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Title: Jack McCarron
Post by: Rawhide on January 27, 2023, 10:10:37 AM
Did I read that correctly, Jack McCarron has transferred from his club Currin to Scotstown, 14 mile from his own club in Monaghan?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Cavan19 on January 27, 2023, 11:46:08 AM
Where did you read it i did see some mumbling on Hoganstand about it is it approved?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: naka on January 27, 2023, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 27, 2023, 11:46:08 AM
Where did you read it i did see some mumbling on Hoganstand about it is it approved?
irish news today
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2023, 01:12:26 PM
Richard Clerkin will be happy!  :o
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: general_lee on January 27, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Family ties with Scotstown. Not nice to see all the same.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 01:24:32 PM
Disgrace tbh. Was there a fall out or why did his own club let him go?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2023, 01:24:39 PM
Did Rorey Beggan join Scotstown from another club also??
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 01:24:32 PM
Disgrace tbh. Was there a fall out or why did his own club let him go?

Its not prison, not contracted to stay and he's going into a different county
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2023, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 01:24:32 PM
Disgrace tbh. Was there a fall out or why did his own club let him go?

Its not prison, not contracted to stay and he's going into a different county

Different county??  :o
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 01:30:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2023, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 01:24:32 PM
Disgrace tbh. Was there a fall out or why did his own club let him go?

Its not prison, not contracted to stay and he's going into a different county

Different county??  :o

Sorry was getting that mixed up with Cathal  ;D
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 01:45:05 PM
Think the transfer has been in the pipeline for a while. He's living around the Scotstown area, and has family ties as his father played for the club.
Not good obviously for Currin to lose their best player. I see they are appealing the transfer.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2023, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 01:45:05 PM
Think the transfer has been in the pipeline for a while. He's living around the Scotstown area, and has family ties as his father played for the club.
Not good obviously for Currin to lose their best player. I see they are appealing the transfer.

Jeez that's messy! Could he bring Scotstown close to winning Ulster Rodney?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 01:57:16 PM
He'd a big boost for them. I think Scotstown have the biggest catchment area in Monaghan, a bit like Kilmacud but on a smaller scale.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 01:26:53 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 01:24:32 PM
Disgrace tbh. Was there a fall out or why did his own club let him go?

Its not prison, not contracted to stay and he's going into a different county
Not a chance should that have been allowed. No excuse for moving clubs in Monaghan it ain't thaf big ffs
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Free Country, amateur sport, no contract,....
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 02:36:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Free Country, amateur sport, no contract,....
i always thought the club had to agree before a transfer was granted.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: square_ball on January 27, 2023, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Free Country, amateur sport, no contract,....

You might as well allow every big club in their county to have their pick off players from small clubs with that kind of attitude.

And then we'll lament the demise of the wee club down the road that can't field in the years to come. . .
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: tonto1888 on January 27, 2023, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2023, 01:24:32 PM
Disgrace tbh.

nonsense
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Cavan19 on January 27, 2023, 02:48:35 PM
Quote from: square_ball on January 27, 2023, 02:36:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Free Country, amateur sport, no contract,....

You might as well allow every big club in their county to have their pick off players from small clubs with that kind of attitude.

And then we'll lament the demise of the wee club down the road that can't field in the years to come. . .

Sure are Ballybay not at it for years.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: bennydorano on January 27, 2023, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 01:57:16 PM
He'd a big boost for them. I think Scotstown have the biggest catchment area in Monaghan, a bit like Kilmacud but on a smaller scale.
Really? I cycle it through  it fairly regularly and often wonder how they're a County superpower, it's a pretty small place, plus they've Monaghan Harps, Emyvale & Truagh on their doorstep - no doubt there's other clubs about I'm not aware of as well.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: JimStynes on January 27, 2023, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Free Country, amateur sport, no contract,....

That's a silly argument. If it was a soccer club it would be generally accpeted that it is ok but we all know GAA doesn't work like that. The lads from Fossa get to play on the same team as the Cliffords because of the loyalty within GAA.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 04:01:02 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on January 27, 2023, 03:29:44 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
Free Country, amateur sport, no contract,....

That's a silly argument. If it was a soccer club it would be generally accpeted that it is ok but we all know GAA doesn't work like that. The lads from Fossa get to play on the same team as the Cliffords because of the loyalty within GAA.

Yes and all that but it's still a free Country, amateur sport no contracts so if an individual wishes to transfer to another club within the rules he is free to do so.
Thankfully most players don't wish to transfer and most who do are pretty genuine like working and settling down a few hundred kms from home.

Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: RedHand88 on January 27, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
It's a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 27, 2023, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 01:57:16 PM
He'd a big boost for them. I think Scotstown have the biggest catchment area in Monaghan, a bit like Kilmacud but on a smaller scale.
Really? I cycle it through  it fairly regularly and often wonder how they're a County superpower, it's a pretty small place, plus they've Monaghan Harps, Emyvale & Truagh on their doorstep - no doubt there's other clubs about I'm not aware of as well.

. The village is obviously small but a large parish.  An amalgamation of a couple of parishes.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: rodney trotter on January 27, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
They are the only club in Monaghan that has a second team also in the Junior Championship. And a strong 3rd team. They do not have a small pick..
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 06:03:25 PM
Well, if they win an All Ireland club they'll get dogs abuse
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Main Street on January 27, 2023, 08:40:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2023, 06:03:25 PM
Well, if they win an All Ireland club they'll get dogs abuse
First they would have to get past Ballybay.

Afaics Jack's transfer is sound and abides by the rules which good refs should respect ;D

Monaghan CCC are understood to have granted the transfer on the basis of a county by-law that allow members to join a club that they have an association with through parentage or guardianship.
McCarron's father Ray – an Ulster winner with Monaghan in 1985 and '88 – originally played for Scotstown, winning multiple senior championships with them through the 1980s and nineties.



Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: smort on January 27, 2023, 10:14:29 PM
Thought he was going to Errigal
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: The Subbie on January 28, 2023, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 27, 2023, 01:24:39 PM
Did Rorey Beggan join Scotstown from another club also??

No
Rory's father played for both Scotstown and Monaghan in the 80's and early 90's
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: straightred on January 28, 2023, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: smort on January 27, 2023, 10:14:29 PM
Thought he was going to Errigal
Think he lives near Errigal but is moving to Scotstown where is father is from. Dont see much wrong with that and its within the rules. They got very close to an Ulster a few years ago - he probably would have been enough to get them over the line back then
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: general_lee on January 28, 2023, 11:11:42 AM
So is he actually living in Tyrone? How many clubs does he drive past to get to Scotstown?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Tatler Jack on January 28, 2023, 02:16:33 PM
The proper name of the club I see is Currin Sons of Saint Patrick! Are their ladies team "Daughters of Saint Patrick" ? I also see it is a very old club going right back to the founding of the GAA.

Maybe the deep history does not cut any ice with Jack.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 28, 2023, 06:04:48 PM
I see he's down as his old club on the team sheet, if there a objection in about his transfer. I presume he still no issue with him playing for Monaghan?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Under Lights on January 28, 2023, 06:32:19 PM
Jacks current team are an absolute pub team, ringing around to round up a squad ahead of the championship, he has wasted his best years there
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 12:05:40 AM
*mccarron
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: clarshack on January 29, 2023, 12:29:52 AM
He must be 30+ now, it's not like he's leaving at 21 or 22 which would have been much worse for Currin. Gave his best years to his home club. It's obviously one last throw of the dice to win a senior club championship in Monaghan and maybe beyond.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 10:43:59 AM
Even if he did win a championship with Scotstown, what real joy would he experience winning it with players he didn't grow up with. I don't get this chasing championships for individual gain.
Look at The Clifford's and what it meant to them to win with your home club. As with Shane Walsh, he's going to become a pariah amongst his own people for the rest of his life....is that really worth a championship medal with a super club?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 10:43:59 AM
Even if he did win a championship with Scotstown, what real joy would he experience winning it with players he didn't grow up with. I don't get this chasing championships for individual gain.
Look at The Clifford's and what it meant to them to win with your home club. As with Shane Walsh, he's going to become a pariah amongst his own people for the rest of his life....is that really worth a championship medal with a super club?
Personally wouldn't mean anything to me, be different if you moved across the country snd actually were part of the new club/community.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: twohands!!! on January 29, 2023, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

I have an older relative who played intercounty years back and he was playing with a small rural team.
He was approached a couple of times by different clubs with a view to transferring (he was living away from his home place and the logistics would definitely have been easier for a good few years)
Almost 50 years later and it's still remembered by folk in his club that he stuck with them.
Been to games and other stuff with him over the years and it's noteable how often the older heads in the club have mentioned it to me.
Was at the opening of their new pitch a few years back and one old codger was going on about how he stuck with them when they "barely had a ball never mind a pitch"
He was their only senior intercounty for a good long period of years and you could see it was massive for the club that he had stuck with them.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 29, 2023, 11:40:56 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

