displeasure if he felt it was in the wrong.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
If Galway do win will their posters still be downbeat?

People outside can say what they like - the Galway lads on here being downbeat (myself included) have been at the games and seen with their own eyes how we are going.
The way we have been playing - if we were in division one - we would be relegated simple as that.
Our pessimism is with a view to the championship in 6 weeks time. We have no chance of beating Mayo based on performances so far this year. Yes we have 5 wins but we have played Meath, Down, Cork, Offaly and Clare. All of them would be beaten easily by any division one team.
That's just the reality though I wish it weren't so.

Quote from: galwayman on March 16, 2022, 04:21:12 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
If Galway do win will their posters still be downbeat?

People outside can say what they like - the Galway lads on here being downbeat (myself included) have been at the games and seen with their own eyes how we are going.
The way we have been playing - if we were in division one - we would be relegated simple as that.
Our pessimism is with a view to the championship in 6 weeks time. We have no chance of beating Mayo based on performances so far this year. Yes we have 5 wins but we have played Meath, Down, Cork, Offaly and Clare. All of them would be beaten easily by any division one team.
That's just the reality though I wish it weren't so.

Mayo last year was less than convincing in their Division 2 wins against Clare and Westmeath.

Division 2 is probably more about getting results than performances. Training and preparation then steps up for the championship.

Will Mayowestros be overly bothered about a Connacht  game in April?

Quote from: galwayman on March 16, 2022, 04:21:12 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
If Galway do win will their posters still be downbeat?

People outside can say what they like - the Galway lads on here being downbeat (myself included) have been at the games and seen with their own eyes how we are going.
The way we have been playing - if we were in division one - we would be relegated simple as that.
Our pessimism is with a view to the championship in 6 weeks time. We have no chance of beating Mayo based on performances so far this year. Yes we have 5 wins but we have played Meath, Down, Cork, Offaly and Clare. All of them would be beaten easily by any division one team.
That's just the reality though I wish it weren't so.

100%, sure the standard in Division Two is absolute muck compared to the top teams, one of which we have to beat to progress at the end of April.
We all want Galway to be a top team and competing for All Irelands, wishful thinking and talking a team up isn't going to change the reality as you rightly point out, I'd love to have a bit of (warranted) arrogance about where Galway are at but it's 21 years since we last saw the final match of the year, it's by far the worst run in our history and unless someone figures out how to clone 14 more Sean Kelly's in the next few weeks I've seen nothing to indicate that it's going to change anytime soon, would only love to be flat out wrong of course.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2022, 04:52:25 PM
Will Mayowestros be overly bothered about a Connacht  game in April?

Mayo lads are not one bit worried about the result of that match.

It was never a sending off but McGuigan will learn a harsh lesson here no matter how unfair it seems you can't slag off the officials and it's hard to argue against that.

The game has swayed massively in Galways favour... -1 at even money looks a great bet!!

Will be interesting to see how our lads respond it's a big test they need to be competitive.

Quote from: screenexile on March 17, 2022, 12:47:07 PM
It was never a sending off but McGuigan will learn a harsh lesson here no matter how unfair it seems you can't slag off the officials and it's hard to argue against that.

The game has swayed massively in Galways favour... -1 at even money looks a great bet!!

Will be interesting to see how our lads respond it's a big test they need to be competitive.

Did he slag off the officials or the officials decision? Goughs word against McGuigans. The decision to send off McGuigan with him trying to get away from the defender and up to support was a disgrace.

Quote from: JoG2 on March 17, 2022, 12:56:25 PM

Quote from: screenexile on March 17, 2022, 12:47:07 PM
It was never a sending off but McGuigan will learn a harsh lesson here no matter how unfair it seems you can't slag off the officials and it's hard to argue against that.

The game has swayed massively in Galways favour... -1 at even money looks a great bet!!

Will be interesting to see how our lads respond it's a big test they need to be competitive.

Did he slag off the officials or the officials decision? Goughs word against McGuigans. The decision to send off McGuigan with him trying to get away from the defender and up to support was a disgrace.

Gough was doing the linesman duties and it was him that seemed to make the decision for the ref. When McGuigan left the field he clearly has some choice words at Gough, and thats what the one game ban is for.  Derry appealed it but was unsuccessful.

So our whole league season could/ likely be due to a terrible ref call and a sensitive linesman. McGuigan normally wouldn't act like that but the standard of reffing over the entire country is dire, and some decisions made at high level in regards booking offenses for both players in a tangle when only 1 causes it, yellow card for high level tackles when some are red,

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 16, 2022, 05:26:50 PM

Quote from: galwayman on March 16, 2022, 04:21:12 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
If Galway do win will their posters still be downbeat?

People outside can say what they like - the Galway lads on here being downbeat (myself included) have been at the games and seen with their own eyes how we are going.
The way we have been playing - if we were in division one - we would be relegated simple as that.
Our pessimism is with a view to the championship in 6 weeks time. We have no chance of beating Mayo based on performances so far this year. Yes we have 5 wins but we have played Meath, Down, Cork, Offaly and Clare. All of them would be beaten easily by any division one team.
That's just the reality though I wish it weren't so.

100%, sure the standard in Division Two is absolute muck compared to the top teams, one of which we have to beat to progress at the end of April.
We all want Galway to be a top team and competing for All Irelands, wishful thinking and talking a team up isn't going to change the reality as you rightly point out, I'd love to have a bit of (warranted) arrogance about where Galway are at but it's 21 years since we last saw the final match of the year, it's by far the worst run in our history and unless someone figures out how to clone 14 more Sean Kelly's in the next few weeks I've seen nothing to indicate that it's going to change anytime soon, would only love to be flat out wrong of course.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 16, 2022, 04:52:25 PM
Will Mayowestros be overly bothered about a Connacht  game in April?

Mayo lads are not one bit worried about the result of that match.

And nobody around the team seems to be  interested in fixing the operational faults that tend to pop up 15 minutes into the second half in the AIF. Galway have won as many Sams as Mayo since 2013

He shouldn't have being sent off , But I am sure he had some choice words  for ""Gough""  so that  is not on either, part of the problem is  we have a game that at times doesn't seem to have rules(a lot of grey areas) or they are not enforced ,  and  there is no Consistency from ref to ref, . But there is no respect for Officials from players managers or supporters (this goes all the way down to club underage games) Indeed when I played myself ,back in the day I often led the abuse of Officials because I got away with it simple as.  This has being  a problem for years .Rugby would be a sport that officials are respected . First we need to give officials respect  and have zero tolerance, Then We can work on improving performance of referees  and perhaps more people (better will be open to refereeing )Then we need to define rules better, When watching and ref blows his whistle for a free  we should  know immediately which way the free is going,

At inter-county level in the last three years, how many players have served a suspension for verbal abuse of an official?

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 17, 2022, 03:57:51 PM
At inter-county level in the last three years, how many players have served a suspension for verbal abuse of an official?

No idea however its probably as much about the official McGuigan gave the verbal abuse too. Gough as we seen in the Armagh Tyrone match he's looking to lay down the law.

Not surprised to hear that Gough is the official in question.
He is a complete attention seeker.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 17, 2022, 04:08:55 PM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 17, 2022, 03:57:51 PM
At inter-county level in the last three years, how many players have served a suspension for verbal abuse of an official?

No idea however its probably as much about the official McGuigan gave the verbal abuse too. Gough as we seen in the Armagh Tyrone match he's looking to lay down the law.

It shouldn't be though.

But on that topic, how many players have been reported for verbal abuse of that particular official in the last three years.

He shouldn't be officiating at another game.

Quote from: galwayman on March 16, 2022, 04:21:12 PM

Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
If Galway do win will their posters still be downbeat?

People outside can say what they like - the Galway lads on here being downbeat (myself included) have been at the games and seen with their own eyes how we are going.
The way we have been playing - if we were in division one - we would be relegated simple as that.
Our pessimism is with a view to the championship in 6 weeks time. We have no chance of beating Mayo based on performances so far this year. Yes we have 5 wins but we have played Meath, Down, Cork, Offaly and Clare. All of them would be beaten easily by any division one team.
That's just the reality though I wish it weren't so.

Bit too much pessimism in there I feel. We haven't played too well in some, maybe most, matches yet are still top scorers and, for now, unbeaten. The defensive frailties shown against Cork and Offaly were addressed to an extent against Clare. And refreshingly I think nearly all players who should be in the squad are there, barring injury. (Some would have Ml. Daly there but not I I'm afraid). No way would we be relegated from Div. I. Kildare nor any of the northern teams who usually struggle to amass bigger score would be little better than ourselves. As seen by the recent Kerry game, Mayo too for all their strengths are not prolific; over-reliant on Donoghue the last evening and yet to re-integrate C O'Connor back into the squad.

Strangely, I've more faith in the big ballers this season than hurlers.

I think the forward unit is decent and superior to the backs. It was the same in 1998.
Mayo struggle to find scoring forwards.

If Gough has gotten Mc Guigan suspended for saying 'thats a f**king joke' and thats if, as its here say thats what was said, on top of what he actually got him a black card that was simply wrong, he is very quickly becoming a proper p***k and abusing his position.

Yeh, blame the ref.....

I can't help but think of a comparison between innocent people escaping from prison and getting prosecuted...

It's tough this. I get they need to be promoting respect for officials but this is harsh in the extreme. It's a bit like the clergy comment someone made there. It's not like he decked the referee or anything - it was words.

Refs get constant abuse, so can't recruit refs, it's a vicious circle; don't know why refs tolerate it. Would you want your son/daughter becoming a ref?

I never wanted to become one myself never mind anyone else...

You look at the preparation though that goes into these games and then say division one football at stake for a county that's been in the doldrums for a while and I would say it's hard to take. Maybe he shouldn't have reacted the way he did but he's only human and did by all accounts spend the day taking abuse so if you were getting hauled and dragged for about 60 minutes then you get a red card for getting hauled and dragged for 60 minutes I would guess it would be hard to keep your cool.

A lot of lads must have great eyesight, especially those who weren't even at the game.
One lad has 2 IFs, then "here say" (sic) before declaring linesman Gough a "total p***k".
Gough should have complained  Gallagher to the Ref and had him removed to the Stand after about 10 minutes.
Non stop encroachment on the pitch, in Gough's ear moaning every decision etc
He was given a meaningless yellow card near the end ::)
The players had no issues with each other at full time, it was friendly pats on backs, handshakes etc all round.

Quote from: imtommygunn on March 18, 2022, 04:22:40 PM
I can't help but think of a comparison between innocent people escaping from prison and getting prosecuted...

It's tough this. I get they need to be promoting respect for officials but this is harsh in the extreme. It's a bit like the clergy comment someone made there. It's not like he decked the referee or anything - it was words.

Its in the rules.
Verbal abuse

Quote from: Rossfan on March 18, 2022, 04:42:42 PM
A lot of lads must have great eyesight, especially those who weren't even at the game.
One lad has 2 IFs, then "here say" (sic) before declaring linesman Gough a "total p***k".
Gough should have complained  Gallagher to the Ref and had him removed to the Stand after about 10 minutes.
Non stop encroachment on the pitch, in Gough's ear moaning every decision etc
He was given a meaningless yellow card near the end ::)
The players had no issues with each other at full time, it was friendly pats on backs, handshakes etc all round.

Gallagher is well renowned for that everywhere he goes.

On the game itself this weekend, I think we'll struggle. Galway have a few better forwards and that should be the difference.

A Galway win means they're promoted so naturally we're hoping for that (for once!!).
Ros have to win our 2 games no matter what happens in Owenbeg because Derry will hardly lose to Meath.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 18, 2022, 05:16:30 PM
A Galway win means they're promoted so naturally we're hoping for that (for once!!).
Ros have to win our 2 games no matter what happens in Owenbeg because Derry will hardly lose to Meath.

GRMA!
Meath are improving

Galway will win soley on the fact I don't know who do Derry scoring, and Galway got a better spread of scoring forwards. Do seem very loose in defence though. I expect McFaul and McKinless to start up front.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 18, 2022, 07:24:28 PM
Galway will win soley on the fact I don't know who do Derry scoring, and Galway got a better spread of scoring forwards. Do seem very loose in defence though. I expect McFaul and McKinless to start up front.

