Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

[RedHand88]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

It's not just Ireland where you'll find this curiosity. Go to Mongolia and you'll find Genghas khans head on money, bottles of alcohol etc, yet the man wiped out 10% of the entire human race.

[tiempo]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

It's not just Ireland where you'll find this curiosity. Go to Mongolia and you'll find Genghas khans head on money, bottles of alcohol etc, yet the man wiped out 10% of the entire human race.

Give GK a break, at least he was carbon neutral, has upwards of 20m descendents running amok in the world today

[general_lee]

General Lee.........Southern slave states....No similarities though.......

For me it says everything........

Dukes of hazzard fan but keep trying

[grounded]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

Yep, but to quote an old cliché ' history is written by the Victors '

Look at the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. Plenty of apologists for that including one or two on this forum i'd guess.
         

[RedHand88]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

It's not just Ireland where you'll find this curiosity. Go to Mongolia and you'll find Genghas khans head on money, bottles of alcohol etc, yet the man wiped out 10% of the entire human race.

Give GK a break, at least he was carbon neutral, has upwards of 20m descendents running amok in the world today

1 in every 200 men or something carry his Y chromosome, up to 1 in 10 in China.
He knew it wasn't for stirring tae with...

[Rossfan]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

Yep, but to quote an old cliché ' history is written by the Victors '

Look at the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. Plenty of apologists for that including one or two on this forum i'd guess.
         

You could say the same about Le Mon!

[Angelo]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

Yep, but to quote an old cliché ' history is written by the Victors '

Look at the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. Plenty of apologists for that including one or two on this forum i'd guess.
         

You could say the same about Le Mon!

Or sectarian purge by the Old IRA in Dunmanway.

[grounded]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

Yep, but to quote an old cliché ' history is written by the Victors '

Look at the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. Plenty of apologists for that including one or two on this forum i'd guess.
         

You could say the same about Le Mon!

Yep, you're right. That's my point. Milltown has it 100% right. All murder of civilians is morally wrong and should be condemned.
         Unfortunately thats not the way it works. Morally unforgiveable acts like Dresden were justified ' for the greater good ' and to limit the loss of allied troops. Ditto Horishima and Nagasaki.
         The allies won. They got to say what was morally justified. They got to call out the Nazis for the cruel bast@rds they were and rightly so.
       If the axis had of won the reverse would be true. The genocide they perpetrated against the Jewish, gypsy, Slavic and other peoples would have brushed under the carpet
       Whats the lesson? Might is right and don't be on the loosing side?

[Main Street]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

Yep, but to quote an old cliché ' history is written by the Victors '

Look at the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. Plenty of apologists for that including one or two on this forum i'd guess.
         

You could say the same about Le Mon!

Yep, you're right. That's my point. Milltown has it 100% right. All murder of civilians is morally wrong and should be condemned.
         Unfortunately thats not the way it works. Morally unforgiveable acts like Dresden were justified ' for the greater good ' and to limit the loss of allied troops. Ditto Horishima and Nagasaki.
         The allies won. They got to say what was morally justified. They got to call out the Nazis for the cruel bast@rds they were and rightly so.
       If the axis had of won the reverse would be true. The genocide they perpetrated against the Jewish, gypsy, Slavic and other peoples would have brushed under the carpet
       Whats the lesson? Might is right and don't be on the loosing side?

You all should brush up on your  understanding of WW2 history before offering glib references. But perhaps  that just exemplifies the  paucity of informed debate which burdens this thread 

The London  blitz bombing  was a failed tactic in WW2 to begin with and in the end  managed to achieve the opposite of what was intended . The carpet bombing of German cities did not work for the Allies cause either, it was an expression of the madness of Bomber Harris.  It had no effect on the outcome of WW2.  It was a total waste of human and material resources. There was no justification for Dresden and  there was no military positive benefit either.
WW2 was won in all the other theatres , nothing was achieved militarily  by carpet bombing of civilian areas.

[grounded]

Murder is murder. If a civilian dies outside of that then there is never justification.

It doesn't matter if it happened 20 years ago or 200 years ago. Anyone who feels that time will make it ok is a fool

Yep, but to quote an old cliché ' history is written by the Victors '

Look at the fire bombing of Dresden by the allies. Plenty of apologists for that including one or two on this forum i'd guess.
         

You could say the same about Le Mon!

Yep, you're right. That's my point. Milltown has it 100% right. All murder of civilians is morally wrong and should be condemned.
         Unfortunately thats not the way it works. Morally unforgiveable acts like Dresden were justified ' for the greater good ' and to limit the loss of allied troops. Ditto Horishima and Nagasaki.
         The allies won. They got to say what was morally justified. They got to call out the Nazis for the cruel bast@rds they were and rightly so.
       If the axis had of won the reverse would be true. The genocide they perpetrated against the Jewish, gypsy, Slavic and other peoples would have brushed under the carpet
       Whats the lesson? Might is right and don't be on the loosing side?

You all should brush up on your  understanding of WW2 history before offering glib references. But perhaps  that just exemplifies the  paucity of informed debate which burdens this thread 

The London  blitz bombing  was a failed tactic in WW2 to begin with and in the end  managed to achieve the opposite of what was intended . The carpet bombing of German cities did not work for the Allies cause either, it was an expression of the madness of Bomber Harris.  It had no effect on the outcome of WW2.  It was a total waste of human and material resources. There was no justification for Dresden and  there was no military positive benefit either.
WW2 was won in all the other theatres , nothing was achieved militarily  by carpet bombing of civilian areas.

I think you've missed the point.
      Perhaps you could help me brush up on my knowledge of ww2 by pointing out were any of the top brass in either of the British or Us Armed forces/government ever condemned the ' madness of bomber Harris ' as you put it?
         

[trailer]

I see Minister Murphy on TV yesterday asking for new taxes in NI. What is most scary is that he wouldn't look at the NICS and see one of the easiest ways to save money would be for at least 10% of the workforce to be made redundant. The NICS and our government here in general waste huge amounts of money every single year. Look at the schemes that they came up with, RHI for example. Look at the costs for this troubles pension... over 1.2 billion!!

I don't know what planet SF and Conor Murphy are on but raising taxes in NI unilaterally is f**king madness. Someone in SF needs to shout stop.

[Rossfan]

The Brits reducing their "laziness" subvention?

[trailer]

This is a taste of what's coming in the South. When they get into government at the next election, it'll be huge tax rises and new taxes all round.

[Louther]

This is a taste of what's coming in the South. When they get into government at the next election, it'll be huge tax rises and new taxes all round.

Ah, part of me would like to see them on power because it will be the last time as they'd not deliver and leave their base support who would vote them into power in a worse position. They pitching to workers now and getting support there but never commit to what their cut off point is for what they define as "working class" is. They'd hammer these with addition taxes and struggle to attract FDI.

On the flip side, I don't think they actually see themselves in power and happy to sit on fence and be in opposition. I'd imagine Mary Lou prays every night her thanks that they didn't run enough candidates the last time and look to form a government with what has happened with Covid since.

We don't have many great politicians in many parties or in Government, or rather have too many more interested in the political game, but SF have no depth at all bar 3/4 at top and rest are local councillors pushed up the line to contest seats that where won by party profile rather than individuals. Happens a lot in elections but can't see how they could run a ministry.

[Rossfan]

They know how to put ads in the papers anyway

https://www.rte.ie/news/us/2021/0310/1203044-sinn-fein-us-adverts/