I'm hoping for the best for the Dubs tonight in Croke Park. Cork seem to be getting their act together again so we'll see how far they've progressed.
The two counties haven't met much in recent years but there's a great history of rivalry between them with All Ireland semifinal meetings in 1974 (which included a cracking goal from the great Anton O'Toole), 1983 (with the memorable replay in Pairc Ui Chaoimh), 1989 (a win for Cork after Keith Barr had been sent to the line), 1995 (with an early goal from nineteen year old Jason Sherlock), 2010 (a one point win for Cork after Dublin had led by five coming into the final quarter).
COYBIB
Cork have their confidence back. They won't fear Dublin.
The last championship meeting between the two Cork were considered All Ireland contender while Dublin had won just 2 senior All Ireland titles in 30 years. Changed times...
Cork will need goals to get near Dublin, and I think they'll get 3 or 4 of them. Dublin will probably still win though.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 13, 2019, 01:50:17 PM
The last championship meeting between the two Cork were considered All Ireland contender while Dublin had won just 2 senior All Ireland titles in 30 years. Changed times...
They have played in a 1/4 final more recently than 2010.
Dublin are 1/33 to win this game! Hardly worth opening a thread about it!
Attendance looks....sparse.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Attendance looks....sparse.
Dublin fans are saving their money for the 5, 6 and 7 in a row finals! Brolly looking for the Hurling to save face with a double header.
Brolly even can't be bothered to put on a shirt and tie!
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Attendance looks....sparse.
Dublin fans are saving their money for the 5, 6 and 7 in a row finals! Brolly looking for the Hurling to save face with a double header.
Usually feel Brolly talks rubbish but he has a point with regards to the cork supporters being dragged to Dublin 2 days in a row, especially this evening for the footballers, a double header would have worked well I think
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Attendance looks....sparse.
Dublin fans are saving their money for the 5, 6 and 7 in a row finals! Brolly looking for the Hurling to save face with a double header.
Usually feel Brolly talks rubbish but he has a point with regards to the cork supporters being dragged to Dublin 2 days in a row, especially this evening for the footballers, a double header would have worked well I think
+1
I'm abroad and have been for a couple of weeks. Anyone know the story re the Dubs jersey ?
Quote from: themac_23 on July 13, 2019, 06:53:15 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Attendance looks....sparse.
Dublin fans are saving their money for the 5, 6 and 7 in a row finals! Brolly looking for the Hurling to save face with a double header.
Usually feel Brolly talks rubbish but he has a point with regards to the cork supporters being dragged to Dublin 2 days in a row, especially this evening for the footballers, a double header would have worked well I think
Brolly is just brown nosing! He will never ever mention Dublin's financial doping. True Cork fans should have been sorted out. But you can only sell a corporate box once for one days event. This way two boxes are sold also the gain of cork supporters would be very minuscule compared to the gains from TV rights.
Hup the rebels
Jaysus
Still won't win but fair play.
Some start. Gough a joke giving that pen before the umpire told him no.
Fair play to him for turning it round though.
No sweepers my arse. Dublin have multiple.
Aaand game over.
Well that was fun for ten minutes.
Gwan the Jack Flash
Kilkenny is some player.
The two bounces rule obviously doesn't apply to Dublin
Quote from: Jayop on July 13, 2019, 07:15:36 PM
Kilkenny is some player.
McCaffrey their best imo.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 07:16:06 PM
The two bounces rule obviously doesn't apply to Dublin
And again
Still a great player though...
The man marking Howard needs changed.
Tyrone v Cork next week to see who tops the group :P
After their great start, just insane letting Dublin have their own kick outs. We won't keep giving it away. They've made it easy for Dublin to work our way back into the game
What's up with Rock on the bench again?
Greedy boy Hurley
Has MDMA ever kicked a football? Not a criticism of him, very good player at what he does and obviously a basketball player, but I actually can't remember seeing him kick the ball.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
What's up with Rock on the bench again?
Methinks this will be last day Costello has his jersey
Quote from: Jayop on July 13, 2019, 07:30:23 PM
Greedy boy Hurley
O'Sullivan's excellent defending/positioning took out the pass option. Allowed him to shoot knowing Cluxton would be tough enough to beat from that angle. Maybe 50/50. Whereas if Cian went to Hurley, the pass inside would have been easy and 90% chance of goal
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 07:31:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
What's up with Rock on the bench again?
Methinks this will be last day Costello has his jersey
Having a bit of a mare alright.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
Has MDMA ever kicked a football? Not a criticism of him, very good player at what he does and obviously a basketball player, but I actually can't remember seeing him kick the ball.
