Sam Maguire permutations

Started by seafoid, April 11, 2023, 09:40:18 PM

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Cavan19

Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2023, 10:26:20 AM
Rte say they can't show them all, every game in the women's World Cup will be shown live this summer.
Look at their press release last October 24th. Right at the business end of the hurling and football year.
I doubt RTE will have multiple cameras at the women's World Cup games.

RedHand88

Quote from: Cavan19 on May 09, 2023, 10:34:02 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2023, 10:26:20 AM
Rte say they can't show them all, every game in the women's World Cup will be shown live this summer.
Look at their press release last October 24th. Right at the business end of the hurling and football year.
I doubt RTE will have multiple cameras at the women's World Cup games.

Not even one. They'll be using the international feed. People think RTE just have to throw a camera into the boot and away they go.

giveballaghback

There were cameras at both those hurling games, could/should have been shown live, this is one PR battle that gaa/Rte will not win.

thewobbler

Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
There were cameras at both those hurling games, could/should have been shown live, this is one PR battle that gaa/Rte will not win.

It's not a PR battle. It's a logistics battle involving two sports running their premier competitions in tandem and RTE having a bigger purpose than wall to wall sport all weekend

Armagh18

Quote from: thewobbler on May 09, 2023, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
There were cameras at both those hurling games, could/should have been shown live, this is one PR battle that gaa/Rte will not win.

It's not a PR battle. It's a logistics battle involving two sports running their premier competitions in tandem and RTE having a bigger purpose than wall to wall sport all weekend
How difficult would it be to have a dedicated gaa channel with red button access to all games? Have the bigger ones on the main channel.

The appetite is there surely

RedHand88

Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 09:11:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 09, 2023, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
There were cameras at both those hurling games, could/should have been shown live, this is one PR battle that gaa/Rte will not win.

It's not a PR battle. It's a logistics battle involving two sports running their premier competitions in tandem and RTE having a bigger purpose than wall to wall sport all weekend
How difficult would it be to have a dedicated gaa channel with red button access to all games? Have the bigger ones on the main channel.

The appetite is there surely

Would you be willing to pay for it on a subscription basis?

seafoid

Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2023, 09:19:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 09:11:25 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 09, 2023, 08:14:01 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 09, 2023, 07:54:29 PM
There were cameras at both those hurling games, could/should have been shown live, this is one PR battle that gaa/Rte will not win.

It's not a PR battle. It's a logistics battle involving two sports running their premier competitions in tandem and RTE having a bigger purpose than wall to wall sport all weekend
How difficult would it be to have a dedicated gaa channel with red button access to all games? Have the bigger ones on the main channel.

The appetite is there surely

Would you be willing to pay for it on a subscription basis?
Irish Times

"over the course of the calendar year the national broadcaster will televise 69 live games across the four Gaelic games codes compared to 40 in 2018."

And GAAGO will have more

In 2018 everyone was used to watching the games on RTE. SKY was a minority pursuit. Now there are far more games. People don't want to pay for them.
It's understandable.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

onefineday

Quote from: naka on May 09, 2023, 08:27:06 AM
It's a justifiable criticism regarding the screening of games given the amount of league games we were shown earlier on in the season.
Sundays offering on tv was awful given that we all knew how each game would play out.
Definitely think we could have to revisit this compact  season ( even push it til 3rd week in August ) given that nearly every club league in the country has started  already and genuinely the sheer price of going to these games.
Most teams will have up 5 games between may and beginning of July, that's some amount of money heading out of a house each week .
I'm not a fan of the split season, the condensed nature is going to lead to these sorts of problems and I believe will have hugely detrimental effects on the growth and popularity of gaa games into the future.
However, it looks like it'll remain for a few more years (until the gaa start to feel it in the pocket anyway). So why don't we tweak it a little.
Intercounty hurling isn't well suited to the weather conditions prevalent before April (football either, but at least it's somewhat watchable), so why don't we have a football season starting in January as presently happens, run until the end of July, intercounty hurling can commence with the much maligned league in April and carry on into end of August/early September.  That would give the gaa a much broader window and alleviate many of the issues this concentrated schedule is bringing on.
August could see the quarters, semis and finals of the hurling.
July would have the business end of the round robin, provincial hurling finals and football semi-finals and final.
June would see hurling league finals, early round robin games and football round robin, preliminary quarters and quarters.