Would 04-10 be enough to win it?

Galway's starting team and subs for Sunday against Derry.

1. Conor Flaherty (Claregalway)
2. Jack Glynn (Claregalway)
2. Kieran Molloy (Corofin)
4. Liam Silke (Corofin)
5. Dylan McHugh (Corofin)
6. John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough)
7. Cillian McDaid (Monivea Abbey)
8. Paul Kelly (Cumann Peile Mhaigh Cuilinn)
9. Paul Conroy (St. James)
10. Matthew Tierney (Oughterard)
11. Owen Gallagher (Maigh Cuilinn)
12. Johnny Heaney (Killannin)
13. Robert Finnerty (Salthill Knocknacarra)
14. Damien Comer (Annaghdowngaa)
15. Shane Walsh (Kilkerrin/Clonberne)
Subs
16. Connor Gleeson (Dunmore MacHales)
17. Jonathan McGrath (Caherlistrane)
18. Seán Kelly (Maigh Cuilinn)
19. Seán Fitzgerald (CLG Bhearna)
20. Tony Gill (Corofin)
21. Niall Daly (Kilconly)
22. Cathal Sweeney (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
23. Dylan Canney (Corofin)
24. Dessie Conneely (Maigh Cuilinn)
25. Tomo Culhane (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
26. Eoin Finnerty (Mountbellew/Moylough)

Real pity McGuigan isn't available for this, Derry weakened without him, still a good test up in Owenbeg but would have been better off facing their best 15.
I don't know will that Galway team start as selected although, bar Sean Kelly returning and maybe some bolter in the blast couple of games, that is very likely the team that will play Mayo.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 18, 2022, 11:27:31 PM
Real pity McGuigan isn't available for this, Derry weakened without him, still a good test up in Owenbeg but would have been better off facing their best 15.
I don't know will that Galway team start as selected although, bar Sean Kelly returning and maybe some bolter in the blast couple of games, that is very likely the team that will play Mayo.

Sean Kelly in for Glynn and it looks likely that would be the 15 vs Mayo.
100% agree I'd rather McGuigan was playing but as you say it's still a huge test away from home.

Anthony C names the same starting 15 as last week for this must win game v the Biffos.

McFaul in for McGuigan the one change for Derry

Odhran Lynch
Chrissy McKaigue
Brendan Rogers
Conor McCluskey
Padraig McGrogan
Gareth McKinless
Conor Doherty;
Conor Glass
Emmett Bradley
Ethan Doherty
Oisin McWilliams
Ciaran McFaul
Benny Heron
Niall Loughlin
Paul Cassidy

Anyone know of a radio station covering Cork v Down at 1pm

Galway 1-5 to 0-2 ahead after 20 minutes. Shane Walsh named to start but didn't start.

2-05 to 0-03 now.  Maybe a better indication today of where derry are at

Quote from: Blowitupref on March 20, 2022, 01:21:39 PM
Galway 1-5 to 0-2 ahead after 20 minutes. Shane Walsh named to start but didn't start.

Another goal for Galway who have the wind. It's a bit like cricket.

It is like cricket, 3 goals now

Derry 0-4 Galway 3-8 half time

Best attack in the league without their top scorer is too hot to handle for what was the best defence. 

All out for 3-08
A difficult target for the Derry bowlers.

Maybe another year in Div2 won't do any harm 😳😳

Still a lot of work for us to do yet we need to unearth another 1 or 2 scoring forwards!

Derry 0-12 Galway 4-11 result.
Cork 1-16 Down 1-12 result

Half time

Offaly 0-7 Roscommon 1-12  (Rossies down to 14 men)
Clare 0-5 meath 0-5

Quote from: screenexile on March 20, 2022, 02:10:10 PM
Maybe another year in Div2 won't do any harm 😳😳

Still a lot of work for us to do yet we need to unearth another 1 or 2 scoring forwards!

If Galway bate Ros do Derry not go up ?

Superb win up in Derry with some mighty first half scoring. It's great to be back in Division One for 2023, it was vitally important not to have another long term stay in the second tier, the standard of the teams is absolutely shocking compared to the real stuff in Division One, the gap between the top teams and the rest is becoming a chasm, Galway need to stay as close as possible to the standards that are set by the perennial AI contenders.
Can't fault the team today, this was pegged as a tough test and they've absolutely dismantled Derry who didn't sound at it at all today, Galway ruthlessly punished a team not at the required pitch, haven't seen enough of that this Division Two campaign but it was there today. Radio coverage for me today unfortunately but delighted to hear that Galway were pressing the Derry kick outs and getting huge success from it. Shane Walsh being out makes the Derry loss of McGuigan a bit of a wash, whatever injuries Walsh has, wrap him up and get him fit for Mayo, the only game that matters now.
Don't know how accurate this is but saw on Twitter that Derry won the toss and choose to face a gale? Can that really be true? Insanity if so. Nice defensive practice in second half for Galway having play with 13 men against a stiff breeze with the points already in the bag.
People at the game will be in a far better position to comment but that really is a tonic result no matter what way you cut it.

Would be nice to win league final from here and continue the winning habit but honestly I don't think Galway will be too bothered about it either, everything boils down to the Mayo game on April 24th now and having everyone fit and available to take on one of the best teams in the country.

Played against the wind first half. Should be winning to be fair.

Yes

As long as derry win

Derry were very poor today, only McFaul cut it up front as he our only other good forward. 2 out of the 3 goals in the first half given away very poorly from short lockouts. Even in the 2nd half they continued to play poor.

Sean Kelly with eye injury during the game, PJ came straight out and said it was eye gouging by opposition player. No place for that whatsoever on a football pitch, disgusting stuff if that is true.

I wouldnt say Galway cut loose today, Derry were so poor, the early goals killed the game early, even then, Derry still played too many men in their half of the field when they were way behind.

That the no.18, He started the row, that held the game up for 5mins

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 20, 2022, 03:42:16 PM
Sean Kelly with eye injury during the game, PJ came straight out and said it was eye gouging by opposition player. No place for that whatsoever on a football pitch, disgusting stuff if that is true.

Hope that's not true as it's indefensible if it is. Sounds like Derry struggled badly to secure their own kickouts in the first half and that caused them endless problems. It also shows that they're probably not ready for division 1 and it's what a lot of us have been saying. Just as well we got the points in the bag early to maintain our position in division 2.

What did Conroy do to get the red does anyone know? From listening to PJ it's going to appealed.

Meath sneak out a win 10 points to 9. Bench made a difference in getting us over the line and all subs getting on the scoreboard. James Conlon sent over the winner 3 minutes into stoppage time.

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Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 20, 2022, 03:42:16 PM
Sean Kelly with eye injury during the game, PJ came straight out and said it was eye gouging by opposition player. No place for that whatsoever on a football pitch, disgusting stuff if that is true.

Hope that's not true as it's indefensible if it is. Sounds like Derry struggled badly to secure their own kickouts in the first half and that caused them endless problems. It also shows that they're probably not ready for division 1 and it's what a lot of us have been saying. Just as well we got the points in the bag early to maintain our position in division 2.

Agreed. The choice to play against the wind with Galway l's fire power was lunacy. Game was over and we were a beaten docket by h/t. Galway very impressive, very powerful and have a smattering of real real top class footballers.
Good squad made the journey up, got chatting to a few, good folk.

Very disappointing, but we're still going in the right direction.

The Cork vs Offaly trapdoor classic next up

Quote from: thejuice on March 20, 2022, 04:05:00 PM
Meath sneak out a win 10 points to 9. Bench made a difference in getting us over the line and all subs getting on the scoreboard. James Conlon sent over the winner 3 minutes into stoppage time.

Meath finishing well after a dreadful start

That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

A proper ref would have sent 2/3 derry players off along with manager for the antics last week.

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

We need another year in Div 2 tbh. Everyone I spoke today thinks the same. Improving so can't have too many complaints

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Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

A proper ref would have sent 2/3 derry players off along with manager for the antics last week.

Dry your eyes

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

SThe option of stayiing in D2 may be out of Derry's hands.

Derry haven't the forwards, outside of 2, with hopeful more to come from the few younger ones in the nxt few years. What beat me the day was the poor kickouts and been caught in possession which lead to 3 of the goals. As for the ruckus, it was started over nothing between Kelly and Glass, and started out as time wasting then got more serious. Derry seemed to have a issue with the Ref more than the Galway players.

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That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

We need another year in Div 2 tbh. Everyone I spoke today thinks the same. Improving so can't have too many complaints

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Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

A proper ref would have sent 2/3 derry players off along with manager for the antics last week.

Dry your eyes

Northern teams cannot complain about sledging and other insults from teams down south when its a huge part of their game and team tactics

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2022, 05:05:41 PM
Derry haven't the forwards, outside of 2, with hopeful more to come from the few younger ones in the nxt few years. What beat me the day was the poor kickouts and been caught in possession which lead to 3 of the goals. As for the ruckus, it was started over nothing between Kelly and Glass, and started out as time wasting then got more serious. Derry seemed to have a issue with the Ref more than the Galway players.

Outside of the foul on Brendan that wasn't given resulting in the first Galway goal, and maybe incorrectly blowing a couple of handpasses for both, he was fine imo. The game is incredibly cynical these days, if the ref was to blow, tick, card everytime, there'd be no football played. A real scurge

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Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

We need another year in Div 2 tbh. Everyone I spoke today thinks the same. Improving so can't have too many complaints

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 20, 2022, 04:52:12 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

A proper ref would have sent 2/3 derry players off along with manager for the antics last week.

Dry your eyes

Northern teams cannot complain about sledging and other insults from teams down south when its a huge part of their game and team tactics

Northern teams complain about what kind of of sledging? Any particular examples?

That was hurling where you don't find the same kind of sledging that you do in football.

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Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

We need another year in Div 2 tbh. Everyone I spoke today thinks the same. Improving so can't have too many complaints

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 20, 2022, 04:52:12 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

A proper ref would have sent 2/3 derry players off along with manager for the antics last week.

Dry your eyes

Northern teams cannot complain about sledging and other insults from teams down south when its a huge part of their game and team tactics

Northern teams complain about what kind of of sledging? Any particular examples?

Down and Antrim Hurlers have been crying about unproven remarks made against them lately labeling them brits

(https://i.ibb.co/WgYGr32/Screenshot-20220320-173638-2.png) (https://ibb.co/vZKVNBj)
Remaining games

Meath v Derry in Navan
Offaly v Cork in Tullamore
Roscommon v Galway in Hyde Park
Down v Clare in Newry

Can't believe we won the toss and decided to play against a gale force breeze,

Congratulations to Galway on their promotion back to div 1 with a game to spare.

Will be harder for the Galway supporters to play the poor mouth now.  Quick return to Div 1 when in truth they should never have allowed themselves to get relegated last year. The win today reminded me of Galway 4-17 Donegal 0-14 in the All-Ireland Qualifiers a few years ago and Donegal was managed by Rory Gallagher then so he hasn't learnt much from that beating.

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Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

We need another year in Div 2 tbh. Everyone I spoke today thinks the same. Improving so can't have too many complaints

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 20, 2022, 04:52:12 PM

Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
That's some tanking Galway gave Derry I wouldn't have seen that coming based on Derrys recent trajectory and the bad refereeing decision last week could come back to haunt them now as they could be stuck in division 2.

A proper ref would have sent 2/3 derry players off along with manager for the antics last week.

Dry your eyes

Northern teams cannot complain about sledging and other insults from teams down south when its a huge part of their game and team tactics

Northern teams complain about what kind of of sledging? Any particular examples?