He must've heard you
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
Has MDMA ever kicked a football? Not a criticism of him, very good player at what he does and obviously a basketball player, but I actually can't remember seeing him kick the ball.
Maybe go to the other thread and ask the morons who go on about the games development funding making Dublin senior footballers the best in the land. I'm sure they have an answer (although it will be nonsense).
He does kick it the odd time ;)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
Has MDMA ever kicked a football? Not a criticism of him, very good player at what he does and obviously a basketball player, but I actually can't remember seeing him kick the ball.
Nice slam dunk into the net there.
Back to the fisting for MDMA
(Cue the rude jokes)
Cork don't deserve to be 6 down here.
Slam Dunk!
Looking at the replay from behind the goals, the Cork midfielder was poor in not matching MDMA's run
Good game. The younger Dub players look quite ordinary when out under pressure. McCaffrey and Fenton class acts.
Cork are going full Mayo on it; even down to finding unusual ways to hand momentum back to the Dubs.
I expect cork will close the gap in the second half before Rock and McMenamin come in and close it out to double figures.
It's a shame there is only 30k at it to see the greate8GAA side in history. Why is their neutral game going to be played in HQ?
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 06:57:28 PM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2019, 06:48:21 PM
Attendance looks....sparse.
Dublin fans are saving their money for the 5, 6 and 7 in a row finals! Brolly looking for the Hurling to save face with a double header.
Usually feel Brolly talks rubbish but he has a point with regards to the cork supporters being dragged to Dublin 2 days in a row, especially this evening for the footballers, a double header would have worked well I think
+1
I'm abroad and have been for a couple of weeks. Anyone know the story re the Dubs jersey ?
Dubs jersies sponsor are a charity dubpin are associated with. Raffling/auctioning them for the charity next week
Quote from: intoDwest on July 13, 2019, 07:47:35 PM
It's a shame there is only 30k at it to see the greate8GAA side in history. Why is their neutral game going to be played in HQ?
Because it's not a neutral game, it's a croke park game.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
Quote from: intoDwest on July 13, 2019, 07:47:35 PM
It's a shame there is only 30k at it to see the greate8GAA side in history. Why is their neutral game going to be played in HQ?
Because it's not a neutral game, it's a croke park game.
Asking any other questions on this issue can be seen as
mean spirited and divisive.
Imo this is a non issue that people like to whinge about an awful lot
Quote from: thewobbler on July 13, 2019, 07:41:27 PM
Good game. The younger Dub players look quite ordinary when out under pressure. McCaffrey and Fenton class acts.
Don't think it's as simple as old v young. Con and Howard both very good. Although Costello, Mannion, Scully all quiet. Kilkenny disappointing for me.
Dublin defenders are great at defending as a unit, but always susceptible 1 on 1. Cooper is missed as he's our best. Not often opposition have enough ambition to create many 1 on 1s.
Feck sake Mick, play yourself onto the team and then give Gavin a chance to drop you again.
There you go. Pen direct result of not giving Dubs their own kick out
(Even if decision a bit harsh)
Great pen. Great attitude.
This outside the 20m rule is ridiculous imo. If the player isn't receiving the ball it shouldn't matter. What
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 08:05:29 PM
There you go. Pen direct result of not giving Dubs their own kick out
(Even if decision a bit harsh)
Absolute stonewall penalty and yellow card correct as well. The dub players indignantly protesting as if they had been framed for murdering Bambi.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 08:12:58 PM
This outside the 20m rule is ridiculous imo. If the player isn't receiving the ball it shouldn't matter. What
Absolutely, if the players aren't interfering and do get out, it should be play on. A nonsense technical foul rule.
Score would have been a lot different at half time had Cork played this way on Dublin kick outs in the first half.
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 13, 2019, 08:12:58 PM
This outside the 20m rule is ridiculous imo. If the player isn't receiving the ball it shouldn't matter. What
Absolutely, if the players aren't interfering and do get out, it should be play on. A nonsense technical foul rule.
When was this brought in? I can't remember ever seeing it but I've seen it several times today
Atta boy Clucko.
Dubs needs some subs. Jim a bit slow today. Too many options to take off maybe!
Was looking at Cork at 150/1 outright but couldn't get it on as I was out of the country, hope I don't live to rue that!
The Cork goalie was adjudged to have made an amazing save from a point blank shot, which just happened to hit his arse as he turned his back.
Quote from: Main Street on July 13, 2019, 08:13:38 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 08:05:29 PM
There you go. Pen direct result of not giving Dubs their own kick out
(Even if decision a bit harsh)
Absolute stonewall penalty and yellow card correct as well. The dub players indignantly protesting as if they had been framed for murdering Bambi.
