Joe Brolly

[Il Bomber Destro]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

[Milltown Row2]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Plant a bomb take responsibility... police kill an innocent persons take responsibility... Ive no problem in apportioning blame, it's a murky business but nobody knows who was in bed with who in this.. but don't be a dick a claim that the police are to blame for Omagh

[Il Bomber Destro]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Plant a bomb take responsibility... police kill an innocent persons take responsibility... Ive no problem in apportioning blame, it's a murky business but nobody knows who was in bed with who in this.. but don't be a dick a claim that the police are to blame for Omagh

So security forces not acting on intelligence that can prevent bombings and killings of innocent people is an irrelevance?

Dissident republicans are rejected by the majority of the nationalist community. I don't see anyone supporting their bombings here. You on the other hand want to censure any concerns about the security forces of this state failing the duty they are tasked with, the safety of its citizens.

The PSNI or RUC (as they were in their previous guise) are a state security force that are tasked with protecting the citizens of the state and what you seem to be telling us is that is perfectly ok for them to ignore or not act on intelligence that puts people lives at risk?

And you wonder why many nationalists have a problem supporting them?

[Owen Brannigan]

Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What about those who are there to prevent those from committing violence but fail in their duty to do so by either incompetence or for political capital? Why are you so intent on censoring that debate?

[Jim Bob]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

[Il Bomber Destro]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

Why are you cherry picking bombings now?

The Enniskillen bombing was wrong, of course it was.

But the security forces have failed in many cases over the years during the troubles and beyond to prevent bombings and losses of life they were capable of through incompetence of for political capital. Some people wish to suppress that discussion and it's very relevant when discussing nationalist's distrust of the PSNI and security forces.

[Jim Bob]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

Why are you cherry picking bombings now?

The Enniskillen bombing was wrong, of course it was.

But the security forces have failed in many cases over the years during the troubles and beyond to prevent bombings and losses of life they were capable of through incompetence of for political capital. Some people wish to suppress that discussion and it's very relevant when discussing nationalist's distrust of the PSNI and security forces.

One line on the bombers ........ and just to say it was 'wrong'. You d think they parked in a disabled parking slot.

[Owen Brannigan]

Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What about those who are there to prevent those from committing violence but fail in their duty to do so by either incompetence or for political capital? Why are you so intent on censoring that debate?

Not censoring anything, just not willing to enter a debate on how IRA/UVF/UDA killers can be excused of their actions in slaughtering so many innocent people during 30 years of conflict.  The same logic that would excuse members of security services of their killings because their colleagues failed to stop them through incompetence or for political capital. Or perhaps take it a step further to conclude that Peter Sutcliffe is excused of killing 13 women because the police in Yorkshire were incompetent or were wanting to make some other point by not stopping him.  Truly twisted.

[Milltown Row2]

So not the bomb maker and person/s who ordered it ? You're a strange being, I remember the Enniskillen bomb which blew up pensioners, they tried to claim that the police triggered the bomb early!

People believed that to, same people who believe in Santa, Toothfairy, and aliens

Again where did I say they don't bear responsibility? Of course they do.

On the other hand, you seem to be attempting to censure any comment about how security forces have failed to act on intelligence of attacks. Why shouldn't we discuss that? The nationalist community still has a lot of mistrust with the PSNI and security forces and there is very good reason for that, you seem to wish to censure that.

Could you outline in detail your abhorrence of the enniskillen bombing and what sentence you think,the bombers should have received if they had been caught?

Why are you cherry picking bombings now?

The Enniskillen bombing was wrong, of course it was.

But the security forces have failed in many cases over the years during the troubles and beyond to prevent bombings and losses of life they were capable of through incompetence of for political capital. Some people wish to suppress that discussion and it's very relevant when discussing nationalist's distrust of the PSNI and security forces.

Can just picture you now, in combat gear,  St Bridget's cross on wall, image of the fallen GPO with Connelly on a chair! Wolf tones on the radio and you smoking a pipe while reading the Republican news!

Look lad answer this one and for a change forget about the peelers MI5 and the rest, not one poster is saying that they were not involved in cover ups killings or anything else you think..

Do you think that the person/s who organised and planted the bomb in Omagh and Enniskillen killed them on their own ? Because if they hadn't have planted a bomb then the police wouldn't have (in your words) through incompetence and political gain contributed to the death of these innocent people?

If you try and justify it with that crap again then I'd say your as guilty as the ones that did it

[Il Bomber Destro]

Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What about those who are there to prevent those from committing violence but fail in their duty to do so by either incompetence or for political capital? Why are you so intent on censoring that debate?

Not censoring anything, just not willing to enter a debate on how IRA/UVF/UDA killers can be excused of their actions in slaughtering so many innocent people during 30 years of conflict.  The same logic that would excuse members of security services of their killings because their colleagues failed to stop them through incompetence or for political capital. Or perhaps take it a step further to conclude that Peter Sutcliffe is excused of killing 13 women because the police in Yorkshire were incompetent or were wanting to make some other point by not stopping him.  Truly twisted.

who is excusing them? As far as I'm aware nobody has defended the bombers here in relation to Peader Heffron but people have articulated why they could not support or may have objected to a person they knew joining the PSNI which were legitimate attitudes to have.

Legitimacy of bombers is a straw man argument in this discussion. Dissident republicans have little support in the wider nationalist community these days.

[BennyCake]

MR2, can you refrain from resorting to name calling and belittling posters who just don't happen to have the same opinion as you.

[Milltown Row2]

MR2, can you refrain from resorting to name calling and belittling posters who just don't happen to have the same opinion as you.

Seriously ? Wise up

[BennyCake]

MR2, can you refrain from resorting to name calling and belittling posters who just don't happen to have the same opinion as you.

Seriously ? Wise up

Yes, seriously.

[tonto1888]

Back to the thread.  Pointless wasting time on the brainwashed unable to accept that those committing violence carry the entire blame the consequences for their actions.  Perhaps it's the only way they can analyse away the futility of 30 years of conflict.

This week's sermon:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/joe-brolly/joe-brolly-we-do-things-differently-up-north-just-ask-henry-shefflin-36311180.html

In short, Slaughtneil brilliant, Creggan not so good, nobody can understand us in the North.

What was Ray McCartney in jail for?