Down and Antrim Hurlers have been crying about unproven remarks made against them lately labeling them brits

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/iiQSTrHtDIgnw9YtlA/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b9520d41e72cad9de02d9b5aa10ddc9aa95c7f909450&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)

A good win over the Biffs (and Maughtan), with only 14 men for 3 quarters of the game.
Started well and get a good lead early.
Tough luck on young Doyle on his debut, 2 harsh but technically correct yellows.
Mind you Ref couldn't find any card when McNamee jumped on Heneghan's back and flattened him.
Managed the game well but defensive frailties remain as a well beaten side had 24 scoring attempts....
As usual it seemed like a home game for Ros as not many Offaly folk about.
All down to next Sunday where a win guarantees promotion.
A loss or draw could suffice depending on Derry's result v Meath but better to make sure ourselves.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 20, 2022, 07:54:01 PM
A good win over the Biffs (and Maughtan), with only 14 men for 3 quarters of the game.
Started well and get a good lead early.
Tough luck on young Doyle on his debut, 2 harsh but technically correct yellows.
Mind you Ref couldn't find any card when McNamee jumped on Heneghan's back and flattened him.
Managed the game well but defensive frailties remain as a well beaten side had 24 scoring attempts....
As usual it seemed like a home game for Ros as not many Offaly folk about.
All down to next Sunday where a win guarantees promotion.
A loss or draw could suffice depending on Derry's result v Meath but better to make sure ourselves.

McNamee some operator offaly best forward still. But could have got a red for that challenge he jumped on cathals back,stamped down on his ankles and swong around a closed fist. Mind boggling how he wasn't carded

Meath safe with nothing to gain except pride and momentum for the championship next week. Derry playing for promotion. It's a home game for us and if the weather is decent it'll draw a good crowd.

Been ages since Derry have been to Navan for a competitive match. Maybe going back to the days when Tohill and Brolly were playing. I remember us drawing with them on a soaking wet day in February in the early 90's. I know we've played since but not in Navan I think.

Quote from: thejuice on March 20, 2022, 09:05:06 PM
Meath safe with nothing to gain except pride and momentum for the championship next week. Derry playing for promotion. It's a home game for us and if the weather is decent it'll draw a good crowd.

Been ages since Derry have been to Navan for a competitive match. Maybe going back to the days when Tohill and Brolly were playing. I remember us drawing with them on a soaking wet day in February in the early 90's. I know we've played since but not in Navan I think.

We were down on a wet day about 6 years ago Juice. James Keilt was our stand out on the day if I mind right

Must be an age thing, I can remember the older games better than the more recent ones. Though to be fair the Mick O'Dowd and McEntee years have for the most part been forgettable for us.

Still looking forward to a good battle next week.

Quote from: thejuice on March 20, 2022, 09:20:13 PM
Must be an age thing, I can remember the older games better than the more recent ones. Though to be fair the Mick O'Dowd and McEntee years have for the most part been forgettable for us.

Still looking forward to a good battle next week.

The stout in the club house bar was memorable

Last there 2014 I think

Just watched the Derry Galway highlights and there was a melee with only 1 player sent off. What happened to contributing to a melee resulting in a red card? Or does that only apply to Tyrone?

That was pretty tame compared to Tyrone Armagh. Don't think you could see a headlock in it which there were quite a few of in Tyrone Armagh and seemed to be the problem...

Is the Derry straight red as a result of contact with the eye?

Made the trip to Owenbeg today and delighted I did.
The first half performance was the best I've seen from a Galway team in a long long time.
Second half was more about containment but the game was won in that first half.
I've been critical of Galway so far this year but credit where it is due the lads were superb today.
To do it without Shane was pleasing as well as we have been very reliant on him.
I didn't see what happened for Paul Conroy's red as I was following the ball (he had just won a feee and taken it quickly).
A Derry lad was on the deck so it was for a strike or an elbow most likely. It was the linesman's call - pretty sure the ref didn't see it.
On the Sean Kelly incident - again I didn't see anything from where I was standing.
Damo Comer was whipped very early in the second half and was limping heavily as he came off - hope it isn't anything serious.

Quote from: kopite on March 20, 2022, 10:07:02 PM
Is the Derry straight red as a result of contact with the eye?

Yes and Padraic Joyce was fairly irate about it afterwards. Disgusting carry on. Comer was taken off as a precaution with a tight hamstring, if that's the case the sensible thing to do would be to rest him next week you'd think.

Aye, doesn't look good on review on TV. alright

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Quote from: kopite on March 20, 2022, 10:07:02 PM
Is the Derry straight red as a result of contact with the eye?

Yes and Padraic Joyce was fairly irate about it afterwards. Disgusting carry on. Comer was taken off as a precaution with a tight hamstring, if that's the case the sensible thing to do would be to rest him next week you'd think.

Whatever about late hits or shoving matches, an eye gouge is the move of a pure tr**p, there's no heat of the moment excuse with it, have to make a fairly conscious decision to go for someone's eye, disgraceful stuff really. Bad cess to him for the rest of the year.

Brutal if Comer has had another setback, hopefully it's just tightness and not another pull or tear on the hammer, need him fit and playing well for April. Absolutely no need to play Walsh, Comer or anyone with a knock next week anyway.

Galway achieved this year's goals for the league. Hopefully they can stay up.

Quote from: seafoid on March 21, 2022, 10:52:37 AM
Galway achieved this year's goals for the league. Hopefully they can stay up.

While yesterday was disappointing for Derry it's been a good year too. They've stayed in division 2 and hopefully can build on that next season. This Derry team is quite young and naive in lots of ways. The rules of the game at the moment reward cynicism with teams like Dublin copying the Tyrone model and now Kerry getting in on the act even employing a Tyrone man to coach them in the dark arts. Unfortunately Derry need to develop those cynical skills to manage parts of the game and not allow teams to get a run on them like Galway did yesterday. Btw I'm not saying Galway were in any way cynical as I wasn't able to get to the game and so I can't comment. And before anybody replies about the eye gouging that's just stupid and dangerous play. The cynicism I'm talking about is deliberate, tactical fouling far away from the danger area to stop teams building momentum and feigning injury to slow things down and get opponents carded. Unfortunately that cynicism is allowed to go on and the top teams benefit.

Unfathomable that any GAA player would reach for another players eye. There needs to be a special length of ban for this.

Mickey Hartes Louth v Tyrone would be a interesting game in Division 2 next year.

There would be nothing interesting about a 20 point hammering imo.

Quote from: skeog on March 21, 2022, 01:31:04 PM
There would be nothing interesting about a 20 point hammering imo.

Exactly the standard in div 3 is below previous years IMO.

Pleasantly surprised by Galway's win, great to be promoted with a game to spare and able to give plenty of the subs a game this Sunday; Galway's bench is very young and inexperienced, apart from the keeper probably not a championship start between them.

Think we pretty much know 13 out of the 15 players that will start against Mayo, Conneely suck his hand up on Sunday and probably has a chance of getting in ahead of Finnerty and reckon the final place will be between Gallagher & Glynn likely dependent on where Sean Kelly plays.

The lack of options at midfield is a worry, would hope Niall Daly gives a good performance on Sunday. A shame James McLaughlin hasn't been fit so far.

By the way, if you're coming down from Derry, make sure you bring a ball for a half time kick around on the pitch at Pairc Tailteann. Kids only by the way

https://twitter.com/meathgaa/status/1506603382538129412?s=21

Galway have opted to pick a fairly strong team with good options off the bench for this Sunday

Conor Flaherty
Sean Fitzgerald
Kieran Molloy
Jack Glynn
Tony Gill
Sean Kelly
Cathal Sweeney
Matthew Tierney
Niall Daly
Finnian O'Laoi
Paul Kelly
Johnny Heaney
Dylan Canney
Eoin Finnerty
Dessie Connelly

Subs
Conor Gleeson
Johnny McGrath
Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh
Conor Campbell
James Mcloughlin
Liam Costello
Shane Walsh
Owen Gallagher
Tomo Culhane
Cormac McWalter

Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 09:50:16 PM
Galway have opted to pick a fairly strong team with good options off the bench for this Sunday

Conor Flaherty
Sean Fitzgerald
Kieran Molloy
Jack Glynn
Tony Gill
Sean Kelly
Cathal Sweeney
Matthew Tierney
Niall Daly
Finnian O'Laoi
Paul Kelly
Johnny Heaney
Dylan Canney
Eoin Finnerty
Dessie Connelly

Subs
Conor Gleeson
Johnny McGrath
Liam Silke
Dylan McHugh
Conor Campbell
James Mcloughlin
Liam Costello
Shane Walsh
Owen Gallagher
Tomo Culhane
Cormac McWalter
8 changes from last Sunday ,a couple enforced.Derry mightn't be happy but Galway have earned the right to do as they please with a big match v mayo just four weeks away..a good day promised in the Hyde so should be a good game and hopefully finish the day with a repeat date in Croke Park next week to look forward to.

Quote from: kopite on March 26, 2022, 10:44:06 AM
8 changes from last Sunday ,a couple enforced.Derry mightn't be happy but Galway have earned the right to do as they please with a big match v mayo just four weeks away..a good day promised in the Hyde so should be a good game and hopefully finish the day with a repeat date in Croke Park next week to look forward to.

7 I count with two of last weeks starters named on the bench, the enforced changes would be Conroy,Comer.  Whatever line up Galway went with was likely going to be strong with their strength in depth and of course Shane Walsh back after missing last weeks game.

Roscommon will have to perform well to get that win for promotion as the competitor that Joyce is will not want to lose their running win before the championship.

True,nothing soft from Joyce.. ..what's the story with Walsh ?..is it injury or just out of form at the moment?

Plenty soft for the Rossies today and they'll be going up, Galway getting a good pasting.

Meath 1-07
Derry 0-08

Second half just back on. Derry missed penalty, Meath missing quite a few chances.

Meath 2-08
Derry 0-10

Shane Walsh converts the penalty

Derry 1-14
Meath 2-10

Derry are in front. 3 minutes left of normal time

Full Time

Meath 2-11
Derry 1-16

Couldn't get it back in our favour. Battled well but didn't have enough in midfield and defense ultimately.

Well done Derry

Quote from: kopite on March 26, 2022, 11:07:08 AM
True,nothing soft from Joyce.. ..what's the story with Walsh ?..is it injury or just out of form at the moment?

Injured as far as I know. He was playing well earlier in the league - his last two performances were poor against Offaly & Clare.
No idea if injury was a factor in those games or not tbh.

With the addition of the Dubs and the Flourbags getting out of D2 next year will be a hoor.

Poor Derry. Stitched up by the Connachtaigh.

End of the Day we couldn't beat either Roscommon or Galway so not much complaints.

Regardless of the team that lined out, poor enough stuff from Galway but I suppose once the job had been done last week, in fairness all judgement on 2022 must be reserved until after Mayo match.
Can Galway be competitive and put in a performance against one of the top 3 teams in the country? That's the major question left, no one will remember the Division Two final result at the end of the summer, both teams have won it recently enough as well.

Well done to Anthony and the lads on once more bouncing back at the first attempt.
An excellent 2nd quarter and Galway with a man in sin bin meant this game was over at half time.
We struggled to get the fluency going understandably with the scoreboard and a hot day.
Substitutions disrupted any rhythm we had left in a challenge like 2nd half.
A flattering 5 point defeat for Galway who'll hardly lose any sleep over this game.
A day out for both of us in a needless game in Croker next Sunday where we'll be surrounded by loads of the dreaded rhubarbs.
Ah well....

Quote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2022, 09:05:03 PM
To be promoted

Galway 8/11
Derry 6/4
Meath 6/4
Cork 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Down 13/2
Offaly 10/1
Clare 12/1

Bookies/punters was spot on with Galway promoted and Offaly relegated but a good bit off on Clare and Roscommon.

How likely are Ros to stay up ?

Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2022, 05:32:04 PM
Well done to Anthony and the lads on once more bouncing back at the first attempt.
An excellent 2nd quarter and Galway with a man in sin bin meant this game was over at half time.
We struggled to get the fluency going understandably with the scoreboard and a hot day.
Substitutions disrupted any rhythm we had left in a challenge like 2nd half.
A flattering 5 point defeat for Galway who'll hardly lose any sleep over this game.
A day out for both of us in a needless game in Croker next Sunday where we'll be surrounded by loads of the dreaded rhubarbs.
Ah well....