I thought they maybe should have had 2. Just a shove by the full back on the number 7 when he had his goal chance.
Dubs defensive wall one of the key differences imo. Better team too obviously but they funnel so many back cork can't get it hear Hurley.
Gough very good at picking up on the off the ball stuff
Quote from: Main Street on July 13, 2019, 08:20:10 PM
The Cork goalie was adjudged to have made an amazing save from a point blank shot, which just happened to hit his arse as he turned his back.
Yeah. He actually made himself as small as possible and was very lucky it was a relatively poor attempt from Small
Boom!
Keeper hasn't a clue. Presumably an outfield player with his club.
Feck sake.
Fair play to cork though. Really going at them. They'll be hard to beat.
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 08:24:15 PM
Boom!
Keeper hasn't a clue. Presumably an outfield player with his club.
Kicking the ball to the opposition isn't good either way.
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 08:24:15 PM
Boom!
Keeper hasn't a clue. Presumably an outfield player with his club.
I was just about to say his kick outs have been very good!
Quote from: Hound on July 13, 2019, 08:23:27 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 13, 2019, 08:20:10 PM
The Cork goalie was adjudged to have made an amazing save from a point blank shot, which just happened to hit his arse as he turned his back.
Yeah. He actually made himself as small as possible and was very lucky it was a relatively poor attempt from Small
If he had manned up and faced the ball, there was a good chance his crown jewels would have been blasted out over the stands.
Poor Cork. Dubs looked fairly mortal until the professional conditioning kicked in around the 60 minute mark.
Stop, stop, they're already dead...
No one has a hope of beating the dubs do they?
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2019, 08:38:11 PM
No one has a hope of beating the dubs do they?
Donegal will take Dublin out.
I wouldn't have thought so unfortunately :(
I'll stick my neck out now. There'll be no 5 in a row.
Rte not good with the minus number arithmetic for the table there. +13 greater than +4 but also -13 greater than -4...
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
I'll stick my neck out now. There'll be no 5 in a row.
I'll Second this.
First job of the opposition in training before they play Dublin is to line the whole panel on the end line and have them run to the opposition 45, whoever is the fastest gets to track McCaffrey.
That game really highlighted how Dublin's fitness means they'll pull away from teams in the end. Professionals against amateurs. Roscommon might live with them for 55 minutes next week, but in the end we all know what's going to happen. Cork running at Tyrone could be very interesting.
I'd say form the better bunker better half should be careful as they will be receiving of bucket of hot water with all that rage. Wait till Kerry hammer mayo she will lose plot altogether 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
I'll stick my neck out now. There'll be no 5 in a row.
This was no do or die knock out game!
Dublin were matched if not bettered for most of the first 55 minutes.
They still won by 13 points.
Over all, I'm happy that Dublin keep on winning. A flukey Cork win is the last thing Gaelic football needs.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 13, 2019, 08:45:03 PM
That game really highlighted how Dublin's fitness means they'll pull away from teams in the end. Professionals against amateurs. Roscommon might live with them for 55 minutes next week, but in the end we all know what's going to happen. Cork running at Tyrone could be very interesting.
Tyrone v Cork isnt the formality it was going to be.
That game changes everything. Tyrone cork massive now.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
I'll stick my neck out now. There'll be no 5 in a row.
This was no do or die knock out game!
Dublin were matched if not bettered for most of the first 55 minutes.
They still won by 13 points.
Over all, I'm happy that Dublin keep on winning. A flukey Cork win is the last thing Gaelic football needs.
That poor kickout killed the game. There was maybe only 4 or 5 in it at that stage. 13 flattered Dublin
Quote from: Maiden1 on July 13, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
First job of the opposition in training before they play Dublin is to line the whole panel on the end line and have them run to the opposition 45, whoever is the fastest gets to track McCaffrey.
I would make sure I came last
Cork will be in tier 2 anyway.
TBH Tyrone v Cork keeps this group alive
Quote from: didlyi on July 13, 2019, 09:12:16 PM
TBH Tyrone v Cork keeps this group alive
That will be the game to decide 2nd. The other games will be dead rubbers!
Well at least the Rossies get them at a neutral venue. Poor Cork had to face Dublin at home.
Quote from: Sportacus on July 13, 2019, 08:45:03 PM
That game really highlighted how Dublin's fitness means they'll pull away from teams in the end. Professionals against amateurs. Roscommon might live with them for 55 minutes next week, but in the end we all know what's going to happen. Cork running at Tyrone could be very interesting.
But of course Dublin aren't professional or anything like it, given that all their players work full time jobs
They work harder in training than almost all other teams, and that's a simple fact - Ray Boyne was entirely correct in what he said after the Leinster final
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
I'll stick my neck out now. There'll be no 5 in a row.