I have an older relative who played intercounty years back and he was playing with a small rural team.
He was approached a couple of times by different clubs with a view to transferring (he was living away from his home place and the logistics would definitely have been easier for a good few years)
Almost 50 years later and it's still remembered by folk in his club that he stuck with them.
Been to games and other stuff with him over the years and it's noteable how often the older heads in the club have mentioned it to me.
Was at the opening of their new pitch a few years back and one old codger was going on about how he stuck with them when they "barely had a ball never mind a pitch"
He was their only senior intercounty for a good long period of years and you could see it was massive for the club that he had stuck with them.
Thats what the GAA is about.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: thewobbler on January 29, 2023, 01:55:02 PM
You're right in one way Armagh18.

But if a lad in his early thirties doesn't have an underlying emotional relationship with his club, then surely it shouldn't be forced upon him?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: JimStynes on January 29, 2023, 02:45:49 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

He's not wrong. It is the core of the GAA. 
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

Come on ....surely you have a more detailed opinion than that, let's hear it?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Main Street on January 29, 2023, 09:28:18 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

Come on ....surely you have a more detailed opinion than that, let's hear it?
.
It's blatantly obvious that it's not the sacrosanct core of the GAA to play for the team where you are from.
The criteria for transferring clubs is in the Monaghan bylaws, Those  bylaws have to be approved by Croke Park.  You could do research and examine the Dublin senior clubs and find out just how many of the players did not grow up in that immediate locality.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2023, 09:34:08 PM
Disgraceful behaviour.

He should have chosen the much more noble and acceptable option of managing Scotstown to the county championship for monetary reward.
Playing is different to managing. It's extremely difficult to get a club man to manage their own club!
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

Come on ....surely you have a more detailed opinion than that, let's hear it?

The GAA needs to move with the times. People will transfer clubs.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 08:48:19 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

Come on ....surely you have a more detailed opinion than that, let's hear it?

The GAA needs to move with the times. People will transfer clubs.
No it doesn't and they shouldn't unless they've genuinely moved too far away to travel home!
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 08:48:19 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

Come on ....surely you have a more detailed opinion than that, let's hear it?

The GAA needs to move with the times. People will transfer clubs.
No it doesn't and they shouldn't unless they've genuinely moved too far away to travel home!

The GAA doesn't need to move with the times? What a load of crap. We live in a different world now. People will transfer clubs and while some people may find this distasteful, indeed I would find it quite irritating, but it is a fact of life, people dont have the same attachment anymore, and the GAA needs to accept that.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Cavan19 on January 30, 2023, 09:41:06 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 08:48:19 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 08:04:42 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 29, 2023, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 29, 2023, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 28, 2023, 11:57:21 PM
An absolute disgrace. Hang your heads Scotstown and Mccarroll for instigating it. The absolute sacrosanct core of the GAA is that you play for the place you are from. If that disintegrates., it's a slippery slope.

Wise up

Come on ....surely you have a more detailed opinion than that, let's hear it?

The GAA needs to move with the times. People will transfer clubs.
No it doesn't and they shouldn't unless they've genuinely moved too far away to travel home!

The GAA doesn't need to move with the times? What a load of crap. We live in a different world now. People will transfer clubs and while some people may find this distasteful, indeed I would find it quite irritating, but it is a fact of life, people dont have the same attachment anymore, and the GAA needs to accept that.

It that's the road that thinks are heading there wont be a decent player left on any Junior side in the country.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on January 30, 2023, 10:04:44 AM
From reading through the thread, the impression I am getting is that other players don't seem to bother with the club, ie if they are having to round up players for championship as is being suggested, you can only imagine how many are turning up to train during the week or how many other are putting in the work to better the team. 

I would imagine if McCarron had the same attitude of turning up when it suited him to the club, the community would think he has some ego.  In the scenario he is turning up to games and they barely have 15, you can only imagine how discouraging this can be, especially over time, thinking things might change. 

Would anyone here accept low standards for the sake of saving face in the community?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 30, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2023, 09:34:08 PM
Disgraceful behaviour.

He should have chosen the much more noble and acceptable option of managing Scotstown to the county championship for monetary reward.
Playing is different to managing. It's extremely difficult to get a club man to manage their own club!
That's very true and I suppose we are just lucky that the stars align in such a way that the clubs who cannot afford to pay an outsider just so happen to be the ones who can find an internal candidate year after year after year.