Will you have the Kerry jersey on underneath the Roscommon one?  ;D Connacht abú.

Well done to Roscommon on joining Galway in Div 1. 11 points ahead at half time was impressed stuff and game won but I suppose a few Galway lads given a chance today played themselves out of championship start.

Hard luck to Derry whom I believe got the highest points total for a 3rd place team since this league format came into place in 2007 and to Offaly who gave a good account of themselves during this campaign but just came up short.

Mighty stuff from the Rossies, unbeaten in 7 games & only unbeaten team in the country. Great to see Harney going injury free & Nolan going well. We now have 4 midfield options  when for years we had only 1.
Smith left to do his best work on the 40 & the older brother doing well to, Cox back to his best. The second quarter we looked really good. Next year a shootout in Division 1 between Ulster & Connacht.

I think there's one other team involved too? ;D
Only unbeaten team in the League has a nice ring to it.
A good League campaign with 12 or 13 players making League debuts yet getting promoted.
Farr.... I wouldn't ever wear any other County Jersey....even a ream playing ye bucks.
A few of ye're lot were still around Carrick c 7pm.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 27, 2022, 09:08:44 PM
I think there's one other team involved too? ;D
Only unbeaten team in the League has a nice ring to it.
A good League campaign with 12 or 13 players making League debuts yet getting promoted.
Farr.... I wouldn't ever wear any other County Jersey....even a ream playing ye bucks.
A few of ye're lot were still around Carrick c 7pm.

Not a bad spot to be stuck of a sunny evening!

They were wrong side of bridge though ;)

Quote from: thejuice on March 27, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
Full Time

Meath 2-11
Derry 1-16

Couldn't get it back in our favour. Battled well but didn't have enough in midfield and defense ultimately.

Well done Derry

Watching Sunday game there, seen something at the end but didn't properly see what happened. The ball was played back to the Meath goalkeeper and because he touched it a free in was given. They were saying he should've let it go for a 45 which makes sense. But what was the circumstances in which the keeper touching the ball equated to a free in?

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Quote from: thejuice on March 27, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
Full Time

Meath 2-11
Derry 1-16

Couldn't get it back in our favour. Battled well but didn't have enough in midfield and defense ultimately.

Well done Derry

Watching Sunday game there, seen something at the end but didn't properly see what happened. The ball was played back to the Meath goalkeeper and because he touched it a free in was given. They were saying he should've let it go for a 45 which makes sense. But what was the circumstances in which the keeper touching the ball equated to a free in?

Under rule, the player receiving a kick out , cannot play it directly back to the GK

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Quote from: thejuice on March 27, 2022, 03:41:52 PM
Full Time

Meath 2-11
Derry 1-16

Couldn't get it back in our favour. Battled well but didn't have enough in midfield and defense ultimately.

Well done Derry

Watching Sunday game there, seen something at the end but didn't properly see what happened. The ball was played back to the Meath goalkeeper and because he touched it a free in was given. They were saying he should've let it go for a 45 which makes sense. But what was the circumstances in which the keeper touching the ball equated to a free in?

Under rule, the player receiving a kick out , cannot play it directly back to the GK

If he had let it cross the line it would have been a 45 for Derry. Meath were one point behind and the game was just about over. It's an understatement to say the goalie was stuck between a rock and a hard place with 2 slow seconds to decide which choice offered less despair. No matter what the goalie did, Meath were going to lose, the only hope was the longshot that he would get away with it. But with everybody and the ref watching what the goalie was going to do, his situation was hopeless.
The SG pundits saying he should have let it go for a 45  was heartless.

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Full Time

Meath 2-11
Derry 1-16

Couldn't get it back in our favour. Battled well but didn't have enough in midfield and defense ultimately.

Well done Derry

Watching Sunday game there, seen something at the end but didn't properly see what happened. The ball was played back to the Meath goalkeeper and because he touched it a free in was given. They were saying he should've let it go for a 45 which makes sense. But what was the circumstances in which the keeper touching the ball equated to a free in?

Under rule, the player receiving a kick out , cannot play it directly back to the GK

If he had let it cross the line it would have been a 45 for Derry. Meath were one point behind and the game was just about over. It's an understatement to say the goalie was stuck between a rock and a hard place with 2 slow seconds to decide which choice offered less despair. No matter what the goalie did, Meath were going to lose, the only hope was the longshot that he would get away with it. But with everybody and the ref watching what the goalie was going to do, his situation was hopeless.
The SG pundits saying he should have let it go for a 45  was heartless.

Are ye all drunk lads?
It was the cork Offaly match 🤷‍♂️😀

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Full Time

Meath 2-11
Derry 1-16

Couldn't get it back in our favour. Battled well but didn't have enough in midfield and defense ultimately.

Well done Derry

Watching Sunday game there, seen something at the end but didn't properly see what happened. The ball was played back to the Meath goalkeeper and because he touched it a free in was given. They were saying he should've let it go for a 45 which makes sense. But what was the circumstances in which the keeper touching the ball equated to a free in?

Under rule, the player receiving a kick out , cannot play it directly back to the GK

If he had let it cross the line it would have been a 45 for Derry. Meath were one point behind and the game was just about over. It's an understatement to say the goalie was stuck between a rock and a hard place with 2 slow seconds to decide which choice offered less despair. No matter what the goalie did, Meath were going to lose, the only hope was the longshot that he would get away with it. But with everybody and the ref watching what the goalie was going to do, his situation was hopeless.
The SG pundits saying he should have let it go for a 45  was heartless.

Are ye all drunk lads?
It was the cork Offaly match 🤷‍♂️😀

;D
Well, the dilemma was the same, except it happened to the Offaly goalie not the Meath goalie and the SG pundits didn't appreciate the level of desperation.

Definitely a good time to get out of Division 2 going by the lady few posts.....

To be honest I didn't even know that rule existed, keep added and changing rules every year, it gets hard to keep track.

Roscommon 2015-22


2015 D2 promoted
2016 D1 stayed
2017 D1 relegated with Cavan
2018 D2 promoted with Cavan
2019 D1 relegated with Cavan
2020 D2 promoted
2021 D1 relegated
2022 D2 promoted

Ní huasal ná íseal ach thuas seal agus thíos seal.

And promoted from Div 3 in 2014





Roscommon 2015-22


2015 D2 promoted
2016 D1 stayed
2017 D1 relegated with Cavan
2018 D2 promoted with Cavan
2019 D1 relegated with Cavan
2020 D2 promoted
2021 D1 relegated
2022 D2 promoted

Ní huasal ná íseal ach thuas seal agus thíos seal.
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Whilst it's disappointing from a Derry perspective to not be in Division 1, I think Roscommon and Galway are better equipped to cope with life there than we are.
We are still a little bit off that level, imo, but we have still made good progress.
Div2 is going to be a good division next year for the likes of us to continue development too. Playing Dublin and Kildare....even playing a Mickey Harte managed Louth. Nothing will be easy so that's all good.
We're still in the AI series and I think we can give Ulster a good rattle this year, even if we do have Tyrone (no disrespect to Fermanagh) to overcome. I think we could surprise them.

Derry need to develop their game to not rely so much on McGuigan for scores on a regular basis. We do have regular contributors to the scoreboard, but generally only 1 point a game. If we could get a couple of 3/4 points a game forwards to complement McGuigan we are a different prospect.
Our kickout strategy has been a little bit immature in recent games too so we need some work there.
But in general, we have a good shape, plenty of energy and don't easily loss possession. I think Gallagher is a good tactician also.

So whilst disappointing, we're in a much better place than we were in 3/4 years ago.

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To be promoted

Galway 8/11
Derry 6/4
Meath 6/4
Cork 7/4
Roscommon 3/1
Down 13/2
Offaly 10/1
Clare 12/1

Bookies/punters was spot on with Galway promoted and Offaly relegated but a good bit off on Clare and Roscommon.

Roscommon were some value, would have had them almost certain to go back up as they tend to yoyo.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2022, 12:55:57 AM
To be honest I didn't even know that rule existed, keep added and changing rules every year, it gets hard to keep track.

Same here, the amount of chopping and changing of the playing rules it's hard to keep track. Why was such of a rule needed?

On a separate note Dublin will be back using Parnell Park in the league next year?

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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2022, 12:55:57 AM
To be honest I didn't even know that rule existed, keep added and changing rules every year, it gets hard to keep track.

Same here, the amount of chopping and changing of the playing rules it's hard to keep track. Why was such of a rule needed?

On a separate note Dublin will be back using Parnell Park in the league next year?

To stop teams taking short kick outs and piss  keepers off ... this rule basically cost Offaly their place in Div 2. Although what the GK and no. 6 were doing ...was the essence of stupidity

Players not knowing the rules of the sport they play...... :-\

Seems there was an incident earlier in the game when the same thing happened.
Ref gave a hop ball.

So the keeper thought that if he touched the ball it would be a hop ball rather than a 13m free kick.

Doesnt make it any better.

If anyone is to blame it would be the player that kicked it back to the keeper

Quote from: Rossfan on March 28, 2022, 12:43:51 PM
Players not knowing the rules of the sport they play...... :-\

Too busy filing expenses

Offaly goalkeeper Paddy Dunican labels key backpass decision an 'absolute disgrace'
'When you make up a rule for no good reason - it's nothing other than embarrassing'

Posting on Twitter, Dunican wrote: "So.. 'a huge mistake on my behalf' .. the ball was kicked back to me..my choices were A) let it out for 45 and cork free shot at goal. B) throw ball which is a 50/50.

"So I chose the '50/50 ball instead of a 45 (free shot at goal) obviously. But referee then gave a free in from the 14 for the same rule they called earlier in the game as a throw ball.

"This is apparently my fault to those who clearly did not watch the game.. the real crime is 1) umpires) related to officials who... offer no input to the modern game (no official training).

"B) the lineswoman (Maggie Farrelly) called that in the first half out of nowhere to make some sort of name for herself. The referee admitted to making a mistake in the first half and said it should have been there (sic) free.

"The moral of the story - an absolute disgrace. There was never going to be anything between the two teams. When you make up a rule for no good reason - it's nothing other than embarrassing.

"And btw, we didn't just lose the league today - but, when so much goes in to the basic rules of the game, you'd expect some sort of adequacy. So much goes into our game all to be taken away from a few lads who have no idea of the rules."

In fairness if it was given as a hop ball early in the game then a free in at the last then wtf?

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2022, 01:10:46 PM
In fairness if it was given as a hop ball early in the game then a free in at the last then wtf?

That's ridiculous if true.

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 28, 2022, 01:10:46 PM
In fairness if it was given as a hop ball early in the game then a free in at the last then wtf?

Is he saying that the referee threw it up in the first half when the same thing happened and blaming that for why he played it ?

And then after the game the referee said the call in the first half was a mistake on his behalf and it should have been a free in?

Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

imagine county players not knowing the rules.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 28, 2022, 02:05:27 PM
imagine county players not knowing the rules.

Refs not knowing them is a greater concern

Quote from: oliverkelly on March 28, 2022, 02:03:11 PM
Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

Someone said then maybe the receiving player wasn't 13m away so that was why the hop ball?

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Quote from: oliverkelly on March 28, 2022, 02:03:11 PM
Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

Someone said then maybe the receiving player wasn't 13m away so that was why the hop ball?

Maybe but from what Dunican has said he believes both incidents were for the same infringement but if receiving player was inside D or less than 13m away it would make sense why ball was hopped.

Down and Offaly get to play in the Tailteann Cup.

Quote from: oliverkelly on March 28, 2022, 02:03:11 PM
Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

Yes, it looks like the officials incorrectly thought Dunican received the straight back pass and brought the play back, while Offaly were launching a promising attack. However a hop ball was awarded which is not the correct sanction and may have lead to confusion later on.

https://twitter.com/JohnnoKinahan14/status/1508128978695073793

There is also an irony because the main driver for the rule introduction was as an antidote to Dublin boreball where they gave the ball back Cluxton to kill the game with long passages of recycling possession. In the case of Dunican he regularly bombs forward on the attack when he gets the ball.