This was no do or die knock out game!
Dublin were matched if not bettered for most of the first 55 minutes.
They still won by 13 points.
Over all, I'm happy that Dublin keep on winning. A flukey Cork win is the last thing Gaelic football needs.
Thanks for your support. Your back must be in bits carrying around that chip on your shoulder.
At least Cork had a go tonight. That's the only way to beat Dublin. Scoreline wasnt a true reflection of the game and Hurley is a baller Dubs struggled to mark him all night.. Never seen Dublin struggle so much around midfield and McCarthy was badly missed.
Rock will start next week. Costello struggled and missed his frees. Getting Cooper back is important as well. Beat Roscommon and Tyrone game in Omagh is a dead rubber.
Will Mickey shorten the pitch again?? The last time he did it he refused to take the credit and tried to give the credit to sky sports
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Quote from: From the Bunker on July 13, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on July 13, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
I'll stick my neck out now. There'll be no 5 in a row.
This was no do or die knock out game!
Dublin were matched if not bettered for most of the first 55 minutes.
They still won by 13 points.
Over all, I'm happy that Dublin keep on winning. A flukey Cork win is the last thing Gaelic football needs.
Thanks for your support. Your back must be in bits carrying around that chip on your shoulder.
At least Cork had a go tonight. That's the only way to beat Dublin. Scoreline wasnt a true reflection of the game and Hurley is a baller Dubs struggled to mark him all night.. Never seen Dublin struggle so much around midfield and McCarthy was badly missed.
Rock will start next week. Costello struggled and missed his frees. Getting Cooper back is important as well. Beat Roscommon and Tyrone game in Omagh is a dead rubber.
Will Mickey shorten the pitch again?? The last time he did it he refused to take the credit and tried to give tocredit to sky sports
I have to give your team support since most Dublin fans have given up going to see their financially doped team hammer nearly every team in 2nd gear. At this rate it will be hard to justify all the home games in Croke Park. I really hope their drive for 5 does not get derailed. The game needs Dublin not only to dominate but to obliterate.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 13, 2019, 09:51:05 PM
Well at least the Rossies get them at a neutral venue. Poor Cork had to face Dublin at home.
;D
The bashing has begun
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
That game changes everything. Tyrone cork massive now.
How does it change anything ? Dublin are going to win all three games in their group and also
go ahead to win the All Ireland.
f**k me you have surfaced
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 13, 2019, 11:29:49 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on July 13, 2019, 08:55:53 PM
That game changes everything. Tyrone cork massive now.
How does it change anything ? Dublin are going to win all three games in their group and also
go ahead to win the All Ireland.
Did you not enjoy Jack McCaffrey today?
Gives the best interviews of all the Dubs contingent too!
Story goes that Jack's Dad, ex-Dublin all star Dr Noel, refused to have a tv in the house when Jack was a kid!
Too tight to pay the licence fee,😁
Quote from: shantygael on July 13, 2019, 11:06:08 PM
The bashing has begun
If you are talking about Dublin beating all in front of them?......then yes it has!
I am not
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Quote from: shantygael on July 13, 2019, 11:06:08 PM
The bashing has begun
If you are talking about Dublin beating all in front of them?......then yes it has!
Even your bitter soul must have got some enjoyment out of that game tonight.. A rare treat were you had 2 teams actually go out and play attacking football and not the blanket defensive rubbish we have to watch normally.
Jack McCaffrey put on a show tonight. Scored a goal, great pass for Fenton's go and caused havoc eveeytime he got the ball with his direct running and electric pace
Are the Dublin public getting tired of watching this team? Seems the crowds are way down, 40K at Leinster final, 30K at this game. 5 years ago every game they played was full house or close to it.
It's beginning to kill the argument that the neutral game needs to be in CP to cater for the crowd, Thurles would be able to take a Dub/Ross game and maybe not sell out.
Quote from: dublin7 on July 14, 2019, 12:26:51 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 12:02:24 AM
Quote from: shantygael on July 13, 2019, 11:06:08 PM
The bashing has begun
If you are talking about Dublin beating all in front of them?......then yes it has!
Even your bitter soul must have got some enjoyment out of that game tonight.. A rare treat were you had 2 teams actually go out and play attacking football and not the blanket defensive rubbish we have to watch normally.
Jack McCaffrey put on a show tonight. Scored a goal, great pass for Fenton's go and caused havoc eveeytime he got the ball with his direct running and electric pace
You have me all wrong - I wan't Dublin to win! I cheered every Dublin Goal and every Cluxton save. Why would I want Cork to win? I'm being serious.
