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[Israel and its enablers are responsible for the 30k plus murders]

I'm happy to stand over my post, the initial attacks have given Israel the 'excuse' to obliterate Gazza, I've also said that they have done that for 70 plus years, but the attacks have been used to speed things up.

Do you think that since the time of the attacks so many people would have been murdered and Gazza flattened?
 

ofcourse you are happy to stand over them, you see resistence to an occupation as the issue and trigger and 'excuse' not the occupation, fixating on Oct.7.

The occupation is the cause and the resistence is a reaction to it. I hoped the US/UK/EU wouldn't support never mind arm a genocide, especially given how anti occupation they had become but they have let Israel murder with impunity

Not going down a rabbit hole here. My initial post at this particular time was point scoring with the rocket attack at the hospital and people will feel foolish!

You've avoided my question, not surprising. So I'm done with chasing it

even your question is framed to absolve Israel... if Hamas hadn't resisted the occupation than 30k plus wouldnt be dead... that's what you asking me...its Hamas fault that Israel is committing a genocide!!!.. 

Well I've answered, Israel and its enablers are responsible for the 30k plus murders, they are committing a genocide not Hamas, their occupation created the resistence, their ethic cleansing since the nakba has created the environment for the last 75 years.

I'm happy to stand over my post, the initial attacks have given Israel the 'excuse' to obliterate Gazza, I've also said that they have done that for 70 plus years, but the attacks have been used to speed things up.

Do you think that since the time of the attacks so many people would have been murdered and Gazza flattened?
 

ofcourse you are happy to stand over them, you see resistence to an occupation as the issue and trigger and 'excuse' not the occupation, fixating on Oct.7.

The occupation is the cause and the resistence is a reaction to it. I hoped the US/UK/EU wouldn't support never mind arm a genocide, especially given how anti occupation they had become but they have let Israel murder with impunity

[due]

I never want to see people absolving those who occupy and commit a genocide. Your words..

Remember if hamas never carried out that attack there would be a lot more people alive

It will be the ever extending death toll happening due to the initial attack by Hamas

[that's happening due to the initial attack by Hamas]

Remember the time some people came onto this thread and believed Israels story that Hamas's rocket struck that hospital in Gaza. You don't hear a lot from those posters now.

Seriously? Are you looking something from that post?

Remember if hamas never carried out that attack there would be a lot more people alive?

Nuts

Ah no, just the people who said that must feel very foolish now that Israel has pretty much levelled every hospital and school in the place and isn't even bothering to mention Hamas anymore.

Nothing foolish about 34000 lives lost. Very sad if you're looking some sort of response

When historians of the future look back at this grim period, surely a subplot will be how so many people believed the ridiculous lies of the main aggressor (Israel) and it wasn't until over 30k civilians were dead (almost half children) and the entire Gaza strip leveled and subjected to famine conditions that only then did some start to see the truth and realise the stories were lies. Of course some incapable of admitting they were wrong no matter how much evidence they see.

No one will look back at the GAA board and give a flying f**k about whether a rocket hit a hospital or not..

It will be the mass destruction of Gaza that people will care about.

It will be the ever extending death toll that's happening due to the initial attack by Hamas, this takes nothing away from the 70 plus years of continuous attacks by Israel in that region and current genocide that's happening.

You are talking out your hole by the way

if it takes nothing away, why make such a stupid statement.

Are you saying 30 plus thousand people would have been murdered in that period of time had the attacks not happened?

Saying people will feel stupid because they questioned whether a rocket hit a hospital from either group is a stupid post.

My post is purely highlighting a daft post

I am saying 30k plus wouldnt have been murdered if Israel didn't occupy Palestine for 75 years plus.  Blaming and the framing of Hamas being responsible for 30k plus murders because they resisted an occupation is a stupid and ignorant statement,  aimed at absolving Israel and the west for their genocide. 

I'm absolving no one. They are your words.

I simply said that since the attacks over 30 thousand (and rising) deaths have happened and Gaza has been flattened with further refugees on top of refugees have been displaced

What Isreal have done is inexcusable and murder/genocide, hamas attack has allowed Israel the opportunity to do it quicker

Again I don't know anyone who's saying different.

But point scoring on who rocketed a hospital is all I'm talking about.

The bit I have in bold and your initial response shows exactly how I've summarised it, you absolving the occupier.

[that's happening due to the initial attack by Hamas]

Remember the time some people came onto this thread and believed Israels story that Hamas's rocket struck that hospital in Gaza. You don't hear a lot from those posters now.

Seriously? Are you looking something from that post?

Remember if hamas never carried out that attack there would be a lot more people alive?

Nuts

Ah no, just the people who said that must feel very foolish now that Israel has pretty much levelled every hospital and school in the place and isn't even bothering to mention Hamas anymore.