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Quote from: oliverkelly on March 28, 2022, 02:03:11 PM
Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

Yes, it looks like the officials incorrectly thought Dunican received the straight back pass and brought the play back, while Offaly were launching a promising attack. However a hop ball was awarded which is not the correct sanction and may have lead to confusion later on.

https://twitter.com/JohnnoKinahan14/status/1508128978695073793

There is also an irony because the main driver for the rule introduction was as an antidote to Dublin boreball where they gave the ball back Cluxton to kill the game with long passages of recycling possession. In the case of Dunican he regularly bombs forward on the attack when he gets the ball.

It looks more like the ball was adjudged by the lineswoman not to have traveled the required 13m distance, therefore the hop ball.
I think if the ref was okay with the kick out then it's not the job of the lines assistant to be splitting hairs over the actual distance.

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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 28, 2022, 02:54:30 PM

Quote from: oliverkelly on March 28, 2022, 02:03:11 PM
Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

Yes, it looks like the officials incorrectly thought Dunican received the straight back pass and brought the play back, while Offaly were launching a promising attack. However a hop ball was awarded which is not the correct sanction and may have lead to confusion later on.

https://twitter.com/JohnnoKinahan14/status/1508128978695073793

There is also an irony because the main driver for the rule introduction was as an antidote to Dublin boreball where they gave the ball back Cluxton to kill the game with long passages of recycling possession. In the case of Dunican he regularly bombs forward on the attack when he gets the ball.

It looks more like the ball was adjudged by the lineswoman not to have traveled the required 13m distance, therefore the hop ball.
I think if the ref was okay with the kick out then it's not the job of the lines assistant to be splitting hairs over the actual distance.

She was a good distance away to be able to tell also surely if there was a call to be made it was the linesman on that sides to make. It looked to have gone far enough from the clip above.

Divison 2 - 29 pages
Division 1 - 110 pages

I must say as  a Derry fan the past couple of weeks have left a sour taste. While I agree with the comments from supporters that another year in D2 may not be a bad thing it ignores the fact that they were the victims of one of the most cynical actions carried out by any team in the league. There was a very good chance that McGuigan would have scored the free and the final league positions would have been reversed. To make matters worse the officials felt he should be sent off!! We feared Galway would field a shadow team yesterday and so it turned out with the game resembling a challenge match.

Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
Down and Offaly get to play in the Tailteann Cup.

Unless Down get their 'swagger' back.

Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
Down and Offaly get to play in the Tailteann Cup.

I'd say the crowd will not come close to the Sam Final in 1961.

Quote from: clawaddy on March 28, 2022, 06:54:51 PM
I must say as  a Derry fan the past couple of weeks have left a sour taste. While I agree with the comments from supporters that another year in D2 may not be a bad thing it ignores the fact that they were the victims of one of the most cynical actions carried out by any team in the league. There was a very good chance that McGuigan would have scored the free and the final league positions would have been reversed. To make matters worse the officials felt he should be sent off!! We feared Galway would field a shadow team yesterday and so it turned out with the game resembling a challenge match.

I agree. Derry had great momentum until the 6th round.

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Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
Down and Offaly get to play in the Tailteann Cup.

Unless Down get their 'swagger' back.

If they do they can go all the way. But it has been a while...

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Quote from: seafoid on March 28, 2022, 02:32:25 PM
Down and Offaly get to play in the Tailteann Cup.

Unless Down get their 'swagger' back.

Down would appear to have got worse this season if that were possible after last years display against Donegal. They delayed the appointment of a manager for no obvious good reason and can't have prepared very well for the League. Then rumours surfaced in recent weeks of player bust ups after matches and players turning up to training worse for wear.

They mightn't be great at the minute but nor should they be Tailteann cup level. If they get their act together you could easily see Down and Offaly in a Tailteann cup final and the winner of that competition could use it as a springboard for next season.

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Quote from: Bord na Mona man on March 28, 2022, 02:54:30 PM

Quote from: oliverkelly on March 28, 2022, 02:03:11 PM
Spoke to an Offaly supporter and he confirmed what Dunican has said. That during the first half Offaly took a short kickout receiving defender passed to another defender who passed back to the keeper(All within the rules) but Maggie called for the ref to punish them saying ball went straight back from the short kickout and ref threw up the ball. Then close to the end when the keeper did receive the ball straight back he played the ball thinking the ref would throw the ball up again but this time he gave a free.

Yes, it looks like the officials incorrectly thought Dunican received the straight back pass and brought the play back, while Offaly were launching a promising attack. However a hop ball was awarded which is not the correct sanction and may have lead to confusion later on.

https://twitter.com/JohnnoKinahan14/status/1508128978695073793

There is also an irony because the main driver for the rule introduction was as an antidote to Dublin boreball where they gave the ball back Cluxton to kill the game with long passages of recycling possession. In the case of Dunican he regularly bombs forward on the attack when he gets the ball.

It looks more like the ball was adjudged by the lineswoman not to have traveled the required 13m distance, therefore the hop ball.
I think if the ref was okay with the kick out then it's not the job of the lines assistant to be splitting hairs over the actual distance.

She was a good distance away to be able to tell also surely if there was a call to be made it was the linesman on that sides to make. It looked to have gone far enough from the clip above.

Fine lines when you are trying to take that step up, potential square ball for the last min goal Meath got to draw the game. Couple of questionable frees against Offaly yesterday (O'Sullivan being taken out of it, the kick out in the first half etc). Consolidating a place in Div 2 was important for Offaly and they benefited from the games but needed another year there for progress.

Also, No teams are in the Tailteann cup yet...

Quote from: clawaddy on March 28, 2022, 06:54:51 PM
I must say as  a Derry fan the past couple of weeks have left a sour taste. While I agree with the comments from supporters that another year in D2 may not be a bad thing it ignores the fact that they were the victims of one of the most cynical actions carried out by any team in the league. There was a very good chance that McGuigan would have scored the free and the final league positions would have been reversed. To make matters worse the officials felt he should be sent off!! We feared Galway would field a shadow team yesterday and so it turned out with the game resembling a challenge match.

There was more than just that one incident in that match. What helped Derry get into that position to win was dubious calls against Roscommon. After that match Derry still had promotion in their own hands with a home game against Galway and produced their worst performance under Rory Gallagher. 

Quote from: clawaddy on March 28, 2022, 06:54:51 PM
I must say as  a Derry fan the past couple of weeks have left a sour taste. While I agree with the comments from supporters that another year in D2 may not be a bad thing it ignores the fact that they were the victims of one of the most cynical actions carried out by any team in the league. There was a very good chance that McGuigan would have scored the free and the final league positions would have been reversed. To make matters worse the officials felt he should be sent off!! We feared Galway would field a shadow team yesterday and so it turned out with the game resembling a challenge match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyHr-4SeILI

Was "clawaddy" at the match?
Is he proud of his manager's antics?
Is he proud of the assaults on young Heneghan?
Is he proud of the asinine behaviour of his number 2 who was like a lad on drugs?

Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2022, 09:48:10 AM
Was "clawaddy" at the match?
Is he proud of his manager's antics?
Is he proud of the assaults on young Heneghan?
Is he proud of the asinine behaviour of his number 2 who was like a lad on drugs?

Derry had about 50 fans in the Hyde so i doubt the poster was at the game. Has a chip on his shoulder from watching highlights which didn't tell the true story of the ref robbing Roscommon. McGuigan missed frees from the edge of the D on multiple occasions during the game so the narrative he would have scored the last free is laughable. And claiming he would have made a difference when Galway slaughtered them is hilarious altogether. Agree on mcKeigue lost all respect for him with his antics behaved like a tr**p that day. No harm they were put back in their box

If Derry get promoted next year presumably they will be out of sync with Roscommon

I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

Congratulations to Roscommon on their promotion. No sour grapes here. I don't think Derry are a div 1 side and I don't think they will be one this time next year.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the last two sets of fixtures had been reversed, or if the Galway / Roscommon game had been winner takes all like Monaghan / Dublin.
But they weren't and it wasn't. Sin é.

The two promoted teams fully deserved to go up and best of luck to both next season.

Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 29, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
Congratulations to Roscommon on their promotion. No sour grapes here. I don't think Derry are a div 1 side and I don't think they will be one this time next year.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the last two sets of fixtures had been reversed, or if the Galway / Roscommon game had been winner takes all like Monaghan / Dublin.
But they weren't and it wasn't. Sin é.

The two promoted teams fully deserved to go up and best of luck to both next season.

Fair play and as I said before there was no acrimony among the players on the field after the final whistle.
In the 3 team mini league we got 3 pts, Galway 2 and Derry 1.
The gap between the top 3 and the rest was surprising in this normally tight Division. (If the Hurley crowd ran the NFL they'd make it a 12 team 1st Division!)
Derry's 11 points would have seen them promoted most years.

Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

Who are you including as the 'other' 8? I assume the top 6 in Div 1, plus Dublin & Galway?

Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2022, 11:24:19 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 29, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
Congratulations to Roscommon on their promotion. No sour grapes here. I don't think Derry are a div 1 side and I don't think they will be one this time next year.

It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the last two sets of fixtures had been reversed, or if the Galway / Roscommon game had been winner takes all like Monaghan / Dublin.
But they weren't and it wasn't. Sin é.

The two promoted teams fully deserved to go up and best of luck to both next season.

Fair play and as I said before there was no acrimony among the players on the field after the final whistle.
In the 3 team mini league we got 3 pts, Galway 2 and Derry 1.
The gap between the top 3 and the rest was surprising in this normally tight Division. (If the Hurley crowd ran the NFL they'd make it a 12 team 1st Division!)
Derry's 11 points would have seen them promoted most years.

Every season before this one in every division apparently.

The hurling thing is a good point. I'd actually think about two leagues of 11 and one of 10, with three up and three down. Mirrors senior / intermediate and junior club set ups and means five home and away matches for everyone in the top divisions.

Agree with the above. We didn't get the results to be promoted and so be it. In all honesty I think most fans would agree that whilst we've made serious progress over the last few years since relegation to Division 4, we're still probably just outside the top 10 teams in the country. This means that we may well miss out on promotion next year again with Dublin and Kildare coming down.
I'd still be hopeful we have the ability to take a scalp in the championship. An Ulster would be a tough ask as there are 4 other very strong teams you'd have to rank ahead of us. That being said it's good to have the majority of the best players in the county committed and some good underage teams recently to filter through over the next few years.

Best of luck to Roscommon and Galway in Div1 next year. It's a tough one to stay in and helps massively with the development of a team if they can do so.

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Quote from: David McKeown on March 29, 2022, 11:49:04 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Either way he has every right to feel hard done by. If the same incident is treated differently within the same match then there is a major problem. If both incidences had been penalised with the same penalty then it wouldn't be a major issue. A rare example of where 2 wrongs make a right. Instead Offaly were shafted by incompetent officials.

Quote from: David McKeown on March 29, 2022, 11:49:04 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Read that the earlier offence was that the kickout was too short, not that the ball was played back to the keeper. A tap over free seems harsh enough for playing the ball back to the keeper I think.

Either way, how on earth do the GAA think they have a right to control what anyone posts on social media.

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 01:13:08 PM

Quote from: David McKeown on March 29, 2022, 11:49:04 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Read that the earlier offence was that the kickout was too short, not that the ball was played back to the keeper. A tap over free seems harsh enough for playing the ball back to the keeper I think.

Either way, how on earth do the GAA think they have a right to control what anyone posts on social media.

That's not what he stated in the article.

"So I chose the '50/50 ball instead of a 45 (free shot at goal) obviously. But the referee then gave a free in from the 14 for the same rule they called earlier in the game as a throw ball.''

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 01:13:08 PM

Either way, how on earth do the GAA think they have a right to control what anyone posts on social media.

Exactly, we aren't living in China.

Quote from: westbound on March 29, 2022, 11:40:10 AM

Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

Who are you including as the 'other' 8? I assume the top 6 in Div 1, plus Dublin & Galway?