A wum if ever I seen one,😁
Quote from: Muck Savage on July 14, 2019, 12:47:27 AM
Are the Dublin public getting tired of watching this team? Seems the crowds are way down, 40K at Leinster final, 30K at this game. 5 years ago every game they played was full house or close to it.
It's beginning to kill the argument that the neutral game needs to be in CP to cater for the crowd, Thurles would be able to take a Dub/Ross game and maybe not sell out.
Short answer is yes as the last Dublin V Cork championship game in Croke Park had attendance of over 70,000.
I didn't get to see the RTE after match analysis (Brolly on there made me switch off) but I hope they were not patronising to Cork for getting within 13 points of Dublin
Dublin ARE beatable I believe. I haven't been blown away by their championship performances this year. They were only three up against Meath at half-time, scoring only five points in that half. Cork gave them a good game today. If a team can match them for fitness for seventy minutes, they can be beaten. Not easy to do that though.
Mayo and Donegal can give them a game of it. Not sure Tyrone have improved from last year, while Kerry are a bit young yet. Two interesting semi-finals to come anyway, whomever makes it.
Dublin are only playing in short spurts so far this year but when they get going they can put 2-3 on a team in a few minutes.
Could be wrong but I feel they are still only half fluting around at times. Can anyone take advantage of their lulls though?
Dublin scored 5-18 on a day when they supposedly didnt have a great performance
Who or when the hell has any team scored 5-18 in an All Ireland Quarter Final?!
Its crazy and the juggernaut seems almost impossible to stop
A team needs to get ahead of Dublin and stay ahead. They have to be mentally put under pressure to have any chance against them. The pace and fitness levels are unprecedented. Like there are players on EVERY line of the pitch driving and bursting past players, punching holes everywhere. How do you stop it?
Maybe Kerry or Donegal have the firepower to do it but it would take everything to go right and Dublin to be missfiring...hard to see at this stage! I was at the 2014 Semi where Donegal did it. Atmosphere was electric with the 2 Magees bullying O Gara and B Brogan and Ryan McHugh flying. The Dubs fans must miss an atmosphere like that, a contest. A contest is needed or else what is the point
Cork have improved bigtime. They didnt stop and i hope they give Tyrone a game....could be a cracker. Hurley is a beast. The Vikiing and Loughrey were impressive too
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 14, 2019, 01:17:28 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on July 14, 2019, 12:47:27 AM
Are the Dublin public getting tired of watching this team? Seems the crowds are way down, 40K at Leinster final, 30K at this game. 5 years ago every game they played was full house or close to it.
It's beginning to kill the argument that the neutral game needs to be in CP to cater for the crowd, Thurles would be able to take a Dub/Ross game and maybe not sell out.
Short answer is yes as the last Dublin V Cork championship game in Croke Park had attendance of over 70,000.
I didn't get to see the RTE after match analysis (Brolly on there made me switch off) but I hope they were not patronising to Cork for getting within 13 points of Dublin
Didn't watch it all but it was mentioned that it wasn't a 13 point game which I think is fair enough
Quote from: Gold on July 14, 2019, 08:05:46 AM
Dublin scored 5-18 on a day when they supposedly didnt have a great performance
Who or when the hell has any team scored 5-18 in an All Ireland Quarter Final?!
Its crazy and the juggernaut seems almost impossible to stop
A team needs to get ahead of Dublin and stay ahead. They have to be mentally put under pressure to have any chance against them. The pace and fitness levels are unprecedented. Like there are players on EVERY line of the pitch driving and bursting past players, punching holes everywhere. How do you stop it?
Maybe Kerry or Donegal have the firepower to do it but it would take everything to go right and Dublin to be missfiring...hard to see at this stage! I was at the 2014 Semi where Donegal did it. Atmosphere was electric with the 2 Magees bullying O Gara and B Brogan and Ryan McHugh flying. The Dubs fans must miss an atmosphere like that, a contest. A contest is needed or else what is the point
Cork have improved bigtime. They didnt stop and i hope they give Tyrone a game....could be a cracker. Hurley is a beast. The Vikiing and Loughrey were impressive too
We put 7-16 past kildare in 2015. Tyrone scored 4-24 v the rossies last year
Quote from: Muck Savage on July 14, 2019, 12:47:27 AM
Are the Dublin public getting tired of watching this team? Seems the crowds are way down, 40K at Leinster final, 30K at this game. 5 years ago every game they played was full house or close to it.
It's beginning to kill the argument that the neutral game needs to be in CP to cater for the crowd, Thurles would be able to take a Dub/Ross game and maybe not sell out.
