All Ireland club football championships 2023/24

[From the Bunker]

The simple solution is to have a Senior B Championship with 8 teams and let the players from those teams play with the Divisional teams in the Kerry Championship. This would set the balance right and not affect anybody.

[clonadmad]

Trying to bite Clifford in the sack

How low can Tyrone actually go


https://twitter.com/adammoynihan/status/1615017141547290630?s=46&t=QrD8KQo78pLfdYy5msZY_g

[Milltown Row2]

Where was he putting his hand?

[Armagh18]

Trying to bite Clifford in the sack

How low can Tyrone actually go


https://twitter.com/adammoynihan/status/1615017141547290630?s=46&t=QrD8KQo78pLfdYy5msZY_g

where was the bite? Grab by the looks of it but bite?

[Owenmoresider]

Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.

I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.

Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.

The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.

They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.

Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.

But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?

What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!

Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though

All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.

And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.

And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.

Why did they bring in that stupid rule anyway? Like it only affected a very small number of counties, Galway and Tipperary being two. Counties should be able to do what is right for providing the best possible structure for its own clubs in terms of meaningful competitive competitions at all grades, not have Croke Park imposing unnecessary limitations upon them. Sure Kerry's system has distorted the All Ireland competitions but they were doing what was best for the county itself, not to rack up handy club All Irelands outside of it. And if what you say is true then they appear to recognise that some change may be needed but if it's Croke Park that is putting barriers in front of that then it is on them. And the divisions in Kerry are obviously important and do help in enabling players to compete at the top level without abandoning their clubs, unlike some other players we could mention. Like the idea that Clifford was playing at junior level is remarkable, and the existence of East Kerry means he didn't have to go off to Dr Crokes to play at senior.

[Wildweasel74]

At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.

[Never beat the deeler]

At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.

was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed

[Gael85]

At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.

was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed

Clifford second yellow for foul at start of clip below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyRlwEBX4Oo

[Estimator]

At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.

was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed

This clip shows him talking to the ref in the aftermath.
https://twitter.com/AdamMoynihan/status/1614991381293826048?t=9ka0ZRIV8Wvjme5BJ-8nXA&s=09

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

Kerry can setup internally as best they want for their club championships but it's absolutely disadvantaging clubs from other counties at this stage, the evidence is clear as day, in the final nearly every year and it's only because of the likes of Oughterard springing a huge upset against a Templenoe team that was sprinkled with Kerry county players that it's not every year.

I probably wouldn't be as bothered about it only I've seen my own home place win the Junior AI and how incredible that was for the players and the local people. Huge joy and priceless memories that will last a lifetime for everyone there on the day. Will anyone from our parish present in CP for that final live to see the likes again? Doubtful, this is one shot stuff for most clubs that get to the latter stages, it's hard to take that a team can slog through on a great run to come up against another club who shouldn't have been let into the competition in the first place, and a team from the number one football county in the country no less who would successful enough in the competitions even without such an artificial advantage.

Up to CP to grow a set of balls and ensure that there is a level playing field at this point, they were happy enough to dictate a hard limit to counties who didn't want to cut their number of Senior club teams and shouldn't care about hurting Kerry sensibilities.

The irony here of course being that the Croke Park "16 teams only in Senior" rule is stopping reform of Kerry Senior Championship and thereby holding up an automatic rebalancing of playing field. This is what I've been told at any rate. Kerry want (correctly) to maintain the divisional teams in Senior Championship but willing to restructure and bring more clubs up to Senior - 10 was proposed, along with 8 divisional teams playing off in a round robin to get to 2 teams entering the championship proper with 10 clubs, so 12 teams in effect. But the narrow minded approach in Croke Park was that they weren't allowed to do that.

They told the same thing to Cork I believe, which has almost 250 clubs. That's just daft.

Also, anybody talking about Senior B or playing divisional teams in a separate competition just doesn't get it. That won't be happening.