Correct

Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

I think there is a top five at the moment with Mayo,Tyrone,Kerry,Donegal,Dublin. The latter two one is in transition and the other probably should have brought in a new manager with new ideas.

Not a lot between Derry/Kildare/Roscommon/Armagh/Monaghan/Galway games that could go either way if they are to fare off this summer.

Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

Roscommon are getting stronger again due to some very good players coming into the adult squad
Probably will have new management too
I think if they target the league next year they can stay up, similar to 2016

Quote from: Blowitupref on March 29, 2022, 02:08:28 PM

Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

I think there is a top five at the moment with Mayo,Tyrone,Kerry,Donegal,Dublin. The latter two one is in transition and the other probably should have brought in a new manager with new ideas.

Not a lot between Derry/Kildare/Roscommon/Armagh/Monaghan/Galway games that could go either way if they are to fare off this summer.

There is a top 4 and Donegal aren't in it. Donegal keep getting put up in the top contender category, they have failed in every big championship match in recent years.

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 29, 2022, 02:30:42 PM

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Quote from: screenexile on March 29, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
Agree with above.

I think Roscommon/Derry/Kildare are maybe just a small step below the other 8 teams when it comes down to it.

I think there is a top five at the moment with Mayo,Tyrone,Kerry,Donegal,Dublin. The latter two one is in transition and the other probably should have brought in a new manager with new ideas.

Not a lot between Derry/Kildare/Roscommon/Armagh/Monaghan/Galway games that could go either way if they are to fare off this summer.

There is a top 4 and Donegal aren't in it. Donegal keep getting put up in the top contender category, they have failed in every big championship match in recent years.

Couldnt agree more

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on March 29, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
There is a top 4 and Donegal aren't in it. Donegal keep getting put up in the top contender category, they have failed in every big championship match in recent years.

They haven't reached All Ireland semi final since 2014. Tipperary has reached two Semi finals since then.

They have a squad that should be a contender. Fresh approach is needed and I'm not sure why Bonner was kept on this year. Dublin are not the force they once were and may well be beaten in All Ireland quarter final this year. Mayo,Kerry,Tyrone will reach the last four unless drawn against each other in the quarter final.

If Derry had gone up, I think we'd be going straight back down next year and personally I dont think that's good for the development of a team.
As it is, being in a division with Dublin and Kildare (no disrespect to the other Div2 sides) will give us plenty of opportunity to progress further next year.

As far as top teams go, I'd have Mayo/Kerry/Tyrone as the top 3 with Galway being a real dark horse. I think if they had everyone fit with Joyce as manager they could give anyone a game. Donegal are on the slide and recently we've seen that they have too much of a reliance on murphy. Age is catching up on him and so Donegal are on the slide. Plus, I don't rate Bonnar as a good manager.

Dublin could slide further back......it really depends on how they react to relegation and whether or not they can find some new young players to develop into the side. Not sure about management credential here either, but in saying that, whoever came in after Gavin was always going to be a failure in comparison.

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I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Read that the earlier offence was that the kickout was too short, not that the ball was played back to the keeper. A tap over free seems harsh enough for playing the ball back to the keeper I think.

Either way, how on earth do the GAA think they have a right to control what anyone posts on social media.

That's not what he stated in the article.

"So I chose the '50/50 ball instead of a 45 (free shot at goal) obviously. But the referee then gave a free in from the 14 for the same rule they called earlier in the game as a throw ball.''

There are two different stories as to what happened in the first instance.

But even if the ref did make a mistake the first time (and that's not clear), it would be a nonsense to suggest he should keep making the same mistake to be consistent!  He got the final decision 100% correct.

Quote from: Hound on March 29, 2022, 07:49:02 PM

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Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Read that the earlier offence was that the kickout was too short, not that the ball was played back to the keeper. A tap over free seems harsh enough for playing the ball back to the keeper I think.

Either way, how on earth do the GAA think they have a right to control what anyone posts on social media.

That's not what he stated in the article.

"So I chose the '50/50 ball instead of a 45 (free shot at goal) obviously. But the referee then gave a free in from the 14 for the same rule they called earlier in the game as a throw ball.''

There are two different stories as to what happened in the first instance.

But even if the ref did make a mistake the first time (and that's not clear), it would be a nonsense to suggest he should keep making the same mistake to be consistent!  He got the final decision 100% correct.

Well on the presumption that the Offaly goalkeeper was telling the truth in terms of the same offence being committed twice in the same game with different penalties (and it's not hard to prove whether this happened) then his complaints against the referee are entirely legitimate. If as you suggest he got the second decision correct then he got the first one 100% wrong. His actual job is to know the rules so when did he learn of the penalty for such an offence, was it midway through the match? It would be helpful if the officials could explain their decisions in these instances.

The Offaly goalkeeper was entitled to presume that he was about to concede a throw ball on the 13 metre line if the same punishment had been doled out previously in the match. Instead he conceded the point which cost the their last chance of promotion and he has to deal with the resultant flak.

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Quote from: David McKeown on March 29, 2022, 11:49:04 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 11:07:28 AM
I see the Offaly keeper may be asked to apologise for his social media posts, as they may be in breach of the GAA's social media policy? Since when has this been a thing?

I saw this. Interesting what he said that referees clearly don't know the rules. I've noticed that a few times this year but what I've also noticed is the rule book is far from clear. Kerry got away with the same thing that he was complaining about twice against Kerry and whilst I knew it was an offence I'd no idea what the sanction for it was. Even after consulting the official guide I'm still not sure.

Read that the earlier offence was that the kickout was too short, not that the ball was played back to the keeper. A tap over free seems harsh enough for playing the ball back to the keeper I think.

Either way, how on earth do the GAA think they have a right to control what anyone posts on social media.

That's not what he stated in the article.

"So I chose the '50/50 ball instead of a 45 (free shot at goal) obviously. But the referee then gave a free in from the 14 for the same rule they called earlier in the game as a throw ball.''

There are two different stories as to what happened in the first instance.

But even if the ref did make a mistake the first time (and that's not clear), it would be a nonsense to suggest he should keep making the same mistake to be consistent!  He got the final decision 100% correct.

Well on the presumption that the Offaly goalkeeper was telling the truth in terms of the same offence being committed twice in the same game with different penalties (and it's not hard to prove whether this happened) then his complaints against the referee are entirely legitimate. If as you suggest he got the second decision correct then he got the first one 100% wrong. His actual job is to know the rules so when did he learn of the penalty for such an offence, was it midway through the match? It would be helpful if the officials could explain their decisions in these instances.

The Offaly goalkeeper was entitled to presume that he was about to concede a throw ball on the 13 metre line if the same punishment had been doled out previously in the match. Instead he conceded the point which cost the their last chance of promotion and he has to deal with the resultant flak.

Surley the issue lies with the player who passed it back. It left the goalie with a split second to choose between 2 poor options. It's the players fault.

100% correct Tyrone08 - I mentioned this here already - the fault lies squarely with the player that kicked it back to the keeper.

Case closed

No need to copy Division 1 by setting up a separate Final thread...
Ourselves and the Herrins will be playing their last game in Division 2 till at least January 2024.
Will either side field their strongest team,?, will either go all out for it?
Or will it be a nice open game of  lovely Connacht football?
Croke Park will be pretty empty by all indications unless the Rhubarb army come in early.
A lot of people not travelling due to costs and the relative meaninglessness of the game.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 10:40:23 AM
No need to copy Division 1 by setting up a separate Final thread...
Ourselves and the Herrins will be playing their last game in Division 2 till at least January 2024.
Will either side field their strongest team,?, will either go all out for it?
Or will it be a nice open game of  lovely Connacht football?
Croke Park will be pretty empty by all indications unless the Rhubarb army come in early.
A lot of people not travelling due to costs and the relative meaninglessness of the game.

Personally I think the league finals are un warranted. Top of the league is the the league winner IMO.
The only real benefit is for the players to experience playing in Croke Park....even if it is empty.

I'd imagine neither of the two teams will want to risk injury to key players before the championship. I'm sure both have aspirations of provincial titles and why would you risk that for a Div2 league title?

Agree re no need for League Finals esp Divisions 2,3 and 4.
Top League after 7 games you get the Cup.
Will they be abolished in the new system next year?

Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 10:40:23 AM
No need to copy Division 1 by setting up a separate Final thread...
Ourselves and the Herrins will be playing their last game in Division 2 till at least January 2024.
Will either side field their strongest team,?, will either go all out for it?
Or will it be a nice open game of  lovely Connacht football?
Croke Park will be pretty empty by all indications unless the Rhubarb army come in early.
A lot of people not travelling due to costs and the relative meaninglessness of the game.

A great opportunity to give fringe players a run out. Like a soccer international friendly.
Only the D1 final matters.

Agreed re there being no need for a final - especially so close to championship first round.
If anybody has any niggle at all they should not be risked.
Would say both teams will go all out to win it though.
Roscommon have 4 weeks to first round of championship after Sunday and realistically they will win that game regardless.
Pj will probably field his strongest available team - Comer won't play, not sure about Walsh.

Wouldnt agree there at all. Think any chance to win silverware is not to be sniffed at, only is 3 chances in the year and the league is one of them, I don't realistically see Roscommon or Galway winning a provincial or AI this year.

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 12:49:01 PM
Wouldnt agree there at all. Think any chance to win silverware is not to be sniffed at, only is 3 chances in the year and the league is one of them, I don't realistically see Roscommon or Galway winning a provincial or AI this year.

Totally agree. A national league final at croke park is a great opportunity which the majority of players don't get. It's a chance of silverware and for many players it's the best chance of getting a medal. I have to laugh at Roscommon supporters turning up their nose at this opportunity, I'd say the players and managers will have a completely different opinion.

I guess its enjoyable on the day, but in the long run no one gives a bollocks about a Division 2 title.

I had to rack my brain for a minute earlier this week in a different conversation to remember if we'd won it in 2019 and who we'd beaten.

The main reason I remembered was the Meath full-forward (Newman?) giving a young Brendan McCole an awful doing in the first half before Neil McGee was drafted in to take control of things.

Only thing memorable about the 2014 final, which we lost, was Rory Kavanagh getting the line because he didn't react kindly to Darren Hughes and another Monaghan player tossing his boot around the field between them and gave Hughes a clip in the nuts!

Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Yeah, classy comments from a complete d***head. The point I was making is that in connacht roscommon have very little chance because Galway are likely to beat them and if not Mayo certainly will. Therefore if I was a roscommon player I'd be targetting this final as it's the best chance of actually winning something. If Derry had made the final I'd be disappointed if they weren't going flat out to win it as it's a similar scenario to roscommon in that they aren't likely to win their provincial at the moment.

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Yeah one of the worst supported teams in the country.

On the game this weekend couldn't care less about the result the main aim was to get promoted. As said above nearly all our squad have multiple D2 medals

Quote from: oliverkelly on March 31, 2022, 02:04:18 PM

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Yeah one of the worst supported teams in the country.

On the game this weekend couldn't care less about the result the main aim was to get promoted. As said above nearly all our squad have multiple D2 medals

Probably the fact that you've won it a few times recently would take the shine off it in fairness, but Armagh lads definitely would love a medal (minds gone blank but as far as I remember we didnt get to play a final in 2020 due to covid).

I'm sure most counties in that scenario would love the chance to play in croke park for a medal. Didnt Leitrim take most of the county to Croker a few years back?

Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 02:15:05 PM

Quote from: oliverkelly on March 31, 2022, 02:04:18 PM

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Yeah one of the worst supported teams in the country.

On the game this weekend couldn't care less about the result the main aim was to get promoted. As said above nearly all our squad have multiple D2 medals

Probably the fact that you've won it a few times recently would take the shine off it in fairness, but Armagh lads definitely would love a medal (minds gone blank but as far as I remember we didnt get to play a final in 2020 due to covid).

I'm sure most counties in that scenario would love the chance to play in croke park for a medal. Didnt Leitrim take most of the county to Croker a few years back?

I guess with any sports team, its all about relative standing and expectations.