Once Dublin get their new stadium with 25k capacity all the nonsense about the croke park neutral game will disappear. Most of their matches will be held at this new venue and it will be perfect for the crowd. Dublin have taken the game to a new level but they're not unbeatable. Cork showed that they have plenty of players who are mortal. Their best players are still the older ones along eith mccaffrey and fenton. They still rely on dean rock, mcauley, mccarthy etc all guys around the 30 mark. This golden age will end and I'm not convinced they have the quality coming through to replace these men.
Big scores are much more common in Gaelic football now. The pace of the game is higher than ever before and any mismatches in terms of fitness and/or tactics are generally ruthlessly exposed in a way they generally weren't in ye olde footballe. A couple of huge scores notched by Kerry and Tyrone in quarter-final games in recent years were mentioned above and are testament to that.
You see it in matches like Tyrone v Cavan and Kildare v Longford too. Winning margins across the board have the potential to be higher.
Tyrone knocked in 3-20 against Cork last year.
Kerry knocked in 3-19 in an All-Ireland semi-final in 2002 and nobody was calling them unbeatable.
Margins can be misleading. Roscommon v Tyrone yesterday was a four point hammering. Dublin v Cork was a 13 point thriller.
Dublin v Kerry in 2013 which is often thought to be the greatest match of all time ended with a seven point margin, yet Kerry could have won it, missing a sitter to go ahead after 69 minutes.
It was only in the last seven or eight minutes of last night's game that Dublin outlasted Cork for fitness. Cork threw the kitchen sink at Dublin in a way other teams recently have been afraid to.
They should count themselves very unlucky to have lost by 13 because no way were Dublin anything near 13 points a better team than them.
There are cracks appearing in Dublin. Several defenders are no longer top class (McMahon, O'Sullivan) or never were to begin with (Fitzsimons, Byrne), one of the first choice midfielders (McAuley) is well into his 30s and the forwards, while they are good, are not at the same genuine all time elite level that Flynn, Brogan and Connolly were at in their pomp.
The bench seems weaker too.
I expected Cork to give Dublin a good rattle but still lose by a considerable margin. That's what happened.
I believe four teams are capable of going toe to toe with them for the entire match. Dublin haven't had such a challenge since the 2017 final. They were better than than they are now, and they scraped over the line then by the skin of their collective teeth.
If Dublin do get over the line this year, that's how it'll be again. But at the moment I wouldn't be putting a huge amount of money on them even doing that.
In terms of whether they get a genuine semi-final challenge, a lot will depend on the fixture scheduling for the last round of Super 8 games.
Tyrone v Dublin will be a dead rubber, while Mayo v Donegal is unlikely to be. The GAA should ensure that that Mayo v Donegal game is on the Saturday rather than the Sunday.
If Dublin win their group after a dead rubber final match in Omagh, and then get a semi-final the following Saturday against a Mayo or Donegal team that has had to go full tilt the previous Sunday, there would be genuine cause for complaint.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
Big scores are much more common in Gaelic football now. The pace of the game is higher than ever before and any mismatches in terms of fitness and/or tactics are generally ruthlessly exposed in a way they generally weren't in ye olde footballe. A couple of huge scores notched by Kerry and Tyrone in quarter-final games in recent years were mentioned above and are testament to that.
You see it in matches like Tyrone v Cavan and Kildare v Longford too. Winning margins across the board have the potential to be higher.
Tyrone knocked in 3-20 against Cork last year.
Kerry knocked in 3-19 in an All-Ireland semi-final in 2002 and nobody was calling them unbeatable.
Margins can be misleading. Roscommon v Tyrone yesterday was a four point hammering. Dublin v Cork was a 13 point thriller.
Dublin v Kerry in 2013 which is often thought to be the greatest match of all time ended with a seven point margin, yet Kerry could have won it, missing a sitter to go ahead after 69 minutes.
It was only in the last seven or eight minutes of last night's game that Dublin outlasted Cork for fitness. Cork threw the kitchen sink at Dublin in a way other teams recently have been afraid to.
They should count themselves very unlucky to have lost by 13 because no way were Dublin anything near 13 points a better team than them.
There are cracks appearing in Dublin. Several defenders are no longer top class (McMahon, O'Sullivan) or never were to begin with (Fitzsimons, Byrne), one of the first choice midfielders (McAuley) is well into his 30s and the forwards, while they are good, are not at the same genuine all time elite level that Flynn, Brogan and Connolly were at in their pomp.
The bench seems weaker too.
I expected Cork to give Dublin a good rattle but still lose by a considerable margin. That's what happened.
I believe four teams are capable of going toe to toe with them for the entire match. Dublin haven't had such a challenge since the 2017 final. They were better than than they are now, and they scraped over the line then by the skin of their collective teeth.