You are also correct in saying that changing clubs as a player is different to changing clubs as a manager for financial reward.
I mean, a glaringly obvious difference is that one is against the rules of the association and the other one isn't.
Is there many clubs managed by a club man these days? Bar Cross I can't think of too many in Armagh. McConville at  St Pauls last year I think?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2023, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 30, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2023, 09:34:08 PM
Disgraceful behaviour.

He should have chosen the much more noble and acceptable option of managing Scotstown to the county championship for monetary reward.
Playing is different to managing. It's extremely difficult to get a club man to manage their own club!
That's very true and I suppose we are just lucky that the stars align in such a way that the clubs who cannot afford to pay an outsider just so happen to be the ones who can find an internal candidate year after year after year.

You are also correct in saying that changing clubs as a player is different to changing clubs as a manager for financial reward.
I mean, a glaringly obvious difference is that one is against the rules of the association and the other one isn't.
Is there many clubs managed by a club man these days? Bar Cross I can't think of too many in Armagh. McConville at  St Pauls last year I think?

We had an outsider once. Never again (if I have my way).
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: tonto1888 on January 30, 2023, 11:15:19 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 30, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2023, 09:34:08 PM
Disgraceful behaviour.

He should have chosen the much more noble and acceptable option of managing Scotstown to the county championship for monetary reward.
Playing is different to managing. It's extremely difficult to get a club man to manage their own club!
That's very true and I suppose we are just lucky that the stars align in such a way that the clubs who cannot afford to pay an outsider just so happen to be the ones who can find an internal candidate year after year after year.

You are also correct in saying that changing clubs as a player is different to changing clubs as a manager for financial reward.
I mean, a glaringly obvious difference is that one is against the rules of the association and the other one isn't.
Is there many clubs managed by a club man these days? Bar Cross I can't think of too many in Armagh. McConville at  St Pauls last year I think?

Clann Eireann
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2023, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 30, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2023, 09:34:08 PM
Disgraceful behaviour.

He should have chosen the much more noble and acceptable option of managing Scotstown to the county championship for monetary reward.
Playing is different to managing. It's extremely difficult to get a club man to manage their own club!
That's very true and I suppose we are just lucky that the stars align in such a way that the clubs who cannot afford to pay an outsider just so happen to be the ones who can find an internal candidate year after year after year.

You are also correct in saying that changing clubs as a player is different to changing clubs as a manager for financial reward.
I mean, a glaringly obvious difference is that one is against the rules of the association and the other one isn't.

He'll not see that though as a problem, we are though in a mess when looking for internal managers, some clubs will never look outside their own, some are lucky that they have the tools within their club to have progression from juvenile through to senior..

Players nowadays are always looking something extra, someone different, and that's why we have that circuit going on. Our biggest wins were with ex players, albeit one came to us from another club and played for 8/9 years but he wasn't an outsider as such.

That horse has bolted with regards ensuring clubs adhere to the rules
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 12:05:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 30, 2023, 12:01:23 PM
I get that. It's an accepted breach of the rules in the modern game.

Yet, on the other hand we have a proverbial pissing of pants at the thought of a player transferring club which is entirely legitimate in the rules of the GAA.

It takes some mental gymnastics to square that circle.

In next week's episode......"we couldn't get a free taker in the club so we bought one in."
I hate the idea of outsider managers coming in and would ban it if I could but the horse has bolted imo.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: general_lee on January 30, 2023, 12:16:25 PM
Nothing wrong with outside managers. Completely different to players.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Dreadnought on January 30, 2023, 12:25:23 PM
Seems to be a lot here who have no idea what it's like to have ties to more than one club. Fair enough if it's just the one for you, all the power to you, but many of us have one or both parents from somewhere else. You may have grown up going to club games for more than one club, some might go to more than one county. Very rich to assume you know what is in a fellas head about what means home to him when he has likely been between both their whole life.

For McCarron, his family is steeped in Scotstown, through his Dad and Grandfather. He's moving to live in the area by all accounts. This is as cut and dry a case as you'll see and is something we just need to deal with. It's ok for someone to have a tie to another club and move there. Just because you might not understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Never beat the deeler on January 30, 2023, 11:32:53 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2023, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 10:56:45 AM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 30, 2023, 10:40:59 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 29, 2023, 09:43:42 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2023, 09:34:08 PM
Disgraceful behaviour.

He should have chosen the much more noble and acceptable option of managing Scotstown to the county championship for monetary reward.
Playing is different to managing. It's extremely difficult to get a club man to manage their own club!
That's very true and I suppose we are just lucky that the stars align in such a way that the clubs who cannot afford to pay an outsider just so happen to be the ones who can find an internal candidate year after year after year.