Nothing foolish about 34000 lives lost. Very sad if you're looking some sort of response

When historians of the future look back at this grim period, surely a subplot will be how so many people believed the ridiculous lies of the main aggressor (Israel) and it wasn't until over 30k civilians were dead (almost half children) and the entire Gaza strip leveled and subjected to famine conditions that only then did some start to see the truth and realise the stories were lies. Of course some incapable of admitting they were wrong no matter how much evidence they see.

No one will look back at the GAA board and give a flying f**k about whether a rocket hit a hospital or not..

It will be the mass destruction of Gaza that people will care about.

It will be the ever extending death toll that's happening due to the initial attack by Hamas, this takes nothing away from the 70 plus years of continuous attacks by Israel in that region and current genocide that's happening.

You are talking out your hole by the way

if it takes nothing away, why make such a stupid statement.

Are you saying 30 plus thousand people would have been murdered in that period of time had the attacks not happened?

Saying people will feel stupid because they questioned whether a rocket hit a hospital from either group is a stupid post.

My post is purely highlighting a daft post

I am saying 30k plus wouldnt have been murdered if Israel didn't occupy Palestine for 75 years plus.  Blaming and the framing of Hamas being responsible for 30k plus murders because they resisted an occupation is a stupid and ignorant statement,  aimed at absolving Israel and the west for their genocide. 

[that's happening due to the initial attack by Hamas]

Remember the time some people came onto this thread and believed Israels story that Hamas's rocket struck that hospital in Gaza. You don't hear a lot from those posters now.

Seriously? Are you looking something from that post?

Remember if hamas never carried out that attack there would be a lot more people alive?

Nuts

Ah no, just the people who said that must feel very foolish now that Israel has pretty much levelled every hospital and school in the place and isn't even bothering to mention Hamas anymore.

Nothing foolish about 34000 lives lost. Very sad if you're looking some sort of response

When historians of the future look back at this grim period, surely a subplot will be how so many people believed the ridiculous lies of the main aggressor (Israel) and it wasn't until over 30k civilians were dead (almost half children) and the entire Gaza strip leveled and subjected to famine conditions that only then did some start to see the truth and realise the stories were lies. Of course some incapable of admitting they were wrong no matter how much evidence they see.

No one will look back at the GAA board and give a flying f**k about whether a rocket hit a hospital or not..

It will be the mass destruction of Gaza that people will care about.

It will be the ever extending death toll that's happening due to the initial attack by Hamas, this takes nothing away from the 70 plus years of continuous attacks by Israel in that region and current genocide that's happening.

You are talking out your hole by the way

if it takes nothing away, why make such a stupid statement.

[to some level]

That's not "in government in Spain". That's like saying the TUV has been in government in Belfast because it's had a couple of councillors.

to some level have or had recent far right parties in government.

I structured the sentence poorly but what I meant by adding 'to some level' was to allow for the inclusion in the list of the likes of Spain. And again I used the word 'recent' as Vox did poorly in the last elections compared to how they fared 2018/19/20

As for Nazis in Ukraine, they have been Nazis there a long time, thousands of Jews murdered in Ww2 in Ukraine. those who committed those murders have been celebrated in recent years. To claim there is no Nazis and it is kremlin dung is wrong. There are Nazis probably in every country, eastern europe/russia appear to have a higher %. that doesnt make it a credible justification,

Of course there are Nazis in every country, but elections show that there are few in most places, including Ukraine. You cannot invade a place on the basis that there might be one Nazi there.

no one invaded anyone for one Nazi.

Netherlands, Poland, Swiss, Serbia, Hungary, Finland, Italy, Sweden, Spain, Israel all to some level have or had recent far right parties in government. There is a shift to the right across Europe.

Since its transition to democracy, which far right party has been in government in Spain?

Vox party at regional government level.

As for Nazis in Ukraine, they have been Nazis there a long time, thousands of Jews murdered in Ww2 in Ukraine. those who committed those murders have been celebrated in recent years. To claim there is no Nazis and it is kremlin dung is wrong. There are Nazis probably in every country, eastern europe/russia appear to have a higher %. that doesnt make it a credible justification,

Of course there are Nazis in every country, but elections show that there are few in most places, including Ukraine. You cannot invade a place on the basis that there might be one Nazi there.

no one invaded anyone for one Nazi.

Netherlands, Poland, Swiss, Serbia, Hungary, Finland, Italy, Sweden, Spain, Israel all to some level have or had recent far right parties in government. There is a shift to the right across Europe.

[that the whole western world doesn't believe a word they say.]

I think other countries are/have an equal ability at lying and propaganda and actually think they are better at it than the Russians. Russian propaganda seems very ineffective in that the whole western world doesn't believe a word they say.