Would there be much impact on club hurling? Very limited impact imo, past experience indicates not much club championship action taking place in August and of course, there would only be 4 counties still involved past the first weekend of August.
As things stand, we're going to have most intercounty hurling finished in the next fortnight. Given how the top teams treated the league, that will see probably Waterford and (hopefully) Limerick to make but a few have seasons of about 7 weeks in length. Hardly logical from a promotional p.o.v.

Blowitupref

€25 General admission for each group stage match.  Season tickets will work out better value this year than previous years?
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

seafoid

Quote from: onefineday on May 10, 2023, 01:19:09 AM
Quote from: naka on May 09, 2023, 08:27:06 AM
It's a justifiable criticism regarding the screening of games given the amount of league games we were shown earlier on in the season.
Sundays offering on tv was awful given that we all knew how each game would play out.
Definitely think we could have to revisit this compact  season ( even push it til 3rd week in August ) given that nearly every club league in the country has started  already and genuinely the sheer price of going to these games.
Most teams will have up 5 games between may and beginning of July, that's some amount of money heading out of a house each week .
I'm not a fan of the split season, the condensed nature is going to lead to these sorts of problems and I believe will have hugely detrimental effects on the growth and popularity of gaa games into the future.
However, it looks like it'll remain for a few more years (until the gaa start to feel it in the pocket anyway). So why don't we tweak it a little.
Intercounty hurling isn't well suited to the weather conditions prevalent before April (football either, but at least it's somewhat watchable), so why don't we have a football season starting in January as presently happens, run until the end of July, intercounty hurling can commence with the much maligned league in April and carry on into end of August/early September.  That would give the gaa a much broader window and alleviate many of the issues this concentrated schedule is bringing on.
August could see the quarters, semis and finals of the hurling.
July would have the business end of the round robin, provincial hurling finals and football semi-finals and final.
June would see hurling league finals, early round robin games and football round robin, preliminary quarters and quarters.

Would there be much impact on club hurling? Very limited impact imo, past experience indicates not much club championship action taking place in August and of course, there would only be 4 counties still involved past the first weekend of August.
As things stand, we're going to have most intercounty hurling finished in the next fortnight. Given how the top teams treated the league, that will see probably Waterford and (hopefully) Limerick to make but a few have seasons of about 7 weeks in length. Hardly logical from a promotional p.o.v.
It's not necessarily the split season per se but the extra load of matches on top with the running of football and hurling simultaneously and the Sky pullout.
The GAA didn't think things through.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
€25 General admission for each group stage match.  Season tickets will work out better value this year than previous years?
Are they bringing back the €5 reduction for ST holders? Or giving us a 3 game package?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

armaghniac

Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
€25 General admission for each group stage match.  Season tickets will work out better value this year than previous years?
Are they bringing back the €5 reduction for ST holders? Or giving us a 3 game package?

Probably neither of these things.
However, some of these games will be tight for tickets. For instance, either Derry or Armagh is going to end up playing Tyrone and that game will be tight for tickets.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Blowitupref

Quote from: armaghniac on May 10, 2023, 04:16:33 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 10, 2023, 04:13:17 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2023, 03:38:27 PM
€25 General admission for each group stage match.  Season tickets will work out better value this year than previous years?
Are they bringing back the €5 reduction for ST holders? Or giving us a 3 game package?

Probably neither of these things.
However, some of these games will be tight for tickets. For instance, either Derry or Armagh is going to end up playing Tyrone and that game will be tight for tickets.

Tighter than the Ulster final. As i said on the other thread these group matches will be unreserved ticketing which will lessen the capacity of venues.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose


onefineday

Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 03:59:25 PM
It's not necessarily the split season per se but the extra load of matches on top with the running of football and hurling simultaneously and the Sky pullout.
The GAA didn't think things through.
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That's why I suggest tweaking the system and giving August to hurling, lessens the load for media and to use a phrase we're more familiar with from other walks of life, it would flatten the curve for the media and allow potentially much larger audiences to enjoy the games. Broadcasters would have more interest in the packages and rights revenue (and probably gate revenues) would increase. Win win for all.