If Dublin do get over the line this year, that's how it'll be again. But at the moment I wouldn't be putting a huge amount of money on them even doing that.
In terms of whether they get a genuine semi-final challenge, a lot will depend on the fixture scheduling for the last round of Super 8 games.
Tyrone v Dublin will be a dead rubber, while Mayo v Donegal is unlikely to be. The GAA should ensure that that Mayo v Donegal game is on the Saturday rather than the Sunday.
If Dublin win their group after a dead rubber final match in Omagh, and then get a semi-final the following Saturday against a Mayo or Donegal team that has had to go full tilt the previous Sunday, there would be genuine cause for complaint.
The system is seems totally unfair anyway.
Next weekend will be Mayo's sixth weekend on the trot, playing a match.
They already have had to leave the country twice, New York an NI , ( not to mention taking on the Animals in Killarney 😀) while Dublin just sit in their Ivory Tower.
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Yes ,but if Mayo ( or someone else ) come along and Dublin just get a narrow victory all will be well with the world again.
Fair dues to Cork for an honest and spirited display. The last five minutes in no way reflected on their very positive performance. I think that they're still in with genuine chance of progressing from this group.
Dublin still aren't the finished article yet this year and it remains to be seen what they might have in reserve.
I don't know if this mentioned already but the Dublin fans were a disgrace yesterday.
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 14, 2019, 10:10:47 AM
The system is seems totally unfair anyway.
Next weekend will be Mayo's sixth weekend on the trot, playing a match.
They already have had to leave the country twice, New York an NI , ( not to mention taking on the Animals in Killarney 😀) while Dublin just sit in their Ivory Tower.
Next weekend will be Mayo's fifth weekend in a row in action, not sixth
If you lose in your province I don't think you can have much complaint about such a situation
In fact playing several weeks in a row is often an advantage - Mayo are battle hardened going into today, while there are a lot of question marks about a non-battle hardened Kerry
"Ivory Tower" is the sort of rhetoric that really doesn't do the Dublin-haters any good at all
It was great to see a team take it to Dublin yesterday and it was a very good performance by Cork. It would be great if more teams could adopt this style of football.
From a Dublin perspective it was great to see Cooper (best defender), Murchan (best man marker) and McCarthy back from injury.
It does look as if Dublin are waiting for the last 3 games - Tyrone in Omagh and the semi-final/final to get the intensity levels up.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
The GAA used to have a football championship .
It's not the GAA's fault that Dublin has 1/4 of the population of the island
What was stupid was assuming that promoting the games wouldn't affect the All Ireland .
The vast majority of historic f**k ups were kicked off innocently.
Gavrilo Princip only wanted to hurt the Hapsburgs.
Brian Cowen only wanted to help the banks
The British in New England only wanted to raise some taxes.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/lin received almost €18million in game development grants between 2007 and 2018. Cork was the county that received the second largest amount, with €1.4m.
"That money is ringfenced solely for coaching and games development in Dublin," Dublin county board chief executive John Costello told RTÉ GAA correspondent Morrissey.
"We have 54 games promotion officers, we have three regional development officers, we have a hurling development officer and a football development officer.
Dublin are the best because allied to their natural advantage in terms of playing population, they work harder than at least 26 other teams
Ray Boyne was totally right when he said that yet he got nothing but dog's abuse for telling an uncomfortable truth
So many counties want success handed to them without having to work for it and you see that attitude reflected here to a huge degree
A few days ago New Zealand with their population of 4.79 million beat India with their population of 1.34 billion in the World Cup semi-final in Cricket
Croatia which has a population of 4.15 million people, reached the World Cup final last year, beating Russia with 144 million people and England with 55 miliion people
How on earth can such things happen, one wonders
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
The GAA hasn't found a way to promote football in the metro area without
destroying the All Ireland
Maybe the GAA could contract out management of the All Ireland to people who understand sport dynamics. That would free up the GAA to fight the war against soccer and rugby in suburbia .
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
The GAA hasn't found a way to promote football in the metro area without
destroying the All Ireland
Maybe the GAA could contract out management of the All Ireland to people who understand sport dynamics. That would free up the GAA to fight the war against soccer and rugby in suburbia .