If you expect to be seriously competing for a provincial title or even beyond, a Division 2 title is fairly meaningless as your team is already above that standard.

Dublin get zero satisfaction from winning Leinster, whereas every other Leinster county would kill to able to win one now. We in Donegal wouldn't currently put much stake in winning a Division 2 title, but who knows where we'll be in ten years  (or even five when Murphy is gone and the likes of McBearty and McHugh following him). If you're on the way back, it could be a decent milestone. If its something you win repeatedly because you're too good for Division 2 but not quite good enough for Division 1, I'm sure it loses its lustre fairly quickly. (That's not a dig at anyone - we've been in three finals in the past decade or so)

Roscommon supporters  :o

Quote from: lenny on March 31, 2022, 01:59:58 PM

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM


. The point I was making is that in connacht roscommon have very little chance because Galway are likely to beat them and if not Mayo certainly will. Therefore if I was a roscommon player I'd be targetting this final as it's the best chance of actually winning something.

Last 6 Connacht Titles have seen Ros, Galway and Mayowestros win 2 each.

Quote from: lenny on March 31, 2022, 01:59:58 PM

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Yeah, classy comments from a complete d***head. The point I was making is that in connacht roscommon have very little chance because Galway are likely to beat them and if not Mayo certainly will. Therefore if I was a roscommon player I'd be targetting this final as it's the best chance of actually winning something. If Derry had made the final I'd be disappointed if they weren't going flat out to win it as it's a similar scenario to roscommon in that they aren't likely to win their provincial at the moment.

Rossfan has pointed out the even distrubution of connacht tiltles between Mayo, Galway & Roscommon over the last 6 years. Clearly you don't know this, probably following the other Derry team in the Brandywell. Your lack of knowledge on basic gaa matters & the irony of calling me a dickhead not to mention the context of your use of the word "classy" in the post above. Then again classy & Derry are oxymoronic terms.
For a small county with large levels of migration to other counties, we box well above out weight. All ireland U20 appearance last year beating Galway & Mayo on the way, Connacht minor final appearance beating Galway & Mayo on the way. But a gobsh@te like you wouldn't know this, you just keep shouting your mucker mouth off.

Quote from: JoG2 on March 31, 2022, 02:44:51 PM
Roscommon supporters  :o

Few lettin themselves down a bagful alright. But heyho

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Quote from: JoG2 on March 31, 2022, 02:44:51 PM
Roscommon supporters  :o

Few lettin themselves down a bagful alright. But heyho

Absolutely

Quote from: Rudi on March 31, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
Roscommon have won 3 division 2 titles in the last 6 years. Any Roscommon supporter including myself couldn't give a toss about them. A connacht football title & possibly an All Ireland semi final appearance is where its at. The league finals should be abandoned at Div 2,3,4 level.

Lenny you talking about laughing at Roscommon supporters, we are the ones doing the laughing after your team of dirty hoors ended up staying in division 2, while 2 decent sides went up. But but but I saw 5 minutes of bookface on the internet  ;D ;D ;D Ask one of the 50 Derry supporters how their team behaved for the full 80 minutes. Says all you need to know about Derry, with 50 supporters travelling away to a big game, if the fixture was reversed between 2 - 2.5 k Roscommon supporters would have travelled to Owenbeg.

Ros have been on the yoyo diet for a while. Cavan joined at the same time but went back on the crisps.

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 31, 2022, 03:20:26 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on March 31, 2022, 02:44:51 PM
Roscommon supporters  :o

Few lettin themselves down a bagful alright. But heyho

Roscommon lads some craic talking about Derry's behaviour . . . their players didn't behave too well the last time they were in the maiden city!!!

Today's panel were aged between 1 and 5 back then.

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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 31, 2022, 03:20:26 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on March 31, 2022, 02:44:51 PM
Roscommon supporters  :o

Few lettin themselves down a bagful alright. But heyho

Roscommon lads some craic talking about Derry's behaviour . . . their players didn't behave too well the last time they were in the maiden city!!!

Did any Derry poster here attend the game in the Hyde?
A bunch of keyboard fans who don't attend games.

Id be curious to know what thats got to do with my point Oliver

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 31, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Id be curious to know what thats got to do with my point Oliver

Loads anyone who attended the game in the Hyde would clearly know Derry were not hard done by the ref and had the ref been fair Roscommon would have won very comfortably. Also the behaviour of the Derry team was as scummy as I have witnessed in a long time. McKeigue been the worst.

At this early stage im going to give up Oliver good luck with the reading for the future

I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Big hitters? There's only 1.
Business end of season? How many AI Finals have Galway reached or won in last 6 years?
They've won 2 of the last 13 or so Connachts.

Quote from: seafoid on March 31, 2022, 05:06:55 PM

Ros have been on the yoyo diet for a while. Cavan joined at the same time but went back on the crisps.

For seven years in a a row Cavan have been either promoted or relegated and that will likely continue next year.  The Rossies had two years in a a row in division 1 (2016/17) since its promoted or relegated.

There is a strong argument that top in division 2 should win the silverware. The prize for both ( promotion) has already been achieved and i don't think the loser on Sunday will be overly bothered so long as it isn't a heavy defeat.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 07:07:07 PM
Big hitters? There's only 1.
Business end of season? How many AI Finals have Galway reached or won in last 6 years?
They've won 2 of the last 13 or so Connachts.

Ah Rossfan. Jaysus.

Questions such as "How many AI Finals have Galway reached or won in last 6 years?" are counterproductive for Rossies
The hurlers were in 2 finals and won 1 .
Ros didn't get to any.
Connachts don't really count in the big picture . They wouldn't be enough to fill half of Croke Park when even hurling people join in.
A generational movement will follow a very good team all the way. There hasn't been such a team for a while but
things were probably worse in the early 90s.

Galway team  and subs for Sunday, no Shane Walsh but Comer is fit to start. I think we'll see Sean Kelly helping out around the full back line with Matthew Tierney and Niall Daly helping out midfield.

1. Conor Flaherty (Claregalway GAA)
2. Jack Glynn (Claregalway)
3. Kieran Molloy (CorofinGAA)
4. Liam Silke (Corofin)
5. Dylan McHugh (Corofin)
6. John Daly (Mountbellew Moylough GAA Club)
7. Cillian McDaid (Monivea Abbey GAA Football Club)
8. Seán Kelly - Capt (Cumann Peile Mhaigh Cuilinn)
9. Paul Conroy (St. James' GAA - Galway)
10. Matthew Tierney (Oughterard)
11. Niall Daly (Kilconly)
12. Johnny Heaney (Killannin)
13. Robert Finnerty (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
14. Damien Comer (Annaghdown)
15. Dessie Conneely (Maigh Cuilinn)

Subs
16. Connor Gleeson (Dunmore MacHales)
17. Jonathan McGrath (Caherlistrane)
18. Tony Gill (Corofin)
19. Seán Fitzgerald (Bearna)
20. Cathal Sweeney (Salthill/Knocknacarra)
21. James McLaughlin (Maigh Cuilinn)
22. Paul Kelly (Maigh Cuilinn)
23. Patrick Kelly (Mountbellew/Moylough)
24. Cormac McWalter (Tuam Stars)
25. Finnian Ó Laoí (An Spidéal)
26. Owen Gallagher (Maigh Cuilinn)

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Quote from: Rossfan on March 31, 2022, 12:24:36 PM
Agree re no need for League Finals esp Divisions 2,3 and 4.
Top League after 7 games you get the Cup.
Will they be abolished in the new system next year?

I could not disagree more with this absurd opinion. Teams from divisions 2,3,4 have little or no chance of championship success. A league final at Croke park is massive for their players and gives them a chance of silverware. I'd say most players would prefer the chance to win a final at Croke park to inevitably losing by  a few points in the championship to the big div 1 teams. If anything the one division which probably doesn't need a final is division 1 because the teams qualify for that final will have realistic chances of championship success.

Galway footballers were big hitters in the 60s, were reasonably big hitters but losing finals 70s, early 80s.
Then 1998 to 2001.
Haven't been since and hadn't their eye off any ball in recent years as they shared 4 titles with Ros 2016 to 19.
Neither our 2 or their 2 Connacht wins were "fluky"
We never claimed to be a superpower and will gladly take the cupeen if we win next Sunday.
Be no tears shed if we don't either.
Galway will be the same.

PS Seaf you know well that hurley stuff doesn't count ;)

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2022, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

A Roscommon vs Derry fixture would be interesting this summer.

Nothing "absurd" about an opinion that the team that tops a League gets the Cup.
I know news can be slow to get to some parts but there's a Tailteann Cup for D3 and D4 teams so they can aim for a Croke Park Final.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 11:08:55 AM
Nothing "absurd" about an opinion that the team that tops a League gets the Cup.
I know news can be slow to get to some parts but there's a Tailteann Cup for D3 and D4 teams so they can aim for a Croke Park Final.

lol those teams and players would turn down the guarantee of a final in croke park for the outside chance that they'll qualify for one later in the year. Not to mention the significant advantage any team would have in a Tailteann cup final if they'd already had experience of a final in croker earlier in the season. Ludicrous thinking.

The players and teams don't get to decide whether there are League Finals or not.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 01, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
Galway footballers were big hitters in the 60s, were reasonably big hitters but losing finals 70s, early 80s.
Then 1998 to 2001.
Haven't been since and hadn't their eye off any ball in recent years as they shared 4 titles with Ros 2016 to 19.
Neither our 2 or their 2 Connacht wins were "fluky"
We never claimed to be a superpower and will gladly take the cupeen if we win next Sunday.
Be no tears shed if we don't either.
Galway will be the same.

PS Seaf you know well that hurley stuff doesn't count ;)

Meath, Down And Cork are also dormant. It's not a good time for second order fuball powers

Quote from: sensethetone on April 01, 2022, 10:59:53 AM

Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2022, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

A Roscommon vs Derry fixture would be interesting this summer.

If it happens, hopefully its televised so the Derry wans get to see it ;D Referee will need eyes in the back of his head & maybe 1 each at the sides too. Could be an idea to have a camera & a wire on Crissy for the full game.

Quote from: Rudi on April 01, 2022, 01:32:10 PM

Quote from: sensethetone on April 01, 2022, 10:59:53 AM

Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2022, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

A Roscommon vs Derry fixture would be interesting this summer.

If it happens, hopefully its televised so the Derry wans get to see it ;D Referee will need eyes in the back of his head & maybe 1 each at the sides too. Could be an idea to have a camera & a wire on Crissy for the full game.

Why would a Roscommon native be allowed to ref? Surely should be neutral no?

Id say thered be more entertainment if the cameras were on you you clown 😂😂

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 01:41:22 PM

Quote from: Rudi on April 01, 2022, 01:32:10 PM

Quote from: sensethetone on April 01, 2022, 10:59:53 AM

Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2022, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

A Roscommon vs Derry fixture would be interesting this summer.

If it happens, hopefully its televised so the Derry wans get to see it ;D Referee will need eyes in the back of his head & maybe 1 each at the sides too. Could be an idea to have a camera & a wire on Crissy for the full game.

Why would a Roscommon native be allowed to ref? Surely should be neutral no?

Id say thered be more entertainment if the cameras were on you you clown 😂😂

:) ;) not a bad retort for a Derry man in fairness. Any sign of Nell McCafferty aka Lenny ;D

Quote from: Rudi on April 01, 2022, 01:32:10 PM

Quote from: sensethetone on April 01, 2022, 10:59:53 AM

Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2022, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

A Roscommon vs Derry fixture would be interesting this summer.

If it happens, hopefully its televised so the Derry wans get to see it ;D Referee will need eyes in the back of his head & maybe 1 each at the sides too. Could be an idea to have a camera & a wire on Crissy for the full game.

What did he do? Keep seeing him mentioned on here.

Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on April 01, 2022, 01:41:22 PM

Quote from: Rudi on April 01, 2022, 01:32:10 PM

Quote from: sensethetone on April 01, 2022, 10:59:53 AM

Quote from: Tubberman on April 01, 2022, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: lenny on April 01, 2022, 09:52:05 AM

Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on March 31, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
I actually would agree that the Rossies (or Galway) shouldn't be putting too much store in the final. Promotion was the priority and with that achieved, albeit courtesy of a controversial home draw against a team that was in division 4 two years ago and a win against an already promoted Galway, there is little point in risking first choice players in the final. It would be a nice touch to give those who have got, or are likely to get, little game time this year a runout at Croke Park.

I'd say the two recent Connacht titles for Roscommon is a surprise to many, given Roscommon's anonymity at the business end of the season, but they are also an indicator that the big hitters treat Connacht titles in the same way Roscommon treat div 2 finals.

Totally agree. A couple of flukey Connacht titles when Mayo and Galway have taken their eye off the ball does not make roscommon a superpower. They are a few points below Galway as a team and about 10 behind Mayo. They are nowhere near good enough to be turning up their noses at a league title.

Really displaying your ignorance, and what's worse is your confidence in your ignorance!

A Roscommon vs Derry fixture would be interesting this summer.

If it happens, hopefully its televised so the Derry wans get to see it ;D Referee will need eyes in the back of his head & maybe 1 each at the sides too. Could be an idea to have a camera & a wire on Crissy for the full game.

Why would a Roscommon native be allowed to ref? Surely should be neutral no?

Id say thered be more entertainment if the cameras were on you you clown 😂😂

🤣🤣🤣 post of the year!

*tips cap*

 No d.comer for today😔 injured again.

Quote from: cornetto on April 03, 2022, 08:36:42 AM
No d.comer for today😔 injured again.

He's 'doubtful' for the Mayo game I believe.

Quote from: cornetto on April 03, 2022, 08:36:42 AM
No d.comer for today😔 injured again.

His hamstrings are disaster zones.
He was poor enough starting out this league, but he got a run of games and came roaring back into form. He'll be back to square one again even if available for Mayo match which is the big problem.
He just cannot stay fully fit, it's a huge issue for Galway since we just don't have a wealth of players who when on form are real difference makers, he makes life a lot easier for other players alongside him, I'm looking at the list of players who will have to come in instead, no heavy scorers there really, Comer was getting at least a goal a game.
It seems like it was known that Comer was injured and unable to play well before now, why bother listing him to start at all?

Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 03, 2022, 09:58:40 AM

Quote from: cornetto on April 03, 2022, 08:36:42 AM
No d.comer for today😔 injured again.

His hamstrings are disaster zones.
He was poor enough starting out this league, but he got a run of games and came roaring back into form. He'll be back to square one again even if available for Mayo match which is the big problem.
He just cannot stay fully fit, it's a huge issue for Galway since we just don't have a wealth of players who when on form are real difference makers, he makes life a lot easier for other players alongside him, I'm looking at the list of players who will have to come in instead, no heavy scorers there really, Comer was getting at least a goal a game.
It seems like it was known that Comer was injured and unable to play well before now, why bother listing him to start at all?

He hobbled off early in second half up in Owenbeg.
If it is another hamstring issue as has been reported then 100% why would you bother naming him to start. Nobody in their right mind would play somebody two weeks after hobbling off with any sort of hammer problem - especially three weeks out from your biggest game of the year.

Ref blind there, Conroy pulled him back as Harney went to kick it, 21m free.

As much as it's important players get to play in Croke Park, I think these finals should be played closer to home for the teams, fans closer in and bigger attendance give more atmosphere to the games.

Cynical fouling from Galway, pretty much going unpunished

Conroy looks like he has MOTM in the bag already with his 5 points.
Neither manager will be happy with the turnovers - a lot of poor/bad quality turnovers on both sides.
Kickouts a bit of a lottery at both ends.

Quote from: twohands!!! on April 03, 2022, 02:27:17 PM
Conroy looks like he has MOTM in the bag already with his 5 points.
Neither manager will be happy with the turnovers - a lot of poor/bad quality turnovers on both sides.
Kickouts a bit of a lottery at both ends.

Of the two Galway are the more organised in defence. Roscommon giving some amount of room and space to the Galway shooters especially Conroy.

First instinct by Galway when they lose the ball is to foul, its ridiculous what they're getting away with. Not a dirty team just cynical.

Some shooting from Conroy

The Roscommon moanometer will be ratching up now

The ref letting Galway get away with alot of fouling

Some goal,, Roscommon the better team, but looked like they throw it away.

How many personal fouls had Comer, gets away with blue murder.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
Some goal,, Roscommon the better team, but looked like they throw it away.

Didn't rewind it but he seemed to take quite a few steps

Quote from: Saffrongael on April 03, 2022, 03:19:37 PM

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
Some goal,, Roscommon the better team, but looked like they throw it away.

Didn't rewind it but he seemed to take quite a few steps

Possibly two hops as well?

He over carried alright but at the same time had a man fouling him. Roscommon  when ahead by 5 don't seem to know how to shut up shop and played very open.

Better team won, Roscommon will have to work at defence. Mayo would beat the pick of both sides.

Great goal by the Rossies.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 03:24:16 PM
Roscommon  when ahead by 5 don't seem to know how to shut up shop and played very open.

Quire right, Roscommon do not know when to shut up.

Some goal to win. Congrats Roscommon

We have big problems with our kick out.
Full back line also a major worry.
Then again these are not new problems for us.
Conroy is just a class act.
Comer our only other consistent player today I think

Quote from: armaghniac on April 03, 2022, 03:28:57 PM
Great goal by the Rossies.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 03:24:16 PM
Roscommon  when ahead by 5 don't seem to know how to shut up shop and played very open.

Quire right, Roscommon do not know when to shut up.

Says you with close to 16k posts here :o

Did Anthony Cunningham play club football?

Quote from: 03,05,08 on April 03, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Did Anthony Cunningham play club football?

In Roscommon he did a bit of training with Bridget's, played the odd game with the seconds. Dont know what he did regarding football when he lived in Galway.

Quote from: galwayman on April 03, 2022, 03:36:21 PM
We have big problems with our kick out.
Full back line also a major worry.
Then again these are not new problems for us.
Conroy is just a class act.
Comer our only other consistent player today I think

Conroy playing superb football this season and was Galway's best player by a mile today in my opinion. Rossies had a big wobble when they went 5 ahead but they were full value for the win.

Better team by a good bit won today, throughly deserved, one point margin flattering for Galway and our pathetic record in the place you want to save your best for continues.
Serious issues across all lines today, Conroy all through and Comer in the 2nd half are exempted from that in fairness, Conroy has been plugging away in poor to middling Galway teams for years, needed some new lads to step up today and they were found severely wanting.

How long are we going to have to look at goalkeepers not being put in a position to succeed? No strategy and ate alive on breaking ball. The tackling technique when players run straight at the Galway defence is chronic.

Unless Mayo have the mother and father of all off days there's only one winner in 3 weeks time, they match up really well with Galway, could be a tough outing.

Galway player (Tierney?) going for a point when 30 seconds left and down 3. I never understand that mentality.

Quote from: blanketattack on April 03, 2022, 04:25:17 PM
Galway player (Tierney?) going for a point when 30 seconds left and down 3. I never understand that mentality.

He didn't. He was trying to drop it in around the house but over cooked it.

Quote from: Rudi on April 03, 2022, 03:47:10 PM

Quote from: 03,05,08 on April 03, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Did Anthony Cunningham play club football?

In Roscommon he did a bit of training with Bridget's, played the odd game with the seconds. Dont know what he did regarding football when he lived in Galway.

Nothing I think. He's from an area that has no Gaelic football club.

So that's 4 D2 titles for the neighbours recently.
Ní uasal agus íseal ach thuas seal agus thíos arís agus arís eile.

Quote from: galwayman on April 03, 2022, 04:45:44 PM

Quote from: Rudi on April 03, 2022, 03:47:10 PM

Quote from: 03,05,08 on April 03, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Did Anthony Cunningham play club football?

In Roscommon he did a bit of training with Bridget's, played the odd game with the seconds. Dont know what he did regarding football when he lived in Galway.

Nothing I think. He's from an area that has no Gaelic football club.

Was thinking saint Thomas's wouldn't of had a football team but wasn't sure, some credit to his coaching ability

He over the Galway Hurlers a few yrs bck lost an all Ireland?

Player power ousted him.

He managed mullingar to an all Ireland club final too.

Roscommon aren't bereft of talent either. They always seem to be there or thereabouts at underage level so must have a decent enough football setup in the county.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 05:42:08 PM
He over the Galway Hurlers a few yrs bck lost an all Ireland?

Was Galway manager when they reached the 2012 and 2015 All Ireland finals he led Galway U21s to the AI title in 2011. The Galway senior All-Ireland winning team in 2017 was basically the team Cunningham built.

As manager he won Connacht and Leinster titles with St Brigids and Garrycastle footballers.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 03, 2022, 05:42:08 PM
He over the Galway Hurlers a few yrs bck lost an all Ireland?

He was a poor enough hurling tactician. They needed someone else to make the breakthrough
Great to see him doing well with Ros

So much for my information and comer not starting 🙄 a miraculous recovery!!! He was probably one of galways better players.Mayo won't be too worried after galways display I would imagine,but if Mayo's shooting doesn't improve Galway could have an outside chance.

Good day out in HQ, batin the neighbours and winning the cupeen.

Our other neighbours didn't do too well either🤣.
Still it's only th'oul League.
Hope we can continue the improvement since the start of the League, give Connacht a rattle, get to and be competitive in the AI Qtr Final .
And stay in D1 for a few years this time
We have some great forwards, a decentish midfield but defence is a major problem.
As for today, we made heavy weather of a game we had in the bag at 3 qtr stage but Diarmuid's goal was worth the journey and we did well to recover from conceding 6 in a row.
Raise up the Standard high
Wave banners to the sky
Men of Roscommon are marching again

Quote from: cornetto on April 03, 2022, 07:18:16 PM
So much for my information and comer not starting 🙄 a miraculous recovery!!! He was probably one of galways better players.Mayo won't be too worried after galways display I would imagine,but if Mayo's shooting doesn't improve Galway could have an outside chance.

Mayo haven't found any new scoring forwards by the looks of things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3XTj5G_SA

Quote from: Rossfan on April 03, 2022, 08:08:12 PM
Good day out in HQ, batin the neighbours and winning the cupeen.

Our other neighbours didn't do too well either🤣.
Still it's only th'oul League.
Hope we can continue the improvement since the start of the League, give Connacht a rattle, get to and be competitive in the AI Qtr Final .
And stay in D1 for a few years this time
We have some great forwards, a decentish midfield but defence is a major problem.
As for today, we made heavy weather of a game we had in the bag at 3 qtr stage but Diarmuid's goal was worth the journey and we did well to recover from conceding 6 in a row.
Raise up the Standard high
Wave banners to the sky
Men of Roscommon are marching again

Everything is possible in April but the big picture is depressing. Connacht haven't won Sam since 2001 and won't this year either. Ros haven't had a serious team since the late 1970s. Mayo are stuck in Groundhog day. Galway are in a holding pattern. It's still 2+3+9

An old fashion shootout in Croke Park yesterday where the best team got a narrow victory. Conroy and Comer remain big players for Galway and boosted by the return of Shane Walsh. Tierney I feel is starting to show the strain of all the football he played this spring.  Roscommon have solid midfield pairing in Harney,Nolan that allows a good set of forwards to produce a big score. Both will have to tighten up defensively if they have hopes for regaining a Connacht title this summer and staying up in Div 1 next year.

All we can do is work on a strategy as we have very few good natural defenders in the County.
Still we'll take the D2 Cupeen, topping the Division and being undefeated for now.
Next week the real work begins but we're in a better place than we've been in a few years.

Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2022, 02:55:22 PM
All we can do is work on a strategy as we have very few good natural defenders in the County.
Still we'll take the D2 Cupeen, topping the Division and being undefeated for now.
Next week the real work begins but we're in a better place than we've been in a few years.

The main thing is to stay up in Division 1 like Monaghan have. There is no replacement for 7 games a year against the top teams.
5 more years with this group and the right exposure could be interesting.