Having a Jewish president doesn't mean there isn't Nazis, look at Israeli actions. there is plenty of evidence of Nazis in Ukraine, the avoz battalion, plenty of articles from 2014 about them. to be clear that doesn't justify anything Russia has done but I know questioning anything on this topic other than war is great, ans more weapons for ukraine, gets labeled as kremlin spiel.

No, not the whole world
How many Kremlin sourced narratives are out there around the war against Ukraine?
I´ve lost count, even the useful idiots can't keep up with the Kremlin's ability to shift, many of them in the west are still on about NATO expansiveness as being the cause when even Putin doesn't talk about that one any longer to the West, perhaps humiliated by the NATO membership of Finland and Sweden and the Kremlin ability re their threats, reduced to the level of a barking dog.
The point of all those Kremlin narratives is that each one gains traction among some group or other,
like your self and others falling for this baloney canard.

"there is plenty of evidence of Nazis in Ukraine, the Azov battalion, plenty of articles from 2014 about them. to be clear that doesn't justify anything Russia"

The Azov battalion with nazi symbols existed in 2014, a small faction in the UKR army and now does not exist in any shape or form as a far right battalion. The far right political parties did not gain any seats in the free and fair 2014 onward elections after the ousting of the pro Russian  government.
Nazis in Ukraine!!!  what a load of Kremlin dung.
As for yourself 

shifting goalposts MS. I asked a question, you felt it inane but since asking the question you have ranted about all sorts of stuff which I haven't raised or is relevant and fire out labels like useful idiot and kremlin spiel.

yes, not the whole world. Russians have a very different viewpoint and some African countries/South American and Asia countries have too. 

the justification russia provides for the  invasion of Ukraine don't matter , it should never have happened and once it did all efforts needed to be made to end the occupation, I think through peaceful means not more war... 2 years later and thousands dead is still not enough for some who want more war...

As for Nazis in Ukraine, they have been Nazis there a long time, thousands of Jews murdered in Ww2 in Ukraine. those who committed those murders have been celebrated in recent years. To claim there is no Nazis and it is kremlin dung is wrong. There are Nazis probably in every country, eastern europe/russia appear to have a higher %. that doesnt make it a credible justification,

Svoboda party

I think other countries are/have an equal ability at lying and propaganda and actually think they are better at it than the Russians. Russian propaganda seems very ineffective in that the whole western world doesn't believe a word they say.

Having a Jewish president doesn't mean there isn't Nazis, look at Israeli actions. there is plenty of evidence of Nazis in Ukraine, the avoz battalion, plenty of articles from 2014 about them. to be clear that doesn't justify anything Russia has done but I know questioning anything on this topic other than war is great, ans more weapons for ukraine, gets labeled as kremlin spiel.

AMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.

Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question

What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.

I have a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.

Whatabout whatabout, same old Kremlin spiel, you're a terrorist state therefore don't comment on our 100 year reign of terror inside Russia and inside the previously occupied nations of eastern Europe.

Why don't you just apply same level of scrutiny to Russia's imperialism as you do to US war mongering The USA & UK lied through their backsides about Iraq,  who's disputing that? What's your point, that Russia can therefore invade Ukraine and attempt to destroy a sovereign nation because that's the way of the world?
Russia is a mafia mob sadistic terrorist state, there is no communist party anymore the KGB have taken over total control.

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you are putting loads of words in my mouth there... nowhere have I even hinted at anything you suggested.

It was two simple questions. Still not answered if you have ISIS as more reliable than Russia for information.

As people continually say Russia don't need a reason to carry out the attacks it does, its just an evil terrorist state, kgb run, sadistic mob etc. yet then there is speculation on false flags etc. and they are trying to create a narrative for something..

I hold them all to the same standard or try to but that isn't the same for those countries that can prevent a genocide for example, they chose to actively support it.

AMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.

Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question

What is your question? The Kremlin lies about everything, all of the time since inception.I offered a link to what AMAQ reported who have a reliable record of being accurate re ISIS stuff. I inserted "(allegedly)", perhaps you do not understand what alleged means?
Russia is a terrorist state.

I have a couple of questions now. One, is ISIS a more reliable news source than Russia in your opinion?

Russia is a terrorist state, what is ISIS? Israel? America, US, UK, etc.

AMAQ news (traditionally linked to ISIS) report on claims that the 4 man unit are very much alive.
The four people who killed over 170 Russians yesterday in a shopping mall in Moscow are doing fine.

While Russians show fake arrests near the border with Ukraine, the (allegedly) real commando is already thinking about the next target.

Main Street in terms of providing  reliable information you have ISIS above Russia? No judgement, just a genuine question

EG the return of previously (at least 2x) banned poster...

Not much concern shown for the 100 plus innocent victims. Are there calls from international leaders to wait for an internal investigation to determine the outcome or is that reserved for one state only.