But it is already happening.. You can't just keep cooking the books to win competitions either though, so it's a bit of a hollow victory when everything is stacked in your favour no?

What is already happening? And no, I doubt any club that wins an All Ireland feels hollow either!

Listen, your entering your 9th best team in a competition where the vast majority of the country are entering their 17th. You're already the kingpins of football, and you reckon this is a level playing field. If you can't see what's wrong with that I don't know. Totally fine within Kerry and it works well for you, but once your in the 1st round of Munster it's a sham.
There's Kerry players togging out in the AI club intermediate and junior every year against club sides that are middle of the pack in their county. #9 from a football powerhouse against #17 elsewhere, keep patting yourselves on the back though

All I asked you was to clarify your post on Senior B or Divisional teams? Which didn't make sense to me.

And no patting on the back going on here. Nearly everyone in Kerry wants to change the system - for the 50th time, it's Croke Park that are blocking that with their stupid rigid 16 team thing. I agree there should be a levelling out.

And just on Munster - if Cork fixed their structure, straight away things would also be more even. They put winners of 3rd tier into Intermediate and 5th tier into Junior, which is silly.

Why did they bring in that stupid rule anyway? Like it only affected a very small number of counties, Galway and Tipperary being two. Counties should be able to do what is right for providing the best possible structure for its own clubs in terms of meaningful competitive competitions at all grades, not have Croke Park imposing unnecessary limitations upon them. Sure Kerry's system has distorted the All Ireland competitions but they were doing what was best for the county itself, not to rack up handy club All Irelands outside of it. And if what you say is true then they appear to recognise that some change may be needed but if it's Croke Park that is putting barriers in front of that then it is on them. And the divisions in Kerry are obviously important and do help in enabling players to compete at the top level without abandoning their clubs, unlike some other players we could mention. Like the idea that Clifford was playing at junior level is remarkable, and the existence of East Kerry means he didn't have to go off to Dr Crokes to play at senior.

I think exactly as you mentioned, the Tips Senior hurling championship was a high profile basket case that had over 30 teams in it I recall? Galway in a similar vein. Those things needed fixing but a "one size fits all" approach is not the right one. I mean, Cork for example as I've mentioned, has 250 odd clubs and is a huge county and huge GAA county - it makes zero sense for them to have the same number of Senior clubs as Carlow or Louth.

I mean if Kerry increased to 10 clubs next year and 8 divisions in whatever kind of a system gets worked out, it would be better for everyone. The Intermediate and Junior are levelled off a bit straight away aswell. That's a perfectly logical thing to do and it's being blocked.

[Armagh18]

Kerry sending their 11th best team to play another counties 17th best team isnt much better that whats happening now.

[clarshack]

At the start of the melee, What's the Stewartstown No. 2 trying to do to D Clifford on the ground, grabbing by the balls or sthing, then holds his face pretending to have Been hit, this the same lad mouthing to him after been send off. What a dick.! Doubt that one be doing the rounds in the coming days.

was wondering about him holding his face. After a couple of watches, it seems he's holding his face at the start of that clip - no idea what, if anything, happened just before this. Right hand disappears out of shot after - impossible to say what happens here but there doesn't seem to be any grabbing. Could be a jab if anything. Clifford doesn't seem to react the way I would if my balls were grabbed

That clip is inconclusive, there would need to be one from a different angle before it can be concluded as to what happened if anything.

[clarshack]

and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.

[Armagh18]

and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.

First I've heard of that. Boils my f**king blood and would have zero sympathy for any player getting a broke jaw if they said that.

[clarshack]

and of course nothing will be made of the Fossa players going around calling all our players 'Prods', Brit's and the usual anti-North rhetoric.

First I've heard of that. Boils my f**king blood and would have zero sympathy for any player getting a broke jaw if they said that.

seems to be a common theme with Kerry men. Billy Sheehan against Armagh and Finuge were at it against Cookstown 10 years ago.