Dublin's current dominance at senior level has little if anything to do with grass roots funding
Grass roots funding is about participation and community
That's supposed to be the definition of what the GAA is about
Just because a lot of people live in Dublin doesn't mean grass roots participation and community is any less important
In fact promotion of grass roots GAA and offering an attractive outlet for youngsters to get and stay fit and to develop friendships and life skills is probably more important in Dublin than anywhere else as there are so many other things that compete with GAA
Stephen Cluxton didn't emerge from a hothouse, neither did Jim Gavin, the Brogans, Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn, James McCarthy, Jack McCaffrey or anybody else
Dublin's record at minor level is very patchy, Kildare have had a considerable upper hand over Dublin at that level in recent years - Dublin have won one All-Ireland minor title since 1984
That proves that what's happening at grass roots is not the determining factor of what happens at senior inter-county level
While Dublin have a good record at u-21 level in the last decade, they're far from dominant
Counties need to look at why Dublin are jumping ahead to a lesser extent at u-21 level and to a greater extent at senior
The answer largely lies in superior coaching and a superior work ethic allied to the advantage in playing population
The county system was never designed to be fair - it was designed to create teams and competitions that create a sense of place and local rivalry, both at inter county and club level
Representative sport based on places with different populations is inherently unequal - it is in every sport
Yet Germany still play against Gibraltar or San Marino
Dublin will always be contenders but they will not always be dominant, this team will lose sooner or later and whoever beats them will dine out on it for the rest of their lives and be treated as heroes
Then people will wonder what all the fuss about Dublin's supposedly unprecedented dominance, which is in fact not unprecedented at all, was about
Quote from: Gold on July 14, 2019, 08:05:46 AM
Cork have improved bigtime. They didnt stop and i hope they give Tyrone a game....could be a cracker. Hurley is a beast. The Vikiing and Loughrey were impressive too
They have improved their forward play and are decent in midfield but they are awful defensively and a side as poor as that in defense are highly unlikely to give Tyrone a game in Croke Park, i foresee Tyrone scoring about 3-20 at least.
Dermo is BACK
And this time it's for real
Straight from Trash Talk's mouth
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 12:25:17 PM
Dermo is BACK
And this time it's for real
Straight from Trash Talk's mouth
Yeah Jim mentioned Dermo is back training with squad
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
Kilmacud Crokes have Adult teams in Division 1, 2, 5, 7, 8 and 10. That's 6 adult teams. Vincents have 4 Adult teams in Divisions 1,3,6 and 9. So when you talk of 90 clubs, these clubs are not like Junior Clubs in Mayo, Kerry, Galway or Donegal. Most of them are monsters.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
Kilmacud Crokes have Adult teams in Division 1, 2, 5, 7, 8 and 10. That's 6 adult teams. Vincents have 4 Adult teams in Divisions 1,3,6 and 9. So when you talk of 90 clubs, these clubs are not like Junior Clubs in Mayo, Kerry, Galway or Donegal. Most of them are monsters.
How does a match thread turn into funding. We already 9/10 threads on this 😂😂😂 FTB you must have having personal issues but Dublin gaa is not good for health. Watch mayo and Kerry or go to club game. More to live than obsessing about Kerry and the dubs.
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 12:25:17 PM
Dermo is BACK
And this time it's for real
Straight from Trash Talk's mouth
http://www.hoganstand.com/Dublin/Article/Index/301685
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
Stop these ridiculous lies, you are like the Brexiteers. You are only making fools of yourselves with this nonsense.
Let me repeat again.
People
do want to invest in grass roots in Dublin, although they want similar investment in Drogheda, Derry etc.
People
do not want that money to be used to create monster club and county teams that distort national competitions.
Dublin should have more than 90 clubs, divided into several counties.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on July 14, 2019, 11:25:03 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
The only thing that will stop the GAA pumping money into Dublin is a collapse in attendances.
They can't fund the project without gate receipts. Unfortunately for them the Super 8 is as lopsided as everything else. Sport without competition is a turn off for fans. RTÉ can't charge the same ad rates for matches people won't watch.
« Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. »
Flannery O'Connor
Yes, this is why I want Dublin to win and win and win. Attendances will die. Money will dry up and Headquarters will have no choice but to change the funding.
Cork beating Dublin would have been a disaster yesterday.
The darkest time is before dawn.
Change what funding
Dublin don't have an outsize number of Games Promotion Officers compared to other counties
Funding GPOs is the very definition of investing in the grass roots and communities
The grass roots in Dublin seems to be irrelevant to most country people, they would rather see clubs in Dublin die
That's a horribly sneering attitude
Dublin has around 90 clubs, it's not a massive amount relatively speaking
Kilmacud Crokes have Adult teams in Division 1, 2, 5, 7, 8 and 10. That's 6 adult teams. Vincents have 4 Adult teams in Divisions 1,3,6 and 9. So when you talk of 90 clubs, these clubs are not like Junior Clubs in Mayo, Kerry, Galway or Donegal. Most of them are monsters.
Most arent actually. There are far more junior clubs than superclubs. And Kilmacud until recently had the majority of a county to themselves.