You are also correct in saying that changing clubs as a player is different to changing clubs as a manager for financial reward.
I mean, a glaringly obvious difference is that one is against the rules of the association and the other one isn't.
Is there many clubs managed by a club man these days? Bar Cross I can't think of too many in Armagh. McConville at  St Pauls last year I think?

We had an outsider once. Never again (if I have my way).

Would ye not take DB after his stint down in Ratoath?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: shark on January 31, 2023, 08:50:19 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on January 30, 2023, 12:25:23 PM
Seems to be a lot here who have no idea what it's like to have ties to more than one club. Fair enough if it's just the one for you, all the power to you, but many of us have one or both parents from somewhere else. You may have grown up going to club games for more than one club, some might go to more than one county. Very rich to assume you know what is in a fellas head about what means home to him when he has likely been between both their whole life.

For McCarron, his family is steeped in Scotstown, through his Dad and Grandfather. He's moving to live in the area by all accounts. This is as cut and dry a case as you'll see and is something we just need to deal with. It's ok for someone to have a tie to another club and move there. Just because you might not understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong.

Yeah I can identify with this. I spent all my playing years with my home club, and never considered transferring, even though I lived in Dublin from 21.
However I have huge grá for my father's club, which are in a different province entirely. He brought me to many games as a kid , and they were (and still are) very successful. So a link and bond is created. I think I would have been very proud to have played for them. Any other club in the country , not so much.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
A nothing story.  Playing for club as father and grandfather played for. Close thread.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: seafoid on January 31, 2023, 03:48:57 PM
Were there any Nudie juniors ?
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: rodney trotter on January 31, 2023, 07:45:28 PM
Quote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
A nothing story.  Playing for club as father and grandfather played for. Close thread.

When a connection to the Club it should be a more smoother transfer, but McCarrons club Currin have objected to the transfer.

It wouldn't want to drag on like Eamon Fennell switching to St Vincents.

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/eamon-fennell-finally-allowed-to-switch-to-st-vincents-14823
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: redzone on January 31, 2023, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 31, 2023, 07:45:28 PM
Quote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
A nothing story.  Playing for club as father and grandfather played for. Close thread.

When a connection to the Club it should be a more smoother transfer, but McCarrons club Currin have objected to the transfer.

It wouldn't want to drag on like Eamon Fennell switching to St Vincents.

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/eamon-fennell-finally-allowed-to-switch-to-st-vincents-14823
That's a big shock there. Surely he discussed it with Currin before putting in the transfer. It should be noted that Currin are not a pub team as suggested by some clown earlier in the thread. They might be a junior team but were paying Colm Courtney ex Fermanagh player to train them. Didn't make much head way but they trained hard for a small club.
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2023, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 31, 2023, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 31, 2023, 07:45:28 PM
Quote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
A nothing story.  Playing for club as father and grandfather played for. Close thread.

When a connection to the Club it should be a more smoother transfer, but McCarrons club Currin have objected to the transfer.

It wouldn't want to drag on like Eamon Fennell switching to St Vincents.

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/eamon-fennell-finally-allowed-to-switch-to-st-vincents-14823
That's a big shock there. Surely he discussed it with Currin before putting in the transfer. It should be noted that Currin are not a pub team as suggested by some clown earlier in the thread. They might be a junior team but were paying Colm Courtney ex Fermanagh player to train them. Didn't make much head way but they trained hard for a small club.

I'm sure Colm Courtney ex Fermanagh player is glad of the endorsement   ;D
Title: Re: Jack McCarron
Post by: Cavan19 on February 01, 2023, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2023, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 31, 2023, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 31, 2023, 07:45:28 PM
Quote from: Ulster Frank on January 31, 2023, 03:39:20 PM
A nothing story.  Playing for club as father and grandfather played for. Close thread.

When a connection to the Club it should be a more smoother transfer, but McCarrons club Currin have objected to the transfer.

It wouldn't want to drag on like Eamon Fennell switching to St Vincents.

https://www.joe.ie/uncategorized/eamon-fennell-finally-allowed-to-switch-to-st-vincents-14823
That's a big shock there. Surely he discussed it with Currin before putting in the transfer. It should be noted that Currin are not a pub team as suggested by some clown earlier in the thread. They might be a junior team but were paying Colm Courtney ex Fermanagh player to train them. Didn't make much head way but they trained hard for a small club.

I'm sure Colm Courtney ex Fermanagh player is glad of the endorsement   ;D

Most clubs are paying managers these days even pub teams.